The answer is "ungrateful little brothers." Russia and Bulgaria in the years 1878-1944

The answer is "ungrateful little brothers." Russia and Bulgaria in the years 1878-1944

A source: wikipedia.org


This text is a response to the article. “Bulgarian gratitude to Russia: we remember here, we do not remember here”published in the journal "Military Review" on February 7, 2020, and specifically on the opinion expressed in the article about "ungrateful little brothers."

Briefly, the opinion can be summarized as follows: Oh, thankless little brothers! We (Russians), freed you from the Turkish yoke, we always supported you and helped you, and you fought against us twice (in the First and Second World Wars), and now you have joined NATO (i.e., you are back in the camp of enemies )

I want to emphasize that this position is found in many materials of the Military Review, as well as in a number of readers' comments on articles related in one way or another to Bulgaria. In other words, it can be argued that this thesis is quite widespread in Russia.

In the text below I spend historical analysis of this thesis for the period from 1878 to 1944. We will consider modern Russian-Bulgarian relations another time.

So, on March 3, 1878, after almost eleven months of hostilities, at the cost of the lives of more than 15000 soldiers, the Russian Empire triumphs in the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-1878 and forces the Ottoman Empire to sign a peace treaty in the outskirts of Istanbul's San Stefano. This agreement provides for the establishment of the Principality of Bulgaria within the borders indicated on the map in black (see illustration above).

So the so-called San Stefan Bulgaria was born. Please remember this name. It is extremely important for understanding the policies of Bulgaria in the next 50-60 years.

How were the borders of San Stefan Bulgaria determined? In many ways, these are the borders of the Bulgarian exarchate created in 1870 - subordinate to the Patriarch of Greece (Constantinople) of the Bulgarian Church Organization within the framework of the Ottoman Empire. According to the firman (law) of the Sultan, the creation of the Bulgarian exarchate was made dependent on the voluntary consent of at least two-thirds of the Orthodox population of the empire. In other words, the Orthodox population within the boundaries of the exarchate was more than 60% Bulgarian. (Source.)

San Stefan Bulgaria remained only on paper, since the treaty of March 3, 1878 was revised after less than three months at the Berlin Congress in June-July 1878. At this congress, Great Britain, Austria-Hungary, Germany, Italy, France and Russia decide to “cut back” the borders of the newly created Bulgarian state. The territory of the Principality of Bulgaria has almost halved - from about 170 square meters. km to 000 square meters km (marked in green on the map above). On the territory of 95 223 square meters. km was created autonomous region of East Rumelia (marked in red) with its own local government as part of the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the land completely passed under Ottoman rule.

According to the official point of view (at least that was what was written in my school history textbook), Russia accepted the conditions of the Berlin Congress in order to prevent the repetition of the Crimean War. However, it is not a secret that the main decisions of the Berlin Congress (including the “trimmed” borders of Bulgaria) were previously agreed between Russia and Great Britain in the so-called London Agreement in May 1878.

It is completely logical that the main objective of the Principality of Bulgaria was the return of the territories selected by the decision of the Berlin Congress, and the restoration of San Stefan Bulgaria, that is, the unification of the Principality of Bulgaria, Eastern Rumelia and the regions of Thrace and Macedonia. The first (and almost the only) success in this endeavor was achieved on September 6, 1885, when the unification of the Principality of Bulgaria and Eastern Rumelia, known in the history of Bulgaria as the Union. Probably, we should expect that Russia would welcome the Union, since Russian soldiers nevertheless freed the territory of Eastern Rumelia from the control of the Sultan? Probably, we should expect that Russia will provide assistance to the united Bulgarian state, because we always helped little brothers? Probably should, but this did not happen. Russia opposed the Union, Emperor Alexander III recalled Russian military advisers from Bulgaria, with the result that almost no officers were left in the Bulgarian army with a rank higher than the captain.

Meanwhile, Serbia declares war on Bulgaria, and on November 14, 1885, the Serbian army crossed the Bulgarian border. Yes, yes, Serbia, fraternal Slavic Serbia. The same Serbia, which helped the Russian army liberate Bulgaria in 1877-1878. Should we expect that Russia, as an “elder brother”, will reconcile the “younger brothers” - Serbia and Bulgaria? But no, at the beginning of the war Russia takes a rather neutral position and intervenes in it after November 20, when the Serbian army is already defeated and the Bulgarians occupy the city of Pirot located on Serbian territory. The efforts of Austria-Hungary, Germany, Russia, Britain and France reached a ceasefire, and troops are withdrawn to pre-war borders.

In 1912, Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro and Greece created the so-called Balkan Union in order to oust the Turks from the Balkan Peninsula. The agreement between Serbia and Bulgaria provides for the partition of Macedonia (at that time it was still part of the Ottoman Empire), while the territory of Macedonia was divided into “disputed” and “indisputable” zones (see map below). Both states recognized that the indisputable zone after the war should join Bulgaria, since the population there is predominantly Bulgarian, while the Russian emperor will act as arbiter in relation to the disputed zone. The agreement was concluded with the mediation of Russia.


A source: gpedia.com

On October 8, 1912, the Balkan War began between the Ottoman Empire and the Balkan Union. We will not dwell on the course of hostilities, since it is quite natural that each of the allies was convinced that it was his army that won the largest and most important battles. I’ll just give a few figures: the total army of the Balkan Union was 632, of which the Bulgarian army totaled 000. The total losses of those killed and wounded during the hostilities from the Balkan Union amounted to 300, of which 000 were lost. As they say , you can draw conclusions yourself. (Source.)

The Balkan War ended in the complete defeat of the Ottoman Empire. Under the terms of the London Peace Treaty of May 30, 1913, the empire abandoned all of its territories west of the Midia Enos line (see first map below).


A source: wikipedia.org

But here, between the participants in the Balkan Union, a dispute began over the division of territories taken from the Ottoman Empire. Bulgaria insists on compliance with the terms of the pre-war treaties, while Serbia and Greece prefer the principle of actual ownership: the territory occupied by the Serbian army goes to Serbia, the territory occupied by the Greek army - to Greece, etc. As you can see on the second map above, under this section, almost all of Macedonia goes to Serbia, including the “indisputable” part. On the other hand, there is a pre-war treaty and the Russian emperor is recognized as an arbiter. Perhaps we should expect the intervention of the emperor, who will help the "little brothers" and make the Serbs retreat? But no, Russia is not interfering. And then Bulgaria decides to seize Macedonia from Serbia (as well as from Greece, since the Serbs and Greeks have already concluded a new treaty, this time directed against Bulgaria). This led to the beginning of the Inter-Allied War, known in Russia as the Second Balkan War. It is easy to understand all the madness of this act. Bulgaria lost the war, having lost almost all the territories recaptured from the Ottoman Empire, as well as part of the Dobrudja region on the Danube, as Romania entered the war - also against Bulgaria.

In 1914, the First World War began. Bulgaria declares neutrality. Both the Entente countries and the Central Powers seek to convince the Bulgarian government to join the war on their side. Bulgaria's claims are clear: Macedonia. The central powers easily promise to transfer Macedonia to Bulgaria. Entente countries are not ready to make such a decision, although Winston Churchill, who at that time was a member of the Supreme Military Council of Great Britain, insisted on meeting the requirements of Bulgaria. In the end, on October 14, 1915, Bulgaria declared war on Serbia (note - Serbia, not Russia) and thus enters the war on the side of the Central Powers. Two weeks later, on October 27, 1915, the Bulgarian port of Varna was shelled by a Russian military squadron. As a result of the attack, 9 people were killed and 24 injured. Among the dead was Maria Filova, the wife of the former mayor of Varna, Dobri Filova, of Russian origin. Mostly the civilian population was affected. There were no good military reasons for the shelling: neither the navy nor any significant military installations were located in Varna.

Until August 1916, major battles between the Bulgarian and Russian troops did not take place. Military operations in the Dobrogea region began after August 17, 1916 as a result of Romania entering the war on the side of the Entente. The Bulgarian army, together with the 1st German Brigade and the 1st Ottoman Corps, defeated the Romanian-Russian units south of the Danube. It is important to note that even according to Russian sources, the main military operations were conducted in territories with the Bulgarian population. On December 6, 1916, German, Austrian, and Bulgarian units took over Bucharest, united in an army group under the general command of General Mackensen. In September 1917, the so-called Romanian Front stabilized on the Siret River line, and no major battles took place in Romania until the end of the war. On the other fronts of this war, Bulgarian and Russian units did not enter into combat contact. (Sources: first, second.)

After the end of World War I, diplomatic relations between the Kingdom of Bulgaria and the USSR were renewed only in 1934. From the beginning of World War II in September 1939 until March 1941, Bulgaria remained neutral. March 1, 1941 Bulgaria officially joined the Tripartite Pact. Hitler's main promises were the return of Bulgaria to the territories torn away as a result of the Inter-Allied War of 1913 (Macedonia, White Sea Thrace, Dobrudja). It is important to note that at that moment the USSR and Germany were not enemies. An official statement by Prime Minister Bogdan Filov regarding Bulgaria’s entry into the Tripartite Pact emphasized: “We believe that the pact we signed does not violate the agreements that we have with our neighbors, and that we will continue the policy of traditional friendship with the Soviet Union.” Moreover, the pro-Soviet Bulgarian Communist Party (BKP) did not take active action against the alliance with Germany until June 22, 1941, only then began the unfolding of a guerrilla war against the government. However, in the period from March to May 1941, the BKP was limited to general declarations that Bulgaria should enter into an alliance with the USSR, and not with Hitler. For comparison, it can be noted that the pro-British Bulgarian Agricultural People's Union (BZNS "United") in April 1941 planned to organize a coup in order to prevent the union of Bulgaria with Germany. In other words, Bulgaria’s entry into the Tripartite Pact in March 1941 was not perceived by contemporaries of this event as a hostile act against the USSR.

Between 1941 and 1944, Bulgaria did not declare war on the USSR; Bulgarian soldiers on the Eastern Front did not fight. For comparison: in the materials of the Military Review, one can find many examples of how many European states that were not officially allied with Hitler sent their troops against the USSR. So the statement that the brothers fought against us twice It has no foundation: during the Second World War, Bulgaria did not participate in hostilities against the USSR. For its part, on September 5, 1944, the USSR declared war on Bulgaria, but this did not lead to the outbreak of hostilities, since on the same day the General Staff of the Bulgarian Army issued an order to refrain from resisting the Red Army. On September 9, 1944, a new government came to power in Sofia, and Bulgaria joined the ranks of the anti-Hitler coalition.

In conclusion, I want to note that this article does not constitute a criticism of Russia's actions in relation to Bulgaria in the period under review (1878-1944), nor does it contain any complaints about the insufficient assistance provided to the "little brothers." Russia and the USSR have always acted in accordance with their interests and capabilities — this is completely normal and natural. Nevertheless, the assertion that Russia has always helped the "brother-Bulgarians", and they, for their part, have always responded with ingratitude and hostility, contradicts historical facts.
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  1. Sergey Averchenkov 22 February 2020 05: 46 New
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    Just do not justify ... Okay, comrade author. Bulgaria provided its territory for the Wehrmacht troops to be based; fascist planes took off from their airfields. Is this not enough for you? Did their troops participate in Greece and Yugoslavia? Yes? Not? How many fascist divisions were sent to the eastern front because of this participation? Why aren’t you talking about this?
    1. Gardamir 22 February 2020 06: 21 New
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      Oh how great you are! Federal Russia is in the ring of enemies of the brothers. And only the president and his governments stand on defense. And we should be sympathetic if the president wants to raise some kind of tax or increase payments. Vl to blame all the brothers.
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        1. Gardamir 22 February 2020 08: 06 New
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          Another horse-rider is cool. You want to say that the Russian Federation will bomb Russia?
          1. Sergey Averchenkov 22 February 2020 08: 40 New
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            No, to Ukraine. They did not answer why Russia does not destroy Ukraine. Why are you all like that? Do not answer direct questions? Well, give birth.
            1. Chervonny 22 February 2020 10: 23 New
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              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              They did not answer why Russia does not destroy Ukraine.

              The question is not correct. At least not set correctly.
              1. Sergey Averchenkov 22 February 2020 10: 52 New
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                So you have no answer? Ok, turn my question around as you like.
                1. Chervonny 22 February 2020 11: 07 New
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                  Correctly the question, from my point of view, should sound like this: “Why didn’t Russia overthrow the pro-fascist Kiev junta in 2014?”
                  1. Sergey Averchenkov 22 February 2020 11: 13 New
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                    Well, let it be so ... will it be the answer?
                    1. ninguem 22 February 2020 14: 55 New
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                      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                      why Russia does not destroy Ukraine.

                      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                      So you have no answer?

                      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                      the answer will be?

                      First, ask an unclear question. Then you do not answer the question:
                      "Why didn’t Russia overthrow the pro-fascist Kiev junta in 2014?"
                      Do you need an answer? Ask him the government and the commander in chief.
                      1. Sergey Averchenkov 22 February 2020 17: 41 New
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                        My Commander-in-Chief Putin, to pump up the government. And who is your commander in chief?
                  2. ser56 22 February 2020 17: 41 New
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                    Quote: Red
                    Why didn’t Russia overthrow the pro-fascist Kiev junta in 2014? "

                    it would be an interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine ... request Russia would be declared an aggressor, etc. And why should the peoples of Russia feed the occupied and suppress the "freedom fighters of Ukraine" who would be supported in the West with weapons - Afghanistan -2 ... request
                    1. Mordvin 3 22 February 2020 19: 33 New
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                      Quote: ser56
                      it would be an interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine ... Russia would be declared an aggressor, etc.

                      You might think that in the case of Crimea, the West did not declare us an aggressor.
                      1. ser56 2 March 2020 14: 39 New
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        You might think that in the case of Crimea, the West did not declare us an aggressor.

                        and didn’t read further? Or no answer? Recall what happened in 1944-56 in western Ukraine? OR Is the state of infrastructure throughout Independent?
            2. New Year day 22 February 2020 19: 06 New
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              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              why Russia does not destroy Ukraine.

              my friend, you are a provocateur! A hawk was found, McCain’s laurels do not give rest?
        2. Stas157 22 February 2020 08: 09 New
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          Thanks to the author for the article. The view from the other side is always interesting. Many things turned out to be a revelation to me. Especially relations with the Balkan countries and Greece.
          1. snerg7520 27 February 2020 14: 49 New
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            What Bulgaria is the second Belarus, or, more precisely, Belarus the second Bulgaria?
            The article contains only claims - moreover, the reasons for certain actions of Russia are not given in most cases from the word "vosche", but where it is quoted, "aha, conspiracy of Russians with impudent people" and Russia is blamed for the troubles of a small, extremely impudent and crap in her attempts to foreign lands of Bulgaria. Which generally would not exist without Russia, well, this is such a minuscule that does not count. The article is pure anti-Russian propaganda.
        3. Chervonny 22 February 2020 10: 28 New
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          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          You stupidly do not understand, the Russian Federation can destroy you instantly, even right now, but it does not. Answer me - why?

          Who to destroy? Citizens of the Russian Federation? Want to start a new civil war? Well, well, and even the Communists are accused of allegedly calling for barricades ...
      2. WILL 22 February 2020 06: 38 New
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        Quote: Gardamir
        Oh how great you are! Federal Russia is in the ring of enemies of the brothers. And only the president and his governments stand on defense. And we should be sympathetic if the president wants to raise some kind of tax or increase payments. Vl to blame all the brothers.

        Tin is easy! In a historical article about relations between Russia and Bulgaria, to manage to drag the President ... He - Are you following? Duck is to the doctor - Psychiatrist, Diagnosis - Paranoia is called, they can still have time to help!
        1. Gardamir 22 February 2020 08: 04 New
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          Usually all articles are about how difficult it is to live, because there are brothers around. And what to drag it in? The only ruler in history that has nothing to do with it everywhere.
      3. Olgovich 22 February 2020 10: 06 New
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        Oh how great you are! Federal Russia is in the ring of enemies of the brothers. AND only the president and his governments withthey ha ha protection. And we must be sympathetic if the president wants to raise some kind of tax or increase payments

        I sincerely do not understand, what are these maxims that have no relation to the article? request

        Now, according to the ARTICLE: the author reproaches Russia for its policy from 1878 to 1945 in its disputes with its neighbors, giving all sorts of arguments.

        One must probably remember that politics is the art of the possible.
        Russia, having achieved independence of Bulgaria, made the IMPOSSIBLE in the then difficult conditions for her.

        The author would recall that EVERYTHING whom Russia did not manage to free was simply CUT TO in 1915-1920 - Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians.

        As for disputes with neighbors, for his information, the listed Serbia, Romania, Greece, have at least weighty, but directly opposite arguments.

        In addition, the author, stating this:
        Probably, one should expect the intervention of the emperor, But no, Russia does not intervene. And then Bulgaria decides to seize Macedonia from Serbia (as well as from Greece, since the Serbs and Greeks have already concluded a new treaty, this time directed against Bulgaria). This led to the outbreak of the Allied War.
        lies frankly: Russia sought to resolve conflict through peace negotiations.

        June 28, 1913 in St. Petersburg negotiation date was set about the ownership of the disputed territories, negotiations were foiled by the sudden aggression of Bulgaria against Serbia.

        And what questions are now for Russia?

