MiG-35 and MiG-29M / M2 fighters will receive an automatic landing system

MiG-35 and MiG-29M / M2 fighters will receive an automatic landing system

MiG Corporation is introducing an automatic landing system on aircraft of this brand. This was stated by the CEO of the corporation Ilya Tarasenko.


According to him, the corporation’s specialists have developed an automatic landing system that allows the aircraft to land in difficult weather conditions and other cases when the pilot is unable to land. The system will be installed on MiG-29M / M2 and MiG-35 fighters.

Engineers (...) received a patent for an automatic airplane control system during approach. This digital system improves the safety of piloting in adverse weather conditions, allows the pilot to enter the glide path in automatic mode and in less time, continue to decline until the appearance of visibility

- the press service of the corporation said.

As explained in the UAC, the new development includes a number of innovative units, drives and systems, including a navigation and measuring complex.

The corporation emphasized that the new system has already been tested and received positive feedback from pilots.

Nothing is said about the timing of the introduction of the new automatic landing system and how many MiG fighters will be equipped.
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  1. Victor_B 21 February 2020 09: 59 New
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    This is an old dream of all flyers!
    That would also be independent of ground stations. But it is certainly a dream.
    Only with the advent of serious AI, which will be equipped with binocular vision in various ranges.
    1. bessmertniy 21 February 2020 10: 05 New
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      It is cool that the safety of landing takes over the automation. The human factor in some cases fails very much today. hi
    2. Sancho_SP 21 February 2020 11: 26 New
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      Mnem, civil aviation has been using this for a very long time.

      With the military, the whole problem is in ground-based infrastructure, which is difficult to deploy at a field airfield.
      1. SovAr238A 21 February 2020 12: 06 New
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        Quote: Sancho_SP
        Mnem, civil aviation has been using this for a very long time.

        With the military, the whole problem is in ground-based infrastructure, which is difficult to deploy at a field airfield.


        How many years have passed since military airfields ceased to be field?
        1. Eragon 21 February 2020 16: 29 New
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          Quote: SovAr238A
          How many years have passed since military airfields ceased to be field?

          Probably since the end of the Vietnam War. But field airfields will reappear in the event of a major war. For those planes that survive.
    3. Ka-52 21 February 2020 11: 52 New
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      That would also be independent of ground stations. But it is certainly a dream.

      yeah. Regardless of the DPRM, BPRM, OPRS, and generally without the SCE in the SMU ... lol
    4. iouris 21 February 2020 11: 55 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      This is an old dream of all flyers!

      Caution, your dreams may come true! Aircraft capable of automatically landing does not need a pilot.
      In fact, a fighter pilot (especially maneuverable) has little ability to train his skills related to piloting and combat use. Evaluate for yourself: the officer’s annual budget for official time (approximately) is 1500 hours, and the planned annual raid is 100 hours. Take the duration of one flight - 1 hour (60 min), take-off - one (less than 0,5 min), combat use - 2..5 min, approach and landing - one (less than 5 min).
      1. Piramidon 21 February 2020 12: 25 New
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        Quote: iouris
        Caution, your dreams may come true! Aircraft capable of automatically landing does not need a pilot.

        Something in the Civil Air Fleet does not refuse pilots, although the system has been introduced there for a long time.
        1. iouris 21 February 2020 14: 49 New
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          Quote: Piramidon
          Something in the GVF from the pilots

          1) GVF does not exist for a long time. 2) Not all at once. They will refuse. This is confirmed by the fact that airline costs for training pilots fell sharply, so the requirements for the health and level of flight qualification of pilots are already below the baseboard, which confirms the disasters of recent years. So in Kazan, the crew commander is a former navigator, and the co-pilot is a former flight engineer. It was the first "unmanned aircraft." In addition, the regime of work and rest has been revised towards a more intensive exploitation of labor. Which also confirms: the security level is considered "sufficient", i.e. it is ensured by automation of flight control.
          1. Piramidon 21 February 2020 16: 23 New
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            Quote: iouris
            So in Kazan, the crew commander is a former navigator, and the co-pilot is a former flight engineer. It was the first "unmanned aircraft." In addition, the regime of work and rest has been revised towards a more intensive exploitation of labor.

