The United States is losing its submarine forces, says The National Interest

The trend emerging in the development of American submarines threatens the dominance of the Navy in the oceans. The National Interest, analyzing the current situation, comes to a disappointing conclusion: the United States is losing its submarine forces.

The US Navy has already faced a huge shortage of strike submarines

- notes the publication, indicating that the situation in this segment of the defense will only worsen.

So, instead of the planned purchase of two Virginia-class submarines, the White House limited itself to only one. Together with her, the presidential administration proposes to purchase eight combat pennants in 2021: Columbia-class submarines (ballistic missile launcher), two Arly Burke class destroyers, URO frigate, UDC and two rescue ships. In total, it is planned to spend $ 20 billion on the purchase of new ships. However, Columbia alone takes away $ 14 billion of them.

Impending shortage of strike submarines most worries regional commanders

- indicates The National Interest.

As expected, of the 56 strike submarines (which are now represented by the Los Angeles, Seawolf and Virginia types) and cruise missile carriers (Ohio class), which are available for 2020, only 2028 pennants will remain in 42.

This situation has caused concern among a number of senior military personnel. As explained by the US Navy Admiral Philip Davidson, there are 400 foreign submarines in the world, of which about 75% are in the Indo-Pacific region. 160 submarines belong to China (at the beginning of 2019 it had approximately 50 shock diesel-electric submarines and 6 nuclear), Russia and North Korea.

While these three countries are building their capacity, the United States is retiring strike submarines faster than being replaced

- the admiral expressed concern, noting that, in comparison with 2008, a hypothetical enemy tripled the activity of his underwater fleet.

According to him, against this background, the United States should give an adequate answer. However, according to NI, the opposite reaction is observed.

Perhaps the biggest winner in the Navy’s budget [proposed by Trump for 2021] is China, which continues to build up its submarine forces amid a shrinking US fleet

- summarizes the publication.

Comments

[Fedor Sokolov]

It is time for the states to stop "dominating" other continents, all empires sooner or later come to an end, and the United States is no exception. Of course, the danger is that if it has disappeared somewhere, it will definitely arrive in another place, and here for Russia there is a danger of multiple geopolitical strengthening of China, which will not know where to project its military power.

[g1v2]

Los Angeles was built at the height of the Cold War. Then they did not spare money for armament and the shipbuilding capabilities of the USA were also different. Naturally, they are being written off and will be written off more than Virginia will be built. 4 refitted Ohio are also ancient and will be decommissioned. Again, you need to change the strategists. Colombia will not leave the series soon. Ohio needs to be changed now. Accordingly, Colombia will be built to the detriment of the Maples.
In general, in the next 10 years we have an excellent opportunity to reduce the backlog in the number of submarine personnel. Strategists are being updated actively. Mapples are also being built, and old ones are being repaired and modernized, diesel-electric submarines are being built. Both Varshavyanka and Lada. By the end of the 20s, the number of American submarines, without strategists, will be 40-50 pieces. We have the opportunity to even go forward
number of multipurpose square Moreover, a dap is much cheaper than an apple, but the states do not.

[bessmertniy]

Let's hope that we do not miss the chance to improve the ratio of our submarine fleet with the American.

[shinobi]

In a continental war, the fleet is useless. World War II is proof of this. It is certainly true, the future belongs to multi-purpose submarines. BUT! Only if they are considered as shock platforms.

[g1v2]

Our main probable opponents are sea powers or are separated from us by the sea. These are the USA, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. We do not border them by land. A fleet is clearly needed. Both for defense and for attack.
Well, again, do not forget that there will be a big war or not, xs. But local wars are ongoing. Apart from preparing for the big bam, there is a need for a fleet for local wars and operations. Plus, the strategy of the expeditionary forces of the Russian Federation is beginning to take shape. And HERE WITHOUT A NAVY DO NOT DO. Otherwise, everything tasty will be eaten without us.

