Turkey transferred TRG-300 Kaplan systems to the border of the ATS: it can “shoot through” the entire province of Idlib

Turkey transferred TRG-300 Kaplan systems to the border of the ATS: it can “shoot through” the entire province of Idlib

The Turkish press continues to publish about the weapons that Ankara sends to Syria or to the borders of Syria. We are talking about weapons, with the help of which the support of the Syrian anti-government forces is actually carried out.


Turkish journalists report that the Turkish Armed Forces General Staff decided to deploy the ROKETSAN TRG-300 Kaplan multipurpose missile system. The system is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 120 km. This means that even when placing the Kaplan on the Turkish-Syrian border, the installation is capable of “shooting through” the entire territory of Idlib province - up to its southern borders.

Kaplan TRG-300 missiles are capable of hitting heavy armored vehicles, well-fortified and protected objects.

The mass of the TRG-300 Kaplan solid fuel rocket is 585 kg, the mass of the warhead is 105 kg. At the same time, a missile of such a complex can hardly be called high-precision. Deviation when hitting a target can be up to 50 m.

Recall that in the week from the position of the Turkish army, the militants launched an offensive in the areas of the CAA. The main vector of the offensive is the village of Nairab. Militants with the active support of Turkish troops broke through the defenses of the SAA in this area. From the complete breakthrough of the front and the further advancement of the militants, the Syrian army was saved by air support, which was provided by the Russian Air Force aircraft. At the same time, the Russian Su-24 bomber was attacked from the ground by militants - from the location of the so-called observation post of the Turkish army. The Russian pilot managed to take the plane away from a MANPADS missile and safely returned to the Khmeimim airfield.
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  1. Victor_B 22 February 2020 11: 34 New
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    With such accuracy they can, "inadvertently", slam our way.
    Passions run high ...
    The farther into the forest, the thicker the partisans ...
    1. figwam 22 February 2020 11: 49 New
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      Erdogan said by the end of February they will be ready.
    2. Sky strike fighter 22 February 2020 11: 50 New
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      Or else it will be interesting. Will the Turks begin the assault on Aleppo and what reaction will follow on our part? The Turks took Maaru. Map from the link below.
      On the morning of February 21, the large village of Maara was hit hard by Turkish artillery and MLRS. As a result of the shelling, the Syrian army advanced defense post was virtually destroyed. The Syrian military occupying the position suffered losses and were forced to retreat. The Khayyat Tahrir al-Sham militants quickly broke into the outskirts of Maar and, after a half-hour battle, took control of it.

      At the moment, a threat has arisen for the villages of Kafr-Khalab and Miznaz, located at strategically important heights. You can’t lose them, since this will open up the possibility for jihadists to break through to the M-5 Damascus-Aleppo highway.

      http://warsonline.info/novosti/novosti/siriia/idlib-aleppo210220-2.html
      1. protoss 22 February 2020 13: 06 New
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        I wonder if the Turks will begin the assault on Aleppo

        if they go to a serious exchange with saa, then they do not need Aleppo, but Latakia. several gifts, such as photographs, at administrative and military facilities in the city, and tens of thousands of local residents, will be broken under the protection of Tartus and Himeim. Considering that the Alavites and others loyal asad gathered in this region throughout the war, the region is very crowded there. the game "drive refugees to the enemy" can be played together.
      2. signifera 22 February 2020 13: 28 New
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        The village of Maraa was not considered under the control of the SAA. As early as February 16.02, there is information that he is under the control of militants, there may have been an attempt to storm, but he was not released. Since then, information about the capture has not been confirmed. So something is wrong in the news from the link.
        1. serzh.kost 22 February 2020 13: 47 New
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          all right. this is called wishful thinking by Turkish fanboys.
      3. Tzar 22 February 2020 13: 58 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        I wonder if the Turks will begin the assault on Aleppo

        Quote: figvam
        Erdogan said by the end of February they will be ready.

        Quote: protoss
        if they go to a serious exchange with saa, then they do not need Aleppo, but Latakia.

        Something you guys dream about lol
      4. basiljour 23 February 2020 16: 53 New
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        "They will begin the assault" or enter Aleppo, it is necessary to formulate more precisely.
    3. svp67 22 February 2020 14: 25 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      With such accuracy they can, "inadvertently", slam our way.

