Unification of Russia and Belarus: a pipe dream or a challenge for future generations

Unification of Russia and Belarus: a pipe dream or a challenge for future generations

Last December, shortly after the magnificent celebration of the 20th anniversary of the creation of the union state of Russia and Belarus was not set, President Alexander Lukashenko gave an interview on Ekho Moskvy radio.


The spirit of the opposition studio is a feat of the Belarusian leader for a radical statement. “The unification of Russia and Belarus is not planned, but perhaps it will happen during the next generation,” President Lukashenko summed up the discussions on this subject. [

Independence of officials determines the whole policy of the authorities


For those Belarusians who saw some prospects in the unification of the two countries, Lukashenko explained: “The first independent state in stories... We have never been sovereign and independent. I built it with my colleagues. How, having created my child, can I bury him? ”

This is not the first public statement of the Belarusian president in which he rejected the unification of our two countries. Recall the others.

In the same December, Lukashenko already said that Belarus did not intend to be part of another state, "even fraternal Russia."

There is nothing new in this position. It is enough to recall the collapse of the Soviet Union. Then the leaders of the republics “together with their colleagues” wished to get rid of the power of Moscow. The freedom to dispose of regional assets and resources seemed to them more preferable than “vegetation” as part of a great world power.

All this "company of colleagues" really benefited from the collapse of the Union. Without external control, it was well enriched and easily imposed its small-town politics on people. And what about the people? Everyone has his own answer to this. Someone sees him in the millions of migrants who have left their homes. Someone - in a new machine, taken on credit at decent interest.

People are both creators of history and its consumables. It all depends on what weight category of the society a particular person is in. Alexander Lukashenko represents the highest level of the Belarusian government. Therefore, from his Olympus, unification “even with fraternal Russia” is impossible.

In this case, most likely, will have to share power. However, the “current generation” of officials did not master and build it in order to break up so easily. They cover their mercantile interest with high words about sovereignty and independence (without which Belarusians have successfully lived a long history), as the most valuable achievements of the people.

Where the pendulum of mood swings


Ordinary people have a different attitude. A recent survey conducted by the Center for Spatial Analysis of International Relations, IMI MGIMO, showed that Belarusians are kind to Russia. 57,6 percent of respondents want a union of two states. Another 31,8 percent hope for partnership in Russian-Belarusian relations. Only 0,2 percent of Belarusians are hostile to Russia.

However, one should not be deceived by these figures. The authorities are able to manipulate the mood of people. A classic example in this sense is Ukraine. As we recall, in March 1991, more than 70% of the population voted in favor of preserving the Soviet Union. It would be more. But even then there was serious propaganda for the separation of Ukraine from the USSR, and a referendum (following the example of the Baltic states) was boycotted by many residents of the western regions of the republic.

After eight months, the Ukrainians, as they say, “ripened”, and in December 1991, more than 90% of them voted for independent Ukraine. Moreover, in the east of the republic (for example, in the Donbass) there were fewer supporters of independence - 54%.

So what is the current Belarusian authorities to push the thesis "Russia is robbing the republic" - and the mood pendulum will easily go in the negative direction. President Lukashenko has already created the ground for this. Recently, without hesitation, he says that small Belarus feeds a large Russia. Even the figures give exactly how it feeds - by $ 9 billion, referring to the negative balance of Belarus in bilateral trade relations.

Money that smells


Over the years, Alexander Lukashenko has learned to pull money from Russia. They closed gaps from managerial and political mistakes that directly affect the welfare of the republic. In 2016, the IMF conducted a large-scale study in which it estimated the general support of the Belarusian economy from Russia.

The numbers are impressive. For the period 2005-2015 alone, Minsk received $ 106 billion in preferences from Moscow, or about $ 9,7 billion per year. According to IMF experts, over the years, the volume of “total net support” from Russia ranged from 11 to 27% of Belarusian GDP.

The bulk of this support came from the supply of energy and raw materials at preferential prices. For example, Russia supplied Belarus with about 20 million tons of oil without customs duties. Belarusians at its plants refined it into petroleum products.

Some of the products were left for domestic consumption, and about 12 million tons were exported to European countries. The income was decent - more than 6 billion US dollars per year. (Compare: according to World Bank estimates, Belarus's GDP in 2018 amounted to $ 54,5 billion).

After Russia introduced the so-called tax rule, under which the fiscal burden was transferred from production duties, the price of Russian oil for Belarus grew. Already in 2019, income from Belarusian export of petroleum products fell by 19,7%.

In Minsk they were hysterical. They demand to return the previous conditions. Scandal, as they say, before a divorce. Hence the speculation about a single state. Although in practical terms, the question of the unification of Russia and Belarus was not raised.

It was only about deepening integration. An appropriate roadmap has been developed. In its 31st paragraph, there is a plan for the construction of supranational bodies: the parliament and the president. Just this situation gave Minsk a reason to broadly interpret integration in order to bargain for new preferences.

It didn’t work out. It must be remembered that the Russian motive for leaving the USSR was the reluctance to “feed the republics”. In fact, it turns out: we continue to feed, and even our market was opened wide open. Today, Russia accounts for 93,4% of Belarusian exports to the EAEU countries.

All these figures, calculations, and recounts are important for crafty politicians to justify their incompetence and inability to effectively manage the country. For people, something else is more important - security, economic well-being, the opportunity to develop, to have a large living space. So is there a chance for the unification of Russia and Belarus? There is, but, apparently, there are forces that intend to reduce the probability of the realization of this chance to zero.

