In Ukraine, announced plans to create a multi-purpose missile system


Ukraine has gathered to create its own multi-purpose missile system. Such a task is indicated in the State Defense Order of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for 2020.


The Ukrainian military department reports that the order to create the complex was given by the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky himself. But about any detailed characteristics of the developed weapons not reported. It is also unclear whether this missile system is related to the Grom-2 operational-tactical missile system, better known as the Sapsan, that is already being developed. Earlier it was reported about the development of the Vilha rockets, which spent billions of hryvnias.

As you know, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine abandoned nuclear weapons, and then began to reduce the number of missile systems inherited by the Ukrainian armed forces. As a result, only the Soviet-made 9K79-1 Tochka-U missile systems remained in service with the Ukrainian army, but their operation was fraught with a number of problems.

First of all, Kiev was faced with a shortage of components, since the enterprises that produced them were located in other post-Soviet states. Ultimately, the leaders of Ukraine came to the conclusion that it was necessary to create new, already purely Ukrainian missile systems. So the project of the Sapsan OTRK appeared, and then the idea of ​​creating a new multi-purpose missile complex.

Specialists of the Yuzhnoye design bureau are working on Sapsan, and it was supposed to be produced at Yuzhmash (the Southern Machine-Building Plant) in Dnepropetrovsk (the new Ukrainian name for the city is Dnieper). But 14 years have already passed since the start of work, and OTRK has never entered serial production. “Sapsan” began to be developed in 2006, in 2013, according to the decision of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the project was closed (officially - due to misuse of budget funds), and in 2016 they returned to it, obviously - for lack of the best offers.

The Sapsan OTRK can be armed with a single-stage ballistic missile, a long-range anti-aircraft missile, and an intermediate-range anti-ship missile. The maximum range of a ballistic missile was to be 280-480 km, anti-aircraft - 150 km, anti-ship - 90 km.

A fan of arms, the then President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko announced the allocation of funds for the further development of the operational-tactical missile system. In August 2018, at the military parade in honor of Independence Day of Ukraine, a prototype of the Sapsan OTRK was shown. But in February 2019, information became known that the Ukrainian military department was again not financing the work carried out by the Yuzhny Design Bureau.


Interestingly, back in December 2015, Alexander Turchinov, who at that time served as chairman of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, said that a new missile complex was being developed that would exceed the Sapsan OTRK in terms of its characteristics. Perhaps the complex that we are hearing about today was then announced by Turchinov?

The ambitious projects of Ukraine in terms of creating their own missile weapons, thus, appear to be a very dubious undertaking. The fate of the Sapsan OTRK is a typical confirmation of this. Of course, from Soviet times, modern Ukraine has got a fairly developed rocket industry, but during the 1990s - 2010s. its creative potential was largely lost. In addition, Kiev has simply no money for expensive development and, all the more, for launching new weapons in serial production.

A separate issue is bureaucratic obstacles and an incredibly high level of corruption, which also prevents any technological innovations. Therefore, it can be assumed that if Ukraine also has new missile systems of its own production in service, then this will happen very, very soon, perhaps in decades. This, incidentally, is also noted by many Ukrainian users, commenting on the Web information about the tests of the OTRK Grom-2. They rightly point out that if in countries - world leaders in rocket science such as the United States and Russia it takes up to 10 years to develop and launch production, then in Ukraine we will talk about 20-30 with vague final prospects.
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  1. rocket757 20 February 2020 11: 23 New
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    In Ukraine, gathered to create their own .......

    EVERYTHING, you can not read further.
    1. Hunter 2 20 February 2020 11: 31 New
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      Well, as they say ... Declare - Do not carry bags! wink what, why, at what capacities and against - Who? It would be better if we limited ourselves to the next “drawing”!
      1. rocket757 20 February 2020 11: 38 New
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        The boy collected / glued cardboard mock-ups from them ... the main thing is that there would be cardboard from under the candies ROSHENOK!
      2. novobranets 20 February 2020 13: 04 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        It would be better if we limited ourselves to the next “drawing”!

        So it will be limited, they will draw by hand and forward to the presentation. Huge plans, but to the point ... Eh, and what a military-industrial complex was, everyone in the city ... trampled on dirt.
      3. major147 20 February 2020 13: 33 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        State - Do not carry bags!

        Today I heard an interesting expression of the ancient Indians: "Better lightning in the hand than thunder in the mouth."
    2. DRM
      DRM 20 February 2020 13: 46 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      In Ukraine, gathered to create their own .......

