VTsIOM poll: About 61 percent of men served in the army


VTsIOM conducted a survey that focuses on the upcoming holiday - Defender of the Fatherland Day. The survey was dedicated to the question of who should be congratulated on this day and how many compatriots served in the ranks of power structures.


The survey results are published by TASS.

It is noted that for the current year only 29% of Russians surveyed served in the army. In a similar survey from 2011, the figure was 32 percent. It should be noted here that both men and women participated in the VTsIOM survey. Among men surveyed, the percentage of those serving in the army was 61.

Approximately 40 percent of Russians surveyed believe that in February 23, it is necessary to congratulate only those who have been or are currently doing military service. The idea that on the Defender of the Fatherland Day it is necessary to congratulate all men is held by 27% of VTsIOM respondents. 15 years ago, this figure was close to 50 percent.

Recall that earlier on February 23 was celebrated as the Day of the Soviet Army and the Navy fleet, which uniquely determined those who are congratulated on the holiday. However, most often, the traditions came down to congratulating almost any of the stronger sex.
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  1. Mavrikiy 21 February 2020 06: 31 New
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    Conclusion. Does the number of trained Defenders of the Fatherland decline or fall? But "sofa troops" are growing. Wars are increasingly virtual. Even Erdogan made a 101 warning, and the Turks issued a bunch of saliva and snot on their inf. resources.
    1. Pessimist22 21 February 2020 06: 36 New
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      It goes down, of course, while virtual and sofas are growing.
      1. orionvitt 21 February 2020 14: 06 New
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        Quote: Pessimist22
        virtual and couches are growing.

        You laugh in vain. Nowadays, virtual information warfare is already much more effective than the most powerful army. No doubt, a strong army is needed, but it no longer solves all the problems associated with geopolitical influence. And the methods of warfare have long changed. Previously, a company of ordinary militias could hold back a section of the front. Now, military training has gone into professionalism and the intellectual sphere. There will be no "tank wedges", dozens of divisions and thousand-kilometer fronts. Today, precision strikes, with appropriate support in the information environment and economic pressure. And the couch troops, let them entertain themselves, if only not to the detriment of the state. And sometimes such "pearls" sometimes give out that the hair is on end.
    2. polar fox 21 February 2020 06: 37 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Output.

      there can be any conclusion, it all depends on where the polls were conducted. yes and again, a person worked all his life (like my uncle) in the defense industry, but he didn’t serve in the army. is he a defender or what? shooter, who is she?
      1. private person 21 February 2020 07: 14 New
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        (like my uncle) he worked in the defense industry, a relative served under a contract in 201

        Did he himself serve?
        1. polar fox 21 February 2020 08: 52 New
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          Quote: private person
          Did he himself serve?

