How a bright future was stolen from the Russian people

D. Nalbandian. For the happiness of the people. The meeting of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.). 1949

The red emperor. Stalin built a society of the "Golden Age", where man was a creator, creator. Hence his many creative projects aimed at the development and prosperity of the Russian state and people.

Transpolar highway

The Stalinist government realized that the Siberian Railway alone was not enough for the cohesion of the Soviet Union. And after the Great Patriotic War, it became obvious that the northern strategic communication - the Northern Sea Route, is vulnerable to potential opponents. Its main ports - Murmansk and Arkhangelsk, are located close to the north-western border, and in the event of a new major war with the West they can be blocked. Also, such a path led to the settlement and economic development of the Russian North.

It is worth noting that the idea of ​​building the Great Northern Railway Track was in the Russian Empire. Projects were proposed for the construction of a road from the Barents Sea to the great rivers of Siberia with a further extension to the Tatar Strait, that is, to the Pacific Ocean. But then these projects were not implemented due to the complexity of the route, the enormous material costs, underdevelopment and low population of territories north of the Trans-Siberian Railway. In 1928, the idea of ​​connecting the Atlantic, Northern and Pacific Oceans by rail returned. In 1931, this plan was postponed, focusing on the development of the eastern part of the Northern Sea Route. The Great Patriotic War showed that the highway in the North is necessary. Initially, it was decided to build a new port in the Gulf of Ob in the area of ​​Cape Kamenny and connect it with a 700-kilometer railway line to the existing Kotlas-Vorkuta branch. The construction was entrusted to the Central Railway Administration of the USSR NKVD-MVD. Prisoners and civilian workers built the road.

Pretty soon it became clear that the Gulf of Ob was not suitable for the construction of the port. At the beginning of 1949, a meeting was held of I.V. Stalin, L.P. Beria and N.A. Frenkel (head of the Main Department of Housing and Public Health). It was decided to stop construction on the Yamal Peninsula, not to lead the road to Cape Kamenny and to begin the construction of a 1290-kilometer path to the lower reaches of the Yenisei, along the Chum - Labytnangi - Salekhard - Nadym - Yagelnaya - Pur - Taz - Yanov Stan - Ermakovo - Igarka lines, with the construction of the port in Igarka. It was further planned to extend the line through the Dudinka line to Norilsk.

Construction department No. 502, which was engaged in the construction of a railway from the Chum station of the Pechora railway to Cape Kamenny with a branch to Labytnangi, was liquidated. Two new departments were formed - western No. 501 with a base in Salekhard, which was responsible for the section from Labytnangi to the river. Pur, and the eastern administration No. 503 with a base in Igarka (then moved to Ermakovo), which built a line from Pur to Igarka.

Construction was proceeding at a fairly rapid pace. On the western section, 100-140 km of track was leased per year. In August 1952, a movement was opened between Salekhard and Nadym. By 1953, the embankment was filled up almost to Pur, some of the rails were laid. Things went slower in the eastern sector, there were fewer workers and materials were more difficult to deliver. A telegraph and telephone line was built along the entire road. By the death of Stalin in March 1953, more than 700 km of 1290 km were laid, about 1100 km were dumped. About a year remained before commissioning.

However, in March 1953, all work was stopped, and then completely stopped. The working staff was removed, some of the equipment and materials were also taken out, but most were simply abandoned. As a result, the creative work of tens of thousands of people, the time, effort and materials spent, tens of billions of full-weight rubles - all turned out to be in vain. The most important project for the country and the people, which, obviously, would be continued, buried. Even from a purely economic point of view (without the strategic need to improve the cohesion of a power of military importance), the decision to quit the construction of the Trans-Polar Railway in such a high degree of readiness led to greater losses for the state treasury than if the road were completed. Moreover, it could and should have been extended to the Norilsk industrial region, where rich deposits of copper, iron, nickel and coal have already been developed.

The fact that the construction of the Trans-Polar Railway was a necessary and objective step is evidenced by the fact that already in modern Russia they have returned to this or that extent to this project. This is the so-called Northern latitudinal passage, which should connect the western and eastern parts of the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, and then continue east to Igarka and Dudinka.

Sakhalin Tunnel

Stalin's other gigantic infrastructure project is the Sakhalin Tunnel. This project is also regularly recalled in modern Russia and is even planned to be implemented, but in the form of a bridge (in the fall of 2019, Russian Railways included the construction of a railway bridge to Sakhalin in the investment program for 2020–2022).

The tunnel to Sakhalin, like the Northern railway, was of military importance (the rapid transfer of troops to the island in the event of a threat of war in the Far East) and economic. A large infrastructure project was needed for the development of the Far Eastern region. Aviation and ferry services are insufficient for Sakhalin. In stormy weather, the island is inaccessible, in winter the Tatar Strait freezes, icebreakers are required to be escorted.

The idea of ​​a tunnel to Sakhalin arose in the Russian Empire, but was not realized. They returned to her already in Soviet times. In 1950, Stalin personally advocated the project of connecting Sakhalin with the mainland using the railway. Options with a ferry, a tunnel and a bridge were considered. On May 5, 1950, the USSR Council of Ministers decided to build a tunnel and a reserve sea ferry. The Ministry of the Interior and the Ministry of Railways of the USSR were responsible for the construction of the tunnel. The technical design was prepared in the fall of 1950. Part of the path went along the island of Sakhalin - from Pobedino station to Cape Pogibi (the beginning of the tunnel), only 327 km. The length of the tunnel itself from Cape Pogibi on Sakhalin to Cape Lazarev on the mainland was supposed to be about 10 km (the narrowest section of the strait was chosen). On the mainland, they were planning to draw a branch from Cape Lazarev to Selikhin station on the Komsomolsk-on-Amur-Sovetskaya Gavan section. In total, more than 500 km. The tunnel was supposed to work in late 1955.

About 27 thousand people were involved in the construction - prisoners, parole, civilian workers and military personnel. By the time of Joseph Stalin's death, more than 100 km of the railway on the mainland were built, preparatory work was still underway in Sakhalin (lack of equipment, materials, the problem with their delivery), work was underway to create a ferry crossing. After Stalin's death, the project was turned off. Obviously, this was another stupidity or sabotage. So, one of the builders of the tunnel, engineer Yu. A. Koshelev noted that there was everything to continue the work - well-trained specialists and workers, machinery, equipment and materials. Builders "awaited an order to resume construction. We wrote about this in Moscow, asked and begged. I think the cessation of the construction of the tunnel is some kind of wild, ridiculous mistake. After all, billions of rubles of folk money, years of desperate labor were invested in the tunnel. And most importantly, the country really needs a tunnel ... ”It was only in the 70s that a ferry crossing was launched.

Thus, the “heirs” of Stalin inflicted damage on the defense capability of the USSR-Russia, and for many decades delayed the infrastructure and economic development of Sakhalin and the region as a whole.

The fourth navigable canal of Stalin

Since 1931, at the direction of Stalin, canals were built in Russia successively. The first was the White Sea-Baltic Canal (1931-1933), which connected the White Sea with Lake Onega and had access to the Baltic Sea and the Volga-Baltic Waterway. The second channel is the Volga-Moscow (1932-1938), which connected the Moscow River with the Volga. The third channel was the Volga-Don Canal (1948-1953), connecting the Volga and Don rivers at the point of their maximum convergence on the Volgodonsk Isthmus and at the same time providing the Caspian with the Sea of ​​Azov.

Stalin's plans also included a fourth canal - the Main Turkmen Canal, from the Amu Darya River to Krasnovodsk. It was needed for the irrigation and land reclamation of Turkmenistan and was part of Stalin's larger-scale program to transform nature. Also for shipping from the Volga to the Amu Darya. Its length was to be over 1200 km. The width of the canal was more than 100 m, the depth was 6–7 m. At the beginning of the canal, a huge dam was built in Takhiatash, which was combined with a hydroelectric power station. 25% of the Amu Darya drain was about to be diverted to a new canal. The Aral Sea was supposed to lower the level, and the land freed during the retreat of the sea was supposed to be used in agriculture. Around the canal, it was planned to erect thousands of kilometers of trunk and distribution channels, reservoirs, and three hydroelectric power stations of 100 thousand kilowatts each.

Preparatory work began in 1950. 10-12 thousand people were involved in the construction. The completion of the titanic construction was planned for 1957. After Stalin's death, the project was closed. Formally, due to the high cost. Instead of the Turkmen canal in 1957, they began to build the Karakum canal. Construction was often interrupted and was only completed in 1988.

Interestingly, this project of Stalin had roots in pre-revolutionary Russia. In fact, the Soviet leader materialized bold and advanced designs for his time, which were forgotten for a long time. So, in the 1870s, officers of the Russian General Staff leveled new possessions of the Russian Empire in Central Asia. In 1879–1883 an expedition headed by Colonel Glukhovsky worked in Turkestan. It took almost ten years to study the old branches of the former Amu Darya delta, its dry channel (Uzboy) in the direction of the Caspian and the Sarakamysh depression. Based on the results of geodetic surveys, the project was compiled: "Passing the waters of the Amu Darya river along its old channel into the Caspian Sea and the formation of a continuous water Amu Darya-Caspian route from the borders of Afghanistan along the Amu Darya, Caspian, Volga and Mariinsky systems to St. Petersburg and the Baltic Sea." However, the project was hacked, and Glukhovsky was called "crazy."

Stalin's plan for transforming nature

Stalin built a society of the "Golden Age", where man was a creator, creator. Hence his plan for the "Great Transformation of Nature" - a comprehensive program of scientific regulation of nature in the Soviet Union. The program was developed by prominent Russian scientists. The plan was adopted at the initiative of the Soviet leader and was put into effect by a resolution of the Council of Ministers of October 20, 1948. It was designed for a long period - until 1965. It was based on the creation of powerful forest belts in the steppe and forest-steppe zones of the country with a length of thousands of kilometers; introduction of grass field crop rotation; construction of ponds, reservoirs and irrigation canals.

The effect was amazing: the yield of grain, vegetables, herbs increased, soil erosion processes slowed down, they recovered, forest belts protected fields and crops, terrible sand and dust storms stopped. Provided food security of the state. Forests were restored. Thousands of new reservoirs were created, a large system of waterways. The national economy received cheap electricity, water was used to irrigate fields and gardens.

Unfortunately, during Khrushchev many programs were destroyed or distorted. Which led to big problems in agriculture, lower yields and a violation of food security in Russia. After the collapse of the USSR, when Russia became part of the world capitalist system, and standards of a consumer society — the society of the “golden calf”, self-destruction and destruction of man and nature, were introduced into our lives, the situation became much worse. We are witnessing a global biosphere crisis. Forests are everywhere exterminated, reservoirs are polluted, like everything around. As a result, the rivers become shallow, in the spring “unexpected” floods, in the summer terrible fires. The whole country was turned into a garbage dump. All these are consequences of the rejection of the Stalinist society of creation and service, where man is the creator. Now our society is part of a global system of consumption and self-destruction. Man has been turned into a consumer slave, a “virus” that destroys its own cradle - Earth. Hence the numerous destructive trends leading to a global environmental disaster.

New imperial culture

Among the numerous projects of the red emperor is imperial culture. “All the richness of culture must be claimed by the new reality. Culture must become the life-giving soil of a new life! ” So Stalin claimed. Culture in the Stalinist empire became the technology of embodiment of the ideal - the image of a possible, probable and desired future. She convinced people, especially young generations, in the reality of the new world, the civilization of the future. Where a person fully reveals his creative, intellectual and physical potential, he masters the depths of the oceans and space. The dream came true "here and now." In the Stalinist USSR, people saw how a country is transforming for the better, at a very fast pace, just wonderful.

Soviet (Stalinist) culture was based on the best traditions of Russian culture. On Lomonosov, Pushkin, Lermontov, Dostoevsky and Tolstoy. In Russian epics, fairy tales, Alexander Nevsky and Dmitry Donskoy, on Alexander Suvorov and Mikhail Kutuzov, Fedor Ushakov and Pavel Nakhimov. On the matrix codes of Russian civilization. Where good always triumphs over evil, where the general is higher than the particular, solidarity is higher than individuality, mutual assistance is selfishness. Russian culture carried light and justice.

Therefore, under Stalin, in all the more or less significant settlements, houses and palaces of culture were opened. In them, children received the basics of knowledge of art and culture, were massively involved in creativity, creation. They sang, played musical instruments, performed in folk theaters, studied in studios and laboratories, made amateur films, etc.

Hence the Stalinist architecture. The Exhibition of Achievements of the National Economy (VDNH), the metro, the Stalinist skyscrapers - monuments of imperial culture. Under Stalin, beautiful and comfortable houses were built ("Stalin"). The appearance of the red empire was beautiful and attractive. Under Khrushchev introduced grayness and wretchedness ("Khrushchev's myth of housing construction").

Thus, Stalin led the power and the people in "Happy Tomorrow", "to the stars." Russia was a world leader in creating a just order and society, and gave mankind a real alternative to the Western project of enslaving a person. She showed how to live. Worthy of honest work, creation. The red emperor took over the “finished country” and left behind an empire superpower. However, after Stalin's death, the door to “Tomorrow” was closed for the Russians. With Khrushchev, "perestroika-de-Stalinization" began, which made Russia and our people a part of the global slave system, where our place is a colony and a resource for the "chosen".

Comments

[DMB 75]

Stalin built a society of the "Golden Age", where man was a creator, creator. Hence his many creative projects aimed at the development and prosperity of the Russian state and people.
Russia was a world leader in creating a just order and society, and gave mankind a real alternative to the Western project of enslaving a person. She showed how to live. Worthy, honest work, creation.
I agree with every word.

[Stas157]

The appearance of the red empire was beautiful and attractive. Under Khrushchev introduced grayness and wretchedness

The great Stalin led the country into the future, limited Khrushchev slowed it down. This can be seen even in architecture. Old stalinkas are still enviable and expensive housing, and more modern Khrushchev houses are demolished.

The author, once again, thanks for the most interesting articles!

[Lexus]

The author, once again, thanks for the most interesting articles!

I am joining. The whole cycle The author writes very competently, informatively and irrefutably.

[Sling cutter]

The Soviet Union is not a thing of the past; it is dissolved in the future.
I don’t see the point of talking about how wonderful we lived in those days, everything has already been said without me, but I propose to see how it was and what we lost!

[Svarog]

Great movie, here you need to show these on TV ..
I look, people are all slender, really, good food .. The rent is 3% .. and now 33%, feel the difference ..

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Svarog

Great movie, here you need to show these on TV ..

On zomboyaschik evening-M show and drain tanks.
This is a reminder for those who shit in their past.

[Gene84]

Quote: Stroporez

how it was and what we lost!

we lost a lot in the collapse of the Soviet system and gained absolutely nothing in capitalism.

[evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru]

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[Andrey Koptelov]

Skint this video to Chubais.

[Andrey Koptelov]

Spit on the monitor citizens. I liked the comment on YouTube "If I invent a time machine, the first thing I do is show this video to Comrade Stalin. He knows what to do!"

[Serg65]

Quote: lexus

The whole cycle The author writes very competently, informatively and irrefutably.

And lying godlessly! And yes, join us!

[your1970]

Quote: Stas157

The appearance of the red empire was beautiful and attractive. Under Khrushchev introduced grayness and wretchedness

Great Stalin led the country into the future, limited Khrushchev slowed him down. This can be seen even in architecture. Old stalinkas are still enviable and expensive housing, and more modern Khrushchev houses are demolished.

The author, once again, thanks for the most interesting articles!