      We have something to stop her ... and in which case to answer ..., and most importantly, our answer will be more impressive
  2. Dave36 22 February 2020 11: 34 New
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    Everything is as always - if you want peace - get ready for war!
  3. cokol-xnumx 22 February 2020 11: 37 New
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    convey the point-y assad for parity
    1. SanSanych Gusev 22 February 2020 11: 40 New
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      Then Iskander
      1. Victor_B 22 February 2020 11: 45 New
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        Quote: SanSanych Gusev
        Then Iskander

        They wanted, even a contract was (about 10 years ago, maybe under Medvedev), but the Jewish brothers did very much ask and Assad remained as a sucker, without Iskanders.
        Then, it seems, and with the MiG-31 it was broken off.
        1. dzvero 22 February 2020 12: 08 New
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          But why Assad need a Mig-31? He has almost nowhere to turn around there, especially if they place him near Damascus. Better Su-27 would ask at that time.
    2. Livonetc 22 February 2020 11: 41 New
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      They have points and they are periodically applied.
      Is that replenish the stock.
      And this is most likely being implemented.
    3. Sergei 777 22 February 2020 11: 41 New
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      Assad has Points-U
    4. cniza 22 February 2020 11: 42 New
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      They are already there.
    5. loki565 22 February 2020 12: 34 New
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      Point U is just how they will push it, if real-time reconnaissance data are needed.
    6. Grits 22 February 2020 14: 09 New
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      Quote: cokol-161
      convey the point-y assad for parity

      So he has them anyway.
  4. Mountain shooter 22 February 2020 11: 44 New
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    Well, then what will hinder the videoconferencing, or something else useful - “attach” these inadequate?
    1. Cube123 22 February 2020 11: 52 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Well, then what will hinder the videoconferencing, or something else useful - “attach” these inadequate?

      A blow to Turkey can be regarded as aggression against a NATO member country, and then in accordance with paragraph 5 of the Charter ... In Syrian territory, you can "wet", and in Turkey no
      1. Evil543 22 February 2020 11: 54 New
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        And Turkey’s blow to the territory of Syria, and partial occupation, is that what you think?
        1. Cube123 22 February 2020 11: 57 New
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          This is not spelled out in the Charter. And it has already been announced that other NATO countries will not help Turkey, because her legal position in this matter is far from faulty.
      2. Mountain shooter 22 February 2020 12: 02 New
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        Quote: Cube123
        A blow to Turkey can be regarded as aggression against a NATO member country, and then in accordance with paragraph 5 of the Charter ..

        And what about the blow from the territory of Turkey to an independent state? NATO will not fit in for the Turks ...
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      4. Grits 22 February 2020 14: 12 New
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        Quote: Cube123
        A blow to Turkey can be regarded as aggression against a NATO member country, and then in accordance with paragraph 5 of the Charter ... In Syrian territory, you can "wet", and in Turkey

        Strange logic. If you shoot Syria from Turkish territory, this is normal.
        And if from the Syrian to Turkey - this is aggression.
        I think that our military already needs to warn these gunners, potential suicide bombers, in advance that an attack from abroad can be regarded in the same way - aggression. And entails adequate measures.
      5. Wanderer039 22 February 2020 22: 09 New
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        Read carefully paragraph 5 of the NATO charter .. 3 military instructors can be sent as assistance, or political support is simply provided, there are no obligations to send the army ...
    2. Sky strike fighter 22 February 2020 12: 02 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Well, then what will hinder the videoconferencing, or something else useful - “attach” these inadequate?

      The balance of power in the region at a given time.
      The strength and resources of only one 7th army corps of Turkey (headquarters - the city of Diyarbakir), which is responsible for most of the border provinces with Syria, Iraq and Iran, is enough to crush the Syrian army of Bashar al-Assad. Recall that only this operational-tactical association includes the 3rd Infantry Division, the 20th and 172nd Armored Brigades, the 16th and 70th Mechanized Brigades, the 2nd and 6th Motorized Infantry Brigades, the 2nd, 34th, 48th Border Brigades , 3rd commando brigade, 5th commando mountain brigade.

      https://m.gazeta.ru/army/2020/02/21/12970135.shtml
      1. kventinasd 22 February 2020 14: 59 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        The strength and resources of only one 7th army corps of Turkey (headquarters - the city of Diyarbakir), which is responsible for most of the border provinces with Syria, Iraq and Iran, is enough to crush the Syrian army

        If cho, then the four Su34 will quickly cool the fervor of the entire 7th corps and not only. And if they also give them a light in caliber, then the Turks will clearly decrease their desire to do something at all in Syria.
    3. Ratmir_Ryazan 22 February 2020 12: 06 New
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      That they can fire from the territory of Turkey.