        As for the WWII and WWII, no matter what “fair” (only in its understanding, by the way) Bulgaria sought there by joining them on the side of the aggressors, it’s important that, objectively, it acted on the side absolute world evil strengthening it.

        The author’s attempts are ridiculous to point out the non-participation of the Bulgarians against the war with the USSR. And dozens of divisions of the Bulgarians in Greece and Serbia, did not release dozens of Nazi divisions for the Eastern Front?

        A joint war in WWI, shoulder to shoulder with ... the Turksand against .... Russia, this is generally beyond reason .....

        No need to shift the responsibility for their own ambition, stupidity and crime to the savior of Russia.

        At the same time, I am deeply grateful to the Bulgarians for the preserved Russian and Soviet monuments, for the shelter of our fellow citizens after the citizen. war ...
        1. Keyser soze 22 February 2020 12: 20 New
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          And dozens of divisions of the Bulgarians in Greece and Serbia, did not release dozens of Nazi divisions for the Eastern Front?


          In World War II we occupied our territories. Their. They exactly coincide with the borders of Sanstefan Bulgaria. Only in two places - in Serbia and Greece, did we occupy foreign territory that the Germans would give us after the war. But there is much to argue, because there are Bulgarian villages and populations today in Albania and in Banat and in Bessarabia and Ukraine, and wherever. By the way, 250 ethnic Bulgarians live in the latter. All this mess, with the redrawing of Europe, the Great Forces began before the First World War.

          A joint war in the WWI, shoulder to shoulder with ... the Turks against .... Russia, it’s generally beyond reason .....


          Andrey, my respect, I always support your opinions, because I also like the Kingdom of Bulgaria and the Russian Empire. But in general, Russian forces entered the WWII — the expeditionary corps of Zayonchovsky entered Dobrudja, together with your Romanian friends. This is beyond understanding and reason.

          Commander of the Dobrudjan Front, gen. Kolev told his soldiers - "Soldiers, we all love Russians, but what are they doing on our land, with weapons in their hands?"

          At the same time, I am deeply grateful to the Bulgarians for the preserved Russian and Soviet monuments


          Well, Bulgarian society is not unambiguous for Soviet people, but the monuments of the Russian Imperial Army today are buried with flowers and everyone remembers the feat that your grandfathers created in Bulgaria. And to this day, every year new ones open. In Bulgaria there are 400 and more memorials of the Russian Imperial Army.

          for sheltering our fellow citizens after a citizen. war ...


          My great-grandfathers were among these fellow citizens. The Kingdom of Bulgaria has allocated money loans to all Russian families, opened Russian schools so that children can study in their native language and thanks to this I know Russian today. It gave the Russians land, work, and those who wished to join their army and power. And this is at the time when 1 million Bulgarian refugees from Thrace, Macedonia, Bessarabia and from Banat were accepted into the Kingdom. There were voices who asked why Bulgaria separates money into Russians when their own ethnic ethnic Bulgarians are in need. Thank God, and like today, there are no voices of marginalized people and no one paid attention to them. That's how it is. There are always other points of view.
          1. Olgovich 22 February 2020 14: 54 New
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            Quote: Keyser Soze
            In World War II we occupied our territories. Their

            there are other points of view. is not it?
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            Andrey, my respect, I always support your opinions, because I also like the Kingdom of Bulgaria and the Russian Empire. But in general, Russian forces entered the WWII — the expeditionary corps of Zayonchovsky entered Dobrudja, together with your Romanian friends. This is beyond understanding and reason.

            Beyond Reason is JOINT with ... TURKS belay request war is on the side of global evil.
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            Well, Bulgarian society is not unambiguous for Soviet people, but the monuments of the Russian Imperial Army today are buried with flowers and everyone remembers the feat that your grandfathers created in Bulgaria. And to this day, every year new ones open. In Bulgaria there are 400 and more memorials of the Russian Imperial Army.

            I know the number of 700 monuments. None are demolished. Well maintained.
            Thank you! hi
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            My great-grandfathers were among these fellow citizens. The Kingdom of Bulgaria has allocated money loans to all Russian families, opened Russian schools so that children can study in their native language and thanks to this I know Russian today. It gave the Russians land, work, and those who wished to join their army and power.

            for this eternal gratitude hi
            I also know that in 1878 RTV veterans from the Russian army were granted a good pension in Bulgaria
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            The kingdom was received by 1 million Bulgarian refugees from Thrace, Macedonia, Bessarabia and from Banat.

            I didn’t hear from Bessarabia recourse
            How they lived, so they still live, however, cut into two ....
            1. Keyser soze 22 February 2020 15: 54 New
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              there are other points of view. is not it?


              And there is the Sanstefan treaty, which defines the ethnic and sovereign borders of Bulgaria. Otherwise, there are points of view that the Earth is flat .... laughing

              By the way, the minus is not mine.

              Beyond Reason is JOINT with ... TURKS belay request war is on the side of universal evil.


              No Andrei, this is a war on Bulgarian territory, where the Bulgarian army reflected the offensive of the Russian army, the Serbian and Romanian. We were at home. 35 Bulgarians from the Third Bulgarian Army faced an attack by 000 regular Romanian army, plus the 90th Army Corps of the RIA, gene. Zayonchkovsky, numbering 000 thousand, plus Serbs. And it is clear that the Germans and Turks arrived there to help. The newspaper Balkan Courier wrote - "The Russians are shooting at Bulgaria created by them ....". That was a brain rupture, but for us. No one in the country could understand why the Russians were invading Bulgarian territory. hi
              1. parusnik 22 February 2020 19: 00 New
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                Keyser Soze (Eugene)... Eugene, I do not like Bulgaria’s participation in the First World War and in the Second World War, on the side of Germany .. but this would not have happened if Russia hadn’t pumped Bulgaria in the 19th century ...
                1. Keyser soze 22 February 2020 20: 11 New
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                  but this would not have happened if Russia hadn’t bored Bulgaria in the 19th century ...


                  Ladies, something like that. And especially in 1912-13, when the Bulgarian army stood 40 km. from Constantinople and offered RI to give her a city in front of which all the Turkish troops had already been crushed to ashes. But they received an ultimatum by war.

                  But it happened and we have nothing to do ... drinks
              2. Olgovich 23 February 2020 07: 44 New
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                Quote: Keyser Soze
                And there’s the Sunstephan Treaty,

                Such cloud contracts. You have chosen only one ...
                Quote: Keyser Soze
                That was a brain rupture, but for us. No one in the country could understand why the Russians were invading Bulgarian territory.

                Strange, really, no one in Bulgaria knew whose side they spoke that they worked, for example, in Skopje and that relies on it?

                Reckoning-defeat and loss of territories.
              3. alatanas 25 February 2020 12: 21 New
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                Moreover, the Bulgarian command opposed the participation of the Turks in Dobrudja and the Turks were invited by the Germans. The Turkish corps fought in minor sectors and did not significantly affect the course of hostilities.
              4. malyvalv 26 February 2020 19: 47 New
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                And there is the Sanstefan treaty, which defines the ethnic and sovereign borders of Bulgaria. Otherwise, there are points of view that the Earth is flat.


                I can’t understand one thing. Here was the San Stefano Treaty. Bulgaria gained territory. Why did she later agree to a change in borders if she considered this territory to be her own? We must fight for our land. And then some countries gathered and decided something, and Bulgaria lost half of its territory. Why didn't you fight? Why was there no partisan movement?
                And then when they lost, they began to complain and again call the arbitrators. But for some reason Russia is to blame.
                1. pytar 26 February 2020 21: 13 New
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                  I can’t understand one thing. Here was the San Stefano Treaty. Bulgaria gained territory. Why did she later agree to a change in borders if she considered this territory to be her own?

                  Bulgaria then / 1877-1878 / did not exist as a state. Great powers were only interested in their own interests. Not a single Bulgarian was invited to the negotiations.
                  Paradoxically, the Bulgarians were asked the only time in 1870, when Sultan Abdul Azis conducted a plebiscid on the territorial girth formed by the Bulgarian Orthodox Exarchy. The WPT territory is the one on the basis of which the San Stefansky Prelimirnarny was signed / preliminary / contract.
                  We must fight for our land ... Why didn’t they fight? Why was there no partisan movement?

                  They fought and how! Immediately how the Principality of Bulgaria was formed!
                  Kresnesko-unfolding uprising of 1878-1879 against the Turks,
                  Unions / Northern Bulgaria with Thrace / 1885 war with Serbia,
                  Gornodzhumaysky uprising against the Turks -1902,
                  The Ilendan-Preobrazhensky rebellion against the Turks -1903,
                  1Balkan war against Turkey -1912-1913,
                  2 Balkan war against Serbia, Greece, Romania and Turkey -1913,
                  Tikveshki uprising against the Serbs of 1913,
                  Ohrid-Debra uprising against the Serbs - 1913,
                  1MV, 2MV.

                  Continuous staff of revolt and wars for Liberation and national Unification! Hundreds of thousands of victims, destruction, exploits, victories and defeats. The ashtrays did not fall behind ...
              5. snerg7520 27 February 2020 15: 00 New
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                Do not confuse cause and effect - precisely because Bulgaria entered the war on the side of Germany, Russian troops came to Bulgaria, and not vice versa.
          2. ser56 22 February 2020 17: 44 New
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            Quote: Keyser Soze
            They exactly coincide with the borders of Sanstefan Bulgaria. Only in two places - in Serbia and Greece, did we occupy foreign territory that the Germans would give us after the war.

            1) There was no such Bulgaria - this is a virtual ... request
            2) but you received the reward for treason from the Nazis!
        2. ser56 22 February 2020 17: 42 New
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          No need to shift the responsibility for their own ambition, stupidity and crime to the savior of Russia.

          classics of the genre! request
        3. kyznets 25 February 2020 06: 29 New
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          Thanks Olgovich (Andrey)! He answered shortly and clearly. I wanted to add to this. How many times did Bulgaria fight for Russia or for Russians? How many Bulgarians died for the freedom of Russia, for its interests? How much and how did Bulgaria and the Bulgarians help Russia and Russians in general, at least economically? This also applies to Poles and Czechs and other Slavic brothers and non-Slavic brothers. But everyone has big and unforgettable complaints against us. When will we understand that we have no friends or brothers outside the borders of our Motherland. You need to equip yourself and help yourself. The rest should be only our interests.
          1. Olgovich 25 February 2020 09: 47 New
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            Quote: kyznets
            Myself need to equip and himself to help. The rest should be ours only interests.

            Exactly!
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      in the article, and in general, the generally accepted opinion that they introduce to us is that the country of Bulgaria and the people of the Bulgarians are not grateful and do not remember kinship. But this is not so the Slavic peoples of the Bulgarians, Poles, Serbs and even the Balts remember who they are and their connection with Russian brothers, but political decisions are made not by the people, but by the rulers. And for some reason the rulers of the Slavic peoples are Germans, and now they are Jews (Ukraine). Well, all these Germans are all relatives, they do what they want, they want to start a war and they are plunging peoples into world slaughter, they want to draw borders arbitrarily, so that the peoples then always have reasons for war. The same Serbian-Bulgarian war, or the Indo-Pakistani war, all these are echoes of the colonial system.
      The Slavic peoples need to know that power over them is the true enemies of the Slavs, it is necessary to understand who we are and we must reset these Germans / Jews in these places.
      1. pytar 23 February 2020 13: 04 New
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        the common wisdom that they are introducing to us is that the country of Bulgaria and the people of the Bulgarians are not grateful and don’t remember the relationship.

        Many have already begun to realize that such a disinformation campaign is being conducted! Even here in the VO forums, a certain group of "members of the forum" specialized in conducting Bulgarianophobic propaganda! If you read their posts, you will see that they write the same anti-Bulgarian mantras as a carbon copy! The question is where does this go? Who is behind him? Why is this being done and who benefits? Thinking forum users, ask yourself these questions!
        1. Walking 23 February 2020 14: 20 New
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          Quote: pytar
          the common wisdom that they are introducing to us is that the country of Bulgaria and the people of the Bulgarians are not grateful and don’t remember the relationship.

          Many have already begun to realize that such a disinformation campaign is being conducted! Even here in the VO forums, a certain group of "members of the forum" specialized in conducting Bulgarianophobic propaganda! If you read their posts, you will see that they write the same anti-Bulgarian mantras as a carbon copy! The question is where does this go? Who is behind him? Why is this being done and who benefits? Thinking forum users, ask yourself these questions!

          Bulgarianophobia and anti-Bulgarian mantras? Do you think about it? Maybe this is due to the actions of Bulgaria itself. The article is a collection of excuses and the transfer of guilt to Russia. My opinion remains unchanged - the liberation of Bulgaria from the blood of Russian soldiers was not worth it.
          1. pytar 23 February 2020 15: 32 New
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            Bulgarianophobia and anti-Bulgarian mantras? Do you think about it? Maybe this is due to the actions of Bulgaria itself.

            Here we must bear in mind the fact that the influence of the Great Forces, among which the RI / USSR / RF and Bulgaria are not comparable! Blames the Bulgarians for "so and so it’s wrong that they did it", not bearing in mind what the Great Powers did, is not right. This is how it puts a taligu in front of a horse!
            The article is a collection of excuses and the transfer of guilt to Russia.

            Statia is understandable to every Bulgarian, no difference from his personal predilections and beliefs! I see, and many Russians began to listen in syruation. The main message: In Russia and Bulgaria, interests often varied. There is no fault, the accusations are meaningless, there are objective factors! When it comes to vital national interests, everyone will choose their own! But how correctly defined these interests are, the topic is debatable.
            My opinion remains unchanged - the liberation of Bulgaria from the blood of Russian soldiers was not worth it.

            There is such a feature in the mentality of Russians - "no one to convince me"! lol True, not all Russians ... It is toward the second that this article is directed, as I understood the author.
            The Russian People went to Liberate the brothers of the Bulgarians, and the Empire had purely pragmatic interests! Get advantageous foothold on the Balkans, strengthen influence in this strategically important region! The goals of the Russian people and Ross. power, agree! Therefore, our Liberation happened!
            1. Bar1 23 February 2020 20: 57 New
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              Boyan Ivanov, the forum you are on is by no means a Russian forum, but guess what yourself. People that in Bulgaria, that Russia is one people, and those who stand on top are another people. There is a war that has HUNDREDS . Unfortunately the Slavs are the losers.
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                There are such suspicions. But here it’s “not accepted” to say that. You will not be banned?
            2. malyvalv 26 February 2020 19: 55 New
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              The goals of the Russian people and the authorities in relation to the Balkans coincided since the capture of Constatinopol by the Turks. The return of the crosses over Sofia and the Panslavian idea moved the policy of Russia all the reign of the Romanovs. But they couldn’t. Although they were very close. It happens.
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            Quote: Hiking
            My opinion remains unchanged - the liberation of Bulgaria from the blood of Russian soldiers was not worth it.

            Thank God that it was not you who set us free, but your worthy ancestors who deserved our Bulgarian admiration and love!
  2. Evil Booth 22 February 2020 06: 04 New
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    but when and who needs the facts, mass hysteria for the sake of their selfishness ... specifically now the war is going through depopulation.
  3. WILL 22 February 2020 06: 12 New
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    The author has interesting logic ... At first, Russia said thanks for creating Bulgaria as a Country, and then thanks a lot! belay
    Evil neighbors of the Bulgarians oppressed and insulted, Russia did not intercede ... get Bulgaria’s participation in the Two World Wars on the side of the Enemies of Russia ... am
    Germany and Austria-Hungary (well, very kind) - promised to help Bulgaria! Question ??? Helped ??? no
    Further, the “little brothers” didn’t almost fight with the Russians (just a little) and always remained grateful to Russia! Question? What was this “gratitude" expressed in?
    We will return in Our time ... Bulgaria is a member of NATO, but this is also so "make-believe"!
    No words!
    1. bessmertniy 22 February 2020 08: 18 New
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      You can delve into history as much as you want, look for the roots of our friendship or enmity, but you need to value the moment. And currently, Bulgaria is not a friendly country for us, despite the fact that its people have both sympathy for Russia and antipathy. Through them, the Bulgarians choose the kind of power that, in relation to Russia, pursues a policy delegated to it by voters. It is of fundamental importance to improve relations between our countries, since there is a commonality of cultures, a commonality of tasks, and reasons for the development of economic ties. But all this is somehow not visible today. Our interstate relations are in a stupor, and this is our bilateral misfortune. hi
      1. pytar 23 February 2020 16: 22 New
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        ... her people have both sympathies for Russia and antipathies. Through them, the Bulgarians choose the kind of power that in relation to Russia pursues a policy delegated to it by voters.

        Dear Victor hi In most democratic countries, including the Russian Federation, people are much more worried about the country's internal socio-economic condition! They will always choose and support a government that better copes with pressing problems within the country! External relations, in the background. And this is normal! After all, it is necessary to streamline first of all your country! In recent years, a coalition of pro-European, pro-Russian and patriotically oriented forces has ruled in Bulgaria! At first glance, a contradiction, but the essence of these strong united in the interest of improving the economy of Bulgaria, and rightly so! By the way, the note with full force applies to Russia! You can’t successfully promote your foreign political interest, if at that time inside the country, things are going badly ...
        It is fundamentally important to improve relations between our countries, since there is a commonality of cultures, a commonality of tasks, and reasons for the development of economic ties.

        I fully support! We have much more in common with the Russians than what they share! good
        But all this is somehow not visible today. Our interstate relations are in a stupor, and this is our bilateral misfortune.

