The reality of the day: T-90M instead of “Almaty”


Our military department announced that the troops will begin to enter Tanks T-90M.


If we discard the cheery assurances that "by 2027 there will be 900 truly modern tanks in the troops", still by 2027 it will still be necessary to survive and recall this promise, then the reality is this: the T-90M may become skeleton tank troops. If everything goes as it should.

Alexander Potapov (General Director of Uralvagonzavod) no later than February 13 carefully commented on the plans in the spirit of the fact that “I think that this year we will see them.”

Here it must be said that Alexander Valerievich had in mind NEW tanks. That is completely new. And this is only part of the plan. Since the main work is the modernization of tanks of the T-90A models from 2004-2011 to the level of T-90M.

In general, three contracts for 160 cars were concluded. Of these, 40 will be new, and 120 will be upgraded to the T-90M level. The modernization mainly concerned the electronic filling of the fire control system, in particular, tracking targets and installing a new dynamic defense on the tower. Systems have been tested properly, now it's up to implementation.

In 2020, the plant will have to ship at least 15 new tanks.

The figure, say, is not impressive. Both general and promising for the year. However, do not rush, you really need to figure it out.

Let's start with the number 160.

It will have, as I understand it, to share. For a certain number of battalions, the armament of which will be these tanks. It’s the battalions, because after all the battalion we have is the main tactical unit.

At 31, the number "160" is not completely divisible. Exactly 31 tanks are in service with the tank battalion in the tank regiment. So, we look at the tank battalion as part of the SME. And it has 40 tanks. Already better. The files, as Mikhail Zadornov, now deceased, used to say, came together.

So, in the framework of the rearmament program, the new T-90M plans to equip 4 tank battalions in motorized rifle regiments.

Many? Few?

Well, the French today have 226 Leclerc troops in the ground forces. The Germans - 224 "Leopards-2" in stock and almost 300 more in reserve. The Italians have 200 Ariete and 120 Leopards.

If you look like this, it is quite comparable with the armies of our potential ...

That is, 160 tanks, or 4 tank battalions as part of some kind of MSD, there is no sense in breaking up, nevertheless, there will be a difference in service, most likely, or some kind of such brigade.

Personally, I like the idea of ​​a brigade armed with such tanks. It looks very serious.


But let's think about the question: how much is all this timely, justified and useful?

I think that this initiative of the Ministry of Defense is both timely and useful at the same time.

It would be quite clear that there will be no “Almaty”, and the T-72, although it is a B3 (and even B3m), it is still a T-72, whatever Yuri Borisov says. This is a tank, which, alas, is almost (and with development at all) fifty years old.

And I don’t care how well they buy it, as Mr. Vice Prime Minister Borisov has repeatedly stated, buying is not an indicator of combat qualities. You can buy for various reasons.

T-72 is a tank of the middle of the last century, no matter how you try to upgrade it, it will not become modern. Alas. And we’ll finish on that topic of an imminent armored hero (an anniversary is just 50 in Latin).

But the potential of the T-90 is not something that has not been fully revealed, today we can confidently say from experience with the T-72: they have not even come close to the middle. Therefore, the beginning of modernization will be a very, very significant step.

Obviously, the T-90A model tanks, which were produced not so long ago, from 2004 to 2011, fall primarily under modernization. Unambiguously re-equipping these vehicles will not cost as much time and labor as tanks of earlier production periods.

The experience of using the T-90 in the Indian Armed Forces has shown how serious the T-90 is when used correctly. The fact that the Ministry of Defense made such a decision will only benefit our armed forces.

And here you can ask yourself the question: how much will the combat potential of the Russian ground forces increase?

160 tanks - well, we have already come to the conclusion that this is not much, but not a little. But in order to confidently talk about some milestones there in 5-7 years, it is worth really thinking a little more broadly.

And look at the warehouses. This is in order to really see and evaluate the prospect of the modernization that has begun, if there is one.

I will express my opinion that it has, if everything goes the way we think. Because the entire volume of T-90 tanks in the troops and at storage bases is today estimated at about 550 units.


160 units out of 550 available in the troops and at storage bases - this is a third.

That is, the very idea of ​​upgrading 160 vehicles will not have such a significant impact on the combat capabilities of our ground forces in general and tank forces in particular, however, if the rest of the T-90 is upgraded in subsequent years, plus the release of new tanks, as mentioned in the program - This is already a more serious situation.

Do not forget that as the modernized T-90M tanks enter the troops, crews will be trained for them, the technical base will be improved, and technical personnel will be retrained. And over time, with the arrival of only 100-150 new machines from the factories and the modernization of all T-90s available in warehouses and storage bases, we will be able to talk about 7-8 regiments fully equipped with T-90M tanks. That results in 3-4 tank brigades or 2 tank divisions.

But this is a very serious force, which can really greatly enhance the combat capabilities of Russian tank troops.

And not at the expense of the ceremonial “Almaty”, which, according to our modern principles, will be brought to mind for another 10 years, but at the expense of the tank, which showed itself perfectly in combat conditions. Not with us, unfortunately (or fortunately), but in the service in another state, but nevertheless, the T-90M is a real opportunity to strengthen our defenses. Yes, and offensive power, too, will not remain in the loser.

The main thing is that the program really works, and does not "shift to the right" for 15 years, as has often happened in our country recently.

The idea is quite decent, let's look at the execution.
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  1. Lexus 20 February 2020 05: 53 New
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    The promise is expected after 2024. Russian realities today. The proverb is already "corrected."
    1. Svarog 20 February 2020 08: 40 New
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      The main thing is that the program really works, and does not "shift to the right" for 15 years, as has often happened in our country recently.

      In order for our programs to work, you need to not only sell oil and gas .. and monitor the barrel every day .. Industry, electronics, pharmacology .. in general, in other words, the development of all vital industries must take place .. and yes. there will be a barrel expensive, will be made by 2024, it will be cheap, pushed to the right ..
    2. figwam 20 February 2020 10: 36 New
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      At 31, the number "160" is not completely divisible.

      Over 160 tanks have been announced.
      It would be quite clear that there will be no “Almaty”,

      In 2020, the state tests of the Armata tank will end, and then the production of serial vehicles for military tests.
      1. Sling cutter 20 February 2020 12: 34 New
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        Quote: figvam
        In 2020, the state tests of the Armata tank will end, and then the production of serial vehicles for military tests.

        In 2020, we were promised 25 million qualified jobs and salaries in these places at $ 2.600. So what? Do you see the gopher?
        1. figwam 20 February 2020 13: 01 New
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          Quote: Stroporez
          In 2020, we were promised 25 million skilled jobs.

          This was stated in peacetime, after the coup on the outskirts of Crimea and the beginning of sanctions and a hybrid war against Russia.
          1. Sling cutter 20 February 2020 13: 14 New
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            Quote: figvam
            This was stated in peacetime, after the coup on the outskirts of Crimea and the beginning of sanctions and a hybrid war against Russia.

            This is a twist!))) Comment of the day !!! wassat
            Do you comrade Figwam really believe what you wrote? Does this mean an increase in the retirement age, VAT, property taxes, you also explain, with the above facts? Then do not fool your head, declare martial law and general mobilization! or go to the doctor, it will be more logical, just before that remove the TV from your head, otherwise there will be relapses. hi
            1. figwam 20 February 2020 13: 27 New
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              Quote: Stroporez
              Do you comrade Figwam really believe what you wrote?

              The fact that our economy is crushed by sanctions? Didn't you know that? I hope you already have a doctor.
              1. Gene84 20 February 2020 13: 33 New
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                Quote: figvam
                The fact that our economy is crushed by sanctions? Didn't you know that?

                we were hit by import substitution for sanctions. and where is import substitution?
                1. Uncle Vanya Susanin 20 February 2020 17: 53 New
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                  https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/130553/
                  here they are .
              2. Sling cutter 20 February 2020 13: 49 New
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                Quote: figvam
                The fact that our economy is crushed by sanctions? Didn't you know that?

                The president clearly told you “sanctions are in our favor” - this is the second and the second, you have little idea of ​​what the sanctions are, against whom they are imposed
                1. figwam 20 February 2020 14: 08 New
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                  Quote: Stroporez
                  you have little idea what sanctions are, against whom they are imposed

                  What are you? I work at an enterprise that is under sanctions and in my own skin felt their effect both on wages and on equipment that was purchased in Europe, which was not available, first because of the jump in the dollar and euro in 2014 after the Crimea, then because of the sanctions that forbidden to buy it. We switched to Chinese, and this year some production equipment was purchased domestically, so it's not for me to tell you about the sanctions and against whom they are.
              3. TANKISTONE 20 February 2020 14: 22 New
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                figvam (Sergey)

                The fact that our economy is crushed by sanctions? Didn't you know that? I hope you already have a doctor.

                When the Soviet Union was crushed by sanctions, you, as a citizen, as a worker / employee, how did you feel then on yourself, on the economy, on wages, on the state-guaranteed work / school place, these sanctions?
                What today is REALLY carried out on time (especially in spite of sanctions) ???
                1. figwam 20 February 2020 15: 19 New
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                  Quote: TANKISTONE
                  When the Soviet Union was crushed by sanctions,

                  The USSR was with its own closed economy, since 1991 Russia has been integrating at full speed into the western one, so it’s so easy to bite us.
                  1. vadsonen 20 February 2020 16: 24 New
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                    Since 1991, Russia has been integrating at full speed into the West, so it’s so easy to bite us.

                    By your logic, Russia can easily bite. He just doesn’t bite, because oil - gas - round timber can, albeit more expensively, be bought anywhere.
                    1. figwam 20 February 2020 17: 22 New
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                      Quote: vadsonen
                      By your logic, Russia can easily bite.

                      And you didn’t hear that sanctions hit each other and Europe lost hundreds of billions of dollars.
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 20 February 2020 20: 35 New
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                        Quote: figvam
                        And you didn’t hear that sanctions hit each other and Europe lost hundreds of billions of dollars.

                        But for some reason, in Europe, the standard of living of the population is not declining, unlike Russia.
                      2. figwam 20 February 2020 22: 00 New
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                        Quote: Alf
                        But for some reason, in Europe, the standard of living of the population is not declining, unlike Russia.

                        Due to sanctions, their profit is reduced. there is no expansion, growth and development, and we do not have investments, enterprises and jobs are not created.
                      3. Octopus 21 February 2020 08: 54 New
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                        Quote: figvam
                        sanctions reduced profits because there is no expansion, growth and development,

                        For a country the size of Switzerland (in terms of foreign trade), you have too much self-conceit.
                      4. Nubia2 22 February 2020 17: 18 New
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                        you’ve definitely reviewed federal channels ..
                      5. Nameless 22 February 2020 22: 50 New
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                        And you heard the radio Echo of Moscow!
                    2. Alf
                      Alf 22 February 2020 23: 06 New
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                      Quote: figvam
                      and we don’t have investments,

                      And why do we need investments if the money itself has so much that there’s nowhere to go?
                      Quote: figvam
                      enterprises and jobs are not created.

