Shot from different angles: details of the MANPADS attack on the Russian Su-24 bomber

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The attempt to destroy the Su-24 VKS bomber has attracted increased attention of the public, the press and analysts viewing this event from different angles. The “Military Informant” portal tried to sort out the technical side of the issue. Fortunately, shots were published that revealed a number of details of the attack on a Russian aircraft.

As the resource explains, at the beginning of the video material, surrounded by Turkish military personnel, an armored car of the Kirpi type appears, equipped with a combat module and an electronic warfare system. Near it, soldiers located on the veranda of the building launch an anti-aircraft missile from the ROKETSAN FIM-92 complex, under the brand name of which the local version of the American MANPADS Stinger FIM-92 is produced.



A rocket rushing up leaves a trail behind it, next to it in the sky are two more unknown trains. False thermal targets (LTC) are emitted, which are used to equip combat aircraft. In this case, there is a considerable distance between the two unknown tracks and the LTC.

If we take into account the record with drone “Forpost” (the launch of an anti-aircraft missile is visible in the last frames), then the situation begins to clear up. At least three shots were fired from various SAMs (one documented on video and two unknown traces).

Thus, despite the massive shelling from different directions, the Su-24 was able to safely avoid the mortal danger of being destroyed.


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    1. +5
      22 February 2020 04: 41
      So why ... There is actually a war. The "downside" should somehow try to resist this
      1. +24
        22 February 2020 04: 46
        The main thing is not to blaze seriously
        Beginning in Ataturk, there was peace between the Russians and the Turks, this one came and Erdogan came to manage to quarrel with everyone.
        1. 0
          22 February 2020 04: 49
          The military laughed. This Fuhrer Islamist could not be eliminated.
          1. +44
            22 February 2020 05: 56
            So many armored vehicles have militants, you can practice using the RBC-500 SPBE-D. Straight will be quite out of place!
            1. +11
              22 February 2020 07: 42
              +10000, It is high time for Turkish cockroaches.
              1. +29
                22 February 2020 08: 58
                From the article it is clear that the Turks are trying to shoot down our next plane with the hands of the babakhs. Obviously, the "punishment" for the former didn't impress at all. In any case, Putin's new friends are taking completely unfriendly actions towards the Russian military and diplomats.
                1. +11
                  22 February 2020 09: 14
                  Fortunately, our flyers are ready for such a scenario. Does Perdogan still hope that he will get off again with tomatoes? Wrong! This time it will be calculated by its Faberge. The only thing he was lucky was that the drying failed to bring down. Perdogan and in Africa perdogan. In short, the corrupt Janissary always posed a threat to the world and he wanted to spit on any arrangements. And was it necessary to save him when the penguins were going to kill him? In short - thankless trash.
                  1. +14
                    22 February 2020 15: 23
                    If they had not saved him, then more rubbish would have come to power.
                  2. +3
                    22 February 2020 17: 48
                    Quote: Spectrum
                    In short - trash ungrateful.

                    You can't think of a shorter "lens"!
                  3. +8
                    22 February 2020 18: 15
                    believe me get off with tomatoes. There has never been a sale of today's power in Russia. So it paid off once, paid off again.
                    1. +2
                      23 February 2020 02: 25
                      Of course it will pay off! We are not barbarians! Let’s buy it off ... By the straits to Middle-earth and Constantinople ... Well, of course we’ll beat his troops a little ... 300 pieces of tanks, and 250 pieces of aircraft ... for example laughing
            2. +16
              22 February 2020 10: 32
              It was said that as a result of the strike of our aircraft, 1 tank and 6 armored personnel carriers were destroyed. On frames, this is exactly the amount I saw. I hope this is the technique and that it was these funny kids that all went to the guriim. After they joyfully shouted the words on the camera.
          2. +6
            22 February 2020 08: 43
            Quote: 1970mk
            The military laughed. This Fuhrer Islamist could not be eliminated.

            But don’t you think that he doesn’t just give Putin signs of appreciation, not just like that, but as a token of gratitude for the fact that he, through his military attache, almost at the last moment warned him ... and it’s somehow strange , the F-16 guidance system, ready to bring down a helicopter with Erdogan, to start firing off at the most crucial moment ...
          3. +17
            22 February 2020 11: 14
            "Military Lohanulis" ////
            ----
            Erdogan was saved by Russian intelligence. And very proud of it.
            1. +5
              22 February 2020 17: 50
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Erdogan was saved by Russian intelligence. And very proud of it.

              Intelligence can not only save ....!
              1. +4
                22 February 2020 19: 14
                The intelligence worked as it should, but the sofas should not have tried to assess the events taking place under the code "Secret. State importance" sad
          4. +4
            22 February 2020 13: 52
            The military worked as planned. The overseas ringleaders "got lost" without calculating the actions of the Russian Federation.
          5. -17
            22 February 2020 18: 32
            Russia is almost SuperPower.
            And only one plane "works".
            The Turks immediately almost 2 thousand. technicians introduced into Syria.
            Shoigu all VKS only releases in parades?
            1. 0
              23 February 2020 02: 28
              Ours and one can put cancer ... If sho, then the guys will come to the rescue and calibrate ...
        2. +9
          22 February 2020 09: 01
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Erdogan - managed to quarrel with everyone.

          Except Qatar.
          1. +12
            22 February 2020 09: 11
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Erdogan - managed to quarrel with everyone.

            Except Qatar.

            Duc is the main sponsor of the Brothers of Muslims and their derivatives - the party of Erdogan, Hamas and even their friendly devils
        3. -64
          22 February 2020 09: 02
          the same can be said about our ingenious leader, he already had a fight with Belarus, it remains for complete happiness to start a war with the Turks because of the poor homosexual sectarians, from whom there are only expenses.
          we will soon be finally cut off from this in everything, from flows, from straits, from interbank settlements.
          although what am I talking about, everything is working out well on TV, and we have bent import substitution and WADA, the Internet is sovereign, the world is replaced by a visa and a master, and our allies are better than each other (such strong powers as Syria, Venezuela), loans They give us, then forgive, help as best they can, fight for us, wherever we ask. one Syrian express is worth driving and driving us to Novorossiysk Alavite brothers, fuel, food, medicines, building materials, military and civilian equipment, and all for thanks. in view of all these successes, taxes are also canceled and the retirement age is reduced, as soon as we live in the emirates.
          it would be more likely to already approve for the new constitution, so that this happiness never ends.
          1. +14
            22 February 2020 09: 08
            And with the polymers, how awkward it was, huh?
            1. -38
              22 February 2020 09: 13
              no need to shove where awkward
              1. +26
                22 February 2020 09: 15
                In the training manual about how to divide speech into sentences they write nothing?
                1. -34
                  22 February 2020 09: 17
                  you better know what's in your training manual
                2. +20
                  22 February 2020 09: 36
                  Quote: sevryuk
                  In the training manual about how to divide speech into sentences they write nothing?