          he himself served. in the SA sergeant. then to the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the special department until retirement. Major. "On the street" worked. Any other questions?
          1. Diana Ilyina 21 February 2020 13: 37 New
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            I remember something like that, as my older brother said after the army, and my husband too:
            Who was not he will be
            Who was not to forget
            730 days in boots
            Once again, with the holiday of all involved! Thank you boys for the clear sky above our heads. And these are not just words, they are. And while Russia has an army and there are real men, we really can live peacefully and raise children. May God continue to live without war.
            So THANKS TO YOU REAL MEN !!! Holiday greetings! love love love
            1. AK1972 21 February 2020 14: 42 New
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              Thank you very much, Diana !!! While in Russia there are real beautiful women giving birth to beautiful children, there is someone to protect, and therefore there is an army. Happiness and health to you, your husband, children, all your relatives and friends!
              Regards, Alexey.
          2. Paul Siebert 21 February 2020 15: 27 New
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            In fact, it is a great happiness to feel that you are part of a huge community of people who have defended and defend our Motherland!
            I took the oath only once and, like you all, remained faithful to her!
            Happy holiday, dear forum users! Dear Defenders of the Fatherland!
            Say - early?
            But you know yourself - who is happy about the holiday ... drinks
    3. Finches 21 February 2020 06: 46 New
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      Personally, I have served in the Armed Forces, from ordinary military service to a senior officer, having traveled a glorious path from commanding the squad, being a castle commander, commanding a platoon, company ... to commanding a separate military unit (the first military rank after a private was a corporal, even not his missed ... Careerist laughing ), having lived more than 25 wonderful years of army service, he also celebrated February 23 as Day of the Soviet Army and Navy, Day of the Russian Army and Navy, but in no other way - what kind of holiday is this and who is the defender of the Fatherland - I personally do not know! But God bless him ... Today it’s even fashionable - from the gay parade immediately to the festive table on February 23 - but what? Feast of primary sexual characteristics ... laughing
      1. Dmitry Potapov 21 February 2020 06: 56 New
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        Why are you doing this? To draw a parallel on February 23 with a gay parade, to put it mildly, not from the hands of an officer, especially of the Soviet (Russian) army.
        1. Finches 21 February 2020 07: 00 New
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          You have your own opinion - I have my own! Make a general holiday for men the other day — I’m not against it and I will be happy to celebrate it myself, but depersonalize the glorious day of the Armed Forces of the country — I consider, GENTLY TALKING, blasphemy! Everyone has their own holiday - Police Day, Rosguard Day ... But the Army does not ...
          1. Dmitry Potapov 21 February 2020 07: 37 New
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            For God's sake! Have an opinion! Do not mix gays since February 23. Do not like well, do not celebrate. Although I served as an emergency in Tashkent after the collapse of the USSR (1993-1994), I still consider February 23 to be my holiday, although Uzbekistan’s Defender of the Fatherland Day is January 14th.
            1. Finches 21 February 2020 07: 56 New
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              You have served and rightly that celebrates, deservedly!
              And why do you offend gays, it’s not tolerant, they can also celebrate February 23, this is the holiday of all men and men laughing
              1. Voyager 21 February 2020 08: 51 New
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                Sometimes you listen, many complain that the topic of gays is constantly once again promoted and exaggerated, why are you doing this?

                And a man does not make a man a man. The army is just the conditions where its formation is stimulated. First of all, a man is made such by his actions, for example, his willingness to stand up for the weak, for a just cause or sacrifice in one sense or another.
                1. Finches 21 February 2020 09: 25 New
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                  In this case - I'm just a joker! hi laughing
                  1. Voyager 21 February 2020 12: 29 New
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                    Then I will joke with your permission hi
                    1. Finches 21 February 2020 13: 27 New
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                      For God's sake! For me, Shoigu was like a jacket, so he will remain a jacket! And a man who has served in the Army is free to dispose of his life as he pleases - he has given his duty to the Fatherland! laughing
                      1. mat-vey 21 February 2020 14: 06 New
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                        That's the joke, of which only Zverev served))))))
                      2. Finches 21 February 2020 18: 10 New
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                        So I know about it!
            2. AK1972 21 February 2020 14: 48 New
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              February 23 will drink demobilization vodka
              All who serve, who serve
              Someone who has deviated from service, and the military with experience,
              And the white ticket even
              And some pedirast also celebrate much
              In general, anyone celebrates,
              Yay ... (testicles) is, and your holiday !!
              * For moderators: pedirastia is a sexual and mental deviation from the norm.
          2. The leader of the Redskins 21 February 2020 08: 05 New
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            But what if the gay served in the army? recourse Congratulate him or not?
            1. Finches 21 February 2020 08: 17 New
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              If served, then earned! True, they were not taken into the army, and, thank God, they are not yet taking them.
              1. Paranoid50 21 February 2020 10: 55 New
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                Quote: Finches
                True, they were not taken into the army,

                Oh, Eugene, everything has happened:

                Well, in addition to jokes, for myself, I also consider this holiday the Day of the SA and the Navy. Therefore, I consider myself not entitled to accept congratulations on this day, because I already served in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the 90s. (Term + contract, because it dragged on laughing ) And it insanely delivers to observe from the side, when on this day every hamster - “time-valeti” is built to receive nishtyaks from the female half. Yes, a demon with them, little-cold. With all my heart I congratulate all the participants in the upcoming. drinks soldier
        2. polar fox 21 February 2020 08: 54 New
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          Quote: Finches
          .And the Army does not ...

          I do not agree. For those who served in the SA and the Navy of the USSR, he remained a feast. Just like the day of the Police.
          1. Finches 21 February 2020 09: 26 New
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            I am on the official recognition of the holiday!
        3. Olgovich 21 February 2020 11: 04 New
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          Quote: Finches
          but to depersonalize the glorious day of the Armed Forces of the country - I think, GENTLY TALKING, sacrilege! Everyone has your holiday - Police Day, Rosguard Day ... And the Army does not.


