Kurds want to have a single state: is it really so

Kurds want to have a single state: is it really so

Iraqi Kurdistan Prime Minister Masrour Barzani met with Pope Francis on Wednesday in the Vatican and handed him fragments of an ancient Bible burned by Islamic State militants (banned in Russia) in Iraq, news agencies reported.


Unrecognized country


Premier Barzani later wrote on his Twitter page: “We discussed many regional and global issues, including our common belief in dialogue between different faiths, as a way to promote tolerance and reduce the threat of extremism.”

This meeting was another attempt by the authorities of Iraqi Kurdistan (it is also called Southern Kurdistan) to achieve world recognition of the independence of their state. According to the Iraqi constitution, since 2005, it has had the status of broad autonomy with the capital in Erbil as part of this country.

In the fall of 2017, the outgoing autonomy president, Masud Barzani, held a referendum.

The question on it was formulated as follows: “Do you want the Kurdistan region and Kurdish lands outside the region to become an independent state?” 92,73% voted in favor of the independence of Kurdistan. The central government of Iraq did not recognize the results of the referendum.

The neighboring countries, supporting Baghdad, blocked their borders with autonomy. Western states also did not support the Kurds. Soon, Iraqi forces launched an operation in Kirkuk and its environs, which during the war against the Islamic State banned in Russia terrorist group took control of Kurdistan.

After two weeks of fighting, the Iraqi Kurdistan government agreed to accept the demands of the central Iraqi authorities. Autonomy has returned to its usual regime with its own customs, regional currency, parliament, government and president.

Submitting to Baghdad, Erbil, however, began to demonstrate his independence from time to time. Even got diplomatic missions of countries in which large Kurdish diasporas live. Now, along with these actions, there is a meeting between the Prime Minister of Iraqi Kurdistan and Pope Francis.

Divided people




Iraqi Kurdistan is the only Kurdish state entity today. This people inhabits historical an area of ​​450 thousand square kilometers in the border areas of Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria. (Territory comparable to countries such as Sweden or Uzbekistan).

A century ago, this region (with the exception of its Iranian part) was part of the Ottoman Empire. After its collapse, the Kurds made several attempts to create their own state formations. They did not last long, and occupied only a small part of the territory inhabited by Kurds.

For example, in the twenties of the last century in the east of modern Turkey was the self-proclaimed Ararat Kurdish Republic. It did not last long - only three years. In 1946, the Mehabad Kurdish Republic was proclaimed in Iran for a short time.

These attempts to unite in their own state are inspired by the idea of ​​creating a Greater Kurdistan popular with the Kurds. It is estimated that more than 40 million people can enter it. More than 20 million Kurds live in Turkey, over 11 million in Iran, up to 7 million in Iraq, and up to 3 million in Syria.

More difficult. Kurds are divided into two large sub-ethnic groups - Kurmanji (live in Turkey, Syria and in the northern regions of Iraqi Kurdistan) and Sorani (Iraq and Iran). They have different religions, which does not greatly contribute to the rapprochement of the people. Among the Kurds there are Muslims (Sunnis, Shiites, Alawites), in small sub-ethnic groups - Christians, Yezidis, Jews.

But most importantly, stable clans govern the Kurds, who are not at all inclined to share power with their people with someone. This is especially true for Iraqi Kurdistan, the richest of the areas of compact residence of the Kurds.

The well-being of Erbil and the Barzani clan ruling him rests on oil. In Turkey, the situation is different. Kurdish areas are the poorest in the country. Here in the city of Diyarbakir (called, by the way, as the capital of "Greater Kurdistan"), riots erupt periodically.

Dissatisfaction with the living conditions of the local population is interspersed in Diyarbakir with the political demands of autonomy, the release from life imprisonment of the leader of the Kurdish Workers Party (PKK) banned in Turkey, Abdullah Ocalan, etc.


Torchlight procession in support of Ocalan in Syrian Manbij


The Turkish police do not stand on ceremony with the Kurds and use the whole arsenal of available means: tear gas, water cannons, weapon. In 1981 - 2002, due to the hostilities between the Turkish army and the units of the Kurdish Workers Party, Diyarbakir was generally a closed city.

Why is the West against the Greater Kurdistan?


Syrian Kurds are closely associated with Turkish Kurds and their PKK. Actually, it is these two groups that most actively defend the idea of ​​a Greater Kurdistan. She has many opponents, and all the influential are from prosperous Western capitals.

The West has two main reasons. Firstly, the separation of Kurdish territories from the countries of Asia Minor will easily provoke a great war. Dangerous instability can occur in four states of the region at once. Secondly, warlike Kurds, who have no experience of a state hostel, separated by religious and clan contradictions, themselves will become a new hotbed of tension in this already troubled region of the world.

Such arguments are made by Western experts in support of the policies of their leaders, who do not approve of the idea of ​​Greater Kurdistan. They note one more circumstance: Kurdish clans are quite satisfied with the existing state of affairs.