            You climbed into some jungle. After all, anyway, someone is sitting at the helm and the pilot's cabin is present. And the training of pilots and the mode of their work are beyond the scope of the topic of our dialogue. hi
      2. Eragon 21 February 2020 16: 31 New
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        Quote: iouris
        Caution, your dreams may come true! Aircraft capable of automatically landing does not need a pilot.

        But this is more like the truth.
    5. loki565 21 February 2020 11: 57 New
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      On passenger aircraft, such a system has long stood, clogged the airfield and the plane itself sits up includes reverse and slows down.
      1. Victor_B 21 February 2020 12: 02 New
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        Quote: loki565
        On passenger aircraft, such a system has long stood, clogged the airfield and the plane itself sits up includes reverse and slows down.
        Apparently, do you imagine the military airfields of fighter aircraft that way?
        Especially field.
        Then I sympathize with you. Oh, it doesn’t look like that among the military!
        Well, HUD systems in the radio range FAR (!) Are detected (far and near drive too).
        But what about hiding activity?
        Therefore, I would like Migi and Dryers to be able to land ONLY with BOARD means (RL + OLS + radio altimeter) and PASSIVE landmarks of the strip.
        Without the inclusion of general signaling and radio navigation aids of the aerodrome.
        1. loki565 21 February 2020 12: 18 New
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          I saw a couple of military airfields in the suburbs, that’s exactly what they look like))) If you remove the jump airdromes, you can standardize the infrastructure, now they’re doing it less. Although there are such airfields, no one argues)))
          1. Piramidon 21 February 2020 16: 43 New
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            Quote: loki565
            If you remove the jump erodromes

            Now the former full-fledged military airfields are abandoned and pulled to the plates. Look at what remains of the Lakhta (Katunino) class 1 airfield with a 3-kilometer concrete runway. What kind of jump airfields are there?


      2. Grigory_45 21 February 2020 19: 53 New
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        Quote: loki565
        On passenger aircraft, such a system has long stood, clogged the airfield and the plane itself sits up includes reverse and slows down.

        only if the airport (aerodrome) is suitably equipped. In some Ust-Uzhopinsk you will not sit down like that, even on super-focused Airbus.
  2. Scipio 21 February 2020 10: 05 New
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    A cool topic, like the automatic parking system for cars)
    1. Rzzz 21 February 2020 12: 21 New
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      as well as an automatic parking system for cars

      Statistics say that parking is one of the least requested options when ordering a car. No one wants to pay money for her.
  3. bober1982 21 February 2020 10: 08 New
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    It is not clear how they will be .......and in less time, continue to decline until visibility, and why reduce this time, and before the appearance of what appearance?
    1. NIKN 21 February 2020 10: 37 New
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      Quote: bober1982
      It is not clear how they will be .......and in less time, continue to decline until visibility, and why reduce this time, and before the appearance of what appearance?

      It is not clear what this is about. About automatic landing or automatic landing. Going up to 50m still allowed RSBN 5 ... if we are talking about lowering to the leveling level it’s understandable, but here it’s kind of like an automatic LANDING. winked hi
      1. bober1982 21 February 2020 10: 45 New
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        Quote: NIKNN
        but here it’s kind of like an automatic LANDING

        Yes, this is if you read between the lines, but in the press service of the corporation they are very clumsy about going to the glide path in automatic mode.
        Only a patent was obtained, it is very, very far from an automatic landing, and is it necessary, such a landing, in military aviation ..
        And, my respect for you.
        1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 11: 00 New
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          hi
          Quote: NIKNN
          It’s not clear what this is about.

          Honestly, I also did not understand what a joy. Is the system tied only to airplane navigation or does it require ground equipment? What minimums does it provide?
          Quote: rocket757
          So I want to ask .... but what and who can I ask ???
          1. bober1982 21 February 2020 11: 05 New
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            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            So I want to ask .... but what and who can I ask ???

