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The defeat of the army of Denikin in the battle of Tikhorets

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Mitrofan Grekov. "The frozen Cossacks of General Pavlov." 1927


100 years ago, in February 1920, the Soviet troops of the Caucasian Front conducted the Tikhoretskaya operation and inflicted a heavy defeat on Denikin’s army. The White Guard front collapsed, the remnants of the white troops randomly retreated, which predetermined the victory of the Red Army in the North Caucasus.

During the operation, the largest counter-horse battle of the Yegorlyksk during the entire Civil War took place, where the combined forces of both sides reached 25 thousand horsemen.

Kuban Troubles


While volunteers and donors fought on the Don-Manych front and won their last victories, the rear of Denikin’s army completely decayed. Despite the fact that the front approached directly to the Kuban, only a few thousand Kuban Cossacks remained in the army of Denikin. The rest of the Kuban deserted or went to their native villages for “reformation” (in fact, they deserted with the permission of the command). The process of "forming" new parts has taken on an endless nature. And the Kuban regiments, which still remained at the front, completely decomposed and were on the verge of collapse.

The Kuban “tops” began to boil again, which Denikin had only recently reassured with the help of General Pokrovsky. Major General Uspensky, the commander of the 4th Consolidated Horse Corps, who was elected ataman of the Kuban army, who tried to pursue a conciliatory policy, stayed at his post for only a month. He contracted typhoid and died. Left-wing politicians and autocrats immediately activated. Using the news of the defeats of Denikin’s army, which weakened the threat of the use of military force, they subjugated the Kuban Rada. The parliament canceled all concessions of the Union and restored its legislative functions. General Bukretov was elected the new Kuban chieftain. He fought bravely during the years of World War II on the Caucasian front, but during the time of troubles he was noted in abuses, was even arrested on charges of bribery.

Leading posts in the Rada and the regional government were occupied by supporters of independence and populists, who again headed for a split. Any decisions were made not out of necessity, but for the damage of the Supreme Command of the FYUR. The Social Revolutionaries, who spoke of the need for a coup, and the Mensheviks, who called for an agreement with the Bolsheviks, intensified. Nobody bothered them. All attempts to form a new army in the Kuban were sabotaged. General Wrangel planned to form a new horse army in the Kuban, there were people and material resources for this, but all his attempts were paralyzed by local politicians and officials.

On January 18, 1920, the Supreme Cossack Circle was assembled in Yekaterinodar: deputies from the Don, Kuban and Terek troops. The upper circle declared itself the "supreme power" in the Don, Kuban and Terek, and proceeded to create an "independent union state" in order to fight the Bolsheviks and establish internal freedom and order. It is clear that this stillborn initiative had no positive effect, only increased confusion and staggering. The deputies immediately quarreled with each other. Tertsy and most of the Don people stood for the continuation of the struggle with the Reds. Left Kuban and part of the Don people tended to reconciliation with the Bolsheviks. In addition, most of the Kuban people and part of the Don people advocated a break with the Denikin government. Denikin was declared a "reactionary" and put forward utopian projects for an alliance with Georgia, Azerbaijan, Petliura, and even green bands. Again, demands were made to limit the defense of the Kuban. Immediately there were dreams of “correcting the borders” of the Cossack regions due to the inclusion of part of the Voronezh, Tsaritsyn, Stavropol and Black Sea provinces.

Kuban army and the South Russian government


Westernizers who everywhere have their own interest did not stand aside. Bukretov was negotiating with the British and French on the creation of the South Russian "democratic" power. The Parliament announced that they will support England and provide everything necessary. True, General Holman immediately issued a refutation. The Supreme Circle had practically no power. But the fantastic picture of the decomposition of the rear and the inability to divert forces from a front that was crashing at the seams did not allow Denikin to restore order. He could only threaten the departure of volunteers, which somewhat cooled the hot heads in the rear. Engaging in “politics” and verbiage was good under the protection of the White Guard bayonets. The arrival of the Bolsheviks would quickly end this bacchanalia (which soon happened).

Therefore, Denikin, in order to prevent a break with the hesitant and tired of the war mass of Cossacks, made concessions. So, he agreed to the creation of the Kuban army of the All-Union Union of Socialist Republic of Ukraine. It was created on February 8, 1920 by reforming the Caucasian Army, which became the Kuban. First, the new army was headed by the popular in the Kuban, Shkuro, then Ulagay. The army included the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Kuban corps.

Also, the Supreme Commander of the All-Union Socialist League of Ukraine conducted negotiations with representatives of the Circle on the creation of a national government. After the evacuation from Rostov, the Special Meeting was dissolved, it was replaced by a new government led by General Lukomsky under the Supreme Commander of the All-Union Socialist League. The composition of the government was the same, but in a reduced composition. And the territory controlled by Denikin’s army sharply decreased - to the Black Sea province, part of Stavropol and Crimea. Now they planned to form a new government with the participation of the Cossacks. As a result, Denikin lost and went to an agreement with representatives of the Don region, Kuban and Terek. The troops of the Cossack state formations were under operational control of Denikin, and their representatives were part of the new government. In March 1920, the South Russian government was established. Denikin was declared the head of the new government. N.M. Melnikov (chairman of the Don government) became the head of the government, and General A.K. Kelchevsky (chief of staff of the Don Army) became the military and naval minister. True, this new government lasted only until the end of March, as the white front in the North Caucasus collapsed.

At the same time, the Kuban government refused to recognize the new South Russian government. Kuban continued to decompose. Replenishment from here to the front completely stopped. This caused a conflict with the Don people, who tried to force the Kuban to fight. It even reached the sending of Don punitive detachments to the Kuban villages to force the Cossacks to go to the front. But without success. It turned out to be impossible. The Kuban people turned their backs on the Denikin government and began to join the ranks of the rebels and the Reds. Local "greens" have stepped up, which attacked communications with Novorossiysk. The appointment of Shkuro, the former idol of the Kuban, did not help the commander of the new Kuban army. He was for unity with Denikin, so local politicians criticized him severely.

The Kuban chieftain Bukretov conducted a frank anti-Denikin policy, discussed with the independents the replacement of the South Russian government with a directory of atamans of the three Cossack troops. Independents dreamed of a Cossack dictator who would expel "strangers" and declare Kuban power. Kuban plunged into complete chaos.

New Caucasian Front


In addition, Denikin in this atmosphere of chaos received another front. On the territory of Georgia, the Russian Mensheviks and Socialist Revolutionaries in the autumn of 1919 established the Black Sea Liberation Committee, headed by Vasily Filippovsky. Of the 11th and 12th Soviet armies interned in the Georgian Republic, the Black Sea rebel peasants began to form an army. It was provided and armed by the Georgian government, trained by Georgian officers. On January 28, 1920, the army of the Committee (about 2 thousand people) crossed the border and launched an offensive in the Black Sea province.

In this direction stood the 52nd White Brigade. But the brigade had low combat efficiency, several of its battalions were small and unreliable. They mainly consisted of captured Red Army soldiers. They did not run away just because there was nowhere to run, the house was too far away. Simultaneously with the advance of the Committee’s troops, the local “greens” began to go behind the White Guards. The Denikins attacked from two sides were scattered, some fled, others surrendered. The troops of the Committee occupied Adler, February 2 - Sochi. Here, the Committee announced the creation of an independent Black Sea Republic. He called on the Kuban Rada to enter into an alliance.