The same Barzani forces today successfully cooperate with multinational companies and the American authorities. Support Washington's policy in the Middle East. For them, the Kurdish Workers Party is almost a class enemy, with which there is no sense in unifying.

So it turns out that the idea of ​​"Greater Kurdistan" captivates ordinary people and lower-ranking politicians. Without the participation of the Kurdish elite, it is unrealizable. At least in the foreseeable future.
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  1. DMB 75 22 February 2020 12: 18 New
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    Kurds want to have a single state

    "He will eat something, but who will give it to him ..." Even the Americans are against their "friends-goods", to say nothing of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey.
    the separation of Kurdish territories from the countries of Asia Minor will easily provoke a great war. Dangerous instability can occur at once in four states of the region.

    Nobody will do it there.
    1. volodimer 22 February 2020 17: 22 New
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      No one needs a new player in the Middle East. Even about the times of the USSR, for all the pro-communist orientation of Ajalan, nothing shone there, but now. Barzani is like a weather vane and we have nothing to do in Iraq. After the amers, the Syrian Kurds are not needed for nothing, even if they agree with Assad. Turkish Kurds are the smut of Erogan ... And together they themselves are not ready to be.
      At the moment there is not a single big player in world politics who would drown for the Kurds, the maximum that they shine with is the autonomy in Syria and Iraq, even Iran will not remember them. Turks ... well, everything is clear.
      1. Nyrobsky 22 February 2020 19: 27 New
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        Quote: volodimer
        At the moment there is not a single big player in world politics who would drown for the Kurds,
        With the exception of the United States, which supported the Kurds with arms supplies and organized the training of Kurdish fighters with the participation of NATO instructors, they deliberately went on to worsen relations with Ankara. Mattresses work for the future and simply would not spoil relations with a NATO ally, which means they are involved in maintaining the myth of creating an independent Kurdistan in order to gain a foothold in the region based on Kurdish armed forces. In principle, Americans have been hatching this idea for more than a century, only in the modern version they have the goal of providing Kurdistan with access to the Mediterranean Sea. Here is a 1919 map, as they would like to see Kurdistan 100 years ago.
        1. bessmertniy 23 February 2020 04: 04 New
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          The interest of Americans is to use the Kurds to influence this region. Today, the US does not get along very well with Turkey and Iraq, and generally opposes Syria and Iran. And the Kurds for money and weapons will fulfill any American wishes. what
        2. the finish 23 February 2020 15: 28 New
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          I like this card more ...
      2. Bolbot 27 February 2020 18: 09 New
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        Everything is even more complicated for them than for the Slavs. Try to unite the Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians today. They are more likely to devour each other than unite.
  2. Thrifty 22 February 2020 12: 19 New
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    Kurds need to learn by heart Krylov’s fable "swan, cancer, and pike" - this is about them! First of all, it is necessary to unite the entire ethnic group, to become a force, to realize that they are one people, like the Jews! You can live anywhere, but for all your people, for your country. Only then can they stutter about the possibility of creating a state for themselves.
    1. bessmertniy 23 February 2020 04: 06 New
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      Judging by the situation, the Kurds today are no less divided than the Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians. Therefore, the hypothesis of a single Kurdistan is unlikely to ever come true. hi
  3. Lamata 22 February 2020 12: 19 New
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    It’s normal to open a company on the territory of 4 states.
    1. dzvero 22 February 2020 12: 26 New
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      In addition to the Iranian, the borders of other states in the BV were determined by the British and French. Iran - a separate song; there RI "put a hand."
      1. Lamata 22 February 2020 21: 41 New
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        Did the British define borders in Syria? Syria was under the French.
    2. volodimer 22 February 2020 17: 30 New
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      If Assad had been demolished, then there was a chance ... although Iraqi did not fall under the Syrian, and so without hope ... The borders there are cut by colonialists ... from that and hemorrhagic
  4. dzvero 22 February 2020 12: 22 New
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    Without access to the sea, any Kurdish state entity will be held hostage by its neighbors. In the current geological period, such an exit is not planned, and they won’t provide another ... It would be better to work on obtaining broad autonomies with the right to freely exchange goods and people among themselves.
    1. volodimer 22 February 2020 17: 34 New
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      That's right, but those who want to become president do not want to be satisfied with the governor's position ...
      So Russia almost collapsed ... "Take sovereignty as much as you want," one tennis player blurted out drunk.
      1. Reserve officer 23 February 2020 00: 11 New
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        Is it really Kafelnikov blurted out? !! And if you are about Yeltsin, then he was not only a shady drunk. But also the head of state. Which in the end and drank.
  5. the finish 22 February 2020 12: 49 New
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    In fatty they drew a map for themselves! In this situation, Russia has the right not to recognize the Moscow and Kars treaties and to send troops all the way to Kars.
    1. volodimer 22 February 2020 17: 36 New
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      As the legal successors of RI ... wink
  6. tihonmarine 22 February 2020 13: 18 New
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    But most importantly, stable clans govern the Kurds, who are not at all inclined to share power with their people with someone.
    This is the main trouble of the Kurds.
  7. knn54 22 February 2020 13: 27 New
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    If anyone needs Kurdistan, then Israel is the enemy of my enemy, my friend.
    If (suddenly) independent Kurdistan arises, then the Assyrians will want independence (the worse we are). Chaldeans ...
    Ethnic principalities warring among themselves will arise, and blood will flow in the region for centuries.
  8. Shahno 22 February 2020 13: 27 New
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    Quote: Thrifty
    Kurds need to learn by heart Krylov’s fable "swan, cancer, and pike" - this is about them! First of all, it is necessary to unite the entire ethnic group, to become a force, to realize that they are one people, like the Jews! You can live anywhere, but for all your people, for your country. Only then can they stutter about the possibility of creating a state for themselves.