          The army of our country is always PEOPLE, flesh from its flesh, the most massiveth truly popular and the favorite instrument of the state and the people themselves.

          Therefore, her holiday is a holiday all peopleand the country's holidays are her holidays.

          Neither the day of communication, nor the day of the surveyor, etc., etc., are not mentioned at all. hi

          PS And all men, as shown by the same WWII, potential defenders of the Fatherland, in difficult times, is their MANDATORY duty hi
          1. Finches 21 February 2020 12: 00 New
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            Good day! hi
            Your post reminded me that I’ve been humming a couple of days, apparently on the eve of the holiday laughing

            We stand, platoon and porotny
            Immortal as fire. Calm as granite.
            We are the army of the country. We are the army of the people.
            A great feat is our history.

            It is not in vain that the banner is red in fate.
            No wonder the country hopes for us.
            The sacred words "Moscow is behind us!"
            We remember from the time of Borodin ...
            1. Alexander Seklitsky 21 February 2020 16: 28 New
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              Quote: Finches
              We stand, platoon and porotny
              Immortal as fire. Calm as granite.
              We are the army of the country. We are the army of the people.
              A great feat is our history.

              It is not in vain that the banner is red in fate.
              No wonder the country hopes for us.
              The sacred words "Moscow is behind us!"
              We remember from the time of Borodin ...

              Yes, yes, I remember I had a chance to "boggle" her in the ranks, and more than once soldier laughing
        4. knn54 21 February 2020 13: 24 New
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          Yes, Eugene, I agree. Only the Day of the military unit remained, but this is completely different.
    4. Alex_59 21 February 2020 07: 09 New
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      Quote: Finches
      I also celebrated on February 23, as the Day of the Soviet Army and Navy, the Day of the Russian Army and Navy, but in no other way - what kind of holiday is this and who is the defender of the Fatherland - I personally do not know!

      As a person who did not serve in the army, I fully support you, I always resisted to be congratulated on this day, I did not deserve it. It is just as absurd as congratulating me on the day of the police, to which I also have nothing to do. I am a communications engineer and we have our own professional holidays.
      1. Finches 21 February 2020 07: 33 New
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        Colleague hi Let me celebrate my professional holiday on October 20, and not Radio Day on May 7, nevertheless, she’s in the camouflage, in a civilian suit, all the same connection!
        1. Alex_59 21 February 2020 07: 35 New
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          Quote: Finches
          Colleague
          drinks
          Quote: Finches
          Radio Day May 7
          Yes, this is our holiday, although I am a "hairy" signalman - I was engaged in wired communication. laughing
          1. Finches 21 February 2020 07: 52 New
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            drinks I am multi-channel and I know a lot about gut! He commanded a long-distance communications company and managed a stationary communications center (there are so many attractive telephone operators and telegraph operators ...) laughing
            1. Zhan 21 February 2020 08: 34 New
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              Quote: Finches
              drinks I am multi-channel and I know a lot about gut! He commanded a long-distance communications company and managed a stationary communications center (there are so many attractive telephone operators and telegraph operators ...) laughing

              And each seems to be a goddess ... laughing
              1. Finches 21 February 2020 09: 27 New
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                Especially when you get alcohol given out for equipment maintenance from a safe ... laughing
      2. rich 21 February 2020 07: 57 New
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        Quote: Alex_59
        As a person who did not serve in the army, I fully support you, I always resisted to be congratulated on this day, I did not deserve it. It is just as absurd as congratulating me on the day of the police, to which I also have nothing to do. I am a communications engineer and we have our own professional holidays.