While we live in different countries, separated by politicians and politicians. They will not let us be together, at least during the lifetime of the current generation, as Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko said at Echo of Moscow.
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  1. Lamata 21 February 2020 13: 36 New
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    And there they believe that they fed Russia. Just what, it’s not clear.
    1. Tiksi-3 21 February 2020 13: 41 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      And there they believe that they fed Russia. Just what, it’s not clear.

      In the USSR, they claimed that they fed potatoes and sausages, now they feed us “sanction” .... without a general referendum, all this is transfusion from empty to empty
      1. Nasrat 21 February 2020 13: 54 New
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        It was not for this that the USSR was destroyed, which would then unite into a single state .. Obviously, they plan to build the Empire on new principles ...
        1. Starover_Z 21 February 2020 14: 15 New
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          In this case, most likely, will have to share power. However, the “current generation” of officials did not master and build it in order to break up so easily. They cover their mercantile interest with high words about sovereignty and independence

          That says it all clearly! Nobody will share the POWER, otherwise there will be no full-fledged united state! Even being a full-fledged governor of Moscow (for example) in Belarus, this is not at all the level that the President of Belarus! So, as much as we would not like, the second USSR will not work ...
        2. parusnik 21 February 2020 15: 58 New
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          Obviously, they plan to build the Empire on new principles ...
          .... Iron and blood?
          1. Boris55 22 February 2020 07: 39 New
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            Quote: parusnik
            ... with iron and blood?

            “Unity,” declared the oracle of our day, “
            It may be soldered with iron and blood only ... "
            But we will try to solder it with love, -
            And there we will see what is stronger
            .

            Globalization in Russian, which is gaining momentum, does not imply empires.
        3. IS-80_RVGK2 23 February 2020 13: 36 New
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          Og. Only fabulous and in your head. In reality, the time of empires is long gone.
      2. Uncle Izya 21 February 2020 15: 49 New
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        You go through the non-black soil there, all the fields are overgrown, all agriculture is in the south of Russia, so do not write nonsense.
      3. Lamata 21 February 2020 16: 03 New
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        Zhilv Kaz SSR did not see either their Ukrainian sausage and potato.
      4. Grits 21 February 2020 17: 07 New
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        Quote: Tiksi-3
        In the USSR, they claimed that they fed us “sanction” with potatoes and sausages ..

        In the USSR, each republic sincerely believed that it was feeding Russia. Each in its own way and with an enhanced diet.
        Belarus - potatoes
        Ukraine - bacon and sunflower oil
        Kazakhstan - with bread
        Moldova - wine and tomatoes
        Baltic states - sprats
        Georgia - wine, Borjomi, and in general - all sorts of Satsivi and Khachapuri
        Armenians - cognac
        Azerbaijan - by oil
        Kyrgyzstan - feed something with promises
        Turkmenistan and Tajikistan - .... it’s simple, good guys.
        1. Lamata 21 February 2020 17: 33 New
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          Tajiks are shepherd and opium, Turkmens are melons and watermelons, Uzbeks are cotton, dressing gowns and skullcaps, Kazakhstan is still Ganjubas Chuysky, Alma-Ata aport and koumiss (saumal).
        2. Grits 22 February 2020 10: 07 New
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          Quote: Gritsa
          In the USSR, each republic sincerely believed that it was feeding Russia. Each in its own way and with a reinforced diet

          Judging by the minuses that they came to me, it was the representatives of those same republics who were offended. What fed.
      5. Sling cutter 22 February 2020 12: 36 New
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        Quote: Tiksi-3
        In the USSR, they claimed that they were feeding potatoes and sausages, now they feed us "sanctioned" ....

        You wrote nonsense, Belarusians never claimed anything like that.
        And I want all Belarus owed to me personally, the share of oil and gas from the common property, to be given to Belarusians for free!
        1. Lekz 22 February 2020 19: 57 New
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          Only you need not to forget when you take your part of the oil, a bucket and spare shoes. Otherwise, how do you get it?
        2. Tiksi-3 23 February 2020 18: 10 New
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          You wrote nonsense, Belarusians never claimed anything like that.

          oh well lie that !! THREE MY FRIENDS SERVED WITH ME - all from Minsk and Gomel ..... unanimously claimed that they fed us !!
    2. helmi8 21 February 2020 13: 44 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      And there they believe that they fed Russia

      Well, so many former union republics think so. But you can just see open data on the economy of the USSR which of the republics received what subsidies from the Union budget. And see the difference between receiving from the republic and pouring into it ...
      1. Kronos 21 February 2020 17: 19 New
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        And where does the subsidy matter, it is important that in each republic goods that were important for the whole country were produced - where are electronics, somewhere is equipment, agricultural products and so on
      2. Lamata 21 February 2020 17: 34 New
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        He does not see one, numbers from anger are blurred.
    3. AK1972 21 February 2020 13: 45 New
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      They fed a bulba.
      1. Ros 56 21 February 2020 13: 53 New
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        Come on, even we have enough in the Urals.
      2. Aerodrome 21 February 2020 13: 54 New
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        Unification of Russia and Belarus: a pipe dream or a challenge for future generations
        Quote: AK1972
        They fed a bulba.

        Quote: helmi8
        Quote: Lamata
        And there they believe that they fed Russia

        Well, so many former union republics think so. But you can just see open data on the economy of the USSR which of the republics received what subsidies from the Union budget. And see the difference between receiving from the republic and pouring into it ...