            Wisely asked a question (rocket757)
            1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 11: 20 New
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              Now, if they provide an automatic landing using only airplane navigation, then even this is already yesterday. In the distant '97, it was still necessary to physically remove the coordinates of the 3d two end plates, and even then the aircraft systems were building the approach, the aircraft was really very advanced. Six months ago, an acquaintance, an aviation enthusiast and the owner of a private pipera visited Greenland: this piper provides the construction of an approach with a 90-degree turn on a straight line; Piper certainly does not sit down, but the Scandinavians have long been flying in the machine until they touch.
              Very agree
              Quote: bober1982
              Wisely asked a question (rocket757)
          2. Ka-52 21 February 2020 12: 02 New
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            Honestly, I also did not understand what a joy. Is the system tied only to airplane navigation or does it require ground equipment? What minimums does it provide?

            without OSB, no on-board navigation will provide an accurate exit of KGS to SMU. There’s nothing to even think about
            1. illuminat 21 February 2020 13: 12 New
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              Quote: Ka-52
              without OSB no onboard navigation will provide the exact exit of KGS to SMU. There’s nothing to even think about


              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              Now if they provide automatic landing using only airplane navigationthen even that already yesterday. In the distant '97, it was still necessary to physically remove the 3d coordinates of the two end plates, and even then the aircraft systems were building the approach,


              I sincerely do not understand how to combine these two statements ????
              I lagged far behind life, of course, but in the 80s, even the directorial visit to the PRMG seemed a miracle.
              1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 13: 26 New
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                Quote: illuminat
                in the 80s, even the directorial visit to PWMG seemed like a miracle.

                Quote: Ka-52
                without OSB no onboard navigation will provide the exact exit of KGS to SMU. There’s nothing to even think about

                Progress however. I repeat: the Scandinavians fly low visibility, are they familiar with lvp ?, according to gnss, and no ground landing equipment, only strip and lighting
                1. illuminat 21 February 2020 14: 01 New
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                  Quote: Pete Mitchell
                  Progress however.
                  Yes, this is understandable, but they don’t seem to give up the drives, despite the development of satellite navigation.
                  Quote: Pete Mitchell
                  are you familiar with lvp?
                  Looked at what it is. But even on the "Elk" I do not remember UMP below 100x1, this is for direct drives.
                  Quote: Pete Mitchell
                  by gnss, and no ground landing equipment, only strip and lighting
                  Convinced. Only the "Scandinavians" are a loose concept. Warriors? Citizens? Private traders (business jets or light engines)? Or is it all in a row?

                  Then another question - do they really have such absolute trust in GPS readings?

                  And please, if possible, use our terminology, otherwise I had to google gnss, and this is just "satellite navigation". And in general, in a similar way, the jackets of the boots are troll, expressing their contempt for the "pelode to the ice builders"
                  1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 14: 36 New
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                    I definitely didn’t want to troll anyone, at the very rhombic. Widore Airlines was the first in the world to receive permits for automatic calls in hard smu on satellite navigation, more than 10 years ago. Fly in the dead corners, where often there is no equipment.
                    Quote: illuminat
                    - is it really so absolute trust in the readings of GPS? "

                    The guys are getting ready to fly. The people are prepared, the company's planes are certified - they rushed off ... Therefore, informational messages about interruptions with satellites regularly appear. In the eastern Mediterranean, the “civilized” world sins in the Russian Federation - supposedly the impact on gps is their nightmare.
                    Quote: illuminat
                    but they don’t seem to refuse drives, despite the development of satellite navigation

                    Europe threatened to eradicate drive beacons by 2000, did not have time - yesterday used it ... but the number of gnss calls is constantly growing, solid advantages from them
                    1. illuminat 21 February 2020 16: 16 New
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                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      I definitely didn’t want to troll anyone, at the very rhombic.
                      A rhombus is good. drinks
                      Then I ask again, if not against.
                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      hard calls in hard smu
                      Hard smu - this is lvp, that is, below 100x1200? If the landing is low, up to 200, then tolerant.

                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      The guys are getting ready to fly. The people are prepared, the company's planes are certified - they rushed off ... Therefore, informational messages about interruptions with satellites regularly appear.
                      And this is how? On the one hand - interruptions, and on the other - absolute confidence, since the corners are deaf. It turns out that the control is only visual, and it is still necessary to have time to stick into the circuit when I saw the strip, it’s good if it’s from a kilometer and in alignment.
                      It turns out that the technique allows 0x10 m to fly in dense fog? And fly?
                      1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 20: 07 New
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                        Quote: illuminat
                        lvp, i.e. below 100x1200