Now we look carefully at YOUR text and THINKING...

you understand - what is in your words anti-soviet millions of times stronger than in Solzhenitsyn nonsense?

"Great Stalin" had his own team - "limited Khrushchev" comes and all(!!!) Stalin’s team (all without exception !!!) immediately changes its attitude towards everything, absolutely everything: architecture, army, science, industry, taxes, transport, missiles ...
Absolutely everything is changing attitude ...
What does this mean? Yes, about the banal - about the obscurity of this team, its dullness and the desire to stay near the throne ..
"The king is dead - long live the king !!"
Everyone cared about the money and labor spent on the construction of the "Dead Road" and the Sakhalin Tunnel and a bunch of projects, absolutely no one was interested in their necessity and usefulness for the country
The servants today listened to Stalin and began construction - and tomorrow she listened to Khrushchev and buried the construction sites.
What is characteristic is that they have not brought a single case of wrecking and squandering millions of folk remedies. Who should they plant themselves loved ones?
I can understand the current oligarchs (DO NOT forgive, just understand !!) - they drag in their pocket, the reflex, so to speak, and at least some sense - relatively understandable.
But the then didn’t even drag it into your pocket - they are just stupidly all thrown in the tundra and buried under the sea, rotted millions and turned the work into dust .... having heard a few words from the National Union of Artists, they bent their backs "What does the master want? ah, stop the construction site? We will do this in a second ..." ...
They threw it so hastily - that even the rolling stock was not taken out of there - which sounds like a joke at all, steam locomotives are not arrows and rails, pack them up and take them out !!
They abandoned ..... "the country is rich - we will make new ones !!" ...

The cost of incomplete capital construction of the route was estimated in 1954 at 1.800.000.000 rubles.(those full-weighted, secured with gold rubles !!!!!)

Z.Y. and this is not only the inner circle, not only the Politburo and the Central Committee, not only the General Staff and the Ministry of Internal Affairs / MGB - this is the whole country
Did anyone shoot himself while reading the speech of the National Council of Artists at the 20th congress, withdrew troops in defense of Stalin, went out to protest?
Someone shot himself in connection with the collapse of the USSR, withdrew troops to defend the USSR, went out to protest?
Having betrayed Stalin - almost the same people easily betrayed the USSR.
Che there, they say, trifles ...

[cradle]

Having betrayed Stalin - almost the same people easily betrayed the USSR.
Che there, they say, trifles ... [/ quote]
Do you have any doubts? While the IVS was alive, the USSR was alive. Without it, he simply rotted.

[your1970]

[quote = besik] Having betrayed Stalin - almost the same people easily betrayed the USSR.
Che there, they say, trifles ... [/ quote]
Do you have any doubts? While the IVS was alive, the USSR was alive. Without it, he simply rotted. [/ Quote]
And you are not afraid of such a flimsy system? her dependence on one person?

[Private89]

That literally a day came a film about Stalin

[Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: Stas157

This can be seen even in architecture

It all depends on the approach to solving a particular problem.
Stalin attracted people with rationalizing abilities, ready to create and create fantastic projects, who were not afraid to take responsibility, and applied a scientific approach to solving any problem. Now people with the ability to speak eloquently are attracted to solving the problem.

[Alexander Suvorov]

Sergey Olegovich (Sergey Olegovich)
Stalin attracted people with rationalizing abilities, ready to create and create fantastic projects, who were not afraid to take responsibility, and applied a scientific approach to solving any problem.

Sergei I fully support! There is such an expression - the retinue makes the king (sort of like Machiavelli said). So, all our greatest figures knew how to select sensible assistants for themselves. This is the environment of Peter the Great, Elizabeth Petrovna, Catherine the Great, and of course Joseph Vissarionovich. And often, these were people from the bottom, advanced thanks to talent and personal qualities. And this is characteristic not only for Russia; take the same France from the time of Napoleon.
A smart and competent leader is not afraid to surround himself with such smart assistants, at the same time, a worthless ruler in power is afraid to surround himself with smart people, because against their background this mediocrity will look faded. So let's say a striking example was Nicholas the Bloody, whose current to put it mildly, not smart people took to their shield. These include horsetail, Peter III, tagged and drunk. The result of their activities most clearly indicates their level.
By the way, the environment of the current president, too, does not shine with a special mind, hence the result, trampling in one place. So everything is natural.

[Svarog]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

By the way, the environment of the current president, too, does not shine with a special mind, hence the result, trampling in one place. So everything is natural.

Well, this is put it mildly ... but in general, in order for the mind to manifest itself in the right direction, you need to ask toughly .. But how do you ask friends from childhood, together .. and those friends still have friends ..
So familiarity, it interferes with any manager, and even more so for the president ..

[ser56]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

A smart and competent leader is not afraid to surround himself with such smart assistants, at the same time, a worthless ruler in power is afraid to surround himself with smart people, because against their background this mediocrity will look faded

if not a secret - how would you rate Khrushchev, who was in the inner circle of the ITT ...

[Alexander Suvorov]

ser56 (Sergey)
if not a secret - how would you rate Khrushchev, who was in the inner circle of the ITT ...

Khrushchev in the inner circle of Joseph Vissarionovich ?! Are you seriously? This is when he managed to enter the inner circle then? In the inner circle were Molotov, Kalinin, Kaganovich, Beria, Malenkov, but certainly not a halfwit crap. Where did you see Khrushchev present at Stalin’s meetings? This was not even shown in movies of the times of khrushch, because Stalin despised him.
Georgy Zhukov personally saved Khrushch from Stalin's anger (execution) twice, and on his execution lists sent by him from Ukraine, Stalin personally wrote "calm down cancer. "But why Stalin did not insist and did not shoot this misunderstanding, this is a great secret for me.

[ser56]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

because Stalin despised him.

But appointed head of Moscow and Secretary of the Central Committee?

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

But that is why Stalin did not insist and shot this misunderstanding, this is a great secret for me.

these were exactly what the IVS needed ...

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

Kalinin,

oh what a great man ...

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

Kaganovich

[Gene84]

Quote: ser56

if not a secret - how would you rate Khrushchev, who was in the inner circle of the ITT ...

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

why Stalin still did not insist and did not shoot this misunderstanding, this is a great mystery to me

Khrushchev made a jester of himself before Stalin and used this. Therefore, Stalin did not touch the jester, Joseph Vissarionovich was mistaken in the jester.

[ser56]

Quote: Gene84

Khrushchev was making a jester of himself before Stalin

clown in such positions?

[Alexander Suvorov]

Alexander Suvorov (Alexander Suvorov)
A smart and competent leader is not afraid to surround himself with such smart assistants, at the same time, a worthless ruler in power is afraid to surround himself with smart people, because against their background this mediocrity will look faded.

Something I do not understand, 9 (-) people do not agree with my statement? Or is it just here, personally I am so "loved" ?!

[not main]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

Something I do not understand, 9 (-) people do not agree with my statement? Or is it just here, personally I am so "loved" ?!

Yes, everything is simple! Minis just mediocrity! And how many of them got divorced? Honestly, going to power, I really want to have a weighty argument, at least the TT in the back pocket.

[Military Builder]

Yes, everything is simple! Minis just mediocrity!

minus de-stabilizers, and we have them above the roof

[ser56]

Quote: non-primary

Honestly, going to power, I really want to have a weighty argument, at least the TT in the back pocket.

your ideological predecessor has already said - when I hear the word culture. I grab the gun ...
By the way, are you not afraid that in the discussion according to your rules you will be answered on CT from AKM?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Stas157

Great Stalin led the country into the future

Now they are trying to wipe out the memory of Sialin from world history and the history of Russia. Even on the Great Victory Day, they are afraid to remember his name, the Mausoleum is draped, and the great commanders of the USSR are simply not remembered on this day. But the greatest abominations of Russia, like Gorbachev, are awarded the highest orders of the country, the memorial to Yeltsin has exceeded the Mausoleum, the top leadership brings him wreaths, and praise, even a daughter who has come from over the hill, is kissed and given birthday gifts, but the children and grandchildren of Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Nobody will even send Kozhedub a commemorative postcard .; Yesterday I spat the whole TV screen when they poured deframbo to another "guardian of Russia" Sobchak. And how to live for our children, to whom history is presented in a perverted form not by the Western media, but by our Russian ones. Or maybe I don't understand anything, the old one with a Soviet passport.

[Svarog]

Quote: tihonmarine

And how to live for our children, who are presented with a perverted history not by the Western media, but by our Russian ones. Or maybe I don’t understand anything, the old one with a Soviet passport.

Everything is right, if you distort history, and your own people, and even glorious .. nothing good can be expected in the future .. It is very important for the younger generation to give truthful information so that it does not make mistakes ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Svarog

Everything is correct, if you distort history, and your own people, and even glorious .. nothing good can be expected in the future

To go with the people to the "Immortal Regiment", but to forget the commanders of the Great Country, but they do not forget the destroyers of the country - Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Sobchak and their families.

[Serg65]

Quote: tihonmarine

Walk with the people to the "Immortal Regiment", but forget the commanders of the Great Country

What exactly have the commanders forgotten? And yes, organize a popular movement to ban the "Immortal Regiment", he's a fictional one, which means the people will support you!

[ser56]

Quote: tihonmarine

Walk with the people to the "Immortal Regiment", but forget the commanders of the Great Country,

you already and the Immortal regiment is bad?

[Serg65]

Quote: Svarog

It is very important for the young generation to give truthful information so that it does not make mistakes ..

Here with this, Vladimir, I completely agree !!! I am with two hands for the truth, whatever it may be! In the USSR there was good, there was bad, so that the young generation would not make mistakes, the bad should not be hushed up giving out only the good!
Sasmsonov, as usual, having said A, will never say B, so everything turns out to be one-sided! For example, that the construction of the "Polar Road", in a short time, in permafrost regions, was unrealistic. Everyone, including Beria, was well aware of this, but victory releases were reported to Stalin! And in order to speed up the construction, the road was built at low, lightened standards. In this regard, in the very first winter, the canvas and bridges were severely deformed! By the way, the decision to stop the construction of both the Polar Road and the Turkmen Canal was made not by Khrushchev, but by Beria, Malenkov supported Lavrentiy. As for the channel ... even its smaller version in the form of the Karakum Canal named after Lenin, caused irreparable harm to the ecology of Turkestan and Samsonov is deliberately silent about this!
So what is the TRUTH, Vladimir?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Serg65

So what is the TRUTH, Vladimir?

When Gorbachev is awarded the highest Russian awards, a memorial is erected to Yeltsin more than Lenin's, when the president himself congratulates Yeltsin's daughter and puts flowers on Sobchak, this is one truth, but when the same people walk in the column of the Immortal Regiment, it is another truth. For me, the second truth is the memory of my ancestors.

[Serg65]

Quote: tihonmarine

For me, the second truth is the memory of my ancestors.

Vlad, although it seems to me that you are still Valery, do you speak about the truth?

Quote: tihonmarine

Yeltsin erected a memorial more than Lenin

Yes, what is the problem? The communists of the whole country, who are faithful to the cause of Lenin, throw themselves in and clog mega-monument to Lenin!

Quote: tihonmarine

when the same people walk in the column of the "Immortal Regiment" it's a different truth

Am I looking at you Immortal regiment like an eyesore?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Serg65

Am I looking at you Immortal regiment like an eyesore?

For me, as for any Russian person, the "Immortal Regiment" is a memory, and I go to it, although in the country in which I live it is forbidden to do so. And this is no longer aphids, I will write again “What truth can there be among the people who lift Gorbachev, Yeltsin and the same people walking in the column of the“ Immortal Regiment. ”But you will wag your tail at these words.

[Russia]

Quote: tihonmarine

But you will wag these words like a tail.

We have "tails" for wagging historically atrafied, and you, friend, keep him grown-up and shaggy, he will go to the collar like you.

[Serg65]

Quote: tihonmarine

What truth can there be among the people who are raising Gorbachev, Yeltsin and the same people walking in the column of the Immortal Regiment

What I have not seen in the ranks of the Immortal Regiment of people praising Gorbachev. Medvedev, who awarded Mishka, was not noticed in the Immortal Regiment, at least by me. Now about Yeltsin, Yeltsin is considered the first president of the Russian Federation and nothing more! If people have a father or grandfather defended their homeland, then they are not entitled to honor their ancestors? Or do you propose to follow the path of the USSR? "Long live the leader and teacher, Comrade Stalin" - Stalin died and his loyal students immediately called Stalin a bloody tyrant, burn the portraits, confiscate the books! "Long live Comrade Khrushchev, faithful successor of Lenin's behests!" - Khrushchev was removed and immediately those who kissed Khrushchev's boots, the damned corn-maker, burn portraits, seize books! "All in the name of man, all for the good of man" .. though the people immediately came up with the continuation of this slogan .. "And I even know the name of this man" - Brezhnev died and then it started - the old senile, order-bearer-kissing, stagnation ... burn portraits, confiscate books! Those. should we become without clan, without tribe?
By the way, Valery, you perfectly play a good and evil cop and tell your second nickname that the 387th RAP did not fight in Afghanistan!

[ser56]

Quote: tihonmarine

I go to him, although in the country in which I live it is forbidden to do

you had the opportunity to choose countries after the collapse of the USSR!

Quote: tihonmarine

"What truth can there be among the people who are raising Gorbachev, Yeltsin and the same people walking in the column of the Immortal Regiment."

you mix different things! For example, I am not a supporter of Yakovlev, but he fought in the Marine Corps, unlike many talkers ....

Quote: tihonmarine

oh you will wag these words like a tail.

transition to insults speaks about your culture and lack of arguments, no more

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ser56

you had the opportunity to choose countries after the collapse of the USSR!

After talking with you, I realized that I made the right choice on 20.08.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX.

[ser56]

Quote: tihonmarine

After talking with you, I realized that I made the right choice on 20.08.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX.

A woman with a cart - the mare is easier! As for me, I am Russian and live in Russia and to the best of my ability I work for its prosperity, I bring up children!
Any foreign demagogues are not a pointer for me ...

[Russia]

Quote: tihonmarine

For me, the second truth is the memory of my ancestors.

You would bring order to your place of arrival. I look at the hero on the Russian site, and you just purr in your own backyard in Europe.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Rusland

and you just purr in your own backyard in Europe.

Yes, here, as it is quiet and there is no disorder.

[Russia]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Rusland

and you just purr in your own backyard in Europe.

Yes, here, as it is quiet and there is no disorder.

So sit in silence, live your life. One ear hung, the other on the watchman. What is an opportunist?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Rusland

What is an opportunist?

No, I just live and that's it.

[Russia]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Rusland

What is an opportunist?

No, I just live and that's it.

Drink vitamins, it’s good there.

[Russia]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Rusland

What is an opportunist?

No, I just live and that's it.

Drink vitamins, it’s good there.

[Lexus]

The worn-out record is stuck ... It's time to change, along with the full "bustle".

[astepanov]

Quote: Rusland

So sit in silence, live your life. One ear hung, the other on the watchman. What is an opportunist?

Russia, do not you think that you are openly rude and trolling? And by the way, what kind of strange nickname is Rusland? Of the Nazis, or what?

[ser56]

Quote: astepanov

Rusland, do not you think that you are openly rude and trolling?

and you did not get it foreign patriots? Who sat in satiety the whole mess of the 90s in Russia, and now we are taught from NATO!

[ser56]

Quote: tihonmarine

Even on the Great Victory Day, they are afraid to remember his name

you are from the Baltic states - we are waiting on TV for a report on a rally or demonstration organized by you in honor of the temporary detention center on May 9 ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ser56

you are from the Baltic states - we are waiting on TV for a report on a rally or demonstration organized by you in honor of the temporary detention center on May 9th.