        Alexey hi , Eugenehi Good morning
        I also did not serve in the Army, but for me personally this is a triple holiday, which we always celebrate - not as the day of men, but as the Day of all those involved in the Soviet (Russian) Army of the Navy, and the birthday of my mother's mother and deceased father
        1. Finches 21 February 2020 08: 02 New
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          Then Happy drinks
    5. Ross xnumx 21 February 2020 07: 24 New
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      Quote: Finches
      Personally, I have served in the Armed Forces, from ordinary military service to a senior officer, having traveled a glorious path from the command of the squad

      Therefore, it was customary to congratulate us on:

      And not with the day of some defender (or midfielder). And in our time, no one would have thought of rehabilitating the traitors or rewarding with the Star of the Hero of the Soviet Union "military men" who were "mistaken" in choosing the sides of the confrontation.
      That is why I do not recognize the day of the defender (name), nor for national unity - artificially created by all sorts of different “holidays”, contributing to the extinction of the historical dates, events and life itself of many, albeit sworn, military personnel of the USSR.
      And for all those who consider themselves the culprits of this celebration on the basis of gender, there is a holiday:

      soldier
      1. Finches 21 February 2020 07: 34 New
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        Your truth! hi
    6. georggy 21 February 2020 08: 29 New
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      (The first military rank after the rank and file was Corporal

      Zyablintsev, and the "private" is no longer a military rank.
      Served say ................ peacocks say ...............
      1. Finches 21 February 2020 09: 27 New
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        And you carefully read that - can delve into .. laughing
        1. georggy 21 February 2020 09: 49 New
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          And you carefully read that - can delve into .. laughing

          Take your advice yourself. and maybe the point will come.
          1. Finches 21 February 2020 09: 56 New
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            "TAKE ADVICE," then! White in Russian wrote the first military rank "received AFTER the private - there was a corporal!" Do you interpret this, as it is not in Russian - in order to cling to a dialogue? Then you need to overcome yourself and express yourself politely to a stranger! Work hard and people will definitely start talking with you! hi
    7. Zhan 21 February 2020 08: 32 New
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      laughing soldier
      Well, I'm from a student cadet to sergeant com. Departments, deputy Com platoon. Then the university, military department. The total reserve .. smile
      And also celebrate as the old day of the SA and Navy .. smile
      I have the honor .. soldier
      But at the expense of primary sexual characteristics, it is well said ... laughing drinks
      All with the upcoming .. smile
      1. dauria 21 February 2020 11: 09 New
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        Well, I'm from a training cadet to a sergeant


        Pamper and I. There was no military rank "cadet". This is the position. The appeal "comrade cadet" was in military schools. But the title was "ordinary". request And the cadet could be both corporal and even foreman - but they were already called "Comrade Corporal"
        And to hell with him .... Happy, guys. soldier
        Those who are serving now - especially! As it was said, "A military holiday, like a horse’s wedding. A muzzle in flowers, an ass in soap" laughing
    8. Diana Ilyina 21 February 2020 11: 12 New
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      Eugene, my sincere respect, to real MEN! With the upcoming MALE holiday, Defender of the Fatherland Day, you personally and everyone involved! Namely, these same 61 percent of real men. Those who did not serve in the army, do not be offended by me very much, but in my opinion, they cannot claim congratulations on this holiday.
      So the boys again with the upcoming holiday. Good health to everyone, good luck in all your endeavors and that all of you have a strong reliable rear in the form of a family loving you!
      1. Finches 21 February 2020 12: 17 New
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        Diana! love Thank you!
  2. siberalt 21 February 2020 06: 55 New
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    Now almost every Sunday is a holiday for some kind, type of troops or services such as lubricants of military equipment. And February 23 is already more a tradition. You can congratulate both men and women, and boys - future defenders of the fatherland.
    1. rocket757 21 February 2020 07: 48 New
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      In general, ALL, indirectly, contribute to the glorious cause of protecting their homeland ...
      And so, let there be a TRADITION, because it has a foundation ... everyone decides for himself whether this applies to him or not. When EVERYTHING in the family either served or worked directly to increase the country's defense capability .... no questions arise at all.
      And then there ... how it goes, how can one make a guess?
      1. mat-vey 21 February 2020 10: 45 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        In general, ALL, indirectly, contribute to the glorious cause of protecting their homeland ...

        And Serdyukov?
        1. rocket757 21 February 2020 10: 58 New
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          And Serdyukov?