                        The height of the lower edge is not taken into account at all, only visibility, or rather Reported Visual Range, instrumental visibility defined by systems. But at the same time, the minimum is defined as height, with lvp - absolute. In what numbers this is expressed I will not say - lvp gnss do not do it ourselves.
                        In order not to interfere, a gnss - raim check on the ballots is performed before the flight, everything works as it should - fly and turn the head: nobody canceled the basics.
                        Merchants move technology, grandmas do not wait and technology allows, why not use it. If faced, then you know that flying skills strictly used standard procedures - the farther into the forest, the less control of the aircraft as such.
        2. Souchastnik 21 February 2020 11: 07 New
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          Only a patent was received, it’s very, very far from automatic landing

          Good day. If my memory doesn’t fail me, then the “Buran” was sitting on the machine automatically. Since then, something new has appeared in technology. So, I think, not one patent can be boasted, but a workable system.
          1. bober1982 21 February 2020 11: 09 New
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            Quote: Souchastnik
            not one patent can boast, but a workable system.

            I agree, more than a workable system.
  4. rocket757 21 February 2020 10: 28 New
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    Nothing is said about the timing of the introduction of the new automatic landing system and how many MiG fighters will be equipped.

    So I want to ask .... but what and who can I ask ???
  5. bars1 21 February 2020 10: 38 New
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    MiG still fluttering?
  6. tomket 21 February 2020 10: 39 New
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    the main thing would be where to put and what to equip in the troops ...
    1. bessmertniy 21 February 2020 11: 19 New
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      To put - in place, and to equip - equipment. Everything is simple and fun. repeat
  7. askort154 21 February 2020 10: 45 New
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    As explained in the UAC, the new development includes a number of innovative units, drives and systems, including a navigation and measuring complex.

    An airplane in an “automatic machine” can enter only at an aerodrome having ground-based facilities providing this “function”. At the same time, the minimum values ​​of weather conditions are established, both for the aerodrome and for each type of aircraft, and for a special tolerance for the flight crew. In general, this is not a simple, expensive, but very important and necessary program. We always have the "earth", lagging behind
    "aircraft equipment."
    1. Rushnairfors 21 February 2020 11: 05 New
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      Not well, today a satellite receiver on board an aircraft allows you to enter without such means, on 3rd and 4th generation airplanes there, yes, only in conjunction with a joint venture or PRMG, without ground, nowhere, and modern letables ... ... All through the SNA and navigation and landing and combat use.
      1. askort154 21 February 2020 11: 34 New
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        Rushnayrfors .....Not well, today a satellite receiver on board an airplane allows you to enter without such means

        I went to the Turkish military airfield Chorlu, in heavy rainfall (a rarity in those parts). ILS did not work. I went on the prefix
        GPS and "drives". The drives showed that I was going to the right, but I trusted the GPS. I knew - next to the runway, on the right was the "tower". He didn’t take any chances, from 50 m he “left”, after it turned out, he went alongside the “tower” and scared them. I went to a spare in Istanbul (Ataturk). We retreated 100 km., We were informed, "the charge has passed." They returned - the weather is "a million, per million". So, rely on the jepaesy recklessly. Failure and error can produce any "piece of hardware." hi
        1. Rushnairfors 21 February 2020 11: 41 New
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          So for sure, but you’ll agree, they’ll be more precise than the joint venture or the PRMG, but are you “working” in the Civil Air Fleet or in our glorious BTA?
          1. askort154 21 February 2020 12: 10 New
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            Rushnayrfors ...So for sure, but you’ll agree, they’ll be more precise than the joint venture or the PRMG, but are you “working” in the Civil Air Fleet or in our glorious BTA?