                  He just did not copy-paste the items: 1), 2), 3) ... laughing Lazy.
          2. +9
            22 February 2020 11: 26
            Quote: protoss
            they’ll soon chop us off of everything in this way,

            The trouble is the trouble, the namesake ... It seems to be an adequate (???) person, but still there ... request
            1. -47
              22 February 2020 12: 07
              adequate, of course, I don’t care about the Bashar and his rear-wheel-drive compatriots, but I take my children to the sea to Turkey (like several million fellow citizens) and this year I was going, I already took the vouchers. right now, Vova will again lead to "tomatoes", then a year later he will make up again, but me and people like me will have time to pay.
              ok, Russia would have strategic interests in Syria, gold, slaves or spices, and we would live happily at the whole country with these incomes, but no, there we stupidly bury money in the sand. those. we are in conflict with the country in which we earn (15 billion exports a year) for the country in which we are just settling. where is the logic?
              since 2015, I see only the implementation of Ponti gdp, but these Ponte are expensive for us, personally to me.
              all these geopolitical projects since 2014 and the related minus in the economy negatively affected my family, and the rest interests me a little.
              1. +6
                22 February 2020 13: 44
                you also have to pay for the landfill
                1. -2
                  23 February 2020 21: 41
                  too expensive landfill.
                  as for me, it's not worth it.
                  bind there is not worth it
              2. +18
                22 February 2020 14: 42

                protoss (Alexander)
                adequate, of course, I don’t care about the Bashar and his rear-wheel-drive compatriots, but I take my children to the sea to Turkey (like several million fellow citizens) and this year I was going, I already took the vouchers. right now, Vova will again lead to "tomatoes", then a year later he will make up again, but me and people like me will have time to pay.
                It seems to me that you lost the key to the "fifth point" if you are resting in the camp of the enemy next to the boarding houses of the "barmaley". Such as you bring income to the country, which caused a lot of troubles to my ancestors. They bred people like you for money, call your wives "Natasha", and you swallow it all ... "adequate" ...
                1. -19
                  22 February 2020 15: 40
                  neither your ancestors nor your cuckold fantasies are interested. and I don’t need any advice on where to spend my money.
                2. -5
                  23 February 2020 21: 51
                  strange, "in the camp of the enemy," you say?
                  but our commander in chief called Erdogash a friend.
                  and who is lying?
                  I recently flew to the opening of the stream "to the enemy's camp,"
                  to embitter the old foe - any stupid person is ready and can!
                  and try to make a friend out of him, or at least a friend.
                  it will be more difficult
              3. +18
                22 February 2020 15: 30
                And for someone it’s up to you and your processes, I’m not going to Turkey personally and I should not confuse my personal coat with the state.
                1. -20
                  22 February 2020 15: 49
                  so and where you are not going to, nobody cares either.
                  my shirt is closer to me than the state with its servants.
                  and well, we wouldn’t intersect, but it’s constantly trying to get into my pocket.
                  1. +12
                    22 February 2020 16: 29
                    Quote: protoss
                    my shirt is closer to me than the state

                    And just because of the vouchers taken ... Trouble, trouble ... trouble.
                  2. +7
                    22 February 2020 20: 36
                    Quote: protoss
                    so and where you are not going to, nobody cares either.
                    my shirt is closer to me than the state with its servants.
                    and well, we wouldn’t intersect, but it’s constantly trying to get into my pocket.

                    I think the state would be quite happy if you refused to pay any taxes, but at the same time you didn’t apply for anything.
                    For example - robbed do not go to the police. The house is on fire - let it be on fire, they will not come. Heart attack? Oh well .... and so many challenges. Children to school - well, only for a fee. Etc.
                    1. -1
                      23 February 2020 13: 26
                      Quote: Grim Reaper
                      I think the state would be quite happy

                      I would be fine too
                    2. 0
                      23 February 2020 21: 44
                      let's just not talk about the police, etc., there are enough hydrocarbon revenues for all the security forces, but to feed efficient managers and megayachts to them, yes dogs on planes, yes palaces, and billions in cash, they raise taxes on this
                  3. 0
                    23 February 2020 07: 08
                    You will be the first to scream a pig when you find yourself hostage with the Turks with the children. Bggg.
                    1. -1
                      23 February 2020 13: 27
                      I didn’t hear something, a round, so that the Turks would take hostages in the last tomato war. I’m sure that they won’t do this either.
                2. -1
                  23 February 2020 22: 10
                  you probably have processes, but a person writes about his children!
                  and yes, you’ll write to the commander in chief so that you don’t go to Turkey, because you are not going there, otherwise he frequented, forgot, probably to ask permission.
                  and about "confusing wool", this song is outdated.
                  because, maybe in Europe it’s awful, but only there the bureaucrats of the deputies on Maybach do not drive around and fly economy class. because the citizens realized that the state belongs to the people, like wool, respectively.
                  and the budget is filled out of human pockets.
                  and to an official of ANY rank, every citizen can ask a question, where are the miles from and is it time for you to go to Turma?
                  and land registers in the public domain, everyone can see who owns any piece of land, when and how much is acquired.
                  then you won’t get sick and you won’t be confused.
              4. +10
                22 February 2020 17: 56
                Quote: protoss
                and the rest interests me a little.

                Just a RAT!
              5. +6
                22 February 2020 18: 01
                To whom it is completely unbearable to change the country of residence to a more prosperous one, raising the economy there and adhering to Western values. We live here, we have to tear off our ass and try to fix something. And so everyone in fact is waiting for a wizard friend to arrive in a blue helicopter. And I think Americans are no less outraged that jobs have been reduced due to the transfer of production to the same China. And the farmers of Finland, France and other countries are not very happy to show off their governments who have announced sanctions to Russia. Somehow I looked at the index of happiness, we have it 18.7 and the highest in Costa Rica is 44.7. We look at what there is in a country the size of the Voronezh region and the minimum wage for unskilled labor in 1000 rubles. However, it's too lazy to list who wants to find it himself. But happy! We have the same as always. The Tsar did not like the Bolsheviks either. Either from the father of the peoples "they were thrilled", then Khrushchev, Brezhnev and others. It's time to perceive what is happening with us as karma. It is impossible to understand Russia with the mind. Arshin cannot be measured by the general; She has a special become. You can only believe in Russia. And faith, as you know, does not need proof.
                1. -10
                  22 February 2020 19: 17
                  I would respect our new king if he had stuck in Syria, and paid some Chinese people to pay for the whole carbalet, together with the Syrian express, would have shipped all of Moscow and not only garbage and all kinds of nuclear waste, but also strangers there for a separate I took the fee, earned a lot of dough in the budget and on this basis canceled at least the transport tax.
                2. -1
                  23 February 2020 21: 49
                  yeah, referring to faith in the age of oligarchy, that's cool!
                  read how poor the people who are Russia are in a year and how rich the oligarchs are.
                  and, by the way, many of them still receive subsidies from the budget to support business and are officially exempted from taxes
              6. +5
                22 February 2020 18: 07
                One sentence for the whole paragraph. It's enchanting! Any sentence begins with a capital letter, a letter. And your passport are also written with a small letter? Respect the native language!
                1. +5
                  22 February 2020 19: 41
                  This is enchanting! Any offer begins with a capital letter, letters of honor. And your passport full name are also written with a small letter? Respect the native language!
                  It is not yet known what language he speaks, in Arabic, for example, there are no capital letters.
                2. -3
                  23 February 2020 15: 27
                  Literacy is written with two m respecting you ours.
                  1. 0
                    23 February 2020 16: 04
                    Learn Russian, a little respected troll! wassat And do not forget about punctuation marks.
          3. +4
            22 February 2020 12: 21
            Quote: protoss
            it would be more likely to already approve for the new constitution, so that this happiness never ends.

