Modern unions: workers' rights advocates or capital hirers


One of the signs of the Soviet era, which someone recalls with nostalgic sadness, and someone, perhaps with irritation, was the almost universal membership of all domestic workers in organizations such as trade unions. Since then, a fair amount of water has flowed, much has changed, but these associations exist in modern Russia, as well as throughout the world. How and how do our modern trade unions live, what do they really represent?


For most contemporaries, the Soviet trade union committees are mostly associated with the vivid image of the unstoppable activist Shurochka from the unforgettable “Office Romance”. Well, the funny thing is that somehow it was about the same. It is impossible to imagine a trade union organizing, say, a strike even at the most contingent factory in the USSR. So these organizations, united on an all-Union scale in such a powerful structure as the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions), for the most part, addressed various social and cultural issues of the workers united in them. Vouchers, concert tickets, things like that ...

But after all, “trade unions” were created (namely, the first professional associations of workers were called) not at all for such peaceful and magnificent purposes! Their task was to fight with the owners of enterprises and the administration appointed by them for their own rights. An eight-hour working day, paid leave and sick leave, pension and other insurance, allowances for overtime work and its harmful conditions - all these absolutely ordinary and usual achievements today were obtained in a long-term struggle, primarily by the trade unions. And this battle was so cruel! In the confrontation of labor and capital, like any war, there were victories and defeats on both sides and, of course, their heroes and victims.

From time immemorial, the most effective measure of “persuasion” of employers who did not want to regard their personnel as a strike was a strike or a strike — the termination of the enterprise’s work until its owners fulfill certain requirements of the labor collective. And here often came to confrontations, during which not ink was spilled, but blood, and people died. Now the passions have subsided significantly, and this primarily caused a certain decline in the trade union movement around the world, which has been observed in recent years. The labor laws of most developed countries are already quite loyal to workers, and the owners of large enterprises have long learned that it is better to give up reasonably small things than run into a labor conflict. And in general, now the main workshop in the world is China, and there, you understand, you won’t especially strike.

Talk about the over-mass trade union movement in Western countries is just one of the well-established myths. “Trade unions” are strong in the countries of Scandinavia: in Norway, Finland, Sweden, they comprise from half to 70% of all employees. But in the most industrialized countries of Europe, the same Britain or Germany, this proportion reaches a maximum of a quarter of workers. In the United States, not more than 10% of working citizens participate in the trade union movement. Perhaps the point here is that organizing a trade union there is not so simple. An employer can always find legal "loopholes" to prevent this. Well, those trade unions that exist ... In many countries, they have long turned, using the vocabulary of left-wing politicians, into hired capitalists who do not care about the rights of workers, but, on the contrary, help owners more effectively keep them in check.

In Russia, where everything is much simpler with this matter (if you want a trade union - find a few like-minded people, and create one), the recession is even more noticeable than anywhere else. The number of members of these organizations in our country from 54 million in 1990 over the next 15 years has more than halved, and there is still no tendency to new growth. Someone is sorry to deduct 1% of the salary for professional contributions, someone sees these unions as a completely empty and useless venture, believing that he himself will buy a good ticket - there would be money, someone from the principle is not going to enter anywhere. And then say, according to the All-Russian Public Opinion Research Center, strikes in our country in the last ten years have been happening almost less frequently than the World Cups. There can hardly be any discussion of a real struggle for their rights in the current conditions, and working conditions are, as a rule, not so bad as to risk what they have, having the prospect of being left without a job altogether.

Modern workers are far from the proletariat of Marx, who have nothing to lose besides their chains. This, perhaps, is the main reason for the low demand for trade unions both in our country and around the world.
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  1. DMB 75 20 February 2020 08: 10 New
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    Capital hire. Fighters for the rights of workers, they have long ceased to be.
    1. Lexus 20 February 2020 08: 16 New
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      Judging by the seized hare and the love of "cabbage"
      1. Stas157 20 February 2020 09: 30 New
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        . Modern workers - it is far from the proletariat Marx, who has nothing to lose besides his chains.

        Less began to rob something?
        The gap between the richest and the poorest is only widening.
        1. Lexus 20 February 2020 09: 47 New
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          Less began to rob something?

          To be honest, I didn’t notice that in the western states the trade unions "became flabby." Probably because they do not have such a "helmsman".
          The gap between the richest and the poorest is only widening.