Then the troops of the Black Sea Republic launched an offensive to the north. The commander of the troops of the Black Sea coast of the FYUR General Lukomsky had almost no troops, only small unreliable units that easily crossed over to the enemy’s side. The 2nd Infantry Division was thrown into battle (the division only by name, no larger than the battalion in size), which was "reinforced" by local replenishment. In the first battle, she was defeated, replenishment went over to the side of the rebels.

Due to the inability to fulfill duties, Lukomsky resigned. The new commander was Major General Burnevich. Meanwhile, the troops of the Black Sea Republic continued to advance. Contractions occurred according to one pattern. The White Guards, having gathered a few companies or battalions around the world, put up a screen in a convenient position between the mountains and the sea. The Greens, who knew the area well, easily bypassed the enemy, attacked from behind. Panic began, White's defense fell apart. Having won and divided the trophies, the local "green" went home and celebrated success for some time. It all started again. White lined up a new line of defense. The rebel army bypassed them. As a result, on February 11, the Greens occupied Lazarevskaya and began to threaten Tuapse. At this time, Georgia, in the guise of war, “fixed” the border with Russia in its favor.

Tikhoretskaya operation


The main thing was decided not at meetings and in offices, but at the front. In January - early February 1920, the Reds during the Don-Manych operation were unable to overcome the defenses of the White Guards in the Don area, and their main strike formations (Budenny Horse Army and the 2nd Dumenko Horse Corps) were repelled and suffered significant casualties and weapons. The Red Army failed to force the Don in the lower reaches, where volunteers defended, reached Manych, but failed to gain a foothold on its left bank. Front command changed. Shorin, who came into conflict with Budenny and his headquarters, was replaced by “winner Kolchak” Tukhachevsky.

Both sides were preparing to continue the battle. The forces of the parties were approximately equal: the Red Army - over 50 thousand bayonets and sabers (including about 19 thousand sabers) with 450 guns, the White Army - about 47 thousand people (including over 25 thousand sabers), 450 guns. Both white and red planned to advance. It seemed to the white command that not everything was lost yet and that it was possible to go on the counterattack. Smash the red Caucasian front. The fighting spirit of volunteers and donors after victories near Bataysk and Manych has increased. Moreover, after the agreements reached with the Cossacks, Kuban divisions and reinforcements were expected to appear on the front. There was a combat-ready strike group of Pavlov. The equestrian group of General Starikov was formed from the Don. On February 8, 1920, Denikin issued an order to transfer to the general offensive of the northern group of forces with the main strike in the Novocherkassk direction in order to capture Rostov and Novocherkassk. A transition to the offensive was planned in the near future, at which time the Kuban army (the former Caucasus) was to receive replenishment.

Meanwhile, the Soviet command was preparing a new offensive with the aim of breaking through the White’s defense on the river. Manych, the defeat of the North Caucasian group and the purification of the region from the White Guards. The offensive began on the entire front: the forces of the 8th, 9th, 10th were to force Don and Manych, defeat the opposing forces of the enemy. Sokolnikov's 8th army attacked in the direction of Kagalnitskaya with the goal of breaking through the defense of the Volunteer and 3rd Don corps in order to reach the river. Kahalnik; The 9th Dushkevich army was to break through the defenses of the 3rd and 1st Don Corps; Pavlov’s 10th Army opposed the Kuban Army; The 11th army of Vasilenko dealt a blow in the direction of Stavropol-Armavir.

But the main attack was dealt by the 1st Cavalry Army with the support of the rifle divisions of the 10th Army. The infantry was supposed to break through the enemy defenses, cavalry was introduced into the breach, which would separate the enemy armies and destroy them in parts. For this, a regrouping of forces was carried out. The 1st Horse Army of Budenny was transferred to the Platovskaya - Grand Ducal region, from where it was supposed to strike at Torgovaya - Tikhoretskaya, at the junction of the Don and Kuban armies. Reinforcements were being drawn up to the 10th and 11th armies through Tsaritsyn and Astrakhan at the expense of the troops, which were liberated after the liquidation of the Kolchakites and the Urals.


The offensive of the Caucasian front. Counterattacks of Denikin's army


On February 14, 1920, the Red Army launched an offensive. Attempts by the forces of the 8th and 9th armies to force Don and Manych to success did not lead. Only in the evening of February 15, the cavalry division of the 9th army and the 1st Caucasian cavalry division of the 10th army managed to force Manych and take up a small bridgehead. On the site of the 10th army, the situation was better. She piled on the weak Kuban army. She retreated. The Kuban army did not receive the promised replenishment, only one plastunsky (infantry) small corps of General Kryzhanovsky, who defended the Tikhoretsky direction, approached the beginning of the battle. The 10th Army, reinforced by the 50th and 34th Rifle Divisions of the 11th Army, was able to overcome the resistance of the 1st Kuban Corps and on February 16 captured Torgovaya. The army of Budenny was introduced into the breakthrough - the 4th, 6th and 11th cavalry divisions (about 10 thousand sabers). The Red Cavalry went up the Bolshoy Yegorlyk River to the rear of the Trade, threatening communications with Tikhoretskaya.

The White Command sent for the liquidation of the equestrian group of General Pavlov - the 2nd and 4th Don corps (about 10-12 thousand horsemen), which previously stood opposite the 9th Soviet Army. The Pavlov group, following up Manych, was supposed to strike the flank and rear of the enemy strike force together with the 1st Right-flank Don Corps. On February 16-17, the white cavalry overturned on the lower Manych part of the equestrian corps of Dumenko (2nd Cavalry Division) and the 1st Caucasian Cavalry Division of Guy from the 10th Army. On February 17, the White Cossacks inflicted a strong blow on the 28th Infantry Division. The commander Vladimir Azin was captured (he was executed on February 18). The Reds retreated behind Manych. Pavlov’s group continued to move to Torgovaya, which the Kuban had already left.

As Denikin noted, this forced march of Pavlov’s cavalry to Torgovaya was the beginning of the end of the white cavalry. Contrary to the advice of his subordinates, who spoke of the need to move along the right inhabited coast, General Pavlov moved along the almost uninhabited left bank of Manych. There were severe frosts and blizzards. Rare farms and winteries could not warm such a mass of people. As a result, Pavlov’s equestrian group was terribly exhausted, exhausted and morally broken. She lost almost half of her composition to frozen, frostbite, sick and lagging behind. Pavlov himself received a frostbite. Many froze right in the saddles. On February 19, the White Cossacks tried to recapture Torgovaya, but were driven back by the Budennovites. General Pavlov led his group to the Sredne-Yegorlykskaya, continuing to bear the loss of the sick and frozen.

At the same time, the Volunteer Corps defeated red in the Rostov direction. In the battles of February 19-21, 1920, volunteers repelled the attacks of the 8th Soviet Army and themselves went on the counteroffensive. On February 21, Denikinites again captured Rostov and Nakhichevan-on-Don. This fleeting success caused an explosion of hope in Yekaterinodar and Novorossiysk. At the same time, the 3rd Don Corps of General Guselschikov launched a successful offensive in the direction of Novocherkassk, took the village of Aksayskaya, intercepting the railway link between Rostov and Novocherkassk. Further in the east, in the lower reaches of Manych, the 1st Don Corps of General Starikov successfully opposed the units of the 1st Horse Corps of Zhloba and the 2nd Horse Corps of Dumenko, and went to the village of Bogaevskaya. But these were the last successes of white against the backdrop of a general catastrophe.