        There are no problems, but where are they not? Everything will get better from time to time, do not hesitate! drinks
    2. U-58 22 February 2020 10: 03 New
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      The position of Bulgaria, including the modern one, is .... unpleasant.
      However, I myself try (and urge others) to look at the actions of Bulgaria (Romania, Serbia, Macedonia) through their eyes.
      This country is not with the largest population, not with the most developed economy and infrastructure.
      With the ass more in the agricultural sector.
      How to survive?
      The path chosen: lean against the strong.
      At the end of the 19th century Russia was strong, leaning against it.
      Europe is now strong (European Union, NATO) - leaned against them.
      If the Russian Great Economic Leap occurs (we imagine), then in 20 years they will again lean against Russia.
      Another moment.
      About 100 years ago, the idea of ​​pan-Slavism was popular.
      In my opinion, a good idea.
      But the WWII, the revolution and the civil war in Russia didn’t bury this idea, but put it on the hundred and seventh plan.
      There was a chic, one hundred percent opportunity to revive this idea and, most importantly, realize it after WWII, when the USSR was in fact the most powerful power in the world, having influence on all possible and impossible processes of geopolitics.
      But the leadership of the Union was preoccupied and puzzled, first of all, by the problems of rebuilding the country after the war. And that is understandable.
      Therefore, things did not go beyond creating the UN and the belt of countries of people's democracy.
      And who knew what would happen next?
      Everyone, without exception, had a firm belief that humanity would forever reject the ideas of devastating wars and live in the paradigm of peaceful creative development.
      Well, then it went the way it went.
      And the weak began to lean back against the strong
      1. ul_vitalii 22 February 2020 12: 38 New
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        Romania is a little thing, it’s wrong on your list. yes
    3. pytar 22 February 2020 12: 37 New
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      The author has interesting logic ... At first, Russia said thanks for creating Bulgaria as a Country, and then thanks a lot!

      The author adheres to the facts as correctly as possible! They may not like someone, but they won’t become a fact! Obviously, Bulgaria did NOT change its original goals - Unification Fatherland! The natural, understandable desire of every nation! Changed its goals, priority Russia! Not a rebuke, but how so ?! - on the one hand, you admit that the land’s children and children belong to the Bulgarian people, as they are a majority there, you fight for their release from the Turks, and then you intercept and help Bulgaria to be bitten apart! Yes, and send complaints to her that dared to defend themselves! This is a policy of interests, and Russia's interests and moral principles diverge in this case!
    4. alatanas 25 February 2020 12: 30 New
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      Well yes: Bulgaria -
      A member of NATO, but this is also so "make-believe"!

      Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Croatia, Poland, Greece, Turkey ... etc - all members and?
  4. Slavutich 22 February 2020 06: 17 New
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    In other words, Bulgaria’s entry into the Tripartite Pact in March 1941 was not perceived by contemporaries of this event as a hostile act against the USSR.

    Of course, absolutely as friendly!
    1. Avior 22 February 2020 10: 23 New
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      Look here
      https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Договор_о_дружбе_и_границе_между_СССР_и_Германией
      We now know how this agreement ended, and in the spring of 1941 no one knew what we knew.
      At that time, the Bulgarians made an alliance not against the USSR, but against their Balkan neighbors, with whom they had a long-standing showdown.
      This then changed the situation.
      1. Slavutich 22 February 2020 18: 13 New
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        In the spring of 1941, for the leadership in the USSR, to put it mildly, it was no secret that the war with Germany was not far off. And the fact that Germany was overgrown by the allies of joy did not add.
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      Bulgarians amaze me constantly. This is not even arrogance. This is sur. Soon they will begin to accuse us that the unfortunate Bulgarians through the fault of Russia became Hitler's allies. I immediately remember a girl with low social responsibility.
  5. mr.ZinGer 22 February 2020 06: 20 New
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    How much can I slumber the word gratitude. Politics does not accept obscene concepts. There are only interests and everything is suitable for their service.
  6. Slavutich 22 February 2020 06: 21 New
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    It’s a good article: which says: everyone has their own truth, Russia was forced to take the decisions of the Berlin Congress, and was not a member who “decided” with England and Germany to deprive Bulgaria of lands. Why did we shed so much Russian blood?
    1. Serg4545 22 February 2020 06: 50 New
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      My opinion is:

      We ourselves provoke such an attitude from different bros (Bulgaria, Serbia, etc.).
      We believe that since they helped the little brothers, now we have the right to expect loyalty from them on any issue. And if the little brothers make an unprofitable decision for us, then we sincerely resent:
      How so! Ungrateful! After all, they MUST bend under our interests!
      Why is this position wrong?
      Firstly. If we at one time provided HELP to our little brothers, then this implies that they SHOULD NOT do anything to us. For help is free and does not require reciprocal services.
      Secondly. If we believe that we have provided the Brothers with the SERVICE, which must be paid, then we need to clearly articulate what they must do in return so that this DEBT is repaid.
      Or does someone here believe that the little brothers are now in front of us in the UNPAID DEBT !?

      Well, to make it clearer, imagine:
      Late in the evening, you were attacked by gopniks, in order to check the contents of your wallet. A neighbor passing by helped you brush off the gopniks. Perhaps even he took on most of the work. But now at every meeting (and you often meet, neighbors all the same), it reminds you of how you saved you. And periodically asks you about the services that you should provide simply out of gratitude.
      Question:
      How soon do you want to nail a neighbor?
      And how soon you have the thought: it would be better if they robbed me. At least it would be once and long ago would be forgotten!
      Nobody likes those to whom he owes)
      Therefore, I believe that we should say to the little brothers:
      You do not owe us anything.
      And I'm sure our relationship will benefit from this approach.
      1. Slavutich 22 February 2020 06: 57 New
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        Everything is so, such is life, and there is nothing to be done, the logic of history!
      2. AK1972 22 February 2020 08: 14 New
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        Well formulated, Sergey! In interstate relations, the words friendship and fraternity are nothing more than on-duty, protocol phrases. One cannot hope for any friendship in politics. Good relations between countries are formed only by an accurate pragmatic calculation, and if this calculation is incorrect, then relations will be bad.
      3. Camrad 22 February 2020 09: 02 New
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        Well, to make it clearer, imagine:
        Late in the evening, you were attacked by gopniks, in order to check the contents of your wallet. A neighbor passing by helped you brush off the gopniks. Perhaps even he took on most of the work. But now at every meeting (and you often meet, neighbors all the same), it reminds you of how you saved you. And periodically asks you about the services that you should provide simply out of gratitude.
        Question:
        How soon do you want to nail a neighbor?

        In your example, the key point is that if you weren’t near a powerful neighbor at the right time, the gopniks would have cut your wallet and life with a knife. And then it would be no longer important what kind of heavy services you would have to provide to your neighbor in the future ...
      4. mr.ZinGer 22 February 2020 10: 01 New
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        I repeat, but at the political level, the word "gratitude" is missing.
        But to supply the material to the masses to create public opinion, it is intensely hussed over. And it works, how many statues on this site about ungrateful Bulgaria and the angry comments of progressive humanity were on this site.
        1. Lopatov 22 February 2020 11: 20 New
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          Quote: mr.ZinGer
          I repeat, but at the political level, the word "gratitude" is missing.

          And therefore it is no longer worth saving. In order not to be disappointed later ... And do not wait for gratitude.
          “Falling - push” (c)
      5. Lopatov 22 February 2020 11: 18 New
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        Quote: Serg4545
        Late in the evening, you were attacked by gopniks, in order to check the contents of your wallet. A neighbor passing by helped you brush off the gopniks. Perhaps even he took on most of the work. But now at every meeting (and you often meet, neighbors all the same), it reminds you of how you saved you. And periodically asks you about the services that you should provide simply out of gratitude.

        A bit wrong.
        After the neighbor rescued you, you met the gopniks, and now you are standing on a racket, while these gopniks are kneading the feet of the neighbor who saved you.

        And you are sincerely perplexed when he takes offense at such ingratitude.
        After all, he did not give a hundred to the soberbird, and when the neighbor, Aunt Masha, was peeling with a rag for the fact that at night he made noise, he did not intervene ...
        Yes, he generally should be grateful that he was allowed to save you. Well, the fact that now you are helping the gopniks to beat him, he must understand that you have new friends ...
        1. Mordvin 3 22 February 2020 13: 26 New
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          After the neighbor rescued you, you met the gopniks, and now you are standing on a racket, while these gopniks are kneading the feet of the neighbor who saved you.

          Yeah, and then the neighbor became a partner of the gopniks, pulls the pipes and gets off with tomatoes, and reproaches the rescued man for not helping when they kicked him. So?
          1. Lopatov 22 February 2020 14: 14 New
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            And he did it right.
            The next time you don’t need to help, but figure out what to do by yourself.
            Nothing personal, national interests above all.
            1. Mordvin 3 22 February 2020 14: 44 New
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              Quote: Spade
              And he did it right.

              What did you do right? I rolled a moral barrel on the Bulgarians?
              Quote: Spade
              Estimate that squeeze out yourself.

              Quote: Spade
              national interests above all.

              So why crush the loaf on the little brothers? They also respect their national interests. For that matter, it was RI who betrayed them when it joined the side of Serbia. How does it look from this point of view?
              1. Lopatov 22 February 2020 14: 51 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                What did you do right? I rolled a moral barrel on the Bulgarians?

                Dear, the only NATO country that is not involved in planning a nuclear attack on Russia is France. Not Bulgaria. Remember this.

                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                it was RI who betrayed them

                "Betrayed" by refusing to participate in an aggressive war on their side? Do you want more territories paid for with Russian blood?
                And because they are now preparing to kill us?

                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                on little brothers?

                With such "bros" and enemies do not ...
                1. Mordvin 3 22 February 2020 15: 03 New
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                  Quote: Spade
                  the only NATO country not involved in planning a nuclear attack on Russia is France. Not Bulgaria.

                  Interesting. Can I see these plans?
                  Quote: Spade
                  Betrayed, "refusing to participate in an aggressive war on their side? Still want territories paid for by Russian blood?

                  Which territories? There the devil himself cannot make out in the Balkan wars.
                  Quote: Spade
                  With such "bros" and enemies do not ...

                  Unfortunately, they can say the same about us. If we discard the long-past business, who sold and betrayed the Warsaw Pact?
                  1. Lopatov 22 February 2020 15: 09 New
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                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Interesting. Can I see these plans?

                    Google to the rescue.
                    Nuclear Planning Group (NPG)

                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Which territories?

                    Have you read the article?

                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Unfortunately, they can say the same about us.

                    Are we going to fight against them for the third time in 250 years?
                    Or did they manage to participate in ALL European military blocs directed against Russia?
                    1. Mordvin 3 22 February 2020 15: 31 New
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                      Quote: Spade
                      Google to the rescue.
                      Nuclear Planning Group (NPG)

                      There are no plans. So, balabolstvo.
                      The Nuclear Planning Group (NPG) reviews the Alliance’s nuclear policy in the light of ever-changing security conditions.
                      Although the North Atlantic Council is the highest authority in NATO, the NPP acts as the highest authority on nuclear issues in the Alliance.
                      The NPF discusses specific policy issues related to nuclear forces and broader issues such as nuclear arms control and the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
                      All members, with the exception of France, which decided not to participate, are part of the NPG, regardless of whether they have their own nuclear weapons or not.

                      Quote: Spade
                      Are we going to fight against them for the third time in 250 years?

                      And why not say so, if you look from the side? Imagine yourself as a reasonable Papuan, and what do you say, having studied the history of the late 19th, early 20th century?
                      Quote: Spade
                      Or did they manage to participate in ALL European military blocs directed against Russia?

                      Or maybe Russia participated against them? So, to support the authority ... But it turns out that cousin Willy had a fight with cousin Harry, and cousin Nikolashka decided to get in.
                      1. Lopatov 22 February 2020 18: 10 New
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        There are no plans. So, balabolstvo.

                        This is not "balabolstvo", this is a "division of nuclear responsibility"
                        And again, France is not involved. Bulgaria, yes. Brotherly preparing to participate in the destruction of millions of Russian citizens. "But with pain in the heart," as suggested here.


                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        And why not say so, if you look from the side? Imagine yourself as a reasonable Papuan, and what do you say, having studied the history of the late 19th, early 20th century?

                        ??
                        This is an interesting phrase, but has nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Bulgaria participated in two wars against us and is preparing for a third. 250 years after the death of twenty-two thousand Russians for the liberation of Bulgaria


                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Or maybe Russia participated against them?

                        Follower of Rezun-Suvorov? It was in fact Stalin who attacked poor Germany along with its allies, including Bulgaria. Just ingenious Hitler struck back so lightning that it looks like an act of treacherous aggression?
                        I have no more questions.

                        And now Russia's aggressive policy threatens the poor Bulgarians and they are forced to prepare for the next "campaign to the east"?
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                        Quote: Spade
                        Brotherly preparing to participate in the destruction of millions of Russian citizens.

                        Shovels! Do you believe it yourself?
                        Quote: Spade
                        and getting ready for the third.

                        The third, cold, we blew ...
                        Quote: Spade
                        Follower of Rezun-Suvorov?

                        In general, I do not know the opinion of either one or the other. And who is this, Rezun-Suvorov?
                        Quote: Spade
                        And now Russia's aggressive policy threatens the poor Bulgarians and they are forced to prepare for the next "campaign to the east"?

                        Khe-khe ... Our policy is to pull the pipes, and everything else, sideways ...
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        In general, I do not know the opinion of either one or the other. And who is this, Rezun-Suvorov?

                        You can include a little "fool" in the course of the controversy, but there should be at least some kind of framework ...

                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Khe-khe ... Our policy is to pull the pipes, and everything else, sideways ...

                        And even here the "little brother" the Bulgarians managed to nobly slander us.
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                        Quote: Spade
                        You can include a little "fool" in the course of the controversy, but there should be at least some kind of framework ...

                        I’m honestly writing to you, I haven’t read one or the other ...
                        Quote: Spade
                        And even here the "little brother" the Bulgarians managed to nobly slander us.

                        Yeah, all the dirty tricks ... Or maybe you should look at the dirty tricks?
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                        Quote: mordvin xnumx

                        I’m honestly writing to you, I haven’t read one or the other ...

                        Once again, there must be limits.
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          Quote: Spade
          And because they are now preparing to kill us?

          but with heartache ... bully
  • ser56 22 February 2020 17: 48 New
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    Quote: Serg4545
    purpose to check the contents of your wallet.

    actually the Turks carved them ...
    Quote: Serg4545
    And periodically asks you about the services that you should provide simply out of gratitude.

    in memory of the 150 dead and the fact that they are alive ... and they simply offered not to rush ... request
  • DMB 75 22 February 2020 06: 22 New
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    Well, the “little brothers” almost didn’t fight with the Russians (just a little) and always remained grateful to Russia! Bulgaria is a member of NATO, but it’s also so “fun”!
    No words!

    So I don’t have .. smile As all is famously stated and with an abundance of historical dates and facts with maps of the General Staff ... You, the Russians themselves, are supposedly to blame for everything, and we, the Bulgarians, are good. I can just tear gray hairs on my head and ask for forgiveness from the Bulgarians, I don’t know why ...
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      Quote: DMB 75
      You, the Russians themselves, are supposedly to blame for everything, and we, the Bulgarians, are good. I can easily tear gray hair on my head and ask for forgiveness from the Bulgarians, I don’t know why ...

      So I wrote a comment so far, somehow forgot to ask the author a question, in his opinion ... Maybe I should repent of what I need, well, there are official apologies? request
      1. Pessimist22 22 February 2020 06: 56 New
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        And I understood from the text that they wanted Great Bulgaria, and the Russians freed the principality altogether, well, they freed them a little shorter.
        1. pytar 22 February 2020 12: 51 New
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          And I understood from the text that they wanted Great Bulgaria, and the Russians freed the principality altogether, well, they freed them a little shorter.

          You misunderstood. And confuse the concepts! "Great Bulgaria" is the restoration of the state along the maximum historical boundaries during its largest territorial expansion. In the 9th century, the Kingdom of Bulgaria included territories with many other peoples, in fact it was a multinational Empire. After the 5th century of slavery, the Bulgarians did not even think of it! After 1878, 2/3 of the Bulgarian people turned out to be under foreign authority, respectively The main goal was the Liberation of their sonarodniki and Unification of the country! So that the majority of the Bulgarian people live in their own state, and not under occupation and under the assimilation of foreign countries. In short - the Bulgarians did not want someone else's, but they did not want to give their own. hi
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  • Snail N9 22 February 2020 06: 35 New
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    Yes ... the "bad" Russia turns out to have to do everything for the "fathers" further (after 1877), and even, in general, put them (the "brothers") at the head of their entire policy in the Balkans and indeed .... just think about them ...
    1. Marine engineer 22 February 2020 16: 07 New
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      "To put their (" little brothers ") interests at the head of their entire policy in the Balkans and indeed"

      You very tactfully wrote in the article that the Romanovs and their ministers did not have any “their policy in the Balkans” at all.
  • mark1 22 February 2020 07: 15 New
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    Russia put on the Bulgarian throne of the German Tsar (albeit the Empress’s nephew) and raked a bunch of problems in the place of gratitude. It was necessary to plant a Russian (at least from the Rurikovich, at least from the Grand Dukes) and there would be mutual love and consent. at least until the 17th year.
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      And in Russian what was sitting at that time?
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        Russified. And in Bulgaria they put a purest Fritz in general, even a baptized Lutheran.
        1. mat-vey 22 February 2020 07: 56 New
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          What's the difference? They are all relatives there.
          1. mark1 22 February 2020 08: 00 New
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            The difference in which country you grew up and what faith you observe. hence the difference between for example Nicholas 2 and George 5 and other relatives.
            1. mat-vey 22 February 2020 08: 03 New
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              Well, if "faith" then yes ...
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      According to the Berlin agreement of 1878, the Bulgarian prince cannot be Russian
    3. Sergey S. 22 February 2020 09: 47 New
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      Quote: mark1
      Russia put on the Bulgarian throne of the German Tsar (albeit the Empress’s nephew) and raked a bunch of problems in the place of gratitude. It was necessary to plant a Russian (at least from the Rurikovich, at least from the Grand Dukes) and there would be mutual love and consent. at least until the 17th year.

