Turkish army supports militant offensive in Idlib


On Wednesday, Recep Erdogan issued a warning that the operation of the Turkish armed forces could begin at any time in the Syrian province of Idlib. The Turkish Anadolu agency, which reported this, quoted Erdogan’s main demand: "The forces of the Bashar al-Assad regime must stop their aggressive actions and move beyond the de-escalation zone."


Some time ago, it became known that Syrian militants, with the support of Turkish special forces, attacked the SAA in the area of ​​Nairab. Syrian troops repelled the first onslaught of the enemy, but he, regrouping, went on a new offensive. At the moment, part of Nairab has come under the control of militants.

Against this background, it is worth talking about whether the Turkish army, or rather directly Erdogan, has weak spots in Syria.

The argument against the opposition


Many experts regarded this statement and the steps of the Turkish leader as a manifestation of his neo-Ottoman policy. The fact is that Erdogan made his ultimatum statement at a meeting of the parliamentary faction of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP).

The backbone of this conservative party is riddled with neo-Ottoman sentiment, implying a resurgence of Turkey’s political influence in territories formerly in its imperial possessions. This politicum now often recalls the vow made at the last meeting by members of the Ottoman parliament.

They vowed at all costs to return the lands lost by the empire. This list also includes the northwestern provinces of modern Syria, partially controlled today by the Turkish military. In Ankara, this circumstance was regarded as the beginning of the fulfillment by President Erdogan of the vow of the last Ottoman deputies.

The Turkish leader himself revived the topic. Recently, he criticized the opposition, demanding the completion of a military mission to Syria and the start of direct negotiations with Assad. Erdogan then directly referred to the vow of the Ottomans and called on the nation to consolidate to fulfill it.

Trump promises support


Against the background of patriotic rhetoric that has swept Turkey, it is noteworthy that, before his statement in parliament, Recep Erdogan spoke by telephone with US President Donald Trump. The American leader promised his Turkish counterpart support.

“The parties during the conversation agreed that the attacks of the Syrian forces in the Idlib region are unacceptable, and exchanged views on how to end this crisis,” the Erdogan administration said in a press release.

Meanwhile, when the Turkish leader launched a military operation in the Kurdish areas of Syria last October, the Americans did not help Erdogan in his cross-border operation, and Turkey restrained its appetites. Why did this time Trump and Erdogan agree?

The answer can be found in the replica of the Permanent Representative of Russia to the UN Vasily Nebenzi, voiced at a meeting of the Security Council. The Permanent Representative advised the Americans to stop supporting the militants of the Hayat Tahrir Al-Sham group (created on the basis of the Jabhat al-Nusra banned in Russia).

Referring to the speech of US representative James Jeffrey, who said that “it’s kind of possible to negotiate with this group,” Nebenzya recalled the position of Russia. It will not allow "to provide political cover for terrorists and force the Syrian government to negotiate with them."

A senior Russian diplomat, in fact, confirmed what experts have been saying for a long time: Americans supply money to militants in Idlib and weapons, provide them with information and political support. Erdogan also knows this, so he called Trump so as not to run into the interests of the United States in Syria.

Turkish army with its policy


There is another interested party in this topic - the Turkish army. Cleared after the attempted coup of 2016, it has changed little. The decades when the Turkish army was a state in a state have not been in vain for the country.

After all, the entire political extraterritoriality of the Turkish military was formed in American academies and NATO headquarters. Today, in place of the generals and officers dismissed by Erdogan, who had compromised themselves by the coup, other people who had been fostered by the same Western centers came.

It is possible that because of their opposition, Recep Erdogan could not fulfill his promise - to separate the moderate opposition in Idlib from the terrorists and remove the militants from the province. Instead, Hayat Tahrir Al-Sham has grown and began to control almost the entire de-escalation zone.

The renaissance of the terrorist group arose on money and weapons that entered Idlib through Turkish territory. Maybe someone thinks that such a volume of funds and cargo was transported by ordinary smugglers, but it could not have done without the participation of the Turkish military, controlling the border area.