          These are Russian breakthrough technologies. I assure you, we are still ahead ... of the dysfunctional countries of Africa, Latin America and Asia with Oceania. While there is something to "strive for." For the "unstoppable".
        2. Private89 20 February 2020 13: 25 New
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          Sometimes it seems that workers with 3 education classes, working in factories in the Russian Empire, were more ideologically savvy and knew the interest of their class than the current ones with all the Internet.
          1. Sanichsan 25 February 2020 16: 53 New
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            Quote: Private 89
            Sometimes it seems that workers with 3 education classes, working in factories in the Russian Empire, were more ideologically savvy and knew the interest of their class than the current ones with all the Internet.

            sometimes?!? work for a year with a working day at 16 p.m., without days off and holidays, for about 20k rubles a month and you will approximately understand the motivation of workers in 1905-1917 yes oh yes, you should be kept at work by cattle, to complete the picture. under such conditions, either die or "ideologically savvy."
            What will motivate the struggle of the proletariat today? envy of the employer's income and the indestructible desire to replace his three-year-old Ford with a Cadillac, like a director? request
      2. AU Ivanov. 20 February 2020 11: 17 New
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        Well, they themselves have chosen such trade union bosses. Or they chose for you, because everyone is too lazy to participate in the life of the team. Should your uncle organize a union?
    2. Ross xnumx 20 February 2020 08: 20 New
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      Modern unions: workers' rights advocates or capital hirers

      Modern unions: workers' rights advocates or - hired capital.
      yes
      1. Obi-Wan Kenobi 20 February 2020 11: 24 New
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        Modern trade unions: workers for the rights of workers or - hired capital.

        In the USSR, trade unions did indeed defend the rights of workers, I emphasize precisely workers as the most disenfranchised. And the state strictly controlled this moment. Because in the USSR the proletariat was a hegemon.
        And despite this, in the USSR, conflicts arose between workers and bosses in production.
        I am talking about the situation in factories. As it was in other organizations, I don’t know.
        And this despite the fact that in the USSR, the director of the enterprise had a huge influence on the union.
        Now the situation has changed radically. We will not speak about the state of the present proletariat in Russia, and so everything is clear.
        Of course, unions also exist in factories. But union leaders have very good salaries, allowances and bonuses from directors. Therefore, the leadership of the trade unions do not give a damn about everyone but themselves. His salary is more expensive than the scandal with the director.
        I judge by my factory. You should have seen what the head of the trade union committee goes to and where he lives!
        1. Krasnoyarsk 20 February 2020 12: 45 New
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          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          Because in the USSR the proletariat was a hegemon.

          No. In 1961, Khrushchev "abolished" the dictatorship of the proletariat and "introduced" the concept of "nation-wide state."
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          In the USSR, trade unions really defended the rights of workers,

          It was not difficult - the Labor Code to help them.
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          And despite this, in the USSR, conflicts arose between workers and bosses in production.

          Yes, they did. And almost all because of the ignorance of the bosses in legal matters. They believed that the chief was always right, and he knew everything that way, and therefore they never looked at the Labor Code of the USSR.
          Therefore, they were easy to "put in place"
          Today the situation is different. 1. The authorities removed the Soviet Labor Code and introduced the "Labor Law". And these, even without Odessa, are two big differences. and 2. Bought union bosses.
          Everything, the authorities can sleep peacefully.

          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          And this despite the fact that in the USSR, the director of the enterprise had a huge influence on the union.

          What is such an influence? If the chairman of the trade union committee is a normal man, then no. Not an enterprise paid him a salary.
          1. Sanichsan 25 February 2020 17: 03 New
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            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Everything, the authorities can sleep peacefully.

            umm .. well, with a proletariat like you for sure.
            according to the law, you can create your own union by recruiting at least three people if you do not like the official union. but you will not do this wink , which means authorities can sleep peacefully hi
        2. Sanichsan 25 February 2020 17: 00 New
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          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          We will not speak about the state of the present proletariat in Russia, and so everything is clear.

          how are we not going to ??? belay this is the most important part of the question! Who is this proletariat and what are the needs of the proletariat?
          it's like advertising a car and saying "we won’t talk about the engine, everything is clear there .."
    3. Uncle lee 20 February 2020 08: 21 New
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      The struggle for workers' rights is a thing of the past. So, not even phantom pains, but falling away rudiments ....
      1. Sling cutter 20 February 2020 09: 15 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        The struggle for workers' rights is a thing of the past. So, not even phantom pains, but falling away rudiments ....

        Kamrad, for 30 years the trade union movement has completely switched over to the service of the authorities. Of course, there are small unions of individual enterprises, but this is the exception rather than the rule, unlike the European labor unions that actually operate and protect the rights of workers. I’ll say banality, but I want, as in France.
        Workers of all countries unite!
    4. Svarog 20 February 2020 08: 42 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      Capital hire. Fighters for the rights of workers, they have long ceased to be.

      How the Soviet Union collapsed .. everything, the capitalists have a holiday .. all social programs for the quiet, and where not for the quiet (France) are being turned off around the world ..
      With eom, there is enough arrogance to ask the people:
      -Want like in France?
      -Yes .. damn, we want .. There people still manage to defend their interests ..
    5. tihonmarine 20 February 2020 09: 03 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      Capital hire. Fighters for the rights of workers, they have long ceased to be.

