"The reputation of the General Staff of the Armed Forces collapsed": recall the feat of the militia in Debaltseve


Debaltsevo ... Most of the Russians did not even know about the existence of this city, located 74 kilometers from Donetsk. Yes, the city, yes, a major railway junction. Of which there are many throughout Ukraine and in the Donetsk region in particular. However, after the events of the beginning of 2015, there is no longer a person who does not know the name of this city.


As you understand, today we will talk about the Debaltsevsky boiler. About the operation, which was carried out with brilliance not by miners, drivers or workers of other specialties who were defending their home, but already by soldiers and officers of the new army. The DNI army, which emerged from the Donbass militia, and completed the feat.

Debaltseve became the birthplace of the LDNR army


I have no right to advise these people what and when to celebrate, but nobody will forbid me to express my personal opinion. The end date of this operation should be celebrated as the birthday of the army of the republic. After Debaltsev, the media (with the exception of, perhaps, especially the rabid “patriots” from some Ukrainian publications) ceased to call the militia professions that they owned before the conflict began.

Now these were already soldiers, and the soldiers behind which already had their own “Stalingrad”, their own “Moscow”, their own “Odessa”, their own “Sevastopol”. You can argue with my opinion. It’s even necessary. For some, the battle for the airport will seem more important, for others, the first boilers. Over the years история Donbass was enriched with many heroic episodes.

Hundreds of dead and wounded, dozens burned tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, abandoned depots with tons of ammunition and weapons. This is the result of the operation, which ended on February 18, 2015. But the most important result is rarely mentioned. After the Debaltsevsky boiler, the reputation of the Ukrainian army, the reputation of the General Staff of the Armed Forces and the officer corps of the Ukrainian army simply collapsed.

It was then that a version appeared in the Ukrainian media about "Buryat armored cavalry tank divisions of light divers." "Russian officers-commanders and chiefs of staff" appeared. "Pskov paratroopers" appeared, T-14 Armata tanks.

At that time, we seriously monitored the situation in the Donbass. The fakes of Ukrainian propaganda were exposed, separate battles and acts of sabotage were analyzed. We actively communicated with soldiers and officers of the LNR army formations. And in the process of this communication, they noticed a change in the mood of the militias.

I remember one expression that is now perceived as an indicator of mood changes. “Fuck, they’ll kick us out of position. The teeth break off. ” Of course, not the diplomat spoke out, but how accurately the thought was expressed. No fear, no excitement, no jitters. There is calm confidence in yourself and your comrades.

Why Debaltseve was not a surprise to the military on both sides


I won’t talk about fights today. Just because today you can not only listen to the memories of the participants, but also see the many videos shot then.

If we talk about the Debaltsev ledge itself, then even for the amateur it was clear that it would be hot in this place. Let me remind you that the Debaltseve railway junction was occupied by units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions on July 28, 2014. We won’t understand why the militias could not have foreseen and accordingly prepared for the defense of the area between Alchevsk and Gorlovka. The summer of 2014 ...

Why this pocket, when the Armed Forces of Ukraine dug their “tongue” into Debaltseve, and the militias controlling territories on three sides of this language, did not make any efforts to destroy this group, is also understandable.

APU already received the Ilovaisk boiler in September 2014. The hardest battles for the Donetsk airport followed. The Ukrainian army needed a respite. Likewise, the situation was on the other hand.

The militia did not have resources comparable to the APU. And months of continuous fighting led not only to loss of personnel, but also to loss of equipment and weapons. A limited number of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, artillery, inferior in number and quality of the APU. Coming in such a situation means throwing people on a prepared defense without appropriate support.

The vile APU operation that led to the collapse


It is very difficult to talk about meanness in the war. War is generally a vile thing. But, in my opinion, after the APU was defeated at the airport (January 2015), the APU staff developed a rather vile operation, the purpose of which was to be a forced militia attack in Debaltseve.

Remember the appearance of "flying mortars" that disguised themselves as utility vehicles and fired at the crowded places of civilians? The most famous shelling of the stop "Donetskgormash" in the Leninsky district. It was there that 15 civilians were killed.

Then there were numerous shelling from large-caliber barrel artillery at the settlements surrounding Debaltseve. The shots of these shells struck with their cruelty. They beat intentionally where there were more people.

In principle, the goal of the “nerve strike” operation was achieved. The militia command decided to launch an offensive. Moreover, not only the DNI militia, but also the LC, should have eliminated the “language”. Outwardly, according to the maps, the operation was similar to the one carried out by the Red Army on the Kursk Bulge.