        Quote: Tiksi-3
        Quote: Lamata
        And there they believe that they fed Russia. Just what, it’s not clear.

        In the USSR, they claimed that they fed potatoes and sausages, now they feed us “sanction” .... without a general referendum, all this is transfusion from empty to empty

        it's all about “exporting” in order to survive, in the country the products are much better than in the Russian Federation. Well, yes, there is a "onion" ... and what sane owner will give the country to the looters to plunder? what? so that millers with siluanovs, but cut rosenbergs? yes Luke is right. thereby saved the country.
        1. carstorm 11 21 February 2020 15: 23 New
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          much better? this is what criteria feel free to ask? can you show the scale? I don’t understand this nonsense. RB export products have nothing to do with domestic. different scales and standards.
          1. Tamparu 21 February 2020 19: 19 New
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            much better? this is what criteria feel free to ask? can you show the scale? I don’t understand this nonsense. RB export products have nothing to do with domestic. different scales and standards.

            I want to say that at the moment, as I have the opportunity to compare, food products produced in the Russian Federation (sausage, cheese, butter, dairy products) differ in their quality for the worse than a similar product made in Belarus and Ukraine.
            Yours faithfully, hi
            1. carstorm 11 21 February 2020 19: 26 New
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              I fundamentally disagree. any milk is strictly covered by the regulations and it is not much different from the imported one. I simply because I repeat that it is closed by all the guests. here what milk itself can influence. it is everywhere different to taste. meat products again, if you take it sausage and not a meat product is also normal. at least in my region I can’t make any complaints at all.
              1. WILL 21 February 2020 19: 31 New
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                I have a Belarussian Products store within walking distance. I confirm the quality is much higher! Many products retained Soviet GOSTs. Buying: Cheese, Sausage, Stewed, Condensed milk and much more. Prices are correspondingly higher.
                1. carstorm 11 21 February 2020 19: 34 New
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                  You understand, for this money you can always have excellent qualities and find our products. understand milk and meat products and our guests are produced. I’m talking specifically about natural products and not crafts on TU
                  1. WILL 21 February 2020 19: 40 New
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                    I mean the upper price limit and quality. To be objective, I suggest you try the Belarusian products, and on this basis - draw your own conclusions!
                    1. carstorm 11 21 February 2020 19: 45 New
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                      I go there twice a year) in Gomel and live there next to Spartak on Telman) I know everything perfectly. I have a mom and her family all from there. from the Vetka district.
                  2. Tamparu 21 February 2020 20: 57 New
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                    ... and our guests are made ...

                    In Russia, there are no longer GOSTs of the USSR !!! I deeply doubt that for the same money you will buy products manufactured in the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. Too much the producer of the Russian Federation wants to cut down money for a large ...
                    Sincerely, hi
                2. Polente the Wanderer 22 February 2020 21: 02 New
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                  And why not cheaper, because in Belarus they do not cost so much. If we supply brotherly oil, gas and other products, we should supply products at a cost like in Belarus
              2. Tamparu 21 February 2020 20: 52 New
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                I fundamentally disagree. any milk is strictly covered by the regulations and it is not much different from the imported one. I simply because I repeat that it is closed by all the guests. here what milk itself can influence. it is everywhere different to taste. meat products again, if you take it sausage and not a meat product is also normal. at least in my region I can’t make any complaints at all.

                Forget about state standard specifications in the Russian Federation !!! And not only in the Russian Federation! In Belarus, the standards are not yet much changed for the worse from the GOST of the USSR, as they are still afraid, they can pile on the heading! I say because I know. True, what goes to the Russian Federation and Ukraine may be a little worse quality, but this is a rare exception due to the fact that the products on the Belarusian market and on foreign markets are produced, roughly speaking, from one “barrel”. Instead of GOSTs, Ukraine has long introduced its own standard, the so-called "DSTU". This is a more liberal interpretation of the quality system of products and it all depends on the “Wishlist” of the Manufacturer, that is, it wants to “cut the dough” more, it produces from unknown things and unknown technology. Well, if you are worried about your brand, then try to make the highest quality product. Speaking about similar products manufactured in Russia, it seems that all Manufacturers want money for an incomprehensible product and incomprehensible quality. And why is it difficult for you to make a claim for quality or evaluate it by the criterion: “normal” / “abnormal”? Perhaps you do not have such an opportunity ...
                Sincerely, hi
        2. Sidor Amenpodestovich 21 February 2020 16: 32 New
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          "But if vodka were not driven from sawdust,
          That we were with five bottles "
          Right?
        3. Brturin 21 February 2020 22: 58 New
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          Quote: Aerodrome
          in the country, products are much better than in the Russian Federation

          For me, this is a matter of taste, some are for, some are against, only 78% of this production goes to Russia - At the end of 2019 - "At the same time, we managed to reduce the share of the Russian Federation by 1,2 percent points. in the total export of Belarusian food "- the head of the main department of foreign economic activity of the Ministry of Agriculture and Food Alexey Bogdanov. Only now enter the world market ...
      3. Lamata 21 February 2020 17: 35 New
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        I present a bulb to drive to the Urals or Altai from Belarus to carry.
    4. Kleber 21 February 2020 13: 55 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      And there they believe that they fed Russia. Just what, it’s not clear.