            Well here do not hesitate, we will unanimously prorefendim. Putin will not offer anything bad. He can’t eat-sleep, he thinks all about the people.
            1. +2
              22 February 2020 15: 34
              Then we'll finally live - "Okay, okay, kids, just give me a time,
              There will be a squirrel for you, there will be a whistle! "
            2. -3
              23 February 2020 22: 45
              some sort of slurred sarcasm.
              in vain so about the gdp.
              Have you read the changing articles of the Constitution?
              in my sensible changes
          4. 0
            22 February 2020 17: 18
            Katz offers to give up? Good to cry. In the evening, in the yards you can’t get through, everything is packed with cars. Well, yes, I agree, the costs of Syria are not small. So Belarus is sponsored by more than 100 billion for all the time, where is the return?
            1. -10
              22 February 2020 18: 03
              and where we finally can return at least from something, everywhere we get into some kind of loss. Erdogan, who is being held here for a sucker, helped Qatar, for which he received 15 yards to support his pants and a luxury Boeing. and our multi-guide?
              1. 0
                22 February 2020 18: 17
                I’m not the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service, like everyone else, I don’t have a complete picture. Let's try to assume that the purpose of our presence in Syria is to prevent the project of laying a pipeline with gas from Qatar to push Russia out of the European market. What will be the losses in this case?
                1. -6
                  22 February 2020 19: 06
                  and let's not assume nonsense, but look at the map, lay our tail to the nose, and understand that no Qatar-Europe pipe was ever planned (which, by the way, even the Assad admitted in an interview, blurted out foolishly without coordinating with the leadership), because 4 thousand km only to the borders of the EU it is already 120 bucks per thousand cubic meters only for transit, and even halfway the Qatari pipe goes through the sworn friends of the Saudis. laughter and only, but for our telezombies prokanet.
                  1. +1
                    22 February 2020 21: 14
                    Great! One nonsense less. Sound your conclusions about the interests of Russia in the Middle East, and in particular in Syria, or should telezombies not know this?
                    1. -2
                      23 February 2020 13: 30
                      voiced if they were. but, in my opinion, people in the Kremlin are poorly aware of what bv. I remember how gdp was surprised to learn that some Turkomans live in Syria. with such awareness there can be no talk of planning.
            2. -1
              22 February 2020 19: 26
              Only a beggar (!) And an illiterate liberoid can evaluate a car as a symbol of prosperity and prosperity: without a vehicle, an individual can easily become impoverished and with his family go away from this world, or go broke on transportation costs with the same result ...
          5. 0
            23 February 2020 02: 37
            had a fight with Belarus
            I did it right! Stop wiping them snot ... Let the Crimea recognize and do not flirt with the Poles!
            with the Turks start a war game
            Well, let’s say now pushing the best moment to the Turks ... pintoses will not come running to them, they are in a quarrel, the Jews will not help much either, therefore they have nowhere to go ... dumb and give ...
            because of the poor homosexual sectarians, from whom the same expenses

            Then I look that the Turks and the Americans can’t get away from the country of these beggars ... It’s also visible that they are playing nobility, they protect the poor and the unfortunate, but that’s the knights!
          6. 0
            23 February 2020 06: 51
            What are you smoking?
      2. +56
        22 February 2020 04: 49
        Our Su-24 left from under the blow! And in return - Turkish equipment was disposed of!
        Well done Pilots, themselves alive and saved the plane!
        1. +3
          22 February 2020 04: 52
          I’m afraid that saturation of air defense will happen abruptly. Until our first downed. And there trampled not to understand what.
          The main thing is why the Turkish Stream was built? He already has a payback of 50 years! We do not pay off! And in the event of a confrontation with Turkey - "they just threw out the money"
          1. +25
            22 February 2020 05: 06
            There is still a nuclear station and without our fuel elements it will not work. And the Turkish stream without our gas will not work. I realized you really want Russia to be so bad ... Guessed?
            1. +17
              22 February 2020 08: 18
              But he does not understand that Russia will still raise dough for servicing nuclear power plants. And Turkish companies and other investors of different sorts participated in the construction of a gas pipe branch in Turkey. And they will not let ruin the project
              1. +4
                22 February 2020 08: 39
                Do not pay childish thinking to this. DO NOT buy groceries in the store, these products "TORGASH raises the loot". Well, children who will go through SCHOOL on android, even by SMS.
              2. +11
                22 February 2020 09: 53
                Quote: Stalllker
                There is still a nuclear station without our fuel elements she will not work. And the Turkish stream without our gas will not work.

                Quote: Stalllker
                But he does not understand that Russia will still raise dough for servicing nuclear power plants.

                Akkuyu NPP after its commissioning and until the moment of complete shutdown and dismantling will be property of the Russian Federation. It is built on the principle of "build - own - operate", "build - own - operate."

                Therefore, if it "does not work", then it will only be bad for the owners. It's the same with streams. The Turks do not lose anything, but we have become hostages, having given billions of dollars in value to our eternal geopolitical rival.
                1. +8
                  22 February 2020 10: 45
                  what epic nonsense ... don't they lose? you by education who forgive? not an economist by chance? if so then I am sorry for your organization. and if not, why write about what you have no idea at all? why in our country are a lot of people who understand everything at once? soccer players are taught to play and economists count? here they understand everything. at the same time, sometimes such wild and fierce nonsense is written that it’s already ridiculous to read. We became hostages equally as any company in the world implementing its projects in another country. but of course we are the hostages.
                  1. 0
                    22 February 2020 11: 15
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    what epic nonsense

                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    wild and fierce nonsense

                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    Why write about what you have no idea at all?

                    Sorry to hurt your tender strings!

                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    we became hostages equally

                    Do not be unfounded, show it.

                    Turks can now replace gas with other flows (TANAP for example). According to Akkuy, in addition to being in Russian ownership, no financial obligations from Turkey, it is not clear, will there be electricity demand NPP, as the station is located near the resort area of ​​Antalya, where there are no large industrial enterprises.
                    In any case, if we talk about Turkish costs - Turks lose a lot lessthan Russia.
                    1. +8
                      22 February 2020 12: 03
                      oh yes what does it all have to do with it. you made so many statements at the same time quite a simple question, who are you by profession? Well, to understand your competence in these matters? Do you have any international projects? Or maybe you are a leading specialist of Rosatom? Or maybe you are the top from Gazprom? who would you make such statements? You are now trying to learn how to work as one of the world leaders in the construction and operation of nuclear power plants. Do you even hear yourself at least sometimes? The portfolio of foreign projects includes 36 NPP units, 6 units are being built in Russia. Revenues of more than a trillion per year. and then a man appears on the pages of VO who knows everything about everything and begins to criticize such a business monster. it's not just funny. it looks so ridiculous that even confuses.
                      1. -6
                        22 February 2020 12: 09
                        Revenues ... more than a trillion a year? Will you show how much of this in the Budget? You will not find it! You do not confuse the country's proceeds with someone’s pocket!
                        About Turkish1 Stream still tell! Project payback with 4 branches 47 years! 4 threads will not be. Will it pay off?
                        1. +6
                          22 February 2020 12: 17
                          in the first, revenue cannot go to the budget by definition. all the same, we must distinguish it from income. I’ll repeat about the flow, how many international projects have you carried out in your life? Well, what would you talk about payback? I’m not a single one and therefore do not make such statements and always proceed from the conclusions of the pros in these areas. Are you from them?
                        2. -11
                          22 February 2020 12: 21
                          Am I one of them? Don't make me laugh with your nonsense. They wrote to you in Russian "Turkish Stream with 4 project branches - payback period of 47 years" .. IS THIS OK? Why are you announcing the proceeds of the NPP "not with us" - are they helping out in rubles? Trillion in rubles? Zero rubles, zero kopecks to the budget. To whom did this proceeds go?
                        3. +3
                          22 February 2020 12: 32
                          Well, okay. another of the caste, I know everything about everything. you even ignore basic questions. I’ll ask again, how can you judge the payback period without understanding anything about it? someone tried to explain to you that world practice in this topic and large projects is sometimes decades? the term of 7-10 years is generally minimal. As for Rosatom’s revenue, financial documents are available for anyone and annual reports. difficult to learn? Well, for example, Rosatom paid 16 yards to the budget in 125. and I repeat, revenue is not transferred to the budget.
                        4. -5
                          22 February 2020 15: 11
                          125 yards of POP! And in general, what does ROSATOM have to do with it? I talked about the Turkish stream ... What questions? Essentially no payback and at a loss have something to say? No? Why are you asking questions?
                        5. +4
                          22 February 2020 15: 12
                          Why are you announcing the proceeds of the NPP "not with us" - are they helping out in rubles? Trillion in rubles? Zero rubles, zero kopecks to the budget. To whom did this proceeds go? you at least write yourself, read something)))
                        6. +1
                          23 February 2020 00: 35
                          Already boiling ... Not the first year I read IN ... SILENT

                          Interesting news ... the plane left, you think right now people will put forward interesting thoughts about the situation, still IN. Who launched the missiles, how he actually left (in theory): he simply gained height, traps, some sort of maneuvering, etc. How can this affect the use of our aviation, etc. Good comments are like a continuation of the material, but NO, then comes the spam of several paranoiacs for conspiracies, the economy, everywhere Putin, Ukraine, Israel are some sort of. The people, if there is nothing to write, then most likely Putin is not to blame. And it’s not so complicated, as many paranoid people say, they will still spoil light, interesting to read material with some kind of water with numbers taken from the air, not PPC.
                        7. +2
                          25 February 2020 23: 45
                          But do not need to silently read! It is necessary - to state your thoughts! hi
                        8. 0
                          25 February 2020 23: 41
                          Well done! Well answered! There are a lot of sofa couchs here ... hi
                      2. -2
                        22 February 2020 15: 28
                        In the USSR, too, critics did not like. Built, all over the world, for a great life. No one has repaid debts. The country flew into the chimney and fell apart.
                      3. +1
                        22 February 2020 16: 32
                        Dmitry ran out of arguments and he could not confirm his words, so he goes on to personality:
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        you made so many statements at the same time a very simple question-who are you by profession?