                      Are the sanctions also to blame? Or stupid domestic economic policies?
                    3. hydrox 24 February 2020 11: 02 New
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                      You are wrong :: this policy is not economic, because it is formed NOT by economists, NOT financiers, NOT industrialists and NOT business executives, but by politicians who do not have a clue about the balance of productive forces with production relations :: otherwise - if you are planning a new modernized army and fleet and spend a lot of money on defense, first you need to take care of building such a life that you want to protect it ...
                      In the meantime, the interests of the oligarchs are protected, the people will live without a social system, without a pension, without education and without health until the state gains the rights to trade and manage resources, owns the fuel and energy complex and infrastructure, and lays down a progressive tax from the oligarchy , but will not blow bubbles, fighting off the desires of thieves to buy EVERYTHING !!
                    4. Alf
                      Alf 24 February 2020 17: 43 New
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                      Quote: hydrox
                      You're not right::

                      What am I talking about? That's what I’m talking about.
                      Quote: hydrox
                      while the state ... will not blow bubbles, fighting off the desires of thieves to buy EVERYTHING !!

                      What are you speaking about ? Our state just consists of oligarchs, and all these scandals that have come out show only that there is a struggle between the oligarchs themselves for a bold piece, but not a war between the state and bandits in haute couture costumes.
                    5. hydrox 24 February 2020 21: 06 New
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                      False :: it does not consist of oligarchs, it consists of a population and power in the presence of the oligarchy, but power does not express the interests of the population, but of the oligarchs - hence all the friction and confusion between the authorities and the population.
            2. Nameless 22 February 2020 22: 49 New
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              I would not say that it is declining. How did you define this? Are you short of money for the new Sony Playstation?
          2. TANKISTONE 22 February 2020 14: 48 New
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            figvam (Sergey)

            And you didn’t hear that sanctions hit each other and Europe lost hundreds of billions of dollars.
            Is this the "first-channel" zombie box you announced? Well, yes, and the number of millionaires in Europe and Russia is increasing ... An interesting arithmetic is obtained ...
    3. Malyuta 20 February 2020 22: 25 New
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      Today, despite the sanctions in the Russian Federation, the number of dollar billionaires is REALLY and steadily increasing.
      “Under the new decree of the president and the government’s plan this year, we will assemble and release 10 brand new billionaires in London with localization of production of 100%” (c)
      Source: Danaunas.
      1. Gene84 20 February 2020 22: 38 New
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        Quote: Malyuta
        Today, despite the sanctions in the Russian Federation, the number of dollar billionaires is REALLY and steadily increasing

        In mid-2018, there were 172 thousand millionaires in Russia. In 2019, the number of millionaires increased by 1.5 times and amounted to 246 thousand.
        There were 2018 billionaires in 74, 2019 in 110!
        At the same time, 49.4% of Russian families can afford to buy only food and clothing.
        The population of Russia with an income below the subsistence level has become 18.6 million people! That is, 12% of Russia's population live below the poverty line!
        These are the disappointing shifts in our economy.
        https://www.kp.ru/daily/27049.3/4113913/
        1. figwam 21 February 2020 09: 42 New
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          Quote: Malyuta
          Today, despite the sanctions in the Russian Federation, the number of dollar billionaires is REALLY and steadily increasing

          Quote: Gene84
          In mid-2018, there were 172 thousand millionaires in Russia. In 2019, the number of millionaires increased by 1.5 times

          They just pulled money offshore)
          1. Alf
            Alf 21 February 2020 19: 03 New
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            Quote: figvam
            They just pulled money offshore)

            And where did they put it? In the Russian economy?
  • Gene84 20 February 2020 13: 32 New
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    Quote: figvam
    This was stated in peacetime.

    we have a kind of war with no one and is not yet in sight.
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin 20 February 2020 13: 09 New
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    Who promised this?
  • Deck 20 February 2020 15: 33 New
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    In 2020, the state tests of the Armata tank will end, and then the production of serial vehicles for military tests.


    So, the program 12TV373 (code "Seagull") is closed. This means that the Armata tank does not have an engine and is not expected, this means that the tank will be delivered to the troops in the most defensive configuration - in the form of cozy small fortresses placed around the perimeter. The position of the driver is abolished, instead of him there will be an additional spy or charging minibar or, if the tank is declared profitable, the chair will be decorated as a sunbed.
    1. figwam 20 February 2020 15: 40 New
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      Quote: Deck
      This means that the Armata tank does not have an engine and is not expected

      But what has he been driving for five years?
      1. Alf
        Alf 20 February 2020 20: 37 New
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        Quote: figvam
        Quote: Deck
        This means that the Armata tank does not have an engine and is not expected

        But what has he been driving for five years?

        And how many Armats are released today? A hundred ? Two? One thousand ? On what is now, dviguny can be assembled and bypass technology.
        1. figwam 20 February 2020 22: 06 New
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          Quote: Alf
          And how many Armats are released today? A hundred ? Two? One thousand ? On what is now, dviguny can be assembled and bypass technology.

          All released Armata drive A-85-3A engines with which they will go into series.
          1. Alf
            Alf 20 February 2020 22: 08 New
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            Quote: figvam
            Quote: Alf
            And how many Armats are released today? A hundred ? Two? One thousand ? On what is now, dviguny can be assembled and bypass technology.

            All released Armata drive A-85-3A engines with which they will go into series.

            My favorite quote from one book is “God forbid,” said the intelligence chief, who does not believe in God or in hell.
    2. 1976AG 21 February 2020 15: 21 New
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      Quote: Deck
      In 2020, the state tests of the Armata tank will end, and then the production of serial vehicles for military tests.


      So, the program 12TV373 (code "Seagull") is closed. This means that the Armata tank does not have an engine and is not expected, this means that the tank will be delivered to the troops in the most defensive configuration - in the form of cozy small fortresses placed around the perimeter. The position of the driver is abolished, instead of him there will be an additional spy or charging minibar or, if the tank is declared profitable, the chair will be decorated as a sunbed.

      It only means that one specific project is closed and does not mean anything else.
      1. Deck 21 February 2020 16: 56 New
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        I don’t understand - did you leave the minibar?
  • 1976AG 21 February 2020 15: 17 New
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    Quote: figvam
    At 31, the number "160" is not completely divisible.

    Over 160 tanks have been announced.
    It would be quite clear that there will be no “Almaty”,

    In 2020, the state tests of the Armata tank will end, and then the production of serial vehicles for military tests.

    The author, as usual, in the absence of accurate data, tries to insert his versions. More recently, the same experts, and maybe he including, argued that there would be no bulk procurement of Su-57. For them it is always HOW all is clear. On the basis of these, the whole "analytics" is built.
    1. Nameless 22 February 2020 23: 21 New
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      Just like him, they are guided by an impressionable and simple-minded audience for fooling and growing grave-diggers from their homeland from it. Then all sorts of “human rights defenders” and “public figures” put it into circulation for the sake of their political interests - for a comprehensive “fight against the regime”. Often, such agitators I already meet on the streets and in public places. The Internet, unlike TV or radio, is almost not controlled by any censorship - that’s what they use. Now where not to get into - everywhere in the comments and articles all sorts of marginals under the guise of "fighters for justice" are trying to promote neo-Stalinism and pathetically "fight." Even on gaming sites, there is a place for such personalities. Here, in principle, most of the commenters consist of such activists - they are now cons to me and they will dump.
  • Brigadier 20 February 2020 06: 00 New
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    With the current socially-predatory, tax-pressing and west-oriented extractive-raw-material policies of Putin and his Putinists, which led to the closure or ruin of many of our enterprises, both civilian and defense, I’m afraid we wouldn’t have to deduce from warehouses "well ... very deep storage" and put into operation BT-7 and T-34.

    What really is “Armata” with its “T-14".
    If only something ... no recourse request
    1. astronom1973n 20 February 2020 08: 18 New
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      Quote: Brigadier
      the policies of Putin and his Putinists, which led to the closure or ruin of many of our enterprises

      Yeltsin and Gorbachev's merit is no less in the collapse and ruin, but primarily in the betrayal of the interests of the country! Nobody remembers about this? Everybody blasphemes the existing power. , to the cheers of friends from overseas.
      1. tech3030 20 February 2020 14: 53 New
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        Is Putin a continuation of Yeltsin, or has no one been convinced of this yet?
      2. Nameless 22 February 2020 23: 32 New
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        They are simply trying to insinuate the president and thus get rid of him like a king on a chessboard - so that you can put in his place a protege or an extremely incompetent person. This is just their agitation. Already seen enough on the Internet.
    2. EvilLion 20 February 2020 08: 19 New
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      As you lifted up, fasten an avatar with Stalin and lie, how everything is bad with us. It is time to return to really useful Soviet practices, for example, punitive psychiatry.
      1. Lopatov 20 February 2020 10: 46 New
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        laughing
        In general, medical fact6, American “Abrams” replaced their predecessors for 14 years. At the time of writing off the last M60, M1A2 was already present in the troops.
        And this is in a country that has done without Perestroika, and also "prints money" ©

        Everything is much more complicated than it seems to some.
        1. Alexey RA 20 February 2020 12: 40 New
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          Quote: Spade
          In general, medical fact6, American “Abrams” replaced their predecessors for 14 years. At the time of writing off the last M60, M1A2 was already present in the troops.

          Pomnitsa, the marines even managed to fight on their M60s in Desert Storm. And in NG M60 they kept it until 1997.
          1. Lopatov 20 February 2020 13: 00 New
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            Just narot misunderstands that modernization is required. And 72's. and the 80s and 90s. Regardless of whether Armata appears in the troops
            1. Romario_Argo 20 February 2020 14: 58 New
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              Just narot misunderstands

              there will never be a clean tank battle: tank against tank
              that's why we create ACS and national defense centers for command and control
              everything in the complex
              tanks can also work: motorized guns with ATGM, BMP-3, BMP-2M, BM Chrysanthemum
              Mi-28, Ka-52, Mi-35 helicopters
              attack aircraft and bombers Su-25, Su-34, even fighters Su-35, Su-30
              MLRS Grad, Tornado, Hurricane, Tornado incl. remote mining
              Self-propelled guns Msta, Carnation, Acacia - from closed positions
              OTRK Iskander - cluster warheads with self-aiming elements as in MLRS
              so the T-14 is not in a hurry
              1. Lopatov 20 February 2020 15: 09 New
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                Quote: Romario_Argo
                there will never be a clean tank battle: tank against tank

                That's not the point.
                Under Serdyukov, the mobility capabilities of the Moscow Defense Ministry were practically killed. And so, incense is breathable.
                And they need to be restored. Specifically for tanks, modernizing Soviet models.
                1. Romario_Argo 20 February 2020 15: 21 New
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                  I have provided a list above is not comic. and with those tanks that are, you can manage without stress, and leave enemies without teeth
                  OTRK Iskander at a distance of 500 km: 1 missile with a cassette warhead: 54 el. and there is no tank regiment - 40 tanks
                  MLRS Tornado-S will mine tank hazardous areas at ranges up to 300km.
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 20 February 2020 20: 43 New
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                    Quote: Romario_Argo
                    MLRS Tornado-S will mine tank hazardous areas at ranges up to 300km.

