Road Wars in Russia: The situation is improving, but victory is far

Speaking at the 3rd World Ministerial Conference on Road Safety, held this week in the capital of Sweden, the head of the Russian Ministry of the Interior, Vladimir Kolokoltsev, explained that road mortality in Russia has decreased over the past decade, and by almost 50%. However, to say that this terrible evil in Russia was managed to end is premature. In traffic accidents, tens of thousands of Russians die annually. What needs to be done in order to minimize this indicator?

According to the minister, a tendency towards a decrease in the number of accidents and the number of their victims was also observed last year: they happened by almost 7% less than in 2018. In comparison with 2009, the number of victims of the “road war” decreased from 26 thousand to less than 17. And this despite the fact that on a global scale, according to the UN, deaths from traffic accidents do not decrease, but, on the contrary, increase. In Russia itself, during this time, by the way, the number of cars tripled. That is, quite real success is evident. But in the “wars on the roads”, victory is still far away. Every human life lost in peacetime due to someone’s reluctance to abide by the rules and the law is already an irreparable loss, and self-consolation with percentages and numbers is hardly appropriate here.

Apparently, the work is still enormous. At the event mentioned above, Kolokoltsev shared with his foreign colleagues an extremely ambitious intention: by 2030, “to reach the zero mortality rate in road accidents”. To achieve such a high standard, domestic law enforcement officials, lawmakers and judges will obviously have to continue on the path of toughening responsibility for unacceptable driver misconduct. First of all, for a “drunk” ride, which, without a doubt, is one of the main causes of road troubles and tragedies.

According to statistics, since the introduction in 2015 of criminal liability for re-driving while intoxicated, the number of riders caught in such irresponsible behavior began to decline in a year or two. And not because the law remained on paper: it just “materializes” in the form of specific prison sentences, and it works. Those who wish to have a criminal record in this way and lose the ability to drive a car are becoming less every year. However, such are still found. In the first half of 2019 alone, more than 27 thousand people responded for driving under the fly. 24 thousand of them were left without a driver’s license. 3 and a half thousand in addition are convicted and imprisoned. A slightly smaller number escaped with suspended sentences. In total, over the past year, judges made “disenfranchised” more than 150 thousand traffic violators. We compare with the statistics of the decrease in road accidents and conclude that the maximum severity in this matter brings excellent results.

Of course, the practice of punishment alone is not enough. It has long been proven that the quality of roads on which they either happen constantly or are an annoying rarity is most directly related to the number of accidents. More good and excellent tracks and highways - fewer accidents. An excellent tool against violators of traffic rules is the widespread introduction of automatic fixation of violations. With an impassioned video camera, you cannot agree “amicably”; you cannot soften it, you cannot deceive it. The questions here are different: that fines should be paid in full by all and always; and also that these fines should be justified, help to warn, and not be used solely to feed those whose accounts receive a portion of the funds. This should happen regardless of persons, positions and so on. The law is either one for all, or it simply does not exist.

Without a doubt, the authorities and law enforcement officers have enough various levers that can have a significant impact on the road situation in the country. Nevertheless, it is worth remembering that putting a police officer on each driver and sticking a video or camera under each tree or bush is completely unrealistic. Road safety begins with each of us - a pedestrian and especially a driver. Well, or it ends with us ... Only an awareness of this life postulate can make Russia a country with low mortality from road accidents.

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[Svarog]

An excellent tool against violators of traffic rules is the widespread introduction of automatic fixation of violations. With an passionless video camera, you don’t agree “amicably”;

A tremendous amount of money runs by the stream from video cameras that record violations .. and I recently found out that this stream is directed into a private pocket .. and could go for the development of road infrastructure ..

[Lamata]

Good morning, whose pocket are they going to? Rumors are rumors and facts?

[Svarog]

And officials found a way out. Why spend budget money, which is constantly in short supply, if you can attract “merchants” to work? So the budget will be replenished, and commercial structures (including those fed by local authorities) will be able to earn.
Most regions are now starting to work under this scheme. Businessmen conclude contracts with the authorities for the equipment of roads with complexes for fixing violations - both stationary and mobile, as well as for their maintenance. And from each issued fine they receive a certain amount.
In the same Moscow region, the MVS Group company, which concluded a state contract, will put 233 rubles in its pocket with each penalty receipt. Moreover, regardless of how much the fine is framed.
Considering that this company, under the terms of the agreement, plans to establish a thousand complexes, each of which daily “receives” hundreds of violators, the fees received by the “merchants” are impressive - about 23 million rubles a day. Even if half of these funds will

Each region has its own owner, but as a rule, the owner is a person close to the leadership of the region or controlled ..
https://www.zr.ru/content/articles/909390-dokhodnoe-mesto/
https://bankstoday.net/last-articles/dorozhnye-kamery-komu-prinadlezhat-i-kakie-narusheniya-fiksiruyut

[Lamata]

And so it was in Italy and is.

[Stas157]

road deaths in Russia have decreased over the past decade, and significantly ...
... According to the minister, the tendency to reduce the number of accidents and the number of their victims was observed last year: they happened by almost 7% less. ... And this despite the fact that globally, according to the UN, mortality from traffic accidents is not decreasing, but, on the contrary, is increasing. In Russia itself, during this time, by the way, the number of cars tripled. That is quite obvious real success.

