Shot from different angles: details of the MANPADS attack on the Russian Su-24 bomber


The attempt to destroy the Su-24 VKS bomber has attracted increased attention of the public, the press and analysts viewing this event from different angles. The “Military Informant” portal tried to sort out the technical side of the issue. Fortunately, shots were published that revealed a number of details of the attack on a Russian aircraft.


As the resource explains, at the beginning of the video material, surrounded by Turkish military personnel, an armored car of the Kirpi type appears, equipped with a combat module and an electronic warfare system. Near it, soldiers located on the veranda of the building launch an anti-aircraft missile from the ROKETSAN FIM-92 complex, under the brand name of which the local version of the American MANPADS Stinger FIM-92 is produced.

A rocket rushing up leaves a trail behind it, next to it in the sky are two more unknown trains. False thermal targets (LTC) are emitted, which are used to equip combat aircraft. In this case, there is a considerable distance between the two unknown tracks and the LTC.

If we take into account the recording from the Forpost drone (the last shots show the launch of an anti-aircraft missile), then the situation begins to become clearer. At least three shots were fired from various air defense systems (one documented in the video and two unknown tracks).

Thus, despite the massive shelling from different directions, the Su-24 was able to safely avoid the mortal danger of being destroyed.


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  1. 1970mk 22 February 2020 04: 41 New
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    So why ... There is in fact a war. There must be a "flip side" to trying to resist this.
    1. Krasnodar 22 February 2020 04: 46 New
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      The main thing is not to blaze seriously
      Beginning in Ataturk, there was peace between the Russians and the Turks, this one came and Erdogan came to manage to quarrel with everyone.
      1. 1970mk 22 February 2020 04: 49 New
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        The military laughed. This Fuhrer Islamist could not be eliminated.
        1. krot 22 February 2020 05: 56 New
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          So many armored vehicles have militants, you can practice using the RBC-500 SPBE-D. Straight will be quite out of place!
          1. Volga073 22 February 2020 07: 42 New
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            +10000, It is high time for Turkish cockroaches.
            1. Stas157 22 February 2020 08: 58 New
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              From the article it is clear that the Turks are trying to shoot down our next plane with the hands of the Baboons. Obviously, the “punishment" for the first was not at all impressive. In any case, Putin’s new friends are conducting completely unfriendly actions against the Russian military and diplomats.
              1. Range 22 February 2020 09: 14 New
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                Fortunately, our flyers are ready for such a scenario. Does Perdogan still hope that he will get off again with tomatoes? Wrong! This time it will be calculated by its Faberge. The only thing he was lucky was that the drying failed to bring down. Perdogan and in Africa perdogan. In short, the corrupt Janissary always posed a threat to the world and he wanted to spit on any arrangements. And was it necessary to save him when the penguins were going to kill him? In short - thankless trash.
                1. Aviator_ 22 February 2020 15: 23 New
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                  If they had not saved him, then more rubbish would have come to power.
                2. tol100v 22 February 2020 17: 48 New
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                  Quote: Spectrum
                  In short - trash ungrateful.

                  A shorter "lens" and not come up with!
                3. User_internet 22 February 2020 18: 15 New
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                  believe me get off with tomatoes. There has never been a sale of today's power in Russia. So it paid off once, paid off again.
                  1. Alexey G 23 February 2020 02: 25 New
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                    Of course it will pay off! We are not barbarians! Let’s buy it off ... By the straits to Middle-earth and Constantinople ... Well, of course we’ll beat his troops a little ... 300 pieces of tanks, and 250 pieces of aircraft ... for example laughing
          2. Grits 22 February 2020 10: 32 New
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            It was said that as a result of the strike of our aircraft, 1 tank and 6 armored personnel carriers were destroyed. On frames, this is exactly the amount I saw. I hope this is the technique and that it was these funny kids that all went to the guriim. After they joyfully shouted the words on the camera.
        2. svp67 22 February 2020 08: 43 New
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          Quote: 1970mk
          The military laughed. This Fuhrer Islamist could not be eliminated.

          But don’t you think that he doesn’t just give Putin signs of appreciation, not just like that, but as a token of gratitude for the fact that he, through his military attache, almost at the last moment warned him ... and it’s somehow strange , the F-16 guidance system, ready to bring down a helicopter with Erdogan, to start firing off at the most crucial moment ...
        3. voyaka uh 22 February 2020 11: 14 New
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          "Military Lohanuli" ////
          ----
          Erdogan was saved by Russian intelligence. And very proud of it.
          1. tol100v 22 February 2020 17: 50 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            Erdogan was saved by Russian intelligence. And very proud of it.

            Intelligence can not only save ....!
            1. hydrox 22 February 2020 19: 14 New
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              Intelligence worked as it should, but the sofas should not try to evaluate the events taking place under the code "Secret. State importance" sad
        4. dzvero 22 February 2020 13: 52 New
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          The military worked according to plan. The overseas instigators "laughed" without calculating the actions of the Russian Federation.
        5. Volga073 22 February 2020 18: 32 New
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          Russia is almost SuperPower.
          And only one plane "works".
          The Turks immediately almost 2 thousand. technicians introduced into Syria.
          Shoigu all VKS only releases in parades?
          1. Alexey G 23 February 2020 02: 28 New
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            Ours and one can put cancer ... If sho, then the guys will come to the rescue and calibrate ...
      2. Gray brother 22 February 2020 09: 01 New
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        Quote: Krasnodar
        Erdogan - managed to quarrel with everyone.

        Except Qatar.
        1. Krasnodar 22 February 2020 09: 11 New
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          Quote: Gray Brother
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Erdogan - managed to quarrel with everyone.

          Except Qatar.

          Duc is the main sponsor of the Brothers of Muslims and their derivatives - the party of Erdogan, Hamas and even their friendly devils
      3. protoss 22 February 2020 09: 02 New
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        the same can be said about our ingenious leader, he already had a fight with Belarus, it remains for complete happiness to start a war with the Turks because of the poor homosexual sectarians, from whom there are only expenses.
        we will soon be finally cut off from this in everything, from flows, from straits, from interbank settlements.
        although what am I talking about, everything is working out well on TV, and we have bent import substitution and WADA, the Internet is sovereign, the world is replaced by a visa and a master, and our allies are better than each other (such strong powers as Syria, Venezuela), loans They give us, then forgive, help as best they can, fight for us, wherever we ask. one Syrian express is worth driving and driving us to Novorossiysk Alavite brothers, fuel, food, medicines, building materials, military and civilian equipment, and all for thanks. in view of all these successes, taxes are also canceled and the retirement age is reduced, as soon as we live in the emirates.
        it would be more likely to already approve for the new constitution, so that this happiness never ends.
        1. sevryuk 22 February 2020 09: 08 New
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          And with the polymers, how awkward it was, huh?
          1. protoss 22 February 2020 09: 13 New
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            no need to shove where awkward
            1. sevryuk 22 February 2020 09: 15 New
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              In the training manual about how to divide speech into sentences they write nothing?
              1. protoss 22 February 2020 09: 17 New
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                you better know what's in your training manual
              2. Gray brother 22 February 2020 09: 36 New
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                Quote: sevryuk
                In the training manual about how to divide speech into sentences they write nothing?