                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        you drive some international projects? or maybe you are a leading specialist Rosatom? can you are top from Gazprom?

                        Me not. And you? Why do you forbid me to express your opinion? I would understand if you yourself worked at Rosatom!

                        Dmitry do not wig aside, answer the question on the topic, and do not get personal.
                        1. +1
                          22 February 2020 18: 26
                          I asked you very specific questions. to which you did not want to answer me for some reason. without these, the answer is something reasoned to write to you, I'm sorry stupid. You can write an opinion about anything and it is your right. and I can ask you questions about your competence in these matters. for it is quite logical. but if you are a locksmith for example, maybe it’s worth it to be more modest and not give an assessment of the work of people about which you do not have knowledge? and if you have them, then I am quite glad to hear a competent person and learn his professional opinion in order to learn something new.
                  2. +2
                    22 February 2020 17: 59
                    soccer players are taught to play and economists count

                    Well, we know our players ... And economists are even worse than those ...
                2. +6
                  22 February 2020 11: 40
                  So what???? We can all read Vika, but understanding this information is a completely different matter.
                3. +4
                  22 February 2020 16: 52
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Turks lose nothing

                  Turks lose, for example, the opportunity to earn on the resale of gas.
                4. +1
                  22 February 2020 17: 56
                  Satanovsky calculated that with the timely delivery of the nuclear power plant, we will receive the first ruble in 2030, and 90% of the personnel will be Turks.
                  1. +1
                    3 March 2020 15: 04
                    I still think that you do not get in rubles
                    Maximum in hryvnias
            2. +2
              22 February 2020 08: 46
              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              There is still a nuclear station and without our fuel elements it will not work. And the Turkish stream without our gas will not work. I realized you really want Russia to be so bad ... Guessed?

              Firstly, the nuclear power plant is just under construction, and as experience of the same Ukraine shows, Westengauz is capable of replacing our TVELs now.
              Of course, Turkish Stream itself is not, but the rest of the infrastructure built from Turkey to Europe may well work without it ... and we invested a lot of money there ...
              1. +6
                22 February 2020 09: 34
                Of course you can replace, only no guarantees
              2. +3
                22 February 2020 10: 10
                Quote: svp67
                and as experience in Ukraine itself shows, Westengauz is capable of replacing our TVELs right now.


                Well, yes ... It can be clearly seen from the Rivne and South-Ukrainian NPPs. How many are they already there for "planned" repairs?
                1. +2
                  22 February 2020 10: 32
                  Quote: ™ Ramzes ™
                  It is clearly seen from the Rivne and South-Ukrainian NPPs. How many are they already there for "planned" repairs?

                  But in general the reactor flew to Khmelnitsky, wad forgotten in the cooling system. You understand their reactors for the third decade, at least they worked, plus a sharp drop in the level of staff training, which incidentally touched us a bit. And the Turkish NPP is new, there is a lot of things done better
              3. +3
                22 February 2020 10: 53
                On March 29, 2017, Westinghouse Electric filed bankruptcy documents with the court. Following the results of last year, the company suffered tremendous losses, and the issue of its reorganization is currently being decided. Westinghouse Electric has not fulfilled the obligation to build four power units in the United States. In particular, over the past months, the owners of two power units under construction at Vogtle NPP (Georgia) had to hurriedly search for new general contractors. As a result, the deadlines for putting objects into operation have moved. In June, it became known that work at Vogtle NPP would be performed by another American company - Southern Co. - for $ 3,68 billion. Westinghouse Electric's problems have been accumulating for more than a year and are primarily associated with serious technical miscalculations and systematic breakdowns in the construction of power units of two nuclear power plants in the United States. they are not capable and it is a matter of their survival. the owner of Toshiba turned off all projects. Ukraine is now essentially the only place in the world that is capable of at least an attempt to resuscitate this company. but there is no money ...
                1. +1
                  22 February 2020 19: 55
                  If I’m not mistaken, then 50% of southern co belongs to the dewy.
              4. -5
                22 February 2020 12: 30
                Quote: svp67
                .a money we invested there and not small ...

                I don’t know, I didn’t invest. Maybe you invested. Then I sympathize.
              5. SSR
                0
                22 February 2020 17: 35
                Quote: svp67
                Westengauz is capable of replacing our TVELs right now.

                Comrade, you fell out of the atomic sphere))))
                In March 2017, Westinghouse Electric Company filed for bankruptcy. At the end of 2016, the company had obligations of $ 9,8 billion and the inability to fulfill them due to the lack of contracts [28].
                1. +1
                  22 February 2020 18: 06
                  Quote from S.S.R.
                  Comrade, you fell out of the atomic sphere))))

                  Alas, you just did not understand the question.
                  What does bankruptcy mean? US law, in particular the Bankruptcy Code, allows debt to continue to operate almost normally in the presence of arrears. According to Chapter 11, it is required to file an application with the court, and then the business entity is protected from any adverse legal actions for him. A reorganization plan must be attached, subject to approval by the court and by the majority of owners and creditors. Legal and financial opportunities, however, are narrowing.
                  They did all this and KEEP on, increasing the supply of assemblies to Ukraine
            3. +1
              22 February 2020 13: 49
              the station is being built at our expense and money will be returned only from profits from the sale of electricity, so that the Turks on the drum. And the pipe is at our expense and they have already reduced the purchase of gas by 40 percent in favor of Azeris. And I understand, you are an ostrich, put your head in the sand and do not want to see anything?
              1. +2
                22 February 2020 14: 47
                Of course, Turkey will live perfectly without reselling gas and electricity, without developing gas processing in new gas chemical plants, without joining a club of countries with nuclear energy, etc.
                In general, you can live without everything, the only question is how, and what place in the world to claim
                By the way, Turkey still wants a spaceport, and very much.
                All of these large projects benefit both Russia and Turkey, and no one is blocking anyone, everything will be fine

                The USSR in Turkey built metallurgical plants and oil refineries, they still work
                1. +1
                  22 February 2020 19: 06
                  Quote: 16329
                  Of course, Turkey will live perfectly without reselling gas and electricity, without developing gas processing in new gas chemical plants, without joining a club of countries with nuclear energy, etc.