Well, it’s necessary, what a rainbow picture, according to the author, they’re growing there, but ours is falling. I have recently been very wary of presenting information, especially in such a bravura tone. But where is Russia really located? I looked. It turned out at the level of Honduras and Nigeria. But in the UK, Sweden and Germany, road deaths are 5-6 times lower.

Indeed, real success is in Belarus, where the mortality rate on the roads is two times lower and the quality of the roads is higher than in Russia. This is despite the fact that economically Russia is a more developed country. It has also been observed that this indicator (road deaths) is the highest in countries with low living standards.

[Andrey VOV]

Firstly, there is no point in comparing the population of Belarus and Russia as well as the length of the roads, plus Belarus inherited good roads from the USSR, they invested a lot then, plus initially there were draconian fines in Belarus

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Svarog

Each region has its own owner, but as a rule, the owner is a person close to the leadership of the region or controlled ..

Developed capitalism is everywhere not only in Russia. Roads and traffic on them, profit.

[rocket757]

Quote: Svarog

and I recently found out

Vladimir but where and how do they run?
The concept of "private pocket" is too vague.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: rocket757

Vladimir, but where and how do they run?
The concept of "private pocket" is too vague.

Victor! This is a public-private partnership program. A private company buys cameras, then passes them to the state-wu, and in turn gives the company 223 rubles from each fine !!! Voila, in the face of a conflict of interest, if you look at what is in the founders of these companies, these are usually former cops, their wives, children, etc.
Look, it will be useful for you., In the video everything is intelligibly told.

[rocket757]

Welcome
Everything is known with these cameras, a familiar thing ...
There are violations there and people begin to react correctly / reasonably ...
Those. they don’t go with the fists of the right to download, but immediately a slander, for any violations. So you can at least achieve something.
Now, from the signs of speed reduction, they began to remove the radar at the required distance and put warning signs!
In the wilderness, from where they can’t get anywhere, they can, they can do what they want, or where the cops cover ... and so, beat them with their own weapons, by law.
They want ... by law, it will be them LAW.
Of course, our laws are largely against ... and they play for the "guardsmen", but a systematic siege always brings its results.
In principle, this cannot fix the system, but many "nishtyaks" can still be broken off.
So far so ... and we'll see.
And yet, it is NECESSARY to observe traffic rules, it is vital! Just everyone complied.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

Those. they don’t go with the fists of the right to download, but immediately a slander, for any violations. So you can at least achieve something.

Everything is civilized, got on camera with a violation, immediately a summons for a fine, payment within 10 days. Not paid, to the court. And this is another money. And most importantly, silently, without screaming and nerves.

[rocket757]

Quote: tihonmarine

Everything is civilized, got on camera with a violation, immediately a summons for a fine, payment within 10 days. Not paid, to the court. And this is another money. And most importantly, silently, without screaming and nerves.

This is understandable, reasonable .... the question is simple, these "catchers" should not hide anywhere, they should not place cameras immediately behind the signs and should display warning signs "video recording is in progress" ... we have more or less taught them to this. At first, the chaos was complete.
And the rules, all the same, must be observed. This saves / saves from many troubles, from fatal ones too.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

the question is simple, these "catchers" should not hide anywhere,

Well, in Europe it’s already been like that for a long time, there are no more catchers, everywhere the cameras are hanging.

[rocket757]

We also hang out ... a good 2GIS navigator, camera installation locations are quickly apparent. Even mobile, deployed in certain places, are indicated.
They have equipment and we have technology.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

They have equipment and we have technology.

Everything will come to a common denominator. Not everything is done right away.

[balunn]

Well, let's figure it in whose pocket.
There is a camera on the road, with a camera, a car and a car with a certain man. The camera records a violation of the excess of +21 km and gives a fine of 500 rubles. When paying a fine with a 50 percent discount, 250 rubles remain. Now the question. How much money does the state get with a fine of 250 rubles?

[rocket757]

Fines are passed through official channels, resolutions are issued by state inspection bodies, which means the state has its own "pretty penny" from this.

[siberalt]

Correctly writes the author. It is scary to drive sober on such roads.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: siberalt

It is scary to drive sober on such roads.

Clever idea, stopped riding for 20 years, walking is much safer.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Svarog

and I recently found out that this stream is directed into a private pocket ..

Separate laws and changes are pushed for that. This is called lobbying for commercial interests. And the cameras on the road? Well legalized this trifle corruption, what has changed? The double solid under the ice and stuff both fed individual citizens, and continue (but already with a 10-fold risk premium) to feed individual dishonest citizens in uniform.

[g1washntwn]

Plato - an attempt to save Russian Railways by raising the cost of road transport, well, just indicated by a cherry.

[Stas157]

Quote: g1washntwn

Plato - an attempt to save Russian Railways by raising the cost of road transport

To save Russian Railways should trucking suffer? Strange setting! Isn't it better to reform something in Russian Railways, to change the leadership, for example?

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Stas157

Isn't it better to reform something in Russian Railways

Not our way. Prohibitive measures are simpler and rich. It is necessary (supposedly) to fight for the environment - they took the utilization of MSW out of the formula for the limit index of housing and communal services and raised the tariffs by 10 times. And in fact - even now, at least a little later, I can post a photo of a trash can near my house where new containers (obviously not cheap) and in 4 days of non-delivery, a bunch of packages have already crumbled for travel. How much of this "ecological" scam will leak out of there, one can only guess. Repair funds and their distribution have long been a "black hole", even photons do not return from there. So here it is the same - first they raise the prices, then the retirement age and then suddenly it turns out "as always" and "you hold on."