            Naturally, modern satellite is progress.
            "Worked" 40 calendar in GA. The military ticket was VUS - VTA, then BA. hi
            1. Rushnairfors 21 February 2020 12: 30 New
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              Class, 40 years at the helm is strong, God forbid you still have to go through the land for at least the same amount of time, but I’ve flown in boots for 20 years, now the contract is ending, I’m storming English, I want to get into azimuth in my small homeland ", on the" super-hardness "of the righteous one, the test was recently conducted at the Russian Aviation Administration, now you need to fly off somewhere - the thread on diamand or cessna and can be submitted to CPL.
              1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 12: 40 New
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                A little over a year has passed, like they said yesterday and here he is a demobilization. Good luck and do not linger in the right seat. Where to fly already found?
                1. Rushnairfors 21 February 2020 12: 54 New
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                  Well, to be honest, if I give you a ride for a year, I’ll sign it again (they simply forbade officers to renew for a year, from three or more years now, but this is still unofficial), according to the offices: well, Sasovo would probably be the perfect option, but there’s a year ahead, they don’t advise the Red Kut, even cadets have a bad time there, now here are 2 fresh offices with licenses- "Sky firmament" and "region aero training", I think there, the cost is from 300 to 324 thousand.
                  1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 12: 59 New
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                    With English order? What materials are taught?
                    1. Rushnairfors 21 February 2020 13: 10 New
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                      I teach English myself both general and aviation, in the summer I’ll start working with a racer - a very serious aunt praise everyone, she seems to have tested before, until Moscow took everything for herself, I think everything will be no. By the way, they say that it takes azimuth with level 3, because the superjet has an English cab, and they don’t seem to be able to fly at our homeland and abroad by the time they have reached the deadline (they have to recommend themselves in domestic transport, a friend explained to me, but so far I have a poor idea of ​​all these civil topics),
                      1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 15: 12 New
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                        Not all at once of course, but you need to focus on at least the 4th. Everything else is temporary.
                  2. Rushnairfors 21 February 2020 12: 59 New
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                    Thanks for the wishes (to be honest, probably just now I’m starting to understand how I love the army and my mother’s part, but as they say, the man said, the man did, we need to leave, the children are already growing up, I want them to live in the city and see our civilization and not our charms wonder town)
                    1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 13: 08 New
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                      What to say: family, children - a priority. In our wonderful towns infrastructure inherited? I have not been for a long time
              2. askort154 21 February 2020 15: 55 New
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                Rushnairfors A class of 40 years at the helm is strong, give you the god of health also to pass at least the same amount of land, ..

                Thanks Dima! Sasovskoe in the USSR was the most prestigious.
                I finished it in 66 (it’s scary to write “last century”).
                The son of Taran studied with me in the course, the school bears the name of his father.
                Dare, Dima - the road will overcome the road! Good luck hi
        2. iouris 21 February 2020 12: 00 New
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          Quote: askort154
          “jepaesas” rely completely recklessly.

          GPS is the property of the US government. As low as possible (minimum) error and reliability of location are only consumers directly associated with the US government. "Friendly" consumers receive a signal with little artificial interference. Opponents of the US government receive a very large artificial hindrance. So you easily got off, trusting in the signal of the US government.
          1. askort154 21 February 2020 12: 17 New
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            iouris ...So you easily got off, trusting in the signal of the US government.

            Got your banter. good
            But I just did not trust the "enemy GPS", I believed
            native OSB (re-read). And she did not let me down. wink hi
            1. iouris 21 February 2020 14: 44 New
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              Quote: askort154
              I just did not trust the "enemy GPS", I believed the native OSB (re-read). And she did not let me down.

              I read. And the crew of Polish President Kaczynski trusted “enemy GPS”. The result is sad.
              1. askort154 21 February 2020 16: 13 New
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                iouris .....I read. And the crew of Polish President Kaczynski trusted “enemy GPS”. The result is sad

                There is no GPS to blame. It is blundering, from the organization of the flight, the crew and unauthorized persons in the cockpit, exerting unprofessional and psychological pressure on the crew - big stars on their shoulders. I would recommend
                to analyze this flight in flight schools, with a note - how not to fly. Everything that could be broken was violated there.
                in one sing. Aviation does not forgive this. hi
                1. iouris 21 February 2020 22: 07 New
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                  The death of Kaczynski is covered by "gouging." In fact, it interfered with many inside and out. Note: one Medvedev flew to the funeral.
                2. Pete mitchell 22 February 2020 16: 02 New
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                  Quote: askort154
                  There it’s guilty of gouging starting .... Aviation does not forgive this. hi