                  + At least one sensible person, lighted up the hysteria
          2. +15
            22 February 2020 05: 51
            This is geopolitics !!! When Turkey's industry is on the gas needle, then Russia will twist its arms. And then, the same military clashes "not officially" !!!
            1. -14
              22 February 2020 07: 27
              One current, BUT, and TP and nuclear power plants are built on our grandmas and we need to return them.
              1. +8
                22 February 2020 08: 06
                NPP on credit! I think no need to explain to you what credit is ???? And the price for gas for consumers in Europe already includes the price for transit and various risks
                1. -3
                  22 February 2020 08: 08
                  Alexei, what a manner to address strangers to you. I know what credit is, read about this nuclear power plant. Rosatom pays a lot over the hill for loans from the Russian Federation.
                  1. -5
                    22 February 2020 09: 29
                    When you are "two" then I will address you in the plural "YOU". Well, since you know that then you write nonsense
                  2. -1
                    22 February 2020 10: 04
                    In general, there are languages ​​where you are, it is natural to communicate with opponents, but you are only with very old ones, over 70 years old, for example, Finnish, Estonian, Mordovian, Mari, .... Ask who your opponent is .... it would be bad to know at least something about your country, and not cut off the shoulder that all "Martians" ... Best regards.
                    1. -4
                      22 February 2020 11: 28
                      I've been talking to YOU ​​all my life, and I don’t need to instill your manners here. If a person turns to YOU, this is not an indicator of no respect. You can also contact YOU by wiping your feet on a person
                      1. -1
                        23 February 2020 08: 09
                        Quote: Stalllker
                        I've been talking to YOU ​​all my life, and I don’t need to instill your manners here. If a person turns to YOU, this is not an indicator of no respect. You can also contact YOU by wiping your feet on a person

                        How similar to Lukashenko. Complete disregard for the interlocutor.
                        Hamlo cattle ...
              2. 0
                22 February 2020 17: 59
                NPP built !?
            2. +1
              22 February 2020 07: 45
              You’re ridiculous .. As long as we get our hands twisted ... Both with SP2, and with transit through the ruin.
              1. +3
                22 February 2020 08: 13
                Dogs bark, the caravan goes
                1. -8
                  22 February 2020 11: 16
                  and what part of this aphorism refers to you?
                  1. +2
                    22 February 2020 11: 23
                    And what have you and me to do with it? Dogs in the person of Poles and Ukrainians bark, Russia still goes to its goal. Or did you decide that the dog is you?
                    1. -2
                      22 February 2020 11: 24
                      hi Have a nice and busy day.
                      1. +7
                        22 February 2020 11: 48
                        You too
              2. -1
                22 February 2020 15: 07
                Quote: 210ox
                .While our hands are being twisted with gas ... Both with SP2 and with transit through the ruin

                In light of the events of recent days, it seems to me that something is missing something in the big picture, and there isn’t enough news that the European Union has been wary and has begun to calculate the risks about JV 2. That is, they were going to gas the prospect is almost in abundance, and here you have SP-2, which they are trying to boycott with the whole world and sabotage sabotage for Russia, it may turn out that their energy sector will be protected from possible troubles similar to those organized by Ukraine and us. What I want to say a lot of noise, vociferous words too, it hurts everything seems like a theater of the absurd. Director in Russia, conductor in Turkey? I’m probably mistaken, it hurts all tricky. Although why not Erdogan play along with Putin?
            3. +4
              22 February 2020 08: 31
              Turkey will sit on a gas needle, then Russia will twist her arms.
              A lot of Ukraine twisted?
              1. +1
                22 February 2020 09: 30
                All that is possible, they are beggars
                1. +2
                  22 February 2020 10: 34
                  All that the Americans pulled out.
                  And we catch spit after spit and hope for dialogue.
                  Beggars before 2014 gas was cheaper than the Russians and food is three times cheaper, all the fools in the mirror from the 91st
                  And then they are sitting on the sofa "crane cutters" with a minimum wage of 11800r and 7000tr monthly for central heating and 150-300tr in order to connect the house to gas to a pipe 5 meters away, and this is the LEADER IN GAS EXPORT in the country, look in a zombie box like theirs bad and how good it is with us
                  1. +1
                    22 February 2020 11: 28
                    Oh, oh, oh, the heat started
                  2. +1
                    22 February 2020 11: 30
                    For 300 tons I’ll buy a good boiler and for the delivery of coal for 100 years
                    1. 0
                      22 February 2020 18: 02
                      A good boiler needs good coal; from my own experience this is a problem!
                      1. +1
                        23 February 2020 01: 28
                        Ordinary coal, the main thing is not dust
                    2. 0
                      23 February 2020 23: 03
                      That's right, they explain to you the same thing, that in the country - the largest gas exporter, the prices for connecting CITIZENS to gas are absolutely unrealistic, especially against the background of a low standard of living.
                      and you, coal boiler)
                      1. 0
                        24 February 2020 02: 00
                        And what does the COUNTRY and PRIVATE COMMERCIAL ORGANIZATIONS have to do with it? who connect YOUR house to the GAS they bought from the STATE and sell YOU ????! Now we have not specialized, but capitalism "MAN TO MAN WOLF !!!" ABOUT THE SR ALI A COUNTRY WHERE IT WAS EVERYTHING FOR FREE OR ALMOST EVERYTHING, AND NOW LOOK FOR THE GUILTY. As for coal, this is cheaper than gas, and if we proceed from the economic benefits, then it is simply cheaper than heating with gas, heating, etc. If you are talking about a low standard of living. Locked topic
            4. -4
              22 February 2020 09: 10
              Quote: Stalllker
              When the Turkish industry sits on a gas needle, then Russia will twist its arms.

              when Turkish industry sits on a gas needle, then another industrial giant, the largest on the African continent, will appear near Russia, and with its capabilities will be the hegemon on the African continent
              1. +5
                22 February 2020 09: 31
                But what's wrong when our partners are industrially developed ??? And they will never become a giant
                1. +1
                  22 February 2020 10: 43
                  Quote: Stalllker
                  And they will never become a giant

                  when we despised China ........
                  1. +2
                    22 February 2020 11: 33
                    And why did you despise him ???? See how ordinary Chinese and their provinces live. And their external debt is already 160% of GDP, the guys have taken the path of the United States, I wish them good luck. Let's see how much they will owe the world in 20 years. Living on credit is not the best policy.
                    1. +2
                      22 February 2020 12: 14
                      The Chinese have long stopped traveling to Russia to work in large numbers. ZP minuscule! What are you talking about?
                      What are the Chinese there? Argentina Great country? There pensions starting at $ 300 start. The minimum salary is slightly higher than this amount. Can you patriotically explain why we have less than less in some countries in Africa who will teach millions of workers?
                      1. +4
                        22 February 2020 13: 01
                        Up to $ 300)))) they have urban pensioners and rural, rural pennies receive, as it was in the USSR at one time. And then, since 2014, they have so, before that only state employees and civil servants have received. My parents have 20t each and still work because they don’t want to sit at home. Every two years they go abroad to rest. Go your fables to another audience rub
                        1. +1
                          22 February 2020 14: 15
                          You already decide whether they work or go on vacation. Life is not infinite. And not Muscovites who have a minimum of 19.5? And put a candle. That they have health, it happens overnight. And I know some who barely drag their legs and all work to help the kids.
                        2. +5
                          22 February 2020 14: 23
                          And what is determined ??? Do not working people go on vacation ??? What do you use?
                          And in all, not from Moscow, but from Siberia. Well, if moral children live with their parents and retire, then this is their problem, the children and parents who raised them that way. And the health of anyone can end overnight, for example, under the wheels of a car.
                        3. -4
                          22 February 2020 15: 12
                          300 dollars what was said?
                        4. +5
                          22 February 2020 15: 25
                          About nothing, I live in Russia, we have rubles and prices in rubles. When there will be dollars and prices in them, then we will talk about it. The topic is closed.
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                        6. +8
                          22 February 2020 19: 19
                          Quote: Stalllker
                          About nothing, I live in Russia, we have rubles and prices in rubles. When there will be dollars and prices in them, then we will talk about it. The topic is closed.

                          Truthfully and categorically smile I see you are fighting off annoying flies here. I have a fly swatter from them, but unfortunately I do not have time. That heat, then again maggot, according to temperature and other unsanitary conditions. request
                        7. +2
                          23 February 2020 01: 32
                          They are all lucky in front of screens, but in life ....
                      2. +2
                        22 February 2020 18: 04
                        Argentina is not a good example, inflation is huge
                    2. +5
                      22 February 2020 17: 35
                      Quote: Stalllker
                      And why did you despise him ???? See how ordinary Chinese and their provinces live. And their external debt is already 160% of GDP, the guys have taken the path of the United States, I wish them good luck. Let's see how much they will owe the world in 20 years. Living on credit is not the best policy.