                    Have you heard anything about remote clearance systems?
                    Quote: Romario_Argo
                    OTRK Iskander at a distance of 500 km: 1 missile with a cassette warhead: 54 el. and there is no tank regiment - 40 tanks

                    I consider Iskander a very effective weapon. But! They also talked about the confrontation between helicopters and tanks, that one turntable at a time can send 12 tanks per colormet, theoretically. And here’s how it’s practically, when when approaching you everything starts shooting at which you can lift the barrel up ...
                    1. Romario_Argo 21 February 2020 15: 58 New
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                      Have you heard anything about remote clearance systems?

                      it all rests against the time (!) won 30 minutes - can become critical for the enemy
                      for example: as an option, an air strike of a Su-34 or Ka-52 link
                      And here’s how it’s practically, when upon approaching you everything starts to shoot at which you can lift the trunk up ...

                      here for such cases, there is intelligence of all levels from space to UAV platoon and DRG associated with the national defense center
                      for rapid decision-making
                      1. Alf
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                        Quote: Romario_Argo
                        here for such cases, there is intelligence of all levels from space to UAV platoon and DRG associated with the national defense center
                        for rapid decision making

                        And the enemy’s electronic warfare means, of course, will smoke bamboo?
                        I mean, in the exercises this is one thing, but in real life it is completely different.
                      2. Romario_Argo 22 February 2020 00: 16 New
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                        Imagine that you are a real Lieutenant General not in the VO but in the General Staff - operational duty in the nat. center of defense. Why are you writing me bullshit here?
                        turn on the brain and think for yourself. and then guesses the options here. everything is already written
                2. 1976AG 21 February 2020 15: 49 New
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                  Quote: Romario_Argo
                  I have provided a list above is not comic. and with those tanks that are, you can manage without stress, and leave enemies without teeth
                  OTRK Iskander at a distance of 500 km: 1 missile with a cassette warhead: 54 el. and there is no tank regiment - 40 tanks
                  MLRS Tornado-S will mine tank hazardous areas at ranges up to 300km.

                  At a distance of 120 km, the Tornado-S will mine directions at ranges up to 300 km. I am also a patriot, but within reasonable limits.
                  1. Romario_Argo 21 February 2020 16: 02 New
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                    To blame.
                    the text quickly typed and mixed up with a caliber of 300 mm, and a range of 120 km.
                    1. 1976AG 21 February 2020 17: 58 New
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                      but I thought I missed something
      2. Essex62 21 February 2020 11: 49 New
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        New armor is not very necessary for mattresses. For the entire LAN, where they use it, modernization will also work. On the territory of the states, databases are unlikely, in geyrop will cost cash abrashes.
    3. kupitman 20 February 2020 11: 12 New
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      The voice of one crying in the wilderness ...
      The most interesting thing is that all these comrades in 1990-1991 sat in the kitchens and shit on the humpback and the Communist Party, then joyfully waved flags shouting URA-Liberty ... And none of them say today why they didn’t take up arms and did not defend the Soviet the government in general or the State Emergency Committee in particular ... Everyone has one answer to any question about this - "I'm not me, I'm not my priest."
    4. Sling cutter 20 February 2020 12: 45 New
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      As you lifted up, fasten an avatar with Stalin and lie, how everything is bad with us.

      But you were bullied by constantly lying, how good and similar we are, as they rightly pointed out here, become like skakuas from the neighboring square. You jump in favor of the same bourgeois, only under different slogans. Continue to ride further until in bottom of resonance ecstasy you break through the bottom, if it is not already broken.
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        Yes, almost everything is fine with us. Not perfect - but good. Compared with the same 90s and early 2000s - heaven and earth. Life is getting better. And what if a man plows not on an uncle or on a factory does not turn nuts, but has his own business - then he is immediately a criminal, becomes a bourgeois? And we’ll “jump” as they put it for the whole of society as a whole, and not for those who strive to “take from those that are - and divide among themselves” (like thieves share in a common fund)! Are you not up to your feet?
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      As you lifted up, fasten an avatar with Stalin and lie, how everything is bad with us. It is time to return to really useful Soviet practices, for example, punitive psychiatry.

      This is just such a current trend, originating from the war in Syria and the coup in Ukraine - and ever since we intervened in all this and defend our interests. It’s just that someone decided that since the “color” revolutions do not take place in our country, it means that we must try the “socialist” one. Notice - as soon as things really went wrong with us, as soon as we got on our feet, all these “fighters with the regime” came out again, but with a socialist polish.
      PS - I will laugh wildly if it turns out that they have built up the pluses for you, naively believing that even the saying doesn’t apply to them!
  • Souchastnik 20 February 2020 09: 49 New
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    and put into operation BT-7 and T-34

    T-34s are already being actively assembled around the world. Probably under the program of deep modernization. there will be uninhabited modules to put and joysticks for remote control from Chinese models. laughing
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      T-34s are already being actively assembled around the world. Probably under the program of deep modernization. there will be uninhabited modules to put and joysticks for remote control from Chinese models.

      You will not believe this has already been practiced ... though a long time ago and in another country ... they buried a tower in a caponier, changed the gun to an automatic gun and installed a BIUS. This was done on objects of special regime value. It worked in automatic mode, was removed from duty either from the desk of the duty calculation, or by the light code. In particular, it guarded a couple of interesting objects in the Zhangiztobe area.
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    put in operation BT-7 and T-34.

    But they are not afraid of blocking the Internet and using electronic warfare, because they have electronics like in brick. laughing
  • sen
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    The main guns and fire control systems borrowed from the T-14 for the T-90M will be produced in much larger quantities, which ultimately will reduce the cost of "Almaty" and proceed to its production.
    1. L-39NG 20 February 2020 11: 29 New
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      The T-90M has an inhabited tower, which means the gun with the T-14 cannot be placed on the T-90. It will be necessary to install an ejector. And, read out will change the characteristics of the gun. Let the experts send me away, if that.
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        2A82-1M - a modified version of 2A82 for installation in tanks of the T-14 type [4] and in the deeply modernized T-90M

        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2А82
    2. Skubudu 21 February 2020 11: 10 New
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      The T-90M needs a working KAZ with mandatory coverage of the upper hemisphere.
  • ximkim 20 February 2020 06: 10 New
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    You know, in the course of armature, you will not see it as a tank in the next decade (not in quantity or generation) It is more like an exhibition. Again, a tank is just a metal box with protection i.e. , it is covered with anything to withstand more direct hits. The concept of using the tank does not change. The terminator would not have supplemented it badly, especially Syria showed that somewhere with a cannon it’s good to build buildings, and somewhere with an automatic gun (make Swiss cheese). Again, Syria has shown that very often the tank is thrown into reconnaissance. I think it’s it’s not right ... Here low-flying drones would have been well smoothed, for combing a building with good optics (you can add something else) ..but .. this is still fantastic, since the electronic industry is lame in our country ..
    1. PSih2097 20 February 2020 11: 59 New
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      He is more like a show

      as we say, not an exhibition, but an object for testing technologies and subsequent modernization ...
  • Graz 20 February 2020 06: 26 New
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    if there’s nothing to do with the fittings, and it’s the same thing, and the next entom breakthrough expects from the word in no way at all, then let them completely modernize what is in working condition at the moment, and don’t disgrace anymore with their braggings about new samples , you first make and give a circulation, and then boasted, otherwise it does not look comme il faut from the word at all
  • Sailor 20 February 2020 06: 39 New
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    160 tanks is nothing at all for a tank power, at such a pace we reach the neighbors with their Bastion.
    1. Lamata 20 February 2020 06: 45 New
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      but there is still such a whole partner Turkey, eastern Europe, they also have tanks. Friend and sly brother China.
      1. bessmertniy 20 February 2020 07: 06 New
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        Yes, it will not be enough! recourse It would be necessary to add an order. repeat
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          Yes, it will not be enough! recourse It would be necessary to add an order. repeat

          Where is the money, Zin? laughing
          1. Malyuta 20 February 2020 22: 33 New
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            The money in the cases for the cellos, Elvira hpiizadovna, in musar apartments, well, a little bit at Abramovich.
            TSSSSS! Vladimir Vladimirich knows nothing about this.
    2. g1washntwn 20 February 2020 07: 55 New
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      Well I do not know. Here recently we rode with relatives of acquaintances (who already live in Germany for 3 generations) to the cottage in the bathhouse / barbecue, it turned out past the site where the T-72 was in storage. Citizens were impressed. They say: “That's why they are afraid and blame you in Europe.” I told them: - This is all against Iranian missiles. Neighing.
  • Snail N9 20 February 2020 06: 42 New
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    Um ... outwardly, very similar to the Chinese tank ZTZ-99 .....
  • Lamata 20 February 2020 06: 46 New
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    Promises !! ??? no increase in retirement age, 25000 jobs, but instead amendments to the constitution
    1. astronom1973n 20 February 2020 09: 26 New
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      instead, amendments not needed to the constitution

      Please announce what unnecessary? Everything is normal, it was high time to change. Especially the section on the abolition of dual citizenship!
      1. Lamata 20 February 2020 10: 48 New
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        You will carefully study the regulatory framework about citizenship. and then broadcast.
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        Quote: astronom1973n
        Please announce what unnecessary? Everything is normal, it was high time to change.

        Especially about the immunity of the ex-president. And Someone immediately said that the fundamental aspects of the constitution are not subject to revision.
        1. Malyuta 20 February 2020 23: 08 New
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          Quote: Alf
          And Someone immediately said that the fundamental aspects of the constitution are not subject to revision.

          Nah, he said, "he who proposes to change the constitution must change his head"
        2. astronom1973n 21 February 2020 05: 26 New
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          Quote: Alf
          Especially about the immunity of the ex-president.

          And what confuses you with this? Do you want a circus like in Ukraine? When one president is being judged, another is preparing? And a frenzied crowd throws people into the bin, like “lustrating.” Is this necessary? And the effect on the output is zero! And the amendments concern not only this moment, it is much more voluminous there. And then they grabbed one and let's exaggerate. Apparently you are only concerned about this issue.
          1. Octopus 21 February 2020 09: 00 New
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            Quote: astronom1973n
            Do you want a circus in Ukraine? When one president is judged, another is prepared?

            Yes. But why is it necessary for Ukraine? How can the same thing be done in South Korea?
    2. Nastia makarova 20 February 2020 12: 02 New
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      Now the liberal will throw you cons))))))
      1. Lamata 20 February 2020 12: 14 New
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        Bye, so here they minus me at night)))) I’ve already been chitoli 6 times)))))))))))))))) Minus from the couch, without specific arguments against.
        1. Nastia makarova 20 February 2020 12: 17 New
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          there are such))))
          1. Lamata 20 February 2020 12: 22 New
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            In general, I came In someone))))))))))))))
            1. Nastia makarova 20 February 2020 13: 17 New
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              to the money))))
              1. g1washntwn 20 February 2020 14: 49 New
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                As they say: Do you want you to dream all the time "for money" - more often go to the Censor.
                It’s a pity that it doesn’t come true, now I would go hahala between the Forbes list laughing
                1. Nastia makarova 20 February 2020 14: 53 New
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                  censor blocked long ago
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                    Then all the more sorry. Here I can’t get rich, so cheek on the seeds except from the beginning trolls smile
                    1. Lamata 20 February 2020 16: 55 New
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                      You on business, on business say that you delve into the little things.
  • pmkemcity 20 February 2020 06: 46 New
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    Like pilots - a beautiful plane and flies well. For me, Armata is a freak.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974 20 February 2020 07: 59 New
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      For me it’s so, Armata is a freak ..... there is such a thing, all would be nothing but the tower is really awkward. both aesthetically and practically, huge openings and attachments are just asking for a land mine kg so this is 24 from which no afghanite will save
      1. Malyuta 20 February 2020 23: 15 New
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        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        For me, Armata is a freak ..... there is such a thing, all would be nothing, but the tower is really awkward

        For taste and color, we also have the president of the sekas, according to the polls, as the symbol of the year.
  • stepka_razin 20 February 2020 07: 09 New
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    In general, the t-90m is a strange machine, initially everything seemed to look good and the fodder was loading and a new gun from armata, and everything seems to be finally resolved the problem with the length of the shells. But no, they refused to load the fodder, they didn’t put a new gun ... And then the question arises, but what's the point then in the new tower?
    1. V.I.P. 20 February 2020 09: 31 New
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      Yes, here the meaning is ordinary. Slogans and a TV show about unparalleled. And the troops will go without a new gun, without a new AZ, without new elongated BPS, without KAZ, and certainly control levers, and not like a flashy with a helm ... It's a waste of money, like with the T-72B3 .. . They know perfectly well that there will be no armata and it’s wrong to drive old stuff with slogans into the troops ..
    2. Bad_gr 20 February 2020 15: 56 New
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      and a feeding device, loading and a new gun from Almaty,

      Where does the information about the "feed loading device" come from?
      During modernization, the combat experience of using the T-72 was taken into account. When breaking through the armor to a fatal outcome most often, led to an additional ammunition tank. Not the one in the combat unit, but the additional warheads that were shipped around the fighting compartment, where the place allowed. These additional ones were removed from the combat. But the military insisted that the carrying ammunition should be the same. So there was an additional ammunition outside the tower (of course, covered with armor). This is the T-90MS.
      The T-90M - it is unclear, the roofing felts are the same as the T-90MS, or the air conditioner, as in the diagram




      And which gun will stand, depends on the Defense Ministry: if they don’t spare the money, then 2A82, and if they regret it, then the usual one.
      1. stepka_razin 21 February 2020 04: 36 New
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        Where does the information about the "feed loading device" come from?