The Turkish military in Syria has its own policy different from Erdogan, as evidenced by the recent relocation of the Koral electronic warfare system (EW) complex to Idlib. This is a Turkish development similar to our "Kraukha". According to experts, it can coolly pat the nerves of Russian pilots from Khmeimim.

It turns out that the Turkish military relocated Koral to deter the Russian VKS. Then this is more consistent with the position of Washington than Ankara. Indeed, just the other day, Recep Erdogan, in connection with the situation in the Syrian province of Idlib, told Turkish reporters: “There is no need to get involved in a conflict or in a serious dispute with Russia at the moment, we will discuss everything, but without anger, taking into account that we there are joint initiatives of a special strategic nature. ”

The Turkish Foreign Ministry adheres to a similar position. “Turkey will strengthen contacts with Russia to resolve the situation in Idlib,” Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said in an interview with TRT on Thursday.

The Turkish military must now hear both its president and the opinion of the foreign ministry. Most likely, they will be corrected. Minister Cavusoglu told the channel that contacts between Turkey and Russia will now intensify. “Perhaps the meeting between the presidents of Turkey and Russia, Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Vladimir Putin, will take place.” Ankara does not want to complicate our bilateral relations because of the Syrian Idlib. But if it does take place, it is now in today's realities: Turkish troops support the militants' offensive, Turkish special forces are involved, the Turkish army openly opposed the SAA in Idlib.
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  1. Lamata 20 February 2020 17: 33 New
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    Our kings, it seems, had a vow to recapture Constantinople from the Hagarians !!! Yes, and straits are needed. Will we start to perform?
    1. Swordserg 20 February 2020 17: 38 New
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      laughing funny but somehow sad laughing again do not give a quiet life
      1. Terenin 20 February 2020 20: 14 New
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        Quote: Swordserg
        laughing funny but somehow sad laughing again do not give a quiet life

        Oh how!? When is it, on planet Earth, Russia was allowed to live in peace ??? winked


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        1. Lamata 20 February 2020 20: 22 New
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          We entered the civil war in Spain. The officers did not fight. Forgot about Mozambique
          1. Terenin 20 February 2020 20: 27 New
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            Quote: Lamata
            We entered the civil war in Spain. The officers did not fight.

            Well, how else can you fight without fit in? request
            1. Doctor 20 February 2020 21: 00 New
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              Well, how else can you fight without getting in?

              Like the Finns.
    2. dorz 20 February 2020 17: 38 New
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      Turkish media reported that Ankara asked the United States to place 2 batteries of Patriot air defense systems on the border with Syria. The Turkish Ministry of Defense stated that today the Turks have 2s and 200s. The losses were caused by airstrikes, the Turkish military died as a result of an attack on Kmenas.
      1. Aaron Zawi 20 February 2020 18: 02 New
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        Quote: dorz
        Turkish media reported that Ankara asked the United States to place 2 batteries of Patriot air defense systems on the border with Syria. The Turkish Ministry of Defense stated that today the Turks have 2s and 200s. The losses were caused by airstrikes, the Turkish military died as a result of an attack on Kmenas.

        VKS strike in the Kamens area.
    3. Aerodrome 20 February 2020 17: 39 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      Will we start to perform?

      Poznyak rushing about ... gut thin None .. "partners" around. "
      1. Lamata 20 February 2020 17: 49 New
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        Zrada, around one zrada)))))
    4. SanSanych Gusev 20 February 2020 17: 39 New
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      The latter seems to have been shot in 18.
      1. Lamata 20 February 2020 17: 50 New
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        I.V. Stalin, as it seems to me, was also kumec about this, but did not grow together.
    5. Thrifty 20 February 2020 18: 27 New
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      For the Kremlin, this is the moment of truth — or we will support the people and army of Syria, or Russia's authority, as well as confidence in it, will fall below the plinth! There is no time to think, act and immediately.
      1. karabass 20 February 2020 21: 51 New
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        Yes, yes, all Russians as one are ready to die in Syria for ... And for something there (in Syria) do not tell us to die?
    6. w70
      w70 20 February 2020 20: 05 New
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      The only thing the Turks know how to do is pour us whiskey with cola
    7. maidan.izrailovich 21 February 2020 04: 17 New
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      Lamata (Igor)
      Our kings, it seems, had a vow to recapture Constantinople from agaryan!!!