                      They didn’t follow the American path - the US debt of 2/3 to its own citizens ensures its largest purchasing power in the American market. The same States with the EU provide the Chinese with work - in about 20 years - yes, the Chinese will already produce 80% of their own and, possibly, will get even more debt.
                      1. +2
                        23 February 2020 01: 47
                        And how does the purchasing power of the population provide public debt ???? laughing Can you explain the US phenomenon on your fingers?
                        1. +6
                          23 February 2020 01: 57
                          1) Usually - if I have a population of 300 million snouts, of which 180 million work, the average salary is 4500 thousand tanks a month - they give me money in debt - because employment and salaries are high, credit history is not bad, and I am the most coveted client.
                          If I do not have debts and the average salary of 90 tanks per 600 million working population, then no one will give me dough after saving my savings if necessary - I am not creditworthy)).
                          2) Kindly hi
                        2. +2
                          23 February 2020 05: 00
                          I can’t rzhu))))))))))) China is also actively lending, and people, compared to the numbers that you indicated, get a penny there. Your formula does not work
                        3. +4
                          23 February 2020 08: 09
                          laughing
                          There, it seems, the minimum salary of 45 thousand is approximately set or 750 tanks per month, the working population of 700 million will be ...))
                          Count
                        4. +3
                          23 February 2020 08: 11
                          Yes, I do not fucking count your assumptions
                        5. +5
                          23 February 2020 08: 12
                          An exhaustive answer! hi
                          Happy Holidays! soldier
                  2. -1
                    23 February 2020 23: 04
                    China helped, freed and assisted.
                    what contempt are we talking about, please read more
            5. 0
              22 February 2020 10: 37
              Quote: Stalllker
              This is geopolitics !!! When the Turkish industry sits on a gas needle, then Russia will twist its arms.

              So far, only with all these gas pipes have our hands twisted.
              1. +6
                22 February 2020 13: 05
                Where? The supply volume is only increasing! How is it that they twist our hands?)))
              2. +5
                22 February 2020 16: 08
                Quote: Gritsa
                So far, only with all these gas pipes are we twisting our hands

                Turks? What are you? At your leisure, try twisting the arms of a campaign that sells electricity to your home.
            6. +1
              22 February 2020 22: 56
              then, Europe, SCH Gazprom Gazprom unscrews his hands, so that the profit itself fell))
              1. 0
                23 February 2020 01: 50
                Profits in 2019 fell due to a decrease in gas consumption this year, temperature indicators were higher! In short, the heat was less burned gas. I am sure that coal companies in Russia also have such problems and they did not make a profit
          3. -7
            22 February 2020 08: 01
            The main thing is why the Turkish stream was built?

            A cunning plan and a multi-door you yourself know who. But in the end they lowered the money to the WC. This is my opinion.
          4. +2
            22 February 2020 08: 35
            otherwise why did they build the Turkish stream? He already has a payback of 50 years!

            Don’t worry, even with a successful scenario, it’s just Miller’s income, even if tomorrow people don’t make a profit, even 50kop of gas will not be thrown off
          5. -14
            22 February 2020 09: 05
            you don’t drive a blizzard here, we’ll drive into the Istanbul tanks by the pipeline, checkmate and Erdogan, unnoticed by this pipeline.
            1. +6
              22 February 2020 09: 36
              Good grass
        2. +17
          22 February 2020 04: 54
          Modern jet aircraft from MANPADS have long been difficult to cover. The question is - why did one fly again, and if they flew in a pair, why, according to the outpost, didn’t hit the object from which they launched the MANPADS?
          1. +26
            22 February 2020 04: 59
            I think in a telephone conversation yesterday, Putin and Erdogan also discussed this incident! Well, the answer for the Su-24 attack ... burnt down Turkish Tanks - which we were discussing on another branch ... There, the Su-24, worked effectively on Turkish technology.
            1. +16
              22 February 2020 05: 01
              Yes, I understand that, it’s just always beating at the source of anti-aircraft fire - the plane is expensive, pilot training is also not cheap, so people are always punished for firing at aircraft.
              1. +5
                22 February 2020 10: 40
                Later, the Russian Aerospace Forces worked at the Turkish post in Kminas in response to an attempt to bring down their plane. It was this incident that entailed the death of two Turkish troops, according to the Syrian media.
          2. +8
            22 February 2020 05: 20
            Question - why did one fly again
            Our MO after an air strike reported that the Su-24 took off accompanied by fighters.
            Regarding the launch from MANPADS. Today in news programs it was said that assumptions about the use of MANPADS by Turkish military units were not ruled out.
            1. +12
              22 February 2020 05: 22
              Turks themselves will not risk it - they have a proxy for this
              And once again - they always punish for shooting at aviation
              1. +3
                22 February 2020 05: 26
                So why exactly the assumption was made, and taking into account the previously voiced information that the Turks supplied the bandits with the uniform of the Turkish army.
                1. +10
                  22 February 2020 05: 27
                  There among the proxies (Turkamans) are probably full of Turkish specialists
                  1. 0
                    22 February 2020 10: 43
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    There among the proxies (Turkamans) are probably full of Turkish specialists

                    I wonder what language they communicate with each other? In Arabic or Turkish? Or maybe in the language of a common friend and host?
                    1. +5
                      22 February 2020 10: 45
                      Quote: Gritsa

                      I wonder what language they communicate with each other? In Arabic or Turkish? Or maybe in the language of a common friend and host?

                      Turkamans, in theory, speak Turkish. "The common owner" is arming the Kurds against the Turks)),
                      1. +1
                        22 February 2020 11: 18
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Turkamans, in theory, speak Turkish

                        Looked at the ethnic map of Syria. In Idlib, it turns out, there are very few Turkoman. They are all in the neighboring Turkish province of Hatay. Come in large numbers?
                        Unfortunately, the map could not be downloaded.
                        1. +4
                          22 February 2020 11: 35
                          Local radicals + come in large numbers + Turkish specialists + Arabs who have joined from other Barmalei
              2. -1
                22 February 2020 14: 20
                to punish, you need to detect the source. I do not think that the sky is teeming with our free hunters. Videos appear on the network, so they didn’t punish or not those
            2. +2
              22 February 2020 09: 23
              Quote: rotmistr60
              the assumption of the use of MANPADS by Turkish military units is not excluded.

              sources report that missile launch on a Russian combat aircraft was carried out from the territory of the recently erected Turkish checkpoint, which indicates the fact that it was the Turkish army that was involved in the destruction of two Syrian military helicopters and the damage of another.

              The Russian side has not yet commented on the incident, however, it is reported that immediately after the attack, in the area from which the anti-aircraft missile was launched, a powerful blow was dealt.

              It should be clarified that previously it was reported about the shelling of Russian and Syrian military helicopters and aircraft using anti-aircraft installations, however, in recent years, a rocket was fired into a Russian aircraft for the first time.

              If the information that Turkey tried to bring down the Russian bomber is confirmed, then Moscow can finally break all agreements with Turkey in Syria, since the Russian plane did not violate the borders of Turkish airspace, and Ankara was previously warned about the seriousness of any provocations.
              Read more at: http://avia.pro/news/turciya-popytalas-sbit-rossiyskiy-su-24-bombardirovshchik-vks-s-trudom-ushyol-ot-rakety-video
          3. +8
            22 February 2020 05: 52
            I have another question, why is the drying so low, what can I get with MANPADS ???!
            1. +6
              22 February 2020 06: 05
              I have another question, why is the drying so low, what can I get with MANPADS ???!