[shinobi]

The fleet is needed, nobody argues! But they are not trying to impose it on us. The battles of the fleet on the fleet remained in the 19th century. Now the rocket carriers rule the waters. The Yankees can swear at their aircraft carriers as long as they don’t shoot at them. The Japanese have shown the war how vulnerable aircraft carriers are against winged weapons and submarines. We must go our own way, and not compete with anyone bigger and fatter. The future is for multipurpose submarines and missile-gun platforms.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: shinobi

In a continental war, the fleet is useless.

It's a pity the Yankees don't know about it. So they probably * foolishly * adopted the Fleet versus Shore concept. The expeditionary corps and the UDC cherish, the deck F / A-18E, F they have a merry-go-round on the BP ranges, practicing strikes against coastal targets ... And you say: Peacocks!

Quote: g1v2

There is a need for a fleet for local wars and operations.

Of course have. But not only. They plan all of their operations from a sudden attack by the CRBM from ships / surface-to-air missiles to suppress enemy missile defense / air defense ... And here, it does not smell like a local conflict at all.

Quote: g1v2

Now the strategy of the expeditionary forces of the Russian Federation is beginning to take shape. And HERE WITHOUT A NAVY DO NOT DO. Otherwise, everything tasty will be eaten without us.

Maybe I overlooked something, but I haven’t heard something about the "expeditionary forces" of the Russian Federation. I heard the landing forces, I heard the sea and air assault, but I did not hear about the "expeditionary forces". If there is, plz, a link to the studio! AHA?
About tasty. There is a saying: "Do not open your mouth on someone else's loaf," which was embodied in the words of a famous song: - "We do not want an inch of someone else's land, but we will not give up our top too!" There were wise people, our tankers, knew what they were talking about.
And from myself. We would like to hold onto our territory, into which they will dig, starting with our neighbors and ending with the "world government".
Somehow, however.

[shinobi]

For general education, look at the statistics of the loss of the American contingent in normia. Only where the coast was really fortified, and not empty beaches. With normal defense layered, with the shooting range of coastal systems deep into the TVD for 500-800 km, landing even a small landing turns into a non-trivial task .Any blow from aircraft carriers on our shore is a GREAT WAR. It will last 20-40 minutes. And the Stone Age will come.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: shinobi

Look for general education

Yuri, are you in any way a lecturer at the Department of Tactics from the ASH? Or maybe the NS / Kom fleet? that you decided to raise my education! Be humble - and people will reach for you ... (c)

Quote: shinobi

With normal layered defense, with a shooting range of coastal systems deep into the TVD for 500-800 km, the landing of even a small landing turns into a non-trivial task.

Have you decided to tell me about the PDO? Or frighten "coastal systems" without naming them? But there is no need to talk about the "non-trivial task", I have been working on it for 4 years ... closely. So, I can imagine the volume and difficulties from the West-81 ... Damn!

Quote: shinobi

.Any blow from aircraft carriers on our shore is a GREAT WAR. It will last 20-40 minutes.

Well, the AMs do not have a scenario for the start of a "big war", which begins with an AVM strike "on our bank"! Avics are the second echelon. And no one will throw them into a bayonet attack on the DBK ...
The second one. 20-40 minutes is the time of the first strike of the strategic nuclear forces ... And then how it goes. Actually, the stages were the 1st day, the 3rd, and after 10 days ... Whoever is in the subject will understand. The rest will have to believe / not take the word.
About the stone age. Australia, Oceania, and Eastern Siberia will retain the centers of civilization. I didn’t say so, scientists say ....
Somehow, however.

[shinobi]

If you are such a well-trained specialist, as the exercises are being conducted with us, I know very well, then do not tell tales about the second echelon and other things. Without the first missile strike on our territory, all these landings will be empty theorizing, and the first strike will be the last. For everyone. Do you say the foci of civilization? Well, well, blessed is he who believes.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: shinobi

then do not tell tales about the second tier and more.