The defeat of the army of Denikin in the battle of Tikhorets

The commander of the cavalry corps of the Red Army during the Civil War, the organizer of the red cavalry units Boris Mokeevich Dumenko (1888 - May 11, 1920)

Yegorlyk battle


The Soviet command formed a powerful strike force at the breakthrough site. The 1st Cavalry Army temporarily subordinated the 20th, 34th and 50th rifle divisions. The infantry formed an attack group under the command of Mikhail Velikanov (chief of the 20th division). Budyonny’s army and the 10th Army’s strike group, putting up a barrier to the north (part of the 11th Cavalry Division) against the Pavlov group, non-stop advancing along the Tsaritsyn-Tikhoretskaya railway. On February 21, the Budennovites took Sredne-Yegorlykskaya, and on February 22 Velikanov’s group took Peschanokopskaya. On February 22, the main forces of Budenny defeated the 1st Kuban Corps in the area of ​​White Clay. The commander of the Kuban Corps, General Kryzhanovsky, died with his staff surrounded. The Kuban army fell apart, its remnants fled or surrendered. Small groups of the Kuban army concentrated in the area of ​​Tikhoretskaya, Caucasian and on the approaches to Stavropol. Budyonny’s army turned north, where the threat of a flank counterattack by the White Army arose. The 20th and 50th Infantry, 4th, 6th and 11th Cavalry Divisions were directed against Pavlov's group. The 34th Infantry Division remained to cover the Tikhoretsk direction.

The White Command, seeing that movement to the north was impossible due to the defeat and collapse of the right wing (the Kuban Army) and the withdrawal of the Red strike group in the rear of the Don Army and the Volunteer Corps, stopped the attack on the Rostov-Novocherkassk direction. The rate of the Supreme Commander of the All-Union Union of Liberal Democratic Forces from Tikhoretskaya was transferred to Yekaterinodar. One building was immediately taken back to strengthen Pavlov’s horse group. On February 23, the 8th Army restored the former front line. Using the success of the 8th Soviet army, the neighboring 9th also went on the offensive. The 1st Don Corps retreated for Manych. By February 26, whites were driven back to their original positions on the entire front.

True, here the situation was overshadowed by the arrest of corps commander Dumenko. The commander was a real national nugget, selflessly fought for Soviet power, became one of the organizers of the red cavalry. But he came into conflict with Trotsky, speaking out against his policies in the army. On the night of February 23-24, by order of a member of the Caucasian Military Revolutionary Council, Smilgi Dumenko was arrested together with the headquarters of the Consolidated Cavalry Corps. The accusations were false - Dumenko was charged with the murder of the commissar of the corps Mikeladze and the organization of rebellion. In defense of Dumenko, Ordzhonikidze, Stalin and Egorov spoke out, but Trotsky's line prevailed. In May, a talented people's commander was shot.

On February 23, Pavlov’s group, having received reinforcements, went on the offensive and on the 24th rejected the 11th cavalry division of the Reds. White took Sredne-Yegorlykskaya and moved towards White Clay to go behind enemy lines. On February 25, the largest equestrian battle of the Civil War took place in the area south of Sredne-Yegorlykskaya. Up to 25 thousand fighters from both sides took part in it. The Don people believed that the main forces of the Reds were still marching on Tikhoretskaya, and they hadn’t taken measures for enhanced intelligence and protection. As a result, the Cossacks unexpectedly ran into the main forces of the Red Army. Reconnaissance of the Budyonny army on time discovered the enemy, the units turned around. On the left wing, the 6th cavalry division of Tymoshenko met the marching columns of the 4th Don Corps with machine-gun and artillery fire, and then attacked. The whites were overturned. The 2nd Don Corps, led by General Pavlov, went to the 20th Division in the center and began to deploy for attack, but then it was covered with artillery fire by the 4th Cavalry Division of Gorodovikov from the left wing, then the 11th Cavalry Division attacked from the right wing. in battle order to attack, but artillery fire of the 4th Cavalry Division fell from the right flank, and then the 11th Cavalry Division attacked from the east. After that, the 4th Cavalry Division went on the attack.

White cavalry was defeated, lost about 1 thousand people only prisoners, 29 guns, 100 machine guns and fled. The Reds took the Central Egorlykskaya. Pavlov’s troops retreated to Yegorlykskaya. The whites transferred the last available forces and reserves from Bataysk and Mechetinsky to the Yegorlykskaya - Ataman area. Volunteers, the 3rd cavalry corps of Yuzefovich, several separate Kuban brigades were pulled here. On February 26-28, the Budennovites, without the support of rifle divisions, tried to take Yegorlykskaya, but without success. The Red Command concentrated all available forces here, including the 20th Rifle, 1st Caucasus and 2nd Cavalry Divisions. March 1 - 2, in a stubborn battle in the area of ​​Yegorlykskaya - Ataman, the whites were defeated. The whites retreated to Ilovaiskaya and Mechetinskaya and began a retreat in the north along the entire front. General Sidorin led the Don Army across the Kagalnik River, then on.

By early March, volunteers left Rostov, retreated to the right bank of the Don, but still restrained the onslaught of the 8th Soviet army. The right flank of the Volunteer Corps, the departure of neighboring donors, was forced to withdraw from Olginskaya. White suffered heavy losses. On March 2, units of the 8th Soviet Army took Bataisk, which they had so stubbornly stormed before. The Reds were halfway to Tikhoretskaya and the Caucasus. On the left wing of the Caucasus Front, units of the 11th Army reached the Divnoye-Kizlyar line. February 29, the Reds took Stavropol. In the rear of Denikin, the rebels captured Tuapse on February 24. Here, the “green” army, under the influence of red agitators and former Red Army soldiers, was proclaimed the “Black Sea Red Army”. The new red army launched an offensive in two directions: through mountain crossings to the Kuban, and to Gelendzhik and Novorossiysk. From complete annihilation, the remains of Denikin’s army were saved by the beginning of the thaw, the beginning of the thaw that turned the earth into impassable mud and swamps. The movement of the Red Army lost speed.

Thus, the army of Denikin suffered a decisive defeat. The Red Army broke through the defensive line on the Don and Manych, and advanced 100-110 km to the south. The white cavalry was completely bloodless and lost its striking power. The demoralized remnants of the Denikin army non-stop retreated to Ekaterinodar, Novorossiysk and Tuapse. In fact, the front of the White Army collapsed. Prerequisites were created for the complete liberation of the entire Kuban, Stavropol, Novorossiysk and the North Caucasus.