Every May 9, we go to the Military Cemetery, and all with our photos of our fathers and grandfathers. Yes to forbid, but we went and we will go.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ser56

you kind of from the Baltic

And I am not from the Baltic states, but from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, of which I am still a citizen, I have no other citizenship.

[ser56]

Quote: tihonmarine

from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics,

there is no such country ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ser56

there is no such country ..

For you not, but I have no other. And what do you want to do.

[ser56]

Quote: tihonmarine

. And what do you want to do.

I recommend looking forward, not backward ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ser56

I recommend looking forward, not backward ...

I looked ahead, and now once again I was convinced that I did the right thing. Have a nice one you too.

[ser56]

Quote: tihonmarine

I looked ahead, and now once again I was convinced that I did the right thing.

It is your choice, someone wants to live as a master in their homeland, someone to serve the enemies of the former homeland ...

[Mestny]

Quote: Stas157

Old stalinkas are still enviable and expensive housing, and more modern Khrushchev houses are demolished.

Did everyone then live in "Stalin's"?
No, not that not all, but units.
But what about social justice in this case?
Oh yes, she was Marxist-grounded. That is, everyone deserves it. If you are a boss, or a party worker, you live in stalin. If you are a simple hard worker - you live in a communal apartment or a hut.
And do not argue (try, open your mouth)
Because a bright future of communism is being built. And this, as you know, is not at all what the dark future of capitalism is.

[Stas157]

Quote: Mestny

Is it all then lived in the "Stalin"?

In the post-war hungry years in a country destroyed by the Germans, EVERYONE could not immediately live in Stalin.

Quote: Mestny

If you are a boss, or a party worker, you live in stalin.

If earlier the authorities lived in simple stalinkas, which now no one can be surprised, now they reign in palaces with servants. All the same, there is a difference. And if earlier a hard worker could live in stalin (my wife lived there during the years of the USSR), now I have no hard worker to have palaces, yachts and planes can not.

[Serg65]

Quote: Stas157

In the post-war hungry years in a country destroyed by the Germans, EVERYONE could not immediately live in Stalin.

Have you already been restored to the country in the 70s?

[Stas157]

Quote: Serg65

Have you already been restored to the country in the 70s?

You do not take the topic to the side. The article was about Stalin's time and Khrushchev's.

[Serg65]

Quote: Stas157

You do not take the topic to the side

And I do not take away!

Quote: Stas157

In the post-war hungry years in a country destroyed by the Germans, EVERYONE could not immediately live in Stalin.

Your words? So I ask, in the 70s the country was also restored? And if not, how did it happen that, at that time, half of the city of three revolutions, the hero city of Leningrad, lived in communal apartments? I'm not talking about barracks factory towns!

[Stas157]

Quote: Serg65

Your words?

My. Where did you see a speech there about the 70s?

Quote: Serg65

So I ask, in the 70s the country was also restored?

Aw! We are talking about Stalin, and what does it have to do with the 70s, when he was already gone.

Quote: Serg65

And I do not take away!

You are now doing just that. I won’t answer anymore.

[Serg65]

Quote: Stas157

Aw! We are talking about Stalin, and what does it have to do with the 70s, when he was already gone.

Quote: Stas157

Quote: Mestny
Did everyone then live in "Stalin's"?

In the post-war hungry years in a country destroyed by the Germans, EVERYONE could not immediately live in Stalin.

Well, especially for you, I will pose the question differently ... after the restoration of the country, why did the Soviet people huddle in communal apartments and barracks ???

[SOVIET UNION 2]

And today everyone lives in separate apartments and their own houses? There are hostels and communal apartments today. And people today live in garages and in summer cottages. You might think that in the Union everyone lived poorly, but today everyone began to live richly? Is it from a good life that people today take subsidies on rent? Is it normal that there is not enough pension or salary to pay for a communal apartment?

[Serg65]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

And today everyone lives in separate apartments and their own houses?

And in the yard is that, the Soviet government? Or did the current authorities promise communism, the kissel banks and the rivers of milk?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Actually, they promised a high standard of living under capitalism. They promised that there would be no poor and everyone would be rich. They even promised two Volga! I do not know the truth wherever the second Volga was taken. If only divided by channel !?

[astepanov]

Quote: Stas157

before, a hard worker could live in Stalin (my wife lived there during the years of the USSR)

And my grandfather, a legless war invalid, lived until his death in 1982 in a house with a thatched roof and an earthen floor. Before retirement, he worked as chief accountant at MTS. Is he not a hard worker? I am under seventy, and I have never met a hard worker in my life who would have received an apartment in "Stalinka". It is possible to inherit, but received only from the "party asset". Well, maybe professors, famous artists ... Your wife's parents are teachers, doctors "from the bottom", workers? I’m sure not.

[Military Builder]

And my grandfather, a legless disabled person of war, until his death in 1982, lived in a house under a thatched roof and with an earthen floor.

I do not want to offend you, and a fond memory of your grandfather. But most likely it suited your grandfather, because the chief accountant of MTS could very well have earned on the iron roof and wooden floor

[astepanov]

Quote: War Builder

on the iron roof and wooden floor - the chief accountant of MTS could very well have earned

Honorable, you probably think that MTS is a well-known company "Mobile Telesystems", in which the salary of the chief accountant is estimated at millions. But in the sixties, MTS is a motor-tractor station, the significance of which is significant within the framework of two or three state farms. The party organizer could earn something there, and the director, and the others lived like everyone else. I remember that I went to my grandfather because my mother bought (or rather, "got it") 3 kg of sugar for him, but this load was not liftable for him without crutches, and it took three hundred kilometers and two days to go .. I was released to the village on condition that I carry sugar. And my grandfather at that time really could not afford to spend on himself, because the family was rather big. However, my father's family was not like today's numerous. I remember very well my city of that time (city of Marks, Saratov region), in which at that time almost half of the inhabitants lived in huts, and some in dugouts. And that is why tales about some "Stalinists", in which the workers allegedly lived, evoke in me a strong feeling of distrust. In subsequent years, I traveled a lot around the country, since my studies in science disposed to this. But everywhere there were barracks, and "Stalin's" - only occasionally, in units on the avenues of large cities. Moreover, on the outskirts, the barracks outstripped everything else in terms of construction volume - it is clear that they were conceived as temporary housing, but in fact remained for decades.
The same window dress was in many ways. There was a lot of good. In general, I was lucky in life, because there were amazing teachers and just kind and smart people, and in the state of lies there was much less lie than now. And yet I see no reason to portray that time as poppy-and-gingerbread, as was done in the article. And from Stalin there is no need to make Jesus Christ. He was a strong, charismatic leader, he was a bright organizer, he was a military leader who managed to break off the horns of fascist Europe - but he was a tyrant, a tyrant, and a murderer.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Stas157

Great Stalin led the country to future, limited Khrushchev slowed him down.

The listed stopped projects were not stopped by Khrushchev. and Beria, the Stalinist — and immediately after the leader’s death — in March 1953.

While many citizens in the post-war devastation lived in dugouts, huge forces and resources were spent on non-burning projects, some of which were just an illiterate adventure, the same Karakum Canal.

Immediately the capacities were transferred to the construction of housing, which grew, as a result of ... THREE TIMES!

In addition, Beria immediately stopped the case of doctors, aviation, Mingrelian, etc., amnestied almost 2 million people, brought falsiators of cases to responsibility (Ryumin, etc.), etc.

Quote: Stas157

Old stalinkas are still enviable and expensive housing, and more modern Khrushchev houses are demolished.

monumental stalinkas — the smallest percentage of housing under construction then — is a cynical window dress in a dilapidated country, a feast during the plague screaming luxury of marble and granite with marble bas-reliefs with thick plump dancing children with clumsy serene mothers to jugs of wine and sheaves. And this is in a hungry dilapidated country

Instead of a single skyscraper, you could build whole small CITY ordinary houses!

Amused the author's passage about ... "increasing the yield": for his information, the yield of the level of 1913 was already reached .. by 1956 (except 1937), as well as food intake

And this is from the materials plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU 1953

no milk, little meat. They announced the transition from socialism to communism, but we are not selling flour. And what communism without hot cakes, to put it bluntly.

Voice from the Bureau. No potatoes.

when we do not solve agricultural issues, when in the country lack of meat, lack of milk, lack of even potatoes, lack of cabbage, how is this power? .. After all, they will come to us and say: listen, dear comrades, you teach us how to build socialism, but you don’t know how to grow potatoes in your house in order to provide for your people, you do not have cabbage in the capital

[ser56]

Quote: Olgovich

Instead of a single skyscraper, you could build a whole small CITY of ordinary houses!

Yes, they did not care about the cogs ...

Quote: Olgovich

to his attention, the yield level of 1913 were able to reach already .. by 1956

on paper - he suffers everything ... in reality, they began to buy grain, only then there was no malnutrition ...

[onega67]

Khrushchev had massive construction, Stalin had a unique one !!! Under Stalin, it was impossible to solve the problem of the mass provision of housing to the population !!

[Svarog]

Quote: onega67

Under Stalin

impossible

was to solve the problem of mass housing provision !!

Under Stalin, the words -

impossible

was not .. Everything that seemed impossible turned out to be realized ..

[ser56]

Quote: Svarog

Everything that seemed impossible turned out to be realized ..

What about the price?

[Ragoz]

Khrushchev and Putin are twin brothers, two talkers.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Stas157

still enviable and expensive housing,

Well, if only they built it, then most would live in huts. Yes, and this expensive housing was not allocated to ordinary workers.

[Lexus]

Thus, Stalin led the power and the people in "Happy Tomorrow"

He had no time to compile a collection of promises to write and "please" the public with speeches.

"Perestroika-de-Stalinization", which made Russia and our people a part of the global slave system, where our place is a colony and a resource for the "chosen"

But her "heroes" from the mass media and foreign "tour trips", between body movements "at the helm", do not climb out. As a result, the "galley" floats "with the flow" into the inevitable "whirlpool", because even those "strokes" that we see are exclusively in their own pocket.

[bessmertniy]

Our "grandiose projects" have become too small today. In fact, over the past 30 years, nothing grandiose has been built for the country, although, of course, facilities worth tens of billions of rubles have been commissioned.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bessmertniy

In fact, nothing grandiose has been built for the country over the past 30 years, although

And remember how many years under Brezhnev the BAMs were buzzing, and when they built it, it was necessary to repair it. And he did not become an important highway, but somehow an appendix.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Well, how many years have modern Moscow been built! They are building so much that they are already repairing it every year. They do the roads, they carry out renovations! Will Moscow ever be completed? Or will it be an eternal construction and repair?

[Svarog]

Quote: bessmertniy

Our "grandiose projects" have become too small today. In fact, over the past 30 years, nothing grandiose has been built for the country, although, of course, facilities worth tens of billions of rubles have been commissioned.

So in the USSR every year a new city appeared .. and now every year hundreds of settlements are closed .. More than one hydroelectric station has not been built in 30 years .. although according to the plan there were already 5 of them .. and this is also an indicator, there was a plan for the development of energy , and hence the plan for the development of industry ..

[carstorm 11]

Do we have energy shortages now?

[Svarog]

Quote: carstorm 11

Do we have energy shortages now?

The fact of the matter is that industry does not develop and there is an abundance of energy .. and under the Soviet Union it was planned both the growth of industry and cities and the population grew every year .. now everything is declining ..

[carstorm 11]

how funny ... In 1913, the 7th All-Russian Electrotechnical Congress took place in Moscow, at which the first electrification plan of Russia was considered and approved, which was later called the GOELRO plan - the State Electrification of Russia. What does Stalin have to do with it?

[Svarog]

Quote: carstorm 11

how funny ... In 1913, the 7th All-Russian Electrotechnical Congress took place in Moscow, at which the first electrification plan of Russia was considered and approved, which was later called the GOELRO plan - the State Electrification of Russia. What does Stalin have to do with it?

Congresses are now regularly held .. Kurshaveli ... etc .. only there is no sense from them .. But Stalin realized all this. You don’t understand the difference between intentions and result .. The result is needed!

[carstorm 11]

about how) it means they didn’t come up with this plan and began to move it into life, but the great leader? I am not against his achievements, but damn everyone has their place

[Svarog]

Quote: carstorm 11

about how) it means they didn’t come up with this plan and began to move it into life, but the great leader?

Again twenty-five .. you can think of anything you want .. We have a guarantor invented 25 ml. jobs and where are they?

[carstorm 11]

clearly closed the topic. those who conceived it are just balabol. nothing candidate wrote apparently.

[Mestny]

Quote: carstorm 11

how funny ... In 1913, the 7th All-Russian Electrotechnical Congress took place in Moscow, at which the first electrification plan of Russia was considered and approved, which was later called the GOELRO plan - the State Electrification of Russia. What does Stalin have to do with it?

Now they will fly in, and they will violently prove that this plan was invented by Lenin, and that he also came up with a light bulb.

[carstorm 11]

I don’t even doubt it. Stalin is a great man, but damn it is necessary to have a conscience

[apro]

But did empire Russia realize this project? Have you allocated money for this? Or has it prevented someone else again?

[Serg65]

Quote: apro

or did someone interrupt again?

Quote: carstorm 11

В November 1913, XNUMX The 7th All-Russian Electrotechnical Congress was held in Moscow

I hope that in 1914 it didn’t happen to remind you, but in 1917?

[apro]

Is the congress an executive body? Or is it still advisory? What were the decisions of the executive branch on this project?

[Serg65]

Quote: apro

or recommendatory?

The GELRO plan was invented by V. Vernadsky in 1911, JSC Ruskabel was founded in 1914, at the same time a plant for the production of electric motors and generators "Dynamo" and the first in Russia factory of light bulbs "Svetlana" were launched. The energy sector in the country has been developing at a rate constantly outstripping the growth of the economy as a whole - by 20-25% per year.

The first hydroelectric power station (at that time it was called a "water-power plant") with a capacity of 700 kilowatts was built on the Caucasian river Podkumok near the city of Essentuki in 1903. The second was built by monks on the Solovetsky Islands. In 1910, under an agreement with the American concern Westinghouse, the construction of the Volkhovskaya hydroelectric power station began, the capacity of which was to reach 20 megawatts. And in 1912, many companies and banks united in a consortium for the construction of a hydroelectric power plant on the Dnieper rapids - the future Dnieper hydroelectric power station. The project was appraised by German specialists; they also proposed to lay a canal bypassing the future hydroelectric power station, which would make the Dnieper navigable. Construction with an approximate cost of 600 million gold rubles was to begin in 1915.

Here's a story, Oleg!

[apro]

A normal story. But practically the communists performed GOELRO. In somewhat worse conditions than under ria. And this project was not interesting to the ampira.

[Serg65]

Quote: apro

but practically the communists carried out GOELRO.

Those. every first world there, the revolution is actually uncountable!

Quote: apro

and the project was not interesting to the ampererator.

Of course it’s not interesting, because in the 18th year it was used up for consumption! And Lenin signed the GOELRO plan in 1920, and did not even bother to rename it, and this plan of the State Commission for Electrification of Russia remained! Notice, not the RSFSR, but Russia !!!

[Serg65]

Quote: bessmertniy

about the essence over the past 30 years nothing grandiose for the country is not built

And thank God!

[Looking for]

That's just the point. That under Stalin they remembered less God, did more

[Serg65]

Quote: Seeker

under Stalin, they remembered less God, did more

Yeah, until the German came to Moscow!