      This is an analogue of our MLRS Smerch or Tornado-S.

      Our MLRS has an adjustable munition.
      1. Sky strike fighter 22 February 2020 13: 46 New
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        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        That they can fire from the territory of Turkey.

        This is an analogue of our MLRS Smerch or Tornado-S.

        Our MLRS has an adjustable munition.

        An analogue of our Tornado-S in Turkey is the MLRS T-300 Kasirga. Below is a link to the video of the deployment of this system.
        The Turkish Armed Forces deployed T-300 Kasirga ("Hurricane") multiple launch rocket launchers (MLRS) in Idlib. Personnel with vehicles passing through Idlib were shown by IHA.


        "Hurricane" - the most powerful and long-range MLRS of the Turkish army. The caliber of the system is 302 mm, the firing range is up to 100 kilometers. Kasirga is designed to strike at targets located deep in the enemy’s defense, including military bases, troop concentrations, missile launchers, airports and transport hubs, and administrative and industrial centers.

        https://news.rambler.ru/army/43719644-turtsiya-razvernula-v-idlibe-dalnoboynyy-uragan/
      2. Grits 22 February 2020 14: 14 New
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        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Our MLRS has an adjustable munition.

        Only there is not our MLRS
        1. kventinasd 22 February 2020 15: 03 New
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          Quote: Gritsa
          Only there is not our MLRS

          So it will be soon
          1. Grits 22 February 2020 15: 16 New
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            Quote: kventinasd
            So it will be soon

            Your words would be da Shoigu in your ears.
  5. faterdom 22 February 2020 11: 48 New
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    On this garbage "Gauges" have to spend. Only here, not two Turkish askers will go home in a day.
  6. rotmistr60 22 February 2020 11: 49 New
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    Awesome (according to Erdogan), the rattling of weapons is more aimed at Russia than at Assad. As a result, there will still be a missile defense for each missile.
    1. donavi49 22 February 2020 11: 57 New
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      Well, it makes sense to beat because of the ribbon. If the anti-missile flies in place - then "Assault on a NATO member, point 5, treacherous aggression by Assad! Damascus in response to all NATO!"
      1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 12: 13 New
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        It is necessary to appease the Kurds with weapons, let NATO fight with them)))
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan 22 February 2020 13: 01 New
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          It is necessary to appease the Kurds with weapons, let NATO fight with them)))


          And the Kurds, who are eager to fight with Turkey, or are they lacking American weapons ?!
          1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 13: 18 New
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            No, of course, mashlyk go to each other for barbecue
      2. Wanderer039 22 February 2020 22: 17 New
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        Point 5 does not oblige to send armies ... They may limit themselves to sending 2 military instructors, or political support ... There are no bad people to die under the blows of the Strategic Missile Forces in the EU ... and the United States will not risk
    2. novel66 22 February 2020 12: 03 New
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      not rockets should be hit
  7. Boar38 22 February 2020 12: 01 New
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    Well, if they shoot from the territory of Turkey on the territory of Syria, then the Syrians can respond on the territory of Turkey, and if Turkey strikes at parts of the Russian Federation, then the Russian Federation has every right to launch a missile strike at any Turkish military base, or ammunition depot, regardless of ,Where is he located...
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan 22 February 2020 13: 06 New
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      Firstly, Syria does not have the strength to respond to Turkey or Israel with attacks on their territory, and secondly, they will present any retaliatory strike as an attack and use it as an excuse for an invasion.

      When planning operations for stripping Idlib, you just need to consider the presence of MLRS in Turkey and its capabilities.
      1. Wanderer039 22 February 2020 22: 18 New
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        And who will go to fight for Turkey ?! Who exactly? Greece generally hates the Turks, and the Germans also do not like ...
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan 23 February 2020 10: 00 New
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          And who will go to fight for Turkey ?! Who exactly?