      A private company that makes money on the state and the people, but works on capitalism.
      1. bessmertniy 20 February 2020 09: 11 New
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        For the most part, trade union officials often privatized nationwide union property and today they live by renting this property. There are absolutely no trade unions in Primorye that would protect the rights of workers. They are not even heard. negative
      2. aybolyt678 20 February 2020 14: 49 New
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        They put me, about 10 years ago, as the chief in a state institution with 32 workers. There was a union. I didn’t offend people, I didn’t fire, did I honestly try to find out from the trade union activist what he had from this? found out that 1% goes somewhere higher. Over the past 20 years, there has not been a single case of union interference in the work of superiors. But 1% of deductions from the salary did not bother me! I began to agitate workers to leave this organization, which entailed a sharp condemnation and discussion of my personality in all angles, gossip .... Finally, I wrote a statement to join their union, explaining that I was the same hard worker, but above me There is a Office, and I may need legal support. smile , the next day, everyone unanimously wrote an application for expulsion from the union laughing .
        A modern union is nothing more than a way of collecting money from people.
        1. volodimer 22 February 2020 18: 14 New
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          He broke his arm ... an industrial injury, everything was decent, the office supported it, she had to compensate in half with the union with the union ... The office paid ... the union sent the forest ... parasites. IMHO
    6. g1washntwn 20 February 2020 09: 13 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      They have long ceased to be fighters for the rights of workers.

      Question: for what rights did they fight under the USSR if it was stated that all the rights to Soviet citizens were laid without this superstructure and guaranteed by the State?
      Now it’s clear: the relationship between the employee and the capitalist is purely bilateral contractual relations. The state only declares and observes from the side, can give recommendations, but is not going to intervene (to be honest, it has its own levers, but it applies them selectively).
      But for some reason, discussions about the "futility" of the Trade Unions began precisely today, when by all indications they should be applied to the fullest. Their poor effectiveness is a completely different issue for discussion.
      1. tihonmarine 20 February 2020 09: 24 New
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        Quote: g1washntwn
        Question: for what rights did they fight under the USSR if it was stated that all the rights to Soviet citizens were laid without this superstructure and guaranteed by the State?

        Fought or not, but union tickets were received by all comers.
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        for 20 February 2020 14: 11 New
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        Question: for what rights did they fight under the USSR

        They did not fight, controlled the already achieved rights of workers and employees.
      3. aybolyt678 22 February 2020 19: 42 New
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        Quote: g1washntwn
        Now it’s clear: the relationship between the employee and the capitalist is purely bilateral contractual relations.

        the only plus of trade unions - sometimes you can count on free legal assistance \
    7. Krasnoyarsk 20 February 2020 12: 21 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      Capital hire. Fighters for the rights of workers, they have long ceased to be.

      It is necessary to clarify - from the age of 91.
    8. iouris 20 February 2020 12: 38 New
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      On the other hand, trade unions are "mercenaries of the proletariat." Research should be consistent with the principle of science and be relevant. The author, it seems to him, tried to figure out a question that had long been solved theoretically and practically. The author is poorly versed in the topic, and therefore presses on the emotions of the "working people". For example, the key thesis about the absence of the proletariat was resolved vulgarly populistly (it is absent!), And in fact Marx spoke not only of absolute impoverishment, but also of relative impoverishment of the proletariat. Those. Marx did not deny the improvement of living standards and working conditions, but pointed out that this is achieved by increasing the degree of exploitation of wage workers. It is this position that critics of Marx usually ignore. Study Capital and Marx’s critics not in your smartphone, but in your notes, and the quality of your publications will improve.
      Note that until now all critics (and even the author) continue to argue in absentia with Marx. That's just the level of criticism is different. An ignoramus is not one who does not know, but one who turns out to know. Long you, critics!
      1. aybolyt678 20 February 2020 15: 07 New
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        Quote: iouris
        Long you, critics!

        Thank. My dream is to discuss with a connoisseur of Marx. Did Marx predict the emergence of a modern youth class?
        Quote: iouris
        improving living standards and working conditions, but pointed out that this is achieved by increasing the degree of exploitation of wage earners.

        In our modern Russia, is this probably achieved by enhancing the exploitation of the bowels and not of man ??
        Quote: iouris
        Note that until now all critics (and even the author) continue to argue in absentia with Marx.
        I believe that today there is a need to revise and improve the theory, to develop an ideology in order to appear like-minded people?
        1. IS-80_RVGK2 22 February 2020 11: 30 New
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          Quote: aybolyt678
          Did Marx predict the emergence of a modern youth class?