    And who will write the Torah for them. Is he again? sad
  9. Operator 22 February 2020 13: 52 New
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    To divide Turkey into three parts (the Mediterranean - to the Kurds, the Black Sea - to the Turks, the straits - to the Russian Federation), deport all the Kurds from Iran, Iraq and Syria to the Mediterranean part - and this is the end.
  10. chenia 22 February 2020 14: 30 New
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    Creating an independent Kurdistan (even if the Americans will contribute to this) absolutely in the interests of Russia. It is necessary in Syria to give the Kurds wide autonomy. Russia in every way (but not too much, or not at all publicizing it) should push Assad to this.
    1. Dart2027 22 February 2020 17: 08 New
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      Quote: chenia
      Creating an independent Kurdistan (even if the Americans will contribute to this) is absolutely in Russia's interests.

      But why?
      1. volodimer 22 February 2020 17: 41 New
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        Really, new problems in the region? Already a coward to Erdogan? Autonomy within existing states is yes, but no more.
  11. Vladimir Mashkov 22 February 2020 14: 56 New
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    Dreaming, of course, is nice. Only few are going to give their territories to the Kurds! Even the Americans, who wanted to split and subjugate the Middle East and wanted to do it with their hands, including the Kurds deceived by them, realized the futility of this and abandoned the Kurds. And they still dream ...
  12. Shahno 22 February 2020 14: 59 New
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    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    Dreaming, of course, is nice. Only few are going to give their territories to the Kurds! Even the Americans, who wanted to split and subjugate the Middle East and wanted to do it with their hands, including the Kurds deceived by them, realized the futility of this and abandoned the Kurds. And they still dream ...

    Well, like this. Kurds who do not have experienced leaders. Must be provided. What, for the first time?
  13. Felix Chuykov 22 February 2020 15: 42 New
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    The path of the elite

    From private chips to satellites.
    Here is the unchanging path of the elite.

    Felix Chuykov

    22 February 2020 year
    1. volodimer 22 February 2020 17: 49 New
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      Poems are not very ...
      The meaning is clear
      it is unpleasant for the "elite" laughing
  14. 7,62h54 22 February 2020 17: 05 New
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    Everyone wants to have, but not everyone gives ...
  15. Ros 56 22 February 2020 17: 35 New
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    Eh how they waved on the map, it is very doubtful that someone will support them in this, there are so many interests that can be affected that they will most likely start kicking them from all sides.
  16. Krasnodar 22 February 2020 17: 48 New
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    Firstly, the separation of Kurdish territories from the countries of Asia Minor will easily provoke a great war. Dangerous instability can occur at once in four states of the region. Secondly, belligerent Kurds who do not have the experience of a state hostel, separated by religious and clan contradictions, themselves will become a new hotbed of tension in this already troubled region of the world.

    Those. high oil prices - beneficial to Russia, disadvantageous to China and Western Europe.
    1. NordUral 23 February 2020 13: 05 New
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      Krasnodar! High prices are disadvantageous to the people of Russia. The rest is not interesting to me.
  17. Chaldon48 22 February 2020 22: 16 New
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    When the comrades don’t agree, their case will not work.
  18. NordUral 23 February 2020 13: 04 New
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    And the lip is not a fool among the Kurds, looking at this coloring, I will say.
  19. raif 24 February 2020 01: 32 New
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    some strange phrases from the author: "Firstly, the separation of Kurdish territories from the countries of Asia Minor will easily provoke a great war. Dangerous instability can arise in four states of the region at once." - i.e. war in Turkey, Syria and Iraq is not considered a dangerous instability?
    submitted map - will the Kurds face not crack from such a territory? many dreamed of Greater Bulgaria / Hungary / Croatia / Romania / Poland (hereinafter referred to as the list) - it did not grow together.
    let these hit lovers sit on two or three chairs cut each other, dreaming of independence