Mitrofan Grekov. "The Battle of Yegorlykskaya." 1928−1929
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  1. Lamata
    Lamata 21 February 2020 06: 55
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    Wrangel’s memoirs describe it so harshly about the mess in the rear of Denikin, the rear states are inflated, most officers don’t want to fight, drunkenness, theft (there’s nothing to say about any ideology), which, in the end, welcomes, to begin with, the Novorossiysk disaster .
    1. w70
      w70 21 February 2020 07: 14
      -43 qualifying.
      Yes, a disaster, and it led to the fact that the power of Satan in Holy Russia settled for 70 years
      1. Lamata
        Lamata 21 February 2020 07: 43
        31
        Eg, this "Satan" left behind schools, hospitals, industry, space, education, lack of unemployment, a guaranteed pension. And right now, in your opinion, who rules the ball in Russia? Radiant angels of the free market, like Chubais.
      2. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 08: 25
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        w70 (Sergey)
        Yes disaster
        You have a disaster with brains! fool "Holy Russia" ... "Satan" ... everything is very neglected, you need to go to Olgovich's ward, there are still not all the places occupied ... laughing
      3. Looking for
        Looking for 21 February 2020 17: 36
        +8
        YES HELLO SOVIET AUTHORITY !!!!
        1. Lamata
          Lamata 21 February 2020 19: 51
          +1
          Plus gasification of the whole country !!!! Due to Miller.
      4. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 22 February 2020 07: 34
        +3
        Quote: w70
        settled the power of Satan in Holy Russia

        Do not you think that this statement is impossible.
        Either the God-bearing people, or the power of Satan, but since olden times ...
    2. Horde1
      Horde1 21 February 2020 09: 06
      +9
      in the government of Denikin, as in the previous interim government of St. Petersburg, they could not solve the main question of LAND. The Lenin government immediately announced the slogan -the land to the peasants and the masses went for the Reds, and the whites did not manage to solve the main Russian question, as now, to whom does the land now belong?
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 09: 17
        15
        Horde 1 (Paul)
        The Lenin government immediately announced the slogan -the land to the peasants and the masses went for the Reds, and the whites did not manage to solve the main Russian question, as now, to whom does the land now belong?
        The same to whom the bowels belong, the heirs of Chubais and Co. What White was fighting for then, now we have got it, now we are dissolving with a hole in his hole. And we will disentangle for a long time.
        1. fuxila
          fuxila 21 February 2020 12: 05
          -13 qualifying.
          It is strange that the whites fought for the power in the country to belong not to them (Vyazemsky, Shuisky, etc.), but to communists and Komsomol workers belonging to the God-chosen people (in particular, like the Chubais you mentioned)? Do you somehow justify this your thesis. Announce the entire list please ...
        2. Salty
          Salty 21 February 2020 16: 08
          -9
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          The same to whom the bowels belong, the heirs of Chubais and Co.

          Owns the land? And the bowels? Individuals? You should read the basic law, for starters, or something ...
      2. karabass
        karabass 21 February 2020 22: 00
        -2
        And they could not! Like a person who has the concept of decency left, to give an order to take his property from a person! Do you have an apartment? And many emigrants from Central Asia do not have it! The new revolution will give the order - APARTMENTS - NEEDED! And the masses who will occupy your apartment will go for beauty ... pah, you yourself know who!
  2. lucul
    lucul 21 February 2020 07: 26
    -4
    It’s hard to read - and there and there are Russians - there were no winners in that war (for the Russian EU)
    1. apro
      apro 21 February 2020 07: 57
      +7
      Cossacks, self-activists did not consider themselves Russian ...
    2. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 08: 21
      11
      lucul (Vitaliy)
      It’s hard to read - and there and there are Russians - there were no winners in that war (for the Russian EU)
      You are mistaken, then ordinary people won. He defeated and threw off his oppressors, it’s a pity he just didn’t finish it and in 1991 he received a full return for his softness. Now we disintegrate and apparently for a long time we will disentangle.
      apro (Oleg Frolov)
      Cossacks, self-activists did not consider themselves Russian ...
      I’ll tell you more, some still don’t think so.
      And although I myself am a hereditary Don Cossack, nevertheless I should note the fact that the Cossacks in the civilian were marked not so much by valor as by robberies and pogroms. However, the robbery from the Cossacks is in the blood, not for nothing they went for zipuns all their lives. True, it is one thing to get a zipun from a Turk or a Persian, and another thing to get from your own people in Russia. However, you wrote correctly, the Cossacks did not associate themselves with central Russia in any way and all its inhabitants were contemptuously called "kats * pami"(for moderators, this is not an insult, this is a statement of fact, now the same thing, nothing has changed). Skaklov, by the way, was also not liked.
      1. Lamata
        Lamata 21 February 2020 08: 27
        +9
        Duc still flirted with the French, on the subject of creating their own state, and in general they acted politically extremely infantile and not far-sighted. For which they paid.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 08: 32
          10
          At the expense of the French, I don’t know what kind of Cossacks were hobbling with the French?
          Here, at the expense of the Germans, I know for sure that Krasnov is a shameful Judas, back in 1918 he wanted to separate the Great Don Army from Russia and lie under a German protectorate.
          1. Lamata
            Lamata 21 February 2020 12: 01
            +4
            Don Cossacks, the French claimed the Donets Basin.
            1. Arlen
              Arlen 21 February 2020 13: 10
              12
              Not so much. The Donets Basin promised to transfer the Wrangel to the French for their help. And the Cossacks led by Krasnov were negotiating with the German interventionists.
              1. Lamata
                Lamata 21 February 2020 13: 14
                +2
                Maybe so, maybe different sources, but Krasnov, yes, hobnobed with the Germans.
      2. Gene84
        Gene84 21 February 2020 08: 44
        15
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        Now we disintegrate and apparently for a long time we will disentangle.

        Not only us, but also our children will have to disentangle. So break up, everything that was created by the people for decades, could only violent enemies of the people.
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        I’ll tell you more, some still don’t think so.

        No offense to you, like a Don Cossack, I want to say that looking at today's mummers, shameful for their existence, real Cossacks and their history, there is a feeling that everyone is like that. I understand that not all and that there are still real Cossacks, but the mummers, as if deliberately expose all Cossacks as a laughing stock. It is time in this movement of mummers to restore order. hi
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 08: 54
          14
          Gene 84 (Gennady)
          No offense to you, like a Don Cossack, I want to say that looking at today's mummers, shameful for their existence, real Cossacks and their history, there is a feeling that everyone is like that.
          Gennady hi , yes, I am not offended, I myself can not stand the mummers and do not understand at all how it is generally possible to "accept the Cossacks" ?! That’s really sick of these disguised faces. They cling to the hangers and walk around drunk, the form and memory of real Cossacks dishonor. And they also enrage the boards of honor, where all those in power, such as the governor, the head of the district, the mayor and their hangers-on, are all in Cossack uniform, with titles and all honorary citizens. Every thief is an honorary citizen. We recently opened a criminal case against one "honorary citizen". And I personally was present at one event, where Cossacks were chanted by Cossacks and sang praises to this "honorary citizen".
          Sick of all this!
          I, as the heir to the memory of the real Don Cossacks, look disgusting at all this, so I treat the wounded even worse than you.
      3. Moskovit
        Moskovit 21 February 2020 09: 07
        11
        I had one friend. Also a hereditary Cossack. In appearance, well, simply spilled Grigory Melikhov. Good guy. He told how his grandfather taught him - do not try to marry a Russian, just take a Cossack. And so on. I didn’t listen)). Grandfather of his grandson only recognized a couple of years.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 09: 13
          +7
          Moskovit (Alexey)
          I had one friend. Also a hereditary Cossack. In appearance, well, simply spilled Grigory Melikhov. Good guy. He told how his grandfather taught him - do not try to marry a Russian, just take a Cossack. And so on. I didn’t listen)). Grandfather of his grandson only recognized a couple of years.
          Yes, we also have such specimens. Here we also have Old Believers (Old Believers) to a fig and a trochka. Himself baptized in the old faith and wife too. So these are pretzels. In our city, of course, this is no longer the case, but in the outback, in the villages, there are still real Old Believers, they will not give water from their dishes, even if you die with thirst.
          So we have fun here with traditions and customs.
        2. Lamata
          Lamata 21 February 2020 12: 34
          +3
          There is such a thing, my paternal grandmother was from the Ural, prosperous Cossacks, and married a peasant, and even a Ukrainian from Kustanai (Kazakhstan), her father told her for a long time that she did not recognize her marriage, but the Soviets already had power, 5 years later recognized.
        3. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 21 February 2020 13: 43
          +1
          My great-grandfather whipped my grandmother with the reins when she met with a nonresident. Spanked with the words: "At least for the laborer, but for the Cossack." It turned out to be a prophecy, my grandmother married my grandfather. He was from a poor family and worked as a laborer.
      4. Horde1
        Horde1 21 February 2020 09: 09
        -17 qualifying.
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        And even though I myself am a hereditary Don Cossack, I must nevertheless note the fact that the Cossacks in civilian society were marked not so much by valor as by robberies and pogroms. However, the robbery of the Cossacks in the blood,