          Classical Roman proletarians or the British times when the sheep ate people is not it?
          Quote: aybolyt678
          In our modern Russia, is this probably achieved by enhancing the exploitation of the subsoil rather than man?

          That is why apparently the gap between rich and poor is growing.
          Quote: aybolyt678
          I believe that today there is a need to revise and improve the theory

          A theory must be revised when it does not correspond to reality. In your case, you just need to remove the guard capitalist demagoguery from your ears. laughing
          1. aybolyt678 22 February 2020 13: 20 New
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            The theory must be revised when it does not correspond to reality

            theory in the details does not match smile For example, I am absolutely sure that value is not labor embodied in the product, but energy embodied in the product.
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            In your case, you just need to remove the guard capitalist demagoguery from your ears
            - if you do not revise some dogmas, then the demagogues will continue to cast out on theory. It is the basis, but a modern person overloaded with information will not delve into the intricacies of Hegel's logic. And the Idea only becomes material when it takes possession of the masses. Marx's theory needs to be converted to the size of a pamphlet, otherwise it will remain a relic for the masses. (This pamphlet is obligatory for memorizing for all government officials from minister to clerk!)
            try to captivate some young man with the ideas of Marx! they will carefully listen to you for 4 seconds, out of politeness for 4 minutes, out of necessity 2 hours for a lecture, after which they will get an allergy for life. Processing with squeezing and psycho-fit is necessary !!!
            1. IS-80_RVGK2 22 February 2020 23: 21 New
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              Quote: aybolyt678
              For example, I am absolutely sure that value is not labor embodied in the product, but energy embodied in the product.

              Very interesting thesis. Following his logic, we get that the cost of the program is higher, the more energy with which the programmer hits the keys. laughing
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Marx's Theory Must Be Redesigned to Brochure

              Do you have any idea what you are offering? Maybe even remake it in a comic book format?
              1. aybolyt678 23 February 2020 05: 45 New
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                Following his logic, we get that the cost of the program is higher, the more energy with which the programmer hits the keys.

                pressing keys requires energy ... for pressing a programmer, energy is also required to maintain its operability. The brain, it consumes a lot, you know energy ... To prepare a programmer, it also requires a lot of energy both for computer work and for the period of study. In addition, many programs require a large number of programmers, and accordingly more energy .. Coffee consumed by programmers, sooo energy consuming !! laughing .. a country whose currency will be pegged to a kilowatt will give the world a new standard.

                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Maybe even remake it in a comic book format?

                +++ !! good When the teachings of Marx Engels Lenin turned into a dogma, reduced to the slogan, the party meeting in church service, with health resorts in the name of the Secretary General. Not bothered by the convenience of perception of information from the consumer .. so to speak
                But comics, cartoons, convenient for perception, you can bring up economic, socialist, patriotic thinking from childhood!
                ... If the task is impossible to visualize the theory in comics and cartoons, then how do you want to realize it in life ????
                1. IS-80_RVGK2 23 February 2020 13: 32 New
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                  a country whose currency will be pegged to kilowatts will give the world a new standard.

                  In general, I realized that you did not understand the labor theory of value. It is sad.
                  1. aybolyt678 23 February 2020 19: 11 New
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                    In general, I realized that you did not understand the labor theory of value. It is sad.

                    How do you like factories where jeans are sewn without any seamstress at all? or where do sneakers do without a single shoemaker? there is even no light needed. I understand that this is also a collective work, in which the efforts of many people have concentrated .... But in the end, Energy rules everything, it is not for nothing that Chubais rules our economy, it is not without reason that there is a war in Syria .... all for energy.
                    A ruble tied to a kilowatt is always a stable price for a loaf of bread, Everywhere. And exchange rates did not seem to dance relative to a kilowatt, there would be stability in the country.
                    I passed the theory of value perfectly. In graduate school. And there is more demand from graduate students than from students. In turn, saddened by your unwillingness to come to a common denominator, namely the simplification of the very labor theory of Marx. After all, if you still remember Lenin wrote that in order to deal with the Capital of Marx, it is necessary to study Hegel's “Science of Logic”. And this is very difficult .... What is it that the concept of Cost is measured in joules? a worker can be fed bread or meat, meat in joules more ... This does not change much in theory but psychologically simplifies the understanding of the transition of value into price, and much more.
                    It is sad that you do not answer questions and pull out contradictions out of context.
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2 24 February 2020 13: 05 New
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                      But in the end, Energy rules everything.

                      Has this energy fallen from heaven or the result of someone else's labor? Of course, I understand that the energy it looks so scientifically stylish fashionable youth and so I want to justify the fact that Marx was a round fool. But nevermind doesn’t work. And even if you attach nichrome to a dog’s tail, it won’t work for you because Marx, in his judgments, relied on logic and facts. And you have one subjective self-conceit who has not really understood the question of man.
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                      I passed the theory of value perfectly. In graduate school. And there is more demand from graduate students than from students.