              Most likely it’s not low, they’d definitely get it, the Su-24 is not the plane that will leave the MANPADS without consequences
              1. +4
                22 February 2020 06: 15
                Is not a fact
                There are traps, there are basic techniques for avoiding such missiles and even air-to-air missiles with such a machine as the Su-24
                1. +5
                  22 February 2020 06: 25
                  Is not a fact
                  There are traps, there are basic techniques for avoiding such missiles and even air-to-air missiles with such a machine as the Su-24

                  This is all there, but everything is exactly in serious doubt that it is not the SU-34 that can turn turns. There are only traps to count on height
                  But if there really were three MANPADS, then no traps would save, only a quick climb. Well, since it was possible to crank this up, it means not so low and the car flew. And what's the point of substituting the SU-24 pilot and descending too low over the territory where every third barmaley has a stinger?
                  1. +6
                    22 February 2020 06: 33
                    The bearded ones will also not just shoot into the air, so there were prerequisites
                  2. -7
                    22 February 2020 07: 20
                    Duck Su-24 is high and does not fly like
                    1. +1
                      22 February 2020 13: 58
                      Quote: Slon379
                      Duck Su-24 is high and does not fly like

                      after the Su-2018 was shot down from MANPADS in Idlib in February 25, the aircraft were ordered to fly at an altitude of more than 5 thousand meters, which avoids the fire of portable anti-aircraft missile systems
                  3. 0
                    22 February 2020 10: 45
                    Quote: stepka_razin
                    And what's the point of substituting the SU-24 pilot and descending too low over the territory where every third barmaley has a stinger?

                    Therefore, probably, it is not audible that the Rooks and our attack helicopters were working on them.
            2. +3
              22 February 2020 10: 20
              Well, as far as I understood from the messages of the Ministry of Defense, they tried to get the "drying" at the exit from the combat approach on the climb.
          4. +3
            22 February 2020 10: 40
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Modern jet aircraft from MANPADS have long been difficult to cover. The question is - why did one fly again, and if they flew in a pair, why, according to the outpost, didn’t hit the object from which they launched the MANPADS?

            Because again the same rake.
            And about the "punched in", there was infa that it was precisely for these comrades that they were punched. So they're all taller than that plane now - in heaven.
            1. +5
              22 February 2020 12: 55
              Gd give it to be so
          5. +1
            22 February 2020 12: 24
            They cut in, cut in. The video shows the building on the red roof of the mattress. So this is the position from which the MANPADS were fired.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=5ZSo9aZz-z4&feature=emb_logo
        3. +14
          22 February 2020 06: 22
          Quote: ANIMAL
          Our Su-24 left from under the blow!
          Like this. and the pilot didn’t even expect an attack. An automatic missile attack warning system worked, with the release of heat traps. And although rockets could not reach him, he went at an altitude of more than 5 km, but there was certainly excitement. And again the Turkoman as with the shot down Su -24 Peshkova. In my opinion, they still owe them, we need to take on them for real.

          1. -6
            22 February 2020 15: 17
            To undertake Turkomanov? Yeah ... yeah ... only this is the Turks ..... anyway, the Russians in the Crimea or on the Donbas are for us. What will you explain to the Turks about this?
            1. +2
              22 February 2020 17: 34
              Quote: 1970mk
              What will you explain to the Turks about this?

              They’ve already explained so !!!. The F-16 pilot who shot down the Su-24 was arrested and we don’t know where it is now, but it’s not free, because he participated in a military coup against Erdogan. And the shooter who shot and lit up was arrested. Well and you’ve probably already seen about the processing of the slopes of the Jebel al-Turkman mountains by Grads, as well as the liquidation of Turkoman militants there at that time. Yes, they see him. https://vk.com/video-34763916_171450403
        4. +5
          22 February 2020 08: 39
          The question is why there is no photo of all three points plowed by art?
          1. +1
            22 February 2020 10: 47
            Quote: SanSanych Gusev
            The question is why there is no photo of all three points plowed by art?

            Good question. I also want a photo in the studio
        5. 0
          22 February 2020 10: 29

          Here is such a mess ((
      3. +1
        22 February 2020 21: 48
        The spread of MANPADS is very much monitored. There are certain rules for the supply of various kinds of weapons to the broads. Automatic weapons, ammunition, explosives are still possible, but the means of destruction of combat aircraft are tightly attached. and if someone decided to deliver the PZRK to the broads, then some Taliban would soon be running with needles and arrows. and if this is Turkey, once again decided to land our Su 24, then already for this it is necessary to wet.
    2. 0
      22 February 2020 06: 28
      However, the barmaley changed the form, and the weapon? They prefer Kalash, the Turks have a different shooter ...
      Drying was lucky. It was high enough, did not get MANPADS.
      1. +5
        22 February 2020 11: 32
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        They prefer Kalash, the Turks have a different shooter ...

        Yes there is such an assortment ... fellow For example, in the photo of usharmannye barmaley their cold hands squeeze both M16 and AK.
    3. +7
      22 February 2020 06: 34
      I was always annoyed by articles of this nature:
      Shot from different angles: details of the MANPADS attack on the Russian Su-24 bomber

      citing as evidence (the first video) a video out of 8:39 minutes of time which was devoted to the start of MANPADS 0:07 seconds of time with a visible reverse trace in the amount of one ... What is the basis for the entire explanation of the article? In this water with waving hands and screaming people in military uniforms in an incomprehensible language? Again there are site rules:
      f) With all due respect to other languages, the language of communication in the comments to published articles is Russian ...

      What can we discuss after watching such videos?
      And assumptions from inferences like:
      Quote: ANIMAL
      I think in a telephone conversation yesterday, Putin and Erdogan also discussed this incident! Well, the answer for the Su-24 attack ... burnt down Turkish Tanks - which we were discussing on another branch ... There, the Su-24, worked effectively on Turkish technology.

      Real INCIDENT from the "OBS" area.
      I will return to the article:
      Attempt to destroy the Su-24 VKS bomber attracted increased public attention, the press and analysts viewing this event from different angles.

      This was not widely publicized in the media, but provided increased attention to the users of the VO site. And the main questions on this occasion can be expressed in one word:
      DOCLE?
      There are some norms and procedures for delivering bombing attacks. Why is Israeli aircraft
      “Can” hide their involvement in such facts, and does our aviation act on the verge of a foul? What is it? Such a “tricky” tactic or occasion for statements:
      Well done Pilots, themselves alive and saved the plane!

      Yes, the conduct of hostilities initially involves damage to the enemy’s manpower and equipment while maintaining their own forces and assets. I get the impression of some “chance” of such events. I see neither coherence, nor calculated suddenness here.
      Frankly, such an application of the Russian aerospace forces (for what significant goals ???) has already yielded deplorable results and to continue them in a similar way, giving the enemy “at least a small chance” - is ill-conceived.
      For me in such cases there is nothing more valuable than the lives of the Russian military. AND:
      “Someone shot. Strelnul - missed ”- not our method. Let it be better: "I did not have time to shoot."
      Yes
      1. +6
        22 February 2020 11: 34
        Quote: ROSS 42
        DOCLE?

        laughing laughing laughing Hitherto. Yes
        1. -1
          22 February 2020 12: 56
          So to Toli or to Kolya ??? wink
    4. +1
      22 February 2020 06: 56
      The Turks, in fact, twice warned ... they frightened the drying and Khmeimim from the MLRS fired .... we are just a step away from the military conflict ..
      1. +8
        22 February 2020 11: 37
        Quote: Dave36
        The Turks, in fact, twice warned ... they frightened the drying and Khmeimim from the MLRS fired ....

        Then, almost on the same day, their proxies (with an arrival on a tangent to the Turks themselves) were distributed by the videoconferencing. As they say, thanks to them for the warning. Yes
    5. +1
      22 February 2020 07: 20
      Su24, apparently, maintained a safe altitude. And Su25 and Mi24 there, too, apparently, were not sent there due to the presence of MANPADS
      1. -2
        22 February 2020 09: 52
        It seems that for a long time there is a su 39, and mi 28, maybe you can still use the captured German from the time of the Second World War, and what about eco-economy,
        1. +2
          22 February 2020 12: 23
          They will not save from MANPADS .... the main salvation is flying above 5000m and aiming bombing from such heights .... which they do.
    6. -1
      22 February 2020 07: 54
      Iron logic. First attacked the plane, and then in response he bombed the tanks. Before that, he just had a sightseeing tour
      1. 0
        22 February 2020 09: 49
        Actually, I just flew to see, and there ...
    7. +5
      22 February 2020 08: 35
      In the first video, the "young barmaley" shouts that he is going to fight the Russians ... I wonder if he has gone far?
      1. +1
        22 February 2020 11: 00
        Quote: svp67
        In the first video, the "young barmaley" shouts that he is going to fight the Russians ... I wonder if he has gone far?