        good hereditary Cossack - a stream of robbers.
        Do not believe him, the Cossacks had another GLORIOUS story.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 09: 40
          15
          Horde 1 (Paul)
          good hereditary Cossack - a stream of robbers.
          Do not believe him, the Cossacks had another GLORIOUS story.
          I, unlike some, know the history of my ancestors, and its glorious pages, and those that some prefer to forget. For example, I unearthed my pedigree before the war of 1812.
          Among my ancestors were those who fought for the whites and those who were for the reds. The father of my maternal grandfather (a convinced communist), fought for the whites, was an esaul, and disappeared into civilian life. His brother, also Yesaul, was wounded in a civilian. His relatives hid firewood from the reds in a raspberry wood, then he emigrated along with the remnants of the Wrangel army, we do not know his further fate.
          Paternal great-grandfather from the rank and file, for WWI had two "george" 4th and 3rd degrees. He was forcibly mobilized by the whites into civilian life. In the very first battle with the First Cavalry, their officers left them to their fate, escaping from the battlefield. They did not resist and surrendered in red. Then he voluntarily went over to the side of the Reds and served with Budyonny until the end of the civil war. He was awarded the Order of the Military Red Banner. During the Great Patriotic War, he fought in the 5th Guards Cavalry Budapest Red Banner Don Cossack Corps, went through the whole war.

          I can tell a lot more about my ancestors. So do not tell me.

          And the history of the Cossacks, it, like the history of Russia, has both NICE pages and not very attractive ones. For example, in the raid of the skin and mammoth Cossacks, they distinguished themselves not so much with valor, as with robberies and violence of the civilian population. And instead of developing success, they plundered so much that they turned from combat-ready units into a herd of looters. Something like that was. What, can you challenge ?!
          1. Horde1
            Horde1 21 February 2020 11: 21
            -15 qualifying.
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            For example, in the raid of the skin and mammoth Cossacks, they distinguished themselves not so much with valor, as with robberies and violence of the civilian population. And instead of developing success, they plundered so much that they turned from combat-ready units into a herd of looters. Something like that was. What, can you challenge ?!

            link to the studio ...
            1. Alexander Suvorov
              Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 11: 32
              11
              Horde 1 (Paul)
              link to the studio ...
              Have you been banned in Google? He who has ears will hear, he who has eyes will see.
              However, this is apparently not your case, what links do not provide you, you will still see only what you want. Therefore, I see no reason to even strain.
              1. Horde1
                Horde1 21 February 2020 12: 29
                -13 qualifying.
                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                Therefore, I see no reason to even strain.


                Well blow into a puddle is a style of people like you Cossacks from Israel.
                You probably yourself are fuel. Lying about the Cossacks by any means?
                1. Alexander Suvorov
                  Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 12: 39
                  10
                  Horde 1 (Paul)
                  well blow into a puddle is a style of people like you

                  Blow into a puddle, this is more likely to apply to you. At first I thought you were adequate, then I ran over your comments and the former nickname Bar2 recognized you right away.
                  Therefore, talking about your adequacy is simply ridiculous, and accordingly responding to your fool questions. As I indicated above, you need to go to the olgovich’s ward, there are different ones there, including alternative agents like you.
                  Cossacks from Israel.
                  And what do I have to do with Israel? And maybe I don’t know something, maybe my relatives got there? Enlighten please.

                  Or did you insult me ​​like that? So I'm on fool patients are not offended.
                  1. Horde1
                    Horde1 21 February 2020 12: 46
                    -11 qualifying.
                    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                    And what do I have to do with Israel? And maybe I don’t know something, maybe my relatives got there? Enlighten please.

                    Or did you insult me ​​like that? So I don’t take offense at patients.


                    yes it’s me. The fact is that this site does not stand on the side of truth and not on the side of the Russians, but on the other side. I have long been here and remember how Romanov, Tersky, Sniper, Skomorokhov and, in my opinion, Smirnov, spread rot of the Cossacks by Black. This is such a task. Well, you’re just a type-shifter like a Cossack, but weaving nasty things about the Cossacks. Do you think that this is not noticeable? This is noticeable by the pluses and minuses for the comments.
                    1. Alexander Suvorov
                      Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 12: 58
                      12
                      I do not weave filth, but I say as it is and as it was. Whether you like it or not, it’s purely purple to me. And in the history of the Don Cossacks, as by the way, and in any other history, there were different moments, both light and dark. If you want to see only light ones, then these are your problems. And I accept MY (I want to emphasize) the story as it really was.
                      And I do not like at all that among the Don Cossacks there were a lot of traitors who later served in the ranks of the Wehrmacht and the SS, or you say that this was not? And Krasnov and Shkuro are never traitors? Or is this not the story that suits you personally?
                      In the history of the Don Cossacks there were the famous Azov seat, and the assault of Ishmael, and the raid of Platov, and much more glorious and famous.
                      But there were traitors in the same story, and this also needs to be remembered whether you like it or not. I remember, but as you wish, I don’t care at all. Oh, on whose opinion it seems to me violet, it’s yours.
                      1. Horde1
                        Horde1 21 February 2020 13: 40
                        -7
                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        I do not weave filth, but I say as it is and as it was.

                        until there is a correct link, this is just nasty things and a gag.



                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        And Krasnov and Shkuro are never traitors?


                        and whom did they betray, the king and the fatherland? No, they did not betray. Hitler deceived not only Krasnov or Shkuro, but all Germans, and ALL Germans were criminals in relation to the Russians, but the Russians did not destroy all Germans, why did the Cossacks affect such a fate? There is another reason. THIS STORY tells us that the Cossacks should be forgotten or how you slander.
                        But it is necessary to talk not only about Hitler, but also about those who created it. The British were the first to create concentration camps, who destroyed HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND Irish, Boers and Negroes, Indians. The Americans destroyed MILLIONS of Indians, bison, brought to naught many commercial species animals. They prepared this war.
                        No country has such Internet forums where our history is read as differently as ours, and this is not casual. Our history is based on a big lie about our ancestors, about humanity and about the Cossacks, as about the best troops of our state.
                      2. Alexander Suvorov
                        Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 13: 59
                        +6
                        Horde 1 (Paul)
                        until the link is correct
                        For you it will not, and I already wrote why.
                        and whom did they betray, the king and the fatherland? No betrayed
                        Yes, you really need to be treated. They betrayed their MOTHERLAND first of all! By the way, they also betrayed the king and the fatherland, like all white-bellied ones. None of them defended the king. However, the king also betrayed them, so here they are even.
                        Hitler tricked not only Krasnov or Shkuro
                        No, you definitely have trouble with your head! Hitler deceived Krasnov and Shkuro ?! Are you seriously? And in what did he deceive them?
                        I strongly doubt that Hitler personally met this or that.
                        Hitler deceived all Germans
                        What did he deceive the Germans? He promised them the great Reich, he gave them to them. He promised them that the Germans would rule the world, and so they ruled all of Europe (well, he’d lied a little).
                        Hitler did not deceive the Germans in anything, but did exactly what they wanted. And do not here the German people to expose innocent lambs. Our cities and villages were not burned by Hitler, but by a specific Hans, Fritz or German. And our people were shot, burned and hung up quite concrete, not abstract Germans.
                        why did such a fate affect only the Cossacks?
                        What specific Cossacks destroyed the Soviet government? If everyone were destroyed, I wouldn’t correspond with you now.
                        However, before whom am I here to beads with a sword? You, in a good way, for your statements must be prosecuted, for the rehabilitation of Nazism.
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                    2. Alexey RA
                      Alexey RA 21 February 2020 14: 57
                      +2
                      Quote: Horde1
                      and whom did they betray, the king and the fatherland?