      Hagarians are not Turks.
      Hagar [3] (Hebrew הגר, Hagar [source not specified 171 days], wanderer; Greek Άγαρ; Latin Agar; Arabic. هاجر, Hajar) - Egyptian, slave, servant of Sarah during the childlessness of the latter, became a concubine of Abraham and gave birth to his son Ishmael
      Hagar went south, settled in the Arabian desert, where Ishmael subsequently became the ancestor arab tribesnicknamed Ishmaelites (by his name) and Hagarins (by the name of his mother).

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C
    8. Ka-52 21 February 2020 05: 25 New
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      Lamata (Igor) Yesterday,
      Will we start to perform?
      And here in VO it is full of conciliators !!!

      usually those who write "are we not going to fight weakly" are not the first to go into battle. And indeed, they don’t go to battle from the word at all. Preferring to fight on the Internet
      1. NordUral 21 February 2020 18: 03 New
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        I agree, but do what? We climbed into Syria for the interests of the oligarchs, and now what - to start a war with the Turks? And where is the guarantee that NATO will not come up? And not to venture - to wipe yourself and leave in disgrace? So late to do it. So this is only one thing - to explain to the Turks and Co. that it is not worth fighting with Russia.
        And for this, at the time of X, we need the will and determination to fight back severely so that thoughts do not appear about repetition. Otherwise, as historical experience says, we get both war and shame (as one bad, but smart man from the British Isles said).
  2. snifer 20 February 2020 17: 39 New
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    The situation is stalemate, if Turkey falters with all its might and then the SAA threatens defeat, if we harness it there is a possibility of a big war with Turkey.
    1. Lamata 20 February 2020 19: 51 New
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      AA Atutna VO is full of conciliators !!!! Cowards and zradnik
  3. Arthur 85 20 February 2020 17: 39 New
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    What is going on there? Where is the UN, (censorship)? If it is completely useless, it must be dispersed to the devil. Why are there several thousand idlers getting 10 of my salaries every month?
    1. Lamata 20 February 2020 19: 52 New
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      And and the status at them, ogogo, and conceit.
    2. Lamata 20 February 2020 19: 52 New
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      Parkinson's laws in action.
  4. Aaron Zawi 20 February 2020 17: 47 New
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    BTG Turkey is moving to the Neurob.
  5. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 February 2020 17: 52 New
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    None of this would have happened if Russia had given a truly harsh answer to the downed Su-24. Alas, this did not happen, and now Erdogan is confident that the initiative is on his side and is not afraid to use force, confronting Putin with a fact.
    1. Lamata 20 February 2020 18: 05 New
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      Andrey, so here recently, some activist claimed that there was an answer, but did not specify which
      1. Siberian 66 20 February 2020 18: 26 New
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        Kurds say a bus with Turkish pilots blew up. There were a lot of corpses. But we have nothing to do with, these are all Kurds.
    2. God save the king 20 February 2020 18: 06 New
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      And how could Russia answer then? What are your options?
      Only please, without unrealistic fantasies beyond common sense.
    3. flicker 20 February 2020 18: 19 New
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      Erdogan is now confident that the initiative is on his side and is not afraid to use force, confronting Putin with a fact.
      Erdogan is nobody there and there is no way to call him. Fidan steers everything in Turkey, graduated from a magistracy in the USA, then a dizzying career and he is already the head of Turkish intelligence. It seems that he should keep an eye on the "Headless Horseman", he also directs and instructs the "rider's body." The "rider" himself is fearful (that is why it is cruel), he often rushes from one decision to another. Fidan, as head of intelligence, “corrects him and tells what to do.”
      Will the war or not depends on Fidan.
    4. Klingon 20 February 2020 18: 32 New
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      and it was necessary to put pressure on the tourism sector harder, so maybe mass protests would start against Edik. Striped methods had to work and not pull the gas pipe
  6. Aliken 20 February 2020 17: 53 New
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    The moment of truth.
  7. Old Horseradish 20 February 2020 17: 53 New
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    This is the "partner"! This is a "friend"! These oligarchic monkeys who give the loot - that and a friend. And you have to pay for such a "friendship" with blood.
  8. Boris Ivanov 20 February 2020 17: 57 New
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    in case of war or war threat .. Turks will block the straits. there will be problems with logistics, with supply.
    1. Livonetc 20 February 2020 17: 59 New
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      Hypothetically, one option is to negotiate with Iraq.
      1. God save the king 20 February 2020 18: 04 New
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        Even for this transport corridor, it will still have to negotiate with Iran and the Kurds, just as the cost of deliveries will skyrocket.
        1. Livonetc 20 February 2020 18: 13 New
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          It is not difficult to agree with Iran and the Kurds.
          Harder with Iran.
          The cost will be high if by air.
          But what if by land route?
          1. Lannan Shi 20 February 2020 18: 32 New
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            Quote: Livonetc
            But what if by land route?