[Svarog]

Thus, Stalin led the power and the people in "Happy Tomorrow", "to the stars." Russia was a world leader in creating a just order and society, and gave mankind a real alternative to the Western project of enslaving a person. She showed how to live. Worthy of honest work, creation. The red emperor took over the “finished country” and left behind an empire superpower. However, after Stalin's death, the door to “Tomorrow” was closed for the Russians. With Khrushchev, "perestroika-de-Stalinization" began, which made Russia and our people a part of the global slave system, where our place is a colony and a resource for the "chosen".

Wonderful article, all right to the last word!

[Serg65]

Quote: Svarog

all right to the last word!

Yeah, what about your words about some TRUTH there ???

[Deniska999]

I foresee a couple of hundred comments under this article with transfusion from empty to empty.

[Horde1]

It took almost ten years to study the old branches of the former Amu Darya delta, its dry channel (Uzboy) in the direction of the Caspian and the Sarakamysh depression. Based on the results of geodetic surveys, the project was compiled: "Passing the waters of the Amu Darya river along its old channel into the Caspian Sea and the formation of a continuous water Amu Darya-Caspian route from the borders of Afghanistan along the Amu Darya, Caspian, Volga and Mariinsky systems to St. Petersburg and the Baltic Sea." However, the project was hacked, and Glukhovsky was called "crazy."

that is, the old map of Ivan Kirilov in 1732.
it is clearly seen that the Ami Darya River flows from a very small Aral Sea.

written
The position of the river, which flowed in ancient times, along which trees stand and water in places

moreover, the union is written through the Latin iota, and maybe it is not a Latin letter.

[astepanov]

Fly, minus ...
Stalin - he is everyone, and there is no need to paint him with white paint alone.
I remember how in 1965 I came to my grandfather in the village (Novo-Pokrovka in the Saratov region, read that the middle of Russia). Grandfather - a one-legged disabled person of war, worked as the chief accountant in the MTS, not the last person in the village. House under thatched roof. Earthen floor. There is no electricity. In the store - chocolate, sprats in tomato and bread (the last - every three days). The water is salty from the well, the soap in it did not foam. The gardener and the cow saved from hunger. And so they all lived. Remember Transbaikal bread? And 200 grams of semolina per child per month? This is all the legacy of Stalin. So to whom are ostentatious high-rises, and to whom - a hut under a straw with earthen floors. And there were more huts with barracks than skyscrapers. Note that this is not about the territory that the war plowed, and not about the deaf villages in the taiga or desert.
There is no need to judge the country of that time by Moscow (it is still a separate place), by the films "The Pig and the Shepherd", by the films in which the workers live in multi-room mansions. These are all Potemkin propaganda villages.
And one must speak carefully about a wonderful culture: Chaliapin was eventually forced to emigrate, like Rachmaninov, Gumilev was shot, Meyerhold, too, Many cultural figures died in prisons. For Shostakovich, Akhmatova, Prokofiev, the Sharikovs also spoiled their blood. Tupolev and Korolev embodied Stalin's "dreams of a golden age" in prisons and labor camps, but they were still lucky: Vavilov never returned from prison - like many, many others.
That’s why I am grateful to Stalin - this is for the Victory, the construction of which he led, and there is no point in looking for flaws in this work of his. And also for creating excellent education and healthcare systems.

[max702]

With all the merits of Stalin’s policy, he made a major mistake, a fundamental one! Namely, a failure in national politics .. In the USSR, absolutely everything was done by Russians, at the expense of Russians, and all internationalism was opposed to Russians .. RI, as you know, is the prison of peoples, and Russians as the main oppressors of the rest of the RI, so Ukrainization was organized, distribution republics of Russian lands (together with the population) the policy of promoting national cadres despite the incompetence thereof. An attempt to raise a Soviet man exclusively at the expense of the Russian people and led to the collapse of the project .. The Russian safety factor ran out, they were tired of living in poverty and looking at the outskirts that were eating at the expense of it, that’s all ended .. The collapse of the USSR confirmed this, as soon as the Russians built it in the national republics ended (and they themselves were robbed and kicked out) so all these entities and rolled into the Middle Ages .. The standard of living in the former republics perfectly proves who fed whom and who did everything in the USSR .. This is especially clear in Cargo and, Armenia, Tajikistan ..

[icelord]

Uh ... really, but my dad lived and even though in the USSR the Minister was Stalin, he even remembered the cannibal

[apro]

It is impossible to steal acquired skills. The ability to work, to behave in society. This can only be discounted ...
The breakthrough projects of the IVS of Stalin became over the throats of "party members" and apparatchiks. They wanted a quiet life. But this does not happen ... either forwards or on the sidelines.

[75 Sergey]

A dream was stolen from the peoples of Russia, and this was the way to "Paradise on Earth".

[Sergey Olegovich]

He was, but he was taken from the people. But not everything is lost. Elections are ahead and only we, ordinary citizens of Russia, will decide our country again along the great bright path paved by the Soviet government or go along the incomprehensible dark road of capitalism.

[DNS-a42]

Such issues are resolved by the class struggle, and not by throwing papers in the ballot box.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

He was, but he was taken from the people. But not everything is lost. Elections are ahead and only we, ordinary citizens of Russia, will decide our country again along the great bright path paved by the Soviet government or go along the incomprehensible dark road of capitalism.

Quote: DNS-a42

Such issues are resolved by the class struggle, and not by throwing papers in the ballot box.

Here, comrades, we must take into account the experience of the Chinese Communist Party, which gave ownership of the implements of production to the hands of the sharks of capitalism from countries of the decaying West. Juche’s experience is also very valuable - the burly leader of thin subjects popularizes folk art through the work of the vocal and instrumental group Moranbon, whose soloists wear belts worth the average annual income of an average working North Korea. It is impossible not to mention the experience of the class struggle of the Island of Freedom, from which, comrades, irresponsible citizens are trying, by hook or by crook, to escape into the world of profit and cleanliness, floating on fragile little boats from free domestic aspirin, given out from all diseases, to Miami. But Pasaran, Patria Muerthe, chanted after them the proletarians of Cuba! Aharay Letsanhanim, echoed by a simple Middle Eastern farmer who died in a long coma. Socialism is the bright future of mankind!

[SOVIET UNION 2]

These countries are in economic blockade. And it is not known how they would live with free trade with the world. In terms of population, the countries are small. With possible trade, they would have a weight similar to TNCs. Only the leadership of TNCs does not blame anyone for dictatorship. And what will happen if sanctions are imposed on transnational corporations? Another question is what will happen if these countries follow the path of capitalism? Does the history of the colonies say anything? Or is a banana country better than socialist Cuba? Or is there a high standard of living in all countries? But where then are there so many poor? But what can we say about small countries, even if Russia did not raise, but lower its scientific and technical level during the transition to capitalism.

[Krasnodar]

1) Yes, in blockade. How would you live with your socialism without a blockade? DPRK at the level of the poorest provinces of China, because they were nailed at the time by the termination of the supply of coal and oil to the Russian Federation at preferential prices. Cuba would sell expensive cigars and sugarcane - also not ice, but better than now. Argentina minus.
2) What happens if North Korea follows the path of capitalism? Look at the South. Cuba will rise to a normal standard of living and will fall asleep in tourism, the proximity of the United States and cheap labor. Details will be produced for John Dirov and Kadilakov
3) Of the cap.countries, I lived in three - Israel, a bit of Germany and Russia. From socialist countries only in the USSR. I like modern Russia more, the poor German has medicine and the quality of products of better quality and a greater assortment than the average Soviet person.
4) Israel from a poor country on a socialist basis (a large state sector, the almighty labor union) has become rich capitalist, despite the size and constant DB
5) The decline of Russian science after the collapse of the USSR occurred for other reasons.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Well, in China and South Korea it seems they plow 25 hours a day! What good Libya today embarked on the path of capitalism. Iraq is also democratized with Afghanistan! Is that where the details for John Deere are doing? Russia supplies raw materials. Why drown? For work round the clock and life loans?

[Krasnodar]

I used to plow in Israel 16 hours a day - and here I also have 12-13 hours a day at my computer - but what about zeros if you want to live well?
Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan - countries destroyed by the war, the first two “socialism” had conditional and oil
Would there be capitalism - did
You won’t make money without work))
It’s better not to get involved in loans - but here everyone’s business ..

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Would there be capitalism - did

Here on the outskirts of already 6 years of new capitalism. What technological niche did the outskirts occupy? Afghanistan was democratized even earlier. What technologies is it famous for today? In the EU, the division of labor. What will the DPRK and Cuba offer under capitalism? Become a brothel tourism country?

[Krasnodar]

1) And in Ukraine after 1991, was there socialism?
2) Afghanistan and socialized, and Islamized, now democratize
3) In the EU, yes. Division of labor. But - if you want to make good money, you have to plow for anyone
4) DPRK - if China plows to the West, DPRK will plow to China. Cheap rabsila for the domestic segment of the middle class consumer and below. Gaster, builders. In any case, they will live better than today. Cuba - the cheap labor and proximity of the States will turn this country into a tourist, agricultural and industrial - working for the most powerful consumer market on the planet.

[Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: DNS-a42

Such issues are resolved by the class struggle, and not by throwing papers in the ballot box.

Dear DNS-a-42, let me ask you, do you go to the polls or not? I will explain my question, only about 2016% of voters came to vote in the State Duma elections in 47.9. At the presidential elections, the turnout was 67.47%. The rest did not come. Likely reasons: a) everything is decided without me, it makes no sense to vote. But why did they decide that everything was decided? b) my hut from the edge, as they decide without me it will be so. Now let's think about what happened if everyone came? How many communists could gain votes? No one can answer this, they can only sneak.
Your remark about throwing pieces of paper in the ballot box can be called sabotage in relation to the communist movement. On the contrary, you should contribute with your comments to convince people to participate in elections by voting for the Communists.

[DNS-a42]

He went and voted many times. Do not overestimate the importance of parliament, he can give the Communists nothing but a platform for agitation. In the elections, it is decided which member of the ruling class will suppress, crush the people in parliament - that is the real essence of bourgeois parliamentarism.

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

On the contrary, you should contribute with your comments to convince people to participate in elections by voting for Communists

Real communists know that the bourgeoisie holds elections for themselves and only for themselves.

"Only scoundrels or fools can think that the proletariat must first win the majority in elections carried out under the yoke of the bourgeoisie, under the yoke of wage slavery, and then must conquer power. This is the height of stupidity or hypocrisy, this is the replacement of class struggle and revolution with votes under the old system , under the old regime. " - Lenin V.I.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

Quote: DNS-a42

Such issues are resolved by the class struggle, and not by throwing papers in the ballot box.

Dear DNS-a-42, let me ask you, do you go to the polls or not? I will explain my question, only about 2016% of voters came to vote in the State Duma elections in 47.9. At the presidential elections, the turnout was 67.47%. The rest did not come. Likely reasons: a) everything is decided without me, it makes no sense to vote. But why did they decide that everything was decided? b) my hut from the edge, as they decide without me it will be so. Now let's think about what happened if everyone came? How many communists could gain votes? No one can answer this, they can only sneak.
Your remark about throwing pieces of paper in the ballot box can be called sabotage in relation to the communist movement. On the contrary, you should contribute with your comments to convince people to participate in elections by voting for the Communists.

The biggest harm to the communist movement in the Russian Federation is G.A. Zyuganov and comrades at the head of the party. If at the head there were such leaders as in Ulyanovsk, maybe the struggle would continue. And so, zilch and the appearance of a struggle. For which V.V. Putin awards orders Zyuganov. Zyuganov will hand over all, how many will not vote for him (or the Communist Party), in bulk. He is a traitor, an opportunist and a defeatist. Because it is kept at the head of the Communist Party. Correctly DNS-a-42 wrote that a real fight is needed. But where is that struggle and where is the Communist Party (under the leadership of Zyuganov), they do not intersect. How do I vote? Of course, for the Communist Party, but not for the party as such, but for the leftist idea. And as soon as a real, capable new left party appears, I will immediately vote for it, and not for the impotent Communist Party. And yes, modern elections in the Russian Federation, this is a farce. Elections will not solve anything. Because the same Communist Party is not ready to really fight against fraud in these same elections. There was such an attempt at the elections in Primorye, as I understand it, the local initiative was more active, but they were safely quickly merged in the repeat elections. And from the Communist Party further silence.

[Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: Leshy1975

If at the head were such leaders as in Ulyanovsk

In Ulyanovsk, the Communists came as a result of just the same elections. The people in the city of Ulyanovsk voted for the Communist Party. Something like that...

[1970mk]

SICK PEOPLE! Which Communist Party? Zyuganov? Orthodox communist who says that Jesus was the first communist? Zyuganov who accepts awards from Putin? Anyone who drools for decades about the anti-people regime? FUNNY!
By the way ... how is it in Ulyanovsk? Healed right away?

[Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: 1970mk

SICK PEOPLE!

Do you understand that you are now insulting at least 19 million people of Russian citizens?

Quote: 1970mk

Orthodox communist who says that Jesus was the first communist?

He spoke of philosophical doctrine.

Quote: 1970mk

Zyuganov who accepts awards from Putin? Anyone who drools for decades about the anti-people regime?

Zyuganov statesman.

[1970mk]

Criminal State activist ... collaborating with, as he calls them, an anti-people regime ...

[1970mk]

By the way, your favorite comrade Stalin Zyuganov and hedgehog with him would instantly identify to the wall ..

[SOVIET UNION 2]

But was Jesus Christ the first capitalist? In general, for what values ​​did Christ drown? What kind of relationship did he call for? To commodity-money?

[your1970]

Quote: 1970mk

By the way ... how is it in Ulyanovsk? Healed right away?

-In general, they live well. Better than in Saratov ....

[DNS-a42]

So what? They raised the question of public ownership of the means of production? Or are they just playing social democrats?

Take an interest in the fate of Salvador Allende, who won the bourgeois elections. Could "Comrade President" build socialism while maintaining the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie?

[Sergey Olegovich]

You are just a provocateur. You pretend to be a communist movement, and with your calls you kill the entire movement of the left forces.

[DNS-a42]

It is necessary to drive out such leftist forces that declare socialism without public ownership of the means of production and with the preservation of the power of the oligarchy.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: DNS-a42

So what? They raised the question of public ownership of the means of production? Or are they just playing social democrats?

Take an interest in the fate of Salvador Allende, who won the bourgeois elections. Could "Comrade President" build socialism while maintaining the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie?

Comrade Allende killed the livestock and agriculture of his country, before Pinochet’s coup, inflation reached 300% due to falling world prices for copper, due to which Comrade Allende hoped to pull out social reform, there was no money for resuscitation of the economy he had destroyed, and the nationalization of American companies brought down the country's currency.

[DNS-a42]

A good example for those who want to try to reform capitalism into socialism and play bourgeois democracy with capital. The economic collapse and the fascist dictatorship are a natural ending.

[Krasnodar]

The economic collapse occurred as a result of Allende's reforms, because of him and his socialism. )))
Today, capitalist Chile has the highest PPP per capita income in Latin America and is a developed country. It is fortunate that Pinochet stopped the socialists in time, preventing them from finishing off the country.

[DNS-a42]

What else could happen? Property is private, the state is capitalist. Any reforms towards socialism are impossible.

Last year, the Chilean capitalist bubble of well-being began to deflate.

Yes, we also cannot forget the successes of the previous Austrian savior from the socialists and his Italian friend.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: DNS-a42

What else could happen? Property is private, the state is capitalist. Any reforms towards socialism are impossible.