          He served in the SA, on this "sign" everything is as it should be.
          Another thing is that this surname has become a household name in relation to modern armed forces of the country. It happens.
          1. mat-vey 21 February 2020 11: 00 New
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            I'm not talking about the service, I'm talking about the "defense business" .. his "command" surrenders, let’s say that it’s not strengthened? So there’s a dilemma)))))
            1. rocket757 21 February 2020 11: 42 New
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              Quote: mat-vey
              I'm not talking about the service, I'm talking about the "defense business" .. his "command" surrenders, let’s say that it’s not strengthened? So there’s a dilemma)))))

              Actually, this is not a dilemma at all. All the formal signs of misconduct destroying the country's defense capability throughout the face! Moreover, selfish goals were not hidden in any way.
              DO NOT PLANT !!! ... we draw conclusions .......
              1. mat-vey 21 February 2020 11: 57 New
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                Quote: rocket757
                draw conclusions ..

                Anyway, congratulations ...
                1. rocket757 21 February 2020 12: 09 New
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                  Hang these cunning, their guys and hangers! There would be a "baby" wider ....
                  1. mat-vey 21 February 2020 12: 23 New
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                    They all screwed up military awards to the status of "pendants" lowered. And this is also far from a plus to education and defense.
                    1. rocket757 21 February 2020 12: 54 New
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                      Not a plus ... but all sorts of different ones like glitters hung everywhere, that's a fact. Not only with us, it is also a fact.
                      In short, those that are all different are the same everywhere.
                    2. mat-vey 21 February 2020 12: 58 New
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                      Well, for shining, there are also all kinds of amnesties if they rely on Th ..
                    3. rocket757 21 February 2020 13: 49 New
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                      Buns are also included, though not always.
  • Finches 21 February 2020 08: 07 New
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    hi Do not confuse professional holidays with pan-army! And this should not be the way you wrote, congratulate everyone, for this New Year exists !!
  • bessmertniy 21 February 2020 06: 35 New
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    In the absence of a purely Men's holiday and in the presence of Women's Day on March 8, the Day of Defenders of the Fatherland is somehow personified with the nonexistent Men's Day. And there is nothing wrong with that. He served or did not serve, but when the Fatherland is in danger, he will have to defend it.

    Happy Holiday, Defenders! For happiness! drinks For health! drinks For our great motherland! drinks
  • Nikolaevich I 21 February 2020 07: 03 New
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    ABOUT ! A very relevant topic! The fact is that I have already said for a long time that only those who have served and are serving in the armed forces have the right to celebrate “Day 23 February”! Well, maybe even "allow" the workers of defense enterprises! And the reason for this opinion was the case when I watched a “young man” drunk in drabadan, “speaking on a city street on February 23rd ... he was inadequate, molested passing girls, swore, reacted aggressively to the comments, shouting that“ today is a man’s holiday and he has the right ... "! But it turned out later that it was not so far from that" event ", he" safely "" slid "away from the army and did not serve! And he was not going to serve! And this is the" defender of the Motherland "? By the way, next to him were a few" copies of the "drunken" youth "(!) ... they supported the cry with cries, but it turned out that they did not serve either! So I get disgusted when I meet such youth, whose creed: "Like drinking vodka, so they are" defenders of the Motherland "; how to serve in the army, so they are "chronically ill" and are not suitable for service "!
    1. Ross xnumx 21 February 2020 07: 32 New
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      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      And the reason for this opinion was the case when I watched a “young man” drunk in drabadan

      And my workmate (who served an emergency) told me about the case when between him and
      The “union leader” had approximately the following dialogue:
      - You, cho, served in the army?
      - Yes, he served, but what?
      - Well, I didn’t find any money - to pay off?
      And how, after all this, should I relate to these “defenders of the Fatherland,” who prefer to pay off their debt? Also congratulate them?
  • Lamata 21 February 2020 07: 03 New
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    Who was not he who will be, will not forget 730 days in boots !!! Although it’s not entirely relevant for the Russian Federation.
    1. DMB 75 21 February 2020 08: 48 New
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      Exactly! Now it’s not 730, but 365 days, and not in boots, but in berets.
      The Soviet Army is a school in which, no matter how you study, they will leave you in the second year. Here you are not here, here you will quickly be taught to love your homeland and you will be taught to disgrace disgrace. smile
      1. Lamata 21 February 2020 10: 06 New
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        We had - weaned disgrace to break. ))))))))))))) laughing And berets of that time 90-92, it’s like a Spanish boot, except for the so-called lightweight.
  • kepmor 21 February 2020 07: 03 New
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    figures from the evil one ...
    61% are taking into account pensioners, who overwhelmingly served in the SA ...
    and if we take the age of up to 45 years, then 25% of those who served did not scrape together ...
    I have all the brothers up to the fourth knee, the army passed and ... not one of a dozen nephews ...
    this is now the generation of defenders we raised, damn it ...
    1. Lamata 21 February 2020 07: 22 New
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      I graduated from school in 1989, Kaz SSR, Alma-Ata, there were 15 boys in the class, I really only served 2 years, I served another sidekick for 1 year, the rest of the orphans and the wretched were)))))
  • Retvizan 8 21 February 2020 07: 23 New
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    He himself served, the Son was recently demobilized, of course, on the 23rd I feel my direct involvement in the holiday.
    On this day, first of all, I congratulate the army team, but also of course worthy men who did not serve, but are potentially “defenders”, too.
    1. Lamata 21 February 2020 07: 51 New
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      And the military women? We have the most beautiful military women !!!!! love
      1. Retvizan 8 21 February 2020 08: 03 New
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        Women military men are required!
      2. Alex_59 21 February 2020 08: 22 New
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        Quote: Lamata
        And the military women?