        From there, that was originally a “burlak” module that just corresponded to the concept, but the project was safely completed in 2009, for the good old reason - “there is no money”
        After 10 years, on the other hand, we get the 90th, with a huge tower, but absolutely pointless, because the automatic loader is the same, it can’t take long shells, manual loading of a gun on a tank with 3 people is fantastic. Naturally, in these situations, it makes no sense to put a cannon from an armata designed for a long projectile.
        Transferring the storage location of additional ammunition is generally such a thing, I do not remember that at least somewhere additional ammunition was transported outside the machine. To reload which is still pleasure, but during the battle the pleasure is unreal

        As a result, we get the t-90m which in 5 years will have to be re-upgraded and put in the feed machine and a new gun, which will result in a pretty penny. Okay, there’s no armata, but can you upgrade it wisely?
        1. Bad_gr 21 February 2020 12: 58 New
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          Quote: stepka_razin
          From there that was originally a burlak module

          OKR "Burlak". Such a design was being worked out (like a lot of another) but did not live up to expectations, the topic was closed. It has nothing to do with the modernization of the T-90M.



          Quote: stepka_razin
          he cannot take long shells,

          The new automatic loader (put on all upgraded tanks) works with shells up to 740 mm long.
  • shinobi 20 February 2020 07: 16 New
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    Armata, initially, a demonstrator of a promising direction. I think he wasn’t going to send him to the troops. It’s like with the Dragon. Most likely something cheaper and deadlier is weakening on its base. Although it seems that there is again a division in the tonnage of cars and in the future return of heavy assault tanks
  • Zaurbek 20 February 2020 07: 30 New
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    The main thing is that the Armat systems would migrate to the T90m ... gun, KAZ, optics, communications, etc.
  • rocket757 20 February 2020 07: 36 New
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    And not at the expense of the ceremonial “Almaty”, which, according to our modern principles, will be brought to mind for another 10 years,

    Suppose it’s not a parade, but it is necessary to bring to mind the tank itself and everything else, starting with the production of everything necessary for it.
    There is a TANK that can solve all the problems that exist and may arise in the foreseeable future, it’s ready, production has been completed !!! then it will be so.
    The next generation of technology to bring to mind, prepare production and .......
    1. ser56 20 February 2020 14: 52 New
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      The next generation of technology to bring to mind, prepare production and .......

      namely, what everyone wants to get Armata as quickly as possible - the probable opponents do not have much new ...
      1. rocket757 20 February 2020 15: 04 New
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        probable opponents do not have much new ...

        So it is, in the foreseeable future is not visible either.
        Moreover, anti-tank, all sorts of different things, everyone has more and more!
        Those. if you do something, then taking into account the saturation of infantry and aviation with anti-tank systems ... otherwise, it will really be "firewood" for eleven minutes of battle.
        1. ser56 20 February 2020 15: 13 New
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          Moreover, anti-tank, all sorts of different things, everyone has more and more!

          namely, and tanks are becoming more and more expensive ... it seems that a dead end is brewing, as with dreadnoughts ... request
          1. rocket757 20 February 2020 17: 47 New
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            I am always interested in the prospects for increasing the power supply of military equipment!
            We need compact, reliable, POWERFUL power plants, with high efficiency! Because both weapons and protection of objects / equipment will depend on this indicator!
            It seems to me that way, but there we will see how it will be.
            1. ser56 20 February 2020 17: 57 New
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              Because both weapons and protection of objects / equipment will depend on this indicator!

              Well, how much does a tank engine weigh? about 1t ... let the specific characteristics increase by half - it will be 0,5t .... Will you increase your protection strongly?
              The problem is the concept ... in my opinion, the MBT concept is largely outdated - it’s hard to expect massive tank battles - there simply aren’t as many tanks in service in developed countries!
              If there is a rapid development of active defense, then BOPS and missiles will begin to go astray on the way, then the reservation level can be reduced to the level against MZA. request
              1. rocket757 20 February 2020 18: 11 New
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                Quote: ser56
                How much does a tank engine weigh? about 1t ... let the specific characteristics increase by half - it will be 0,5t .... Will you increase your protection strongly?

                Not that, these are reflections on perspective. For the next ten years, we may not wait for something fundamentally breakthrough, and then there will be someone who can predict how and where everything will go or rush off. The current design solutions and technologies are close to their maximum, so what are waiting for!
                1. ser56 21 February 2020 11: 33 New
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                  and then there, who can predict how and where everything will go or rush off.

                  the laws of physics cannot be refuted ... request
                  1. rocket757 21 February 2020 12: 03 New
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                    If we do not know something, this does not mean that this does not and will not happen.
                    Humanity, science does not stand still.
                    1. ser56 21 February 2020 12: 06 New
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                      Quote: rocket757
                      If we do not know something, this does not mean that this does not and will not happen.
                      Humanity, science does not stand still.

                      it is difficult to argue with commonplace, I wrote about something else - there are no real ways to significantly increase the efficiency of ICE!
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                        Quote: ser56
                        there are no real ways to significantly increase the efficiency of ICE!

                        I love ACCURACY, plus you!
                        I already wrote that devices based on well-known physical principles have reached / are reaching the limits of their improvement. ICE has existed for a century and a half, this is the term. GTE is half a century less, but also a significant period ... we do not consider steam.
                        The question is, where can we expect a breakthrough in the field of creating the best power plants in terms of parameters? I dont know. We are waiting with.
          2. Alf
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            Quote: ser56
            it seems like a dead end is brewing, as with dreadnoughts ...

            It’s just that no country can fight without tanks, the main striking force, it doesn’t work.
            Imagine the situation. Tomorrow all the tanks were canceled and their parts seized. What's next ? How to fight? Like in 1MB, walking along the battlefield?
            1. ser56 21 February 2020 11: 32 New
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              Quote: Alf
              It’s just that no country can fight without tanks, the main striking force, it doesn’t work.

              there are different tanks, now the absolutization of MBT, which was created for certain conditions that are no longer ...
              Quote: Alf
              How to fight? Like in 1MB, walking along the battlefield?

              there are already robots!
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                Quote: ser56
                there are already robots!

                Can they replace tanks? Give an example of such robots.
      2. Zaurbek 21 February 2020 08: 59 New
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        But they already have new tools, communications and optics on their old tanks and began to put KAZ .... And all this is not worse than on Armata.
  • g1washntwn 20 February 2020 07: 50 New
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    Along with the increase in "classical" combat qualities, work is underway (and not only in the Russian Federation) on modernization for use in a network-centric combat field. Armata was positioned by the core (replaceable!) So they continue to bring it in this direction. And I’ll modernize the T-90 so that Armata has someone to manage and with whom to interact, for the future. The network concept with one network-centric object does not work - you need partners, slaves, redundant nodes for the transfer of authority, etc. In the T-72, stuffing all this is futile, and the T-90 is run-in, proven effective and amenable to planned upgrades. In general, "Cheer for ours!".
    1. Zaurbek 21 February 2020 09: 01 New
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      Why? There are a lot of them in warehouses ..... like the T80x and T-64x ... throw it away? it’s logical to use them in the troops, export them ... but for this you need to upgrade them. And in terms of high availability, supply the T90M with all the goodies.
  • The leader of the Redskins 20 February 2020 07: 52 New
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    If you measure with the "partners" and neighbors new tanks, then, not enough. Fact. But if we hypothetically assume that whatever the conflict ... Then, I think, neither Armata will go, nor T 90. They will get seventy two, eighty and egegei from storage!
    1. Den717 20 February 2020 08: 47 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      They will get from storage seventy deuces, eighty and egegei!

      The main thing is that when they are stored on them, the full regulation is carried out and not "robbed". Somehow, in the late 80s, they deployed my (started there as a lieutenant) cropped regiment to full staff. A tangible part of the equipment was not able to "leave for the area" on time. But a month was being prepared ... laughing
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      It remains to find neighbors with the "new tanks" ..... formally, only China has them
  • steelmaker 20 February 2020 08: 16 New
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    "Do not forget that as the modernized T-90M tanks enter the troops, crews will be trained for them, the technical base will be improved, and technical personnel will be retrained."
    Thanks to Serdyukov, we almost do not have this “base”. But Shoigu is in no hurry to train crews and retrain technical staff. CONCLUSION: The author gives out the desired, for the real.
  • bistrov. 20 February 2020 08: 20 New
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    The fact is that for the “Almaty” there is no new gun yet, the old one, 125mm, is clearly not suitable for it.
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      The most interesting thing is that at the time of the beginning of the creation of “Armata” there was a gun (as many as 2) and an engine and a short circuit, etc. etc., but as a result it turned out. that "neither of which is not."
      It seems to me that in fact there is a stupid butting with "accounting", hence all these fortunes, the price simply does not suit the "chief accountant".
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      Quote: bistrov.
      until there is a new gun, old, 125mm

      for what is now "in the near future" the "partners" will have enough of it.
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        Quote: PSih2097
        Now there is either in the near future the "partners" will have enough of it.

        Seriously? On board you want to try, like the T-34-76 Panther?
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          Quote: Octopus
          Seriously? On board you want to try, like the T-34-76 Panther?