        He is now strangled by the arms of the virgins
        Although they cry out chants to keep up the good spirits, fear is visible in the eyes of young barmaleyks from BTR. They understood that maybe this is their last ride. Especially after the Russian shots
    8. +2
      22 February 2020 09: 03
      Quote: 1970mk
      I’m afraid that saturation of air defense will happen abruptly. Until our first downed

      On Friday, data appeared about the downing of an allegedly Russian-developed Orlan UAV over Turkish territory. At the same time, a source in the Russian military-industrial complex told RIA Novosti that, judging by the design of the drone, the device could have been produced in Israel or Iran. " This is not "Orlan" unambiguously - it looks more like an Iranian or Israeli UAV. Our drone has a wingspan of 2,8 meters, but here it is much smaller. In addition, the exhaust pipes of a downed Chinese-made UAV, "Orlan" has these components always Japanese ", - he stressed. In addition, the nature of the damage indicates a malfunction of the apparatus, did the Turkish Armed Forces extinguish it with electronic warfare?
      1. 0
        22 February 2020 11: 08
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        “This is not an Orlan for sure - it looks more like an Iranian or Israeli UAV.

        Can I have a photo? Could it be "Outpost"?
        1. +4
          22 February 2020 11: 15
          Quote: svp67
          Can I have a photo? Could it be "Outpost"?

          I already deleted the source, but if I find it I'll post it. There are fragments.
          1. +1
            22 February 2020 11: 20
            Quote: Mar. Tira
            I already deleted the source, but if I find it I'll post it. There are fragments

            Ok, I will be grateful
            1. +4
              22 February 2020 14: 26
              Quote: svp67
              Ok, I will be grateful

              In general, there’s nothing to admit, 2urak himself. He rummaged about Turkish sites and stumbled upon reports of militants about the destroyed Russian recourse belay x UAV (2 pieces). I typed the search engine so it gave out. Really
              was shot down, and our experts really commented on it. I just didn’t look at the date, but in vain. 2015 year !!!!!!! After all, I knew that the fakes were solid, but I got caught. So, sorry brothers, I’ve blundered. will be! recourse
    9. -2
      22 February 2020 09: 06
      The text in the news is just tin!
      How to understand this?
      You write first "At least three shots were fired from various air defense systems.", and then declare that "one documented on video and two unknown tracks".
      To assume that for some reason the two missiles did not reach the altitude of the Su-24 - is there not enough mind?
    10. 0
      22 February 2020 09: 24
      In the video of the bearded Mujahideen, on the right on the barrel of the Kalash, apparently the last cartridge is fixed?
    11. -3
      22 February 2020 09: 30
      Unfortunately, in the Russian military counterpart located in Syria, not everything is so smooth. Americans, Israel, and even the Turks are hammering hard. Our response and any action require coordination with Moscow. The command is constantly trying to cash in, leaving it now without fuel, then without provisions. The answer is one - you get paid, and buy it yourself. A Russian soldier who has passed Chechnya is used to this and is able to use markets. However, with this approach, when the war turned into a business, where they even leave for tens of thousands of rubles for bribes, we will not end well.
    12. 0
      22 February 2020 09: 47
      Well done, but what is it, just the professionalism of the pilot or, so they raised the level of technology, to get away from 3 x missiles that attack from different directions and angles of attack?
    13. +1
      22 February 2020 10: 23
      Shooting from MANPADS is already serious
    14. +1
      22 February 2020 10: 25
      In my opinion it is necessary to equate everything with tactical missile systems there and risk less boys in winged vehicles.
    15. -1
      22 February 2020 10: 44
      Quote: Stalllker
      And what's wrong when our partners

      Partners??? wassat
    16. -4
      22 February 2020 11: 08
      Ignored the great Putin’s degree of Turkey’s hatred of Russia, thinking that economic projects would keep them from escalating and was himself trapped by spending hundreds of billions on nuclear power plants and pipelines. Now he can’t take radical measures against Erdogan in solving the Syrian issue. But Assad alone will not pull, even if he was blocked with modern weapons. He has no personnel needed. And we did not deal with the training of such personnel. Although in ten years in Siberia it was possible to raise three divisions of specialists. And now, they could break the Turks, but you had to foresee this.
    17. +1
      22 February 2020 12: 41
      Quote: Paranoid50
      It seems that an adequate (???) person

      Quote: protoss
      but in Turkey I drive children to the sea

      Hardly.
      He has been drowning here for Turkey all the time this conflict has developed. Perhaps this is not a citizen of Russia at all.
    18. +4
      22 February 2020 13: 09
      Judging by the first video, half of the "soldiers" do not have cleaning sticks at all on the "Kalash". (There is a whole hodgepodge of them). It turns out that they don't bother with cleaning. Or how?
    19. 0
      22 February 2020 14: 53
      In the first film, an almost complete feeling of the 1st Chechen.

      The same bearded and long-manned Khattab muzzles, almost the same form, screams, and so on ...
      The film lacks only the most important thing - the retaliatory strike of our aviation on their strike.

      And will we always avoid retaliation, if only America and its jackals tell us anything unpleasant? Take an example from Israel, pounding back and all things!

      Although ... given the incomprehensible compliance of the current Russian authorities to the opinion of the West, I’m afraid that we will dodge without a retaliatory strike for a long time ...
    20. 0
      22 February 2020 17: 22
      So the videoconferencing was simply invited to a pre-prepared trap.
    21. 0
      22 February 2020 18: 13
      Quote: Tol100v
      Quote: Spectrum
      In short - trash ungrateful.

      You can't think of a shorter "lens"!

      it happens, here you go along the road, there’s a fork in the road and where you don’t turn everywhere the road is dead, everywhere there are puddles of bumps and shit
    22. -1
      22 February 2020 18: 17
      Why is the death of a pilot a tragedy, and a soldier in Syria statistics?
    23. -4
      22 February 2020 18: 31
      It's weird. Russia is almost SuperPower.
      And only one plane "works".
      The Turks immediately almost 2 thousand. technicians introduced into Syria.
      Did Shoigu melt all the planes in the order?
      1. -1
        22 February 2020 20: 03
        On the manuals on which you write comments here
    24. +2
      22 February 2020 19: 41
      Putin thought that he would save Perdogan, and he would be grateful to him forever, but the Russian Turks would never be a partner, much less a friend, his scimitar was always ready for use
      1. +2
        22 February 2020 20: 04
        I also constantly write that you can’t trust the Turks. Throughout history, they constantly hit in the back. Hit again
    25. -1
      22 February 2020 22: 05
      How does a pilot know about launching a missile defense, visually?
    26. 0
      23 February 2020 12: 03
      From the presented frames it is not at all obvious that the plane was shot three times.
    27. 0
      23 February 2020 14: 48
      The situation is not pleasant. Putin hastened to forgive Perdogan for the downed plane. Now we are investing in the construction of a nuclear power plant, the Turkish stream has already been financed in advance. Perdogan is in debt, like in silk. If the war begins, then our money was crying (apparently this is what we need for an irresponsible policy) .On the contrary, we see how we are facing this insignificance with a mental disorder and manic inclinations like Hitler.
    28. 0
      23 February 2020 16: 54
      After the loss of our aircraft, fighters in Syria, it was clear from the shots that the descent by parachute was from a very high altitude and therefore protracted over the enemy’s territory, I think that pilots need to be vaccinated:
      1. a rescue group is not always a salvation, because it needs to a) find, b) see and determine the area and place of landing, c) what forces will resist, d) evacuate if possible, if possible.
      2. apply the catapult only with an uncontrolled decline and after a turn and attempt to fly closer to the front line
      I understand that maybe this is said in lectures, but not vaccinated.

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