      Duck where to get from the Grand Dukes ....
      For 270 years the Romanovs have plagued almost everyone ...
      But from the Tatar, Serbian ... one could pick it up.
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        Quote: Sergey S.
        Duck where to get from the Grand Dukes ....
        The Romanovs overwhelmed almost everyone in 270 years.

        I meant those who are called princes in other countries.
        But here "Brother" says. that Russian cannot be according to the Berlin Treaty, then Bulgarian, but to marry at least a Russian princess (princess). Well, in general, these are all subjunctive moods, but nevertheless I believe that the root of evil lies in this and not in territorial requests and the lack of "sympathy" in Russia.
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          I meant those who are called princes in other countries.

          Sorry to interrupt, but why the hell did the Russian emperor have Prince Batemberg forced to leave the throne? Was he absolutely loyal to Russia? And in his place came the bastard Ferdinand.
          1. mark1 22 February 2020 11: 19 New
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            Who knows! Maybe Alexander greatly respected his wife ... Who said that we had ideal kings (in the sense of wisdom and intelligence)? They also threw problems, we are still raking.
          2. Senior seaman 22 February 2020 13: 08 New
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            Was he absolutely loyal to Russia?

            No, actually. And in the memories of, say, Rediger, this moment is reflected quite clearly.
            But in any case, the Bulgarians themselves overthrew him.
          3. Marine engineer 22 February 2020 16: 13 New
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            “What the hell did the Russian emperor have to force Prince Bathemberg to leave the throne?” After all, was he absolutely loyal to Russia? ”

            Because Russian emperors did not have any “their own” policies in the Balkans regarding Bulgaria.
        2. pytar 22 February 2020 12: 57 New
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          Quote: mark1
          well then Bulgarian, but at least marry a Russian princess (princess).

          The Turks demanded the medieval Bulgarian aristocracy in full in the 14th century. hi
          1. rich 23 February 2020 15: 42 New
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            The Turks demanded the medieval Bulgarian aristocracy in full in the 14th century.

            Greetings, Boyan.
            Maybe the Bulgarians will be interested, but not all yes The lands of Russia and Bulgaria have not become impoverished in the aristocracy. There is life in the old dog yet. Alive and now lives the noble Russian Boyar, Belarusian and Bulgarian His Excellency Count Philip Bedrosovich Kirkorov. What has the relevant documents. If you think that I'm ironic? In vain. Inet to help you wink
            1. pytar 23 February 2020 16: 05 New
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              Hi Dmitry! hi
              Alive and now lives the noble Russian Boyar, Belarusian and Bulgarian His Excellency Count Philip Bedrosovich Kirkorov. What has the relevant documents. If you think that I'm ironic? In vain.

              Funny joke! laughing They are kings in the field of art and so much! Elvis, the king of rock, Bob Marley, the king of reggae, Prince, he is actually a prince! lol
              If Philip "has documents", they most likely belong to the Armenian kingdom, since he is an Armenian. Here they say "Radio Erevan said ..."! drinks
              1. rich 23 February 2020 16: 17 New
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                Yes, it would be funny if it were not so sad. All local bohemia wholesale buys a variety of titles in heraldic offices. When the correspondents asked Kirkorov the question: “Which Bulgarian count? The Turks completely exterminated the entire Bulgarian aristocracy” Kirkorov answered - we had an ancient rich count estate in Bulgaria, but now it unfortunately has gone to the bottom of the sea, read a note about this certified by a notary public. ”
                Boyan, I recommend, watch this topic on the Internet with your wife and friends, do not regret it. Chuckle good
                1. pytar 23 February 2020 16: 32 New
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                  Yes, it would be funny if it were not so sad. All local bohemia wholesale buys a variety of titles in heraldic offices.

                  Well, when people have so much money, but nowhere to put it, they’ll come up with something else! In the American company sells land on the moon! You will not believe it, but almost 4 million people have already "bought"! The moon, although visible in the sky, but on Venus / sold 1000 acres / and on Mars / sold 3700 acres / even with a telescope, you will not see much! lol
                  Kirkorov replied - we had an ancient rich count estate in Bulgaria, but now it unfortunately went to the bottom of the sea ...

                  He can be seen for having bought 4 apartments in luxury complexes on the Bulgarian coast! Here he sits on a terrace with a view of the sea and yearns for a drowned count estate ... laughing
    4. pytar 22 February 2020 16: 46 New
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      Russia put on the Bulgarian throne of the German Tsar (albeit the Empress’s nephew) and raked a bunch of problems in the place of gratitude. It was necessary to plant a Russian (at least from the Rurikovich, at least from the Grand Dukes) and there would be mutual love and consent. at least until the 17th year.

      After the abdication of the Russian stooge Alexander Batemberg, the Bulgarians asked the Russian emperor to give them the ruler of Count Ignatiev! He was very respected, in Bulgaria people idolized him! The emperor did not agree. Mingrelli suggested - a Georgian aristocrat, a drunkard who had lost his principality due to gambling debts. The offer was rejected, both from the side of the Great Forces, and from the Principality of Bulgaria. hi In general, during this period, Russian politics abounded with paradoxes and mistakes!
      1. Marine engineer 22 February 2020 17: 21 New
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        “In general, during this period, Russian politics was full of mistakes and paradoxes!”

        It is very mildly said.
  • Lamata 22 February 2020 07: 59 New
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    Yes, what are they bros !!!! let's look real. And Bulgaria would have put up resistance to HAND in 1944, would have been crushed like a bug.
  • sergey s_2 22 February 2020 08: 19 New
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    A weak enumeration of facts without an analysis of Russia's actions in relation to Bulgaria, there are much more normal articles about the foreign policy of Bulgaria, and why Bulgaria is always in the camp of Russia's enemies
  • Paul Siebert 22 February 2020 08: 58 New
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    Phew! The blinders fell from my eyes!
    It is we - the Russians to blame for all the troubles of Bulgaria ...
    They did not support, did not understand, did not take in their composition.
    As already got these vile howls. Our main fault is the liberation of the Bulgarians from the Turkish yoke!
    Bring the monument to Alyosha in order. Wash!
    Do you hear people coming from the Volga? ..
    1. pytar 22 February 2020 13: 06 New
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      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Bring the monument to Alyosha in order. Wash!

      4-5 years ago, the municipality of Plovdiv held technical events renovating the foundation and the statue of Alyosha at a cost of approx. 250 thousand. evra. In 2018, a project was launched to improve the entire Bunardzhik hill, at a cost of 1 million euros. Updating alleys, park lighting, water wiring, attractions, panoramic minibuses, etc. At the end of 2019, the project was fully implemented.
      So, have you ever read about this, at least in one Russian information resource? Nope ...? And here, when some half-wit at 2 o’clock in the morning, sprinkles to drink all the rus-media, they yell in the choir "Bulgarians are ungrateful"! Nothing that the municipal authorities have already cleaned the paint ...
    2. Mordvin 3 22 February 2020 13: 44 New
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      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Bring the monument to Alyosha in order. Wash!

      I did not expect this. The monument to Alyosha was erected by the inhabitants of Plovdiv, we would have to take care of our monuments as much as the Bulgarians use this simple signalman.
  • Aleks2000 22 February 2020 09: 15 New
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    The article is good. At least recalls the existence of other points of view.

    And what to expose everyone around as enemies is the first sign of imperialism and fascism
    1. Xenofont 22 February 2020 11: 33 New
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      Imperialism and fascism are current in the brains of liberals are identical. Russian imperialism gave all small nations the opportunity to survive under the total pressure of foreigners or Gentiles. The fate of the Armenians or Georgians, and the same Bulgarians with the Greeks, was easily predictable.
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        They didn’t rob just like other Siberian Empires, for example
      2. Aleks2000 22 February 2020 22: 20 New
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        On the one hand, yes .... Imperialism is not fascism is not Nazism ....

        And on the other - we are always white and fluffy, and since they defeated them, they were evil and treacherous ...
        "Armenians or Georgians, and the same Bulgarians and Greeks," something is not very grateful ...

        How the Bulgarians lived, and after leaving Turkey, they immediately fought with everyone around them (and 1 and 2 MB !!!! in general)
        so are the rest of these ...
  • antiaircrafter 22 February 2020 09: 20 New
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    Avono is all cunning ...
  • Keyser soze 22 February 2020 09: 34 New
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    No one in Bulgaria wants the Russians to feel guilty for their policies before 1944 or after. As you can see, the author doesn’t aim. Geopolitics is geopolitics and the Russian Empire and the Emperor, and later the USSR did what was in their interests. For this we cannot blame them.

    In turn, Bulgaria did everything it could to unite and free itself within its ethnic borders - Sanstefan Bulgaria. And for this, the Russians cannot blame her.

    And if you were glad that you helped the Russians in Crimea and freed them, then we understood, accepted and welcomed, although not at the state level.

    So many of us understand the history, geopolitics and interests of the great powers and do not reproach anyone, but we will not accept or not even reproach.
    1. AK1972 22 February 2020 12: 45 New
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      I agree with you, Eugene. Digging in the dirty linen of history is unproductive, the eternal Roman principle: “divide and conquer” among politicians is always valid, but thank God we are not politicians, so let's be friends and spit on politicians, both ours and yours, too soon or late everything will be fine!
      1. Keyser soze 22 February 2020 12: 48 New
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        therefore, let's be friends and spit on politicians, both ours and yours, and sooner or later everything will be fine!


        Well, I believe in it. Like it or not, we are close to you and we are connected by more things than we are separated. UTB should not be derailed. And most Bulgarians have always sympathized with Russia. drinks
        1. Lopatov 22 February 2020 18: 48 New
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          Quote: Keyser Soze
          and we are bound together by more things than we are separated.

          We are connected by our stupidity, our faith in "brotherhood" and your desire to use all this ...

          Third war .... You are preparing for the third time to fight against Russia. Rather, you are already participating in it, while it is only "cold" Actively.
          And at the same time you dare to argue that something connects us
      2. Lopatov 22 February 2020 14: 24 New
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        Quote: AK1972
        therefore, let's be friends and spit on politicians

        Precisely, exactly.
        To be friends, and not be offended when they will bomb us again from Bulgarian airfields. We are not politicians, blah blah blah

        Quote: AK1972
        dirty laundry stories unproductive

        A great way to find out who is capable of what.
        So what’s still productive, “He who does not remember his past is doomed to relive it again”
        And we are experiencing our past for the third time.
        1. Keyser soze 22 February 2020 16: 08 New
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          when they will bomb us again from Bulgarian airfields.


          Generalissimo Lopatov! Please provide information when you were bombed from Bulgarian airfields. Which Russian city suffered? Either you have a misunderstanding of the Russian language or you just lie.
          1. Lopatov 22 February 2020 18: 39 New
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            Quote: Keyser Soze
            when you were bombed from Bulgarian airfields.

            In the Great Patriotic War.
            In addition, Nazi submariners were based in Burgas and Varna. In addition, Bulgarian sailors participated in the protection of German convoys and the hunt for Soviet submarines.
            1. Keyser soze 22 February 2020 20: 18 New
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              In the Great Patriotic War.


              You are a liar Lopatov. In World War II, German aircraft were not based or operated on in Bulgaria, with the exception of one squadron that covered Sofia from your Anglo-American friends. The kingdom of Bulgaria and the USSR were in peaceful relations until September 5, 1944, and this excludes the operation of German aviation from our airfields, against the USSR. There is not a single document confirming the attack of the Luftwaffe against the USSR, from the Bulgarian airdromes.

              And not only lying, but not able to apologize for the fakes and slander that broadcast on the air.
              1. Lopatov 22 February 2020 20: 39 New
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                Quote: Keyser Soze
                You are a liar Lopatov. In World War II, German aircraft were not based or operated on in Bulgaria,

                You are a liar, Keyser Soze, these are just your fantasies.

                Quote: Keyser Soze
                The kingdom of Bulgaria and the USSR were in peaceful relations until September 5, 1944

                Peacefully drowned Soviet submarines.
                For example, the Sch-204 bombed in a mine was fraternally shot most likely from the air.
                And there were Shch-210, Shch-211, L-24, S-34 ...


                Quote: Keyser Soze
                covering Sofia from your Anglo-American friends.

                By which you declared war. Hoping that it will be safe and you will not get.
                It didn’t work out ...
                1. Keyser soze 22 February 2020 21: 28 New
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                  You are a liar, Keyser Soze, these are just your fantasies.


                  You are Lopatov, made a statement. (That the Germans bombed you from Bulgarian territory).
                  I said that it was wrong and wanted to see what you base your opinion on.
                  And he gave evidence that there are no such documents, and we and the USSR were not at war until September 5, 1944, that is, your statement is incorrect.
                  I also accused you of lying.
                  You answered that I am a dreamer.

                  Return to the school that you graduated, if you graduated at all, and give a huge slap in the face to your teacher in history and logic. These creatures did not teach you anything at all.

                  And if you show the document, I will apologize to you first. Here, in front of everyone.
                  1. Lopatov 23 February 2020 00: 11 New
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                    Quote: Keyser Soze
                    You are Lopatov, made a statement. (That the Germans bombed you from Bulgarian territory).
                    I said that it was wrong and wanted to see

                    No, you have unprovenly accused me of lying. Confirm your statement "In World War II, German aircraft were not based or operated on in Bulgaria" You cannot.

                    Quote: Keyser Soze
                    And he gave evidence that there are no such documents

                    Yah? And where?


                    Quote: Keyser Soze
                    we and the USSR were not at war until September 5, 1944

                    And who then drowned Soviet submarines?
                    I called you at least five of them

                    That's specifically Sch-203 ... Who? There were no Germans at your airfields; who did this?
                    Щ-211. Sunk while moving in a surface position. Most likely from the air. And who did it?
                    Germans absent at Bulgarian airfields? Or the Bulgarians who did not fight the USSR?
                2. pytar 23 February 2020 00: 11 New
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                  Peacefully drowned Soviet submarines. For example, the Sch-204 bombed in a mine was fraternally shot most likely from the air.

                  Bulgaria and the USSR supported the norms. diplomatic relations. Moreover, all these submarines conducted operations in the Bulgarian territorial waters. Only in one of the cases did a combat touch take place (Щ-204). In all other cases, we are talking about the detonation of mines. Shch-210 was blown up on a German anti-submarine mine UMA from a barrage exhibited by the Romanian mine-trader Murgescu. Shch-211 successfully landed by 14 Bulgarian communists at the mouth of the Kamchia river. Of the entire group, Kostadin Lagadinov, later a general of the Bulgarian People’s Army, survived the war. Vidinov Kiril Rangelov (1905-1994), General of the Bulgarian National Army and Ivan Marinov, a doctor.


                  Bulgaria remembers and honors the Soviet sailors and pilots who died during these events.

                  Monument to the fallen 4 Soviet pilots, near Cape Shabla.



                  Monument to the dead Soviet sailors, r. Kamchia.


                  Monument to the dead Soviet sailors, Sozopol.
                  1. Lopatov 23 February 2020 00: 18 New
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                    Quote: pytar
                    All submarines were in Bulgarian territorial waters

                    Right.
                    For in Burgas and Varna, Nazi submariners were based.

                    Quote: pytar
                    Bulgaria remembers and honors the dead Soviet sailors.

                    Not yet evening...
                    1. pytar 23 February 2020 00: 38 New
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                      For in Burgas and Varna, Nazi submariners were based.

                      Based. Therefore, the Germans and Romanians fought in the World Cup from the Soviet Black Sea Fleet. Due to the reluctance of the Bulgarians to participate, Romania and Turkey developed a plan according to which, the Bulgarian coast was divided between them into zones of responsibility. Turkey supplied the sea of ​​Germany with ore, and the Black Sea Fleet drowned these vessels. The plan caused a scandal between Bulgaria and Romania from Turkey.
                      Not yet evening...

                      I don’t know how it is with you, but it’s late in the evening ... How long will you print this old photo?
                      In 2011, a group of stupid people called Destructive Creation painted a monument. The next day, the municipal authorities cleaned it. The case caused a scandal and general disapproval in Bulgaria.
                      For 20 years, there are only a few such cases. Moreover, we have more than 530 monuments in honor of Russia / USSR !!! In rus-media and in rus-forums "fighter of the disinformation front" these photos are circulated from different angles, giving the impression that there are many cases! Nothing like this! There is but ... in Russia ... hi
                      1. Lopatov 23 February 2020 08: 46 New
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                        Quote: pytar
                        Due to the reluctance of the Bulgarians to participate

                        Well, they participated. "Unwilling". Drowning these boats, conducting reconnaissance in their area of ​​responsibility with the help of the Arado transferred by the Germans, participating in the escort of convoys to Crimea and Odessa. In the end, serving the Nazi submarines and giving them a place to base.
                        In the end, freeing up Nazi divisions that the Germans were able to transfer to the eastern front.