                He just did not copy-paste the items: 1), 2), 3) ... laughing Lazy.
        2. Paranoid50 22 February 2020 11: 26 New
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          Quote: protoss
          they’ll soon chop us off of everything in this way,

          The trouble is the trouble, the namesake ... It seems to be an adequate (???) person, but still there ... request
          1. protoss 22 February 2020 12: 07 New
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            adequate, of course, somehow I don’t care about the Bashar and its rear-wheel drive tribesmen, but in Turkey I take children to the sea (like several millions of fellow citizens) and this year I was going to, I already took the vouchers. right now, Vova will bring it to the "tomatoes" again, then after a year she will reconcile again, but I will have time to get along with me like myself.
            ok, Russia would have strategic interests in Syria, gold, slaves or spices, and we would live happily at the whole country with these incomes, but no, there we stupidly bury money in the sand. those. we are in conflict with the country in which we earn (15 billion exports a year) for the country in which we are just settling. where is the logic?
            since 2015, I see only the implementation of Ponti gdp, but these Ponte are expensive for us, personally to me.
            all these geopolitical projects since 2014 and the related minus in the economy negatively affected my family, and the rest interests me a little.
            1. alekszeit 22 February 2020 13: 44 New
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              you also have to pay for the landfill
              1. boss 23 February 2020 21: 41 New
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                too expensive landfill.
                as for me, it's not worth it.
                bind there is not worth it
            2. TANKISTONE 22 February 2020 14: 42 New
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              protoss (Alexander)
              adequate, of course, somehow I don’t care about the Bashar and its rear-wheel drive tribesmen, but in Turkey I take children to the sea (like several millions of fellow citizens) and this year I was going to, I already took the vouchers. right now, Vova will bring it to the "tomatoes" again, then after a year she will reconcile again, but I will have time to get along with me like myself.
              It seems to me that it’s you who lost the key to the “fifth point” if you are resting in the camp of the enemy near the boarding houses of the “barmaley”. Such as you bring income to a country that has caused many troubles to my ancestors. They breed people like you for money, call your wives "Natasha", and you swallow it all ... "adequate" ...
              1. protoss 22 February 2020 15: 40 New
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                neither your ancestors nor your cuckold fantasies are interested. and I don’t need any advice on where to spend my money.
              2. boss 23 February 2020 21: 51 New
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                strange, "in the camp of the enemy," say?
                but our commander in chief called Erdogash a friend.
                and who is lying?
                at the opening of the stream recently flew "into the camp of the enemy", no?
                to embitter the old foe - any stupid person is ready and can!
                and try to make a friend out of him, or at least a friend.
                it will be more difficult
            3. vik669 22 February 2020 15: 30 New
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              And for someone it’s up to you and your processes, I’m not going to Turkey personally and I should not confuse my personal coat with the state.
              1. protoss 22 February 2020 15: 49 New
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                so and where you are not going to, nobody cares either.
                my shirt is closer to me than the state with its servants.
                and well, we wouldn’t intersect, but it’s constantly trying to get into my pocket.
                1. Salty 22 February 2020 16: 29 New
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                  Quote: protoss
                  my shirt is closer to me than the state

                  And just because of the vouchers taken ... Trouble, trouble ... trouble.
                2. Grim Reaper 22 February 2020 20: 36 New
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                  Quote: protoss
                  so and where you are not going to, nobody cares either.
                  my shirt is closer to me than the state with its servants.
                  and well, we wouldn’t intersect, but it’s constantly trying to get into my pocket.

                  I think the state would be quite happy if you refused to pay any taxes, but at the same time you didn’t apply for anything.
                  For example - robbed do not go to the police. The house is on fire - let it be on fire, they will not come. Heart attack? Oh well .... and so many challenges. Children to school - well, only for a fee. Etc.
                  1. protoss 23 February 2020 13: 26 New
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                    Quote: Grim Reaper
                    I think the state would be quite happy

                    I would be fine too
                  2. boss 23 February 2020 21: 44 New
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                    let's just not talk about the police, etc., there are enough hydrocarbon revenues for all the security forces, but to feed efficient managers and megayachts to them, yes dogs on planes, yes palaces, and billions in cash, they raise taxes on this
                3. mejik 23 February 2020 07: 08 New
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                  You will be the first to scream a pig when you find yourself hostage with the Turks with the children. Bggg.
                  1. protoss 23 February 2020 13: 27 New
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                    I didn’t hear something, a round, so that the Turks would take hostages in the last tomato war. I’m sure that they won’t do this either.
              2. boss 23 February 2020 22: 10 New
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                you probably have processes, but a person writes about his children!
                and yes, you’ll write to the commander in chief so that you don’t go to Turkey, because you are not going there, otherwise he frequented, forgot, probably to ask permission.
                and about the "confuse wool", this song is out of date.
                because, maybe in Europe it’s awful, but only there the bureaucrats of the deputies on Maybach do not drive around and fly economy class. because the citizens realized that the state belongs to the people, like wool, respectively.
                and the budget is filled out of human pockets.
                and to an official of ANY rank, every citizen can ask a question, where are the miles from and is it time for you to go to Turma?
                and land registers in the public domain, everyone can see who owns any piece of land, when and how much is acquired.
                then you won’t get sick and you won’t be confused.
            4. tol100v 22 February 2020 17: 56 New
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              Quote: protoss
              and the rest interests me a little.

              Just a RAT!
            5. krillon 22 February 2020 18: 01 New
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              To whom it was unbearable that they changed their country of residence to a more prosperous one, raising the economy there and joining Western values. We live here, you need to tear your ass and try to fix something. And so everyone in fact is waiting for the wizard friend to arrive in a blue helicopter. And I think Americans are no less indignant that jobs have been reduced in connection with the transfer of production to China itself. And the farmers of Finland, France and other countries are not very happy with the show-offs of their governments that have announced the sanctions of Russia. Somehow I looked at the index of happiness, we have it 18.7 and the highest in Costa Rica 44.7. We look at what is in a country the size of the Voronezh region and the minimum wage for unskilled labor of 1000 rubles. However, too lazy to list who wants to find it. But happy! We have the same as always. The tsar did not like the Bolsheviks, either. Either from the father of the peoples “thrilled”, then Khrushchev, Brezhnev and others. It’s time to already perceive what is happening with us as karma. Russia cannot be understood by the mind. Arshin cannot be measured by the general; She has a special to become. One can only believe in Russia. And faith, as you know, does not need proof.
              1. protoss 22 February 2020 19: 17 New
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                I would respect our new king if he had stuck in Syria, and paid some Chinese people to pay for the whole carbalet, together with the Syrian express, would have shipped all of Moscow and not only garbage and all kinds of nuclear waste, but also strangers there for a separate I took the fee, earned a lot of dough in the budget and on this basis canceled at least the transport tax.
              2. boss 23 February 2020 21: 49 New
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                yeah, referring to faith in the age of oligarchy, that's cool!
                read how poor the people who are Russia are in a year and how rich the oligarchs are.
                and, by the way, many of them still receive subsidies from the budget to support business and are officially exempted from taxes
            6. Cap.nemo58rus 22 February 2020 18: 07 New
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              One sentence for the whole paragraph. It's enchanting! Any sentence begins with a capital letter, a letter. And your passport are also written with a small letter? Respect the native language!
              1. svd-xnumx 22 February 2020 19: 41 New
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                This is enchanting! Any offer begins with a capital letter, letters of honor. And your passport full name are also written with a small letter? Respect the native language!
                It is not yet known what language he speaks, in Arabic, for example, there are no capital letters.
              2. Vinokurov 23 February 2020 15: 27 New
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                Literacy is written with two m respecting you ours.
                1. Cap.nemo58rus 23 February 2020 16: 04 New
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                  Learn Russian, a little respected troll! wassat And do not forget about punctuation marks.
        3. freddyk 22 February 2020 12: 21 New
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          Quote: protoss
          it would be more likely to already approve for the new constitution, so that this happiness never ends.