      A little tweak. They believe that they not only fed Russia, but they still feed.
      1. Lamata 21 February 2020 19: 47 New
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        Shrimps !!! Belarusian apples, and salmon.
    5. Paul Siebert 21 February 2020 14: 58 New
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      In recent months, the feeling that the time around us is being compressed, compressed, and thinning does not leave me.
      What it used to take years to slip in a few weeks or days ...
      What are future generations? - everything will happen very, very soon. Not tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow, but in the foreseeable future.
      The era of Lukashenko is leaving. We are on the verge of something new, unknown.
      Modernity puts an end to dependency and the passive expectation of gifts from Russia.
      This is beginning to be understood on both sides of our borders.
      The time is running out when the Sumerian tanks were refueled with diesel produced at Belarusian oil refineries from Russian oil.
      A year later, the Belarusian shop of Russian gas will close ...
      The time of the old Union State is leaving to give way to the time of the Union State - the new!
      Time forward! wink
      1. at84432384 21 February 2020 15: 43 New
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        But it just really came that state in the world economic system, which is called the collapse of capitalism. The fact that this will come was predicted by Adam Smith, then he substantiated Marx, detailed Lenin. Now, well-known Western economists of a liberal persuasion (yesterday this topic was simply taboo) and Western politicians are no longer arguing with this. A crisis is expected worse than the late 20s - early 30s. In Russia, the authorities are beginning to prepare for this, it has become noticeable. Do they understand this in Belarus? Judging by the previous bazaar tactics and strategies of blackmailing its leader - no. So much the worse for ordinary Belarusians. Now we need not to seek one-sided advantages, but to combine efforts.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2 23 February 2020 13: 45 New
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          In Russia, the authorities are beginning to prepare for this, it has become noticeable.

          Rather, as the crisis worsens, a reduction in the share of the cake that shrinks in size for small participants begins.
      2. Dizel200 21 February 2020 18: 53 New
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        Uryayayayayayaya !!!!))))) Today Grygorich’s GDP suggested something there for oil. Grygorich already fluffed his mustache, pleased. I wonder what? probably again at the expense of the Russian people buns))))
        1. Sling cutter 22 February 2020 12: 30 New
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          Quote: Dizel200
          ,satisfied. I wonder what? probably again at the expense of the Russian people buns))))

          What are Belarusians getting there at the expense of the Russian people? explain!
          1. Aleksandr21 22 February 2020 16: 04 New
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            Quote: Stroporez
            What are Belarusians getting there at the expense of the Russian people? explain!


            They receive money directly from the budget of the Russian Federation. Yesterday there was news that Russia was ready to compensate for the losses of Belarus from the reduction of customs duty. Have you studied the laws of economics? If somewhere arrived, then somewhere it disappeared (if simply), and non-oil companies will suffer losses here, so either the government will somehow compensate the companies (the premium, if they plan to compensate for the “losses” due to it), or immediately recount the money Belarus from the budget. In any case, the budget of the Russian Federation will lose money.
            1. Sling cutter 22 February 2020 21: 45 New
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              Quote: Aleksandr21
              In any case, the budget of the Russian Federation will lose money.

              Even if so, although they lied, when oligarchs with incomprehensible citizenship are compensated for by some losses from sanctions from the real federal budget, and in 2008 the entire stabilization fund was threatened by them, you do not mind trillions, and when the Belarusians were allegedly given subsidies for a ridiculous, by the standards of any oligarch of the Russian Federation, the amount, then all suddenly came out with bile and other vapors, however, not realizing that we were all robbed for larger amounts.
          2. Lekz 22 February 2020 20: 01 New
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            I heard that oil at world prices somehow across the Old Man stood up. Now I decided to buy at prices higher than world prices, but in Russia. Are you talking about this?
    6. bandabas 21 February 2020 15: 14 New
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      So they type and now "feed". "Belarusian shrimp". And, I do not argue, normal sausage, for a frantic price. Old Man is profitable. That's why he is the chairman of the collective farm. soldier ! All with the upcoming 23rd drinks !
      1. bandabas 21 February 2020 16: 15 New
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        ABOUT!!!! Bulbashi appeared!
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        A furious price becomes passing through the hands of intermediaries.)
  2. BAI
    BAI 21 February 2020 13: 36 New
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    Alexander Lukashenko gave an interview on Ekho Moskvy radio.

    A very sympathetic alliance has turned out. It looks like a union of 2 enemies against the 3rd.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 21 February 2020 13: 47 New
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      What is a "simpotomy"?
  3. Whalebone 21 February 2020 13: 37 New
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    No one thought why Europe, united by the economy, left the political sovereignty of the member states? Why the United States and Canada do not unite, it would seem - the same "brothers"? With a population difference of more than 10 times and the same territories. States at once could become the largest country on the planet.
    Why do we need political associations in the 21st century if neighbors live by similar laws, there are no visas, freedom of movement of the population and capital?
    1. Tiksi-3 21 February 2020 13: 42 New
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      Quote: Whalebone
      Why political unions are needed in the 21st century

      for military union
      1. Whalebone 21 February 2020 15: 37 New
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        History knows countless numbers of military alliances. NATO, what united in one country? And what about the police department, did the military alliance help?
        1. Lamata 21 February 2020 19: 48 New
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          And did Poland in 1939, a military alliance with France and England helped?
    2. helmi8 21 February 2020 13: 49 New
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      Quote: Whalebone
      No one thought why Europe, united by the economy, left the political sovereignty of the member states?