Last year, the Chilean capitalist bubble of well-being began to deflate.

Yes, we also cannot forget the successes of the previous Austrian savior from the socialists and his Italian friend.

Oh
1) In Chile, before Allende was normal, when Allende became ill.
2) How did the socialist reforms of the USSR end? We all remember
3) Hitler was NATIONAL SOCIALIST
Duce was quite tolerant of the Bolsheviks, just then it did not grow together

[DNS-a42]

1) The truth is not at all because of him.
2) Creation of a superpower. But then, when market reforms began, the current Russian Federation came out.
3) And if he were called a liberal, as he originally wanted, would he cease to be a fascist and become a model democrat? Only completely illiterate people can consider Hitler a socialist.
4) When the question of ownership arises, then any pseudo-equity turns into a seasoned right. Duce is no exception.

[Krasnodar]

1) How is it not because of him? Agricultural reforms that killed the industry, whose were? Nationalization of factories with foreign capital - whose initiative was this? Hoping to pop out the fall of copper - so it fell in price - the only thing that happened was not his fault
2) The sense from that superpower - the top of the Communist Party - wanted to transfer from the Volga to Mercedes, instead of special clinics for public servants to be treated in Sharit and Suraski - that’s why they privatized public (socialist) property. True, giving thereby ordinary people the opportunity to sit on the geldings, to be treated in Germany and Israel
3) He was a fascist and died)). But national - socialism is that?
4) I agree, for any

[DNS-a42]

1) Agricultural reforms carried out without collectivization, and nationalization in favor of the cap. states could only end in failure. There were problems in the economy, there was a request from society for changes, but left-wing reforms under capitalism can only be half-hearted and nominal. The fault of Allende is only that he generally took up such a disastrous business, thereby substituting himself and his supporters with a fascist bayonet.
2) It happens when the lower classes stop the class struggle. They threw off capitalism, decided that a rollback was impossible and that it was no longer necessary to fight ... Wrong.
Cured a lot? Hopefully more than the unwritten victims of the market.
3) Fascism itself is a direct terrorist dictatorship of the financial oligarchy. But Nazism is a form of fascism, but with a much stronger bias towards chauvinism.

[Krasnodar]

1) For the implementation of revolutionary reforms, he did not have the support of the majority of the population - and even then, the country because of these experiments was put on the brink of GV before the coup
2) Rather, they wanted to live like the sharks of capitalism. How many have cured anyone? If there are more cancer patients in clinics in Israel and Germany, then more than in the Union. If you are about the population abandoned by the new owners of life from the ranks of the former communists, the victims were enormous
3) Fascism and the financial oligarchy are not related to each other, Nazism is a form of socialism, where instead of the class struggle there is a racial one. In this case, the right of private ownership of the implements of production is allowed, however, owners of private enterprises are obliged to create normal working conditions for their workers (of the correct national origin, of course)

[DNS-a42]

1) Revolutionary reforms are impossible without revolution.
2) What was required to prove. In the first case, the victims are minimal and temporary (before the improvement of local medicine), and in the second - large-scale and long-term.
3) Yeah, yeah. The Krupps are famous socialists, not oligarchs. And privatization, of course, is an exclusively socialist phenomenon. Fascist "philosophers" perfectly recognized the identity of Nazism and fascism (for example, the beacon of modern Russian thought, Ilyin), and no matter how modern anti-communists try to separate one from the other, it will not work.

Fascism is ordinary imperialism without a democratic screen. The economic basis of Nazi Germany was no different from the basis of the United States or England, but the latter were not fascist countries.

If there is private ownership of the means of production, then this is not socialism, but capitalism. And there is no middle here. By the way, the class struggle is not at all the prerogative of socialism, it is open to bourgeois leaders.

[Krasnodar]

1) Probably so
2) Yes, and local medicine is inferior to German and Israeli - less than Soviet medicine was inferior to them and not in everything, but nonetheless
3) Krupp, the owners of Lufthansa, Rockefeller, Ford - supported Hitler to the peak of Telman and the popularity of communist ideas among intellectuals and the proletariat
A socialist phenomenon is nationalization, which Hitler also did))
4) The fascist philosophers of the 30s recognized the identity with their insanity of any ideology of a political group that was beneficial to them - Mussolini tried to flirt with the Bolsheviks, then with the right Zionists, but his mutual love happened only with Aloizych
5) This is not the same thing - the National Socialists and Fascists are very different - the latter do not have a stove for brines of superiority
6) Economic - was similar to the USA during the Great Depression, social - was very different.
With Britons - nothing in common
7) The workers of the Soviet artels did not have ownership of the instruments of production? Do hairdressers 30-40's? Do shoemakers? )))
8) The class struggle is the prerogative of the communists.

[DNS-a42]

2) However, now access to local medicine has seriously decreased and continues to decline. "No money - die under the fence."
3) That's it. The bourgeoisie supported the bourgeois leader, for he would not put and would not put on the agenda the issue of private property.
It turns out that Peter 1, who nationalized the property of the Russian Orthodox Church, was a real socialist. What a twist. You are so under Hitler can even bring half the medieval rulers.
4) That's right, one fascist was drawn to another fascist.
5) The Nazis are talking about national superiority, but the Nazis brought this superiority to a pseudoscientific level, turning it into racial superiority.
6) How is this nothing to do? Three dominant ways: small-scale, private-capitalist, state-capitalist. Was there really socialism in England?
7) Artels were collective property, not private. A small inventory could well remain in personal ownership. This is an ordinary small business, which has a very distant relationship with capitalism.
8) Class struggle is the prerogative of any class society. The bourgeois perfectly declared the class struggle, struggling with the feudal lords, and now, when it was already their power, they fell into the negative (in words).

[Krasnodar]

2) No way - during a heart attack I was taken to the Territory without any agreement and a stent was placed normally. I escaped from the hospital myself - they wanted me to lie there for more than two weeks, they stuffed me with expensive medicines for free (the same Brilinta - 5 thousand rubles a pack for a month) and tried to breathe in a sanatorium (for free). So die under the fence - fairy tales.
3) Hitler nationalized a lot of things, improved the living conditions of workers (of the right race), conditions of rest, treatment, gave them a social network that was never seen before - public pools for children for free, spa holidays for the proletariat, etc.
Not to mention Roosevelt's state-sponsored projects.
4) And before that, it was drawn to the Bolsheviks and Zionists
5) The fascists are talking about the priorities of the country, then society, then the nation, then the individual. The Nazis - the country, nation, society, individual of the correct nationality.
6) So you make a distinction between large and small means of production? )))
7) The class struggle in modern cap. The countries were leveled by an equal opportunity society - the USA, Sweden, Germany, Israel, etc.

[DNS-a42]

2) I know from personal experience how sad things are for diabetics with the availability of insulin. Help is purely nominal. In other areas, the situation is not much better.
3) Is Roosevelt also a socialist? They did not answer about Peter, is Peter's nationalization a socialist phenomenon?
4) But he ended up in a coalition of Nazi brothers.
5) Yeah, yeah. What were the interests of Italians in North Africa besides the interests of Italian finance capital?
This "correct nationality" changed along with the interests of German finance capital. The corporatist state was observed in all cases of fascism and Nazism.
6) Large-scale serial production and home screwdriver assembly are fundamentally different things.
7) When in France the bourgeoisie announces a pension reform, and the working people in every possible way oppose its implementation, then this is a class struggle. Subdued, "peaceful", but a struggle.

[Krasnodar]

2) In cardiology, cardiac surgery, vascular surgery, all the rules. Hospitalization conditions - well, but it is long - in the West for several days and last.
3) Roosevelt was not a socialist - he gave people jobs during the crisis, reducing unemployment. In Peter it was an expropriation, then the separation of the church from the state)).
4) He found himself in a coalition with the Nazis - the only ones with whom his interests coincided
5) Populism is a small victorious war, a return to the borders of the Roman Empire. The right nationality of the Italian fascists appeared under pressure from Germany in the late 30s, without any connection with capital.
6) I agree - that does not cancel the existence of private ownership of the means of production of the times of the Leninist-Stalinist period of the USSR)).
7) Unless in France, occasionally

[Pilat2009]

Quote: DNS-a42

Could "Comrade President" build socialism while maintaining the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie?

There is a lot of publicity about Allende. In fact, he drove the country into such an ass, that there’s nowhere to go

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Or maybe the voting system has become obsolete and is an anachronism? Who do we vote for if you think about it? For professionals in their field or for storytellers who promise fulfillment of desires? What is the situation? There is a meeting. To the position of the head of the workshop are three masters nominated who have success in their work or three star-ball fans from the street promising fulfillment of desires? So far, we have not seen candidates for masters with success in their work. But the star-tellers are constantly going to the polls. By and large, we have no elections. No one to choose from! If we take the situation with the army, they don’t put a soldier as a general in the same election! And when a general is appointed to a post, senior management selects a candidate from the generals based on the results of activities, and not according to the speeches of all who wish to take this post. I think if real elections are held, then we must choose from real candidates who have appeared on a specific job and have shown concrete results.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

Likely reasons: a) everything is decided without me, it makes no sense to vote. But why did they decide that everything was decided? b) my hut from the edge, as they decide without me it will be so.

there is another option "suits everything", but you do not like it !!

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

Now let's think about what happened if everyone came? How many communists could gain votes?

then they could score even less !!

[Looking for]

absolutely right!!!!

[Ragoz]

DNS-a42:
Industry is almost completely destroyed, therefore there is no longer a working class, and therefore a class struggle.

[DNS-a42]

There are much more classical proletarians in the Russian Federation than there were in RI. The working class has not disappeared, but only changed in composition.

[75 Sergey]

Elections, are you laughing?
Remember rifle butts and golden gates saying?

[Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: 75Sergey

Remember rifle butts and golden gates saying?

Are you a supporter of the communist movement? If so, then you should be ashamed of ignorance of the works and works of V.I. Lenin. Lenin never said this phrase anywhere, and in no one of his works does such a phrase exist.

Quote: 75Sergey

Elections, are you laughing?

No, I don’t laugh, I’m speaking seriously, only through fair elections.

[1970mk]

you should be ashamed of ignorance of the works and works of V.I. Lenin.

Do you know? In his MSS, there is no case that "it would be nice to shoot a couple of hundreds of townspeople for the edification" and a lot of that?

[Looking for]

This is a phrase. If it exists. It is relevant to date.

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: 1970mk

Do you know? In his MSS, there is no case that "it would be nice to shoot a couple of hundreds of townspeople for the edification" and a lot of that?

read it yourself? or so, here and there. Decided to fuss? It is necessary to read and understand Lenin, and not to pull out phrases from his works.

[1970mk]

“... I temporarily advise you to appoint your bosses and shoot conspirators and hesitant, without asking anyone and avoiding idiotic red tape ...”
(Lenin, PSS, t. 50, p. 165).
Charge Sklyansky, Markov, Petrovsky and Dzerzhinsky to immediately arrest several members of the executive committees and comedians in areas where snow clearance is not entirely satisfactory. In the same areas, take hostages from the peasants so that if snow is not cleared, they will be shot. A performance report with information on the number of arrestees to appoint in a week. ”
(V.I. Lenin and Cheka, 1975, p. 152-153).
“... Ending Yudenich (namely ending - finishing off) is devilishly important for us. If the offensive has begun, is it possible to mobilize another 20 thousand St. Petersburg workers plus 10 thousand bourgeois, put machine guns behind them, shoot several hundred [5] and achieve real mass pressure on Yudenich ... "
(V.I. Lenin. Unknown documents .., 1999, p. 304).
“... a wonderful plan! Finish it with Dzerzhinsky. Under the guise of "green" (we will later dump them) we will go 10-20 versts and outweigh the kulaks, priests, landowners. Bonus: 100 000 r for the hanged man "
(V.I. Lenin. Unknown documents .., 1999, p. 400)
Hang (certainly hang, so that people can see) at least 100 notorious kulaks, rich men, bloodsuckers.
(Latyshev A.G. Declassified Lenin. M., 1996. P. 57. A hanging telegram was first published in November 1991 by the RSAASP. F. 2. Op. 1. D. 6898.)
... I advise you to appoint your bosses and shoot conspirators and hesitant, without asking anyone and not allowing idiotic red tape. ”
(Lenin V.I. Poln. Sobr. Op. T. 50. P. 165. It should be noted that the Red Terror was declared on September 2, 1918, but in reality it was unleashed before the announcement, before the assassination attempt on Lenin on August 30, 1918. and was not a response to the assassination attempt.)

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: 1970mk

Lenin, PSS, vol. 50, p. 165

We take volume 50 of the Complete Works of V.I. Lenin, open page 165, read:

TELEGRAMS A.K. PAIKESU. AUGUST 22, 1918 165
At 20 rubles per pud de merchants offer to flood Moscow. Sell-de from hand to hand at 28 rubles (petty trade), etc.
How do you feel about the appointment of an audit?
and for inclusion in the commission Bonch-Bruevich?
170
Written in August, previously 22,
November 1918, XNUMX
First published in 1933.
in Lenin's collection XXI
Manuscript printed
302
TELEGRAMS A.K. PAIKESU *
1
Saratov, Paykesu
I will now talk on the phone with the military about all your requirements171. I temporarily advise you to appoint your bosses and shoot conspirators and hesitant, without asking anyone and not allowing idiotic red tape. And to get
either wait for a response from me by telegraph, or set up the duty in turn, or
set the time in an hour or two. Answer.
Lenin
2
Saratov, Paykesu
Now I’ve talked with Aralov. Everything is already being done, he said, to send you
shells. Loading starts today, so it should end in 2-3 days. Act vigorously against the fists.
Lenin
Written on August 22, 1918
First published in 1931.
in Lenin's collection XVIII
Manuscript printed

Turns out you're just a liar.
Go on the Internet you collect all sorts of stories.
The rest did not even look.

[Gene84]

Quote: 1970mk

Do you know? In his MSS, there is no case that "it would be nice to shoot a couple of hundreds of townspeople for the edification" and a lot of that

There is. And what do you mean by that? What views are you yourself? From foreign "Europeans" offended by the Soviet regime?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Changing modes does not always happen with rifles. It is very effective to change modes using a donkey loaded with gold.

[Doctor]

Elections are ahead and only we, ordinary citizens of Russia will decide our country again along the great bright path

Tell me, for whom to vote in the "election", so that the light?

[kalibr]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

He was, but he was taken from the people.

Why are you holding onto paradise so weak? Or was he not so heavenly? Usually what is expensive is held tight.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Well, capitalism is what you need !? Only on the outskirts in the 14th year he found himself in the wrong system and voted for a new capitalism.

[kalibr]

You are arguing incorrectly. Actually there are two ISMs and both - they are decent shit! But one shit fell apart and the other did not. So you need to learn how to live in this shit. It pays you a salary, pensions, somehow supplies hot water ... Or you are satisfied with the absence of all this, shots on the street, and a stove-stove for heating.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Well, this shit is constantly shaking, it does not provide a normal standard of living and does not give any guarantees! This ISM is like a thin trough! There are constant problems in it! Built shops. dumps appeared. Cars sold, traffic jams appeared. Produced goods, overproduction crisis and disposal problem. The rich appeared, the dominance of the poor. Will the shots start on the street and the stove-potbelly stove is it about today?

[kalibr]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

stove-potbelly stove is it about today?

I personally have central heating, but I don’t know how you do it. But you definitely have a computer. If you need it so much that you have a stove, why do you need a computer?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

I didn’t say anything to myself. But a lot of people are stoked with wood.