          Well here do not hesitate, we will unanimously prorefendim. Putin will not offer anything bad. He can’t eat-sleep, he thinks all about the people.
          1. vik669 22 February 2020 15: 34 New
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            And then we’ll finally heal - “Okay, okay, kids, just give me the deadline,
            There will be a squirrel for you, there will be a whistle! "
          2. boss 23 February 2020 22: 45 New
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            some sort of slurred sarcasm.
            in vain so about the gdp.
            Have you read the changing articles of the Constitution?
            in my sensible changes
        4. krillon 22 February 2020 17: 18 New
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          Katz offers to give up? Good to cry. In the evening, in the yards you can’t get through, everything is packed with cars. Well, yes, I agree, the costs of Syria are not small. So Belarus is sponsored by more than 100 billion for all the time, where is the return?
          1. protoss 22 February 2020 18: 03 New
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            and where we finally can return at least from something, everywhere we get into some kind of loss. Erdogan, who is being held here for a sucker, helped Qatar, for which he received 15 yards to support his pants and a luxury Boeing. and our multi-guide?
            1. krillon 22 February 2020 18: 17 New
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              I’m not the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service, like everyone else, I don’t have a complete picture. Let's try to assume that the purpose of our presence in Syria is to prevent the project of laying a pipeline with gas from Qatar to push Russia out of the European market. What will be the losses in this case?
              1. protoss 22 February 2020 19: 06 New
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                and let's not assume nonsense, but look at the map, lay our tail to the nose, and understand that no Qatar-Europe pipe was ever planned (which, by the way, even the Assad admitted in an interview, blurted out foolishly without coordinating with the leadership), because 4 thousand km only to the borders of the EU it is already 120 bucks per thousand cubic meters only for transit, and even halfway the Qatari pipe goes through the sworn friends of the Saudis. laughter and only, but for our telezombies prokanet.
                1. krillon 22 February 2020 21: 14 New
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                  Great! One nonsense less. Sound your conclusions about the interests of Russia in the Middle East, and in particular in Syria, or should telezombies not know this?
                  1. protoss 23 February 2020 13: 30 New
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                    voiced if they were. but, in my opinion, people in the Kremlin are poorly aware of what bv. I remember how gdp was surprised to learn that some Turkomans live in Syria. with such awareness there can be no talk of planning.
          2. hydrox 22 February 2020 19: 26 New
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            Only a beggar (!) And an illiterate liberoid can evaluate a car as a symbol of prosperity and prosperity: without a vehicle, an individual can easily become impoverished and with his family go away from this world, or go broke on transportation costs with the same result ...
        5. Alexey G 23 February 2020 02: 37 New
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          had a fight with Belarus
          I did it right! Stop wiping them snot ... Let the Crimea recognize and do not flirt with the Poles!
          with the Turks start a war game
          Well, let’s say now pushing the best moment to the Turks ... pintoses will not come running to them, they are in a quarrel, the Jews will not help much either, therefore they have nowhere to go ... dumb and give ...
          because of the poor homosexual sectarians, from whom the same expenses

          Then I look that the Turks and the Americans can’t get away from the country of these beggars ... It’s also visible that they are playing nobility, they protect the poor and the unfortunate, but that’s the knights!
        6. nemez 23 February 2020 06: 51 New
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          What are you smoking?
    2. WILL 22 February 2020 04: 49 New
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      Our Su-24 left from under the blow! And in return - Turkish equipment was disposed of!
      Well done Pilots, themselves alive and saved the plane!
      1. 1970mk 22 February 2020 04: 52 New
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        I’m afraid that saturation of air defense will happen abruptly. Until our first downed. And there trampled not to understand what.
        The main thing is why the Turkish stream was built? He already has a payback of 50 years! Do not pay back! And in the event of a confrontation with Turkey - "just threw the money"
        1. Sergey Averchenkov 22 February 2020 05: 06 New
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          There is still a nuclear station and without our fuel elements it will not work. And the Turkish stream without our gas will not work. I realized you really want Russia to be so bad ... Guessed?
          1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 08: 18 New
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            But he does not understand that Russia will still raise dough for servicing nuclear power plants. And Turkish companies and other investors of different sorts participated in the construction of a gas pipe branch in Turkey. And they will not let ruin the project
            1. Alex Nevs 22 February 2020 08: 39 New
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              Yes, do not pay attention to this childish thinking. You do NOT need to buy products in the store - on these products "TORGASH loot raises." Well, the children who will pass the SCHOOL on the android, even by SMS.
            2. Stas157 22 February 2020 09: 53 New
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              Quote: Stalllker
              There is still a nuclear station without our fuel elements she will not work. And the Turkish stream without our gas will not work.

              Quote: Stalllker
              But he does not understand that Russia will still raise dough for servicing nuclear power plants.

              Akkuyu NPP after its commissioning and until the moment of complete shutdown and dismantling will be property of the Russian Federation. It is built on the principle of "build - own - operate", "build - own - operate."

              Therefore, if it "will not work", then it will be bad for the owners only. With threads exactly the same. The Turks have nothing to lose, and we have become hostages, surrendering multibillion-dollar values ​​to our eternal geopolitical rival.
              1. carstorm 11 22 February 2020 10: 45 New
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                what epic nonsense ... don't they lose? you by education who forgive? not an economist by chance? if so then I am sorry for your organization. and if not, why write about what you have no idea at all? why in our country are a lot of people who understand everything at once? soccer players are taught to play and economists count? here they understand everything. at the same time, sometimes such wild and fierce nonsense is written that it’s already ridiculous to read. We became hostages equally as any company in the world implementing its projects in another country. but of course we are the hostages.
                1. Stas157 22 February 2020 11: 15 New
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                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  what epic nonsense

                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  wild and fierce nonsense

                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  Why write about what you have no idea at all?

                  Sorry to hurt your tender strings!

                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  we became hostages equally

                  Do not be unfounded, show it.

                  Turks can now replace gas with other flows (TANAP for example). According to Akkuy, in addition to being in Russian ownership, no financial obligations from Turkey, it is not clear, will there be electricity demand NPP, as the station is located near the resort area of ​​Antalya, where there are no large industrial enterprises.
                  In any case, if we talk about Turkish costs - Turks lose a lot lessthan Russia.
                  1. carstorm 11 22 February 2020 12: 03 New
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                    oh yes what does it all have to do with it. you made so many statements at the same time quite a simple question, who are you by profession? Well, to understand your competence in these matters? Do you have any international projects? Or maybe you are a leading specialist of Rosatom? Or maybe you are the top from Gazprom? who would you make such statements? You are now trying to learn how to work as one of the world leaders in the construction and operation of nuclear power plants. Do you even hear yourself at least sometimes? The portfolio of foreign projects includes 36 NPP units, 6 units are being built in Russia. Revenues of more than a trillion per year. and then a man appears on the pages of VO who knows everything about everything and begins to criticize such a business monster. it's not just funny. it looks so ridiculous that even confuses.
                    1. 1970mk 22 February 2020 12: 09 New
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                      Revenues ... more than a trillion a year? Will you show how much of this in the Budget? You will not find it! You do not confuse the country's proceeds with someone’s pocket!
                      About Turkish1 Stream still tell! Project payback with 4 branches 47 years! 4 threads will not be. Will it pay off?
                      1. carstorm 11 22 February 2020 12: 17 New
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                        in the first, revenue cannot go to the budget by definition. all the same, we must distinguish it from income. I’ll repeat about the flow, how many international projects have you carried out in your life? Well, what would you talk about payback? I’m not a single one and therefore do not make such statements and always proceed from the conclusions of the pros in these areas. Are you from them?
                      2. 1970mk 22 February 2020 12: 21 New
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                        Am I from them? Do not make me laugh with your nonsense. You wrote in Russian "Turkish stream with 4 branches under the project - payback of 47 years" .. Is this normal? Why are you voicing the NPP “not with us” - are they helping out in rubles? Trillion in rubles? In the budget, zero rubles, zero kopecks. Who did this revenue go to?
                      3. carstorm 11 22 February 2020 12: 32 New
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                        Well, okay. another of the caste, I know everything about everything. you even ignore basic questions. I’ll ask again, how can you judge the payback period without understanding anything about it? someone tried to explain to you that world practice in this topic and large projects is sometimes decades? the term of 7-10 years is generally minimal. As for Rosatom’s revenue, financial documents are available for anyone and annual reports. difficult to learn? Well, for example, Rosatom paid 16 yards to the budget in 125. and I repeat, revenue is not transferred to the budget.
                      4. 1970mk 22 February 2020 15: 11 New
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                        125 yards of POP! And in general, what does ROSATOM have to do with it? I talked about the Turkish stream ... What questions? Essentially no payback and at a loss have something to say? No? Why are you asking questions?
                      5. carstorm 11 22 February 2020 15: 12 New
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                        Why are you voicing the NPP “not with us” - are they helping out in rubles? Trillion in rubles? In the budget, zero rubles, zero kopecks. Who did this revenue go to? you at least write yourself read something)))
                      6. Serg89 23 February 2020 00: 35 New
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                        Already boiling ... Not the first year I read IN ... SILENT