      And what do we see in this example? Or do you want to say that Germany and Greece (just as an example) are at the same level of economy and life?
      1. Whalebone 21 February 2020 15: 34 New
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        According to one law, they live and freely move themselves and their business. What else is unification for? Isn't it up to the same rules of the game?
    3. tihonmarine 21 February 2020 13: 52 New
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      Why do we need political associations in the 21st century if neighbors live by similar laws, there are no visas, freedom of movement of the population and capital?

      Laws, visas, freedom of movement, but tobacco apart. America is a continent, and they live separately, and never unite. Everything seems to be nearby, unite, but Trump is building a wall.
      1. Whalebone 21 February 2020 15: 36 New
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        Not with Canada the same wall, with Mexico
        1. tihonmarine 21 February 2020 19: 32 New
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          Quote: Whalebone

          Not with Canada the same wall, with Mexico

          And this is also America, and not another continent.
    4. Aerodrome 21 February 2020 13: 59 New
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      Quote: Whalebone
      No one thought why Europe, united by the economy, left the political sovereignty of the member states? Why the United States and Canada do not unite, it would seem - the same "brothers"? With a population difference of more than 10 times and the same territories. States at once could become the largest country on the planet.

      foolishly write, or so ..? voice country. all clear ?
      1. Whalebone 21 February 2020 15: 35 New
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        Where is the voice? At the elections? At the UN?
    5. Xenofont 21 February 2020 14: 04 New
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      In Canada, francophones are a significant part of the population! Do you know the role of language in such processes?
      1. Whalebone 21 February 2020 15: 35 New
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        Do you know Louisiana?) It was also French.
        1. Xenofont 21 February 2020 15: 44 New
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          You do not confuse the era? You never know what happened 200 years ago. There, Spanish dominated in many places. In Canada, with some periodicity, referendums for the separation of francophone provinces are held!
          1. Whalebone 21 February 2020 18: 22 New
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            Separated ??? You answer that question? Why didn't the States of Canada swallow? 30 million against 350? The same area. They won’t fight, of course. Why not together?
            1. Xenofont 21 February 2020 19: 10 New
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              Why absorb it? Canada is a politically absolute slave. Plus the benefits of formal separation. Where did the recruits run during the Vietnam War? And industry and business are extremely integrated.
              1. Whalebone 22 February 2020 08: 20 New
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                So why is it that Belarus breaks the spears? Why unification?
    6. at84432384 21 February 2020 15: 50 New
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      All the countries you have listed are united in a military-political union called NATO. Canada is a member of the British Commonwealth and is quite different in state structure from the United States. But Belarus has been a part of Russia for centuries, so there is nothing to compare.
    7. _Sergei_ 21 February 2020 16: 22 New
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      Europe did not unite in order to be together, but to get markets for its goods from Germany and France. Great Britain has left the European Union and is immediately ready to lift sanctions on some goods, because it is losing the European market. And what can eastern countries produce today? They simply will not be given. Quotas strangled. Today they are only consumers.
  4. DMB 75 21 February 2020 13: 37 New
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    While we live in different countries, separated by politicians and politicians. They will not let us be together, at least during the lifetime of the current generation.

    And here I agree with the Old Man. Not during my life for sure ... It's a pity there are no closer and dearer peoples.
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      It is a pity there are no closer and dearer peoples.

      Well, she still had connections and friendship.
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        It is a pity there are no closer and dearer peoples.

        Well, she still had connections and friendship.

        it is easily "nullified" by the Maidan .... we saw.
        1. Darkesstcat 21 February 2020 14: 13 New
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          Why, Donbass supported the Russian Federation, sorry no one wants to accept it.
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            Donbass supported the Russian Federation

            Controversial statement. Donbass wanted "like the Crimea." But in order to specifically “support the Russian Federation” - he did not think.
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      And here I agree with the Old Man. Not during my life for sure ..

      So agree with the following: "Unification with Russia can only be in one case, if Russia joins Belarus, and I will be president or out .... Kachanova (approx. Head of the Presidential Administration of the Republic of Belarus)."
  5. Sergey39 21 February 2020 13: 44 New
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    “The unification of Russia and Belarus is not planned, but perhaps it will happen in the next generation”
    And the next generation will come after the presidential election, at which he will be replaced.
    1. Kleber 21 February 2020 13: 51 New
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      And the next generation will come after the presidential election, at which he will be replaced.


      He will sooner or later be replaced, but will be replaced by another president who does not want to be the Russian governor. And next to him. This carousel will last for a long time if Russia does not take tougher and more correct steps.
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        This carousel for a long time if Russia does not take tougher and more correct steps

        It's right. Here we only find out about this only in fact. "Tough and right steps" will be taken behind the scenes.
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        This carousel will last for a long time if Russia does not take tougher and more correct steps.

        Tough, what do you mean here. I think it’s not a force intervention.
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        This carousel will last for a long time if Russia does not take tougher and more correct steps.

        What are these steps regarding the union state you propose?
    2. Xenofont 21 February 2020 14: 06 New
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      The top will never give up independence for all obvious reasons.
      1. Darkesstcat 21 February 2020 14: 09 New
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        They can refuse, the question is in the conditions of failure. You can just buy them.
        1. Xenofont 21 February 2020 14: 13 New
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          No, for the role of the head of a single state, of course! For in other cases, this is a reduction in their capabilities. Well, in Russia, the coming to power of mental seluk is a terrible thing.
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            Mental Selyuk will not crush the state. And the arrival of the KGB will lead to the rule of law in the country.
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  6. knn54 21 February 2020 13: 47 New
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    On Kolenka, I apologize to Nikolai Alexandrovich, there is also little hope.
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  8. rocket757 21 February 2020 13: 55 New
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    Long "fairy tale" affects, but the thing ???
    1. cniza 21 February 2020 18: 00 New
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      It seems that everyone is only interested in the process, not the result ...
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        It seems that everyone is only interested in the process, not the result ...