            Ugums, ogums. Afghanistan, convoys, version 2.0. Only a shoulder 100 times more. And, accordingly, losses.
            1. Livonetc 20 February 2020 18: 38 New
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              Why Afghanistan?
              Russia Iran Iraq Syria.
              I did not immediately understand the analogy.
              There will be no such alignment.
              Although Turkey will not block the strait.
    2. faterdom 20 February 2020 20: 02 New
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      Overlapping the straits is a war in itself. It’s just that this decision cannot be organized with impunity.
    3. Terenin 20 February 2020 20: 40 New
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      Quote: Boris Ivanov
      in case of war or war threat .. Turks will block the straits. there will be problems with logistics, with supply.

      Then there will be problems not only with logistics, but this apocalyptic scenario, obviously yes will have disastrous consequences for Turkey itself
    4. maidan.izrailovich 21 February 2020 04: 31 New
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      in case of war or war threat .. Turks will block the straits. there will be problems with logistics, with supply.

      Yes, you might have to curtail your presence in Syria. But not a fact. Most likely, Iran would help organize logistics on the other hand. After all, Tehran is no less interested in Moscow than Syria to withstand.
      And other. Why do many people think that Russia cannot (or could not) act like Iran after the assassination of Suleimani? I think that she could and can. At the first attack of the Turkish Air Force on the Russian military, raze the Incirlik.
  9. Chaldon48 20 February 2020 17: 57 New
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    The USA really wants to push Turkey and Russia against their foreheads.
    1. boss 20 February 2020 19: 05 New
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      How can I minus the correct comment ???
      hey, minusers, you say that the united states is for the friendship and good neighborly relations of Turkey with Russia?
      but the United States is worried about the establishment of such relations, even threatened with sanctions against Turkey
    2. maidan.izrailovich 21 February 2020 04: 35 New
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      The USA really wants to push Turkey and Russia against their foreheads.