                      So what? Well, you’ve memorized it or understood something like that in your own way. The same argument to me is graduate school. Here professors and academicians sometimes carry game. Yes, that far to go no further than last week I encountered a student IT specialist who was not aware of the procedure for performing arithmetic operations. What is this high school class? The first?
                      1. aybolyt678 24 February 2020 19: 43 New
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                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Has this energy fallen from heaven or the result of someone else's labor?

                        exactly!! soon you’ll become completely manual! smile it is electricity that is the result of labor, and a means of ensuring 90% of labor, and an indicator of the development of technologies. That is why the ruble-kilowatt should be the equivalent of value ... and not the dollar, or man-hours. Whoever first breaks this idea will be on the horse !!!
                        PS: I even put pluses for you smile I believe you will grow
                    2. IS-80_RVGK2 24 February 2020 13: 14 New
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                      And this is very difficult ...

                      Here, I'm sorry I can’t help. If you really want to understand the question so that certain formulas, laws, theorems would not be for you something mysteriously incomprehensible, you should always go deep digging tons of materials to get to the bottom of things. Well, along with the understanding that this understanding is limited due to the nature of man.
                      1. aybolyt678 24 February 2020 20: 01 New
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                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        always go deep digging tons of materials to get to the point

                        in the study of Marx, the habitual use of Russian words breaks. In the spoken language, the words cost and price have practically the same meaning. But the essence is simple, the cost is measured by the time of the specialist and the price is money, the first is changed by the technological level and the other is by demand and supply. It seems to me that if you fight for the purity of the Russian language and attach greater importance to the meaning of words, much will become easier and more understandable. An example is Culture - a system of internal restrictions, and the Ministry of Culture, which is essentially a ministry of initiative. If the activities of the Ministry of Culture would proceed from the meaning as a system of educating internal restrictions, then perestroika would not be possible in the USSR, and if I sponsor amateur initiative, it is a hotbed of separatism today.
                  2. aybolyt678 24 February 2020 09: 59 New
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                    It is sad

                    add a nickle. Today, even many "expert analysts" do not know Marx's theory of value. Everywhere. Although huge material has been accumulated today with illustrative examples, Nobody Wants to process Marxism into digestible content. This gives rise to widespread denial and assertion that all this is erroneous.
                    The theory of Marx, today, can explain any economic nuances .... But after the back. In order to calculate something for the future, we must, as Lenin said, use - all the knowledge developed by mankind. In addition to knowledge, it is necessary to use modern information technology, otherwise we are just dinosaurs.
        2. volodimer 22 February 2020 18: 18 New
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          Sooner or later, a person will appear who writes: "A ghost walks on ..."
          And from this begins a new round of history.
          1. aybolyt678 22 February 2020 19: 46 New
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            Quote: volodimer
            Sooner or later, a person will appear who writes: "A ghost walks on ..

            laughing you are welcome! : a ghost walks in Europe ... the ghost of Islam smile
  2. Mavrikiy 20 February 2020 08: 20 New
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    Modern unions: workers' rights advocates or capital hirers
    And what doubt is that, the crowd is under the slogan: "United Russia" request
    1. iouris 20 February 2020 14: 37 New
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      This means that this is precisely the “crowd” - an organized demonstration, and not a trade union organization.
  3. Van 16 20 February 2020 08: 21 New
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    Yes, what kind of fighters do we have ... they are dancing to the tune of the administration, I have long left the union and I have no regrets
    1. bessmertniy 20 February 2020 09: 15 New
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      Unlike parties, they do not even fight for popularity. They understand that they have zero. No rallies, no strikes! As if there was no reason for that! Just parasites and scammers, collecting contributions from those who still give them. negative
  4. steelmaker 20 February 2020 08: 23 New
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    The current trade unions are traitors and informers in our ranks !!
    1. iouris 20 February 2020 14: 46 New
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      "Trade Unions - the School of Communism" (Lenin).
      In fact, labor unions are different. The trade unions in England, or the social democratic organizations of Germany, not much different from the trade unions, on the eve of World War I were mass structures that restrained the appetites of the capitalist owners regarding working conditions and thereby to some extent helped to improve working and leisure conditions working people. But all the same, this ended with the fact that Social Democracy supported the war for the interests of the capitalists and the improvement of their working conditions. As a result, a revolution took place in Russia.
      In the US, unions played a huge role. Today, this role is downgraded in the interests of "business." The dismantling of the Soviet project hit the interests of the working people of all countries.
  5. apro 20 February 2020 08: 29 New
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    It’s easier to buy a union boss. Than to satisfy the demands of workers. Nothing personal is a business ...
    1. pmkemcity 20 February 2020 09: 09 New
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      Quote: apro
      It’s easier to buy a union boss. Than to satisfy the demands of workers. Nothing personal is a business ...