          Sorry, the VUS is not the same ... And what's new in tank shells and RPGs with ATGMs at NATO, the same Germans are just starting to think about a 140mm gun, about KAZ it’s not for me, the same “Arena” for some reason doesn’t suit the Ministry of Defense with times of stools, and "Afganit" -
          it is intended only for new types of equipment built on the Armata, Kurganets-25, etc. platforms Tanks of the T-72, T-80 or T-90 families, most likely, will not receive such equipment. At the same time, the existing equipment will remain in service, for which purpose it will undergo modernization. Current projects for updating armored vehicles, currently being implemented or planned for the near future, do not provide for equipping tanks with active defense systems. Fighting vehicles will have to rely on their own armor, dynamic protection of modern types and mounted screens of one kind or another.
          https://topwar.ru/141936-kaz-arena-put-v-voyska-ili-put-v-tupik.html
          .
          1. Octopus 21 February 2020 16: 18 New
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            what's new in tank shells and RPGs with anti-tank systems at NATO

            Well, actually there is a well-founded opinion that the T-90s are not armored against modern crowbars and mantle-blowers. And it's kind of like consensus. But the enemy, especially with KAZ, is very well armored.
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              Well, “Arena-M”, there is a “Relic” - put it, but here we have the bookkeeping ...
              I myself went on the BMP-2/3, and the BTR-70/80 so that
              On board you want to try, like the T-34-76 Panther

              It would be like Panther and BT-7 / T-26 ...
  • rudolff 20 February 2020 08: 50 New
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    "Basically, the modernization concerned the electronic filling of the fire control system, in particular, tracking targets and installing a new dynamic defense on the tower." Really? If I am not mistaken, from the T-90, in fact, only the casing remains, almost all systems, assemblies, and LMS are subject to replacement. Including the entire tower, possibly a gun, an engine.
    And why only tank or motorized rifle regiments are considered as the first users? In my amateurish opinion, first of all, it is necessary to change the units to these machines that are designed to operate in isolation from the main forces and in which each machine has a special account. Tank companies of the marine corps and air assault brigades.
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      In my opinion, it is necessary to transfer the entire SV tank fleet to the T-90, and the DS and MP to the T-72 (of course the latest modifications). T-80 (latest modifications) to the Arctic units and formations. Everything else in the mob. reserve. Well, cut Armata. 10 years is a very real time for fine-tuning, running-in and the start of serial production.
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        Quote: achtung
        need to transfer the entire tank fleet of SV to T-9

        T-90 is not enough corny. The troops have only five battalions on the T-90 + one Abkhaz in Syria. At a circle of only 200 T-90A. The arsenal of the tank battalion of the 7th military base in Abkhazia is NOW the "newest" T-72B3 tanks, and the "old" Abkhaz T-90 tanks in the resorts of the Syrian Arab Republic in full force. T-72B3 remains the main tank in the army, about 1000 of them are modernized.
        Quote: rudolff
        In my amateurish opinion, first of all, it is necessary to change the units to these machines that are designed to operate in isolation from the main forces and in which each machine has a special account. Tank companies of the marine corps and air assault brigades.

        The marine corps, in my opinion, has limitations, they have the same T-80BVM with rubber-fabric screens. I can assume that the decision to refuse additional protection for the sides and stern on the marine tanks is conscious due to the possible weight and overall restrictions imposed by the requirements for the operation of tanks in the marine corps.

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          I'm not talking about replacing everything with the T-90 at once, but gradually. As you upgrade and release new cars. Declared about 900 T-90M. Moscow, too, was not built immediately, the main concept, desire and money!
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    As I understand it, not so long ago as the MBT adopted the T72 and sawed the money for its modernization, although it was already in service with the T90.
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      As I understand it, not so long ago as the MBT adopted the T72 and sawed the money for its modernization, although it was already in service with the T90.

      So the T-72 was not needed take as MBT - In fact, it was MBT, the most massive tank in our BTV.

      In general, at the time of the decision to modernize the T-72, the situation was as follows: in the troops, the main tank was the T-72A or B from the Soviet era. Someone had a T-62 and even a T-55AM. About 2000-2500 tanks required urgent replacement or modernization, which has not been again since the days of the USSR.
      New T-90s were purchased at 63 vehicles per year, with UVZ regularly raising prices in line with the increase in the military budget. The last time the plant raised the price of the tank by as much as 70%, after which the Commander-in-Chief of SV Postnikov declared in his hearts that it was cheaper to buy Leo.
      To change tanks at a speed of 63 vehicles a year meant to kill a BTV, leaving only horseless tankers in them. What was needed was a tank that would be better than the T-72A or B, and at the same time could be produced in quantities sufficient for the mass re-equipment of BTV. They chose a “52 million tank” - the T-72B3, which UVZ could make 150-200 vehicles a year. And when the main "tank hunger" was quenched (troops received more than a thousand T-72B3), BTVs began to consider and purchase more advanced versions of MBT.
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    As if already quite it is clear that “Almaty” will not be

    What a twist.
    Tell me, will there be a SU-57? Or the next upgrade of the SU-35 instead?
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    So, in the framework of the rearmament program, the new T-90M plans to equip 4 tank battalions in motorized rifle regiments.
    The calculation is not correct. If you want, you don’t want to, but some of the tanks must be sent to the Academy, military schools and training units. So 4 TB SMEs quickly melt into 4 TB TBr
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    Article plus. Now this is a completely adequate analysis of the situation. Even with a little too much skepticism regarding Armat, in my opinion. The novel writes about 10 years of refinement, but now there are about a hundred in the T-14 troops, as I understand it. It is for fine-tuning. Therefore, I think 10 is a somewhat overstated term. I am waiting for Armata in service after 3-4 years. However, time will tell.
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      Now a very interesting trend is coming. Cut off new developments, cut off the purchase of new equipment. Moreover, it is not yet clear where this money is being redistributed, although all sorts of social programs have been announced. It seems that somewhere someone is now accumulating "crazy" money. Messages about new privatization still pop up periodically. If the redistribution of property is about to take place, there will be no saturation of the army with new equipment (Almaty, SU-57, etc.). They will buy a test batch and it will end there.
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        Moreover, it is not yet clear where this money is being redistributed, although all sorts of social programs have been announced.


        In the sense of "not visible." The budget of national projects is 26 trillion. rub. , plus Putin’s new social initiatives. Only the expansion of the operations of the capital - more than 500 billion. And there are also breakfasts and benefits for children under 7 years old. These are gigantic amounts.
        All this money "has already" gone into the economy. I do not know why you are "not visible."
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          Quote: Arkon
          And there are also breakfasts and benefits for children under 7 years old.

          You carefully read what the president said, not immediately, but gradually, not in all regions, but wherever possible.
          I personally inform you that free hot meals for high school children were introduced in Finland in 1943 !!!!
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            Quote: Stroporez
            I personally inform you that free hot meals for high school children were introduced in Finland in 1943 !!!!


            So what? But in Germany and the United States there is still no. Why compare geopolitical dwarfs with imperial Russia?
            Whatever you do, everything is bad. That is your character. wink
            1. Sling cutter 20 February 2020 12: 27 New
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              Quote: Arkon
              You have such a character

              Let's leave my character alone, this is irrelevant.
              And to tell you the truth, this government has done nothing good for me or for my family, except to constantly peek into my pockets, give it to me, give it to it, pay it there, pay it with syud. We ourselves achieved everything, not thanks, but in spite of.
              And let them keep their handouts for the future, and we’ll just calculate them, as in the Tyumen region 5 rubles per child per day.
              If you now stretch the accordion about mat capital, you can immediately blow it away, since 450 rubles. a mat of capital for a child for life = the monthly salary of a state-sponsored non-impregnable deputy, about s / n millers, better than sessile, sectarian, it’s better to keep silent, nerves will come in handy.
              Quote: Arkon
              Why compare geopolitical dwarfs with imperial Russia?

              You correctly noticed it, only dwarfs have neither oil, nor gas and diamonds either. And the Russian Federation at the moment is not an empire, but is just its stump, inherited during the dismemberment of the body of the empire itself.
              Continue to ride further for handouts from the authorities and pancakes with a shovel, although she did not ask you to give birth to children. hi
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                Quote: Stroporez
                If you now stretch the accordion about mat capital, you can immediately blow it away, since 450 rubles. a mat of capital for a child for life = the monthly salary of a state-sponsored non-impregnable deputy, about s / n millers, better than sessile, sectarian, it’s better to keep silent, nerves will come in handy.


                Well, keep silent to yourself. What are you worried about? laughing

                And I got it for my people and they were definitely not superfluous to me. The fact remains: there is no such support for motherhood and childhood as in Russia nowhere in the world.
                I do not envy the deputies - the rich also cry. laughing

                If you do not understand this, then you will not understand. hi
                1. Sling cutter 20 February 2020 12: 59 New
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                  Quote: Arkon
                  Arkon (Andrey)
                  I'm not nervous, buddy, and I’ve heard the world laughing
                  At the expense of the lack of support for motherhood and childhood in the world, you mmm ...., to say the least, you are mistaken. And your slogans, it’s better for you to shout out a thread at meetings, they will appreciate laughing
                  Well, if he got a mat. Capital, then well done, with a black sheep even a wool of tufts good
                2. Svarog 20 February 2020 14: 39 New
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                  Quote: Arkon
                  I don’t envy the deputies - the rich also cry.

                  You can see on the eponymous series rose laughing Tied to television, it dries the brain ..
                  The fact remains: there is no such support for motherhood and childhood as in Russia nowhere in the world.

                  Emirates - for the birth of a child, the state pays an amount from $ 50 to $ 000, plus to this, if you need a house, you get a house.
                  and then read it yourself and convert it to rubles ..
                  https://www.baby.ru/journal/detskie-posobiya-v-raznyh-stranah-mira/
                  1. Arkon 20 February 2020 15: 19 New
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                    Quote: Svarog
                    Emirates - for the birth of a child, the state pays an amount from $ 50 to $ 000, plus to this, if you need a house, you get a house.
                    and then read it yourself and convert it to rubles ..


                    Weli! laughing
                    Similarly, we are in second place after the Emirates. And it will not be difficult for you to compare Russia with more developed countries: Germany, France, Italy, the USA, for example. And it is also desirable to see a comparison of the powerful industry of the Emirates, which they probably built for all these fabulous incomes that they received from oil. I'd like to hear about the mighty Emirate energy, engineering, chemical, automobile and shipbuilding industries. About emirate electronics and emirate space. About the Emirate military-industrial complex.

                    How is this going? Are they being spent on all these areas? Enlighten me, if not hard. And then I’m watching TV, watching “The rich also cry” - I can’t tear myself away. There is now a very moment of sentimental begins.
                    1. Svarog 20 February 2020 15: 30 New
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                      Weli! laughing
                      Similarly, we are in second place after the Emirates.

                      You are not careful again ..
                      Didn’t they pay attention to Canada? 533,33 CAD = 25446,88 rubles. per month for each minor child under the age of 6 years. Multiply by 6 years, we get = 1 833 552
                      Russia with more developed countries: Germany, France, Italy, USA

                      Are we a more developed country? What do we produce under the brand Made in Russia? Well, except for oil and weapons ..
                      I really want to hear about the powerful Emirate energy, engineering, chemical, automobile and shipbuilding industries. About emirate electronics and emirate space. About the Emirate military-industrial complex.

                      And I want to hear about Russian .. are we so far from the Emirates now .. But even in this case, the Emirates find more money to support the birth rate ..
                      About the Emirate military-industrial complex.

                      The USSR left a good reserve. There is something to be proud of, and what is modern Russia proud of?
                      How many can you remember the outstanding citizens of Russia .. surnames? And in the USSR there were a lot of them ..
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                        Quote: Svarog
                        Are we a more developed country? What do we produce under the brand Made in Russia? Well, except for oil and weapons ..


                        And, well, that is, you are at such a level of understanding of the development of Russian industry ... I see no reason to list here a couple of hundred thousand items of what we "are still releasing." But, to at least roughly outline the circle, I will say that Russia is among the five countries producing energy turbines, the four countries producing modern turbojet engines, Russia is the only one in the world that produces serial 3+ generation nuclear reactors and the only one in the world that has an existing RBN. Russia is among the top ten countries with its own universal processors and the top three countries with created quantum computers. Yes, and about the military-industrial complex, which you so scornfully mentioned - we have the "best in the world" military-industrial complex. This is just a fact. wink

                        Quote: Svarog
                        The USSR left a good reserve. There is something to be proud of, and what is modern Russia proud of?