                        Interesting news ... the plane left, you think right now people will put forward interesting thoughts about the situation, still IN. Who launched the missiles, how he actually left (in theory): he simply gained height, traps, some sort of maneuvering, etc. How can this affect the use of our aviation, etc. Good comments are like a continuation of the material, but NO, then comes the spam of several paranoiacs for conspiracies, the economy, everywhere Putin, Ukraine, Israel are some sort of. The people, if there is nothing to write, then most likely Putin is not to blame. And it’s not so complicated, as many paranoid people say, they will still spoil light, interesting to read material with some kind of water with numbers taken from the air, not PPC.
                      7. WILL 25 February 2020 23: 45 New
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                        But do not need to silently read! It is necessary - to state your thoughts! hi
                  2. WILL 25 February 2020 23: 41 New
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                    Well done! Well answered! There are a lot of sofa couchs here ... hi
          2. Vadim Kiselev 22 February 2020 15: 28 New
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            In the USSR, too, critics did not like. Built, all over the world, for a great life. No one has repaid debts. The country flew into the chimney and fell apart.
          3. Stas157 22 February 2020 16: 32 New
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            Dmitry ran out of arguments and he could not confirm his words, so he goes on to personality:
            Quote: carstorm 11
            you made so many statements at the same time a very simple question-who are you by profession?

            Quote: carstorm 11
            you drive some international projects? or maybe you are a leading specialist Rosatom? can you are top from Gazprom?

            Me not. And you? Why do you forbid me to express your opinion? I would understand if you yourself worked at Rosatom!

            Dmitry do not wig aside, answer the question on the topic, and do not get personal.
            1. carstorm 11 22 February 2020 18: 26 New
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              I asked you very specific questions. to which you did not want to answer me for some reason. without these, the answer is something reasoned to write to you, I'm sorry stupid. You can write an opinion about anything and it is your right. and I can ask you questions about your competence in these matters. for it is quite logical. but if you are a locksmith for example, maybe it’s worth it to be more modest and not give an assessment of the work of people about which you do not have knowledge? and if you have them, then I am quite glad to hear a competent person and learn his professional opinion in order to learn something new.
      2. lelik613 22 February 2020 17: 59 New
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        soccer players are taught to play and economists count

        Well, we know our players ... And economists are even worse than those ...
    3. Stalllker 22 February 2020 11: 40 New
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      So what???? We can all read Vika, but understanding this information is a completely different matter.
    4. Salty 22 February 2020 16: 52 New
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      Quote: Stas157
      Turks lose nothing

      Turks lose, for example, the opportunity to earn on the resale of gas.
    5. Asad 22 February 2020 17: 56 New
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      Satanovsky calculated that with the timely delivery of the nuclear power plant, we will receive the first ruble in 2030, and 90% of the personnel will be Turks.
      1. kot28.ru 3 March 2020 15: 04 New
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        I still think that you do not get in rubles
        Maximum in hryvnias
  • svp67 22 February 2020 08: 46 New
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    There is still a nuclear station and without our fuel elements it will not work. And the Turkish stream without our gas will not work. I realized you really want Russia to be so bad ... Guessed?

    Firstly, the nuclear power plant is just under construction, and as experience of the same Ukraine shows, Westengauz is capable of replacing our TVELs now.
    The Turkish Stream itself, of course, does not exist, but the rest of the infrastructure built from Turkey to Europe may well work without it ... and we invested money there, and not small ...
    1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 09: 34 New
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      Of course you can replace, only no guarantees
    2. ™ Ramzes ™ 22 February 2020 10: 10 New
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      Quote: svp67
      and as experience in Ukraine itself shows, Westengauz is capable of replacing our TVELs right now.


      Well, yes ... Here it is clearly visible at the Rivne and South Ukrainian NPPs. How many are they already on the “planned” repair?
      1. svp67 22 February 2020 10: 32 New
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        This is clearly seen in Rivne and South Ukrainian NPPs. How many are they already on the “planned” repair?

        But in general the reactor flew to Khmelnitsky, wad forgotten in the cooling system. You understand their reactors for the third decade, at least they worked, plus a sharp drop in the level of staff training, which incidentally touched us a bit. And the Turkish NPP is new, there is a lot of things done better
    3. carstorm 11 22 February 2020 10: 53 New
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      On March 29, 2017, Westinghouse Electric filed bankruptcy documents with the court. Following the results of last year, the company suffered tremendous losses, and the issue of its reorganization is currently being decided. Westinghouse Electric has not fulfilled the obligation to build four power units in the United States. In particular, over the past months, the owners of two power units under construction at Vogtle NPP (Georgia) had to hurriedly search for new general contractors. As a result, the deadlines for putting objects into operation have moved. In June, it became known that work at Vogtle NPP would be performed by another American company - Southern Co. - for $ 3,68 billion. Westinghouse Electric's problems have been accumulating for more than a year and are primarily associated with serious technical miscalculations and systematic breakdowns in the construction of power units of two nuclear power plants in the United States. they are not capable and it is a matter of their survival. the owner of Toshiba turned off all projects. Ukraine is now essentially the only place in the world that is capable of at least an attempt to resuscitate this company. but there is no money ...
      1. aiden 22 February 2020 19: 55 New
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        If I’m not mistaken, then 50% of southern co belongs to the dewy.
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      Quote: svp67
      .a money we invested there and not small ...

      I don’t know, I didn’t invest. Maybe you invested. Then I sympathize.
    5. SSR
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      Quote: svp67
      Westengauz is capable of replacing our TVELs right now.

      Comrade, you fell out of the atomic sphere))))
      In March 2017, Westinghouse Electric Company filed for bankruptcy. At the end of 2016, the company had obligations of $ 9,8 billion and the inability to fulfill them due to the lack of contracts [28].
      1. svp67 22 February 2020 18: 06 New
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        Quote: SSR
        Comrade, you fell out of the atomic sphere))))

        Alas, you just did not understand the question.
        What does bankruptcy mean? US law, in particular the Bankruptcy Code, allows debt to continue to operate almost normally in the presence of arrears. According to Chapter 11, it is required to file an application with the court, and then the business entity is protected from any adverse legal actions for him. A reorganization plan must be attached, subject to approval by the court and by the majority of owners and creditors. Legal and financial opportunities, however, are narrowing.
        They did all this and KEEP on, increasing the supply of assemblies to Ukraine
  • alekszeit 22 February 2020 13: 49 New
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    the station is being built at our expense and money will be returned only from profits from the sale of electricity, so that the Turks on the drum. And the pipe is at our expense and they have already reduced the purchase of gas by 40 percent in favor of Azeris. And I understand, you are an ostrich, put your head in the sand and do not want to see anything?
    1. 16329 22 February 2020 14: 47 New
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      Of course, Turkey will live perfectly without reselling gas and electricity, without developing gas processing in new gas chemical plants, without joining a club of countries with nuclear energy, etc.
      In general, you can live without everything, the only question is how, and what place in the world to claim
      By the way, Turkey still wants a spaceport, and very much.
      All of these large projects benefit both Russia and Turkey, and no one is blocking anyone, everything will be fine

      The USSR in Turkey built metallurgical plants and oil refineries, they still work
      1. Gost2012 22 February 2020 19: 06 New
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        Quote: 16329
        Of course, Turkey will live perfectly without reselling gas and electricity, without developing gas processing in new gas chemical plants, without joining a club of countries with nuclear energy, etc.