          The Turks will go - the population of Turkey: 83 154 997 people. (2020)

          Syria - population: 18 499 181 people. (2019)
          1. Sapsan136 24 February 2020 00: 59 New
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            Well, let's say, but in Syria the base of the Russian Federation, and what happens for the murder of Russian soldiers, can be asked by Saakashvili ... Of course, the Turks and their satellites from the Caucasus are already shouting that Turkey is not like Chechnya, not Georgia and not Ukraine, but X- 22 The storm for these screams EVERYTHING is equal, from the word completely ... They were made to destroy the cruisers and aircraft carriers by the Yankees, the Turks have nothing of the kind and do not have close ..
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan 24 February 2020 09: 12 New
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              Well, let's say, but in Syria the base of the Russian Federation


              When Georgians in Abkhazia slaughtered Abkhazians, Armenians and Russians as whole villages, there were also Russian bases, only they remained neutral, no one attacked Russian bases and Russia was not directly involved in this conflict.

              X-22 missiles The storm to these screams EVERYTHING IS EQUAL, from the word completely


              Are you going to shoot anti-ship missiles at the Turkish infantry infantry fighting vehicles and tanks? Turkey and Syria will fight on land, but Turkey also has a fleet with Harpoon anti-ship missiles, as well as 13 more submarines that can also carry Harpoon anti-ship missiles.
              1. Sapsan136 24 February 2020 11: 27 New
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                Then the drunk Yeltsin was in power, the army was regularly ruined and dishonored in Chechnya, releasing bandits from boilers to please the United States ... Russia was close to the start of a civil war .. They said about the army that it was better to serve than to serve ... Want to return all of this ?!! ... The RCC serves to destroy surface ships and the coastal zone (weapons, fuel stores, etc. in coastal areas, at naval bases) .. A harpoon is a subsonic missile whose homing head is worse than that of the X-35 Uran and a range of less than 300 km ...
    2. tekinoral 22 February 2020 14: 12 New
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      And that Israel is not answered?
      1. serzh.kost 22 February 2020 14: 39 New
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        and what, Israel staggers Syrian statehood, claims to be a piece of land, supplies terrorists? well, except for the Golan, but there’s a long history. they gave the Syrian-Israeli border without any problems.
        Israel makes certain concessions, which is perceived as weakness. but in another case, swinging at several fronts by the Syrians and Russians now would not be very ...
  8. Klingon 22 February 2020 12: 01 New
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    Quote: Victor_B
    Quote: SanSanych Gusev
    Then Iskander

    They wanted, even a contract was (about 10 years ago, maybe under Medvedev), but the Jewish brothers did very much ask and Assad remained as a sucker, without Iskanders.
    Then, it seems, and with the MiG-31 it was broken off.

    and who is here minus all mentioned Point and Iskander? God’s chosen, who else but them wassat
    1. Vladimir_6 22 February 2020 13: 55 New
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      Quote: Klingon
      and who is here minus all mentioned Point and Iskander? God’s chosen, who else but them

      Unlikely. The "God-chosen" have a personal interest in wishing the victory of Russia.
      The Jews would even take an active part on our side.
      They have the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, on the Temple Mount, like a thorn in the eye. Everything is ready for the meeting of the Messiah, but in place of the Holy of Holies is a mosque. The destruction of Turkey would contribute to solving this problem. Israel cannot beat the Turks on their own, so they expect Russia to do this.
      And probably the minus group of support for Russian-speaking Turks minus all.
  9. Thrifty 22 February 2020 12: 11 New
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    Everything is numbed by the sultanoid, the corona rubbed the diaphragm?
  10. TatarinSSSR 22 February 2020 12: 14 New
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    Russian combat aircraft are actually fired at from Turkish military checkpoints, and Russia is silent in a rag. And no response. That's honestly, how tired of all the pathos boastful statements about the Russian army against the background of such behavior. Soon no one will respect the Russian military at all - for everyone sees that you can beat the Russians. With impunity.
    1. Sky strike fighter 22 February 2020 12: 35 New
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      This is not entirely true.
      On the Web, footage appeared yesterday of the use of MANPADS on the Russian Su-24 from the territory near the Turkish post of Kminas, east of Idlib.