[Gene84]

Quote: Stroporez

So, comrades, only business and nothing personal

The operator of the Platon system is RT-Invest Transport Systems (RTITS), 23,5% of which is owned by Igor Rotenberg, 50% is owned by RT-Invest, in which the state-owned corporation Rostec owns a 25% stake. (According to an extract from the Unified State Register of Legal Entities, the founders of RT-Invest Transport Systems LLC are: Rotenberg Igor Arkadevich - 23,5%, JSC RT-Invest - 50%, Shipelov Andrey Evgenievich - 19%, Zamkov Anton Sergeevich - 7,5% .

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

To reduce the number of accidents and the severity of the consequences, you need to build good roads, where not 7 meters wide roadway, but at least 10 with separation of oncoming traffic, but there is no money

[Alex_59]

Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep

To reduce the number of accidents and the severity of the consequences, you need to build good roads, where not 7 meters wide roadway, but at least 10 with separation of oncoming traffic, but there is no money

No need to deny the obvious, everything is under construction, the only problem is that you want more and faster.
Until 2005, in my city there was not a single two-level interchange, and there was only one road with a split flow, 6 km long - it was also called "America's five minutes". And this is to the regional center with a population of 1 million. Now we have more than 250 kilometers of such roads, more than 20 two-level junctions.
Much is being done in the country too - this is evident. Don track has changed beyond recognition, on the Volga track has become much cooler.

[Lamata]

Highways, yes, but in the same Rostov on the Don, the guard often happens. My ex-wife, because of a bad rain storm, and in the city center, flooded the car 4 times, so even the algorithm of actions was worked out to automatism.

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

It’s being built there in the West, federal roads in our region are also being built and repaired, but it’s worth leaving the federal highways; put out the lights, drain the water, we have a dead end city, the highway killed 246 kilometers to the nearest large city, they repair 5 kilometers a year, where they repaired about 6 years ago, it’s no longer possible to travel, but it’s profitable for officials, an endless cash flow

[Alex_59]

Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep

our city is a dead end, to the nearest large city 246 kilometers the highway, all killed by timber trucks, is repaired by 5 kilometers per year

Wow, what kind of Magadan do you have?
With the fact that in the far corners of the problems a lot - I agree.
In our "west", of course, you turned it abruptly, the Urals are not very west, although if you are to the east, then yes.

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

Not Magadan, but the city of Ust-Ilimsk of the Irkutsk Region, open the map and see the nearest city of Bratsk, the road is one, in a deplorable state, although in winter it is even less, thanks to Grandfather Moroz, although he repairs the road well)

[Alex_59]

Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep

and the city of Ust-Ilimsk, Irkutsk region, open the map and see the nearest city of Bratsk, the road is one, in a deplorable state, although even less in winter, thanks to Grandfather Moroz, although he repairs the road well)

Yes, not close. I was not further east than Ekat, but I guess what you might have there. I have long dreamed of driving in your direction on vacation, but it still doesn't work out. Of course, the state of the Don track will hardly warm your soul, your truth.

[ssergey1978]

I did not remember the condition of the roads in Ust-Ilim once, but in Irkutsk, roads are being actively built, wide roads are well-lit. And for example, in Ulyanovsk, the carcasses of the road are light. Narrow, lighting rubbish.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Alex_59

. The Don track was transformed beyond recognition

Let's talk in more detail about the Don route.
The second moment, it’s no secret to anyone that the roads in Russia are the most expensive, but at the same time the most low-quality in the world! Why build roads if they are not later repaired or remodeled? This is the basic law of road construction in the Russian Federation.
Roads in the Russian Federation are being built by "CORRUPTION". There will be no corruption, there will be no roads, "Why build something that cannot be stolen from ?!" This applies to all economic life in the country. Corruption (embezzlement) is the main bond of the current government and its "national" idea.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Stroporez

Let's talk in more detail about the Don route.

What's wrong? From Rostov to Krasnodar, the paid plot is generally fantastic. In the Rostov area, of course, congestion, but what to do? To the north it’s normal again, tumble into your pleasure. I went in October for the last time.

Quote: Stroporez

Corruption (embezzlement) is the main bond of the current government and its "national" idea.

I agree with that. True, they are deliberately not laid all the same in what to repair then again and again, all the same, for observing the SNIPs they are blamed for the delivery of objects, so there the corruption scheme is not built on this, but stupidly overstated estimates. They will do it. But expensive, because kickbacks.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Alex_59

From Rostov to Krasnodar, the paid plot is generally fantastic. In the Rostov area, of course, congestion, but what to do? To the north it’s normal again, tumble into your pleasure. I went in October for the last time.

Did you hear anything about the village of Losevo? Last summer, stay in the direction of Mokvastan for 7-10 hours. Is this normal? I traveled this traffic jam for 50 km in fields and meadows, the car allows. And the local boys on mopeds are awesome business)))
Further, what right did the state have to transfer the road to the fed. meanings in private hands with well-known names? Voronezh, Tula, Moscow region is a commercial hell !!! Tolls for a lousy road every 10-20 km !!! Of the infrastructure, there are only parashes of the "point" type, which are dangerous to approach, so motorists relieve themselves of nearby plants. Refueling especially close to the Crimea is not common, and the price tags for a convoy at gas stations are simply HORSE!
I didn’t want to say, but I’ll say that in a decaying geyropka, things with roads and road infrastructure are much better, hence mortality and injuries are much lower !!!!
PS. I offer our road services to dissolve to hell, hire Finns or Chinese and they will build everything for us cheaply, quickly, efficiently and with a guarantee! Or the authorities need to stop stealing.