                        I understand this desire to portray Bulgarian innocence and Soviet aggressiveness. But even the post-war policy of the USSR to “blur” history for the sake of “friendship of peoples” could not eliminate this fact: Bulgaria fully fought on the side of Nazi Germany, providing tangible assistance to it.

                        Quote: pytar
                        I don’t know how it is with you, but it’s late in the evening ... How long will you print this old photo?

                        I will be a lot.

                        And it will be



                        I see that the desecration of such monuments in Bulgaria has been put on a permanent basis.
                        From fresh:
                      2. pytar 23 February 2020 12: 56 New
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                        Well, they participated.

                        That's how you speculate Lopatov! This is the topic of 2MB and the monuments! laughing Pull out cases that were really few in Bulgaria, and give them out as a mask! negative
                        In all countries there was wallpaper on the sides of the trenches. For comparison, a million and a half citizens of the USSR became Nazi collaborators! We have partisans and yataks / partisans in the anti-fascist struggle / there were 200 thousand. Since September 44, 300 thousand. the Bulgarian army fought with the Wehrmacht. Killed forty thousand soldiers and anti-fascists.
                        I see that the desecration of such monuments in Bulgaria has been put on a permanent basis.

                        Definitely speculate! I counted 15-16 cases in 20 years. I have somewhere here the exact statistics! "Pink photo" with inscriptions in Czech. In Bulgaria, there are few who know this language. The "blue-black" has nothing to comment on. Many Ukrainians live in Bulgaria. They organized pickets. In Russia at that time, more than a hundred abuse of monuments!
                        Your suggestions Shovels, sucked from your fingers!
                      3. Lopatov 23 February 2020 15: 35 New
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                        This is to the topic of 2MB

                        No, dear, I, in fact, do not care about those times.
                        I care what you now Get ready to attack us.
                        And what happened in the First and Second World War is only evidence that you are capable of it. And do it.

                        Quote: pytar
                        and about the monuments!

                        Speculating?
                        The monument in Plovdiv this year alone was demolished twice. Plus the desecration of the mass grave of Soviet soldiers in the Lozenets quarter.
                        Total, the year has just begun, but already three cases.

                        And you here tell me that this is a "rare occurrence." That is, in past years it was even more common?

                        Quote: pytar
                        For comparison, a million and a half citizens of the USSR became Nazi collaborators!

                        More. But our traitors did not become heroes. And carried for the punishment. Up to the highest measure.
                        So that.....
                      4. pytar 23 February 2020 17: 09 New
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                        No, dear, I, in fact, do not care about those times. What worries me is that you are now preparing to attack us. And what happened on the First and Second World War is just evidence that you are capable of this. And do it.

                        No Shovels, you "care" how to scold the Bulgarians as a people! Why such a "passion", I can only guess ... lol
                        So you tried, dug up the info about those 5 tragic submarine incidents! But you do not say anything about the anti-fascist struggle in Bulgaria, about the victories of the Bulgarian army over the Wehrmacht! Selectable in your posts, clearly visible! Accordingly, your goals are prominent ...
                        Speculating? The monument in Plovdiv this year alone was demolished twice. Plus the desecration of the mass grave of Soviet soldiers in the Lozenets quarter.
                        Total, the year has just begun, but already three cases.

                        Speculators definitely! And primitive! negative You Shovels are standing in one trench with vandals! They secretly paint the monuments under the cover of night, give you "suitable" material, and here you spit on the Bulgarians! At all, even a dozen vandals, and not all of them are Bulgarians.
                        You didn’t bother to look for info how much money our municipal authorities have invested in the accomplishment of the monument to Alyosha! More than a million euros! You did not ask how many new monuments in honor of Russia in Bulgaria have been erected over the past 20 years! You Shovels, stubbornly bend your line! What stubbornness is from, we can only guess ...
                        But our traitors did not become heroes. And carried for the punishment. Up to the highest measure.

                        From December 20.12.1944, 2.04.1945 to April 135, 28, 630 mass processes throughout the country were organized in Bulgaria. Arrested 11 122 people. Against 4 charges are raised. For 9155 months, 2730 awards were issued. Sentenced to death 1, 305 15 receive life imprisonment. We already know a lot about the justice of these loans, and, in fact, repression in a country that is especially large for the scale of repression. So Dimitar Peshev, the man who had the greatest contribution to the salvation of Bulgarian Jews, received 19 years in prison. In fact, the entire opposition was eliminated by the Stalinists, including the one that fought against the Nazis. For comparison, 12 people were convicted at the Nuremberg trials, XNUMX of them to death.
                        Shovels, you did not know about this? Or are these facts contrary to your thesis?
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                        No Shovels, you "care" how to scold the Bulgarians as a people! Why such a "passion", I can only guess ...

                        You are enemies.
                        Why am I obliged to talk with you.
                        The enemies are old, since the First World War.

                        Quote: pytar
                        At all, even a dozen vandals, and not all of them are Bulgarians.

                        Who cares?
                        The stories "it’s not me in my pants, but a neighbor" who haven’t acted on me for a long time.

                        Quote: pytar
                        From December 20.12.1944, 2.04.1945 to April 135, XNUMX, XNUMX mass processes throughout the country were organized in Bulgaria

                        It is perfectly. But apparently not enough. Not everyone was cleaned.
                        And currently Bulgaria AGAIN consists in a military bloc directed against Russia.

                        I do not need these stories on the topic "we are brothers."
                        Are you in NATO?
                        Yes.
                        Point.

                        Brother does not sharpen a knife on brother.
                        You are enemies, and it was you who declared Russia an enemy, not us. Continuing for some reason to call you "partners"
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                        I do not need these stories on the topic "we are brothers."

                        Shovels, these stories are not for you ... you are not a brother. laughing
                        You are enemies.

                        This is you enemy! An enemy of Russia itself, hiding behind the masks of a "principled patriot," setting people against one another! I think it's not a secret who is interested in this!
                        You know, I really hope that here people make a difference and understand what is at stake! This is a note to the moderators ...
                        Politicians come and go, as do the propagandists associated with them! And the peoples remain!
                        Bulgarian and Russian people Brotherly!
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                        Quote: pytar
                        Shovels, these stories are not for you ... you are not a brother.

                        Naturally. I'm liable for military service.
                        And beware of fraternizing with enemies ...

                        Quote: pytar
                        This is you enemy! An enemy of Russia itself, hiding behind the masks of a "principled patriot," setting people against one another! I think it's not a secret who is interested in this!

                        Do not need this demagoguery
                        Bulgaria to NATO? Yes.
                        Point

                        Bulgaria is the enemy. Bulgarians are enemies.
                        And that was not Russia's decision. This was the decision of NATO in general and Bulgaria in particular.
                        Point
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                        I'm liable for military service.

                        What army ...? laughing Not Russian, definitely!
                        Do not need this demagoguery

                        Yes, stop with demagoguery, why are you tormenting! lol
                        Bulgaria is the enemy. Bulgarians are enemies.

                        This is a previous note ... you can add "Waiting for enemies, Waiting for traitors". good
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                        What army ...? laughing Not Russian, definitely!

                        To your general displeasure, it is Russian.

                        Quote: pytar
                        Yes, stop with demagoguery, why are you tormenting!

                        I do not suffer, it is here that you have to tell that black is actually white.

                        You personally and your colleagues are trying to introduce a simple idea to the Russian audience:
                        “We regularly spit on you, but you must wipe yourself, understand and forgive, because we are brothers. And in general, Russia itself is to blame for this”

                        "We are in NATO and are preparing to fight with you? Do we support sanctions? Have we framed you with the South Stream? Are we participating in provocations with the Skripals? Have we banned the passage of Russian aircraft through our airspace?
                        The Russians are simply obliged to forget all this ... because we are brothers ... "
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                  Bulgaria mobilized 8 and thunders at Russia's borders with atomic trinkets, waving banners: "Kill the adversary!" , "Give 000 World!", "Turn the pipes back!" :-))))))))))) lol

                  You, Lopatov - delirium treemens is indicated!
                4. Lopatov 25 February 2020 13: 06 New
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                  Bulgaria mobilized 8 and thunders at Russia's borders with atomic trinkets, waving banners: "Kill the adversary!" , "Give 000 World!", "Turn the pipes back!" :-)))))))))))

                  Are you trying to assure me that NATO does not threaten Russia in any way?

                  So frankly lying is not good. This does not paint a person .... Even a professional propagandist. They just stop believing him.

                  Quote: alatanas

                  You, Lopatov - delirium treemens is indicated!

                  You understand how much you will not try to insult me, this will not change the reality, and you will be put in an even more unsightly light
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                  Yes. Bulgaria is the most formidable part and embodiment of the power of NATO! Ha Ha Ha! lol
                  At the time of the VD, the Bulgarian army numbered 147. peace-time composition, and now this is a fake army from some operetta from which you turn pale with fright. Strange ... request
                6. Lopatov 25 February 2020 13: 51 New
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                  Yes. Bulgaria is the most formidable part and embodiment of the power of NATO! Ha Ha Ha!

                  The question is not "formidable" or "not formidable."
                  The question is what is the "part".
                  And not for the first time. And not even in the second.

                  Just a sweet habit - to participate in anti-Russian military blocs, and after losing them howl about "brotherhood"

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                  you turn pale with fright

                  NATO's total military budget in 2018 amounted to $ 930 billion, and it is growing .. Russia's military budget in 2018 amounted to $ 46 billion. And it remains approximately the same with inflation in mind.
                  There is something to "fade". Just not out of fright ... Not for the first time. And not in the second you are going to a crowd with allies.
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                  Melius est prudenter tacere, quam inaniter loqui
                  hi
                8. Lopatov 25 February 2020 14: 22 New
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                  Melius est prudenter tacere, quam inaniter loqui

                  Exactly.
                  And there are at least four propagandists here.
                  Trying to broadcast the nonsense that Bulgaria’s manifestation of hostility towards Russia in the jelly itself is evidence of the deepest brotherhood ...

                  Do you know what I consider the peak of Bulgarian villainy of recent times? Close your airspace for Russian planes with humanitarian aid to Syria, supposedly there may be military cargo. And at the same time sell rockets to Grad and shots to RPG-7 of Saudi Arabia ... Reinforced concrete knowing that they will be with the terrorists. And they will be directed towards the Russians.
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                  To myself - a propagandist:
                  - One thing I know and then I buy
                  In a word : PARANOA
                  S400 sold to the Turks? ("Reinforced Concrete" knowing that they will use against American aviation. wink lol laughing )
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                  S400 sold to the Turks?

                  And how. And if it will be necessary to loosen your aggressive bloc yet to sell, we will sell.
                  With enemies, the only way. Any dirty tricks - in line.
  • Gado 24 February 2020 22: 52 New
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    And one of your accounts is the case, is it not “Lipchanin”?
    You are a fat Troll, here you are!
    Brothers Bulgarians, stop talking with this ... Do not feed him!
  • Lopatov 25 February 2020 09: 49 New
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    You are a fat Troll, here you are!
    Brothers Bulgarians, stop talking with this ... Do not feed him!

    And then who are you? If you are enemies, brothers ....

    "Looking at the security situation in the Black Sea, the United States of America welcomes Bulgaria’s proposal to establish a Naval Focal Point in Varna in support of NATO’s initiative on an adapted front presence. Both sides have a desire to cooperate in the future, both in bilateral and in NATO, to support Bulgaria’s capabilities for naval operations, which will strengthen our collective security on NATO’s southeastern flank. The United States and Bulgaria look forward to a high-level strategic dialogue to further discuss these goals."(c) Trump

    Last November, Washington. The Bulgarian "brother" agrees to expand the possibilities for even more effective destruction of the Russian "brothers".


    "both sides intend to build on the successful defense cooperation agreement of 2006, creating a joint roadmap in support of bilateral defensive cooperation to counter marine, cyber and hybrid threats in the Black Sea region over the next decade. This 10-year roadmap will support Bulgarian modernization efforts by providing security assistance, facilitating access to modern US defense technologies and expanding the scope of military exercises, joint actions and training, with which our interoperability and related capabilities will be further enhanced"(c) Bulgarian" brother ", concurrently Minister of Defense
  • Marine engineer 22 February 2020 16: 23 New
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    “In turn, Bulgaria did everything it could to unite and free itself within its ethnic borders - Sanstefan Bulgaria. And for this, the Russians cannot blame her. ”

    I agree. It is a pity that San Stefan Bulgaria did not take place either in 1878 or in 1912.
  • EvilLion 22 February 2020 09: 42 New
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    And here the main question arises, why should Russia creep in all the time if these hot Balkan guys cannot abide by their own agreements?
    1. pytar 22 February 2020 13: 11 New
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      And here the main question arises, why should Russia creep in all the time if these hot Balkan guys cannot abide by their own agreements?

      Question to an empty place. Russia has always climbed here and there, only when it was in its interests! As for the hot guys, there is a "maalenkoe" clarification! Not Bulgarian hot guys, but Serbian, Greek and Romanian, did not comply with the agreements! The Russian Tsar was in the role of a guarantor and he did not fulfill this role!
  • Sergey S. 22 February 2020 09: 43 New
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    In conclusion, I want to note that this article does not constitute a criticism of Russia's actions in relation to Bulgaria in the period under review (1878-1944),

    Well, thank God.
    Specifically, this was still not enough. During this period, Russia itself needed support in any form, at least with a kind word. and she was not there ...
    By the way. the exception is Serbs and Serbia. They accepted the whites too. and the Reds were friends.

    there are no claims in it regarding the insufficient assistance provided to the "little brothers."

    Thank God again ...
    So the help from Russia was still ... And very polite.
    so polite that the "brothers" chose the tsar from a German house, and then they began to openly oppress the interests of Russian industrialists. And they did it (supporting preferences for the Germans) meaningfully. So meaningful. that bloody clashes broke out inside Bulgaria on this occasion - in fact, a civil war. so the "little brother" rode a lot earlier ukrobanderovtsev ...
    We love the facts.
    I don’t remember the year, the 1880s.
    The period of intra-Bulgarian showdowns. and oppression of Russian interests. By the way, after which almost all the Russians left or were even evacuated from Bulgaria.
    The cruiser "Memory of Mercury" enters the Burgas raid in the morning and at about 8 a.m. gives salute to nations - single. but the main caliber and the whole board!
    The locals - ordinary people - understood everything very precisely - the Russians were offended. Further, in the heads of the "little brothers" there was complete nonsense - they decided that the Russians would take revenge (as the Turks usually did, which, unlike us, the Bulgarians did not consider brothers), and the city began to panic and flee ...
    Russia so “crushed” Bulgaria that even after such a demonstration the German party won again, and the supporters of Russia were outweighed. as the Turks usually did. from which we freed these "little brothers", almost contrary to common sense and the available opportunities ...

    Russia and the USSR have always acted in accordance with their interests and capabilities — this is completely normal and natural.

    The war for the liberation of Bulgaria began in spite of interests and opportunities. This is a fact.
    Russia needed a period of peace. The economy was against war ...
    The political situation - all the more against the war ... By the way, the result of the war clearly demonstrated this - Constantinople was not renamed to Constantinople, they couldn’t dream of helping the Greeks, they revised the results of the peace treaty, those. who did not fight ....
    The unpreparedness of Russia was so monstrous that the Guards crew went to fight to organize crossings on the Danube (instead of guarding and entertaining the imperial family). Romania floated as floating means, everything that floats ... They collected their boats from all over Russia (in the absence of a real Black Sea fleet), the Qatar’s royal family, and the Tsarevich’s boat. boats of the commander of the Kronstadt and Petersburg ports ... boats from warships ....
    Sailors were also collected .... it was so scarce that after leaving for the place of hostilities, in St. Petersburg and Kronstadt, the number of guarded fleet objects was halved.

    Nevertheless, the assertion that Russia has always helped the "brother-Bulgarians", and they, for their part, have always responded with ingratitude and hostility, contradicts historical facts.

    Russia could not always, but Russian citizens almost always helped the Bulgarians.
    And the war began with the usual flight of officers to the Balkans for our relationship. True to justice, it should be noted that the most active went to the Serbs and Greeks (like Silvio from Pushkin's “Shot”).
    Read the diaries of F.M. Dostoevsky.
    He himself spoke at rallies, calling for a war to save the Balkan Slavs.
    By the way, it was then that he spoke in principle about the tear of a child - something like this: "The tears of Bulgarian and Serbian children call for revenge!"
    And the Russians did this without relying on the gratitude of the Bulgarians ... unfortunately. Our conscience did not allow us to be calm next to the monstrous crimes of wild Turkey.
    The same F.M. Dostoevsky describes a conversation between Bulgarian and Serbian children saved by ours from the Turkish massacre. Children even in one room sat in different angles, and they had a completely different worldview.
    The meaning of the answer, but in my own words. Serbian:
    - Our fathers are fighting. and yours hid.
    - We gave you a weapon, and you buried it ...