        In theory, doctors, nurses, and pharmacists should be congratulated: if, God forbid, their work will be one of the most difficult, and without them no army will win.
        1. Lamata 21 February 2020 12: 12 New
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          Nurses too, they have hard and dirty work. My deceased grandmother from December 1941 to May 1945 was a nurse in the hospital.
      3. Lamata 21 February 2020 10: 48 New
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        Who minus the comment. Do you think that women’s military men should not be congratulated or that they are not the most beautiful?
        1. AK1972 21 February 2020 16: 46 New
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          Quote: Lamata
          Who minus the comment. Do you think that women’s military men should not be congratulated or that they are not the most beautiful?

          And here there are, Igor! They minus not only you, and the meaning of these minuses is not clear. they put their horizontal lines under both neutral comments and comments not subject to doubt for a normal person. For example, I noticed that if you write something in the direction of the so-called gay people (although there is a more correct definition for them), you immediately get two minuses. It was repeatedly and there are always two minuses. Based on these statistics, it is not difficult to conclude that the number of representatives of non-traditional orientation on this site is generally pleasing, as percentage below stat. inaccuracies. Unjust minus I will balance my plus.
          Best regards
          1. Lamata 21 February 2020 17: 48 New
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            So about women minus, really stop they are the most leaked.
          2. not main 21 February 2020 22: 28 New
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            I support! And a plus from me.
    2. Voyager 21 February 2020 09: 04 New
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      You are not trying to divide people into "friends" and "strangers." Decent position.
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    When they congratulate me on the 23rd, I say congratulate those who now directly serve, I was a defender in the 80s. And who did not serve, what the hell is it to congratulate them?!, With what? That he slanted safely? Then Zhirinovsky issued an offer - the army was only under contract. And if God forbid it touches? Those who did not serve would be only a burden.
    1. Lamata 21 February 2020 08: 12 New
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      Zhirik, in general, loses respect, his this expedition on Red Square with the distribution of money, disgrace, shame, and so on. who rushed to take. There was not a beggarly people.
    2. Lamata 21 February 2020 08: 13 New
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      They are potential defenders)))) if they die out in the war as the Moscow militia under the Vyazma. ((((
  • salad 21 February 2020 08: 29 New
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    I served 2 years, and now I don’t understand what is being asked today at work they will congratulate everyone who is in our office ,,, 90% do not even know what a kirzachi or a plaque is ,,,
    1. Lamata 21 February 2020 10: 13 New
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      And to show how I wrap my footcloths !!! Well this is some kind of sacred action for such people, or sew the collar. Hem the collar, and we don’t know how, - Nobody knows how, it’s not in skill, nor in desire, and in general in anything, it's in sewing on the collar laughing
      1. salad 21 February 2020 18: 03 New
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        laughing Pts cool quote in topic)))
        1. Lamata 21 February 2020 20: 37 New
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          DMB in general is a very cool film. When he left, I watched him with my fellow students, they did not serve anyone and they were younger than me, they did not understand everything))))) But how do you explain if they did not serve)))) laughing
  • MARANCANO 21 February 2020 08: 38 New
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    I did not serve and never intended to serve. Reason: first, I never absolutely believed that I had some notorious duty there, all the more a debt to someone. The second, chronic skin disease.