[Alex_59]

Quote: Stroporez

Have you heard anything about the village of Losevo? Last summer, in the direction of Mokvastan, put the car down for 7-10 hours. Is this normal?

Mmmm .... it’s very strange to complain about the fact that the road is being built, it seems that we are demanding that we build faster and faster? Corks are inevitable during the construction period. We, in Perm, also had a joke - bypassing Lobanovo on the R-242 highway. Adjusted for local scales - stood for 2-3 hours. Two years. So what? Now no one remembers this already. I drove to the cottage (40km) then 3,5 hours and now 45 minutes.
And from the Don highway I am leaving for Belaya Kalitva, so Losevo didn’t interfere with my life
But by the way, Volgograd is a pain. Tell someone already to the governor of the Volgograd region that the Nazis are defeated, there is no need to be afraid to repair the asphalt, it is already possible.

Quote: Stroporez

Voronezh, Tula, Moscow region is a commercial hell !!!

I can not say for this - I did not go.

Refueling is especially close to the Crimea are not often found, and the price tags on the junction at the gas station is simply KONSKY!

Find me a gas station where the price tags are not horseback? This is greetings to Lukoil and Rosneft, where do the road workers come from? I don’t buy anything from them except gasoline, why to encourage such impudence.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Alex_59

Mmmm .... it’s very strange to complain about the fact that the road is being built, it seems that we are demanding that we build faster and faster? Corks are inevitable during the construction period.

I repeat again, the state did not have the right to give the fed. private track !!! We pay considerable taxes on the roads, so let the state fulfill its obligations, but this same story as with the VF and overhaul, raised money, but no one stole it because. And private traders should build backups for their money and no other way !!!

[Lexus]

I repeat again, the state did not have the right to give the fed. private track !!!

Colleague, the so-called "state" "had" everyone, that's why it happens. AOZT "RF" has its own "concepts", so why be surprised?

[Salty]

Quote: lexus

the so-called "state" of all "had its own" concepts "

Are you always so disappointed, or just before the weekend? There are good specialists, I can recommend you, if necessary.

[Lexus]

Crawling to me with a stupid flood is a bad idea. Return to the "bathhouse" to your "Major Bulldog". And, yes ... your "experts" did not help you.

[Salty]

That is, your own flood seems smart to you. Clear. I have not in vain mentioned the existing specialists, but this is clearly not a job for them.

[Andrey VOV]

It’s a normal road to Moscow along the M4 .. but for some reason they didn’t say the reason for the traffic jam, and the traffic jam that they BUILD the road and this year there is no longer a congestion, so it’s enough to take out the context and palm off the fried pseudo-facts, and cost, buy a transponder and calmly and it’s not unprofitable and he fights off a fly

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Andrey VOV

It’s a normal road to Moscow along the M4 .. but for some reason they didn’t say the reason for the traffic jam, but the traffic jam is BUILDING

Build? Building is in your sore imagination, because BUILD and expand are two different things.

Quote: Andrey VOV

and the cost, buy a transponder and calmly and not expensive, and he fights off a fly

In your phrase the keyword BUY !!! Why should I first, having paid TN, buy the right to move around my country from the state, and then buy the same right from some Rottenbergs there? Soon I won’t be able to go to the forest, to the river for free, and then to breathe, and what should I buy a transponder, a forest transponder, an air transponder for all this ???
If you use the highway for your own business, then you will take away both the fee and the transponder at the expense of the end consumer, and I go on business with no commerce, therefore any fees made from my pocket will never "be recouped" and this is an additional tax on me like a citizen!
So do you understand?

[Andrey VOV]

Wipe the splashes from the screen, I go to work, to relatives, every day, if you are a huckster working person, then there’s nothing to talk to you about, And the extension of the road, what’s not building? Remove layers. Remove the half, everything is new at the end of the year, the M4 understudy in the Lipetsk region was removed to the ground, laid everything down again, expanded, the chippers put up the marking, this is not a construction site ??

[Gene84]

Quote: Andrey VOV

And the expansion of the road, is that not a construction site?

One of the reasons for poor roads is an outdated regulatory framework that does not allow road companies to use modern technologies in construction. Funds are allocated annually, but the companies that won the right to repair roads are not involved in improving roads, but simply copying European standards that are not suitable for Russian conditions. Do not forget about corruption in the construction of roads, which reaches 10-15% of the estimate. There are many problems, and a violation of technology, and not high-quality coverage, and inadequate maintenance of roads.

[Stas157]

Quote: Andrey VOV

You're lyingnormal road

Quote: Andrey VOV

stop taking it out of context and palm off fried pseudo-facts

Quote: Andrey VOV

Wipe off splashes from the screen

Quote: Andrey VOV

there’s nothing more to talk about with you

Well, how is it to have a quiet conversation with such people? With foam of mouth he proves that everything is fine in terms of roads and he personally is completely satisfied! The poor statistics about the quality of our roads and their quantity, this gentleman, safely ignores.