      Very often, in childhood, we played the following things on the steps of the school:

      Someone pointed a finger at the kid, and shouted - Rafferty! Everyone immediately threw their affairs, and began to "wet" the poor fellow with snowballs.
      1. Uncle lee 20 February 2020 09: 20 New
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        No wonder the professional workers after this film began to call Rafferty!
  6. Lamata 20 February 2020 08: 31 New
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    The trade union in the Russian Federation has long been profanity.
    1. _Sergei_ 20 February 2020 09: 23 New
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      But in Kazakhstan differently?
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        also, only three I know, more or less, Kazakhmys (copper), Mittal, and coal miners, something else they somehow baig. Philip Maurice is still a bit, he holds on there, the rest, mm, well, nothing.
    2. AU Ivanov. 20 February 2020 11: 13 New
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      A true union is created only from below. And representatives of the leadership in it do not belong. What is supported by the administration is not a union.
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    It used to be all complicated, but then the legal framework was FOR THE EMPLOYEE!
    Now, now ... in different ways, as always. Everything depends on the team, the activity of robots, union members. This is exactly the organization that we are forming ourselves, so there is no need to kick someone.
    1. Cruorvult 20 February 2020 08: 43 New
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      The correct thought, and there are different examples, including when they help sue the employer, but as usual with hamsters, everything was gone.
      1. rocket757 20 February 2020 09: 03 New
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        Quote: CruorVult
        The correct thought, and there are different examples, including when they help sue the employer, but as usual with hamsters, everything was gone.

        There are different examples too! But then again, for someone who is used to lying on their side, everything disappeared even before they tried to do something.
  8. Squelcher 20 February 2020 08: 37 New
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    The trade union is different, the same ITF can make so many problems for the ship-owner a convenient flag that my mother doesn’t worry, though usually you can get a black ticket from the employer for contacting the ITF.
  9. Aviator_ 20 February 2020 08: 37 New
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    It is not for nothing that the Shmakov union is called blue - naturally, by the color of the flag. Do not think of anything else, intolerant.
  10. Van 16 20 February 2020 08: 39 New
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    A friend in Vsevolozhsk worked at Ford, judging by his stories, there really was a trade union, only where is that Ford and that trade union now ..
    And we have a trade union for proforma, to distribute New Year's gifts ..
    1. Cruorvult 20 February 2020 08: 45 New
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      The union lives on the deducted money from your salaries, if you are few, then it remains only for gifts, but how do you like?
    2. rocket757 20 February 2020 09: 05 New
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      Quote: Van 16
      And we have a trade union for proforma, to distribute New Year's gifts ..

      And on February 23 and March 8, a box of chocolates?
      1. Van 16 20 February 2020 11: 38 New
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        No, I don’t remember that)) maximum postcard, one per plot))
        1. rocket757 20 February 2020 11: 41 New
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          Ours will be richer ... though the candies are the cheapest, that's a fact.
  11. paul3390 20 February 2020 08: 41 New
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    Considering the Soviet trade union for fiction - it simply never worked in those days at a large factory ..
    1. bessmertniy 20 February 2020 09: 21 New
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      Yes, then the union was revered even more than the party, because the party demanded, and the union gave.
    2. Lamata 20 February 2020 09: 26 New
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      The Soviet trade union, especially before the restructuring, was not a fiction.
    3. chenia 20 February 2020 09: 51 New
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      Quote: paul3390
      Considering the Soviet trade union for fiction - it simply never worked in those days at a large factory.