      EVERYTHING, you can not read further.

      Rocket, I understand your skepticism, but Ukraine can produce anything superior to its Soviet counterparts. New technological base + new software + old Soviet backlogs. Also, however, like Russia, only the order of money is lower.
      1. rocket757 20 February 2020 13: 57 New
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        Quote: DRM
        Ukraine can produce anything superior to its Soviet counterparts.

        Okay suppose wink can. WHERE IS THE RESULT, even one, even the smallest?
        I'm not talking about what was, let's see what remains?
    3. Alex Nevs 20 February 2020 14: 10 New
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      It is enough that ONE TANK is produced !!!
      1. rocket757 20 February 2020 14: 21 New
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        Well, yes ... but when he was Soviet, somewhere from 800 tanks a year!
        How to understand this now? Gotcha, in general.
    4. TermNachTer 21 February 2020 14: 11 New
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      No, why so? So clean neighing ... It seems that in the Banderland, the “95th quarter” moved from concert halls to the Government and the Presidential Administration.
      1. rocket757 21 February 2020 14: 20 New
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        They were chosen ... they live "merrily"; this cannot be taken away from them.
  2. lopuhan2006 20 February 2020 11: 28 New
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    Reminds us of space notes .....
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    2. Qwertyarion 20 February 2020 11: 33 New
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      Quote: lopuhan2006
      Reminds us of space notes .....

      . EVERYTHING, you can not read further.

      Concrete and objective good
    3. TermNachTer 21 February 2020 17: 00 New
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      You, at least something is being launched into space, and we only have a national space agency - almost like NASA. They just forgot when the last time they started something.
      1. lopuhan2006 21 February 2020 17: 16 New
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        I would like for all of us to have it again, and not separately, but will it be?
        1. TermNachTer 21 February 2020 18: 09 New
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          Until 2004, they cooperated normally. What will happen next, only God knows.
  3. svp67 20 February 2020 11: 29 New
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    In Ukraine, announced plans to create a multi-purpose missile system
    Multipurpose is how or how much? Is this a "tactical anti-ship missile defense system"?
    1. rocket757 20 February 2020 11: 40 New
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      Space Hyper-Looper-Interplanetary!
    2. Avior 20 February 2020 11: 59 New
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      judging by the text of the article, we are talking about creating a universal launcher.
      can be armed with a single-stage ballistic missile, long-range anti-aircraft missile, medium-range anti-ship missile. The maximum range of a ballistic missile was to be 280-480 km, anti-aircraft - 150 km, anti-ship - 90 km.

      that is, a launcher for missiles of different types, but approximately the same size.
      I don’t know how realistic this is, especially in the Ukrainian version, but in principle the fleet in the world has long switched to universal launchers.
      This is not a complex, but a pure launcher; there is no radar in the composition.
      For a ballistic radar, in principle, it is not necessary, for long-range anti-aircraft missiles it does not make sense to put on any simplified launcher either, for long-range anti-aircraft missiles you can’t do without a simplified one, but there should be a two-coordinate radar with a range of 40-50 kilometers to the radio horizon.
      but it may be third-party in principle.
      hi
      1. Nikolay3 20 February 2020 12: 22 New
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        Quote: Avior
        but with RCC there should be a two-coordinate radar with a range of 40-50 kilometers, to the radio horizon.

        Avior (Sergey). Do not confuse radio visibility with the radio horizon! Moreover, the declared range of 90 km for firing anti-ship missiles.
        1. Avior 20 February 2020 12: 25 New
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          For surface targets, this is one and the same if the radar tool capabilities provide a range for the radio horizon for a given type of target.
          But actually, I don’t see the launch radar, which means it’s supposed to be third-party, if we are talking about this launch.
          hi
          1. Nikolay3 20 February 2020 12: 42 New
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            Quote: Avior
            For surface purposes, this is one and the same.if the instrumental capabilities of the radar provide a range for the radio horizon for this type of target.