      It was this incident that led to the deaths of two Turkish troops, according to the Syrian media. Later, the Russian Aerospace Forces worked at the Turkish post in Kminas in response to an attempt to bring down their plane.

      http://in24.org/world/38702
      1. TatarinSSSR 22 February 2020 13: 33 New
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        Here you have the link. Type confirmation of a response attack of the Russian Aerospace Forces against the Turks. That's just nothing there is not on this link. There about the same as in this article. And again - there is a video of launching a rocket on an airplane. And there you can see the Turkish military. This is an actual confirmation. And where is the blow to this block of the post of the Russian air forces on your link? Not. And no video. Nothing but chatter and speculation. The fact that they are actively neglecting for truth and justified criticism in the comments is known to everyone, even in the RT there was an entire article on such "communities of urapatriots" as in VO. So I'm not interested in this at all. Minus one. From this, the rating and respect of the Russian toothless army in Syria will not increase. Russian planes and helicopters shoot down everyone there - Turks, Syrians, militants, they kill military advisers and commandos, and Americans, Turks, Israelis - throw rockets, bomb and cover the MLRS and the artillery of the Russian ally - the Syrian army, push them off the road Russian military police, who love to drive along the sidelines, are not allowed on the roads of Syria, blocking the passage - but you minus, minus. At least you get it.
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan 22 February 2020 13: 18 New
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      Soon no one will respect the Russian military at all - for everyone sees that you can beat the Russians. With impunity.


      The video of the destruction of Turkish armored vehicles today on this resource has been published, take a look and do not carry nonsense anymore !!!
      1. TatarinSSSR 22 February 2020 13: 37 New
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        Do not lie. TURKISH armored vehicles were not destroyed there. There was a blow to the armored vehicles of the militants, which the Turkish military passed to them. Do not give out wishful thinking. How many of these liar minusers are you on the site? I guess that a lot. The gang sitting here about 5-7 years, conspiring in PM and minus all adequate.
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan 22 February 2020 13: 48 New
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          Do not lie. TURKISH armored vehicles were not destroyed there. There was a blow to the armored vehicles of the militants, which the Turkish military passed to them. Do not give out wishful thinking.


          And where are the losses among the Turkish troops?

          The gang sitting here about 5-7 years, conspiring in PM and minus all adequate.


          Yes, this is exactly what we are doing)))
    3. Grits 22 February 2020 14: 24 New
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      Quote: TatarinSSSR
      That's honestly, how tired of all the pathos boastful statements about the Russian army against the background of such behavior. Soon, no one will respect the Russian military at all - for everyone sees that the Russians can

      But at the Parade how beautiful they will go. Proud of grandfathers victories, of course, easier than their own.
      1. TatarinSSSR 22 February 2020 14: 40 New
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        At the Parade there is no one to push them to the sidelines))
    4. Wanderer039 22 February 2020 22: 20 New
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      Watch the video on which the Russian Aerospace Forces demolished 15 M60 Sabra tanks into pieces and do not write stupid things ... You are not a Tatar, people think in Kazan ... You can’t transfer a tank to the first goat security you meet, they need to be able to drive, there’s electronics ... Turkish crews , do not go to the fortuneteller ...
  11. aszzz888 22 February 2020 12: 41 New
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    Today, Erdogan called the Darkest, Idlib had a conversation. They decided to conduct "intensive negotiations" with our side and the Turks. We will see. Time is playing on us.
    1. serzh.kost 22 February 2020 12: 51 New
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      the way the barmaleis are recycled yesterday and today suggests that everything is going according to plan smile
  12. gig334 22 February 2020 12: 50 New
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    This is not very good, they want to beat from their territory.
  13. Shahno 22 February 2020 12: 50 New
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    Quote: McLarenFly
    yes sho you speak? that is, the VKS will hit the Turkish army? then what will prevent Turkey from striking at Hmeimim, which is next to them?

    Erdogan drove himself into a trap. It happens ... It's hard to say why. I think maybe his team is inferior in strat.planning leading players?
    1. protoss 22 February 2020 12: 57 New
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      so far, Erdogan has come out of all the "traps" with a profit. at the same time, he often put cunning strategists in an uncomfortable position. so he’s doing well with the team.
      1. Salty 22 February 2020 19: 25 New
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        Quote: protoss
        so far, erdogan has come out of all the "traps" with a profit

        If possible, give at least one (better, of course, more) example of a trap from which Erdogan came out with a profit. And the size of the profit, at least approximately. Otherwise, very la-la reminds, sorry.
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          the brightest is the coup, do you need to chew?
          1. Salty 22 February 2020 19: 31 New
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            Quote: protoss
            the brightest is the coup

            Soooo ... and what is the profit?