Quote: Andrey VOV

And the extension of the road is what not building“remove the layers. remove the half-layer, put everything in a new way?” at the end of the year, the M4 understudy in the Lipetsk region was removed to the base, again they were laid down, expanded, the bumpers set up and marking,is this not a construction site ??calm down

No, this is not a new road construction site. This is a repair of the old. And let's yourself calm down already. OK?

[Andrey VOV]

With you dear, I didn’t have a discussion. So don’t get stuck in with your five kopecks, yes, where I drive the roads are really good, but in the neighboring region the death is to the German invaders, I don’t say that EVERYTHING is good everywhere, read carefully and if they don’t speak with you, be silent aside, in a decent society they will beat for such a person

[Stas157]

Quote: Andrey VOV

don't get stuck

Quote: Andrey VOV

keep silent aside

If you do not want to be read, much less answered, write in a personal message, not in a public forum.

Quote: Andrey VOV

they beat for such a face

Offended?))) You try to write more delicately, I assure you, the effect will be different.

[Andrey VOV]

For a long time, I haven’t been offended by anyone for a long time, because it’s said, they carry water on offended ones.

[rocket757]

Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep

To reduce the number of accidents and the severity of the consequences, you need to build good roads, where not 7 meters wide roadway, but at least 10 with separation of oncoming traffic, but there is no money

Everything, of course, you just want it! But besides the fact that "there is no money, but you ..." is clear, this is not possible everywhere, for objective reasons.
We have enough incidents in settlements! and there are signs and cameras, and just control on the roads is much higher ...
In general, we ourselves, ourselves, are organizing "genocide" in relation to our fellow citizens.
Any stick has TWO ENDS!

[Lexus]

Hello, hello!
In Ryazan, for example, the roads are not cleaned at all for the second winter. Snow falls, melts, slush forms, it breaks down to pits, where even at 30 km / h it is not a problem to fly over the ice to the oncoming lane. Trolleybuses are beating! Republican highways seemed to be bombed yesterday. You can try to blame yourself as much as you like, but it won't make it easier and safer. Is it because the "responsible" persons are slowly changing to helicopters, and we are singing tales that everything is fine with the roads, and "they are bad because the population walks in cheap Chinese shoes and washes the road surface."

No need to listen to the crooks - for them to tell the truth is equivalent to confessing to a crime. Therefore, anyone else is always to blame, but not they.

"Freemasons explain to the contractor how to repair the road", painting, Vasya Lozhkin (Alexey Vladimirovich Kudelin), Wonderful People's Artist

"The speed hasn't killed anyone yet. The sudden stop ... that's what kills." (C) Jeremy Clarkson

[rocket757]

Alex, welcome
For some time we were lucky with the governor, with winters too, but his efforts are still noticeable.
Paradise and order did not come, but he still keeps the mayors and others in good shape.
Every day, in the morning, I go to work in the city and I see that the roads are cleaned, sand is sprinkled, and this is very convenient when the car is not winter tires. A couple of times I had to change to a cornfield, because it was shod in the winter, on spikes.
Of course, there are enough pits, but they are patching as they can, and the center streets are being repaired as they should.
In general, it all depends on the "owner"! We were finally lucky.
Here is a wish - Schaub was sent to everyone \ chosen, a normal governor!

[Lexus]

Vit, everything should obey not the "master" with "concepts", but order. I am often advised to change the car, to which I say that we all need to change the "car". On the one in which there is no place for thieving "friends" and hangers-on. And then everything will be fine.

[rocket757]

It's right. Ideally \ we want to have such a system of power \ control, Schaub it worked as it should, in the interests of ALL of US and no one entering could break it, change it ... interesno, and it happens?

[Lexus]

Vitya, it happens - the Scandinavians and the Swiss are a good example of "right". So it should be with us.

[rocket757]

If nobody attacked our country for a couple of centuries !!! a mustache could settle down ...

[Lexus]

The Germans have lost a bunch of wars, and they live not better than us. Why? Because they do not believe in the "tsar", but in themselves, and they are very harshly asked from their chosen ones, not allowing them to fence off the FSO and other National Guards.

[rocket757]

The reason, as always, is not the only one.
Dimensions, mentality, isolation and BARBARA WE ARE ASIANS, to a large extent ... etc.
PS ... by the way, "it could settle down" is not a statement as a possible option.

[Stas157]

You are right, the number of accidents directly depends on the quality of roads and road conditions (and not on traffic rules). On a toll road from Moscow to St. Petersburg, the number of accidents is as much as 20 times lower than on other roads.

[_Sergei_]

It mainly depends on the fool behind the wheel.

[_Sergei_]

Very often I go along the highway Barnaul - Rubtsovsk. Previously, I observed up to seven accidents in one trip, but now it’s rarely when they come across. I don’t drive myself. Speed ​​not more than 120 on the highway. The first car appeared in 1985. So there is nothing to compare.

[Zaurbek]

Safety depends on the roads and on the discipline on them and on the fact that these roads drive. To have an accident on Vaz2106, Loda Vesta, FordFokus and Ford Explorer - the consequences will be different ..... and in different countries these cars are available for the same segments of the population.

[g1washntwn]

The wagon on the highway is absolutely purple, who rushes at it in the opposite lane. And from the "bucket", and from the "Explorer" with passengers will remain pieces no larger than a microwave. No car guarantees anything, but can only slightly and slightly increase the chance of survival. YouTube to help with examples.

[Zaurbek]

And here it is not .... survival is different.