                      But how else can one regard the appeal to the head of a state at war with Russia with a request to recognize the Don Army (formed from the lands of the Empire) as an independent neutral state?
                      This, forgive me, is clear intercourse with the enemy during the war, separatism and a separate peace. For this, the Empire did not stroke the head. Plus, in the same letter was a proposal for food supplies (violation of the blockade of the Reich) and a request for military assistance (invitation of enemy troops to the territory of the Empire).
                      So even by imperial laws, Krasnov could well be judged.

                      The letter of the chieftain Peter Krasnov to the German Kaiser Wilhelm was written on May 18, 1918 - even during the WWII. White did not recognize raunchy world? wink
                    3. Horde1
                      Horde1 21 February 2020 18: 52
                      -6
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      But how else can one regard the appeal to the head of a state at war with Russia with a request to recognize the Don Army (formed from the lands of the Empire) as an independent neutral state?


                      I do not know this fact. So that during the civil war, for example, many Bolsheviks surrendered our lands to the Germans (Brest Peace), is it not a fact? And the fact that Kolchak, a favorite of the current authorities, the English citizen himself kept his army at the expense of deliveries from abroad at the expense of Russian gold, is it not a fact? But the fact that Lenin gave freedom to Poland, Finland, Manchuria-squandered such vast territories that immediately became hostile to the USSR, isn't that a fact?
                      So to accuse some Cossacks of collaborating with enemies is to distort the facts. Who is who, and the Cossacks were most of all for their homeland, for Russia.
                    4. gsev
                      gsev 23 February 2020 21: 28
                      +1
                      Quote: Horde1
                      But the fact that Lenin gave freedom to Poland, Finland, Manchuria-squandered such vast territories that immediately became hostile to the USSR, isn't that a fact?

                      Read the memoirs of the leader of the Right SRs V. Chernov. He says in them that back in the spring of 1914, he discussed with the emissary of Pilsudski how many Russian lands should go to the new Polish state after the next war.
                    5. Alexey RA
                      Alexey RA 26 February 2020 18: 44
                      0
                      Quote: Horde1
                      The fact that during the Civil War, for example, many Bolsheviks surrendered our lands to the Germans (Brest Peace), is it not a fact?

                      This is not about the Bolsheviks - with them, and so everything is clear. And about one of the leaders of the Cossacks and the White movement - Krasnov.
                      Quote: Horde1
                      So to accuse some Cossacks of collaborating with enemies is to distort the facts. Who is who, and the Cossacks were most of all for their homeland, for Russia.

                      For which Russia? Krasnov from single and indivisible he pulled out a cozy piece of the independent state of the Don Army - and still asked the Germans to help expand its borders to Tsaritsyn.
                      The fact that the Cossacks fought for their homeland is a fact. But not for Russia. And for their land. Read Denikin - how Krasnov put the poles in the wheels of the White Movement, how he robbed the Cossacks, how he tried to put his paw on Drozdovsky’s detachment, how he tried to send the Volunteer Army to fight for the interests of the Don army.
                2. Sergey S.
                  Sergey S. 22 February 2020 07: 53
                  +4
                  Quote: Horde1
                  and whom did they betray, the king and the fatherland? No, they did not betray. Hitler deceived not only Krasnov or Shkuro, but all Germans

                  Please note that this is not nonsense.
                  This is a conscious position.
                  A kind of "high-like-like".

                  It is not even necessary to comment. And so everything is clear.
                  What is written after that no longer matters. I did not read further.
            2. Looking for
              Looking for 21 February 2020 17: 53
              +5
              judging by your profile. you registered on the site just a week ago (February 14, 2020). By the way, do you know how much "shit" there is among the so-called "Cossacks"?
    3. Moskovit
      Moskovit 21 February 2020 17: 40
      +4
      Are you pretending Type in Yandex (if Google is not kosher): Wrangel about Mamontov’s raid, for example. There will come out a lot of things. About the robbery of churches, about the battles of the White Guards among themselves for the booty ....
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 21 February 2020 08: 24
    +7
    This caused a conflict with the Don people, who tried to force the Kuban to fight.

    And why is it Kuban to go and die for the liberation of the villages on the Don? Donets in 1919, after occupying their villages, were also not going to leave anywhere. One mentality. To the author - respect.
    1. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 21 February 2020 17: 55
      +3
      And here some argue that ALL white Cossacks fought for great Russia ... request
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 21 February 2020 21: 55
        +1
        This is one of those that even the classics - "Quiet Flows the Don" have not been read, and the role of the Cossacks in the Civil War is generally represented exclusively through films and writings of crushers.
  • BAI
    BAI 21 February 2020 09: 23
    +4
    There are good authors in the "A. Samsonov" collective - without the Russian matrix and the intrigues of the West.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 21 February 2020 09: 31
    -10 qualifying.
    1-th Army Vasilenko
    according to the sentencespy, terrorist, saboteur. Destroyed.
    8th Army of Sokolnikov
    Sokolnikov-nickname.
    Name- Hirsch Yakovlevich Diamond according to the sentencespyterrorist. destroyed
    9-th Army Dushkevich
    according to the sentencespyterrorist.
    Destroyed
    organizer of the red cavalry units Boris Mokeevich Dumenko
    according to the verdict of the owls "court" -anti-Semite and anti-Soviet. Destroyed.

    amazing fate of commandant Dumenko -Nosova: was shot along with Dumenko. but ... survived, dug out of the grave, after some time he was again caught and again pinned to death!
    At the last moment, he was replaced by a concentration camp, served time, went out, survived 37g and died in a drunken fight as much as 40th anniversary October belay

    PS Yes, white. it turns out, innocent babies compared to these heroes ... yes
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 09: 47
      +7
      Olgovich (Andrey)
      according to the sentence of the HCVF of the USSR, spy, terrorist, saboteur. Destroyed.
      In the morning, olgovich had no time to get a hangover with a Romanian barmatuha, when he sat down on his beloved skate ... laughing
      Any other arguments? Except for your favorite "spies", who were in fair numbers.
      Among your whites in general are solid thieves and traitors to Russia and its people, so do not you crow about spies.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 21 February 2020 10: 21
        -11 qualifying.
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        Any other arguments?

        belay regarding what, Macedonian?
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        Among your whites in general are solid thieves and traitors to Russia and its people, so do not you crow about spies.