      They did not play a special role at that time.
      But then there were two components.
      1. legislation protecting the employee
      2. and party control (and these guys could tilt any director, the head of the head, the minister)
      Well, the lack of unemployment.
    4. AU Ivanov. 20 February 2020 11: 08 New
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      Soviet trade unions are complete bullshit. They never took the side of the employee, but always danced to the tune of the administration and calls from party bodies. Permits yes, they gave. But this, in fact, is not the task of the trade unions.
      1. paul3390 20 February 2020 11: 52 New
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        The patient’s nonsense, not like he didn’t work at the factory — he didn’t even live in the USSR.
  12. phair 20 February 2020 08: 46 New
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    Graduators steam whistle. They do not solve anything. I was familiar with the functionary from the railway pro ... And when Vikzhel decided a lot.
  13. Dur_mod 20 February 2020 08: 49 New
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    We have the vast majority of hard workers - cowards. Everyone is brave in a conversation, but it all comes to the bushes, the tooth got sick, the cord got loose, the wife called ...
    1. rocket757 20 February 2020 09: 07 New
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      Water doesn’t stand beneath a lying stone ... We don’t have a stone, the bulygan is unbearable, even for their interests they don’t want to move.
    2. Mestny 20 February 2020 09: 10 New
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      They are quite justified. Because to stand alone against the employer has almost no chance of success. In the best case, you have to spend a year or more, a bunch of your money, nerves and health. And with a probability of 50%, such a fighter will lose his job anyway.
      It is for this that unions are needed. Not these, but real ones - with a powerful legal and financial base to the very top.
      It is their creation that all top-level communists should deal with.
  14. Mestny 20 February 2020 08: 50 New
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    So the Communist Party would have taken up the creation of real, effective trade unions. Laws allow, they have competent lawyers.
    But no, they don’t.
    1. mr.ZinGer 20 February 2020 09: 00 New
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      It's like bees versus honey
      1. Mestny 20 February 2020 09: 02 New
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        But this would be a real, practical step towards the achievement of those goals about which they scream all over the Internet.
        It turns out that building a social state is not at all the goal that they want to achieve.
        That is, it turns out that all that they shout is all lies.
    2. Cruorvult 20 February 2020 09: 11 New
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      Ahahaha, duck for this money Grudinin does not pay, it is necessary to ride at a rally for a closed joint-stock company.
    3. U-58 20 February 2020 11: 09 New
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      For what the Communist Party of the Russian Federation would not start, it will immediately receive hands from the authorities.
      Moreover, in such a dangerous topic for the leaders as an organized and united trade union movement
  15. fif21 20 February 2020 08: 51 New
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    The fact that working people live normally in the West is a merit, first of all, of trade unions. Strikes in the event of failure to comply with union requirements are normal. Union leaders live on employee contributions, and do not sit in the administrative buildings of companies. In the Russian Federation, unions are supported by the employer, and whose interests will they protect? recourse
    1. Cruorvult 20 February 2020 09: 13 New
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      Our trade unions are chewing at the expense of workers' contributions, there is a deduction from the salary. It’s just that the majority is nowhere to be found, either they don’t want anything, or they remember how they gave permits before, but now they’re a shish, and nobody wants to do anything.
  16. g1washntwn 20 February 2020 09: 00 New
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    It is difficult to discuss something in some places that is already missing or for some hardly noticeable - on the one hand. On the other hand, this rudimentary process of the “scoop” (which is actually strange from the point of view of striving for social equality and justice) is still hanging out at enterprises and prevents it from turning wage workers into a completely frank “resource for profit” - and in cattle. Today we for them - HR (Human Resources) - are not people with our needs and difficulties, we are needed only for profit. Why robotics and automation? Performance? Yes, but only in part. The robot is silent, does not strike and does not pump right.
    And finally, dissatisfied with the inaction of his union? Well, go and do it as it should.
    Do not scold the sky that did not give rain, and shovel in your hands - irrigate the channel.
  17. svp67 20 February 2020 09: 20 New
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    "The modern Russian trade union" is a "semi-legal commercial organization that collects money from workers, for its existence and completely fails to fulfill its direct duties to protect the rights of workers.
    Honestly, I really expected that at the time of the crisis with the level of salaries and the distribution of duties and burdens on our health workers, independent and militant unions would begin to appear in Russia, since it was their business to defend the rights of workers .. but somehow everything went into "steam" and sorry ... really sorry
  18. Zaurbek 20 February 2020 09: 21 New
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    Western hirelings ... and what the Russian trade unions do is a mystery to me. Although we have a majority of civil servants
  19. Oleg Zatsepin 20 February 2020 09: 25 New
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    Not a union, but a "union organization." The difference is huge. Rather, it is a legal quack sect. The top by any means, including blackmail and threats, attracts "adherents", they take contributions from them, hold meetings with meaningless speeches, write reports upstairs, mainly about the affiliate network coverage of the audience and that’s all. Even the grossest violations of the Labor Code are left without the slightest attention. For example, part-timers are not counted and paid overtime, never had to pay a downtime, never caused any reaction to a systematic reduction in the price of work, any arbitrariness of the "employer", etc. The only thing it was able to do in my address was not to record my children on New Year's gifts, but they reproached me with bottled water, because I am not a member, in principle. But in organizing banquets at the reception of commissions and delegations, and the liveliest participation in them, here they have no equal.
  20. anjey 20 February 2020 09: 37 New
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    and the owners of large enterprises have long learned that it is better to sacrifice small things within reasonable limits than run into a labor conflict.
    It’s a pity not all and not in all regions of Russia, in subsidized regions - entrepreneurs cooperating jointly average and lower salaries (many entrepreneurs in city and regional councils sit) sad ....
  21. 75 Sergey 20 February 2020 09: 43 New
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    Now the trade union is one appearance, the labor market does not protect and does not protect, more often it lies under the directors of enterprises, where they are created in the form of private offices.
  22. Ros 56 20 February 2020 10: 32 New
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    I don’t know how in the West, but now we have this shop on its own. It has nothing to do with protecting the rights of the working people. But money for its existence is regularly exhausted from hard workers.
    1. Mestny 20 February 2020 10: 54 New
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      Well, is someone in the West organizing strikes? British teachers, for example, went on strike. And that's all. Here, whatever one may say, no matter what the capitalist may be, you will have to decide something.
  23. U-58 20 February 2020 10: 39 New
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    I don’t know how up there. Once in 10 years, Shmakov tries to show the struggle for rights. But he understands that if he sticks out a little harder, they will immediately be kicked out of the post.
    There is no independence of trade unions.
    And for the "lower classes", for the primary organizations, all the hires of the capitalists.
    They are in the states of enterprises and organizations, they receive salaries from them.
    Therefore, they completely calmly “agree” on any decisions of administrations aimed at infringing on labor rights, rights to rest and other things.
  24. place 20 February 2020 10: 57 New
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    AUTHOR WRITES: “For most contemporaries, the Soviet trade union committees are mostly associated with the vivid image of the uncontrollable activist Shurochka from the unforgettable“ Office Romance ”.