[g1washntwn]

"Chance of survival" is the keyword "chance" - that is, probability theory and miracle, if you will. This has an extremely negative effect on the number of accidents, imaginary immortality psychologically relaxes and smoothes the cerebral cortex, and if there was more of a billiard ball before going to the oncoming lane or red, no angels will help.

[Zaurbek]

There are laws of physics and deformations of different designs .... and statistics. And progress in security systems and you won’t get anywhere.

[fraders]

from a collision with a heavy truck, at a speed of more than 80, no security system can save, and if in a hundred, a continuous deformation zone will be up to the middle of the back door, and it’s absolutely violet how many pillows were opened upon impact and how the preloaded belts worked, it doesn’t kill speed, and a sharp stop, people do not drive on the roads

[Zaurbek]

Look at the statistics .... Bulk cargoes are not the biggest% of the danger of death in the oncoming impact ..... but systems may not allow this to be done.

[g1washntwn]

Can you spend a free webinar on controlled deformation of body elements?
Remedies and technology are needed AFTER the manifestation of human stupidity and inattention in order to save his life. I’m talking about the reason, you are about eliminating the consequences. As you still explain ... the smart one will not put his fingers in the socket to check whether it is dangerous or not even with dielectric gloves, and a disciplined driver will not violate to check the effectiveness of the airbags and icons on the dashboard.

[Zaurbek]

I have enough seminars by profession ... I taught Sapromat, but this is not a subject that specializes in my profession. But it seems to me that in modern cars this moment is more progressive than not in modern ones. And in a larger modern car, it is better than in a smaller one .... and that the lane retention system, for example, reduces the chance of getting into the forehead ... and that you have to fasten your seat belt in a car with an airbag.
I drive a lot myself at work and see everything and everyone.

[balunn]

Safety should still be in the heads of not only those. Who is driving, but also those who are on the road. At us, as a rule, everything is blamed on the driver. As for cars, Europe is full of old rids. They are certainly not as rotten as ours, but no one canceled the concept of metal fatigue

[g1washntwn]

Good roads are expensive. Everything is solved much simpler with us - the restriction sign and the camera in the bushes - this also replenishes the pocket.
Deprivation of rights does not stop relapse. Only the absence of the vehicle will not allow you to break it again. 30tyr - for some it is a laugh and not a punishment, besides "not caught - not a thief" still works, even the DPS base for such vehicles does not really help.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: g1washntwn

Deprivation does not stop relapse.

In a country living according to "concepts" imposed by criminal structures, to talk about some order ...
In some countries, for driving a vehicle without a certificate (in case of deprivation of rights), even if it did not cause an accident, you can sit for a long time and work for the good of the Fatherland for free:

Spain.
If you forget your rights, the Spanish police will fine you for approximately 500 euros. But if you dare to drive when you were forbidden to do so for violation of the SDA, then imprisonment for six months will become quite real.
France.
Offenders who decide to drive without a license are treated strictly, fines of up to 15 euros. If the offense was committed with aggravating circumstances, for example, the driver was drunk or arguing with the police, or this misconduct is not the first, then you can earn even a year in prison.

For those who can forget the rights of the house (lovers), a duplicate certified by a notary who is grunting in the car is possible, so that the traffic police can make sure that the driver has the right to drive a car, and his forgetfulness associated with major circumstances (deliver a woman in a maternity hospital, a patient to a hospital, etc.) is not intentional.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: ROSS 42

not intentional

Evidence of intent is the most controversial and more often at the discretion of the Court. But the dpsnik is generally not interested in the reasons; he records the fact of the absence of the required documents and that’s all. Though give birth.

[Alex66]

For order on the roads, you need to remove untouchable drivers who are not fined, some have hundreds and continue to drive, others have no rights, they are not afraid to drive (relatives will refuse) Why for people like Bogdasaryan and Shamsuarov there is no responsibility, but that which is not enough?

[balunn]

In normal countries, if a person constantly commits violations, then the question of his sanity is raised. There, rights can quickly become invalid.

[rocket757]

Road Wars in Russia: The situation is improving, but victory is far

In some places, some roads become better, the infrastructure improves! But before the present, EVERYTHING IS GOOD, EVERYTHING SO AS WELL, is very far away!
Arriving \ ur \ kov on the roads becomes ... yes, they are full! Rarely does a day pass without meeting a "driver" in different stages of frostbite.
This "war" has no end in sight.

[Forget]

I see their only means of reducing accidents is to toughen the punishment for violations, the widespread installation of all kinds of cameras and automation ... As Goethe said, “if we treat people the way they want to be, we will bring them where we should lead them.” I assure you people want to go to good ...

[Pessimist22]

In Kazakhstan, this year, for driving under the influence of alcohol, deprivation of rights for 7 years, for accidents with moderate injuries, a fine of about $ 7000, well, relapse and increased severity, real term and fine of about $ 20000.

[Lamata]

That you are somewhat mistaken, apply a fine to someone to whom adm arrest cannot apply, Art. 608 of the Administrative Code of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

[Ross xnumx]

Safety on the road begins with each of us - a pedestrian and especially a driver. Well, or it ends with us ...

I was convinced of this just yesterday, switching the lower Boulevard of Builders to the green traffic light when an Yandex taxi ran in the middle of the road to the "red". Due to addictions and some transition rules, I concluded that in this situation (if I neglected these rules), road safety could only affect me, with moderate and not very serious injuries.
Therefore, I believe that only a progressive and mandatory system of punishment for all can exclude "tricks" on the roads of "reckless drivers" and "majors" ...