    So, to me, as it was all the same for this holiday, so many years later my opinion did not change.

    By the way, among my acquaintances, who nevertheless served - there was not a single one, I emphasize no one a man who would say that the army is something without which a man cannot exist. Also, all, as one, noted the fact that, if there is an opportunity not to serve, it is imperative to use it, because if there is no craving for military service, then no one will ever instill it, and no one will compensate for lost years.

    So, friends, how many people, so many opinions. Under one comb, with his only true opinion will not work ....
    1. 2 Level Advisor 21 February 2020 09: 03 New
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      here they are discussing whether February 23 is a holiday of non-serving, not criminals (yes, stealing from the army is the same as stealing a crime), so don’t scribble .. here it’s not about mowers, but about their right to be called a defender ..
      1. Voyager 21 February 2020 09: 11 New
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        Those who serve may also be criminals. The defendants in the case of Shamsutdinov are the Defenders of the Fatherland?
        1. 2 Level Advisor 21 February 2020 11: 22 New
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          the key word - they can (become) .. and in the case of "mowers", the key word is already (steel) .. Not about this in the comments, Andrey, but about the fact that the holiday of the Defender of the Fatherland is those who defended, he was in the army .. But theoretically .. Theoretically, I also swim, dive, shoot well, use the ARB discharge, jumped with a parachute - I can go to serve in the marines, if Motherland calls .. And now I can celebrate Marines Day or I can only because if I can serve there?
          1. Voyager 21 February 2020 11: 55 New
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            Of course no. But that's what they are - the day of the Airborne Forces, the day of the signalman, and so on ...

            My message in a perfect friend is that all these annual graters on the topic of whom can, Who must not congratulations on this holiday do not lead to anything good. It turns out the opposite: the servants often begin to roughly divide the strong sex into “right” and “not right”, or even worse, into men and not men (see comments above).

            If the first division can be understood, they say, I served, therefore I’m the Defender of the Fatherland, therefore, it’s my holiday, then flaunting this regarding issues of dignity at the sexual level, and for the sole purpose of asserting myself at the expense of others, no one gave me the right.

            So what do we get? He served - well, you guy. But the key question, as you rightly noted, HOW served or HOW I didn’t serve - this is already somehow secondary to the majority.