Briefly about the feat of the militia


Against several national battalions in Debaltseve was concentrated a lot of troops. It is clear that even today we cannot know the exact figure, but there are assessments of different sides. Ukrainian forces, according to various estimates, ranged from 3 to 6-7 thousand people with the support of armored vehicles and artillery. There were BTGs of 25 airborne brigades, BTGs of 128 mountain infantry brigades, and RTGs of 17 tank brigades.

The militia could not boast of such forces. The personnel - from 6 to 9 thousand, several dozens of armored vehicles and the Kalmius artillery brigade to support the offensive.

The offensive began on January 22, 2015. Many remember how the “warriors of the world” behaved in the Donbass at the beginning of the war. Robbery of civilians, killings, violence. All this became one of the reasons that the positions of the BTG and the location of the Arsenals of the Armed Forces were well known to the militia gunners. Moreover, they didn’t really want to freeze in the APU field.

So, on January 22, the militia artillery struck at Olkhovatka, Popasnaya, Chernukhin, Troitsky, Redkodub, Sanzharovka, almost at the rear of the Armed Forces. It is clear that the high-quality work of artillery sowed panic in the ranks of the National Bats and the Armed Forces.

February 5 Uglegorsk taken. On February 9, the village of Logvinovo was taken. After establishing control precisely over Logvinovo, it became clear that the boiler was "covered with a lid." Here I will have to return to my opinion on the date of the emergence of the LDNR army.

Then everything was done as in textbooks on tactics of battle. The group was divided into separate centers of defense and methodically destroyed defense nodes with artillery and tanks. Thus, depriving the AFU command of the opportunity to counterattack the militias.

Death for an idea or stupidity of commanders?


Fathers-commanders from the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions amicably draped over the territory under the control of Ukraine, leaving their subordinate troops. Nobody expected such a shame for the officer corps. But it was. Remember the wounded to the fifth point of the knight of the order of Bohdan Khmelnitsky Semen Semenchenko (Grishin), who successfully reported on the battles near Debaltseve from the hospital chamber in Artemovsk?

Then came the Minsk agreements on February 11-12 and the opportunity to save the lives of Ukrainian soldiers. Some of the Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers left the boiler on February 15, while some tried to break through the ring and were defeated by the militia. Ukrainian soldiers were released from the boiler north of Logvinovo.

Very often, talking with representatives of the opposing parties, I come across the fact that estimates of militia losses and APU are completely untrue. Agree, "I was there and saw how much they put" - not an estimate. Therefore, I will give approximate figures.

According to various estimates, losses of APU in manpower range from 250 to 3000 people. Why is there such a huge difference in grades? Just because not only fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but fighters of the National Bats are included here. Accounting personnel has always been a weak point of the Armed Forces and battalions. Establishing the exact number of dead bodies is also problematic.

The militias have smaller and more accurate numbers. Although accounting was also limping on both legs. It saved the fact that most of the fighters were from local. The disappearance of anyone was quickly investigated. However, in the battles for Debaltseve killed from 100 to 150 militias.

The losses of weapons and equipment were also enormous. Destroyed or captured by the militia about 300 units of armored vehicles. Especially a lot of tanks and BPM. Moreover, tens of tons of ammunition of various calibers were captured.

It is impossible to forget the Debaltsevsky cauldron and the feat of the militias. Talk about the feat of soldiers and officers of the LDNR at Debaltseve is necessary. Just because history is quickly forgotten. It turns into granite at first, and then to dust.

But worse than that, they then mold a completely different story from the dust. The story is not heroes, but traitors. And we already see this in Ukraine today.
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  1. Andrei Nikolaevich 20 February 2020 06: 50 New
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    “Independence,” - gave the outskirts- complete degradation. For the Supreme, generals, including.
    1. Stas157 20 February 2020 07: 35 New
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      It is impossible to forget the Debaltsevsky cauldron and the feat of the militias.

      That's right, only one question really worries.
      What did the boilers do if they didn’t go further, if Donbass was not accepted into their native harbor?