      This should have been discussed before acting in Syria. And since we are there, we must be prepared for such a clash. And do not pass. And act decisively. Iran is many times weaker than Russia militarily. But he doesn’t give in to anyone.
      1. Chaldon48 21 February 2020 09: 16 New
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        But is Russia giving in Syria, Russia is maneuvering, a full-blown conflict with Turkey is not needed for Russia.
  10. Livonetc 20 February 2020 17: 58 New
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    Their wards with one foot in the grave.
    And the Turks pulled up behind them.
    "The doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue."
  11. Scipio 20 February 2020 18: 04 New
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    It's time to throw the Marine Corps from other fleets and a couple of Airborne divisions to Crimea and wait for a reason for landing on Constantinople) this will be the number) oh dreams)
    1. Livonetc 20 February 2020 18: 42 New
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      Is your dream Constantinople?
      Why is he so dear to you?
  12. JonnyT 20 February 2020 18: 05 New
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    All this is conceived for the sake of one thing - to test aerial battles, to test the means of seizing dominance in the air. Dress rehearsal before the mass invasion of the Russian Federation.
    We will arrange, we will be peace, and if obsrem.ya, wait for the last Patriotic War
    1. Livonetc 20 February 2020 18: 15 New
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      Johnny.
      You do not understand.
      Can you explain in more detail?
      1. JonnyT 20 February 2020 20: 57 New
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        What is the main fighter among the Turks from aviation ???
        Pralno f-16 (c, d block 30, 50)
        The Pentagon is very eager to test them against our su-35s.
        Check the durability of their fighters in battle, lead the necessary modernization according to the results of combat use.
        And also test and improve your air defense systems, electronic warfare.
        The Pentagon is betting on the modernization of the f-16 as the main fighter against our VKS, and not on the f22 and f35, which rubella rubbed brains.
        Concerning the last Patriotic War, draw your own conclusions. Turkey, Ukraine, NATO, again - all this has been started for a long time. there is a systematic preparation for war with the Russian Federation, and it will be
        1. Livonetc 20 February 2020 21: 09 New
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          As long as the strategic forces of Russia are in full combat readiness, there will be no serious war against Russia using conventional weapons.
          There will be attempts to influence the weak links around Russia.
          This for example has been tested in Ukraine.
          However, it ended in complete failure.
          The irretrievable loss of the Crimea and the Donbass.
          Syria is similarly a complete failure.
          She managed to defend and now the military bases of Russia in the Mediterranean for a long time.
          In Libya and Iraq, Russia's influence is growing.
          Strong ties are built with Iran.
          The authority of Russia in the world is being strengthened.
          Trends are not in favor of the Anglo-Saxons and their minions.
          Do not worry.
          Work
          1. JonnyT 20 February 2020 21: 39 New
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            Ahah) you are a naive person.
            Maybe I'm paranoid but still.
            In the Middle East, chaos. Iraq Libya in ruins. Iran is vulnerable to attack; it is almost surrounded. Russian bases in Syria, if desired, can be destroyed without much difficulty. Outside Ukraine, nothing has ended, another act of war will soon begin there.
            You are talking about strategic forces, but you forget that the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons is lowering, security and arms control treaties are being destroyed.
            Everything looks not very positive)
            1. maidan.izrailovich 21 February 2020 04: 43 New
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              Maybe I'm paranoid but still.

              Do not slander yourself.
              Your reasoning is logical. Therefore, the Americans do not leave Syria. Syria itself does not matter to them. And oil insofar as. There her cat cried. But touch us weakly .... For the sake of this, all the movies.
          2. JonnyT 20 February 2020 21: 41 New
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            Ahah) you are a naive person.
            Maybe I'm paranoid but still.
            In the Middle East, chaos. Iraq Libya in ruins. Iran is vulnerable to attack; it is almost surrounded. Russian bases in Syria, if desired, can be destroyed without much difficulty. Outside Ukraine, nothing has ended, another act of war will soon begin there.
            You are talking about strategic forces, but you forget that the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons is lowering, security and arms control treaties are being destroyed.
            Everything looks not very positive)
  13. Goral 20 February 2020 21: 51 New
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    Oh, how cute and beautiful, the Turks (Russians) in their "just" anger for the death of their "peacekeepers" are forcing the world to "unbelted" Syrians (Georgians) trying to free their homeland from obscure gangs (separatist enclaves of Ossetians and Abkhazians in Georgia) .

    the analogies are simply from under Xerox :-))) but if in the case of Georgia Russia acted as Turkey and the barmalei (Ossetians, Abkhazians) were our own, then in Syria we are clean and tidy ....