    My respect for the Serbs, as well as for the Belarusians, is endless.
    The worst event in my life is the betrayal by EBN of the historical interests of Russia, which did not stand next to Serbia on March 24, 1999.
    Hopefully. that it was this betrayal that caused the appointment of Presidents V.V. Putin.

    I want to reassure the Bulgarians. When they come to kill you again, the Russian man will give his life, but he won’t look from the side.
    This is our story.

    And Great Bulgaria is the business of the Bulgarians, if you can help Russia in the worst moment, you will be Great.
    1. Keyser soze 22 February 2020 10: 12 New
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      the exception is Serbs and Serbia. They accepted the whites too. and the Reds were friends.


      Bulgaria entered the Tristran Pact, two days after Serbia - that was our condition for Germany. And then the British agents managed to make a coup in Serbia. They tried and we did not succeed.

      Constantinople was not renamed in Constantinople


      In 1913, the Bulgarian army stood 25 kilometers from Constantinople and suggested that Russia take the city and transfer it to the Russian Empire. In response to this, they received an ultimatum from the Russians and from Austria-Hungary, and with two Empires it is worthless kicking. So Constantinople remained Turkish ... no and no court.
      The period of intra-Bulgarian showdowns. and oppression of Russian interests. By the way, after which almost all the Russians left or were even evacuated from Bulgaria.


      As the author wrote, it was in 1885 - immediately as Bulgaria dined and 5 minutes after Serbia attacked us, then the Russians, who made up the entire command structure of the Bulgarian army, immediately left for Russia. We have this war with Serbia for this reason called the war of captains. Not a single officer was left above the captain in the army. And so they managed by the way ...

      And Great Bulgaria is the business of the Bulgarians, if you can help Russia in the worst moment, you will be Great.


      Dear friend, in the 21st century we abandoned the concepts of the past century, abandoned Macedonia, abandoned all Great Bulgaria. These concepts introduced us into 6 wars, between 1878 and 1944. We are a small nation and we can’t fight the Great Empires, and even then and now they do not need independent states in the Balkans, independently Bulgaria or Serbia or Greece ... everyone needs obedient vassals. Both you and the Americans.

      I want to reassure the Bulgarians. When they come to kill you again, the Russian man will give his life, but he won’t look from the side.
      This is our story.


      I want to believe that in the 21st century this will no longer be. And if it becomes, then the world will perish in it, and you and we and all. But like you and we, good feelings prevail, one towards the other, and so we need to develop in the present and in peacetime.
      1. Sergey S. 22 February 2020 10: 38 New
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        Quote: Keyser Soze
        I want to believe that in the 21st century this will no longer be. And if it becomes, then the world will perish in it, and you and we and all. But like you and we, good feelings prevail, one towards the other, and so we need to develop in the present and in peacetime.

        You reason like that. as if the story is already over and you can only reap the benefits ...
        And only those will get the fruits. who does not agree to be a vassal ...
        Who lays a life. but he will fight for the VICTORY.
        Feelings inside are good, but obviously not enough.
        Your feelings need to be expressed in concrete actions.

        Not so long ago, Russia arranged another salute for nations in Bulgaria. After the betrayal of the South Stream. To do this, I had to put Erdogan in a certain position ...

        So feelings are feelings, but things need to be developed.
        And Bulgarians should not try for Russia, first of all, the West poses a danger to the survival of the Bulgarian people. you will argue for a long time - you will not have time to be saved.
        Times have come cruel. Much more cynical of the Middle Ages.
        The Bulgarians were still lucky - the Turks themselves were savages, but in the East respected culture, the Slavs were brutally suppressed, but the Slavic culture was not destroyed ... Well. maybe only Albanians forgot about their heroic ancestors.
        In the struggle against the legacy of the Great Roman Empire of the Germanic peoples, many peoples disappeared who died in the struggle for independence - Prussians, Zhmud. The Poles obeyed the pope ... But while the small Czech Republic fought, they preserved the genotype and culture of their ancestors. Now, with the accession to the European Union, we are waiting ... for a historically short period, and we will be wondering how to distinguish a Czech from a German ...
        For some reason, the Serbs understand this, but their closest neighbors do not.

        I really hope that during my lifetime I will see the collapse of the European Union, Bulgaria and the Baltic states at the trough, the Ukraine falling apart in molecules and the avalanche-like process of Russia’s entry into Russia, the repentance of Western "democracies" for the genocide of the peoples of Asia and Africa - primarily before China, the international tribunal over NATO for Yugoslavia and Iraq, over the people who started the destruction of Libya ...
        Our strength is in Truth. ... And they will die, if only they try to stop the historical process of the development of peoples and social transformations.
        1. RitaNik 22 February 2020 12: 25 New
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          What is the point of being angry with the "little brothers" and cursing them if we ourselves left our zone of influence in Eastern Europe in the "saints" of the 90s? What have we done to save the military presence there and the economic ties that the previous generations developed, which, incidentally, were a victory in the Second World War and ensured the country's authority for other nations?
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            History does not know the subjunctive mood, but if the former country existed now, then the zone of influence in Europe would be different and the “ungrateful little brothers” would not discuss now. Respect the strong. This is the world in which we live.
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          Quote: Sergey S.
          You reason like that. as if the story is already over and you can only reap the benefits ...

          Sorry to intervene in the dialogue. Let there be more opinions! It is always useful!
          And only those will get the fruits. who does not agree to be a vassal ...

          Like, only close, allied relations with Russia / USSR / RI are correct? Is everything else vassality?
          Your feelings need to be expressed in concrete actions.

          In interpersonal relations, in relations between peoples, feelings have a place to be. But the rulers, leading the politics of the countries, are not guided by feelings. They act in accordance with the interests of the state, as they understand it! There is a nuance - feelings between nations affect politics! Sometimes politicians don't like it! Therefore, propaganda is trying to shape public opinion for the sake of politics! You and we have been instilled a negative one to the other for many years. The effect of the Bulgarians is almost invisible. But the Russians, very much! Think about it ...
          After the betrayal of the South Stream.

          Politics => Propaganda! The main thesis is "Bulgaria's betrayal"! And what really happened there, a big question ...
          And Bulgarians should not try for Russia, first of all, the West poses a danger to the survival of the Bulgarian people. you will argue for a long time - you will not have time to be saved.

          What is the difference between the present Russia and the West? In terms of socio-political structure? Ideology? Having adopted capitalism in an ego-gestural form, has Russia begun to flourish?
          Times have come cruel. Much more cynical of the Middle Ages.

          As you advise the Bulgarians, I still ask ... Is Russia outside the global processes? "Island of stability"? Alternative project ???
          The Poles obeyed the pope ... But while the small Czech Republic fought, they preserved the genotype and culture of their ancestors.

          Poland and the Czech Republic - DOS. religion is catholicism. Poland and the Czech Republic are members of NATO and the EU. These two peoples have very close genetics! By genotype, they are the most "Slavic" of the Slavic. Poland and the Czech Republic have a similar culture. They kept it almost parallel in the course of history. In short, there are feedbacks, but they look much more.
          For some reason, the Serbs understand this, but their closest neighbors do not.

          They began to understand after the 90s, when it became clear that the West was against their Balkan empire. And before that, they were very pro-Western! We had economic and freedom of movement, which we never dreamed of! During socialism with Yugoslavia, they looked at us all "in the east" with neglect.
          I really hope that during my lifetime I will see the collapse of the European Union, Bulgaria and the Baltic states at a trough, Ukraine falling apart into molecules and an avalanche-like process ...

          A brilliant example of a destructive mentality! Instead of undertaking to create a successful alternative, competitive project, what do we have? "let them fall apart!" negative
          The European Union has its drawbacks! Despite them, he is the most successful in the history of the economic and political unification of the European peoples! And why? Because for the first time, no one forces anyone to go into it! And no one forces anyone to remain in it! The EU is based on a voluntary principle!
          Our strength is in Truth. ... And they will die, if only they try to stop the historical process of the development of peoples and social transformations.

          Truths are different! Everyone has their own! But the Truth is one! And she is not in your monopoly!
          Congratulations to the minus ... laughing
          1. Sergey S. 23 February 2020 00: 28 New
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            Like, only close, allied relations with Russia / USSR / RI are correct? Is everything else vassality?

            pytar (Boyan Ivanov) - maybe you do not understand the shades of the Russian language, but my statement that we do not need vassals, and generally vassals, is unworthy.
            I would even say that in Russia they don’t even talk about younger brothers ... They talk about brothers!
            What do you think, we want to take the whole world under protection? God forbid!
            But we did not remain indifferent when they humiliate and kill those whom we consider brothers.
            And every time we saw the gratitude of the Serbs, Greeks, Croats-Ragusins ​​... Never Serbs and Greeks were called younger brothers ...
            legends about younger brothers were invented not in Russia. They came up with those. who felt. that an irresponsible existence in the image of a younger brother is beneficial for him. And he himself sold himself as a vassal / younger brother. But the Great Russians usually didn’t like this — we do not allow such a policy in our hearts.

            You are very mistaken in the rest of your reasoning.
            Russian man, what was it like. and remained so. And isms have nothing to do with it. Cuba, Vietnam, China, Korea and other nations also remained without our subsidies ... in many respects, unfortunately. But they only clenched their teeth ... but they didn’t sell the national policy ...

            It makes no sense to speak badly about the Serbs. Do not convince. Serbs are excellent persistent soldiers. We respect those.

            But you didn’t understand about the Czechs ... The terrible thing for them began when they joined the European Union ... And for the Bulgarians too ... If you don’t understand why the European Union was organized, you’re in trouble. By the way, our historians have long drawn a line, determining where the ancient Russian artifacts were preserved. And it turned out that the Golden Ring with ancient temples and other monuments of the 11-13th centuries are territories. who entered the Golden Horde. And those principalities that turned to Catholics for help (all Western states) were almost completely destroyed, that is, the ancient culture of the people was completely destroyed. There weren’t even foundations from the capital cities ... This is about the Principality of Galicia-Volyn ... and all the west of Smolensk and Kiev. Europeans. as were savages in the middle ages. as they remained.
            If you need clarification - read the Arab authors, read about Saladin, study the "acts" of the crusaders ...

            And yet, as soon as the European Union ceases to subsidize poor countries, I hope for your enlightenment ... And try to get out of their "guardianship" ...

            True, we have one! And the statement that I quoted is the cult words from the movie "Brother", and not the seed for discussion.

            He knew a lot of Bulgarians who studied in Leningrad. Very nice guys. Half are brothers in general. But there were those who tried to say something about the Serbs. Honestly. They failed to convince me of their "truths."
            1. pytar 23 February 2020 01: 46 New
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              If I start to answer, I will write 2 times more than you. I think it’s not worth it. We will remain with our opinions. As for the Serbs, I’ll still say a few words. bully This is the people closest to us. We understand without a translator. And yet, 13 centuries, with the exclusion of Turkish slavery, we are fighting among themselves. During this time, the Serbs occupied the east 300 km. former Bulgarian ethnic territory. Now in Serbia there is a Bulgarian ethnic minority, there is no Serbian in Bulgaria. There is never and never has been a single Bulgarian plan or idea about eliminating Serbia as a state! Serbian / Drawing Garashanina / appeared even when the Bulgarians were under Ottoman slavery. Not even 7 years have passed after Bulgaria became free and none other, namely Serbia attacked us in 1885! Vilely in the rear, while our young army was waiting on the southern border of the invasion of the Turks! The Serbian plan provided for an easy victory and the subsequent liquidation of Bulgaria as a viable state.

              The conditions for capitulation were terrible! Accession to Serbia, all western Bulgaria, including Sofia. The capital was supposed to move to Tarnovo. Bulgaria was cut off from its third part - Macedonia. Further, Serbian strategists planned to occupy Macedonia, and under suitable conditions the rest of Bulgaria, to the Black Sea. A small state, and such ambitions! It did not work out for them. We beat them. In Vidin, there is a monument to the victory in the Serbian-Bulgarian war of 1885. It is very interesting, since it depicts a Bulgarian soldier, who does not have the joy of victory! Because it was a fratricidal war! The war that we did not start!

              But in the second Balkan war, they still managed to occupy Macedonia, and in WW1 and our Western Outskirts. From the perspective of time, it is clear that the Serbs have not achieved anything. Macedonia has left! Encroaching on someone else’s / Macedania /, the Serb lost his! Kosovo! Bosnia! They were expelled from Khorvania! Montenegro also left! Serbs were punished from above! As our great poet and writer Ivan Vazov says - there is a higher power, there is a higher justice!
              For all this complicated story, we do not hate the Serbs! Do not hold them evil! In Bulgaria you can hear Serbian music! More often than Bulgarian! Because we know - Justice in our country! Patience, benevolence - this is our suffering wisdom! It seems to me that after the past cataclysms, the Serbs also finally received insight! I want to believe that they took into account the lessons of history! At the household level, we have no problem with them! To the joy and relationship between our states, now the best in history!
              I know that no one can convince you. Such is the character of the Russian man. From that and all your problems, misunderstanding from others. But time is changing ... and a new Insight will come to you! You harness for a long time, but then quickly jump! You will become others, you have enormous potential for spiritual development! I hope to live to those times, and if not, our children will survive. Everything will be fine! hi
  • Operator 22 February 2020 11: 07 New
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    Bulgarians practically did not participate in the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-78, the so-called Bulgarian squads were scanty in relation to the mobilization resource of the territories inhabited by the Bulgarian-speaking population of the Balkans. The entire severity of the war was borne by the Russian army, the Bulgarian mountaineers got their state from the hands of Russia in fact for free.

    Immediately after the invitation to the German throne, the Bulgarians launched a preventive war against their Orthodox neighbors - Serbia, Greece and Romania under the slogan of creating Great Bulgaria (which was not supported by Russia, Britain and France) - i.e. became the first hyenas in Europe (as defined by Winston Churchill), ahead of Poland in this matter.

    Since then, the Bulgarians have been ardent Russophobia, which is expressed in the constant participation of Bulgaria in anti-Russian military blocs - the Triple Alliance in WWI, the Anti-Comintern Pact in WWII and NATO at present. Bulgaria's entry into the Warsaw Pact Organization was made only under the pressure of the USSR.

    At the same time, a significant part of the country's population even denies that they are Slavs (despite the appropriate culture and language), appealing the history that nomadic Türks stood at the origins of the Bulgarian statehood, giving the country its titular name (the larger Slavic population fully assimilated the Türks but phantom conceit remains).
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    Yes otmazyvatsya for 100-200 years ago, which is not so Russia created Bulgaria can be anyway.
    It would be better if the author wrote, why now the Bulgarian stream has turned into Turkish and the Bulgarians are “on the drain”, why are the airplanes not letting the airplanes through their airspace into the ports of the military and with special missions?
    sheer acts of a clearly hostile state
    1. RitaNik 22 February 2020 12: 44 New
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      Let me suggest: perhaps because our country left a zone of influence in Eastern Europe 30 years ago?
    2. Keyser soze 22 February 2020 13: 17 New
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      why military doesn’t let planes through its airspace


      Only 3 days ago, Bulgaria launched through its airspace the Russian delivery of Shell C1 and missiles to Serbia. If not us, then you would have to fly to Serbia via Mars. All your flights to Serbia, with military cargo, pass through Bulgaria, and ALL other countries refuse you. And also, we refused Romania and Ukraine to make a joint fleet on the Black Sea, against Russia. Obviously continuous actions of a hostile state.
      Obviously you better look at Bulgaria through the prism of your relations with all other neighbors and see if there is any country that has a better relationship to you than we do. Yes, we are in NATO and we perceive it as a guard against war in the Balkans, and we do not care about you, nor do we consider you a threat, but we will not sacrifice our interests so that we will not like it. Because you are stuffing Turkey with weapons and if tomorrow they fight the Greeks, then it will affect us. And you will express regret and drive away. Just as they drove from the Warsaw Pact and CEB, or as in 1885.
  • iouris 22 February 2020 12: 47 New
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    The service provided does not cost anything. Stop poisoning historic sores. We need to think about the future: to correct the consequences of the fact that the USSR was dissolved and the communist project was discontinued. Today's Bulgarians and Russians are not responsible for victories and historical errors. In addition, the bulk of those who express radical opinions do not suffer from the knowledge and understanding of historical processes as a whole, so they are engaged in interpreting "details", forgetting that the devil is in the details. Leave these questions to narrow specialists. It is more important to be able to effectively interact with the counterparty. Trade. If there is nothing to trade, then there is no interaction.
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    On September 9, 1944, a new government came to power in Sofia, and Bulgaria joined the ranks of the anti-Hitler coalition.

    ,,,it was found truce, Bulgaria on the one hand, and the USSR, USA, the United Kingdom on the other.
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    The same example when the article was prepared according to the rules of common sense: links to sources are given, and thoughts are stated clearly and clearly.
    Along the way, this is a rarity for VO - as soon as we start talking about allies, everything slips to juggling with unconfirmed facts, tossing a guano on a fan and mutual insults.
    The culture of the argument, you take it.

    As for the content of the article, I will say this - everyone has their own opinion and you can’t change it with one article.
    As for me, my country has never had and never will have truly devoted allies, and there are a lot of reasons for this, from the lack of an ideological core to economic and socio-political backwardness.
    As for Bulgaria specifically, a small country is spinning as best it can to solve its problems, but in politics there is no term "betrayal", there is only a current need.
    So that.
    1. iouris 22 February 2020 15: 16 New
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      A “betrayed ally” is an ally whom is betrayed. To betray is to foresee. What did Gorbi foresee and the leadership of the KGB of the USSR, which implemented the pro-project of the "entry" of the USSR into Europe?
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        What did Gorbi foresee and the leadership of the KGB of the USSR, which implemented the pro-project of the "entry" of the USSR into Europe?