                        Well, our current industrialists and scientists believe that the backlog of the USSR has long been exhausted. But they are mistaken, for sure. Give evidence of your words.

                        Quote: Svarog
                        You are not careful again ..
                        Didn’t they pay attention to Canada? 533,33 CAD = 25446,88 rubles. per month for each minor child under the age of 6 years. Multiply by 6 years, we get = 1 833 552


                        In Canada there is no free medicine, with sick children it is a decent expense. I do not know how in Canada with summer camps and various circles. With us, they are either either free or heavily subsidized. It is necessary to compare in detail. But, in any case, Russia is in the lead.
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                        I see no reason to list a couple here
                        hundreds of thousands of items
                        what we "still release."

                        laughing good a couple of hundred thousand .. well you gave the heat ..
                        then Russia is one of the five countries producing energy turbines

                        Are you talking about Siemens?
                        the four countries producing modern turbojet engines, Russia is the only one in the world that produces serial 3+ generation nuclear reactors and the only one in the world that has an existing RBN.

                        Actually, this can be finished .. The scientific thought of the USSR was strong ..
                        universal universal processors and the top three countries that have created quantum computers.

                        Someone saw them? Or are they in a piece?
                        Yes, and about the military-industrial complex, which you so scornfully mentioned - we have the "best in the world" military-industrial complex. This is just a fact. wink

                        About the Emirate military-industrial complex.

                        The USSR left a good reserve. There is something to be proud of, and something to be proud of

                        Where is the neglect here? The USSR left a good start, is it chtol?
                        In Canada, there is no free medicine, with sick children it's a decent expense

                        Do we have free medicine? What do you not deduct compulsory medical insurance? And for free we only have a therapist ..
                        In terms of per capita income, Canada is in 22nd place, Russia is in 73th .. probably there you can do without benefits at all .. But they pay and pay more than ours ...
                        So what leaders do you have Russia in general is not clear ..
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                        Quote: Svarog
                        a couple of hundred thousand .. well you gave the heat ..

                        Quote: Svarog
                        Are you talking about Siemens?


                        Power turbines are made by Siemens, Alstom, Jal, Mitsubishi and we.

                        Quote: Svarog
                        Actually, this can be finished .. The scientific thought of the USSR was strong ..

                        Quote: Svarog
                        Someone saw them? Or are they in a piece?

                        Quote: Svarog
                        Do we have free medicine? What do you not deduct compulsory medical insurance? And for free we only have a therapist ..

                        About insurance I fundamentally agree.

                        The remaining replicas do not require a response. hi
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                      Quote: Arkon
                      There is no free medicine in Canada

                      So in fact we don’t have it either.
                      To the specialist free of charge, in turn, after two to three months. For money ? Wait half an hour.
                      Quote: Arkon
                      with sick children is a decent expense.

                      And when the amounts for treatment on TV are voiced, how is it? A penny?
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                      Quote: Arkon
                      Russia is one of the five countries producing energy turbines

                      Are you talking about Saturn’s torment? Did you hear about the Siemens scandal in Crimea?
                      Quote: Arkon
                      producing modern turbojet engines,

                      Which one is modern? What engines are on the superjet, God forgive me, and the MC-21?
                      Quote: Arkon
                      generation 3+ serial nuclear reactors and the only one in the world that has an existing RBN.

                      It is only a pity that this good is taken only with a surcharge from the Russian budget.
                      Quote: Arkon
                      Russia is in the top ten countries with its own universal processors

                      It's fine. Who does not know about Russian processors.
                      Quote: Arkon
                      created quantum computers

                      Read less press releases.
                      Quote: Arkon
                      us the "best in the world" defense industry

                      Actually, no.
                      Quote: Arkon
                      the backlog of the USSR has long been exhausted

                      Yes. The reserve has been exhausted, but there is no new.
                      Quote: Arkon
                      Canada does not have free medicine, with sick children it is a decent expense.

                      Nothing free in nature exists. In Canada, insurance medicine. OMS and VHI. As in Russia, I recall. Well, that is, according to the financing scheme as in Russia, and not by quality.
                      Quote: Arkon
                      I don’t know how in Canada with summer camps and various circles

                      Differently.
                      Quote: Arkon
                      either significantly subsidized

                      You're lying. By best of all, by subsidy is meant a free premise. Municipal premises. Municipalities are not a state. Not yet.
                      Quote: Arkon
                      Russia is in the lead.

                      Among the countries of Africa.
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                      You're lying. By best of all, by subsidy is meant a free premise. Municipal premises. Municipalities are not a state. Not yet.


                      My friend, all my children went and go to free circles and sections. Not all circles and sections are free, but there are a lot of free ones. As for the "munts", tell your children - they will believe you (but in vain). All these circles are financed from taxes that were collected from citizens. Our tax collection function is federal. The distribution of these taxes between the local and federal levels is the tenth matter.

                      Take your words back. I beg.
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                      Quote: Arkon
                      Take your words back. I beg.

                      Are you talking about the word "lying"? I could be wrong, but you are submitting this as a kind of public service. If so, there is nothing to pick up. Unless replaced by "mistaken" in view of the presumption of innocence.
                      Quote: Arkon
                      financed from taxes that were collected from citizens. We have a federal tax collection function

                      You, by the hour, do not enter the working group on deliveries to the constitution? Your ideas about munitions are quite in trend.
                      But so far the changes have not passed.
                      In the Russian Federation, local government is recognized and guaranteed. Local self-government within its powers independently. Local authorities are not included in the system of state authorities
                    6. Arkon 21 February 2020 18: 59 New
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                      Are you talking about the word "lying"?

                      I’m talking about him.

                      Quote: Octopus
                      but you submit it as a kind of public service.

                      I do not serve you. I directly said that in Russia summer camps and various kinds of clubs are either free or heavily subsidized. Dot. Where is the lie here?
                      Take your words back.
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                      You said the following:
                      Quote: Arkon
                      In Canada there is no free medicine, with sick children it is a decent expense. I do not know how in Canada with summer camps and various circles. With us, they are either either free or heavily subsidized. It is necessary to compare in detail. But, in any case, Russia is in the lead.

                      Or you do not know that camps and circles are not supported the state(except for Moscow, St. Petersburg and Sevastopol, where the city budget is state), and then you are mistaken.
                      Or you know it, but at the same time mention circles at the level of countryas if this is some kind of service provided Russian child, not Moscow or barnaul (Naturally, these are two different services). Then you lie. Moreover, your remarks, in aggregate, leave the impression that you are trying to pass Russia off as a social state, Unlike Of Canada. Be so kind as to express your thoughts about this directly.

                      And you are right about Canada, cruel place. For example, a Canadian baby collects a sick mom on the street for medicine.
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                      Or you do not know that camps and circles are not supported by the state

                      I wrote about free circles in Russia. They exist en masse. The third and last time I say: take the words back.
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            I love when people of your plan stand in the pose of an offended nobility. Let's follow the syllables.
            Quote: Arkon
            There is no free medicine in Canada

            You're lying. In your understanding, free medicine, that is, state medicine, - Yes in Canada and no in Russia. In Canada, a budget model for financing medicine is used (provincial budget + federal leveling subsidies), funded through taxes. In Russia - an insurance model funded through the compulsory medical insurance system. That is, the health insurance service is not provided to you by the state, but by your employer.
            By the way, I was wrong.
            Quote: Octopus
            In Canada, insurance medicine. OMS and VHI

            This is not so, I'm sorry.
            Quote: Arkon
            I don’t know how in Canada with summer camps and various circles

            Differently.
            Quote: Arkon
            With us they are either either free or heavily subsidized.

            In order to refute your statement, I must find in Russia one circle that is not subsidized. To search?
            Quote: Arkon
            It is necessary to compare in detail.

            Exactly.
            Quote: Arkon
            Anyway, Russia is in the lead.

            If you were talking about "leaders among the CIS countries" - then the truth is, although again it is necessary to compare in detail. But you mentioned it in the context of Canada. It's a lie. Find the cost structure of the consolidated budget of Russia and Canada and tell us about the social state again.
            Well, as a sign of goodwill.
            Quote: Arkon
            wrote about free circles in Russia. They exist en masse

            They really exist, I will not say for mass. If I refuted this your statement, I would have taken my words back.
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            Oh yes. I forgot about the presumption of innocence again. In the post above take away the words "lying" and "false" and insert, say, "make a mistake" and, I do not know, "incorrect construction of the phrase." Suppose you are honestly mistaken.
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            Quote: Octopus
            In the post above, I take away the words "lying" and "false"

            Thank you.
            Now let's debate. smile

            If you were talking about "leaders among the CIS countries" - then the truth is, although again it is necessary to compare in detail. But you mentioned it in the context of Canada. It's a lie. Find the cost structure of the consolidated budget of Russia and Canada and tell us about the social state again.


            I mentioned the support of family and childhood in Russia not in the context of Canada, but in the context of the whole world. Here are family support measures in Russia:
            - capital for the first child
            - surcharge for the second child
            - partial repayment of mortgages for the third
            - land for the third
            - Paying a living wage for a child up to seven years old monthly
            - free secondary education
            - many free sections and circles
            - subsidized or free summer camps
            - the availability of free budget places in universities and their current quantitative increase

            Can you list at least five countries where the situation is better?
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            No, this is impossible to discuss.
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            Fine. Then I will answer for you: you cannot find five such countries. Therefore, Russia is one of the world leaders in supporting family and childhood.

            Now let's deal with the "munitions".
            By best of all, by subsidy is meant a free premise. Municipal premises. Municipalities are not a state. Not yet.


            We are not talking about whether or not municipalities are a state - although if you want, we will debate on this topic as well - we are talking about financing various programs. Municipal entities have at their disposal the funds that federal law leaves them. That is, the higher authorities decide which part of the taxes to leave in the municipality, and which to transfer to the center. Municipalities are not the subject of these relations - they only execute decisions of higher structures. If parents gave the child money, this does not mean that he became the subject of monetary relations. He is completely dependent on his parents. So, all the money that goes into subsidizing education is fully state money.
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    Quote: Svarog
    How many can you remember the outstanding citizens of Russia .. surnames?

    Sechin, Miller, Potanin, Deripaska, Vekselberg, Abramovich ... well and further on Forbes. laughing
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    Quote: Arkon
    Arkon (Andrey)

    You're in vain about the "Rich ...", go to the preview of "Santa Barbara" laughing "
    Emirates I recommend you for a trip, come and tell us, compare experiences good But not an economy. opportunities, the desert is there, but the loot from oil is stably distributed by the population of the population and it is allocated for the birth of a child. Look at what they do to the oil tanks, and what do we do?
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      You are in vain about the "Rich ...", go to the preview of "Santa Barbara" "


      Thank you for your advice, be sure to look. May be. But I believe you, as a specialist in this matter. laughing

      I don’t watch the video - do not convey in words what the Emirates are building there? Or talking is not your thing? wink
  • Alf
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    And I got it for my people and they were definitely not superfluous to me.

    Please explain how, in the absence of this allowance in the totalitarian scoop, children were born and raised?
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      Please explain how, in the absence of this allowance in the totalitarian scoop, children were born and raised?


      I do not understand what the connection is. Children "were born and grew up" the whole history of human civilization. This is not related to benefits. It’s you who decided to rise up like that, having made fun of your opponent so high? Kindergarten...
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        I do not understand what the connection is.