            You confuse the radio horizon with radio visibility! Take a simple calculator of the radio horizon and the range of direct radio visibility. An example is the height of the superstructure of the ship (target) - 60 meters, the height of your antenna is 10 meters. Calculate: the radio horizon is 13,03 km, and the range of the direct radio visibility of the target is 44,96 km. You just do not understand physics.
            1. Avior 20 February 2020 13: 03 New
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              superstructure 60 m is 25-30 floors?
              aircraft carrier or what?
              noticeable goal, what can I say.
              hi
              1. Nikolay3 20 February 2020 13: 14 New
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                Avior, put you a big plus.
      2. DRM
        DRM 20 February 2020 13: 41 New
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        Quote: Avior
        This is not a complex, but a pure launcher; there is no radar in the composition.
        For a ballistic radar, in principle, it is not necessary, for long-range anti-aircraft missiles it does not make sense to put on any simplified launcher either, for long-range anti-aircraft missiles you can’t do without a simplified one, but there should be a two-coordinate radar with a range of 40-50 kilometers to the radio horizon.
        but it may be third-party in principle.

        Read the VO materials on Ukrainian radar. Unfortunately I do not remember the year, look in the archive.
      3. svp67 20 February 2020 19: 07 New
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        Quote: Avior
        that is, a launcher for missiles of various types,

        That is, to this PU, an “addition” is required, in the form of a machine with a locator. moreover, to carry out certain tasks, the machine with the radar must be different, plus some sort of "Command Center Center" on the machine ...
        1. Avior 20 February 2020 22: 22 New
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          On the one hand, and on the other, it is possible to strengthen the launch of existing complexes.
          Need-massive ballistic kick.
          Reflection of attacks from the sea - launchers reinforce RCC complexes
          Need- reinforce SAM
          In any case, you can’t put a radar on the launcher for a long-range air defense system, and on a PCR it can be separate or even without it.
          Look at the Ball or Bastion - they are not on the launchers.
    3. TermNachTer 21 February 2020 17: 00 New
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      And arm him with Bandera equestrian divers.
  4. Pavel57 20 February 2020 11: 42 New
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    Rockets are an excuse to spend money.
  5. Olya Tsako 20 February 2020 11: 46 New
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    Baron Munchausen, with tears in his eyes, is envious of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex and its missile developments.
    Ukraine needs the USSR to build something sensible.
    1. neri73-r 20 February 2020 12: 23 New
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      Quote: Olya Tsako
      Ukraine needs the USSR to build something sensible.

      Ukraine needs Russia to live in prosperity and peace by one people.
      1. Dur_mod 20 February 2020 12: 34 New
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        After the capture of Crimea, your words look like the height of a misunderstanding, and this is mildly said:
        Quote: Olya Tsako
        Ukraine needs the USSR to build something sensible.

        Ukraine needs Russia to live in prosperity and peace by one people.
        1. neri73-r 20 February 2020 12: 40 New
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          Quote: Dur_mod
          After the capture of Crimea, your words look like the height of a misunderstanding, and this is mildly said:

          I remind you that nobody has captured Crimea! After the collapse of the statehood (and state) of Ukraine as a result of the coup d'état, called the Maidan in 2014, Crimea, exercising its right to self-determination, left the former Ukraine and only then, being independent, asked to join Russia !!! The rest of the former Ukraine staged a civil war in the rest of the territory !!!!! hi
          1. Dur_mod 20 February 2020 12: 45 New
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            I remind you that a military operation to seize Crimea was condemned by the UN Security Council and almost all countries of the world that recognized this as Russian aggression. And tell tales about yourself, tell the green men ...
            1. neri73-r 20 February 2020 12: 48 New
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              Quote: Dur_mod
              I remind you that a military operation to seize Crimea was condemned by the UN Security Council

              And sho, China and Russia voted for? Otherwise, this is a balabstvo of the interest of the Anglo-Saxons! Remind me how many Ukrainians died during the power capture of the Crimea ????? wassat And, most importantly, was there a coup in the former Ukraine? love
              1. Dur_mod 20 February 2020 13: 11 New
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                Hmm, I bow to your great logic: a neighbor broke into the house, took the room and says in court - I won’t blame myself for robbery and intrusion to the neighbors, they didn’t ask me but beat each other, so I’ll take the room from the neighbors and attach myself , So?
                Then sho Donbass, and what piss? So already so tired, take away with the condition of a ban on entry, trade, etc. forever.
                1. neri73-r 20 February 2020 13: 22 New
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                  Quote: Dur_mod
                  Hmm, I bow to your great logic: a neighbor broke into the house, took the room and says in court - I won’t blame myself for robbery and intrusion to the neighbors, they didn’t ask me but beat each other, so I’ll take the room from the neighbors and attach myself , So?