            Quote: protoss
            need to chew?

            Mandatory. Only reduce the incandescence, we are not enemies with you yet ... Well, another example is less striking, but where did he put cunning strategists in an uncomfortable position? If not difficult.
            1. protoss 22 February 2020 19: 44 New
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              Quote: SaltY
              Only reduce the intensity, we are not enemies with you yet ...

              didn't like your
              very la la reminds

              now in essence: profit - the destruction of the main threat to its (and all previous prime ministers) power in the form of a politically independent army leadership. well, there were economic buns like taking property from the “Gulenists” in favor of the right “Erdoganists”.
              an example of the latter is entering the delivery area to create a “security zone”. Trump, it seemed to me, was not very convenient.
              1. Salty 22 February 2020 20: 04 New
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                Clear. But, you must admit, this is still a kind of intra-Turkish brawl. At the level of Old Man Luke, who "peretrahivat all." It doesn’t attract a serious trap, as it seems to me.

                Quote: protoss
                an example of the latter - the entrance to the birth

                And this story is also very reminiscent of a story about fierce battles for the forester's hut ... not enough, this is somehow for a serious Victoria))
                1. protoss 22 February 2020 22: 03 New
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                  comparison with Belarus is funny. you, apparently, have little idea of ​​the Turkish political system. this is Erdogan’s main victory, even if he had seized Syria with Iraq this would have been a lesser matter than how he redrawed the intra-Turkish affairs.
                  I agree about the hut of the forester in the erysipelas, well, now is not the time of the Tamerlane, when the kingdoms were overthrown and built pyramids from their heads.
                  1. Salty 22 February 2020 22: 06 New
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                    Quote: protoss
                    this is the main victory of Erdogan

                    Yes, and the dog would be with him. I've been waiting for you when you’re talking about tomatoes;)
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                      what about tomatoes? I love tomatoes both in salad and solo, and fresh and pickled.
                      1. Salty 22 February 2020 22: 09 New
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                        Quote: protoss
                        what about tomatoes?

                        I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about those with which Erdogan, according to a widely held opinion in narrow circles, "got off")))
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                        got off his counterparts in the Kremlin with tomatoes. IMHO, the situation looked like this: we went into a rage in Syria and stopped noticing the borders of Turkey, the Turks pulled us through the ambassador as much as they could, then we landed our UAV over our territory, it did not help. I had to bring down the dryer. here hysteria began on our side, the Turks in response, they say, let's live together. we: and we sanction you, they: but we don’t. we have a whole PR campaign, they are more or less calm. in the end, everything came to the originally voiced “let us live together” from Ankara, without any apology, but with an expression of regret about the incident, which incidentally was from the very beginning. how much they translated and what absurdities we didn’t go to show that it was a direct apology so an apology (I remember the topic, the Turkish language does not have the word “sorry”, which is why Erdogan had to write so in a letter, it was funny). but Regge did not need a humiliated Vova, why? Relations restored, page turned. therefore, the “tomato victory” was left to Vova (although for Turkey it’s about nothing, the price of the issue is 250 million dollars per year). The Turkish Ministry of Agriculture played along in the play, showing how much they needed our tomato stalls. and the wolves are full and the sheep are whole. a curtain.
                      3. Salty 22 February 2020 22: 40 New
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                        The original interpretation, I have not heard this, I admit. I drew attention to this:

                        Quote: protoss
                        here hysteria began on our side, the Turks in response, they say, let's live together. we: and we sanction you, they: but we don’t. we have a whole PR campaign, they are more or less calm. in the end, everything came to the originally voiced from Ankara "let's live together"

                        Tell me, does the fact that now the Turks actually survive from the same "forester's hut" (well, you understand) also fit into the concept of "living together"?
                      4. protoss 22 February 2020 22: 42 New
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                        Now it looks like take 2, we went into a rage ...
                        history develops in a spiral
                      5. Salty 22 February 2020 22: 49 New
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                        Quote: protoss
                        Now it looks like take 2, we went into a rage ...
                        history develops in a spiral

                        How will it end? What is your forecast? ;)
                      6. protoss 23 February 2020 14: 47 New
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                        so it will end the same campaign, no one learns from mistakes
  • Grits 22 February 2020 14: 28 New
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    Erdogan himself trapped in a zag