    This is an obvious lie. For most of the people living in those days, trade unions are privileged and free trips to the south, sanatoriums, camp sites, mutual assistance cash registers ..... restrictions on the arbitrariness of the administration. WE HAVE NOT ALL BEEN OUT !!! Therefore, too "early bird started singing ......".
  25. Old Orc 20 February 2020 11: 50 New
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    Modern unions have 2 problems. 1 Failure to understand that now it is not socialism but capitalism and the action of the trade unions should be directed not at the vouchers, but at the struggle for the welfare of all workers. It is impossible to win in one enterprise. Within the framework, there are growing chances. 2. Now globalization and the strike of one enterprise will arouse interest in the maximum of state bodies, and this is not necessary. and the products will be compensated by Chinese comrades. without international support, nothing will be achieved. and she’s not here now. so at the moment the unions are servants of the capitalists.
  26. Krasnoyarsk 20 February 2020 12: 20 New
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    = It is impossible a priori to imagine a trade union organizing, say, a strike even at the most contingent factory in the USSR. =
    Was it necessary? Workers in something infringed? Or would the author just crow?
  27. prior 20 February 2020 12: 52 New
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    Modern trade unions are not hired capital, but its "women with low social responsibility."
  28. rosomaha 20 February 2020 16: 03 New
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    again a kidney article with a relevant headline. Admins .. well, honestly the word .. these 2 authors already got these articles on 1 page. Put the minimum amount of inf for articles .. at least 3 pages. I already do so, open the article .. see the author and the volume .. if Gravovsky, Kharaluzhny .. everything, then there will be no 2 pages ... and inform the contents - a statement what everyone knows ... sales can not be read. Although in a normal article this is just an introduction. And then analytical information is required and his own vision of the problem, a solution.
  29. andrew42 20 February 2020 16: 22 New
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    Capital hires? - No, "hirelings" is too loud and even weighty. Minions, sticks - so it will be more correct.
  30. Comrade Kim 20 February 2020 16: 24 New
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    Quote: DMB 75
    Capital hire. Fighters for the rights of workers, they have long ceased to be.


    Member of United Russia I do not agree with you!
    Svetlana Bessarab claims that our compatriots are pleased to increase the retirement age:
  31. akunin 20 February 2020 17: 27 New
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    In many countries, they have long turned, using the vocabulary of left-wing politicians, into hired capitalists who do not care about the rights of workers, but, on the contrary, help owners more effectively keep them in check.
    and Russia in this number
    There can hardly be any discussion of a real struggle for their rights in the current conditions, and working conditions are, as a rule, not so bad as to risk what they have, having the prospect of being left without work altogether.
    I wish the author to leave Moscow and see for what and how people work in the periphery9 due to poor working conditions), and "our" trade unions - for minced meat and cats for food.
  32. pepel 20 February 2020 21: 12 New
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    Unions need to change working methods. Instead of organizing strikes and strikes, we need to move on to the legal form of struggle. For any labor disputes, the courts should be inundated with lawsuits against employers. Unions need to organize a powerful legal service to accompany claims against employers in courts, provide legal support for strikes and strikes, if you can’t do without it. Something like this.
  33. Nitarius 21 February 2020 06: 30 New
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    everything is correctly said ... people from the 90s are right now so intimidated .. that people are simply afraid of something either! in the 90s, the brothers quickly reassured the dissatisfied ... because there wasn’t just any cops! and now in bulk .. so those are generally mediocrity, they are used as fools and they are happy to try! not understanding what fools are! but if it’s real, strikes and strikes .. about and a working day can be brought up to 5-6 hours of work and 4 days a week!
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    We do not have trade unions and never have, which means we are not talking about anything.