        Uh, honey, you're not Copenhagen at all. lol

        Ask at least neighbor Napolenon, even he knows that:

        Prosecutor General of the USSR Vyshinsky recognized (see his accusatory speech of 1937) of your red heroes Higher echelon of the leadership of the USSR (USSR Predsminina, Marshals, People's Commissars of the Red Army, NKVD, industry, members of the Politburo of the Central Committee, etc.) "branch of SS and GESTAPO",

        and this is besides the wild espionage with the transfer to Hitler and Japan of the STRATEGIC defense plans of the USSR, treason -opening borders to the enemy destruction of the red army and defense industry, s / farms, etc.

        Yes, white innocent naughty against the background of monsters of such proportions yes
        1. Sugar Honeyovich
          Sugar Honeyovich 21 February 2020 11: 16
          12
          White just shortened his hands on time. Otherwise, they would have done this - now they would have considered the red innocent minxes. wink
      2. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 21 February 2020 10: 27
        17
        Yeah ... How much time has passed, but I look nothing changes. Frantic lovers of French buns still rave about? But where are the other belolentochnye, soldiers there, all kinds of warranties?

        All involved in February 23 with the upcoming holiday boys! All health, good luck, peace and prosperity in the family, as well as all that you want to wish for yourself!
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 10: 30
          +5
          Thank you for congratulations Dianochka! love Glad to see you in good health. Where have you been for so long?
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            1. Alexander Suvorov
              Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 10: 46
              +9
              Diana Ilyina (Diana)
              In the decree was, with a little daughter sat.

              Accept my sincere congratulations !!! love love love Motherhood, one of the best female jewelry. I am sincerely happy for you! good drinks
      3. fuxila
        fuxila 21 February 2020 15: 35
        -2
        A little higher in the commentary, you were offended by the Horde1 for the fact that he ranked you as Israel and demand an answer for the words - "And what is my relation to Israel ... please enlighten." Here I agree with you ... But you immediately dump some kind of slop on Olgovich that he is getting drunk with a Romanian "barmatuha". If you really are a Cossack and are responsible for your words, then you must back it up with evidence, otherwise what are your claims to the Horde? Or, as Smoked: "You can't tell in a joke conversation. You were joking, I laughed too."
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 15: 44
          +3
          fuxila (Alexey Lisitsyn)
          A little higher in the commentary you were offended by Horde1 because he ranked you as Israel
          Offended ?! It will be very greasy. I don’t take offense at patients on a head. Anyway, it’s difficult to offend me, and certainly no one can do it at VO.
          But you yourself immediately dump some kind of slop on Olgovich
          Excuse me, did you hire a lawyer for olgovich?
          that he gets drunk on the Romanian "barmatuha".

          I do not like Romanian, let it be Moldavian, radish horseradish is not sweeter. Or do you not know that someone is olgovich, a citizen of Moldova?
          If you really are a Cossack and are responsible for your words, then you must back it up with evidence.
          And what specific evidence do you need? More precisely, evidence of what?

          Anyway, we are not in court, you are not an official lawyer, and I am not a defendant to give you anything specifically.
          1. fuxila
            fuxila 23 February 2020 06: 56
            0
            I don’t get anybody into lawyers, I have my own opinion, which often does not coincide with the conditionally “red” or “white”. But surely you yourself understand that turning to the person when discussing historical events, and even 100 years ago, you are wrong. This, judging by the comments, many sin, just in this case, too striking.
        2. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 21 February 2020 15: 56
          +1
          P.S. And I don’t need to throw this here
          If you really are a Cossack
          , you can’t take me weakly. In principle, I don’t care who you personally consider me to be, whether you want Udmurt, you want to be a Jew, it makes me neither hot nor cold. The main thing is who I consider myself.
          At this Adyu you with a brush, it's time for my family.
    2. Sneaky Urus
      Sneaky Urus 21 February 2020 11: 59
      -3
      the Stalinists always have one answer to this - all this time they have skillfully disguised themselves as decent people. wink
      1. Lamata
        Lamata 21 February 2020 12: 04
        +2
        And you do not highlight the understanding of who the Stalinists are?
    3. Looking for
      Looking for 21 February 2020 18: 00
      +1
      when you give such "arguments". I doubt your adequacy ..
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      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 22 February 2020 10: 37
        -6
        Quote: karabass
        What the hell NOSES? Kravchenko (aka Kravtsov) Sergey Nikolaevich - it was he who was shot along with Dumenko, Abramov MN, Blekhert IF and Kolpakov MG
        You have to be more careful, otherwise it’s in the heat struggle с Suvorov began to talk!

        1. What .... "Suvorov", on? fool

        I did not answer ANYONE, my comment was first.

        Twice sentenced and survivor - that's what is interesting

        2. With the "Suvorovs", "Napoleons and other" Macedonian-do not fight, it goes away by itself (or not), do not talk!
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  • Sneaky Urus
    Sneaky Urus 21 February 2020 11: 05
    -1
    after reading the impression that White won Budyonny. wink In fact, operations of this kind are not planned overnight. Former colonel of the tsarist army, Shorin, was transferred to another job for a conflict with Budyonny and moron Voroshilov - Shorin accused the 1st cavalry of drunkenness and looting. But the origin of the two red characters won, and Commander-in-Chief Sergei Sergeich Kamenev (also a military expert) took Shorin to his place. But at first it was not Tukhachevsky who took command, but also the former. Colonel of the Emperor Afanasyev has been Shorin's permanent chief of staff practically since the beginning of the Civil War, for Comrade Afanasyev graduated from the Nikolaev Academy of the General Staff. Tukhachevsky also left the former. His Excellency with him the Chief of Staff of the Caucasian Front. What are the front headquarters doing? That's right - by planning operations. Afanasyev was "lucky". He died in 1935, having lived up to the hour of He in the 37th. wink Shorin, as usual, was shot.
  • Operator
    Operator 21 February 2020 13: 45
    +2
    In the Russian Federation, it is high time to end the circus called "Cossacks".
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 21 February 2020 18: 02
      +1
      Cossack women, "mummers" in Russia.
      1. Lamata
        Lamata 21 February 2020 19: 53
        +1
        And lope I saw them in Rostov, oh wei !!! At Easter, drunk in the Temple of God, I am not a very believing person, but I was greatly distorted.
  • 22 kino
    22 kino 21 February 2020 15: 39
    +5
    What a battle near "Sredne Yegorlykskaya", there is the village of Sredne Yegorlyk (then it was also called that way), and in common parlance Lezhanka, there was no battle there. A horse battle in the amount of 20-25 thousand took place near the village of Yegorlykskaya on March 1, 1920, and this information is correct, because I was born here, there is a monument about this event. The author, nevertheless, when you write an article on historical topics, you need to be more attentive to the names of settlements, this information is even in Wikipedia.
  • Fishery
    Fishery 21 February 2020 20: 27
    0
    how many Stalinist capitalists)))))) amazing chimeras
  • Corrie sanders
    Corrie sanders 21 February 2020 21: 04
    -2
    Reconnaissance of the Budyonny army on time discovered the enemy, the units turned around. On the left wing, the 6th cavalry division of Tymoshenko met the marching columns of the 4th Don Corps with machine-gun and artillery fire, and then attacked. The whites were overturned. The 2nd Don Corps, led by General Pavlov, went to the 20th Division in the center and began to deploy for attack, but then it was covered with artillery fire by the 4th Cavalry Division of Gorodovikov from the left wing, then the 11th Cavalry Division attacked from the right wing. in battle order to attack, but artillery fire of the 4th Cavalry Division fell from the right flank, and then the 11th Cavalry Division attacked from the east. After that, the 4th Cavalry Division went on the attack.
    White cavalry was defeated, lost about 1 thousand people only prisoners, 29 guns, 100 machine guns and fled


    what nonsense ???? The author fell for the fact that he mixed agitation rubbish for the small-gramme from the 30s with the political-publishing waste paper of the 60-70s, which these "konarmeytsy" themselves wrote on retirement. The author does not at all give both descriptions from the whites (and there are many of them), and foreign-language sources - and they quite impartially describe the history of the Russian turmoil. For example, a description of this battle from its participant, Lieutenant of Horse Artillery S.I. Mamontov, p. 230-233 (http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/mamontov_si/index.html):