    Is that how he drove himself into a trap?
    The trap will be in Khmeimim when Erdogan closes the straits.
    1. kventinasd 22 February 2020 15: 12 New
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      And who will allow him to close them, his own stupidity?
      1. protoss 22 February 2020 19: 35 New
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        Quote: kventinasd
        who will let him close them

        Art. 6 and 21 of the Montreux Convention
        1. Wanderer039 22 February 2020 22: 28 New
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          To close something, you need to have the strength to do it, and the recent flight over the Black Sea Tu-22M3 with the supersonic anti-ship missiles X-22 Storm, designed to destroy cruisers and aircraft carriers from a long distance, clearly shows what the Turkish fleet is waiting for ... Yes, and the Greeks immediately take advantage of the weakness of Turkey and take over the whole of Cyprus ...
          1. protoss 22 February 2020 22: 36 New
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            damn, with what fright do you have planes and cruisers here? This is a purely administrative matter. Turks declare points of such and such in accordance with the convention, inform signatories. all those who disagree can challenge the procedure. entrance to the straits of yoks, pilotage of yoks.
            1. Wanderer039 23 February 2020 00: 35 New
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              According to the Montreux convention, Turkey has the right to close the straits only in case of war ... By the way, the Russian Federation has more than enough reasons for declaring war on Turkey, from Turkish support for bandits in Chechnya to dead Russians in Syria ... One missile strike from the Russian Federation and Turkey KAYUK. ..
              1. protoss 23 February 2020 00: 37 New
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                read the document, it is freely available.
                1. Wanderer039 23 February 2020 00: 44 New
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                  Read the technical specifications of military equipment and missiles of the Russian Federation before threatening the Russian Federation with museum M48A2S, with which Turkey will be forced to arm reservists in the event of a war with the Russian Federation ... This trash has no chance against the T-72B, and even against the T-90 ... By the way, in Syria, the Russian Aerospace Forces today with targeted bombing burned about 15 Turkish M60s Sabra and Turkey lost
                  1. protoss 23 February 2020 14: 41 New
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                    yes there are 15, no less than 150.
                    and about the performance characteristics of the missiles, then I will sing kiselev and nightingale regularly on tv, threatening tomatoes.
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                      You know, there is a joke on this subject ... A Ukrainian is asked - With whom are you fighting in the Donbass? - With the Russian army ...- Why don't you fight for the Crimea? - In the Crimea, the Russian army ...- So you say that the Russian army is also in the Donbass ?! - So about the fact that we are talking about the Russian army in the Donbass, but in the Crimea it really is ... This is a word about Kiselev and your Ukrainian media ...
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                      another telezombie?
                      the fact that my portrait of Putin does not hang over my bed does not automatically make me a Ukrainian or an agent of the State Department.
                      so with ukrosi did not guess at all.
  • Shahno 22 February 2020 13: 01 New
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    so far, Erdogan has come out of all the "traps" with a profit. at the same time, he often put cunning strategists in an uncomfortable position. so he’s doing well with the team.

    Not clear goals. The Ottoman Empire cannot be restored; NATO cannot be withdrawn. Although, as an option, let off steam in the external arena to contain internal threats (personally, I clearly do not see them).
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      why would you understand their goals? Do you understand ours? I here - no.
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      Not clear goals

      In my opinion, the goal was obvious, to participate in the partition of Syria.
  • Shahno 22 February 2020 13: 19 New
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    why would you understand their goals? Do you understand ours? I here - no.

    Yes, actually I'm talking about the same thing. If we cannot understand the goals, then this is just a mess.
    I mean, at least there should be a sense in the actions of the state. figure. Clear and useful (for his country) .. And he should be clear and accessible to those whom he represents. Not this way? Do you have a different understanding?
  • Amateur 22 February 2020 13: 37 New
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    The Turkish press continues to make publications about the weapons that Ankara sends to Syria or to the borders of Syria.


    And God forbid you do not read before dinner Soviet Turkish newspapers
  • Shahno 22 February 2020 14: 05 New
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    and who is here minus all mentioned Point and Iskander? God’s chosen, who else but them

    Unlikely. The "God-chosen" have a personal interest in wishing the victory of Russia.
    The Jews would even take an active part on our side.
    They have the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, on the Temple Mount, like a thorn in the eye. Everything is ready for the meeting of the Messiah, but in place of the Holy of Holies is a mosque. The destruction of Turkey would contribute to solving this problem. Israel cannot beat the Turks on their own, so they expect Russia to do this.
    And probably the minus group of support for Russian-speaking Turks minus all.