        + At least one sensible person, lighted up the hysteria
  • Stalllker 22 February 2020 05: 51 New
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    This is geopolitics !!! When the Turkish industry sits on a gas needle, then Russia will twist its arms. And then, these same fighting "not officially" !!!
    1. Lamata 22 February 2020 07: 27 New
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      One current, BUT, and TP and nuclear power plants are built on our grandmas and we need to return them.
      1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 08: 06 New
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        NPP on credit! I think no need to explain to you what credit is ???? And the price for gas for consumers in Europe already includes the price for transit and various risks
        1. Lamata 22 February 2020 08: 08 New
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          Alexei, what a manner to address strangers to you. I know what credit is, read about this nuclear power plant. Rosatom pays a lot over the hill for loans from the Russian Federation.
          1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 09: 29 New
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            When you will be "two" then I will appeal to you in the plural "YOU". Well, since you know that then you write nonsense
          2. fk7777777 22 February 2020 10: 04 New
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            In general, there are languages ​​where you speak, it is natural to communicate with opponents, you only speak with very old people, for 70 years, for example, Finnish, Estonian, Mordvinians, Mari, .... Take an interest in who your opponent is .... Not it would be bad to know at least something about your country, and not to chop off your shoulder that all are "Martians" ... Regards.
            1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 11: 28 New
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              I've been talking to YOU ​​all my life, and I don’t need to instill your manners here. If a person turns to YOU, this is not an indicator of no respect. You can also contact YOU by wiping your feet on a person
              1. pro100y.belarus 23 February 2020 08: 09 New
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                Quote: Stalllker
                I've been talking to YOU ​​all my life, and I don’t need to instill your manners here. If a person turns to YOU, this is not an indicator of no respect. You can also contact YOU by wiping your feet on a person

                How similar to Lukashenko. Complete disregard for the interlocutor.
                Hamlo cattle ...
      2. Asad 22 February 2020 17: 59 New
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        NPP built !?
    2. 210ox 22 February 2020 07: 45 New
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      You’re ridiculous .. As long as we get our hands twisted ... Both with SP2, and with transit through the ruin.
      1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 08: 13 New
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        Dogs bark, the caravan goes
        1. Lamata 22 February 2020 11: 16 New
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          and what part of this aphorism refers to you?
          1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 11: 23 New
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            And what have you and me to do with it? Dogs in the person of Poles and Ukrainians bark, Russia still goes to its goal. Or did you decide that the dog is you?
            1. Lamata 22 February 2020 11: 24 New
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              hi Have a nice and busy day.
              1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 11: 48 New
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                You too
      2. Yura 22 February 2020 15: 07 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        .While our hands are being twisted with gas ... Both with SP2 and with transit through the ruin

        In light of the events of recent days, it seems to me that something is missing something in the big picture, and there isn’t enough news that the European Union has been wary and has begun to calculate the risks about JV 2. That is, they were going to gas the prospect is almost in abundance, and here you have SP-2, which they are trying to boycott with the whole world and sabotage sabotage for Russia, it may turn out that their energy sector will be protected from possible troubles similar to those organized by Ukraine and us. What I want to say a lot of noise, vociferous words too, it hurts everything seems like a theater of the absurd. Director in Russia, conductor in Turkey? I’m probably mistaken, it hurts all tricky. Although why not Erdogan play along with Putin?
    3. Runoway 22 February 2020 08: 31 New
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      Turkey will sit on a gas needle, then Russia will twist her arms.
      A lot of Ukraine twisted?
      1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 09: 30 New
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        All that is possible, they are beggars
        1. Runoway 22 February 2020 10: 34 New
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          All that the Americans pulled out.
          And we catch spit after spit and hope for dialogue.
          Beggars before 2014 gas was cheaper than the Russians and food is three times cheaper, all the fools in the mirror from the 91st
          And then "crane shutters" with a minimum wage of 11800r and 7000tr monthly for central heating and 150-300tr are sitting on the couch so that the house can be connected to the gas in a pipe 5 meters, and this is in the country. LEADERS FOR GAS EXPORT, look at the zombie box as they have bad and how good we are
          1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 11: 28 New
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            Oh, oh, oh, the heat started
          2. Stalllker 22 February 2020 11: 30 New
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            For 300 tons I’ll buy a good boiler and for the delivery of coal for 100 years
            1. Asad 22 February 2020 18: 02 New
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              A good boiler needs good coal; from my own experience this is a problem!
              1. Stalllker 23 February 2020 01: 28 New
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                Ordinary coal, the main thing is not dust
            2. boss 23 February 2020 23: 03 New
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              That's right, they explain to you the same thing, that in the country - the largest gas exporter, the prices for connecting CITIZENS to gas are absolutely unrealistic, especially against the background of a low standard of living.
              and you, coal boiler)
              1. Stalllker 24 February 2020 02: 00 New
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                And what does the COUNTRY and PRIVATE COMMERCIAL ORGANIZATIONS? who connect YOUR house to the GAS that they bought from the STATE and sell to YOU ​​????! We now have no specialty, but capitalism "MAN TO MAN WOLF !!!" ABOUT ARE A COUNTRY WHERE IT WAS EVERYTHING FOR FREE OR ALMOST EVERYTHING, NOW SEARCH THE GUILT. And as for coal, this one is cheaper than gas, and on the basis of economic benefits, it is simply cheaper than heating, heating, and so on. If you are talking about a low standard of living. The topic is closed.
    4. aybolyt678 22 February 2020 09: 10 New
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      Quote: Stalllker
      When the Turkish industry sits on a gas needle, then Russia will twist its arms.

      when Turkish industry sits on a gas needle, then another industrial giant, the largest on the African continent, will appear near Russia, and with its capabilities will be the hegemon on the African continent
      1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 09: 31 New
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        But what's wrong when our partners are industrially developed ??? And they will never become a giant
        1. aybolyt678 22 February 2020 10: 43 New
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          Quote: Stalllker
          And they will never become a giant

          when we despised China ........
          1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 11: 33 New
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            And why did you despise him ???? See how ordinary Chinese and their provinces live. And their external debt is already 160% of GDP, the guys have taken the path of the United States, I wish them good luck. Let's see how much they will owe the world in 20 years. Living on credit is not the best policy.
            1. 1970mk 22 February 2020 12: 14 New
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              The Chinese have long stopped traveling to Russia to work in large numbers. ZP minuscule! What are you talking about?
              What are the Chinese there? Argentina Great country? There pensions starting at $ 300 start. The minimum salary is slightly higher than this amount. Can you patriotically explain why we have less than less in some countries in Africa who will teach millions of workers?
              1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 13: 01 New
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                Up to $ 300)))) they have urban pensioners and rural, rural pennies receive, as it was in the USSR at one time. And then, since 2014, they have so, before that only state employees and civil servants have received. My parents have 20t each and still work because they don’t want to sit at home. Every two years they go abroad to rest. Go your fables to another audience rub
                1. alekszeit 22 February 2020 14: 15 New
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                  You already decide whether they work or go on vacation. Life is not infinite. And not Muscovites who have a minimum of 19.5? And put a candle. That they have health, it happens overnight. And I know some who barely drag their legs and all work to help the kids.
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                  And what is determined ??? Do not working people go on vacation ??? What do you use?
                  And in all, not from Moscow, but from Siberia. Well, if moral children live with their parents and retire, then this is their problem, the children and parents who raised them that way. And the health of anyone can end overnight, for example, under the wheels of a car.
              2. 1970mk 22 February 2020 15: 12 New
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                300 dollars what was said?
              3. Stalllker 22 February 2020 15: 25 New
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                About nothing, I live in Russia, we have rubles and prices in rubles. When there will be dollars and prices in them, then we will talk about it. The topic is closed.
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              5. ul_vitalii 22 February 2020 19: 19 New
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                Quote: Stalllker
                About nothing, I live in Russia, we have rubles and prices in rubles. When there will be dollars and prices in them, then we will talk about it. The topic is closed.

                Truthfully and categorically smile I see you are fighting off annoying flies here. I have a fly swatter from them, but unfortunately I do not have time. That heat, then again maggot, according to temperature and other unsanitary conditions. request
              6. Stalllker 23 February 2020 01: 32 New
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                They are all lucky in front of screens, but in life ....
      2. Asad 22 February 2020 18: 04 New
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        Argentina is not a good example, inflation is huge
    5. Krasnodar 22 February 2020 17: 35 New
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      Quote: Stalllker
      And why did you despise him ???? See how ordinary Chinese and their provinces live. And their external debt is already 160% of GDP, the guys have taken the path of the United States, I wish them good luck. Let's see how much they will owe the world in 20 years. Living on credit is not the best policy.