            Once again, see the example comment below: did not serve? man ...
            Q.E.D. This is not worthy behavior.
            1. Lamata 21 February 2020 12: 15 New
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              Yes, everyone needs to be praised, my son is 11 years old, and I congratulate him, and will serve or not. In any case, I asked him something, said that it will be sure that the great-grandfathers served and fought, the grandfathers served, the pope served, and I will serve.
              1. AK1972 21 February 2020 16: 55 New
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                And I always said to my son - you’re a man and you will serve and I don’t count on you to otmazyvat. Last year, he entered the university, but realized that his specialty was not his and with the same scores he re-entered another university, naturally, he lost the postponement. In the spring, he will go to the troops, his mood for service is good. And those who write: “I owe nothing to anyone” are just a wimp and a coward.
                1. Lamata 21 February 2020 20: 42 New
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                  but as it happens, he owes nothing to anyone, but in his opinion they owe him. No disabled person is not seriously ill, be kind serve. Learn to be a little soldier. Right now, not a CA, serve within the region, control more, mobiles, committees of some mothers, parents come to the oath, resort)))) Yeah.
    2. Victor N 21 February 2020 09: 43 New
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      Every man must be able to protect himself, every man must be able to protect his woman, family, clan, tribe - this is the law of nature and society. A citizen MUST, by definition, protect the state. It is not easy to fulfill all this - it is difficult, not for the weak in body and spirit. This is verified by the military service. Served - man, no - man ... It should be noted only with men.
    3. Lamata 21 February 2020 10: 14 New
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      That way you are correlating with that lady of their Eburg that you said. that the state owes nothing.
  • serg.shishkov2015 21 February 2020 09: 19 New
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    I didn’t serve, they didn’t take it! I see the first line in the checklist without glasses with half a meter with two eyes. It’s fun ,,, but for 12 years at the post office through my hands there have been an unlimited number of parcels to the Sarov Division and VNIIEF, so I am not ashamed for not serving anymore! and all those who served, Happy Holiday !!!
    1. Lamata 21 February 2020 11: 53 New
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      who is in health to those who have a question, Kent really wanted to serve me, well, in the family it’s so common, but they didn’t take the ulcer.
  • Departure 21 February 2020 10: 00 New
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    Citizens, tell me why it was necessary to conduct a survey on the topic "who served and who did not?" The first question is okay, but the second, wasn’t it easier to make a request to the Ministry of Defense? there they would be rolled out full statistics, who, how much, what age and what call ... or is this secret information now? This is better than asking, it is not clear who is not clear where.
    Of course you need to congratulate everyone. If there is a war, then there will be many traitors among those who served and many heroes among those who did not serve, I am sure of this. Any man who is able to keep a machine gun is primarily the defender of his family, and the fatherland begins there, in the family, so why not congratulate his relatives and friends?
  • primaala 21 February 2020 10: 11 New
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    I congratulate YOU men on the Day of the Soviet Army and Navy !!! Ask: why "Soviet" !? Something tells me that men (who served) under the USSR, but due to circumstances (the collapse of the union), still feel involved in the Soviet / Russian Army. And those who today protect the people of Russia, us women, children, the elderly - I especially note their contribution to the service of the people and the country.
    I wish you health (first of all). And be careful. Take care of yourself!!!
    Russia has no friends, and never will be. Because, at the genetic level - who was born within the borders of our country automatically becomes Russian. I am German, but I consider myself Russian. I love Russia. YOU are our back and shoulder, OUR courageous MEN !!!
    (note: husband is a reserve officer. Served as expected.)
    1. Lamata 21 February 2020 10: 51 New
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      hi love Thanks precisely to the sdnom of the Soviet Army and Navy.
      1. primaala 21 February 2020 11: 22 New
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        and thank you for not commenting on my comment. I sincerely worry about the country, and for our men who serve outside the Russian Federation. (I’m reading this site for a long time) and only today I decided to register. I'm a little embarrassed.
        1. Lamata 21 February 2020 11: 55 New
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          There is a respectful and polite attitude towards the ladies, well, perhaps in the heat of the argument they can, but it seems, rarely.
        2. AK1972 21 February 2020 16: 59 New
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          Allochka! Thank you so much for your congratulations !!! You health and all the best! Congratulations on your debut on the site!
          1. primaala 21 February 2020 17: 18 New
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            Thank you !!! )) for a warm welcome. I like to read smart men. But I will be quiet. )))
    2. Finches 21 February 2020 22: 12 New
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      love Alla! All the best!
  • Lamata 21 February 2020 10: 51 New
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    Life without an army is like love in an elastic band. There is movement, no progress (s).
  • Million 21 February 2020 11: 04 New
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    Why a poll? The state does not know how many men served in the army?
    1. Lamata 21 February 2020 12: 18 New
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      Can you imagine, maybe you don’t know)))) Senya watched Russia 24 at dinner, news, it turns out that the average salary in the Russian Federation has grown. scammed up two acquaintances in Rostov about this, they mentally overlaid me.
  • Igor Borisov_2 21 February 2020 11: 09 New
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    He served 25 calendars in the Navy - and on one ship, from lieutenant to captain of 3rd rank (as our teacher said from sperm to senior officer). Now I’m retired and continue to work on the defense capability of our country - a military radio factory. Happy holiday, friends. All the best, health, family well-being and good luck in all endeavors ...........
    1. Lamata 21 February 2020 12: 19 New
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      Maremans always respect !!! It was difficult on iron, but excellent naval humor saved awls. hi
  • faterdom 21 February 2020 17: 06 New
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    Quote: dauria
    And the cadet could be a corporal and even foreman

    Let me disagree. There were no "corporal" in military schools. Generally. No such title was awarded. Private - hereinafter referred to as “ml. Sergeant”. Demoted - again ordinary.
    Most likely due to the fact that there were no posts like "senior cadet" either, com. Dep, castle, foreman of the company - the rest are just cadets.
  • Max Ivanov 21 February 2020 18: 41 New
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    International men's day on November 19, and only a finished slave can celebrate the day of cannon fodder
    1. Lamata 21 February 2020 20: 46 New
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      Um, I do not quite understand. ok 19.11. Artillery Day, the artilleryman himself, and why 23. is that the day of cannon fodder?