                  I very much agree with you - this is a textbook case - this is impossible. I talked with the Polish pilots about this: everyone understands everything and they themselves do not like mouse fuss. But there was one Marosevich nestling chick, the youngest and inexperienced, less than a year of work: this one has seen a movie like a zombie: it’s Russian, it’s Russian ... But you say you consider yourself a professional: how to knock a birch below the level of the end of the strip? This is Russ ... zombies in one word
          2. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 12: 26 New
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            For this, there is a RAIM check - there is no required number of satellites - do not use it.
            Used to impact introduced error disconnected at the beginning of military operations, they have too much tied to gps. Now they are constantly using it, which is why they are shaking that the Russians have found a way to influence the accuracy of the signals, but not the Eastern Mediterranean confirms this.
            1. iouris 22 February 2020 15: 50 New
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              Landing beacons at the storage aerodrome have not worked for a long time. The Poles did not believe the Russian dispatcher, which means they believed the state GPS, and the GPS instrumental error is a controlled parameter. Kaczynski’s “banged”, in Poland began a “movement” (social elevators started working), the Allies got rid of an uncomfortable partner: everything is fine.
              1. Pete mitchell 22 February 2020 16: 23 New
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                I don’t think that gnss entry was possible there at all, did anyone develop it? No, that means using gps is a 100% crime. And another question: on big Tu, using gnss is allowed? I think no.
                Quote: iouris
                and GPS instrumental error is a controlled parameter
                Do Not Repeat This Please: Selective Availability
                made me lie about 50 m (164 ft) horizontally and about 100 m (328 ft) vertically. Disconnected since 2000.
        3. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 12: 04 New
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          Nevertheless, in modern machines this integrated equipment, rather than stand alone and GNSS calls, is becoming more widespread. And the Scandinavians have long been flying low visibility, aka LVP, fully automatic. Progress however ...
          1. Rushnairfors 21 February 2020 12: 13 New
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            God forbid, what a long way to go: simple SVP 24 from Hephaestus, brought navigation to a new level — the plane flies completely in the machine, he considers everything, completes it, the pilot buzzes, the navigator buzzes, the approach in the machine became more accurate, (though to BPRM for opportunities ABSUs are limited to a height of 60 meters), and what accuracy of bombing they began to receive ..... but just a couple of blocks and a GPS receiver
            1. Rushnairfors 21 February 2020 12: 15 New
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              Good day by the way and with the upcoming
              1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 12: 43 New
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                And also you, success in your endeavors
            2. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 12: 16 New
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              Quote: Rushnairfors
              and what accuracy of bombing they began to receive ..... but just a couple of blocks and a GPS receiver

              This is especially pleasing. I hope the story of Hephaestus’s introduction still finds its historian, and the prosecutor too ...
              1. Igor Aviator 21 February 2020 12: 31 New
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                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                yes GPS receiver

                Maybe all the same GLONASS?
                1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 12: 41 New
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                  It's not me, honestly
                2. Rushnairfors 21 February 2020 13: 14 New
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                  Well, let it be glonass, what's the difference, the principle is one, but GPS already wrote on the thumb
                  1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 13: 43 New
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                    Quote: Rushnairfors
                    GPS is already written on the thumb

                    We will use the correct terminology - GNSS, global navigation satelite system, and there even call a pot ..
            3. iouris 22 February 2020 15: 41 New
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              Quote: Rushnairfors
              what to go far: simple SVP 24 from hephaestus

              Automatic flight en route and approach for a very long time is not a problem. The United States and Britain bombed Nazi Germany on the RSDN (long-range navigation system). On the MiG-27M in the 1970s, navigation bombing modes were implemented: from RSDN, "at the rendered point". Where did the SVVP-24 come from? From there.
      2. Grigory_45 21 February 2020 20: 03 New
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        Quote: Rushnairfors
        Well, today a satellite receiver on board an aircraft allows you to enter without such means.

        GPS does not provide the required accuracy
        1. svp67 22 February 2020 14: 45 New
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          GPS does not provide the required accuracy

          Do not make me laugh. The system allows you to "drive the rocket into the window", does not allow a military aircraft to accurately bring to the right place .... Do not confuse what is used in civilian devices with what is used in military
          1. Grigory_45 22 February 2020 15: 16 New
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            Do not make me laugh.

            You are simply not in the subject. GPS (like GLONASS) has an instrumental error of about 10 meters, and the GPS itself (without auxiliary means) is not accurate enough even in comparison with the ICG (heading-glide path system) category I according to ICAO.
            All high-precision ammunition, and even serious drones, do not rely solely on GPS - systems are also involved on different principles of operation.
            1. iouris 22 February 2020 15: 44 New
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              Quote: Gregory_45
              GPS (like GLONASS) has an instrumental error of about 10 meters

              Watching for which consumers.
          2. Grigory_45 22 February 2020 15: 17 New
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            Quote: svp67
            The system allows you to "drive the rocket into the window", does not allow a military aircraft to accurately bring to the right place ...