      They didn’t follow the American path - the US debt of 2/3 to its own citizens ensures its largest purchasing power in the American market. The same States with the EU provide the Chinese with work - in about 20 years - yes, the Chinese will already produce 80% of their own and, possibly, will get even more debt.
      1. Stalllker 23 February 2020 01: 47 New
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        And how does the purchasing power of the population provide public debt ???? laughing Can you explain the US phenomenon on your fingers?
        1. Krasnodar 23 February 2020 01: 57 New
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          1) Usually - if I have a population of 300 million snouts, of which 180 million work, the average salary is 4500 thousand tanks a month - they give me money in debt - because employment and salaries are high, credit history is not bad, and I am the most coveted client.
          If I do not have debts and the average salary of 90 tanks per 600 million working population, then no one will give me dough after saving my savings if necessary - I am not creditworthy)).
          2) Kindly hi
        2. Stalllker 23 February 2020 05: 00 New
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          I can’t rzhu))))))))))) China is also actively lending, and people, compared to the numbers that you indicated, get a penny there. Your formula does not work
        3. Krasnodar 23 February 2020 08: 09 New
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          laughing
          There, it seems, the minimum salary of 45 thousand is approximately set or 750 tanks per month, the working population of 700 million will be ...))
          Count
        4. Stalllker 23 February 2020 08: 11 New
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          Yes, I do not fucking count your assumptions
        5. Krasnodar 23 February 2020 08: 12 New
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          An exhaustive answer! hi
          Happy Holidays! soldier
  • boss 23 February 2020 23: 04 New
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    China helped, freed and assisted.
    what contempt are we talking about, please read more
  • Grits 22 February 2020 10: 37 New
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    This is geopolitics !!! When the Turkish industry sits on a gas needle, then Russia will twist its arms.

    So far, only with all these gas pipes have our hands twisted.
    1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 13: 05 New
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      Where? The supply volume is only increasing! How is it that they twist our hands?)))
    2. Salty 22 February 2020 16: 08 New
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      Quote: Gritsa
      So far, only with all these gas pipes are we twisting our hands

      Turks? What are you? At leisure, try twisting your hands on a campaign that sells electricity to your home.
  • www3 22 February 2020 22: 56 New
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    then, Europe, SCH Gazprom Gazprom unscrews his hands, so that the profit itself fell))
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      Profits in 2019 fell due to a decrease in gas consumption this year, temperature indicators were higher! In short, the heat was less burned gas. I am sure that coal companies in Russia also have such problems and they did not make a profit
  • Dimy4 22 February 2020 08: 01 New
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    The main thing is why the Turkish stream was built?

    A cunning plan and a multi-door you yourself know who. But in the end they lowered the money to the WC. This is my opinion.
  • Runoway 22 February 2020 08: 35 New
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    otherwise why did they build the Turkish stream? He already has a payback of 50 years!

    Don’t worry, even with a successful scenario, it’s just Miller’s income, even if tomorrow people don’t make a profit, even 50kop of gas will not be thrown off
  • protoss 22 February 2020 09: 05 New
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    you don’t drive a blizzard here, we’ll drive into the Istanbul tanks by the pipeline, checkmate and Erdogan, unnoticed by this pipeline.
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      Good grass
  • Krasnodar 22 February 2020 04: 54 New
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    Modern jet aircraft from MANPADS have long been difficult to cover. The question is - why did one fly again, and if they flew in a pair, why, according to the outpost, didn’t hit the object from which they launched the MANPADS?
    1. WILL 22 February 2020 04: 59 New
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      I think in a telephone conversation yesterday, Putin and Erdogan also discussed this incident! Well, the answer for the Su-24 attack ... burnt down Turkish Tanks - which we were discussing on another branch ... There, the Su-24, worked effectively on Turkish technology.
      1. Krasnodar 22 February 2020 05: 01 New
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        Yes, I understand that, it’s just always beating at the source of anti-aircraft fire - the plane is expensive, pilot training is also not cheap, so people are always punished for firing at aircraft.
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          Later, the Russian Aerospace Forces worked at the Turkish post in Kminas in response to an attempt to bring down their plane. It was this incident that entailed the death of two Turkish troops, according to the Syrian media.
    2. rotmistr60 22 February 2020 05: 20 New
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      Question - why did one fly again
      Our MO after an air strike reported that the Su-24 took off accompanied by fighters.
      Regarding the launch from MANPADS. Today in news programs it was said that assumptions about the use of MANPADS by Turkish military units were not ruled out.
      1. Krasnodar 22 February 2020 05: 22 New
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        Turks themselves will not risk it - they have a proxy for this
        And once again - they always punish for shooting at aviation
        1. rotmistr60 22 February 2020 05: 26 New
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          So why exactly the assumption was made, and taking into account the previously voiced information that the Turks supplied the bandits with the uniform of the Turkish army.
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            There among the proxies (Turkamans) are probably full of Turkish specialists
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              There among the proxies (Turkamans) are probably full of Turkish specialists

              I wonder what language they communicate with each other? In Arabic or Turkish? Or maybe in the language of a common friend and host?
              1. Krasnodar 22 February 2020 10: 45 New
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                Quote: Gritsa

                I wonder what language they communicate with each other? In Arabic or Turkish? Or maybe in the language of a common friend and host?

                Turkamans, in theory, speak Turkish. "The common owner" is arming the Kurds against the Turks)),
                1. Grits 22 February 2020 11: 18 New
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                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Turkamans, in theory, speak Turkish

                  Looked at the ethnic map of Syria. In Idlib, it turns out, there are very few Turkoman. They are all in the neighboring Turkish province of Hatay. Come in large numbers?
                  Unfortunately, the map could not be downloaded.
                  1. Krasnodar 22 February 2020 11: 35 New
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                    Local radicals + come in large numbers + Turkish specialists + Arabs who have joined from other Barmalei
        2. alekszeit 22 February 2020 14: 20 New
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          to punish, you need to detect the source. I do not think that the sky is teeming with our free hunters. Videos appear on the network, so they didn’t punish or not those
      2. novobranets 22 February 2020 09: 23 New
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        Quote: rotmistr60
        the assumption of the use of MANPADS by Turkish military units is not excluded.

        sources report that missile launch on a Russian combat aircraft was carried out from the territory of the recently erected Turkish checkpoint, which indicates the fact that it was the Turkish army that was involved in the destruction of two Syrian military helicopters and the damage of another.

        The Russian side has not yet commented on the incident, however, it is reported that immediately after the attack, in the area from which the anti-aircraft missile was launched, a powerful blow was dealt.

        It should be clarified that previously it was reported about the shelling of Russian and Syrian military helicopters and aircraft using anti-aircraft installations, however, in recent years, a rocket was fired into a Russian aircraft for the first time.

        If the information that Turkey tried to bring down the Russian bomber is confirmed, then Moscow can finally break all agreements with Turkey in Syria, since the Russian plane did not violate the borders of Turkish airspace, and Ankara was previously warned about the seriousness of any provocations.
        Read more at: http://avia.pro/news/turciya-popytalas-sbit-rossiyskiy-su-24-bombardirovshchik-vks-s-trudom-ushyol-ot-rakety-video
    3. Stalllker 22 February 2020 05: 52 New
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      I have another question, why is the drying so low, what can I get with MANPADS ???!
      1. stepka_razin 22 February 2020 06: 05 New
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        I have another question, why is the drying so low, what can I get with MANPADS ???!