        The process is certainly addictive, and the carrot on the rope is not small, in general, it was ....
        let's see, I stopped understanding those “dances” completely. just see if it will be the result, what will it be?
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          I would also like to, but will we survive? ...
  9. Alex2 21 February 2020 14: 00 New
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    Well done Luka. Ostap Bender could learn from him. Putin has already offered oil to this jerk at old prices and without conditions.
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      There are always hidden conditions. The question is what did he require in exchange.)
  10. demo 21 February 2020 14: 30 New
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    All this reasoning is a transfusion "from empty to empty."
    Russia is also not an independent state.
    Which is under external control.
    There is only one currency rule - exactly as much as the currency (USA) is available in the circulation of the national currency on external accounts - what it costs.
    With whom are non-independent Belarusians united with non-independent Russians?
  11. Vladimir Mashkov 21 February 2020 15: 01 New
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    The article basically repeats the already published. In short, the question is now being decided: what will happen to Lukashenko, officials, Belarus and Belarusians. And how much they can all defend their interests (the interests of the first two contradict the other two). If Lukashenko changes his mind, moderate his ambitions and be able to curb the appetites of officials, heed the TRUE opinion of the people, everything will be fine. If he tries to maintain his personal power by any means and means, Belarus and the people will be in trouble. The biggest question: how will the people behave (I don’t have any illusions about this ...).
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      The article basically repeats the already published. In short, now the question is being decided: what will happen to Putin, officials, Russia and the Russians. And how much they can all defend their interests (the interests of the first two contradict the other two). If Putin changes his mind, moderate his ambitions and be able to curb the appetites of officials, heed the TRUE opinion of the people, everything will be fine. If he tries to maintain his personal power by any means and means, Russia and the people will be in trouble. The biggest question: how will the people behave (I don’t have any illusions about this ...).
    2. Alexga 21 February 2020 18: 52 New
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      The article basically repeats the already published. In short, the question is now being decided: what will happen to Lukashenko, officials, Belarus and Belarusians. And how much they can all defend their interests (the interests of the first two contradict the other two). If Lukashenko changes his mind, moderate his ambitions and be able to curb the appetites of officials, heed the TRUE opinion of the people, everything will be fine. If he tries to maintain his personal power by any means and means, Belarus and the people will be in trouble. The biggest question: how will the people behave (I don’t have any illusions about this ...).

      And try to ask this question to the residents of Belarus, asking them to justify their position. It is very curious how the people will express themselves.
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    Not now, nobody needs it.
  13. Minipig79 21 February 2020 16: 22 New
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    1. The “opposition” echo of Moscow is funded by Gazprom. Already from here, any sane person can understand what kind of opposition it is.
    2. The mustachioed will strangle itself, but will not move from the throne. Nakoy him some kind of union, if he ceases to be king.
    3. The dream of generations is to live and work in a country in which prices are not raised monthly, they care a little about citizens, where a citizen can hope for a justice of the court, where "suddenly" heaps of money and material wealth are not found in civil servants, where alone and the same hari do not fill the screens.
    And already in the union to achieve this or outside thereof is the tenth matter.
  14. cniza 21 February 2020 17: 58 New
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    Alexander Lukashenko gave an interview on Ekho Moskvy radio.


    He doesn’t know what the echo of Moscow is or they didn’t tell him ... ... he did it on purpose.
  15. Soviet Union 21 February 2020 19: 03 New
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    The more time passes, the worse. The bridge that connects our countries is being destroyed by time and villains, it is becoming increasingly difficult to return to the Russian Empire. I'm sorry.
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  17. Vladimir Mashkov 21 February 2020 19: 27 New
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    Quote: AlexGa
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    The article basically repeats the already published. In short, the question is now being decided: what will happen to Lukashenko, officials, Belarus and Belarusians. And how much they can all defend their interests (the interests of the first two contradict the other two). If Lukashenko changes his mind, moderate his ambitions and be able to curb the appetites of officials, heed the TRUE opinion of the people, everything will be fine. If he tries to maintain his personal power by any means and means, Belarus and the people will be in trouble. The biggest question: how will the people behave (I don’t have any illusions about this ...).

    And try to ask this question to the residents of Belarus, asking them to justify their position. It is very curious how the people will express themselves.

    You can ask a question, but here, after all, it is not the people who are present, but their individual representatives of different views.
    1. Minipig79 21 February 2020 22: 46 New
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      As one of the representatives of this very people I will answer. All the fibers of the soul for a common state with the Russian Federation ... was. After the last clown with your elbasy (the supreme arbiter), irremovable nanochubays, bears, etc. loafers, disappointment came. And not only with me personally. Very pro-Russian comrades were also disappointed. What we have, what you have up above, what for interests of the people except the double cow, no one perceives.
  18. Vlad5307 21 February 2020 19: 53 New
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    And there they believe that they fed Russia

    Well, so many former union republics think so. But you can just see open data on the economy of the USSR which of the republics received what subsidies from the Union budget. And see the difference between receiving from the republic and pouring into it ...