        I suppose nothing.
        The level of incompetence was just off scale. Some unfortunate economists (Yegor, Ryzhiy, etc.) built the economic model of perestroika on the example of Hungary, while others (Tagged) didn’t expand eastward under the word (Karl!), Curtailed the most efficient group and threw it into the Non-Black Earth lands, like would (I don’t know for sure, so for a red word).
        It’s even worse than traitors - at least you can hate them, and these are just aphids.
        But the main question is - if they are aphids, then the CPSU - who?
        That's the same thing.
  • bubalik 22 February 2020 15: 20 New
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    ,,, in addition to historical facts, I would like to hear from the author of the article the attitude of the population at the moment towards Russia.
    In September 2019, the first of a series of exhibitions dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the liberation of European countries from the Nazi occupation by the Red Army opened in the Russian Cultural and Information Center in Sofia. How do people feel about this?


    1. pytar 22 February 2020 17: 01 New
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      In September 2019, the first of a series of exhibitions dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the liberation of European countries from the Nazi occupation by the Red Army opened in the Russian Cultural and Information Center in Sofia. How do people feel about this?

      From those wishing to visit the exhibition, there was no end! So many people came that they stood in long lines! I’m putting a video from Russia 1. True, the commentator “slightly” distorted the reaction of the Bulgarian authorities, but this is a topic for another conversation ... By the way, one of the Bulgarians said a very interesting piece, which I subscribe to with two hands! Turn your attention to the 1.41 minute report!

      "They are trying to set up the Bulgarians against the Russians, like Russia is bad! It doesn’t work! Let’s better then set the Russians against the Bulgarians!" - I will add from myself: it turns out! Just look at the comments in the forum! Wait so!
      Still - a small group of anti-Stalinists gathered near the exhibition! Do not confuse with Russophobia! In Bulgaria, these are two completely different things! There are anti-Stalinists, anti-communists, but you will count Russophobes on your fingers! In rus-media, they deliberately set equality by exposing the Bulgarians to Russophobes! hi
  • Marine engineer 22 February 2020 15: 52 New
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    [quote = Sergey Averchenkov] Well, let it be so ... will it be the answer? [/

    Because in May 2014, our Swiss Commander-in-Chief (or whatever) flew to our Supreme Commander, after which the GDP at the briefing looked rather pathetic.
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      in May 2014, our Swiss Commander flew to our supreme commander ...

      and after that the "Russian spring" ended, the offensive of LDN stopped laughing
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        and after that the "Russian spring" ended,

        Representatives of the DNR, LC and 19 regions of Ukraine today announced the creation of the state of Little Russia. The constitutional act of the new state was read at the meeting of delegates in Donetsk by the Acting Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the DPR Alexander Timofeev.

        “The one watching from Moscow is in front of me,” I realized. There was no great mind to guess.

        - We must disavow everything. Within half an hour, ”he said in a low, dull voice.

        I have never seen Zakharchenko so silent. Having run up a little and carefully looking for the right minute word, the correct intonation - he is the Head of the republic, and he will speak like the Head - but ... somewhere there is an emperor.

        - Who transmitted this? - asked the Head.

        “He conveyed whoever is needed,” it is routine, and as if already tired of the conversation, the beholder said; and repeated again: - We must disavow. Otherwise, there will be trouble. Everyone has.

        https://e-libra.ru/read/582335-nekotorye-ne-popadut-v-ad.html
  • ser56 22 February 2020 17: 38 New
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    "Nevertheless, the assertion that Russia has always helped the" brother-Bulgarians ", and they, for their part, have always responded with ingratitude and hostility, contradicts historical facts."
    facts are a stubborn thing - they fought in 1 and 2 MB against us, now in NATO ...
    passages amuse ..
    "Russia accepted the terms of the Berlin Congress to prevent the Crimean War from repeating. Nevertheless, it is not a secret that the main decisions of the Berlin Congress (including the" trimmed "borders of Bulgaria) were previously agreed between Russia and Great Britain in the so-called London Agreement in May 1878. "
    And where is the contradiction? Was RI the second time to fight with united Europe for the interests of Bulgaria? Are the bros really want a lot? They themselves did not want to fight for Russia at all in either 1MB or 2MB - they were interested in the interest ... and the memory of 150 dead Russians betrayed ... request
    "It is completely logical that the main objective of the Principality of Bulgaria was the return of the territories selected by the decision of the Berlin Congress and the restoration of San Stefan Bulgaria, that is, the unification of the Principality of Bulgaria, Eastern Rumelia and the regions of Thrace and Macedonia."
    so these are the goals of the Bulgarians, not Russia request as there - help once and become forever ...
    "Probably, we should expect that Russia will welcome" and someone asked RI?
    "It is not difficult to understand all the madness of this act." here and bear your own burden ... but RI is again to blame ...
    "On October 14, 1915, Bulgaria declares war on Serbia (note - Serbia, not Russia) and thus enters the war on the side of the Central Powers." Does the author read himself? There was a coalition war, so declaring war on Serbia attacked Russia ....
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      "Russia accepted the terms of the Berlin Congress to prevent a repeat of the Crimean War. ....................... RI was supposed to fight the united Europe for the interests of Bulgaria for the second time? "

      Explain who in Europe, not just in words but in BUSINESS, was ready to speak out against Russia in “Crimean War 2”, only without fantasies.
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        Explain who in Europe, not just in words but in BUSINESS, was ready to speak out against Russia in “Crimean War 2”, only without fantasies.

        "The Berlin Congress was preceded by a series of agreements. On May 18 (30), 1878, a secret Anglo-Russian agreement took place, which predetermined the general terms of the revision of the San Stefan Treaty. On May 23 (June 4), England signed a secret treaty with Turkey on a defensive alliance - Cyprus the convention, according to which Great Britain gained the right to occupy Cyprus and the right to control the implementation of reforms in Asia Minor by the Turkish government, England undertook to defend the border in Asia by “force of arms” if Russia demanded their correction outside the limits defined in San Stefano. The Austrian agreement of May 25 (June 6) also defined a common course of action for both powers in Congress. "
        Gorchakov knew better on the spot, if you had a different point of view - your right ... request
  • Cossack 471 22 February 2020 18: 04 New
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    From all this, one indisputable conclusion; no need to intervene in the conflicts of European states. They will make peace anyway and will continue to cooperate further. And as usual they will begin to defame us And it turns out. that we, having laid the lives of our soldiers for their liberation, become their enemies The centuries of experience have not taught us anything ...
  • gsev 22 February 2020 21: 59 New
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    "after almost eleven months of hostilities, at the cost of the lives of more than 15000 soldiers."
    How much does the figure of 15 thousand correspond to the losses of the Russian army in the Russo-Turkish war? As far as I know, only on Shipka and Plevna, about 15 died. For example, in one attack on the Russian positions on Shipka, the Circassian division was almost completely lost. Moreover, the Russian troops in the reflection of the attack used up not only ammunition, but also stones. At the end of the battle, the corpses of the deceased comrades were dumped on the Circassians. In addition, there was a front in Transcaucasia, where the Russians defended and retreated at the beginning of the war. As far as I know, by the end of the war almost the entire Russian army died out of epidemics. Therefore, it was not possible to fight against the new European coalition of Russia. Hence the concessions at the Berlin Congress. In addition, Russia made concessions not only in the Balkans, but also in Asia Minor. In the internecine wars of the Slavs, Russia maintained neutrality. As far as I know, Bulgaria is actively supplying Ukraine and Syrian fighters with weapons and ammunition. Against this background, Russian policy in the 000th century towards Bulgaria was much more balanced. Shelling Bulgarian cities at the beginning of World War I was a sensible strategy. He forced Bulgaria to keep artillery and infantry on the coast, which slightly eased the position of the Serbian ally. The destruction of the port structure hindered the operation of the Turkish fleet. In general, entering a coalition war, Bulgaria assumed responsibility for all the actions of its allies. Therefore, in the burning of the Louvain Library, the shooting of Belgian hostages, Lidece, Oradour, Khatyt, Yasinovac, there is a significant share of Bulgaria ..
  • sleeve 23 February 2020 05: 26 New
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    Yeah. I've already heard, seen and read this. No, dear author, an excuse in history is not the most successful function. And you are so cute every time you use the phrase "neutral again." If you have children, then you naturally always stand on the side of one of them. But, even if you throw away all the romantic husk and paint, well, at least the events you mentioned, the sequence of steps of Bulgaria in history will not confirm the opinion that it was "forced". Rather, "she always wanted to."
  • Nikolai Korovin 24 February 2020 00: 58 New
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    The author is trying to refute the opinion that he emphasized in italics at the beginning of the article, against which there is essentially nothing to object to, from the point of view that Bulgaria is right in all its actions, and poor Russia betrayed it in Berlin in 1878, which is why all the practical Bulgarian politics has begun.
    Firstly, the author is silent that in February 1878 the Turkish army practically did not exist. San Stefano is essentially a suburb of Constantinople. The Russian army could well enter Constantinople. Why didn’t the war end with a victorious entry into the capital of the enemy? Because Russia was subjected to pressure from England. And not just diplomatic pressure. The English fleet entered the Sea of ​​Marmara. The British made it clear that they would not allow the capture of Constantinople by the Russian army.
    The secret agreement with England, which Russia also signed under pressure, was immediately followed by the signing of the Cyprus Convention between England and Turkey, according to which Turkey, in fact, ceded England to Cyprus, and England, for its part, undertook to prevent Bulgaria’s borders from changing for the worse. for Turkey, the side down to protecting the borders of Turkey with arms in hand.
    It is clear that the London Agreement, signed a few days earlier, was in fact a consequence of the already agreed, but not yet signed Cyprus Convention.
    A few months later, at the Berlin Congress, Russia was faced with the agreed position of England, Austria-Hungary, which had its own specific claims in the Balkans, and Germany. Bismarck verbally demonstrated neutrality, but in fact supported England and Austria-Hungary. To preserve the borders of Bulgaria under the San Stefano Treaty, Russia would have to fight for Bulgaria with this whole coalition. It was this fact that led several years later to the Franco-Russian alliance. Bulgaria should have been grateful to Russia that despite such pressure, some kind of independent Bulgaria did take place, and so-called "Eastern Rumelia" (most of today's southern Bulgaria) received autonomy.
    No, Russia is bad, because of Bulgaria it did not start a war against the coalition, whose forces far exceeded its forces.
    As for the world wars, judging by the answers to the comments, it seems that the author really just comes to the ambiguity of the position of Bulgaria. We supposedly took only ours, well, the Germans also promised us something. And dozens of Bulgarian divisions successfully replaced the German, which went straight to the Soviet-German front. And we say, we ourselves did not fight with Russia. No, it does not reach the point that this is a direct betrayal.
    Well, there’s nothing to talk about NATO. Entered absolutely voluntarily. Of course. After all, Russia is a constant threat to Bulgaria.
    Here in the comments they write that the ruling elite is one thing, and the Bulgarian people is another. Monuments saves. One can agree with a stretch. There are many scumbags who would like to demolish them. But - yes, there are people who do not allow this to be done. It is a fact. But the author himself, although appealing to this fact, clearly refers, at least in opinion, to the “elite”. That one is also "brother".
    As for the boundaries of the exarchate, who will understand there now - in which area there were more Bulgarians, and in which Greeks and Serbs? All Orthodox. The Turks did not intend to support the borders of potential Slavic states and contributed to this mixing. It was this uncertainty of the national composition of the exarchate that led to the 2nd Balkan War. No, we took only ours. From a position of strength - Bulgaria was stronger than Greece and Serbia combined. Again, the author clearly slanders that Russia allegedly herself backed out of mediation. As a result, the issue was decided by the intervention of Romania, which, nevertheless, behaved modestly and limited itself to Dobrudja. Yes, it was only through this matter that World War I eventually blazed. Austria-Hungary intensified, cocked our Ferdinand, etc. Nothing, Bulgaria was not particularly affected. Neither in the First World War, nor in the Second.

    I do not know to whom the expression belongs that the Balkans is the powder magazine of Europe. When it exploded in the cellar in 1914, in the end, Russia suffered the most. According to the results of Versailles, all the countries of the "cellar" left Katavasia at a profit. Serbia generally turned into Yugoslavia. True, of course, they were going to break it up, which ultimately happened. It’s a very strange idea - to unite for many centuries the Serbs who fought with the Turks and the Croats who have completely accustomed to Austria-Hungary. It is true that Tito was a Croat, for the time being - no one thought for a while, and so if you look: that he spoke so sharply against Stalin? "Dear comrade Tito, you are now our friend and brother. As Nikita told us all, you are not to blame for anything." There is a noticeable correlation with Bulgarian affairs.

    So if the author is really “brother”, then there is nothing to justify the treacherous behavior of his “elite” towards Russia. Now - take at least the South Stream. They forced Russia to negotiate with Turkey. A reliable partner, you know, is Turkey. It delivers good tomatoes ... And then, after all, they changed their minds a little, and they still receive gas. It’s sickening to even think about all this.
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    "6824 died of wounds" - i.e. do not you consider these figures in the RIA loss column? By the way, your "army" has a little loss in that war. right after these fake numbers I don’t want to read further - again everyone offended the poor “brothers”, etc. etc.
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    Thanks for the thoughtful thought-out article. There are problems in our relations at the foreign policy level, but most Bulgarians are friendly to Russians (yes, to Russians, and not just to Russians).
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    On the other hand, there is a pre-war treaty and the Russian emperor is recognized as an arbiter. Perhaps we should expect the intervention of the emperor, who will help the "little brothers" and make the Serbs retreat? But no, Russia is not interfering.

    Not true. The Russian emperor intervened, but Bulgaria did not wait for his arbitration and attacked his allies, the first incited by Germany. With it, Bulgaria lost all of Odrinsky Thrace.
    The central powers easily promise to transfer Macedonia to Bulgaria. Entente countries are not ready to make such a decision, although Winston Churchill, who at that time was a member of the Supreme Military Council of Great Britain, insisted on meeting the requirements of Bulgaria. In the end, on October 14, 1915, Bulgaria declares war on Serbia (note - Serbia, not Russia) and thus enters the war on the side of the Central Powers.

    Wrong. The Entente promised Odrinsky Thrace almost to Istanbul, and Germany did not promise anything there because the Ottoman Empire beat its ally. Serbia should have beaten to return the territory in 1913 and part of Macedonia. White Sea Thrace and so beat in Bulgaria then. The decision to join Germany is not connected with Macedonia, but with an assessment of the Bulgarian military-political leadership who will play the war. Because only winners can give something. So the General Staff wrote that Germany had already lost the war.
    March 1, 1941 Bulgaria officially joined the Tripartite Pact. The main promises of Hitler were the return of Bulgaria to the territories torn away as a result of the 1913 Inter-Allied War (Macedonia, White Sea Thrace, Dobrudja).

    Wrong. On March 1, 1941, Hitler did not promise any Macedonia because Yugoslavia was preparing to join the pact. On the contrary, Hitler promised the Yugoslavs Greek Macedonia along with Solun (Thessaloniki). South Dobrudzha had already beaten returned to Bulgaria with the help of the USSR in 1940 and therefore remained in Bulgaria after the war. So Hitler promised only White Sea Thrace. On the contrary, then the USSR promised, in addition to the White Sea Thrace and Macedonia. Bulgaria joined the Hitler Pact only because the military-political leadership made a catastrophic mistake in assessing the outcome of the war.
    Moreover, the pro-Soviet Bulgarian Communist Party (BKP) did not take active action against the alliance with Germany until June 22, 1941

    The Bulgarian Communist Party took active action for the pact with the USSR (Sobolevaya rally) in late 1940 and then against entering the Tristranium Pact in early 1941. If they accepted then the Communist Party council could avoid a lot of trouble and get Thrace.
  • BAI
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    The message of the article is very clear. Russia is obligated to support all territorial claims of Bulgaria and to pay for it with the blood of its soldiers.
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      With Russian support from Bulgaria, Constantinople and the Straits would be Russian back in 1913. Then our army was 25 km from there, awaiting only Russian approval for the attack. Got ... Russian denial and even military threats. Of course, Bulgaria is too small to manage the straits, but Russia could get everything without any casualties. Of course, plus the Russian base on the Aegean, if we had not lost territory then. From the Bulgarian point of view, Russia's geopolitics regarding Bulgaria is incomprehensible.
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    Dear, the only NATO country that is not involved in planning a nuclear attack on Russia is France. Not Bulgaria. Remember this.