        Most likely it’s not low, they’d definitely get it, the Su-24 is not the plane that will leave the MANPADS without consequences
        1. Krasnodar 22 February 2020 06: 15 New
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          Is not a fact
          There are traps, there are basic techniques for avoiding such missiles and even air-to-air missiles with such a machine as the Su-24
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            Is not a fact
            There are traps, there are basic techniques for avoiding such missiles and even air-to-air missiles with such a machine as the Su-24

            This is all there, but everything is exactly in serious doubt that it is not the SU-34 that can turn turns. There are only traps to count on height
            But if there really were three MANPADS, then no traps would save, only a quick climb. Well, since it was possible to crank this up, it means not so low and the car flew. And what's the point of substituting the SU-24 pilot and descending too low over the territory where every third barmaley has a stinger?
            1. Stalllker 22 February 2020 06: 33 New
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              The bearded ones will also not just shoot into the air, so there were prerequisites
            2. Slon379 22 February 2020 07: 20 New
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              Duck Su-24 is high and does not fly like
              1. Grigory_45 22 February 2020 13: 58 New
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                Duck Su-24 is high and does not fly like

                after the Su-2018 was shot down from MANPADS in Idlib in February 25, the aircraft were ordered to fly at an altitude of more than 5 thousand meters, which avoids the fire of portable anti-aircraft missile systems
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              Quote: stepka_razin
              And what's the point of substituting the SU-24 pilot and descending too low over the territory where every third barmaley has a stinger?

              Therefore, probably, it is not audible that the Rooks and our attack helicopters should work on them
      2. ™ Ramzes ™ 22 February 2020 10: 20 New
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        Well, as far as I understand from the MO reports, they tried to get a “dryer” at the exit from a combat approach at a climb.
    4. Grits 22 February 2020 10: 40 New
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      Modern jet aircraft from MANPADS have long been difficult to cover. The question is - why did one fly again, and if they flew in a pair, why, according to the outpost, didn’t hit the object from which they launched the MANPADS?

      Because again the same rake.
      And about the "crashed", there was infa that it was precisely on these comrades that they crashed. So now they are all above that plane - in heaven.
      1. Krasnodar 22 February 2020 12: 55 New
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        Gd give it to be so
    5. jekasimf 22 February 2020 12: 24 New
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      They cut in, cut in. The video shows the building on the red roof of the mattress. So this is the position from which the MANPADS were fired.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=5ZSo9aZz-z4&feature=emb_logo
  • Mar.Tirah 22 February 2020 06: 22 New
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    Our Su-24 left from under the blow!
    Like this. and the pilot didn’t even expect an attack. An automatic missile attack warning system worked, with the release of heat traps. And although rockets could not reach him, he went at an altitude of more than 5 km, but there was certainly excitement. And again the Turkoman as with the shot down Su -24 Peshkova. In my opinion, they still owe them, we need to take on them for real.

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      To undertake Turkomanov? Yeah ... yeah ... only this is the Turks ..... anyway, the Russians in the Crimea or on the Donbas are for us. What will you explain to the Turks about this?
      1. Mar.Tirah 22 February 2020 17: 34 New
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        What will you explain to the Turks about this?

        They’ve already explained so !!!. The F-16 pilot who shot down the Su-24 was arrested and we don’t know where it is now, but it’s not free, because he participated in a military coup against Erdogan. And the shooter who shot and lit up was arrested. Well and you’ve probably already seen about the processing of the slopes of the Jebel al-Turkman mountains by Grads, as well as the liquidation of Turkoman militants there at that time. Yes, they see him. https://vk.com/video-34763916_171450403
  • SanSanych Gusev 22 February 2020 08: 39 New
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    The question is why there is no photo of all three points plowed by art?
    1. Grits 22 February 2020 10: 47 New
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      The question is why there is no photo of all three points plowed by art?

      Good question. I also want a photo in the studio
  • BLOND 22 February 2020 10: 29 New
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    Here is such a mess ((
  • silver_roman 22 February 2020 21: 48 New
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    The spread of MANPADS is very much monitored. There are certain rules for the supply of various kinds of weapons to the broads. Automatic weapons, ammunition, explosives are still possible, but the means of destruction of combat aircraft are tightly attached. and if someone decided to deliver the PZRK to the broads, then some Taliban would soon be running with needles and arrows. and if this is Turkey, once again decided to land our Su 24, then already for this it is necessary to wet.
  • Mountain shooter 22 February 2020 06: 28 New
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    However, the barmalei changed their shape, but what about the weapons? Prefer Kalash, the Turks have a different shooter ...
    Drying was lucky. It was high enough, did not get MANPADS.
    1. Paranoid50 22 February 2020 11: 32 New
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      Prefer Kalash, the Turks have a different shooter ...

      Yes there is such an assortment ... fellow For example, in the photo of usharmannye barmaley their cold hands squeeze both M16 and AK.
  • Ross xnumx 22 February 2020 06: 34 New
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    I was always annoyed by articles of this nature:
    Shot from different angles: details of the MANPADS attack on the Russian Su-24 bomber

    citing as evidence (the first video) a video out of 8:39 minutes of time which was devoted to the start of MANPADS 0:07 seconds of time with a visible reverse trace in the amount of one ... What is the basis for the entire explanation of the article? In this water with waving hands and screaming people in military uniforms in an incomprehensible language? Again there are site rules:
    f) With all due respect to other languages, the language of communication in the comments to published articles is Russian ...

    What can we discuss after watching such videos?
    And assumptions from inferences like:
    Quote: ANIMAL
    I think in a telephone conversation yesterday, Putin and Erdogan also discussed this incident! Well, the answer for the Su-24 attack ... burnt down Turkish Tanks - which we were discussing on another branch ... There, the Su-24, worked effectively on Turkish technology.

    Real INCIDENT from the "OBS" area.
    I will return to the article:
    Attempt to destroy the Su-24 VKS bomber attracted increased public attention, the press and analysts viewing this event from different angles.

    This was not widely publicized in the media, but provided increased attention to the users of the VO site. And the main questions on this occasion can be expressed in one word:
    DOCLE?
    There are some norms and procedures for delivering bombing attacks. Why is Israeli aircraft
    “Can” hide their involvement in such facts, and does our aviation act on the verge of a foul? What is it? Such a “tricky” tactic or occasion for statements:
    Well done Pilots, themselves alive and saved the plane!

    Yes, the conduct of hostilities initially involves damage to the enemy’s manpower and equipment while maintaining their own forces and assets. I get the impression of some “chance” of such events. I see neither coherence, nor calculated suddenness here.
    Frankly, such an application of the Russian aerospace forces (for what significant goals ???) has already yielded deplorable results and to continue them in a similar way, giving the enemy “at least a small chance” - is ill-conceived.
    For me in such cases there is nothing more valuable than the lives of the Russian military. AND:
    “Someone shot. Strelnul - missed ”- not our method. Let it be better: "I did not have time to shoot."
    yes
    1. Paranoid50 22 February 2020 11: 34 New
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      DOCLE?

      laughing laughing laughing Hitherto. yes
      1. An60 22 February 2020 12: 56 New
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        So to Toli or to Kolya ??? wink
  • Dave36 22 February 2020 06: 56 New
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    The Turks, in fact, twice warned ... they frightened the drying and Khmeimim from the MLRS fired .... we are just a step away from the military conflict ..
    1. Paranoid50 22 February 2020 11: 37 New
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      The Turks, in fact, twice warned ... they frightened the drying and Khmeimim from the MLRS fired ....

      Then, almost on the same day, their proxies (with an arrival on a tangent to the Turks themselves) were distributed by the videoconferencing. As they say, thanks to them for the warning. yes
  • Zaurbek 22 February 2020 07: 20 New
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    Su24, apparently, maintained a safe altitude. And Su25 and Mi24 there, too, apparently, were not sent there due to the presence of MANPADS
    1. fk7777777 22 February 2020 09: 52 New
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      It seems that for a long time there is a su 39, and mi 28, maybe you can still use the captured German from the time of the Second World War, and what about eco-economy,
      1. Zaurbek 22 February 2020 12: 23 New
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        They will not save from MANPADS .... the main salvation is flying above 5000m and aiming bombing from such heights .... which they do.
  • no one 22 February 2020 07: 54 New
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    Iron logic. First attacked the plane, and then in response he bombed the tanks. Before that, he just had a sightseeing tour
    1. fk7777777 22 February 2020 09: 49 New
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      Actually, I just flew to see, and there ...
  • svp67 22 February 2020 08: 35 New
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    In the first video, the “young barmaley” shouts that he is going to fight with the Russians ... I wonder how far he has gone?
    1. Grits 22 February 2020 11: 00 New
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      Quote: svp67
      In the first video, the “young barmaley” shouts that he is going to fight with the Russians ... I wonder how far he has gone?