    The budget was general and it was distributed in such a way that industry was developed in all the republics, but there were distortions, for example, in the Baltic countries - they made a window (so we finished it), but no one thought to develop Russia worthily. And the feudal mentality of the Central Asian and Caucasian peoples could not be overcome. Hence, the legs grew for the collapse of the USSR. Well, it is clear that after the successful collapse of the USSR, each specific prince wanted to be king / khan in his patrimony. hi
  19. Caretaker 21 February 2020 20: 13 New
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    Belarus will never agree to a status in the Union State lower than that of Belarus in the USSR.
    Is the President of Russia ready to delegate part of the powers to the bodies of the Union State? Are we ready, agree?
    1. Minipig79 21 February 2020 22: 49 New
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      Saying "Belarus" - who do you mean? My like-minded people previously were quite happy with the role of the region or region. If you mean the mustachioed irremovable, of course he will not exchange the role of the first lad on the collective farm for "one in a hundred". Like any of the 15 kings of the ex-USSR.
  20. Caretaker 21 February 2020 20: 26 New
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    ... For example, Russia supplied Belarus with about 20 million tons of oil without customs duties. Belarusians at its factories processed it into oil products.

    Part of the production was left for domestic consumption, and about 12 million tons were exported to European countries. The income was decent ...

    In trading, this is normal practice.
    Belarus supplied fertilizers to Russia duty free, after applying them and harvesting, we left some of the products for domestic consumption, the rest was exported, and the income was decent.

    The territory of the EAEU is “a single customs territory, within which customs duties and economic restrictions are not applied in the mutual trade of goods, with the exception of special protective, anti-dumping and countervailing measures. Moreover, the countries participating in the Customs Union apply uniform customs tariffs and other regulatory measures when trading with third countries ”[4, p. fifty]. In trade relations between the EAEU countries, measures of customs and tariff regulation and measures of non-tariff regulation are applied.
    Chaykina M.S. FEATURES OF CUSTOMS-TARIFF AND CURRENCY REGULATION OF TRADE BETWEEN EAEU COUNTRIES // Scientific community of students of the XXI century. ECONOMIC SCIENCES: Sat. Art. by mat. LXXXIII Int. Stud. scientific-practical conf. No. 11 (83). URL: https://sibac.info/archive/economy/11(83).pdf (accessed: 21.02.2020)
  21. Sklendarka 21 February 2020 20: 49 New
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    Quote: AlexGa
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    The article basically repeats the already published. In short, the question is now being decided: what will happen to Lukashenko, officials, Belarus and Belarusians. And how much they can all defend their interests (the interests of the first two contradict the other two). If Lukashenko changes his mind, moderate his ambitions and be able to curb the appetites of officials, heed the TRUE opinion of the people, everything will be fine. If he tries to maintain his personal power by any means and means, Belarus and the people will be in trouble. The biggest question: how will the people behave (I don’t have any illusions about this ...).

    And try to ask this question to the residents of Belarus, asking them to justify their position. It is very curious how the people will express themselves.

    Ready to answer all your questions ?, but there is one request-asking indicates how old he is ...
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    So, I’m saying that Dodson, the head of the Dodson and Decker brokerage, Wall Street, opened his eyes. A trusted clerk, Peabody, stood next to the chair, not daring to speak. Wheels rumbled muffled beneath the window, an electric fan humming lullingly.
    - Ahem! Peabody, ”Dodson said, blinking. - I seem to fall asleep. I had a curious dream. What's up Peabody?
    “Mr. Williams from Tracy and Williams is waiting for you, sir.” He came to pay for X, Igrek, Z. He got caught with them, sir, if you recall.
    - Yes I remember. And what is their price today?
    “One eighty-five, sir.”
    “Well, pay it off at that price.”
    “Sorry, sir,” Peabody said, worried, “I spoke to Williams.” He is your old friend, Mr. Dodson, and yet you bought all of X, Irek, Z. It seems to me that you could, that is ... Maybe you don’t remember that he sold them to you ninety-eight. If he pays off at the current price, he will have to lose all his capital and sell his house.
    Dodson's face instantly changed: now it expressed cold cruelty and implacable greed. The soul of this man glanced for a minute, as sometimes the villain's face peeps out of the window of a venerable bourgeois house.
    “Let him pay one eighty-five,” said Dodson. “Bolivar can't take two down.”
    O.Henry
    The roads we choose

    Reminds conversations with representatives of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation.
    It seems that they changed their minds in time, realized that they had “gone too far”.
    Earlier, interstate agreements were concluded on oil supplies to Belarus at preferential prices. plus "premiums" to suppliers. Russia also received preferences. eg. Rosneft acquired a 21% stake in the Mozyr Oil Refinery; gas station networks of "Russian" producers and a petroleum depot were opened in the Republic of Belarus.
    After the “tax maneuver” in Russia, the benefits gradually began to decrease (while maintaining premiums to suppliers). Those. our companies received preferences, and Belarusians lost their privileges, while maintaining a "premium" to suppliers. Formally, intergovernmental agreements are being implemented, but in fact the usual scam is for Belarus.
    Lukashenko only requires honest fulfillment of obligations.
  23. Banet vat 21 February 2020 21: 01 New
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    For centuries, nations have shed blood for their countries, for their freedom. And then take it and simply enter the region into another country. No, thanks. Yes, Belarus is not rich, but there are no "friends" from the Caucasus, nor other southern comrades. It's safe to walk at night. The police are working, but not engaged in the protection of businesses, etc. The cities are clean. There is no AUE culture, but all this thieves subject is not held in high esteem with us. Personally, I appreciate it and will never trade for the sake of oil and gas, supposedly free.
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      In addition to fulfilling his direct duties, our civilian Ministry of Internal Affairs no less successfully grabbed and stuffed into the buses just clapping people who expressed disagreement with the authorities in this way. Do you really appreciate this?
  24. boni592807 21 February 2020 21: 09 New
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    There is a strategy, there is a tactic, there are dibs in the market. drinks