                  A little bit wrong, the bandits from Zapadnaya Street drove out the rightful owner of the apartment, moreover, with the use of weapons and bodily injuries, almost killing his whole family, the children of the neighbor said we did not want to live in the same apartment as bandits-selyuk and ...... drum roll ...... barricaded the old door, laying it with a brick and cut a new door to the former neighbors-relatives !!!!! good That's true, honest and objective. hi
            2. Victorio 20 February 2020 13: 01 New
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              Quote: Dur_mod
              I remind you that a military operation to seize Crimea was condemned by the UN Security Council and almost all countries of the world that recognized this as Russian aggression. A fairy tales about yourself came out tell the green men ...

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              yes, no later than yesterday at a meeting of the United Nations Council condemned another attack by Russia (18 fierce zbroyn_ form of the Russian Federation 22 times destroyed the regime of prinenny bogun. Opponent firing our poses from the fence at the Minsk households of the artillery systems, the caliber is 152 mm and 122 mm, the caliber is 120 mm and 82 mm, the tank is also big, and the big systems are big, big systems ...), as well as Russia's non-compliance with the Minsk agreements.
              such tales
              1. Dur_mod 20 February 2020 13: 13 New
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                AND? Do you disagree?
                1. Victorio 20 February 2020 14: 02 New
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                  Quote: Dur_mod
                  AND? Do you disagree?

                  ===
                  no, I'm still healthy
            3. Andrei Nikolaevich 20 February 2020 13: 34 New
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              The UN Security Council is already like the Obraztsov Puppet Theater. You never know what they can "condemn" there. IMPORTANT another, they do not solve anything. Rent a building, just.
  6. Andrey the Magnificent 20 February 2020 11: 51 New
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    https://youtu.be/GJXILWd1XQM
    A new tank has already been created !!!
  7. Ratmir_Ryazan 20 February 2020 12: 06 New
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    Ukraine under the rule of Bandera wants to create its own wunderwaffe and defeat Russia))).
  8. Lamata 20 February 2020 12: 26 New
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    Announce plans !!! This is strong, you can even create a cartoon. Let’s face the peregrine falcons.
  9. mironych 20 February 2020 12: 37 New
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    Am I missing something? Has April 1 already arrived?
    1. Lamata 20 February 2020 13: 17 New
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      In advance, they are building up the potential of explosive humor.
  10. rotkiv04 20 February 2020 12: 43 New
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    In a country of victorious idiocy, only a clown-idot can be president
    1. Lamata 20 February 2020 16: 52 New
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      Better Olena Kravets would have been elected, even though a beautiful woman. smile
  11. JD1979 20 February 2020 13: 14 New
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    But there were no plans to create a normal state.
  12. Andrei Nikolaevich 20 February 2020 13: 31 New
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    they can "state"! But "create" ....
  13. Sergei 777 20 February 2020 13: 59 New
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    With such budgetary problems, they just have enough money for advertising leaflets.
  14. Xenofont 20 February 2020 16: 24 New
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    Luke is going to throw a platform? To "please" Russia. A true ally ... Bandera.
  15. Ros 56 20 February 2020 16: 31 New
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    Well, they took about 15 minutes and that's enough, you can continue to make something else to make.
  16. Vlad5307 20 February 2020 18: 00 New
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    This, incidentally, is also noted by many Ukrainian users, commenting on the Web information about the tests of the OTRK Grom-2. They rightly point out that if in countries - world leaders in rocket science such as the United States and Russia it takes up to 10 years to develop and launch production, then in Ukraine we will talk about 20-30 with vague final prospects.

    As they say - they got home under the strict guidance of the State Department and the CIA. And now they have simply moved into the category of cannon fodder - a consumable in the war against the Russian Federation, to which it is banal and prepared by its best "friends." fool
  17. Old26 20 February 2020 18: 21 New
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    It is also unclear whether this missile system is related to the Grom-2 operational-tactical missile system, better known as Sapsan, that is already being developed.

    These are two completely different complexes. Yes, "Thunder-2" is created using developments on the Sapsan complex, but no more. launchers - different, different missiles ...

    Quote: Hunter 2
    Well, as they say ... Declare - Do not carry bags! wink what, why, at what capacities and against - Who? It would be better if we limited ourselves to the next “drawing”!