Sir, full of foolishness ... I'm not telling you fairy tales, but scripts of some KSHVI and fragments of KSHU. What can you tell about the teachings? Except of course "battalion in the offensive / defense"?

Quote: shinobi

Without the first missile strike on our territory, all of these landings are empty theorizing, and the first strike will be the last. For all.

Read the conditions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... then we'll talk. Frets?
After the first strike there will be at least 3 more ... This is so, for the overall development.
And, by the way, people continue to live in the Chernobyl zone. And scientists are studying with interest the effect of "small doses of radiation" on living organisms ... So, "my friend Kolka"! (from).
PS Especially do not bother with the answer.
Happy holiday, Day SA and Navy!
Good luck. And ... this ... learn the materiel - it will come in handy!
Sincerely, Boa.

[shinobi]

Try to argue the priest, right?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: shinobi

Try to argue the priest, right?

Yeah We were taught this: stand for the truth to the end!

[shinobi]

Only the truth is different for everyone.

[Boa kaa]

No, respected, the truth is always one. Different people have different views on it.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: shinobi

In a continental war, the fleet is useless.

Depends on the continent where the war will go.
Because somebody separated from possible theater of operations by one ocean or another. And for him, the issue of the safety of maritime transport of military personnel, equipment and supplies from the Metropolis to one or another continental theater of operations is vitally important. Remember what the "Reformer" is?
And the best way to ensure this security is to destroy the enemy fleet.

[Mavrikiy]

160 submarines belong to China (at the beginning of 2019 had about 50 shock diesel-electric submarines and 6 nuclear)

Mdya ... 100 boats in 2 years. We stamped missiles like pies, and they are submarines ... Factory of the world, more precisely, the factory of the world.

[bars1]

Mavrikiy, 160 submarines is the total number of submarines in China, Russia, and North Korea. Read the article carefully Do not be scared of China yourself and do not scare others!

[rotmistr60]

Impending shortage of strike submarines most worries regional commanders

They would not have flung themselves all over the world and there was no concern among the regional commanders who are stumbled across all the regions of the planet.

in comparison with 2008, a hypothetical enemy tripled the activity of its submarine fleet.

And what remains of the enemy, whom the United States officially declared an enemy in its military doctrine?

[Grad-Xnumx]

Vidos test!

[Kot_Kuzya]

Why do they need submarines? These are the weapons of the poor who do not have the means to build and maintain AUG. No wonder modern Russia is betting on submarines, since there is no strength to build and maintain AUGs. The same Germans in the World Wars also relied on submarines, since they did not have the means to build aircraft carriers and battleships.

[shinobi]

In modern warfare, the AUG is a very big target for all kinds of anti-ship missiles. For war along the coast, it must approach the coast at a distance of 250-300 km. It is ideal for all kinds of coastal complexes.

[Operator]

The Big White Fleet is slowly but surely turning into the Big Yellow Fleet

After which the United States will become a continental power.

[Boa kaa]

The US is losing its submarine forces. As expected, of the 56 strike submarines (which are now represented by the Los Angeles, Seawolf and Virginia types) and cruise missile carriers (Ohio class), which are available for 2020, only 2028 pennants will remain in 42.

And according to our long-term plans, by 2050 alone, 10 rf missile launchers and 12 multipurpose nuclear submarines each in the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet are expected, totaling 34 units, which is 1,6 times less than that of the Yankees, not counting the nuclear submarines of England and France. Of course not enough!
Because they plan to deploy 60% of the naval forces in the APR against the Dragon ... But he has boats with seams, but NK bakes like pancakes! This is where you just think: "what is more expensive than mother's history?" - PLA or PLC? And if 30-35 units of the Yankees are sent to the South China Sea, then 20 Virgins will obviously not climb the Ash tree, so as not to scratch the ass! Here are the dogs of war: come on meat! And the budget for even the Ams is not dimensionless ...
But!

[lvov_aleksey]

Our north, China let the strip annoying !!!