        I explain for those who are on an armored train.
        The capital is presented by the authorities as the greatest achievement, without which the demography of Russia would be either zero or negative. Therefore, I asked the question how without this "great deed" the population gave birth to children and the population of the Union grew. And now, upon Reaching, for some reason it is dying out.
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          Quote: Alf
          Matkapital is served by power as the greatest achievement,


          Matcapital is just mat. Capital. If you don’t need this help, then millions of families need it. Do not be selfish.
          And as for population growth - you already decide: either you want to live "like in Europe" - and then the negative population growth that is characteristic of all financially secure countries - or a return to the hungry post-war years and the significant population growth that is characteristic of all low-income countries.
          And then you lose your logic for your desire to hinder the power. wink
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          If you don’t need this help, then millions of families need it.

          But what about before, in the era of the seven kings, they did without mother capital? Did the children grow up hungry and barefoot? Or didn’t you see the toys? And the population of the USSR was growing.
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    Stroporez I will subscribe to every word we live not thanks to and contrary to!
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      tech3030 (Eugene)

      Kamrad, thanks for the support! soldier drinks
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    Quote: Arkon
    Germany and the USA still no

    Seriously?
    Quote: Arkon
    Why compare geopolitical dwarfs with imperial Russia?

    Do you want to compare with dashing 90s?
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    Free hot meals for high school children were introduced in Finland in 1943 !!!!

    And in our country, Ivan the Terrible introduced free primary education.
    Incidentally, the uniform form in the army (for the first time in the world) was introduced precisely under it.
  • Lopatov 20 February 2020 13: 04 New
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    hot food for high school children was introduced in Finland in 1943 !!!!

    And in the USSR, parents paid. Reinforced concrete.
    1. Alexey RA 20 February 2020 13: 27 New
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      And in the USSR, parents paid. Reinforced concrete.

      20 kopecks breakfast, 35 kopecks lunch. For breakfast every week everyone handed over money to the class teacher, but lunch was already a personal matter - they paid themselves, whoever wants to.
      A sand ring with nuts cost 22 kopecks in the school buffet - abidna, and. smile
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        A sand ring with nuts cost 22 kopecks in the school buffet - abidna, and.

        Belyash -17 kopecks, pie with jam -5 kopecks, korzhik-8 kopecks, cake 12-kopecks, eclair-18 kopecks, tea 2-kopecks, milk was free! good drinks
        1. Bad_gr 20 February 2020 16: 14 New
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          Belyash -17 kopecks, pie with jam -5 kopecks, cake-8 kopecks,

          A glass of plum juice 8 kopecks., Apple - 10 kopecks., Apricot - 12 kopecks.
          And on canned food, the selling price of canned food was printed on a label at the factory.
          1. Alexey RA 20 February 2020 19: 51 New
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            And on canned food, the selling price of canned food was printed on a label at the factory.

            * tediously clarifies: Three prices - by price zones.
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            And on canned food, the selling price of canned food was printed on a label at the factory.

    2. Sling cutter 20 February 2020 15: 51 New
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      And in the USSR, parents paid. Reinforced concrete.

      I do not argue, 1 rubles 20 kopecks per week, which was 20 kopecks per day !!!!!
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        Quote: Spade
        And in the USSR, parents paid. Reinforced concrete.

        I do not argue, 1 rubles 20 kopecks per week, which was 20 kopecks per day !!!!!

        And do not remember how many rubles parents earned in a week?
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          And do not remember how many rubles parents earned in a week?

          In terms of the week, mom -35 rubles, dad-55 rubles, grandmother 18 rubles. The monthly rent along with those. and el.en about 4 rubles for a three-ruble note.
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        I do not argue, 1 rubles 20 kopecks per week, which was 20 kopecks per day !!!!!

        A backward country compared to Finland in 1943 ...
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          A backward country compared to Finland in 1943 ...

          Do not scuffle. Baby food in dairy kitchens was completely free and a lot of things were either completely free or worth a penny, for example, in 1991, I bought a ruble for my daughter's sandals and shoes! And now the children of the Urals have been given a handout in the amount of 5 rubles per day for food !!! Is it funny to you? And my fists are clenching.
  • spectr 20 February 2020 17: 19 New
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    Budgets are good. Only in some cases can you see the effectiveness of their use.
    For example, one of the national projects "Science". One of his task is to build a normal education system in the country. And now we drive into the search engine about finding a job as a teacher and see what “interesting” salaries schools offer teachers.
    It is unlikely that the poor teachers are eager to raise their education in the country, and judging by their salaries, money is either not allocated or is not reaching.
    And not to allocate is very simple. It is enough to create such a list of requirements to provide these amounts that 90% of educational institutions will not fulfill them. And in the end it turns out that on paper it seems like everyone worked, and the output is zero. And most importantly, a budget surplus.
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    Alf 20 February 2020 20: 59 New
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    All this money "has already" gone into the economy.

    And how much has "reached"? To the place, and not to the personal accounts of the performer?
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      Alf 21 February 2020 18: 58 New
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      Quote: Arkon
      All this money "has already" gone into the economy.

      And how much has "reached"? To the place, and not to the personal accounts of the performer?

      So someone got caught again. For all my comments I walked and minus everywhere, I did not even believe in the minted price.
  • Alf
    Alf 20 February 2020 20: 56 New
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    about now in the T-14 troops of the order of hundreds

    Lope, lope? Where do the firewood come from, in the sense of infa?
  • _Sergei_ 20 February 2020 09: 15 New
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    T-72 is a tank of the middle of the last century, no matter how you try to upgrade it, it will not become modern. Alas. And we’ll finish on that topic of an imminent armored hero (an anniversary is just 50 in Latin).

    Abrams is also a mid-century tank and how much you don’t upgrade
    it will not become modern
    . And what can NATO oppose to us for the same tanks. Never mind. Even against the T-72M3.
  • Maks1995 20 February 2020 09: 19 New
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    If we assume that all around are evil wolves, then 160 tanks in the troops out of 550 in warehouses are not enough.

    And if you consider that the "evil wolves" are only for the common people in the trenches, and the elite buys hacienda behind the hillock from the "wolves" and takes bucks to the "evil reptiles" by billions, and the different beloved oligarchs whose residents are unclear just right.

    And the flag was demonstrated, and money was saved, and there will be enough for 2 more such terms of promises - that is, 20 years ahead ...

    All right.
  • vnord 20 February 2020 09: 37 New
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    As everyone already got tired of sobbing around Armata ... Well, they would rivet Armat and get: a crude tank, without spare parts, without a maintenance base, without trained officers capable of operating and servicing them .. And in the end, the same rake as with the T-64 .. .
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      As everyone already got tired of sobbing around Armata ... Well, they would rivet Armat and get: a crude tank, without spare parts, without a maintenance base, without trained officers capable of operating and servicing them .. And in the end, the same rake as with the T-64 .. .

      Why then had to constantly lie about 2015 and 2020?
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        Well, as far as I know, information related to the quantity, delivery time, locations and other things is somewhat secret in order to accurately disclose it through the media. Well, it is not intended for civilians. As a result, the Internet is full of rumors and fiction.
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      The same sobs at one time were with regard to the T-90 - that the tank was not needed at all, that it was created to cut the budget, that it would not be produced. From the moment of its development and the start of production of large batches, then by the way a very respectable time passed - no less than a decade for sure.
  • Hermit21 20 February 2020 09: 43 New
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    T-72 is a tank of the middle of the last century, no matter how you try to upgrade it, it will not become modern

    T-72B3 satisfy the requirements for a modern model. The personal opinion of couch specialists like "this is your old T-72B3" no one rested against
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      Alf 20 February 2020 21: 14 New
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      T-72B3 satisfy the requirements for a modern model.

      And why then did the T-90?
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  • evgenii67 20 February 2020 10: 27 New
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    I read the article and remembered a joke about how 28 tanks wanted to shove 7 pieces in 13 mouths.
    and so we will wait and see how the next promise will fail. I don’t believe these plans for a long time, well, according to the T-90M, it’s still possible, because we already have about the promised number of them, so if we upgrade the entire fleet and plus new ones, it may be fulfilled, but there are big doubts. The author indicated: “The T-72 is a tank of the middle of the last century, no matter how you try to modernize it, it will not become modern. Alas. And we will end on that topic of an early armored car (an anniversary is exactly 50 in Latin).

    But the potential of the T-90 is not something that has not been fully revealed, today we can confidently say from experience with the T-72: they have not even come close to the middle. Therefore, the beginning of modernization will be a very, very significant step. "



    the author is generally aware that the T-90 is a deep modernization of the T-72 ?????

  • Oleg1 20 February 2020 10: 27 New
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    “It would be quite clear that there will be no“ Almaty ”, but the T-72, although it is a B3 (and even B3m), it’s still a T-72, whatever Yury Borisov says. This is a tank, alas , almost (and with the development and quite) fifty years. "
    Why is it clear? This is a big secret of the author .... I suspect that the author is hiding under the pseudonym Shoigu, otherwise such a passionate confidence is simply inexplicable ....
    Threat Russian fools can hypersound and Armata? Not to life! Right?
    PS but another informed person (Putin) claims:

    "By 2027, the army will receive at least 900 new tanks, including 500 T-14 vehicles created on the Armata platform. State tests are planned for 2020, and if they are successful, the tanks will go to the troops."
    So who is lying? I think I know ....
    1. evgenii67 20 February 2020 10: 59 New
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      So who is lying? I think I know ....

      they all lie! and the Guarantor as well. Of course, for the most part it’s not his own fault, but you can dig into the Internet and find a dozen of his foes that it’s only "we will not raise our retirement age", "we don’t have time to roll up," about the fight against corruption and for the price of petrol?!
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        they all lie! and the Guarantor as well. Of course, for the most part it’s not my fault,

        Is it the fault of the people? wassat
        1. evgenii67 20 February 2020 12: 50 New
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          Well, if you say that the authorities are all kinds of officials from the "people", then yes.
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            Well, if you say that the authorities are all kinds of officials from the "people", then yes.

            Kamrad, you wrote it right. I do not agree only with the thesis "not of my own fault" .., but of my own intention. I was so joking laughing drinks
    2. Sling cutter 20 February 2020 11: 52 New
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      Quote: Oleg1
      but another informed person (Putin) claims:

      "By 2027, the army will receive at least 900 new tanks, including 500 T-14 vehicles created on the Armata platform. State tests are planned for 2020, and if they are successful, the tanks will go to the troops."
      So who is lying? I think I know ....

      By 2027, Putin will no longer be president, so in the long run after 2024 you can lie as much as you like for any reason.
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        Quote: Stroporez
        2027 Putin will no longer be president

        Why do you think so? And who will be?
        Quote: Stroporez
        run after 2024 you can lie as much as you like for any reason.

        As if until 2024 it’s hard to lie. What programs were supposed to finish there in 2020?
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      Alf 20 February 2020 21: 15 New
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      Quote: Oleg1
      but another informed person (Putin) claims:

      While I am president, there will be no increase.
      Quote: Oleg1
      and if they succeed,

      A very significant amendment ...
  • Engineer 20 February 2020 11: 00 New
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    A typical example of the work of modern management in Russia: we spend billions on development, try out several years of samples, then we buy several units for parades on Red Square and launch a new multi-billion dollar development program that has no analogues in the world, because the previous one did not satisfy with something MO. The money has been spent and there is something to show to the people on TV, and the army has not yet demolished Soviet pants.
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      Just because a good manager is not called a manager. Feed from any financial flow. What does the impact on the development? In Soviet times, the development of bundles under the cloth left, often remaining only on paper. And now we bring out the light of day and begin to sob on lost years. Do you propose wearing Soviet trousers until the farm begins to shine through the holes?
  • Oleg1 20 February 2020 11: 09 New
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    Quote: Engineer
    A typical example of the work of modern management in Russia: we spend billions on development, try out several years of samples, then we buy several units for parades on Red Square and launch a new multi-billion dollar development program that has no analogues in the world, because the previous one did not satisfy with something MO. The money has been spent and there is something to show to the people on TV, and the army has not yet demolished Soviet pants.