[Lamata]

Vodyatly buses also often baig.

[g1washntwn]

"Minibus drivers are so harsh that they slow down at stops for disembarking passengers up to only 60 km / h"

[Lamata]

exaggerated, but there)))) and often do not know the name of the stops

[Sergey Averchenkov]

The topic is topical ... I don’t know if youth, adrenaline, or something else is there ... I’m not a young man, I drive carefully - for about seven or eight years no one has been slowing me down and there are no fines. It’s true that I travel a little, I have 2 stops before work - it’s easier on foot or by bus, from work I always walk - downhill :). And the roads have become a million times better compared to the 90s. If anything, right from the 85th year.

[samarin1969]

Mr. Kolokoltsev needs to restore order with his subordinates:
1) The law is the same for everyone without any "concepts"
2) Ban on the "war of business cards" after an accident
3) The most Jesuit measures against "let's agree, captain."

And the driving culture should be. If you believe the driving network communities, then - all "deer", and "normal Schumachers" and have nowhere to frolic.

[Podvodnik]

Ministry of the Interior Vladimir Kolokoltsev explained that mortality on roads in Russia has decreased over the past decade, and significantly - by almost 50%

Well, I do not believe it! I do not believe! So many times they lied from the TV screens, that even if they tell the truth, I won’t believe it. This is creepy. Authority is earned over the years, and is lost instantly. I often read a fairy tale about a shepherdess to my children before going to bed. The moral is simple: you lie a few times, they will not believe.
Yes, I am a driver, I notice changes in behavior on the roads. They started letting in more often, saying "thank you" in response to politeness. But who shot down Prokurorov to death? Deprived of the driver's license, who got behind the wheel drunk. What to do with such? For some reason the word "hang up" comes to me. Almost every day there are reports of major accidents with several dead. And then a reduction in mortality?
Something has rotted in our kingdom.
And about mortality, so how to count. If you died on the way to the ambulance or the next day in the hospital, is it because of what?
And the cameras do not send letters themselves. Everyone should be equal before the law. I do not see this. And therefore I do not believe.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Podvodnik

Something has rotted in our kingdom.

In our "kingdom" the "king" eyes "swam". In the sense, they are "blotted out". Most of the drivers on the roads, both professionals and amateurs, are adequate, polite and kind people who do not suffer from the mania "who is not in the car is the one." Many familiar drivers, often meet those who see icy roads on the road. brakes before moving in advance, making it clear that he is not trying to bring down a pensioner who has left the store.
It is these academics of safe riding that suffer the most from riders on the road. I don’t know who should understand there, but a person who has hundreds of violations, unpaid fines and repeated detention (sometimes after deprivation of rights) for drunk driving just needs to be transferred to the “pedestrian” category for life.
That is why, because the state is interested in lobbying the interests of sellers and only selling cars, spare parts and gasoline, and road safety consists only in collecting fines from “suffered” and “suckers”, the situation with accidents and road booms in a positive aspect will not be allowed.
There is no interest in this.
And only the directors of the series believe in honest traffic police officers who receive for their creations a very “decent” (higher than the regional average) wage ...

[Podvodnik]

An example from life: a man was driving home, drunk. He was in a bad mood. Two "representatives" slowed him down. Agreed. I gave the received salary (I worked as a welder) and plasma from the back seat (transported). He was released. After a while I "caught" a birch. For some reason, at a bend in the road, I drove straight. Passenger, 42 years old, died. He has scratches. Two girls were left without a mother. Wouldn't you agree?

[GRIGORIY76]

I believe that another factor in mortality is the safety of cars running on our roads.
I was surprised to learn that the airbag has been installed on Niva cars only since 2020, and that it is not in the steering wheel, but on the side of the driver. How many classics are still in use?
It should be prohibited to sell cars without 2 front airbags.

[polar fox]

Quote: GRIGORIY76

And how many classics are still in use?

This is due to the fact that, thanks to the efforts of the "guarantor", 25 high-tech jobs with high wages have been created in the country! And about the pillows ... I watched a couple of times how they worked on the go on the Samara "highways" ... the drivers had fun .. .and the BMW X6 did not work ... the car turned over, the woman turned the flippers (however, later it turned out from the horse dose of coke). Moscow, with the purchased rights.

[GRIGORIY76]

The fact that the last 20 years is a time of missed opportunities I agree.
Nevertheless, modern cars are much safer because equipped with both active and passive security systems.
In my car, even the hood should shoot back to make it "more comfortable" for a pedestrian to fall.

[Glory1974]

It should be prohibited to sell cars without 2 front airbags.

Yes, so that in the event of an accident, how alive they sat.
And it’s better, especially for Russia, to develop a car based on a light tank.

[BAI]

downward trend in accidents

I've been out of traffic accidents for a long time (pah, pah, pah). But yesterday, in the trolley in which I was driving, a minibus got used to. No one was hurt, but the crash lane was interrupted.

[Ros 56]

Mortality on the roads can be reduced very strongly if the entire intercity of federal significance is done with a physical dividing strip that does not allow exit to the oncoming lane. True money is needed crazy. But introducing this by law is simply necessary and to begin with, at least on newly designed routes.

[Glory1974]

make with a physical dividing strip that does not allow exit to the oncoming lane. True money is needed crazy.