[kalibr]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

This ISM is like a thin trough! There are constant problems in it!

Yes, but he exists, and that other died ... And the prophet Ecclesiastes says: a living dog is better than a dead lion!

[Snail N9]

Something tells me that the builders of all this "paradise on earth" .... well, let's just say, they were already preparing for the "case of doctors", "the Leningrad case", "the case of cosmopolitans", "trophy case", "the case of servility in front of the West "and other" affairs "that would grow even more, according to the number of required personnel for the construction of" paradise ".

[Aviator_]

"the case of doctors", "the Leningrad affair", "the case of the cosmopolitans", the "trophy case", "the case of servility before the West" and other "cases"

These were the last regular cleanings of the party apparatus and other high-ranking senior officials who were bothered. In 1953 they ceased, the result is obvious. Any garden requires regular weeding.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Aviator_

These were the last regular cleanings of the appliance

the leading doctors are ... party apparatchiks ?!

You this golem RAVE themselves read? :

TASS report on the arrest of pest doctors

Published in the newspaper Pravda No. 13 (12581) and other central newspapers on January 13, 1953.

PEST DOCTOR GROUP ARREST

Some time ago, state security agencies uncovered a terrorist group of doctors who set out toby using harmful treatment to shorten the life of active figures in the Soviet Union.

Among the participants in this terrorist group were: Professor M. Vovsi, general practitioner; Professor Vinogradov V.N., general practitioner; Professor Kogan M. B., general practitioner; Professor Kogan B. B., general practitioner; Professor Egorov P. I., general practitioner; Professor A. Feldman, otolaryngologist; Professor Etinger J. G., general practitioner; Professor A. Greenstein, neuropathologist; Mayorov G.I., general practitioner.

Documentary data, studies, conclusions of medical experts and confessions of those arrested found that criminals, being hidden enemies of the people, carried out harmful treatment of patients and undermined their health.

The investigation established that the members of the terrorist group, using their position as doctors and abusing the trust of patients, deliberately villainously undermined the health of the latter, deliberately ignored the data of an objective study of patients, made them incorrect diagnoses that did not correspond to the actual nature of their diseases, and then improper treatment destroyed them.

The criminals admitted that, taking advantage of the illness of comrade A. A. Zhdanov, they incorrectly diagnosed his disease, hiding his existing myocardial infarction, prescribed a regimen contraindicated for this serious disease, and thereby killed comrade A. A. Zhdanov. The investigation established that the criminals also shortened the life of comrade A. S. Shcherbakov, improperly used potent drugs in his treatment, established a regimen detrimental to him and brought him this way to death.

Doctors criminals tried first of all to undermine the health of Soviet leading military personnel, disable them and weaken the country's defense. They tried to disable Marshal A. Vasilevsky, Marshal L. Govorov, Marshal I. Konev, Army General S. Shtemenko, Admiral G. Levchenko.. and others, however, the arrest upset their villainous plans, and the criminals failed to achieve their goal.

It has been established that all these killer doctors who have become monsters of the human race, trampled on the sacred banner of science and defiled the honor of scientists, were in the hired agents of foreign intelligence.

In a normal head - SUCH - can be born?
WHERE else in the world SUCH it was?

[ser56]

Quote: Olgovich

DE still in the world SUCH it was?

there were medical errors in the world

[Looking for]

Do you think that a dozen snickering Jews is a big loss. for the state?

[Serg65]

Quote: Seeker

Do you think that a dozen snickering Jews is a big loss. for the state?

Alexander, are you a fascist?

[Xnumx vis]

The main thing for the characters of that time was "Knock, not knock!" So they scribbled denunciations against each other , just not to fall under the "fair paw of the red emperor" Red from the blood Russian people!

[Uncle lee]

Progress, however ...

[Svarog]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Progress, however ...

So Stalin wanted to introduce a 4-day working week, and on Friday to devote to the cultural development of citizens .. He strove for the people to be literate and educated ..

[1970mk]

It is possible in more detail ... what kind of village is it? About everything?

[Uncle lee]

Quote: 1970mk

In more detail it is possible

You can ... g. Kholmsk, the Oktyabr cinema became a church ... In another, empty building, a Catholic parish was built, but the priest gave a bribe and this case was closed and he was evicted to Korea ...

[Uncle lee]

Michael! Anti-Soviet - Russophobe and traitor of the motherland!

[1970mk]

Oh, how are you .... So how, a devoted Stalinist, to plow for free then? starving ... Or do not want to?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

What is the level of payment today? In 2018, the salary was 33 thousand, and in 2019 it became 45 thousand? It is not clear how people with such a salary are not enough for a communal apartment. Tell me better about modern life and opportunities!

[your1970]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

In 2018, the salary was 33 thousand, and in 2019 it became 45 thousand? It is not clear how people with such a salary are not enough for a communal apartment.

- I’m embarrassed to ask what is the area of ​​apartments of these people who do not have enough for a communal apartment with these s / n ??? 250-300-500 sq m. ???
The average treshka consumes a maximum of 5000 per month ....

[SOVIET UNION 2]

5 thousand is the minimum for Khrushchev kopeck piece. If you live in a two-story building then you will have 5 thousand for heating.

[your1970]

Dvushka - 2600 ....
with heating, overhaul, garbage, light gas and others.

Without Internet - depending on the tariff, there may be 10

How much do you manage to burn electricity, what do you have in 2000 gas and water comes into the world ????
The five we have comes from a neighbor - who combined the kopeck piece with the odnushkots .. in three-ruble coins - five is the upper bar

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Well, you and the storyteller! 2600 for kopeck piece! This is for a panel odnushka! For kopeck piece 5-8, depending on the size of the family. Golden dormitories for housing and communal services. I myself am getting sick from our services! Especially the heating. Light is only 5 rubles kW (4,96).

[your1970]

scan your receipt?
Or do you have a counter and everything is all according to footage and heads?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

I believe. Housing and utilities prices are different for everyone. There are no meters for heating. Well, except maybe the entrance to the house.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: your1970

The average treshka consumes a maximum of 5000 per month ....

you counted too much !!! somewhere around 2500 !!

[your1970]

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: your1970

The average treshka consumes a maximum of 5000 per month ....

you counted too much !!! somewhere around 2500 !!

- this not я ....this is Y

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

5 thousand this is at least for Khrushchev kopeck piece. If you live in a two-story building, then you will have 5 thousand for heating.

out

I have

Quote: your1970

Dvushka - 2600 ....
with heating, overhaul, garbage, light gas and others.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: your1970

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: your1970

The average treshka consumes a maximum of 5000 per month ....

you counted too much !!! somewhere around 2500 !!

- this not я ....this is Y

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

5 thousand this is at least for Khrushchev kopeck piece. If you live in a two-story building, then you will have 5 thousand for heating.

out

I have

Quote: your1970

Dvushka - 2600 ....
with heating, overhaul, garbage, light gas and others.

you kind of said that it goes up to 5 thousand rubles ... I talked about this ... at least in our 300th city !!!

[your1970]

You read did not try ????

Quote: your1970

The five we have comes from a neighbor who combined kopeck piece with odnushka ..trashka - five top strap

- the neighbor pays for TWO apartments, the upper bar in treshki-in new buildings where 70 and even 100 meters
This is Y

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

5 thousand it minimum for Khrushchev kopeck piece. If you live in a two-story building, then you will have 5 thousand for heating.

Would you even look for a start-who and what to write ???

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: your1970

Have you tried reading ????

tried ... does not go for a treshka 5 thousand ... in our city !!!

[your1970]

You got it already - all the claims to the Soviet Union2 is that he pays 5000 for TWO

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: your1970

You got it already - all the claims to the Soviet Union2 is that he pays 5000 for TWO

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

you counted too much !!! somewhere around 2500 !!

What city do you live in? In Yekaterinburg, an euro-girl in a new house of 40 sq. M total-3500 in winter, 2600 in summer. Treshka more than 5000

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

you counted too much !!! somewhere around 2500 !!

What city do you live in? In Yekaterinburg, an euro-girl in a new house of 40 sq. M total-3500 in winter, 2600 in summer. Treshka more than 5000

in Vladikavkaz !!

[Uncle lee]

Michael! You do not poke me! Still young ... And I plowed where you would have died on the third day! And yes, I am a Stalinist and Leninist, and YOU are a Chubais and Yeltsin.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

During the war, collective farmers bought tanks and planes for the army for workdays? In the 80s in the village, boys bought mopeds and motorcycles. Is this probably all from a bad life? Who today bought a tank or an airplane from a good life?

[1970mk]

RAVE Stop it! So that you live like them then .....
Grass tales about what a standard of living was in Durkee ..

[Looking for]

I’ll give another example, 30 years old. Before (2000) the Palace of Culture was framed by a forged lattice. Over the course of the year, it was changed to a faceless fence. And the highly artistic lattice became the fence of some new-built cathedral.

[Serg65]

Quote: Seeker

I will give another example

Alaverdi with an example ....

The metro stations "Kropotkinskaya" and "Okhotny Ryad" were laid out with marble from the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, the stations "Novokuznetskaya" were decorated with benches. Some of the slabs with the names of the heroes of the Patriotic War of 1812 were crumbled and sprinkled on paths in Moscow parks, and some were used to decorate city buildings.

An old, wise saying, "you reap what you sow"

[pmkemcity]

It’s impossible to steal a dream!

Quote: 75Sergey

A dream was stolen from the peoples of Russia, and this was the way to "Paradise on Earth".

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 75Sergey

because it was the path to "Heaven on Earth"

I won’t say anything about paradise, but now, no Western schiza in her fetid media would have been afraid to open their mouths to Russia under pain of death.

[Amur]

Good and correctly written!
I support for all 100%

[Avior]

The author does not know why the projects were closed?
There was plenty of construction work after the war in the country, and without it, there was no need for people to go to the North and other inaccessible places, and there, in order to attract labor, pay more for civilian workers than in other places, which projects became much more expensive, and the main source of low-cost labor for these projects, the GULAG, was greatly reduced in 1953, a large amnesty was announced, the prison population decreased from 27 million to 1953 million, and then fell steadily, by 2,5 it was already less more than a million prisoners, so it is not surprising that these projects had to be stopped - there was no one to build

[Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: Avior

it is not surprising that these projects had to be stopped - there was no one to build

Only construction in the USSR after the dissolution of the Gulag did not decrease, on the contrary increased. The construction of nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power stations, BAM and other national economy facilities.

[Dur_mod]

The country still lived in dugouts after the war, which stalinkas were massive, the Khrushchevs were salvation at one time, people got massive and quick-built housing. Yes, there’s still devastation everywhere, but we will invest in the north and the Far East, essentially money down the drain, in a hypothetical war in the north, the leadership of the USSR clearly did not believe if there were any extra money or a quick return on investment, like oil and gas, then yes. And so, billions of money thrown into the wind, in conditions when the European part of the Union still lives in dugouts, there are not enough male hands, but let's invest in the north, when the house is still devastated.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dur_mod

Yes, there is still devastation everywhere, but we will invest in the north and the far east, in fact, money wasted, the leadership of the USSR clearly did not believe in a hypothetical war in the north

And now it's too late to "drink Borjomi". The development of reserves, the arrangement of settlements, the export of minerals from the North without railways is not possible.

[Aviator_]

Billions of money thrown to the wind - this is Khrushchev's virgin land. And literally to the wind - soil erosion reached unprecedented proportions, until they switched to new agricultural technology.

[nov_tech.vrn]

To begin with, take an interest in the construction of the Khrushchevs, the commissioning of housing after they switched to their construction immediately fell and noticeably. About money down the drain, we already listened at the end of the 80s, then the whole country was uploaded.

[Avior]

I took an interest.

According to the pace of construction after 1956, the Soviet Union came out on top in the world, and every fourth family received a new apartment [31]. The press of those years wrote that from 1956 to 1963 the national housing stock grew almost 2 times - from 640 to 1 million m², that is, more housing was built in the USSR over the period than in the previous 184 years [40]

Do you have other numbers? You can give a link, as it is usually believed that it was during this period that people massively moved from barracks and communal apartments to apartments, would it be interesting to read a different opinion?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Avior

as it is usually believed that it was during this period that people massively switched from barracks and communal apartments to apartments

And so it is: since 1955, the housing construction has grown THREE TIMES! and this achieved level was maintained further.

[ser56]

Quote: Olgovich

the level was maintained further

and long surpassed in the Russian Federation ....

[nov_tech.vrn]

you are lazy and not curious, there are numbers, I’ll look for them, maybe I’ll explain how your

[Avior]

What am I writing about.
The construction in the USSR was carried out in large volumes, there was something to build in less difficult and difficult to build places, moreover, expensive for construction. In 1953, the number of builders fell precisely for hard-to-reach and difficult places, so some of the projects were closed, but the construction itself continued, just changed priorities.

[bessmertniy]

This number of prisoners decreased, and the country's population grew. And those who worked in the North at that time received a much more decent salary than today. The fact is that with the death of Stalin, the political will weakened in the country, which is urgently needed in the implementation of tasks that are widespread for the country. On the other hand, priorities have also changed. Unfortunately, in our country each new head of state acknowledged as his duty to do what he himself considered right, and the promises and tasks that the previous leader took upon himself were often abandoned and not brought to their logical conclusion.

[Avior]

High salaries that were supposed to be paid by civilian employees in the North greatly increased the cost of construction.
Then there was a lot to build in more accessible places, this was built in the first place.

[Yngvar]

Do you think there is no one to send to the GULAG now? More than worthy! From the ranks of officials, "talented" managers and other financiers, economists it is possible to assemble such a "guard" that Stalin never dreamed of!
No money left? And the "egg-capsule"? Or will it be spent on the purchase of banks, despite the really necessary costs and acquisitions?

[bessmertniy]

Today, convicts groan that they have no work. At least in our region. But they also want to earn a penny in order not to go free, and many must somehow pay compensation for damages, but they cannot. They might be happy to complete the Arctic railway, but who will let them do it!

[Lamata]

Hmm, but did you consider the costs of servicing the transpolar highway?

[pv1005]

Quote: Lamata

Hmm, but did you consider the costs of servicing the transpolar highway?

And what are the enterprises (facilities, highways, roads .....) that do not need to be maintained?

[Lamata]

No, but what are the costs?

[Doctor]

Hmm, but did you consider the costs of servicing the transpolar highway?

What for? The same convicts that would ride on it and serve it.

[Lamata]

it’s also logical, only for the maintenance of the road you won’t knock out the prisoners

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Lamata

Hmm, but did you consider the costs of servicing the transpolar highway?

What about the options?
The problem is that the railway in those parts is really needed. In the same USSR, 20 years after the closure of the TPM project, certain sections of the road began to be restored by the Minneftegazprom - for the exploitation of oil and gas fields discovered in Western Siberia. Now the picture is the same - the fuel and energy complex needs a railway, which at all costs is more economical and reliable than alternative options.

[Van 16]

"houses and palaces of culture were opened"
After the collapse of the Union, the process went in the opposite direction: a bank was located in one house of culture, and a night club in another. It seems to me that says a lot. The trend, however.

[EwgenyZ]

How many times have I been convinced that Samsonov is a happy person, he still lives not with Stalin, so adored by him, but under Putin. I would have lived under Iosif Vissarionovich long ago I would have felled forests in "sunny" Kolyma according to Article 58, for my opuses.