            it's not about navigation, it's about automatic landing. One GPS is not enough for this
            1. svp67 22 February 2020 15: 19 New
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              Quote: Gregory_45
              One GPS is not enough for this

              Here I agree, but who is stopping her from creating an “assistant” is better than more than one. That is to combine
  8. Igor Aviator 21 February 2020 10: 55 New
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    Not understood! In fact, the AZP (Automatic Landing Approach) mode in the ACS systems of MiG aircraft was still present on the MiG-23, in the SAU-23AM-12, SAU-23 AM-18; The automatic mode (using the RSBN system) lowers along the glide path to a height of 60m. And on MiG-29 aircraft (SAU-451-02; -03 -; - 04; -05), mathematical algorithms and circuitry were further developed. In particular, for the first time, self-tuning of gear ratios of the longitudinal and lateral control channels was applied. Moreover, the solution was found to be very original - since gear ratios should depend on the distance to the end of the strip (to successfully fit into the glide path) a very ingenious way was invented (I would say an ingenious way) of indirectly measuring the distance to cut the strip, and without using any either airborne (or external) systems. So it’s not entirely clear what the novelty is - maybe that landing can be done without the use of radio navigation systems? Then it will be possible for mathematicians who developed algorithms and engineers who embodied them in hardware to build monuments in their lifetime! In fact, the mathematical apparatus of the self-propelled guns of our fighters is something! Parsing the mathematical embodiment of the MiG-23 self-propelled guns and, later, the MiG-29 (as an operator) by circuit nodes, he could not restrain his admiration! In KB, geniuses really work!
    1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 12: 00 New
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      So many did not understand ...
      Quote: Igor Aviator
      Not understood! Actually, the AZP mode ...

      But it was scary to look at him: you didn’t touch anything except Ore, and he himself “went” and it seemed he needed to ... Weather reconnaissance once couldn’t return, after the second departure the Commander broadcasted the command to use the automation - distrust went away slow
      1. Rushnairfors 21 February 2020 12: 16 New
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        I'm still scared, but for the guys from the Civil Air Fleet, like two fingers on the asphalt
        1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 13: 03 New
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          This is a mandatory process: immediately drag on it. Visual hits are harder lol
    2. iouris 21 February 2020 12: 11 New
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      Quote: Igor Aviator
      Landing) in the MiG aircraft self-propelled gun systems was still present on the MiG-23

      It was a deal. But in the regiment (MiG-23ml) out of about 50 pilots, only one (possibly several) were ready to entrust their life to the piece of iron. In addition, only a "landing approach" was guaranteed (up to a height of 50 m). The landing approach in the “automatic” often does not allow the pilot to “engage” in control at the most difficult stage - landing (altitude below 50 m).
      The most interesting automatic mode was the “combat mode” (BR), which allowed the air target to be intercepted by the commands of the Air-1p ground guidance system in the radio silent mode. However, it was disabled. Although, one advanced pilot hacker still guessed that it could be turned on by holding the “Route” button and simultaneously pressing the “BR” button. But this remained his personal achievement.
      Why didn’t they trust? Analog automatic systems are not reliable. The transition to the "digital" and the introduction of global positioning systems GLONASS and GPS can completely abandon the pilot. Humans tend to make mistakes.
      1. Pete mitchell 21 February 2020 12: 35 New
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        Quote: iouris
        guaranteed only "landing approach" (up to a height of 50 m). The landing approach in the “automatic” often does not allow the pilot to “engage” in control at the most difficult stage - landing (altitude below 50 m).

        In good weather, dabbled in and -23 went well to touch. But use in smu has always been a test of the strength of the nervous system
      2. Igor Aviator 21 February 2020 12: 37 New
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        In "my" regiments, the use of AZP (minimum - DZP) was mandatory, even on the MiG-23 (ML. Later MLD), Przdnee, on the 29th, the use of the AZP was elevated to the IMPOSSIBLE rank. True, no one was envious of me, as a specialist-self-propelled gun-self-propelled gun - there was too much work. The specialty was considered very "stressful" like that of the engine, sighting.
  9. Igor Borisov_2 21 February 2020 11: 00 New
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    I’m not a pilot and didn’t understand anything from the article - does the pilot not participate in the landing at all or does the on-board electronics just help him more?
    1. Souchastnik 21 February 2020 11: 15 New
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      Does the pilot not take part in landing at all, or does on-board electronics just help him more?