If you do not take into account Colonels Zakharchenkov and Cherkalin, who could finance this process, we can turn to foreign experience.
On YouTube, I saw that in Korea they pull a cable, put plastic "barrels" on the cable. When the car hits, the barrels on the cable are damped, and rotating around their axis gently return the car to the lane. Of course, it works at reasonable speeds. I don't think it's prohibitively expensive.

[Ros 56]

Yes, even so, the main thing is that they do not meet foreheads, because the accidents are terrible, with almost no chance of survival.

[Essex62]

Drunk driving - a potential killer and the punishment should be the most severe.
Video cameras are a source of profit. In Moscow, already on every pillar and in combination with the "correctly" applied markings, when it is practically impossible to avoid a violation, they bring huge profits to the Moscow authorities. The money goes to "improvement", it seems that every square meter has been covered with tiles. m. And who supplies this tile? And parking is generally a concentration camp. You cannot stop for 5 minutes; in the first seconds of the 6th, a penalty of five sput arrives. It's cheaper to park under the sign. Everything goes under the motto "left by car - pay a bribe"

[prior]

The authorities "hammered" on the people - the people "hammered" on the traffic rules.
Read grandfather Krylov ....

[Lamata]

And the creatures of special subjects also contribute to the nightmare on the roads. I have come across more than once.

[Million]

sticking a video or camera under each tree or bush is completely unrealistic

This is the case now. Until not under every bush, but it’s coming to that. How much money comes to the budget from this! And they don’t give a damn about security!

[75 Sergey]

Out of 250 rubles from the camera, 239 go to a private trader! I’m ready to pay the state, but there’s no rubbish to private owners!

[Glory1974]

Out of 250 rubles from the camera, 239 go to a private trader!

What a game !?
And where is the 13% tax? Or are there other rules?

[75 Sergey]

What, did you step on a sick mazol? You messed the boy with the "salary" tax.
But yes, 239 is dirty.

[Glory1974]

You messed the boy with the "salary" tax.

Income tax, no difference salary or business 13%

[Beringovsky]

Yes there.
Most of our roads are generally of poor quality, and there are many of those that are simply dangerous to drive on.
And so what a misfortune with spare parts going on - this is generally beyond. Here both counterfeit and extremely poor quality products. A seized hub bearing can easily cause an accident. And the state seems to have completely removed itself from control over this, even if the ordinary citizen is responsible for everything.
I do not need such a self-withdrawing "state".

[Lamata]

and the Russian Federation systematically reduces the social functions of the state, while constantly trying to increase the tax burden on the population, not banks and oil and gas cats.

[Beringovsky]

It is not "RF" who is cutting back, it is Putin and his company of partners who are cutting off.
In general, it would be high time to move away from such phrases as "why WE ...", "why US ...". Who are "WE"? Personally, I did not cut social services and did not introduce new taxes. I think you too. Such imposed "we" serve to erode the responsibility of the authorities. This is wrong, you must agree that it is better to call things by their proper names.

[Charik]

as robbers in ancient times dealt with requisitions on the roads, some employees continue their work, and even fabricate false accusations

[iouris]

Quote: Apparently, the work has yet to be colossal. At the aforementioned event, Kolokoltsev shared with his foreign colleagues an extremely ambitious intention: “to reach zero mortality rate in road accidents by 2030”. The end of the quote.
This is an unscientific approach. NOTHING depends on Kolokoltsev. It has long been proven (60 years ago) that the death rate on the roads is determined by the level of motorization of the population. If the level of motorization grows naturally (as the level and quality of life of the population rises), then mortality naturally tends to the "zero indicator". This is a sociological law. Hence the conclusion: during a period of systemic economic crisis, the task set by citizen Kolokoltsev is unattainable, but if he knows that the standard of living of Russians will grow at an outstripping pace, then this is good (very good, long-awaited) news. However, it could have been reported not only to Kolokoltsev. If it were communicated to those who are ready to "put their heads on the rails," then the "set goal" would be achieved in accordance with the above sociological law, i.e. in a natural way. Another way is to manipulate statistics.

[Servisinzhener]

There is no one method to reduce mortality in traffic accidents. This process consists of many aspects.
1) Parenting from childhood. Recently I watched with children an English-language cartoon, either from the Super Simple Songs series, or LBB. In which the heroes wanted to go somewhere by car. And the following was sung in it: - We get into the car. Fasten the belt and turn the key. And not the wind in the mug, I .... ahem ...
In domestic Malyshariki there is also a series about a car seat. And this is the right approach. Because car seats seriously increase the chance of survival in accidents, as do seat belts.
In Norway, over the past 5 years, 0 child deaths in road accidents. You can certainly argue that there are 5 million inhabitants. But in the Krasnodar Territory there are as many of them.
By the way, I noticed now that primary school students began to walk in reflective javelins.
2) An increase in fines and linking them to the size of the minimum wage. (Ideally, of course, to the level of income, but salaries in envelopes ...) The increase is not to prohibitive values, but so that it is unpleasant. And tying to the minimum wage so that fines do not lose their relevance in size.
3) Good roads. Accomplished in proportion to their workload.
4) Reducing the tax component for cars with a large amount of security systems. There is a small and very subjective comment. He was the owner of a used car from Germany, the brand of which any car sooner or later became So there, with the weakest motor in the lineup, the simplest cabin and the smallest wheels. There were all security systems, not only basic, but also those that come in the form of options for a fee. Here, we choose the most powerful motor and the largest wheels from the options.