    Are you all at home? new equipment it was still necessary to finish it. State tests are planned for 2020, and if they complete successfully, the tanks will go to the troops.
    Oh, these all-crawlers ....
    1. evgenii67 20 February 2020 13: 14 New
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      Are you all at home? new equipment it was still necessary to finish it. State trials are planned for 2020,
      and what equipment was shown at the Parade in 15? Well, I’m just wondering why to demonstrate the equipment in 15 years, and after 5 years, still demonstrate it and claim that it is new, needs to be improved, so you need to wait a bit with adoption?
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      Quote: Oleg1
      State tests are planned for 2020, and if they complete successfully, the tanks will go to the troops.

      "By 2020, 2000 Armata platforms will be delivered to the troops." WILL BE DELIVERED, NOT TESTING WILL BEGIN - a very big difference.
  • Sapsan136 20 February 2020 11: 14 New
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    I have nothing against the modernization and construction of the new T-90MS, I'm only for..Any increase in the combat capabilities of the tank is in the army’s favor, fear of the enemies and this is not discussed .. If we talk about the T-72, then with this approach the NATO tanks can be called obsolete ... For example, Abrams has been developed since 1971, in production since 1980. The T-72 has been developed since 1967, and has been in production since 1973 ... If we talk about the realities, the modernization turned these tanks into actually new machines and it makes no sense to compare the T-72 Urals of the 1973 model with the 72 T-1989BM tank, there common only similar name ...
  • Pecheneg 20 February 2020 12: 00 New
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    In my opinion, the T-14 is currently an excess tank, but it is not very cheap. The variant with the T-90M is quite justified both from the point of view of the military-political situation and from the point of view of socio-economic. The budget is not rubber, in addition, the social consciousness of society is progressing in the Russian Federation. Those. the state should not forget about its obligations to the population not only in protecting it, but also in education, health care, culture, etc. Given the armament of the Airborne Forces with the T-72B3 tanks, and the Marine Corps with the T-80BV tanks, the decision on the T-90M is absolutely correct.
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      Those. the state should not forget about its obligations to the population ... but also about education, health care, culture, etc.

      And what is it doing now, and very successfully?
  • achtung 20 February 2020 12: 03 New
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    Article plus. Now this is a completely adequate analysis of the situation. Even with a little too much skepticism regarding Armat, in my opinion. The novel writes about 10 years of refinement, but now there are about a hundred in the T-14 troops, as I understand it. It is for fine-tuning. Therefore, I think 10 is a somewhat overstated term. I am waiting for Armata in service after 3-4 years. However, time will tell.

    Are you sure there are hundreds of T-14 troops? Strongly doubt that a few dozen typed.
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    exo 20 February 2020 12: 18 New
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    T-90 M, a good option.
    The trouble with Armata was that, not having appeared in the army, she provoked NATO to seriously modernize its tank fleet. It would be better if they didn’t shine before being put into series.
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      The modernization of the NATO tank fleet began according to the experience of the wars in the Middle East, so the changes affected mainly mine protection, airborne anti-cumulative armor and surveillance equipment. And then "armata"?
  • God save the king 20 February 2020 12: 43 New
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    If the new tank does not provide radical advantages in comparison with existing vehicles, then of course it makes more sense to modernize what is already there.
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    It's time to switch to new weapons. Although still raw, but new, it is necessary to build a T-14 and combat vehicles on its base, after several years of operation, to modernize, taking into account practical realities ...... The T-90 is a decent machine, but it is a tank of the last century ... . time to move forward, and for this we need a completely new base and a new concept .....
  • Andrey.AN 20 February 2020 13: 03 New
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    In general, the T-72 can also be upgraded, the gun can be strengthened so that the crowbar is thicker and the gunpowder is hotter, hung up on the muzzle brake and integrated into the FCS of the remote fuse programmer, compact autopilot automation can be installed, the suspension allows hanging up to ten tons without special troubles if necessary any protection. The car is especially good at storing them like dirt, the demand for this tank can be maintained even before the centennial, since the author remembered Latin, then in this dead language false means the truth.
  • Oleg1 20 February 2020 13: 03 New
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    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: Oleg1
    but another informed person (Putin) claims:

    "By 2027, the army will receive at least 900 new tanks, including 500 T-14 vehicles created on the Armata platform. State tests are planned for 2020, and if they are successful, the tanks will go to the troops."
    So who is lying? I think I know ....

    By 2027, Putin will no longer be president, so in the long run after 2024 you can lie as much as you like for any reason.

    Do you have everything at home again? From 2020, tanks will go to the troops .... then by 2024 there will already be a significant number of them.
    How do you want to make a mess of the country, look do not overwork ....
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      From 2020, tanks will go to the troops .... then by 2024 there will already be a significant number of them.

      GO and WILL- in modern Russia are very different concepts.
  • Sancho_SP 20 February 2020 13: 22 New
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    Even 900 tanks is a lot. So much is not needed.
    1. Oleg1 20 February 2020 13: 59 New
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      Comrade Shoigu? Sorry did not recognize.
      Threat the number of aircraft and the composition of the armament will determine the military-political leadership of the country in accordance with the existing threats but not couch experts.
      Threat we all have a peace treaty especially with the peace-loving US? Old, you can’t buy it anymore.
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        Comrade Shoigu also receives a salary from my taxes. And as one of the banquet sponsors I say - a lot.
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          Comrade Shoigu also receives a salary from my taxes. And as one of the banquet sponsors I say - a lot.


          Even if you are one of the sponsors of the banquet, this does not mean your qualifications. Announce it: - when did you graduate from the General Staff Academy? The rank of lieutenant general, colonel general? Well, the last announce your sources of information, you are probably admitted to the information owls. secret on the matter? If not, your opinion is negligible as any couch expert ....
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          Comrade Shoigu also receives a salary from my taxes. And as one of the banquet sponsors I say - a lot.

          And the army is large, hundreds of thousands will be enough. But the National Guard is pumping it. Incidentally, the furniture marshal did just that, and said that many airfields are expensive, and they need to be reduced to FOUR, it’s cheaper.
  • Host Tavern 20 February 2020 14: 21 New
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    NUS will see.
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    5-9 20 February 2020 14: 55 New
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    I did not understand about the "old T-72" ... T-90 honestly had to be called T-72U :)
    The appearance of the T-90M KRAZ shows that there are reserves for modernization .... but the “partners” do not seem to have rested on the platform’s weight restrictions for a long time.
  • Fishery 20 February 2020 15: 24 New
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    But can I talk about the Indian experience in more detail?
  • Fishery 20 February 2020 15: 28 New
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    enlighten the amateur what is the global advantage of Almaty over Lecler + kaz, just do not mock but seriously explain)
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      Alf 20 February 2020 21: 25 New
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      enlighten the amateur what is the global advantage of Almaty over Lecler + kaz, just do not mock but seriously explain)

      An uninhabited tower means that you can twist a more powerful gun and protect the crew more reliably in the new armored capsule.
      1. Fishery 20 February 2020 21: 43 New
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        I understand that the tool is now at the level of the best analogues, it’s clear with the capsule, but the advantage right now is over the Leclerc, because it seems to me that there is nothing besides the capsule, that is, the overwhelming advantage is in question
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          Alf 20 February 2020 21: 50 New
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          Isn't a capsule an overwhelming advantage? If there wasn’t a big advantage, would different French-Germans rush to plan a new tank together, because Leopard and Leclerc are not gifts either?
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            it is more a shield than a sword)
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          ...... and the advantage right now over the Leclerc

          Leclerc is one of the most expensive (if not the most expensive) tank in the European theater. Too full of electronics, which in peacetime does not work very well. The power plant consists of a diesel engine, the boost of air to which is provided by a gas turbine engine. The generator stands on a gas turbine engine and the turbine can operate without a diesel engine. Diesel without a turbine does not work. Power turbines on kerosene, diesel, by itself, on diesel fuel.
          I won’t say anything about its armor protection, but these nylon bottles under the tower cover (like in a nightstand), something is not very similar to additional protection.
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            evil tongues say that for him there is a finished 140 mm gun, and his 18 computers help him mark and keep a decent number of targets, and it seems that the new European tank that will be developed will be based on the leclerc and leopard.
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              Quote: Tonya
              the European tank that will be developed will be based on the leclerc and leopard.

  • loki565 20 February 2020 17: 01 New
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    It’s strange that upgrading the T72 is bad, but upgrading the abrams is good, they started to release it the same way yesterday.
  • Metlik 20 February 2020 17: 38 New
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    And where are the guarantees that it will not work out the same way as with Armata? Here it’s not the tank model that needs to be changed, but the figures who engage in chatter instead of work.
  • Valdaev 20 February 2020 20: 47 New
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    [quote] It would be quite clear that “Almaty” will not be / quote]

    Less than 5-7 years have passed to recognize what was clear even then.
  • Knell wardenheart 20 February 2020 20: 54 New
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    The main thing is that with all these endless modernization, modernization, we do not sit one day in the same puddle as our space sat with SpaceX. How much was invested in Armata and there was really a chance to break loose on the development of tanks ahead of the competition - and silence. I hope all this does not disappear in vain ..
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    Defective managers pushed, pushed, and again got offended.
  • Star Trek 20 February 2020 22: 59 New
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    Good evening everyone!
    It is necessary to develop on the basis of Almaty - the 9th heavy-armored skating rink platform "Muromets" and on the basis of it the tank "Ilya Muromets" with a 152-mm gun in 2030.
    Tower based on the Black Eagle + T-100-140.
    A crew of 3 people is placed in front in a very ultra-protected capsule, the crew’s place allows you to comfortably fight in any weather and climate conditions and allows the crew weighing up to 150 kg to sit down without constraint.
    The uninhabited tower has the ability to launch guided missiles through the barrel, has a radio photon locator for scanning and detecting enemy mechanized targets up to 10-30 km.
    The tank is equipped with a 7.62 mm machine gun mount paired with a 30 mm cannon for firing air targets.
    The tower of the new tank has guided grenade launchers and means of setting aerosol and smoke screens.
    Dynamic armor is made of heavy-duty carbide boron armor ceramics, significantly improved by carbon nanotubes, and composites.
    Plus active protection afghanit.
    The tank has a digitally controlled turbo diesel / gas turbine engine with intelligent diagnostics.
    Such an Ilya Muromets tank was created using the latest defense technologies for 3 decades and will be the most powerful and ultra-protected tank of the 21st century and it will be able to cope with any fierce enemy on the battlefield and ensure the security of our country for many decades to come!
    Who are the guys for this tank?
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      Alf 21 February 2020 19: 01 New
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      Quote: Star Trek
      Who are the guys for this tank?

      Players at HERE. The rest of the rest are not separated from reality.
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    But the military insisted that the ammunition should be the same

    I wonder what is the point of maintaining the BC, if you still can not use it. How many Iraqi tanks succeeded in firing shots before destruction? Did they manage to spend all the BC?