      "Automatic" means without the participation of the pilot. Pressed the button you need and smoke. As an option, not the best - the pilot may be in an unconscious state.
      1. iouris 21 February 2020 12: 15 New
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        the pilot may be unconscious.

        Firstly, in the unconscious: the automatic editor prompts you, but you still type with errors in the "manual mode". That's the pilot.
        1. Souchastnik 25 February 2020 09: 17 New
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          First, in the unconscious:

          If there are no substantive questions, I accept the remark by mistake. Well, I wanted to know, secondly?
  10. Sergey Averchenkov 21 February 2020 11: 00 New
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    In fact, not many people need MiG in our country, the country has relied on su. Is not it?
    1. Igor Aviator 21 February 2020 12: 43 New
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      MiG actually in our country, not many need

      Do you know that in the training battles of the SU-27 against the MiG-29, it was the 29th that won the melee victory as being more maneuverable. Soushki were superior only in detection and capture range. But the 73rd Guards always turned out to be the winner. Then this flag was picked up by the 14th Guards, as a successor (of equipment, flight personnel and ITS)
      1. Sergey Averchenkov 21 February 2020 12: 47 New
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        No, not in the know, but in the know that SU is the choice of our state. Do you have something against? Then you will be in the government, maybe they will help you there.
    2. iouris 21 February 2020 14: 57 New
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      Neither Tupolev, nor Mikoyan, nor Sukhoi have been with us for a long time. Not even those who worked with them. The construction is not done manually, but with the help of American software. The United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) is responsible for the design (construction).
  11. Igor Borisov_2 21 February 2020 11: 21 New
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    In fact, not many people need MiG in our country, the country has relied on su. Is not it?


    Controversial issue - it seems to me that both aircraft must be in service. The F-22 Raptor was created in the Lockheed Martin, Boeing and General Dynamics consortium. Maybe Sukhoi and Mikoyan in the consortium will be able to create a decent aircraft. Why not?.......
  12. prior 21 February 2020 11: 24 New
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    They will receive, they will, they will invent, increase, accelerate ......... feeding by "breakfast" continues.
  13. Pavel57 21 February 2020 12: 24 New
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    Technically, everything has long been decided. Buran example.
    1. Igor Aviator 21 February 2020 12: 48 New
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      everything has been decided long ago.

      I don’t think so! In the conditions of interference and electronic warfare, or in the absence of equipping the runway with navigation infrastructure (drive, RSBN, beacons ..), we cannot yet realize the AZP.
      1. 75 Sergey 21 February 2020 14: 21 New
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        If sent from the ground, then yes, but if he himself, without reference, then he does not care
    2. iouris 21 February 2020 14: 58 New
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      The Burana example is not indicative. He made the only flight. Since then, technology has advanced greatly.
      1. 75 Sergey 21 February 2020 15: 21 New
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        Very indicative, even then they could!
        1. iouris 21 February 2020 22: 13 New
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          Could. But only once. Only what has been brought to mass use is of practical importance. By the way, automating driving is more difficult. Technology is running in the automotive industry and in the production of smartphones.
          1. 75 Sergey 22 February 2020 06: 32 New
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            Is the car system more complicated?
            “Buran” had AI, not automation, it made decisions, but the fact that it flew all at once was one of our mistakes in freebies.
            Surely the prototypes in this mode were seated more than once.
  14. Uncle Izya 21 February 2020 12: 36 New
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    If for bureaucrats they would have done so automatic landing was stolen
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    It would be better if we improved the radar and equipped it with long-range bombs, so that there was no need for an automatic landing.
    1. iouris 21 February 2020 14: 59 New
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      This is too hard.
  16. alexmach 21 February 2020 14: 44 New
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    Afar would them and not all sorts of stupid things.
  17. Grigory_45 21 February 2020 19: 47 New
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    MiG-35 and MiG-29M / M2 fighters will receive an automatic landing system

    all this is certainly great, but ... Does the equipment of airfields allow such tricks to be carried out? It is much more complicated and more expensive than the equipment installed on an airplane, and it depends on it to a greater extent whether the landing will be successful.
    Around the world, there are hardly a dozen airports certified according to Category III of ICAO, despite the fact that such systems (instrumental approach of aircraft for landing and automatic landing systems) have been used for a long time in civil aviation