[bober1982]

By the way, the picture of Nalbandyan that is attached to the article - with some flaws, Beria is absent, apparently the machinations of the neo-Trotskyists.
In the original - on the right hand from Voroshilov, Beria was located (sitting on a chair), behind which stood Kosygin.
So - the main effective manager of the Stalin era and fell out of the picture.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bober1982

By the way, the picture of Nalbandyan that is attached to the article - with some flaws, Beria is absent, apparently the machinations of the neo-Trotskyists.

But anti-party group - in full force. Well, except sided.

[bober1982]

Class, sound remark! The whole Trotskyite gang is assembled, and Lavrenty Pavlovich is thrown away! Who flew to the stars, it turns out they poured into a black hole - into tartara-ry.
Author! I am for historical justice!
Return Beria, as Nalbandyan painted, this photograph (picture) is a Trotskyist provocation.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bober1982

Return Beria, as Nalbandyan painted, this photograph (picture) is a Trotskyist provocation.

You can also ask to remove from the picture all the enemies of the people, anti-Party leaders and other unfaithful sons of the party.
And Mikoyan, Kosygin and Andreev will remain on it.

[Eug]

Then the USSR showed the whole world a real alternative way of development of society and thus attracted allies, and not by delivering energy resources "at preferential prices with a discount." When the movement on the alternative ended, the allies also ended.

[rocket757]

Thus, Stalin led the power and the people in "Happy Tomorrow", "to the stars."

We sigh and ascertain, worthy followers he did not find! What was found t-fu ... in short, they themselves should know what happened.
Okay, there is no turning back; self-pity is also an empty matter. We move .... in short, for a start we begin to move, crawl out of the current swamp.

[oracul]

The reason for the hatred of Stalin lies on the surface, but many avoid telling the truth about it. It is obvious, but it is terrible for capitalism, the "golden billion". It is about building a new society, where a man-creator stood in the center, a man-a worker. That is why all possible forces, both external and internal, have been thrown into denigrating the Soviet and socialist past. The emphasis is on repression, the descendants of the new political elite that formed during the post-revolution and did not want to voluntarily give way to the new. This, in fact, was shown by the period of the destruction of the USSR and the formation of a new capitalist elite, hiding behind the slogan of liberalism and individual freedom, but meeting the resistance of the majority of the people and with the coming of Putin, which lost the power that was in its hands. Listen to the cry that sometimes comes from the nouveau riche and their entourage at all sorts of talk shows about the hatred of ungrateful people towards their breadwinners, who "gave them jobs" at privatized, but actually stolen by them enterprises, envy of their wealth and luxurious life. No, most people normally relate to those who have become the owner of wealth, starting either from a small business, developing it, or raising bankrupt enterprises to their feet. At the same time, they are not arrogant, they do not boast and do not boast of their position, they respect others, regardless of their status. Unfortunately, among the newly-minted wealthy there are many "internationalists in spirit" who prefer to live in other countries on money withdrawn from Russia, for whom the Motherland is an empty phrase.

[Svarog]

Quote: oracul

The reason for the hatred of Stalin lies on the surface, but many avoid telling the truth about it. It is obvious, but it is terrible for capitalism, the "golden billion". We are talking about building a new society, where a man-creator stood in the center, a man-a worker. That is why all possible forces, both external and internal, have been thrown into denigrating the Soviet and socialist past.

I agree with every word!

[Uncle lee]

It’s hard not to agree ....

[your1970]

Quote from Uncle Lee

It’s hard not to agree ....

"Why agree? Look back enough at 1991, when ALL people together buried the USSR ....
Gorbachev sat in Foros and waited ... and the people sat and looked ...

[Uncle lee]

Quote: your1970

Gorbachev

So you answered your question. In the course of several years he managed to bring the country to a zugunder with his restructuring, and the rest is all according to the text.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: oracul

The reason for the hatred of Stalin lies on the surface, but many avoid avoiding telling the truth about it.

everything is elementary here - it is evaluated from the point of view of beautiful modernity !!! for some reason, the current "civilized" rulers of Euroamers also do not want to evaluate !!!

[Pessimist22]

Why did the peasants in the USSR not have passports until 1974 and were not allowed to leave the village for more than 30 days? Slavery or democracy?

[Pessimist22]

I see cons, but there are no answers to the question.

[Aviator_]

were not allowed to leave the village for more than 30 days?

First of all.
Where did you find this nonsense? Even in the 30s there was a massive migration of peasants to cities, but not to bazaars, but to the largest construction sites (Dneproges, Magnitogorsk, Kuznetskstroy ...).
And secondly.
Why do you need a passport in the village? Will they not be allowed to enter the club without him, or will they not be allowed to go to school?

[Doctor]

Why do you need a passport in the village?

Really. We must take it now.

[your1970]

Quote: Aviator_

Even in the 30s there was a massive migration of peasants to cities, but not to bazaars, but to the largest construction sites (Dneproges, Magnitogorsk, Kuznetskstroy ...).

-Do you know the technology of leaving? a representative of the construction site ("recruiter") came and went to the local party leadership - "The construction site needs people !!", shook mandates with terrible seals, the authorities agreed ... the local was told, -you let go of your heels (conditionally! !) a person ... and then - as the recruiter agreed with before - he could let go of five, but he could have released ten ... and God forbid, there was no corruption, no, no ...
And only then the village council issued a passport to a hard worker ...
And that hard worker could not go anywhere except the construction site, because he was given a general residence permit - the barracks at the construction site. And in any other place they could take him by the neck for violating the passport regime

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Pessimist22

Slavery

My grandmother had 9 children, lived in a village .... EVERYTHING learned and lived life with dignity throughout the Union.

[Pessimist22]

You probably did not see the question itself, why did not collective farmers have passports until 1974?

[Uncle lee]

And all my relatives, it turns out, they lived without passports until they died?

[Looking for]

and who told you about this?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Buying tickets with your passport today is of course complete freedom ???

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Pessimist22

Why did the peasants in the USSR not have passports until 1974 and were not allowed to leave the village for more than 30 days? Slavery or democracy?

Military socialism. But seriously, everyone would have fled to the cities and to whom should the country be fed?

[EvilLion]

Again thoughts matrix?

[Ross xnumx]

How a bright future was stolen from the Russian people

In short: at first they soldered this people, then they meanly betrayed and “seized” the national property.

[1970mk]

Russia was a world leader in creating a just order and society, and gave mankind a real alternative to the Western project of enslaving a person. She showed how to live. Worthy of honest work, creation.

Samsonov RADIES again)) The standard of living in a "just society" was not comparable to that of a "enslaved Western man."
"to live with dignity by honest labor" is generally one LAUGHTER!
It is known that Samsonov is a science fiction who quotes his prophetic dreams and ravings .. why be surprised)))

[place]

Quote: 1970mk

The standard of living in a "just society" was not comparable to the standard of living of an "enslaved Western man." "To live with dignity by honest labor" is generally one LAUGHTER!

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And why not compare THIS Soviet standard of living with the standard of living of the peoples of Southeast Asia of that time or the standard of living of Africa? Why is it necessary to compare necessarily with the USA? To live, for example. as in Germany, you must be a German. To like in the USA, you have to be an American. AND YOU WHO YOU ARE? To wash you for a start, and then it’s possible to ASK BARIN TO FEED AS IN AMERICA!

Each country develops under the objective conditions given to it. having behind them their past and SOCIETY TRADITIONS. What you write about "LAUGHTER alone" is just an obscene servile tradition of servants who worship the West. THE CHINESE AT TIME THEY lived even poorer, and did not whine, and now they are on the right path ........ and what turned out? The fact that for this it was NOT NECESSARILY to BREAK YOUR COUNTRY.

[1970mk]

Hey ..... "obscene Haluy" ... The genius-marazmatist-clairvoyant Samsonov compares with Capitalism ... consider Europe-USA ....
compare Asia ... North Korea (purely a variant with a leader) and an enslaved South .... Probably in North Korea they like it terribly at zero temperature in sweatshirts to dive into the ocean behind the Leader? And eat the scorched solder? Like? Their zombie problems!
How great is it with the analogue of "Comrade Kim" (instead of Stalin)? So that you live there! Well, Samsonov, of course ...
[media = https: //vk.com/video9320328_456239089]

[1970mk]

Typically "Happy ZOMBIES" in our time ... like the Stalin era.

[Olgovich]

Quote: ort

And why not compare THIS Soviet standard of living with the standard of living of the peoples of Southeast Asia of that time or the standard of living of Africa?

Let’s: None in AFRICA and Asia until 1933 did so many citizens die of HUNGER as in our country in peaceful 1932-33

And in Russia, NEVER this was.

Let the author tell how an enslaved American passionately dreamed of attaining the level of a "just" society:

(from the material. plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU of 1953)

USA .................. USSR

Bread, flour 78 ... ..180-200
Potato 52,2 ...... 190
Milk .... 345 ........... 159
Meat .......... 81 ............. 24
Eggs (pcs.) 379 ........ 70

I dreamed of eating, as in the USSR, yes ...

[SOVIET UNION 2]

What can be purchased and how to live today on a minimum wage and a living wage? How much a day is allocated to a citizen of Great Russia, and how much for a hedgehog and donkey in a Russian zoo. At the transfer, Solovyov was already voiced. Already Zhirinovsky neighing. 84 hedgehog, 85 citizen, 89 donkey. It seems so. As already compared the costs of a prisoner and a service dog. Russian citizens today are clearly not respected! And the place is indicated to them by law. There was news about the sale of apartments of 11 squares for three lyam in Moscow. Moving towards the apartments one by two meters?

[your1970]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

How much a day is allocated to a citizen of Great Russia, and how much for a hedgehog and donkey in a Russian zoo. At the transfer, Solovyov was already voiced. Already Zhirinovsky neighing. 84 hedgehog, 85 citizen, 89 donkey. It seems so

- Do you have stress with your brain ??? or are you talking nonsense reflexively ???
multiply 85 by 30 days ... ah, the minimum wage does not come out for some reason ...

[SOVIET UNION 2]

But the video was impressive! I apologize for the jamb. Although at what time the plot was shot I do not know.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Olgovich

I dreamed of eating, as in the USSR, yes.

You better count how many hamburgers and fast food they consume ....

[smaug78]

Folkhistory from Samsonov again. Sources of information - cheers-patriotic Internet fences.

[bubalik]

Construction department No. 502, which was engaged in the construction of a railway from the Chum station of the Pechora railway to Cape Kamenny with a branch to Labytnangi, was liquidated. Two new departments were formed - western No. 501 with a base in Salekhard, which was responsible for the section from Labytnangi to the river. Pur and Oriental Directorate No. 503

,,, cool, construction management. all these grandiose construction projects were built mainly by prisoners.
MAIN DEPARTMENT OF RAILWAY CAMP CASES OF THE NKVD – MVD USSR
(GUGLDS NKVD – MVD USSR, GUGDS NKVD USSR)
Glavk was organized on January 4, 1940 by order of the NKVD No. 0014 on the basis of the Railway Construction Department of the GULAG of the NKVD and the Railway Construction Department of the NKVD in the Far East (UZHDS) under the name Main Directorate of Railway Construction of the NKVD of the USSR (GUZHDS). The name “Main Directorate of Camps for Railway Construction” was first mentioned on February 26, 1941 (NKVD Ave. No. 00212). When it was formed, nine ITLs were transferred to the Main Directorate of Railway Transport. By January 31, 1941, their number increased to 13. The main specialization of the headquarters is the construction of railways (before the war - in the Far East, in the north of the European part of the USSR and in Transcaucasia); separate camps were engaged in the construction of highways in Ukraine and an airport in the Moscow region.
,,, In the 50s. The geography of the GULZHD works continued to expand. The construction of a number of strategically important railways began on the Kola Peninsula (CONSTRUCTION 509 AND ITL, CONSTRUCTION 511 AND ITL), in the Arkhangelsk region (CONSTRUCTION 510 AND ITL), in the Far East (CONSTRUCTION 506 AND ITL, CONSTRUCTION 507 AND ITL). The construction of these latter facilities, as well as a number of earlier begun ones, by the GULZhDS was not completed.
GULZHD camps also served construction and installation works not related to railway transport: Mikhailovsky Soda Plant (ALTAI ITL), Angren Coal Mine (ANGREN ITL), residential buildings (KARAGANDAZHILSTROY AND ITL, KEMEROVOZHILSTROY AND ITL).
On March 18, 1953, the production structures of the GULZhDS were transferred to the Ministry of Railways of the USSR by Decree of the USSR Council of Ministers No. 832-370ss, and the ITLs that were part of the headquarters were transferred to the Gulag of the Ministry of Justice by order No. 0013 of April 2, 1953; GULZHS ceased to exist.
The number of prisoners:
01.01.40 - 347 994,
01.01.41 - 421 412,
01.01.42 - 355 123,
01.01.43 - 267 821,
01.01.44 - 121 462,
01.01.45 - 136 140,
01.01.46 - 93 181,
01.01.47 - 148 228,
01.01.48 - 214 478,
01.01.49 - 236 452,
01.01.50 - 294 070,
01.01.51 - 253 859,
01.01.52 - 199 847,
01.01.53 - 205 956.


From the directory: "The system of forced labor camps in the USSR"

[bubalik]

Sakhalin tunnel.

May 5, 1950 I.V. Stalin signed Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR No. 1795-702ss “On the Construction of the Komsomolsk-Pobedino Railway on Sakhalin, the Tunnel Crossing and the Ferry Crossing the Tatar Strait”. It reads: “In order to connect the railways of South Sakhalin with the general network of roads of the USSR, the Council of Ministers of the USSR decides:

It is considered necessary to build during 1951–1955. the railway from Komsomolsk-on-Amur through the Tatar Strait to Pobedino on South Sakhalin, the tunnel under the Tatar Strait in the area of ​​Cape Lazarev-Pogibi and the ferry and ice-breaker railway crossing through the Tatar Strait south of the tunnel crossing with a simultaneous increase in the capacity of the ferry across the river. Cupid in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. " Design and construction was assigned to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, Ministry of Railways of the USSR. The USSR Ministry of Shipbuilding Industry was obligated to build two ice-breaking type railway ferries. The facility was fully due to be completed in 1955.

The USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs was allowed, in agreement with the USSR Prosecutor's Office, to release through the Special Meeting of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs from the ITL and ITK Ministry of Internal Affairs in 1950 and to send 8000 prisoners to build a tunnel under the Tatar Strait, fixing them to these works until the end of the sentence.

In pursuance of the said decision of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR on May 12, 1950 issued Order No. 00310 “On the Construction of the Komsomolsk-Pobedino Railway on Sakhalin, the Tunnel Crossing and the Ferry Crossing the Tatar Strait”, in which G.P. Dobrynin was instructed in June - October 1950 to ensure the importation of 12 thousand prisoners "fit for hard physical labor in the open air in harsh climatic conditions."
The head of the special settlements department of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs V.V. Shiyan was obliged to send during May - June 1950: at the disposal of the Nizhneamurlag of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, 800 people of special settlers, physically healthy, suitable for exploration in taiga and Primorye.

In order of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs No. 0540 of August 11, 1950, the procedure for the selection of prisoners for construction No. 6 was determined. Commissions were formed for this purpose. First of all, it was decided to select 2000 prisoners who “positively showed themselves in everyday life and at work, according to the physical condition of the 1st category of labor and having a sentence of at least 2 years.

As of January 1, 1951, in the Nizhne-Amur ITL of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Khabarovsk Territory), there were 30 prisoners, as of January 442, 1, 1952, and as of January 32, 998 1; in ITL and construction No. 1953 (Sakhalin Oblast) - 30, 689 506 and 3761 12 prisoners; in ITL and construction No. 533 (the village of De-Kastri of the Lower Amur Region) - 14, 165 507 and 3814 11 prisoners respectively.