    Actually, you’re scolding in vain. The complex is being commissioned by Saudi Arabia. At what capacities - at Yuzhmash. In the future, it can be deployed to the Armed Forces of Ukraine instead of the old Tochka-U. Moreover, in terms of performance characteristics, it surpasses the Tochka-U complex

    Quote: rocket757
    Well, yes ... but when he was Soviet, somewhere from 800 tanks a year!
    How to understand this now? Gotcha, in general.

    Victor! In Soviet life and UVZ produced about 2000 tanks a year. How much do we release now ??? Your post would be understandable if they let in 1 tank a year, and we, like in Soviet times, 2000. So we don’t have ice with that either

    Quote: svp67
    In Ukraine, announced plans to create a multi-purpose missile system
    Multipurpose is how or how much? Is this a "tactical anti-ship missile defense system"?

    Sergei! The author talks about Sapsan, putting an equal sign between him and the Grom-2 complex. The first - "Sapsan" - really should have been multi-functional and used three types of missiles - ballistic, anti-aircraft, anti-ship. "The Grom-2 complex is equipped only with the Grom-2 BR (according to the TTT of Saudi Arabia). It is possible that it will be modernized for its needs and it will be able to use the Korshun-2 KR (in principle, as Iskander) )

    Quote: Olya Tsako
    Baron Munchausen, with tears in his eyes, is envious of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex and its missile developments.
    Ukraine needs the USSR to build something sensible.

    The biggest stupidity is to sacredly believe that no one can do anything without Russia. Yes, Ukraine’s defense industry is almost a complete failure. Aircraft industry - at zero. Fleet - while doing something like armored boats. BUT here they nevertheless try not to "multiply by zero" rocket technology. And if a lot of things did not work out for them in the 90s of the beginning of the 2000s - the Borisfen and Sapsan complexes (due to lack of funding), now they are making the Thunder-0 not with their own money, but with Saudi money. The missile has a TTX consistent with the MTCR.

    Quote: Sergey 777
    With such budgetary problems, they just have enough money for advertising leaflets.

    What are the budget problems ?? The complex was originally created with the money of Saudi Arabia. 300 million dollars contract. And the Saudis will not let just "cut" their grandmother. So Ukraine will be forced to make a complex.

    Quote: Xenofont
    Luke is going to throw a platform? To "please" Russia. A true ally ... Bandera.

    Chassis - KRAZvskoe, but not Belarusian ... Designed in Kharkov Design Bureau named after Morozova .....
    1. lopuhan2006 20 February 2020 19: 20 New
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      They tried to mold the An-132 with Saudi money. Do you seriously think that Ukraine will succeed? The ceiling is ptrk and modernization from the fact that followed, something is good and something is not very. Not enough money for the Navy
      for already Iceland must be maintained. Aviation is not even funny. Now all that Ukraine has is needed only by it. The West has its own and it will not share the cake, Russia has already been lost for good, China will stand out last and go her own way, and only the post-Soviet heritage and modernization remains. I ask the question, and who is to blame? The capture of Crimea by Russia, Muscovites with Buryats from tank divisions from the Donbass, or still dig deeper into their homes. Russia was not the first to impose a single sanction against Ukraine. The problem of Ukraine is that its people decided, or said nothing when they decided that they are a separate nation, and not a people calling themselves Slavs from Ukraine, brothers of Slavs from Russia. However, in Russia there is no such thing. For there is an easily-herdable flock to which any Shapiro and Satanovsky can pour yellow water into his ears.
  18. Old26 20 February 2020 19: 39 New
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    Quote: lopuhan2006
    They tried to mold the An-132 with Saudi money. Do you seriously think that Ukraine will succeed? The ceiling is ptrk and modernization from the fact that followed, something is good and something is not very. Not enough money for the Navy

    I think yes, they will. Especially not with your own money. They have a school, old cadres still remain. To make a single-stage OTRK in the presence of money is not difficult.
    They are also closely involved in modernization. At the very least, they made their own version of Uranus - RCC Neptune, made their own version of Tornado - Alder.
    1. lopuhan2006 20 February 2020 20: 00 New
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      You are right, but to do it does not mean in sufficient quantities for the war, but it’s enough to pull the nerves and that will be introduced. And while there are resources and a base for 20 years, it’s precisely on the Soviet backlog. And then, either to the West or China to bow. But this is so far away ....
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      I’m embarrassed to ask - and how many of these "Neptunes" are already in operation?
  19. lopuhan2006 21 February 2020 18: 27 New
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    Quote: TermNachTER
    Until 2004, they cooperated normally. What will happen next, only God knows.

    I am a pessimist in this matter ...