    I see that you are one of the apologists for the “Beat the Bulgarians to Ours” movement. And an ardent Bulgarianophobic-fictional.
    For your information, during the Warsaw Pact, missiles with a special charge were secretly located on the territory of Bulgaria, although this fact is very, very unknown. This is the only time Bulgaria has had Soviet nuclear weapons, and nuclear weapons in general. Now, if there are any agreements on nuclear weapons within the framework of NATO, then they are again secret.
    And your "nuclear planning" is such a joke with you, right?
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    Bulgarians, do not blame the Russians for not accepting Constantinople when we could take it. This city has been Turkish for so long for the simple reason that the two great empires could not allow others to get it. If the Russians take Constantinople, the most important place for Britain - the Suez Canal - will be in danger. If the British capture Constantinople, Russian sea trade will be destroyed. If we had conquered Constantinople, the British would have taken it before the Russians could come. The British fleet was in Cyprus and was ready to intervene at any moment. Russia threatened us with war, because our conquest of Constantinople would actually transfer the city to the British, we could not resist their attack.
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    I have a question for the Russians: thank you for releasing us, but why only in 1878? You had the opportunity to do this twice, but you were not interested. In 1878, 100 Russians were killed for our freedom (eternal gratitude), a century ago, at the cost of 000 victims, Catherine the Great achieved some political goals, among which, however, there was no freedom in Bulgaria. Could the liberation of Bulgaria be part of a plan to capture the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles? According to such a plan, Bulgaria needs to be weak in order to cope with it easily, it cannot be allowed to become too strong, because it will be an obstacle. In fact, after the liberation, Russia's policy towards Bulgaria is only one thing: to remain as weak and disconnected as possible.
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    I have been reading this site for a long time and am very surprised by Bulgarianophobia here. I don’t know why it is Illiteracy, Ignorance of my own history or some kind of political order. But no matter what, no one has time to quarrel our two brotherly peoples. We have the same Bulgarian blood - YES NOT SLAVIC AND BULGARIAN! (read Jagfar Tarihi and Nariman Tarihi, probably other izetniks have become well-known).
    I want to congratulate the author of the article, I also thought of writing on this topic. But it is not the Bulgarians who are to blame for the fact that the last Russian Emperors Alexander III and Nicholas II were so incompetent that they ruined the Empire, their children and Myself. Twice (in 1913 and World War I), the Bulgarian army could fulfill the primordial Russian dream to take possession of the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles and give it to Russia, but the short-sighted Nicholas II (I try to use the softest words) missed them. Of course, our Tsar Ferdinand was no better than them.
    About betrayal - Baba (Bulgarian grandmother) Vanga, which you often quoted said that Russia is the body, and Bulgaria the Head and the spirit. And only when they together will prospect. Most of you served in the Soviet army and vowed to defend him to the last drop of blood - as there was no one general, one officer, one soldier or one man who would shoot these traitors who destroyed the USSR and brought so much misfortune to people. Who betrayed and threw everyone into 90s, is not your favorite Gorbachov !?
    Or as it is written in the Bible - before you see a straw in your neighbor's eye, remove the log from yours.
    So, brothers, the so-called "Russians," teach your story, but not the one you created after Catherine II, but even before Peter I. Your true story is much more glorious and great than the invented "Russian" story.
    After the capture of Ivan the Terrible, Kazan called himself the Tsar of all Bulgarians and (later) Russians.
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      I don’t know why this is so. Illiteracy, Ignorance of my own history or some sort of political order.

      Rather, brains. And the ability to think.
      You see, Russians can spit in the soul for a long time, they will wipe themselves off and continue to call them "brothers."
      But as the classics used to say, in the end the quantity goes into quality.

      And Bulgaria is starting to get the attitude that it has long sought.
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      After the capture of Ivan the Terrible, Kazan called himself the Tsar of all Bulgarians and (later) Russians.

      Quote: Captain Weight
      Ignorance of my own story

      laughing laughing laughing
      Bulgaria, not Bulgaria
      Bulgars, by the way, Turks
      laughing laughing laughing
      1. Captain weight 8 March 2020 11: 50 New
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        Yes, I agree that history should be studied. This is only for people who want to know their TRUE History. A quote from the set of Bulgarian annals of Bakhshi Iman “Jagfar Tarihi” (1680):

        But what does Ukraine have to do with it? - another impatient reader will exclaim. And despite the fact that Ukraine in the XNUMXth century became the center of another large Bulgarian state - the Great Bulgaria, stretching from the Carpathians to Altai. Each Ukrainian is a descendant of the Bulgars and other Idelians - and consequently, the Bulgarian history, starting from Idel (where Ukraine already entered) and until the collapse of the Great Bulgaria into Kiev Bulgaria (Rus) and the Volga Bulgaria in the XNUMXth century, is also its history.
        The Bulgarian imperial dynasty Dulo, founded by a shaman, made the trident its emblem under the name "Baltavar" - i.e. “Ax” (Balta) - bow (var). ” In the Bulgarian state, an ax and a bow were attributes of imperial power, and besides that they symbolized forest territories (ax) and steppe (bow). The Bulgarian tsars emphasized with their emblem that they are the rulers of the endless forest-steppe Eurasia. During the reign of the Bulgarian kagan from the Dulo dynasty Kurbat Küngrat ("Kurbat"), Idel’s territory really stretched from the Balkans to Altai and was called Bulgaria (Great Bulgaria). At the end of the VII century. The Great Bulgaria is divided into Northern Bulgaria (Black Bulgaria with the center in Bashtu - Kiev), Southern Bulgaria (Khazaria) and Western Bulgaria (Danube or Balkan Bulgaria). But both in Black Bulgaria and in Khazaria, where the representatives of the Dulo dynasty ruled, the emblem of Dulo, the trident, remained the state emblem.
        In the IX century. and Black Bulgaria is divided into two Bulgarian states - Ukrainian Bulgaria with its center in Kiev (which is called Urus - Russia, Kievan Rus) and Volga Bulgaria (which is called Ak Bulgar) with centers in the cities of Bulgar, Bulyar and Kazan. After the Volga Bulgaria converted to Islam as a state religion in 922, Muslim jurists committed a complete ban on the old state symbols - remnants of pagan times. For some time the Bulgarian kings managed to keep the trident “Baltavar” under the pretext that, supposedly, he symbolizes the Arabic letter U “b” and means “Bulgaria”. But by the end of the 12th century, the trident “Baltavar” ceases to be beaten with the official emblem of the Volga Bulgaria and is later appropriated - as a tamga - one of the XNUMX provinces of Bulgaria - Tubjak (modern Kazakhstan). However, the Bulgarian rulers continued to consider the Baltavar their tribal tamga.
        Ukraina (Kara-Saklan) was part of the Idel power with at least the 988rd yew. BC Soon after renaming Idel in Bulgaria in the VII century. the center of the Bulgarian state is transferred to Ukraine, to Bashtu - Kiev. Therefore, from the VII century. in the minds of the Bulgarian population, the Ukrainian trident became a symbol of this part of Great Bulgaria. After the collapse of Black Bulgaria in the middle of the IX century. the Bulgarian tsar Gabdulla Dzhilki got its eastern part (Volga Bulgaria), and his younger brother Lachnn - its western part (Ukrainian Bulgaria), which received the name of the Bulgarian tsar at the beginning of the 1th century. Urus Aydar - "Urus" ("Rus", "Kievan Rus"), If the Bulgarian feudal lords (Bullyar |) Muslims dominated in the Volga Bulgaria, then the Bulgarian bullyars (boyars-boyars) - Tengrians | Birgyun (“Perun” Russian chronicles). The Grand Dynasty of Russia was founded by Lachs and also considered the trident “Baltavar” to be his coat of arms. Unlike Volga Bulgaria, the Bulgarian rulers of Russia kept the trident as a coat of arms and their state until the XII century. For example, Grand Duke Vladimir (great-grandson of Lachnna) minted a trident on his coins and after the adoption of Christianity by Russia as a state religion (XNUMX). Only at the beginning of the XII century. Grand Duke Vladimir Monomakh, who ravaged the Bulgarian culture of Kievan Rus, out of a desire to reorient Russia to a connection with the Christian West, tried to strip the trident of the coat of arms of Kievan Rus. Vladimir Monomakh not only banned the Bulgarian trident, but also faked Russian chronicles. On his orders, the monks of the chronicles turned Lachn into "Rurik", the sina Lachin, Uger into "Igor", etc.
        Fortunately, other Ukrainian sources of that time, in which the Kiev rulers of the 1180thth centuries, reached us. they directly called the Bulgarian title “kagan” (“king”, “emperor”): kagan Vladimir, kagan Yaroslav (Mudry), etc. And the steppe (southern) Ukraine, entirely inhabited by the Bulgarian tribes of Bzrznjar-Berendey, Badjanaks-Pechenegs (their name was for some medieval authors from the name of the trident - “Bai Sanak”), Karakalpaks - black knights, Khazars, Kharka (the name comes from Kharkiv ), szbzrov-severov- "stellate sturgeon", bond-torques, etc. - preserved the trident as its symbol. It is no coincidence that it was the South Russian (Chernihiv) prince Vladimir Svyatoslavich, the author of the Ukrainian posm, “The Word of Igor’s Regiment” (XNUMXs), who brought us two ancient Ukrainian names: the trident “trojan” and Southern Russia (Stepnaya Ukraine) - “land Trojan. " In his posm, Vladimir Svyatoslavich condemns Vladimir Monomakh (he is the grandson of Yaroslav the Wise, whom the Bulgar was called "Tazbash" - "Hitrnm") for conflicts with the South Ukrainian Bulgarian tribes. Vladimir Svyatoslavich was not too lazy to recall that the whole Chernigov nobility consisted entirely of representatives of the noble Bulgarian clans: Mosguts (Masguts, Masauts), Tatrans, Shelbirov (Chelbirov), Topchakov (Tubdzhakov), Revugov (Arbugintsev), Olbirov and others. Vladimir Svyatoslavich was the representative of the Ukrainian branch of the Bulgarian Dulo dynasty - “Rurikovich” (descendants of Lachn) and, quite naturally, considered the beginning of Ukrainian (Old Russian) statehood IV century, when the Bulgarian kings from the Dulo dynasty moved the capital of the Idel powers from the Volga region to Kiev and launched an attack on East Roman Empire (Byzantium).
        In the XII - beginning of the XIII century, the Bulgarian nomads Ukrainians for the most part adopted Christianity, because for this, Kiev and Chernigov gave them great privileges (land, Tarkhanism, etc.).
        In 1242, when Ukraine was subordinated to the Mongol Horde, the Bulgarian Tsar Gazi-Baradj invited his Mongol ally, Khan Bat1yu, to form a special corps from the Bulgarian nomads to Ukraine - to protect the trade route from Kiev to Bulgaria - and to give this corps tamga " Cossack ”(trident) and the name“ Cossacks ”. Bati agreed, and such a corps was formed and acted under the common Bulgarian-Mongol command until the midth century. The Mongolian khan Uzbek dismissed the Cossack corps, because it consisted mainly of Christian Bulgars, and the Cossacks who remained idle joined the Chirkes troops.
        Back in the XNUMXth century Bulgarian rulers, in order to protect their southern lands (parts of Crimea, the territory between the Don, the Caucasus and the Volga) began to form detachments of mercenaries. These Bulgari mercenaries were called "Chirkes", which in Bulgarian means "wandering, free (chir) person (cache)". The Rusyns translated this word as "wanderer". Most of the Circassians are Ukrainian Christians.
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      After the capture of Ivan the Terrible, Kazan called himself the Tsar of all Bulgarians and (later) Russians.

      Still, you need to know the History!
      My minus.
      There was such a "kingdom" (for you) - it was called Bulgaria.
      There is such a Republic of Tatarstan in the Russian Federation.
      According to excavations and documents, there existed such a "kingdom" as Bulgaria with the capital of Bulgaria in Chistopol district.
      Something was restored.
      Now it is a cultural monument of the people who lived in these places.
  • DeGreen 26 February 2020 08: 28 New
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    It’s a pity those soldiers of Russia and the USSR who laid their heads for the Bulgarians, Poles and other Georgians and Armenians
  • Kostadinov 26 February 2020 13: 23 New
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    And especially in 1912-13, when the Bulgarian army stood 40 km. from Constantinople and offered RI to give her a city in front of which all the Turkish troops had already been crushed to ashes. But they received an ultimatum by war.

    Here is some kind of historical fiction. The Bulgarian army attacked Turkish positions and failed to keep them occupied. Turkish troops did not beat the crushing in the dust. On the contrary, they were beaten by the big city in the tila and they have already begun replenishing reinforcements from Anatolia. The Turkish fleet dominated the two flanks of the Chataldzh position.
    Before you give someone the city you need it busy.
    1. pytar 26 February 2020 16: 32 New
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      The Bulgarian army attacked Turkish positions and failed to keep them occupied.

      Particular success was achieved by / Otkul Tabiya /, and even took / unexpectedly for himself / part of the Turkish position / Ileri Tabiya /. The battles were heavy with varying success. In this connection, there was also a request from the Bulgarians to Peterburg for the RFF to conduct demonstration maneuvers in the vicinity of the Straits. The idea was to force the Turks to smear their reserves along the coast. Petersburg refused and made it clear that the Bulgarians were not allowed to take Constantinople.
      Could the Bulgarian army still take the city, if the great forces did not give a “stop”? Probably it could, since Audrin fell in March 1913 and the Bulgarian units besieging him freed up for the deployment to Chataljan position. In the meantime, the Serbian and Greek armies also finished fighting in Macedonia and on Aegean, so that they could participate. By the way, the Greek fleet quite successfully plundered the Turks into the Aegean Sea. Political situation, conflict between allies. not allowed to carry out the assault.
  • Kostadinov 26 February 2020 18: 03 New
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    Quote: pytar
    The Bulgarian army attacked Turkish positions and failed to keep them occupied.

    Particular success was achieved by / Otkul Tabiya /, and even took / unexpectedly for himself / part of the Turkish position / Ileri Tabiya /. The battles were heavy with varying success. In this connection, there was also a request from the Bulgarians to Peterburg for the RFF to conduct demonstration maneuvers in the vicinity of the Straits. The idea was to force the Turks to smear their reserves along the coast. Petersburg refused and made it clear that the Bulgarians were not allowed to take Constantinople.
    Could the Bulgarian army still take the city, if the great forces did not give a “stop”? Probably it could, since Audrin fell in March 1913 and the Bulgarian units besieging him freed up for the deployment to Chataljan position. In the meantime, the Serbian and Greek armies also finished fighting in Macedonia and on Aegean, so that they could participate. By the way, the Greek fleet quite successfully plundered the Turks into the Aegean Sea. Political situation, conflict between allies. not allowed to carry out the assault.

    This is a completely different matter. The participation of Russia and the Russian fleet meant the mixes of Germany and Austria-Hungary, and a world war began.
    If only the Balkan allies took up the strait, then leaving disagreements to others, as a purely military operation is a very risky occupation. The Greek fleet could not pass through the Dardenelli (see Dardanelles operation of Antanti in 1915). In the Black Sea and the Sea of ​​Marmara, the Turkish fleet was completely superior. The front at Istanbul is shy and leans in a big city. And as it was already said, the defeat in 1912 suffered the Ottoman troops from the mobilized peoples in the European part of the empire. Troops from Anatolia have not yet taken part in the battles. .
    1. pytar 27 February 2020 10: 19 New
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      This is a completely different matter. The participation of Russia and the Russian fleet meant the mixes of Germany and Austria-Hungary, and a world war began.

      When military operations were planned, the main dispute in the general secretary was where to direct the main efforts of the Bulgarian army - to the south / Belomoria / and west / Macedonia / or to Southeast - East. Thrace, Constantinople. The position of the allies was ambiguous. Each was guided by its narrow interests, and not by common ones! Purely geographically, Bulgaria could not have avoided a clash with the main forces of the Turks from the Southeast. Moreover, due to the scarcity of resources, a prolonged war of attrition was not creeped by the Bulgarians. A campaign to the West, responded to the political interests of Bulgaria, would have joined Macedonia and Bell. Thrace. But at that time, Turkey could mobilize and concentrate the overwhelming forces to the East, which would put the bolg. army facing a huge problem. From a military point of view, the defeat of the main forces of the Turks, namely the southeastern grouping, was more profitable. The capture of Constantinople was necessary in order to make a bargaining chip for negotiations on Macedonia and Bell. Thrace! The Vedas, despite the treaties, Serbia and Greece could refuse to transfer them to the Bulgarians, which happened. Yes, and knock out the Turks once and for all from the Balkans, it was worth the effort! Ferdinand miscalculated; they did not let him take the city ...
      If only the Balkan allies took up the strait, then leaving disagreements to others, as a purely military operation is a very risky occupation.

      The whole war was an extremely risky event! Bulgaria was not ready yet! Moreover, because of the assertiveness of the Montenegrins, it began earlier than planned!
      And as it was already said, the defeat in 1912 suffered the Ottoman troops from the mobilized peoples in the European part of the empire. Troops from Anatolia have not yet taken part in the battles. .

      Turkish resistance increased, but if the allies had concentrated their armies in front of Constantinople, it was likely they could have taken it! Here, politics intervened, the military component went by the wayside.
      1. Captain weight 28 February 2020 14: 55 New
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        Dear Bulgari, do not destroy the site with a tozi! Out of the fasts of fasting, he doesn’t have a haresu of truth. That’s all right. Give me a little excitement, and pretend to be safe. By no means are you looking for the truth, but you are a manipulator and a muscat.
  • Jmbg 28 February 2020 15: 23 New
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    Here you have the Turkish stream! You didn’t want to trade normally with us. You immediately proposed the conditions that we sought, but you refused us. Now on the brink of war. And what will happen to the flow? In urgent order now we need to build a stream, thirteen wars with the Turks did not teach you anything.
    1. pytar 28 February 2020 16: 13 New
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      Turkish tomatoes seemed delicious on the outside ... But they tasted ... no