[bubalik]

Main Turkmen Canal

According to the decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of September 11, 1950 and the order of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs of September 16, the Sredazgiprostroy Office (SAGS) of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs was organized to carry out the construction of the canal.
In Urgench, the first batch of workers appeared on November 9, 1950; she began the construction of temporary structures - camps for prisoners for 2 thousand people, transshipment bases,
car depots, power depots, railway dead end. At the beginning of the second decade of December, began construction of the first structures at Cape Takhiatash, including two camps
for prisoners with a capacity of 1,5 thousand people each.

In 1951, 22 million rubles were spent on the construction of preparatory facilities for the State Customs Committee. Of the priority and major ones, the following were commissioned:
in Urgench - a temporary camp for prisoners for 2 thousand people, a central warehouse, a motor depot, residential buildings, a power station;
in Takhiatash - two camps for prisoners for 3 thousand people, a woodworking plant, a motor depot for 100 cars, a mechanic workshop and a forge, a repair and mechanical workshop, a fuel and lubricant warehouse, three
power station, pier on the Amu Darya.
in Khojeyli - two power plants, a stone quarry with two
stone crushers, the prison building was converted into a camp;
in Sultanuizdag - a temporary camp for prisoners for 500 people, living quarters for a part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs;
As of January 1, 1953, there were eight camp sites and their branches in the construction zone of the State Customs Committee and its units.
In the first quarter of 1952, 1521 civilian workers and 4852 prisoners worked on the construction of the State Customs Committee.
In the second quarter, respectively 1600 and 7221 people.
As of January 1, 1953, 7268 free citizens and about 10 thousand prisoners were registered at the construction site.
According to the plan, the construction of the State Customs Committee should have worked around
11 thousand prisoners.

[Yury Siritsky]

This corn mailer has everything.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

Quote: ROSS 42

How a bright future was stolen from the Russian people

In short: at first they soldered this people, then they meanly betrayed and “seized” the national property.

What does it mean they soldered, or poured vodka into the mouth?

[Bersaglieri]

Again Samsonov tells tales ...

[place]

Quote: 1970mk

Hey ..... "obscene Khalui" ... The genius-Marazmatist-clairvoyant Samsonov compares with Capitalism ... count Europe-USA .... compare ASIA ... North Korea (purely an option with the leader) and the enslaved South. ..

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Look how you made it out! And I suppose no complaints from the moderator? ... Heh, heh ... how much is the lentil soup of the singers of Capitalism now? No worse than in South Korea itself?
I WILL RECOGNIZE THE COMPLETE - A SUBSIDIARY OF THE FORTRESS, WHICH HAPPY FOR THOSE FOUND - SO GOOD BARIN. In vain, bln .. our grandfathers defeated the Germans and Japanese, now they would live like Germans or Japanese ..... Oh, in vain. Well, what? Delhi Russia into 100 small parts, and it will be like in South Korea ........ straight buns will grow on trees.

In fact, both Korea are the result of relations under Capitalism. Whoever rests on independence doesn’t get a job or a salary in the international division of labor, who has decided to sell himself off — earns ...... who sells his labor, who’s the country's resources, everyone has their place ....

The USSR, as in any independent country, had its own "North Korean problems" - BUT EXACTLY in the 70s and 80s, WHEN THEY HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO RUN FOR JEWELRY, CARS AND FOR COOPERATIVE APARTMENTS - THEN DECIDED THAT IT WASN'T NEEDED TO WORK IT IS NECESSARY TO MAKE BABKA .... So how, "dear Russians"? Did you feel good about living under Capitalism? Probably, "how would it be better", only your life has become, heh, heh ... shorter ..... Oh, but how good it is in South Korea !!!

[bober1982]

Quote: ort

BUT it was in the 70s and 80s, WHEN YOU BECAME ALREADY TARGET FOR JEWELERY, CARS AND FOR COOPERATIVE APARTMENTS - THEN AND DECIDED WHAT IT WASN’T NECESSARY TO WORK, BUT MUST BE DONE ..

Previously, they began to tear for jewelry and apartments, and not in the 70s, but by the 80s they got .........I, for the garage, selling homeland .... You could take it with your bare hands.

[Alexey RA]

The fact that the construction of the Trans-Polar Railway was a necessary and objective step is evidenced by the fact that already in modern Russia they have returned to this or that extent to this project. This is the so-called Northern latitudinal passage, which should connect the western and eastern parts of the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, and then continue east to Igarka and Dudinka.

In fact, they returned to the Transpolar Railway even earlier - during the time of stagnation. After oil and gas were found in those parts, part of the sections of the former TPM was restored and used to transport people and goods during the development and operation of deposits.

[ser56]

what nonsense ... simple example:
"The Aral Sea was supposed to lower the level, and the lands freed up during the retreat of the sea were supposed to be used in agriculture."
Aral dried up - the land turned into salt marshes ...

[Fishery]

it's like in a joke about a crying boy)) I also want to live in the USSR))

[Fishery]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bokzsY-p1Wo

[Khoja Nasredin]

. And who built it all? Convicts. Slave work. You cattle to these construction sites

[Alexander Greene]

The article is good, but to call I.V. Stalin the "Red Emperor" is vulgarity.

Today, the ruling elite is frightened by the fact that among all the peoples of the destroyed USSR against the background of the outrages it creates, the authority of I.V. Stalin. So those in power are trying to privatize Comrade Stalin, focusing on his merits as a statesman or as an effective manager. Therefore, they are called I.V. Stalin is the "Red Emperor", then the "Red Monarch." But these epithets act only on philistines who cannot think in other categories.

But the working class remembers that I.V. Stalin was primarily Marxist, Bolshevik, successor of the ideas of V.I. Lenin that under the leadership of I.V. Stalin built the world's first socialist society in which all workers had equal rights and opportunities.

Nobody knew at that time how to build the world's first socialist state, its economy, society, but the Bolsheviks were able to find in practice the mechanism of the socialist economy - a two-level price scale, the orientation of enterprises to reduce production costs.

This allowed twice to raise the country from ruins, and the finest hour of the socialist economy came at the turn of the 40-50s. When for several years there was a regular decrease in retail prices for all goods for the Soviet people. The country gradually grew rich, and the people also became rich.

As a result of this, in the early 50s The USSR faced another important question - the question of the transition from socialism to communism. In the USSR, a discussion was held, and summarizing all the speeches in the press, I.V. Stalin wrote the work "The economic problems of socialism in the USSR ", where he formulated the general law of socialism, according to which the Soviet state developed.

There he posed questions on the further development of socialism and the building of communism, to which the social sciences were to give answers. Stalin warned everyone that without a theory of the movement towards communism, death would be ours ...
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But instead of looking for answers to the questions posed, science began to engage in chastity, and with the help of quotes from the classics began to sanctify the voluntaristic decisions of Khrushchev and all subsequent general secretaries.

Everyone knows the result.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Alexander Green

But the working class remembers that I.V. Stalin was primarily a Marxist, a Bolshevik, a successor of the ideas of V.I. Lenin

Yes? But Comrade Lenin called Comrade Stalin a Great Russian nationalist.
However, VIL and Dzerzhinsky had Russified foreigner.

And, as I understand it, you say that Comrade Stalin, in relation to the Russian people, continued the policy of translating ideas social nazism Comrade Lenin?

therefore internationalism on the part of the oppressive or the so-called “great” nation (although great only by its violence, great only as great as the hold of the Lord) should consist not only respecting the formal equality of nations, but also in such an inequality that would compensate the oppressing nation for the nation big, the inequality that actually develops in life. Whoever does not understand this, he does not understand the truly proletarian attitude to the national question, he essentially remained on the petty-bourgeois point of view and therefore cannot help but slide down every minute to the bourgeois point of view.

[Alexander Greene]

Quote: Alexey RA

continued the policy of embodying the ideas of social Nazism comrade Lenin

Comrade Lenin did not have any social Nazism.

The victory of the Bolsheviks in the civil war was largely due to Lenin's correct international policy in relation to the national suburbs, the same policy determined the possibility of uniting all the lands of tsarist Russia into the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

I.V. Stalin agreed with the Leninist plan for building the USSR, and if he had any doubt about V.I. Lenin, then he could refuse in the future from Leninist national politics, he had all the possibilities. But he did not.

So don’t let it go, but I.V. Stalin built what was written in the Party Program adopted at the congress in 1919, adopted under V.I. Lenin.

[fk7777777]

Ilyich agreed with everyone from here and the union, and not a unitary state, that is, for example, the Balts are just part of the country, the Baltic region, and not the republic, but why Vissarionovich did not do this, this is an open question, as well as for the khrushch, son, whom in 1943 boarded a plane and flew to the Germans.

[fk7777777]

Everything is fine, of course, but the mentality has not changed yet, nothing has changed, even if they do, .... and everyone knows that.

[Diverter]

All is true. But someone must return part of humanity to the Stalin path. Who!

[Sardanapalus]

If the pick and number one goes on to you and others like you, but it’s not enough for me and your hands will be occupied by popcorn ... Then I will use both hands for your Stalinist path. (here many think of themselves as guards and perimeter guards, but not inside the perimeter, the hedgehogs, berries, beria and other things thought so, but the Stalinist way is very humdrum)

[Diverter]

rest assured! if someone begins to revive the ideas of Comrade Stalin, then he will have a whole army of popcorn lovers and all Westerners to solve problems. And a pick or shovel they all get.

[loaln]

Regular in the process of historical events in Russia "zeroing" of the next "elite" pack that has seized hold of power and achieved by the efforts of the entire people is alarming in forecasts about the future of the country.
And, most importantly, he says, there is no shouting that the Russian people easily not only forget the affairs of their ancestors, but also enjoyly pour mud on these matters and themselves, breaking them up.
And this already speaks of the limitations of this human population. Her lack of ANY prospects, except for short-term selfish aspirations.

[Capellan23]

Stalin built a society of the "Golden Age", where man was a creator, creator. Hence his many creative projects aimed at development and prosperity Russian power and people.

After that, you can no longer read.
Where does the author take such weedy grass?
https://music.yandex.ru/album/476828/track/20585231

[Alsur]

Quote: ser56

Quote: Gene84

Khrushchev was making a jester of himself before Stalin

clown in such positions?

And what surprises you, NSH often entertained guests at a feast, literally, like a clown. In some kind of remorse, it was that he was brought from Ukraine to the owner by plane for amusement.

[Pavel Fedorov]

Judo-liberal demons worked tirelessly over the collapse

[swyatoslav]

An undeniable historical truth: the more sacrifices, blood and suffering the ruler brings in his era, the more great he is subsequently considered. The farther the time interval from the tyrant's atrocities, the less they remember the bad and often the good in his reign.
And in this sense, of course, Stalin is one of the most significant figures in history .... he poured blood, how many did not succeed.

[Brigadier]

"Stalin led the power and the people in "Happy Tomorrow", "to the stars." Russia was a world leader in creating a just order and society, and gave mankind a real alternative to the Western project of enslaving a person. She showed how to live."
That's right, you can’t say better !!!

And today the EBN nominee - Putin leads the country in the completely opposite direction, to poverty and ruin, fully justifying all the hopes of his patron ...

But everything in our life goes in a circle ...
Putin come and go and Stalin is always with us!

[Snusmumrik]

The level of the Aral Sea was lowered. They managed without Stalin.

[wooja]

I read this eulogy, was moved ..., the author will become stagnant in a severe form of naivety ... or he has Marxism of the brain, the commentators are right - judging by the followers of the leader and his associates, the greatness of the IVS is somewhat exaggerated, but the movement in the right direction Unfortunately, smart people surrounded by the "father of the people" are hardly noticeable, especially after his departure ...

[place]

Quote: wooja

he has brain Marxism, commentators are right - judging by the followers of the leader and his associates,

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And how to find out who is the "follower" and who is the "ally"? For example, Nicholas II has a "follower" - Kerensky, Kerensky has a "follower" - Lenin ..... Stalin has a "companion" - Trotsky, etc.

[rigoletto2001]

interesting interpretation of events. I do not consider it necessary to write insults to the author, he believes in what he wants to believe in. For me, this article is hopeless nonsense. But ..... laughed with pleasure, so I wish the author not to throw a path and continue to please all those who agree with him and no, his creativity. Good luck Alexander.

[place]

Quote: rigoletto2001

For me, this article is hopeless nonsense. But ..... laughed with pleasure, so I wish the author

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You see, your desires are, of course, super .... But they are not interesting to anyone here.
I’m trying, without pleasure, to explain (unsuccessfully) not the first time that ONE AUTHORITY DIFFERS FROM ANOTHER AUTHORITY in one country with only one thing: legislation. Therefore, I can only wish you a desire to compare the legislation of the USSR and the current one. And to think, which one is more profitable for the majority of the population?

The question is: "How was the legislation enforced?" and why it sucks executed - THIS IS A QUESTION TO THE SOCIETY, NOT TO THE LEADER. For example, in a society of savages, it is generally impossible to build any state, since they sincerely do not understand what the law is and that citizens are obliged to comply with it and everything rests on this. A strong alpha male decides everything for them. There will be no male, so there will be no one even to reproduce the population ... ... problems with demography ........

[Selevc]

It is not entirely correct to compare Stalinka and Khrushchevka and that is why ... They were built for a different purpose !!! Stalinka was built as a capital housing for workers for many years - the cost estimate is several times higher than that of the Khrushchevs .. The stalins were built less but more efficiently and on a grand scale - mostly houses in the central districts of cities ... Khrushchevs were conceived and built as a temporary option housing - it was necessary to build a lot, quickly and everywhere ... So they came up with such a super-economical project.
But as you know, there is nothing more permanent than temporary - Khrushchev’s, having stood for more than half a century, have already established themselves as good economy class housing ...
Compare Stalin and Khrushchev as well as compare Zaporozhets and Mercedes !!! Both that and another like the car but millions are put in one and another cookie with butter !!!

[Selevc]

The great merit of the Stalin era is not entirely obvious, but it is everywhere in every more or less large former Soviet city - compare the pre-revolutionary photos of the cities of tsarist Russia and the cities of the USSR of the era of the 30s ... Everywhere the city centers are completely redesigned ... The architectural chaos was destroyed, instead of crooked dirty streets, avenues were laid, the most capital administrative, scientific and cultural buildings were built.

The same Moscow, which was the 2nd city of 1000 churches under Nicholas and the city where, according to Tolstoy, "there were gold and dirt" nearby, was completely transformed under Stalin - it became a truly white-stone capital - a city of palaces, avenues, parks and squares ...
A new country was built from the centers of its cities, and this is noticeable now in our architecture ...

[rigoletto2001]

Judging by the comments, the cult of "the great leader and teacher, the friend of all athletes" is gaining popularity again. Yes ... in difficult times they have always believed in superheroes. Rereading the article over and over again, I catch myself thinking, and they say the genre of science fiction is in crisis .... no, the alternative past is quite in vogue. I recommend this article for acquaintance as an easy, not annoying read from the genre of alternative fiction, if anyone does not Stalin like, replace the name with SuperMan (nothing will change) and have fun. Yes, it smells a little Warhammer, but even more epic ... FOR THE EMPEROR !!!!!!
PS
When I was a schoolboy, I often borrowed old books from my grandfather like "The Political Economy of the USSR" ..... that's how it smelled like the wind of the past! Thank you. Do not abandon it, I look forward to continuing on this topic (no kidding), in the military sphere I was so happy only Mr. Kalashnikov with his "Broken Sword of the Empire".
Sincerely, an admirer of your talent.