    “It was 10 am on February 17, 1920. The red units appeared undeployed, but in the reserve columns, visible as dark rectangles .... Now the entire hillside was covered with dark squares - regiments and batteries. There were even too many targets. We didn’t shoot Many of the red batteries were defeated, did not even have time to withdraw from the front; apparently, they had little experience in field warfare.I think that we managed to crush the red artillery, because the lively fire of the red batteries at the beginning of the battle began to weaken and When we were convinced that the red artillery was almost finished, the horse battle was in full swing at the bottom of the stream. It was difficult to make out where ours and where the red ones. It was impossible to shoot there - you can inflict losses on our own. But we directed the fire on the Red reserves, which were in the middle of the slope and are still in the reserve columns, without turning around. The Reds should have suffered heavy losses from our fire. It even seems that these reserves did not enter the battle due to heavy losses.
    It was a complete impression that the red command was at a loss. He had no experience in maneuvering with large masses of cavalry. It did not try to cover our flanks, despite the enormous numerical superiority, did not even try to expand the front. They were all perls, like rams, in one direction, and perls in reserve columns, which greatly increased their losses.
    Budyonny got used to easy successes. Usually, when the masses of his cavalry appeared, everything fled and he only had to pursue. He did not prepare for resistance, this was a surprise, and he was confused and was unable to change the battle plan. Yes, he probably had no plan. The Wahmister. I must say that our plan was also violated by the absence of Cossacks in the battle. With the participation of the Cossacks there would have been a complete rout of Budyonny .... If the Red Command saved, then their soldiers fought well. There were counter attacks, which is very rare. Usually at the last second one of the opponents turns. In the evening, the Terek Cossack Cavalry Division, under the command of General Agoev, seized the left flank of the Reds and forced them to retreat. .... I think that Budyonny, going to Yegorlytskaya, was aware of the success of the red propaganda among the Cossacks and counted on easy success. And then suddenly he stumbled upon our building and received an energetic rebuff, and that was at a loss. The Reds retreated, the battlefield was ours"

    Here is the result of the battle - "The Reds retreated, the battlefield is left behind us." Even S.M. Budyonny in his "Traveled Way" modestly keeps silent about the specific outcome of the battle, famously passing on to some trifles, although even in 1970 he admits that "our losses, unfortunately, were great."

    Here are also the first-person recollections of the hussar captain Golm from the English-language book by A.P. Golm "Raisins in the battles for Russia": “Everything has mixed up. I shot the two nearest Red Army men, several horsemen galloped past me ... In this clash of two large masses of cavalry, the initial success was on our side, and a swift attack of the brigade of General Barbovich and several Cossack regiments threw the red cavalry back across the Yegorlyk River "

    So, in fact, Budyonny, without reconnaissance, ran into the cavalry of the whites, tried to win by number and in a snap, but suffered heavy losses and withdrew.

    About the same Budyonny described the events of the Second World War, - in the book he seems to be constantly beating and depriving the Germans, but in reality he was draping, his heels sparkled, the cities surrendered by dozens and hundreds were counted
  • st2st
    st2st 22 February 2020 06: 49
    +4
    Antokha Denikin was, and will be scum. And attempts to whitewash him are an abomination.
  • ANB
    ANB 22 February 2020 20: 55
    +2
    Quote: Horde1
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    For example, in the raid of the skin and mammoth Cossacks, they distinguished themselves not so much with valor, as with robberies and violence of the civilian population. And instead of developing success, they plundered so much that they turned from combat-ready units into a herd of looters. Something like that was. What, can you challenge ?!

    link to the studio ...

    This is not the first time I see the requirements in the comments "links to the studio".
    1. The site is not a Field of Miracles, no studio
    2. Links to anything on the Internet can in no way be evidence of anything.
    Evidence on the Internet is looking for the company Wild Cat.
    You can find / write on the Internet anything you want. And the exact opposite. Illiteracy of the lion's share of Internet users is sometimes simply amazing.
    3. On this site in the cycle about the Civil War of the same author there is also a description of the campaign of Shkuro and Mamontov. Following your logic - quite a reference and evidence. Links right at the end of the article.
    4. Some authors delve into archives, travel to museums. Share photos. Moreover, they stubbornly require some kind of links. At the same time, for some reason they don’t want to go and see something in the archive / museum (since photos are not trusted).
  • place
    place 25 February 2020 17: 45
    -1
    In itself, the emergence of Denikin's Volunteer Army in 1918 in the territories of Ukraine-Pridonye, ​​controlled by the Germans, has always remained "behind the scenes" in the narratives and epics of the "patriotic forces".

    "Cossacks are volunteers" on their own, the Germans are on their own. For some reason, only the Bolsheviks were supposed to fight the Germans, but the onygads concluded the Brest-Litovsk Peace Treaty in order to strangle the Russian people ....... The Russian hero, a brave and good fellow, General Kornilov fought against the Bolsheviks, having Germans in the rear, but this he was not worried at all ....... And yet another dashing patriot, General Krasnov, repeated his unparalleled feat in 1942.

    As a result, KRASNOV WAS DRUNTED IN LEFORTOVO TOGETHER WITH VLASOV IN 1947, AND DENIKIN WAS FUNERAL IN 1947 IN THE USA. With the honors of "the commander-in-chief of the army, allied to the United States" - which is probably even more shameful.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 26 February 2020 13: 31
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    Quote: Lamata
    Wrangel’s memoirs describe it so harshly about the mess in the rear of Denikin, the rear states are inflated, most officers don’t want to fight, drunkenness, theft (there’s nothing to say about any ideology), which, in the end, welcomes, to begin with, the Novorossiysk disaster .

    And Slashchev has the same thing about Wrangel. One result
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 26 February 2020 13: 35
    -1
    Quote: ort
    In itself, the emergence of Denikin's Volunteer Army in 1918 in the territories of Ukraine-Pridonye, ​​controlled by the Germans, has always remained "behind the scenes" in the narratives and epics of the "patriotic forces".

    "Cossacks are volunteers" on their own, the Germans are on their own. For some reason, only the Bolsheviks were supposed to fight the Germans, but the onygads concluded the Brest-Litovsk Peace Treaty in order to strangle the Russian people ....... The Russian hero, a brave and good fellow, General Kornilov fought against the Bolsheviks, having Germans in the rear, but this he was not worried at all ....... And yet another dashing patriot, General Krasnov, repeated his unparalleled feat in 1942.

    As a result, KRASNOV WAS DRUNTED IN LEFORTOVO TOGETHER WITH VLASOV IN 1947, AND DENIKIN WAS FUNERAL IN 1947 IN THE USA. With the honors of "the commander-in-chief of the army, allied to the United States" - which is probably even more shameful.

    The Germans didn’t fight at that time, not before
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 26 February 2020 13: 39
    0
    Quote: st2st
    Antokha Denikin was, and will be scum. And attempts to whitewash him are an abomination.

    Sorry, but more than half of the participants of those times on both sides were scum. Hard times, you know.