    // Israel cannot beat the Turks on their own, so they expect Russia to do it.
    And defeat them with our might. But why. We need peace ...
    And yet, they are listening to the states and the Russians.
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      // Israel cannot beat the Turks on their own, so they expect Russia to do it.
      And defeat them with our might.

      I will not dissuade you. As a patriot of Israel, you should think so. But if, after the downed SU-24 and the assassination of Ambassador Karlov, Russia defeated Turkey, then for Israel it would be a gift.
      We need peace ...

      Peaceful citizens of Israel - yes.
      But your Sanhedrin needs to solve the problem of the demolition of the mosque, and you will not agree with Turkey peacefully.
      "It should be noted that a significant part of the instructions of the Old Testament law of Moses required sacrifices from the Jews, which could only be offered in the Jerusalem temple, in the Holy of Holies of which the Ark of the Covenant was kept ... it was destroyed, and since then the Jews lost the opportunity to offer sacrifices, then there’s even a formal, Pharisee way to obey the Mosaic Law. With the destruction of the temple, we can say that they lost their religion, so today all their forces are aimed at building a new temple. "
      Maybe it will do without war. For example, an earthquake or meteorite will fall on a mosque when the time is right for this event.
  • Shahno 22 February 2020 14: 44 New
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    Honestly already. This is a story with cons starting to strain. I stood calmly for 500 minutes. But ... I'm annoying ... The game dragged on.
    Ps. Well, I would understand. 6 cons and 6 comments against.
    1. Vitaly gusin 22 February 2020 15: 38 New
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      Ps. Well, I would understand. 6 cons and 6 comments against.

      I went to the admins several times.
      Do not count cons without comments and minus those who put them. And then it is very easy to see who is in the VO for a specific purpose. And those who cannot express their point will very soon leave VO. But, for some reason, my proposal was not accepted.
    2. Vladimir_6 22 February 2020 21: 25 New
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      Honestly already. This is a story with cons starting to strain. I stood calmly for 500 minutes. But ... I'm annoying ... The game dragged on.
      Ps. Well, I would understand. 6 cons and 6 comments against.

      Today, everyone is minded mercilessly. Mostly incognito. hi
  • iouris 22 February 2020 15: 28 New
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    I wonder how this Su-24 pilot could have dodged. Most likely, the plane was simply beyond the reach of MANPADS.
  • Ros 56 22 February 2020 17: 20 New
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    And Idlib province which side of the Turks concerns that Eric opened the Ottoman mittens and yells like a victim. After all, for a downed plane over foreign territory, you can lose your mustache and something else, right up to the head, here you can’t do with tomatoes.
  • Ivan Osipov_2 22 February 2020 20: 35 New
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    It will be on anyone to try the x-101, electronic warfare, electronic warfare, air defense, naval, navy, and systems of the above.
  • Chingachguk 22 February 2020 20: 44 New
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    Judging by the press, according to the news, one step remained before the war with Turkey. But listen to the statements and comments of the most important people, after they communicate with each other, as if nothing terrible is happening ..... I still think that at our level of competence, we don’t know much about what is actually happening there ..... I, too, am inclined to believe that the Turks are not so sick on the head that they would seriously engage with Russia ... I think if this were to be done, Russia would pull up a couple of boats to support her beloved in this region, and there who knows, maybe the Russian submarines are already roaming around nearby)))))
  • LomKuvaldych 22 February 2020 22: 17 New
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    So Putin substitutes Russia. Erdogan will do what he wants and nothing will happen to him. Maybe even bomb our bases. At such a distance from Russia, we will not be able to protect our bases. And Putin will again threaten tomatoes.
    1. Salty 22 February 2020 22: 20 New
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      And Putin will again threaten tomatoes

      Their own. Minus.
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        Minus or plus - who cares. The fact is that Russian bases in Syria are targets. They will fight back until there is enough ammunition, and then they will die, and Putin will pretend that nothing happened.
        1. Salty 22 February 2020 22: 26 New
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          Russian bases in Syria are targets. They will perish

          That is unlikely.