      He is now strangled by the arms of the virgins
      Although they cry out chants to keep up the good spirits, fear is visible in the eyes of young barmaleyks from BTR. They understood that maybe this is their last ride. Especially after the Russian shots
  • Mar.Tirah 22 February 2020 09: 03 New
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    I’m afraid that saturation of air defense will happen abruptly. Until our first downed

    On Friday, data appeared about the UAV allegedly shot down by Russian-designed Orlan. Over Turkish territory. At the same time, a source in the Russian military-industrial complex told RIA Novosti that, judging by the design of the UAV, the device could have been manufactured in Israel or Iran. " This is not an “Orlan” - it’s more like an Iranian or Israeli UAV. Our drone has a wingspan of 2,8 meters, but it’s much smaller. In addition, the exhaust pipes of a downed UAV are made in China, and these components are always Japanese “,” he emphasized. In addition, the nature of the damage indicates a malfunction of the apparatus, have the Turkish aircraft repaid it with electronic warfare equipment?
    1. svp67 22 February 2020 11: 08 New
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      “This is not an“ Orlan ”for sure - it looks more like an Iranian or Israeli UAV.

      Can I have a photo? Maybe it's an Outpost?
      1. Mar.Tirah 22 February 2020 11: 15 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Can I have a photo? Maybe it's an Outpost?

        I already deleted the source, but if I find it I'll post it. There are fragments.
        1. svp67 22 February 2020 11: 20 New
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          I already deleted the source, but if I find it I'll post it. There are fragments

          Ok, I will be grateful
          1. Mar.Tirah 22 February 2020 14: 26 New
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            Ok, I will be grateful

            In general, there’s nothing to admit, 2urak himself. He rummaged about Turkish sites and stumbled upon reports of militants about the destroyed Russian recourse belay x UAV (2 pieces). I typed the search engine so it gave out. Really
            was shot down, and our experts really commented on it. I just didn’t look at the date, but in vain. 2015 year !!!!!!! After all, I knew that the fakes were solid, but I got caught. So, sorry brothers, I’ve blundered. will be! recourse
  • FCSO 22 February 2020 09: 06 New
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    The text in the news is just tin!
    How to understand this?
    You write first "At least three shots were fired from various air defense systems", and then declare that "one documented in the video and two unknown tracks".
    To assume that for some reason the two missiles did not reach the altitude of the Su-24 - is there not enough mind?
  • Yurahip 22 February 2020 09: 24 New
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    In the video of the bearded Mujahideen, on the right on the barrel of the Kalash, apparently the last cartridge is fixed?
  • Pastor 22 February 2020 09: 30 New
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    Unfortunately, in the Russian military counterpart located in Syria, not everything is so smooth. Americans, Israel, and even the Turks are hammering hard. Our response and any action require coordination with Moscow. The command is constantly trying to cash in, leaving it now without fuel, then without provisions. The answer is one - you get paid, and buy it yourself. A Russian soldier who has passed Chechnya is used to this and is able to use markets. However, with this approach, when the war turned into a business, where they even leave for tens of thousands of rubles for bribes, we will not end well.
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    Well done, but what is it, just the professionalism of the pilot or, so they raised the level of technology, to get away from 3 x missiles that attack from different directions and angles of attack?
  • Adimius38 22 February 2020 10: 23 New
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    Shooting from MANPADS is already serious
  • Adimius38 22 February 2020 10: 25 New
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    In my opinion it is necessary to equate everything with tactical missile systems there and risk less boys in winged vehicles.
  • aybolyt678 22 February 2020 10: 44 New
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    And what's wrong when our partners

    Partners??? wassat
  • cherkas.oe 22 February 2020 11: 08 New
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    Ignored the great Putin’s degree of Turkey’s hatred of Russia, thinking that economic projects would keep them from escalating and was himself trapped by spending hundreds of billions on nuclear power plants and pipelines. Now he can’t take radical measures against Erdogan in solving the Syrian issue. But Assad alone will not pull, even if he was blocked with modern weapons. He has no personnel needed. And we did not deal with the training of such personnel. Although in ten years in Siberia it was possible to raise three divisions of specialists. And now, they could break the Turks, but you had to foresee this.
  • Mentat 22 February 2020 12: 41 New
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    Quote: Paranoid50
    It seems that an adequate (???) person

    Quote: protoss
    but in Turkey I drive children to the sea

    Hardly.
    He has been drowning here for Turkey all the time this conflict has developed. Perhaps this is not a citizen of Russia at all.
  • sedoj 22 February 2020 13: 09 New
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    Judging by the first video, half of the "fighters" do not have ramrods on the "Kalash" at all. (Them there is a whole hodgepodge). It turns out that they do not bother with cleaning. Or how?
  • Brigadier 22 February 2020 14: 53 New
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    In the first film, an almost complete feeling of the 1st Chechen.

    The same bearded and long-manned Khattab muzzles, almost the same form, screams, and so on ...
    The film lacks only the most important thing - the retaliatory strike of our aviation on their strike.

    And will we always avoid retaliation, if only America and its jackals tell us anything unpleasant? Take an example from Israel, pounding back and all things!

    Although ... given the incomprehensible compliance of the current Russian authorities to the opinion of the West, I’m afraid that we will dodge without a retaliatory strike for a long time ...
  • georggy 22 February 2020 17: 22 New
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    So the videoconferencing was simply invited to a pre-prepared trap.
  • Klingon 22 February 2020 18: 13 New
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    Quote: Spectrum
    In short - trash ungrateful.

    A shorter "lens" and not come up with!

    it happens, here you go along the road, there’s a fork in the road and where you don’t turn everywhere the road is dead, everywhere there are puddles of bumps and shit
  • Asad 22 February 2020 18: 17 New
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    Why is the death of a pilot a tragedy, and a soldier in Syria statistics?
  • Volga073 22 February 2020 18: 31 New
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    It's weird. Russia is almost SuperPower.
    And only one plane "works".
    The Turks immediately almost 2 thousand. technicians introduced into Syria.
    Did Shoigu melt all the planes in the order?
    1. aiden 22 February 2020 20: 03 New
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      On the manuals on which you write comments here
  • rotkiv04 22 February 2020 19: 41 New
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    Putin thought that he would save Perdogan, and he would be grateful to him forever, but the Russian Turks would never be a partner, much less a friend, his scimitar was always ready for use
    1. aiden 22 February 2020 20: 04 New
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      I also constantly write that you can’t trust the Turks. Throughout history, they constantly hit in the back. Hit again
  • huntsman650 22 February 2020 22: 05 New
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    How does a pilot know about launching a missile defense, visually?
  • Ilya_Nsk 23 February 2020 12: 03 New
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    From the presented frames it is not at all obvious that the plane was shot three times.
  • Alexander Mokhov 23 February 2020 14: 48 New
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    The situation is not pleasant. Putin hastened to forgive Perdogan for the downed plane. Now we are investing in the construction of a nuclear power plant, the Turkish stream has already been financed in advance. Perdogan is in debt, like in silk. If the war begins, then our money was crying (apparently this is what we need for an irresponsible policy) .On the contrary, we see how we are facing this insignificance with a mental disorder and manic inclinations like Hitler.
  • Vladimir SHajkin 23 February 2020 16: 54 New
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    After the loss of our aircraft, fighters in Syria, it was clear from the shots that the descent by parachute was from a very high altitude and therefore protracted over the enemy’s territory, I think that pilots need to be vaccinated:
    1. a rescue group is not always a salvation, because it needs to a) find, b) see and determine the area and place of landing, c) what forces will resist, d) evacuate if possible, if possible.
    2. apply the catapult only with an uncontrolled decline and after a turn and attempt to fly closer to the front line
    I understand that maybe this is said in lectures, but not vaccinated.