    Russia and Belarus need to be together. Now, this is an artificial "cutting" to a large BOOM. The question of survival is becoming more and more relevant in the modern World! soldier
    It's easy to break, but hard to create. One country is needed.
    As an option - the appearance of a missing territory(subject of federation) of Russia (RF) for eastern Slavs (Russians are the sum: Great Russians, Little Russians, Belarusians).
    The question of the "absence" of Russians and "their territory" for Russians in Russia will be closed. It is time to become equal, like the Tatars, Chechens, Bashkirs, etc. Or ...?! belay
  25. iouris 21 February 2020 21: 57 New
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    Znachitstsa is this: not "unification", but the elimination of the split and its consequences.
  26. Aleks2000 22 February 2020 09: 41 New
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    Ah, these conversations have been going on for about 20 years ....
    But the oligarchy of each country has its own, and the Belarusian is afraid that it will be eaten upon unification.

    so another 20 years of talking ....
  27. Vladimir Mashkov 22 February 2020 11: 53 New
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    As one of the representatives of this very people I will answer. All the fibers of the soul for a common state with the Russian Federation ... was. After the last clown with your elbasy (the supreme arbiter), irremovable nanochubays, bears, etc. loafers, disappointment came. And not only with me personally. Very pro-Russian comrades were also disappointed. What we have, what you have up above, what for interests of the people except the double cow, no one perceives.

    All clear. You, the “spadar disappointed”, although CLEARLY did not answer the MAIN question, but have ornately supported Lukashenko in his course on pro-Ukrainian “development” and AGAINST joint “vegetation” together with Russia. In general, a real "syabar".
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      UPDATE. You are FOR the pro-Ukrainian "development" under American politicians and oligarchs, but AGAINST the pro-Russian "vegetation" under Russian politicians with oligarchs. Sobering will inevitably come to you. I'm afraid it will be very late.
      In general, one cannot live alone in this world today. And for Belarus, the moment has come to be determined with Belarusians. Make no mistake!
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        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
        UPDATE. You are FOR the pro-Ukrainian "development" under American politicians and oligarchs, but AGAINST the pro-Russian "vegetation" under Russian politicians with oligarchs. Sobering will inevitably come to you. I'm afraid it will be very late.
        In general, one cannot live alone in this world today. And for Belarus, the moment has come to be determined with Belarusians. Make no mistake!

        What are you all scaring? Put things in order in your country before you tell us and decide for us which scenario to choose ... A person who has lived in Minsk would understand at least six months that the Maidan is impossible here. First of all, because everything is tightly controlled here, including the opposition and all its leaders. Secondly, Belarusians do not need the Maidan. Here it is of no interest to anyone except a handful of opp ...
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    Quote: Edward_Zuzenko
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    UPDATE. You are FOR the pro-Ukrainian "development" under American politicians and oligarchs, but AGAINST the pro-Russian "vegetation" under Russian politicians with oligarchs. Sobering will inevitably come to you. I'm afraid it will be very late.
    In general, one cannot live alone in this world today. And for Belarus, the moment has come to be determined with Belarusians. Make no mistake!

    What are you all scaring? Put things in order in your country before you tell us and decide for us which scenario to choose ... A person who has lived in Minsk would understand at least six months that the Maidan is impossible here. First of all, because everything is tightly controlled here, including the opposition and all its leaders. Secondly, Belarusians do not need the Maidan. Here it is of no interest to anyone except a handful of opp ...

    No one scares you or points you out. You are just being warned. Like a friend. And in order to lie under new "friends", Maidan is not necessary.
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    "Little Wanderer, honey, sama-sama-sama." (WITH)
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  31. Polente the Wanderer 22 February 2020 20: 48 New
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    There may be a chance for unification, but in the distant ... future.
    So it’s necessary to build all relations with all Independent (including Belarus) states in terms of the benefits of Russian citizens. Why should we tear ourselves away and feed someone (According to IMF experts, the volume of “total net support ”from Russia ranged from 11 to 27% of Belarusian GDP.). This applies to both oil and gas supplies and bank loans.
  32. Polente the Wanderer 22 February 2020 21: 11 New
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    According to the reader, one must assume from Belarus - "Russia also received preferences. For example. Rosneft acquired a 21% stake in the Mozyr refinery, gas station networks of" Russian "producers, oil depots were opened on the territory of the Republic of Belarus."
    Is it that Rosneft gifted a 21% stake or did Rosneft buy a 21% stake?
    Or the gas station network was built by Belarus and presented to Russian companies.
    And taxes due to trade will probably go to Russia, and not to remain in Belarus. And probably Russian citizens will work at the gas station ..
    WHAT IT IS FOR PREFERENCES-build at your own expense, invest your money ...
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    The problem of us Russians is that we believe that we are somehow special and all owe us. And if we rule someone, then they will have one profit. In fact, without the Tatars of Jews and other peoples, the history of Russia would generally remain at the level of pagans and drunks