      The Minsk agreements and the vegetation of Donbass, as gray territories, are not the best option for ending the war for the inhabitants of Donbass for their bright future.
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        1. Andrey VOV 20 February 2020 10: 09 New
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          And you casserole-headed what matters to them?
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            1. Andrey VOV 20 February 2020 10: 44 New
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              And the inhabitants of Ukraine are eager to join NATO and the EEC ???? right all the same 100%? If you thought with your head and did not chase lace panties in Europe there would be no territorial problems, as you put it
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                1. Andrey VOV 21 February 2020 09: 56 New
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                  And as a result, they really remained in their underpants
                2. 1976AG 21 February 2020 15: 28 New
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                  Very burning. Even two maydauns for this muddied

                  If I remember correctly, the main reason for the MaydaUnov was the desire to change the government, which was considered corrupt. NATO does not affect the life of ordinary citizens of Ukraine.
        2. Lionnvrsk 20 February 2020 11: 45 New
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          Quote: Hermit21
          Russia's suspended LDNR status is even beneficial

          Most of all it is beneficial to the United States and partly to the Ukrainian authorities. And therefore, the situation of constant controlled conflict, which can be regulated in the direction of mitigating or tightening hostilities on the front line, will be supported by the United States through the hands of the Kiev regime for a rather long time.
        3. iouris 20 February 2020 13: 01 New
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          Quote: Hermit21
          what Russia cares about the inhabitants of Donbass?

          Ukrainians are Russians (in a broad sense). Like the Russians. They were divided and it is dangerous for their existence and life itself. The problem must be solved in the foreseeable future.
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  2. rocket757 20 February 2020 06: 58 New
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    "The reputation of the General Staff of the Armed Forces collapsed"

    Have fun! There was something collapsing ???
    1. tihonmarine 20 February 2020 08: 36 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Have fun! There was something collapsing ???

      Cheered for sure, and this can be called the General Staff, so soon the Baltic states will have the General Staff.
      1. rocket757 20 February 2020 08: 59 New
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        The Baltic \ Altian have one way, to organize a "forest, Barmalean general staff" ... otherwise, nobody takes them into account.
    2. iouris 20 February 2020 13: 04 New
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      In the era of clip thinking, the institution of reputation does not exist. Who is interested in some kind of reputation?
      1. rocket757 20 February 2020 13: 30 New
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        Quote: iouris
        In the era of clip thinking, the institution of reputation does not exist. Who is interested in some kind of reputation?

        Not everyone is extinct from a past era! sometimes asked different questions, c. including and how is your friend, with a reputation? Is it there or not at all?
        Anachronism, perhaps in the near future will die completely.
  3. bessmertniy 20 February 2020 07: 02 New
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    Debaltsevsky cauldron is an event that not only became the birth of a new army, but also drew the line that there can be no military solution in the Donbass. hi
    1. iouris 20 February 2020 13: 05 New
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      On the contrary, there is only a military solution.
  4. Lamata 20 February 2020 07: 02 New
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    While there was the Union, their greed and eagerness and other extremely negative features held back, but after 1991 they began to come to light exponentially. My grandfather, in the 70s of the 20th century, was the head of the headquarters in the Kazakh SSR, so he said there was no worse thing than working with a Ukrainian SSr, although he himself studied technology after Lvov in the war and his wife, my beloved grandmother from Lviv (the truth is from Polish family.
  5. DMB 75 20 February 2020 07: 11 New
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    Next were the Minsk agreements

    Not yet performed by Bandera ...
    It is impossible to forget the Debaltsevsky cauldron and the feat of the militias. Talk about the feat of soldiers and officers of the LDNR at Debaltseve is necessary.

    Neither reduce nor add .. hi
  6. Adam Khomich 20 February 2020 07: 21 New
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    These boiler strategists back in Ilovaysk showed their skill in throwing subordinates to slaughter and drape from the battlefield.
    The journalist Rostislav Shaposhnikov, who became an eyewitness to these events, shot on his camera what happened on August 29, 2014. The video is called "How the Birch and Khomchak hid in the landing."
    After this shame, Khomchak didn’t shoot himself, but went on raising !!!
    Worthy heirs of Mazepa!
    1. Lamata 20 February 2020 08: 35 New
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      It takes courage to shoot, and what kind of courage an individual with that surname can be.
    2. iouris 20 February 2020 13: 10 New
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      It’s time to understand that Donbass is not materially interested in Kiev. Give statistics: how many “zapadentsev” died in this civil war, how many Russian-speakers and how many Ukrainians (without taking into account “good dealers” - these do not count). And everything will become clear.
      Civil war is needed for theft, but the main thing is to reformat people, so the Russians are shooting at the Russians.
  7. The leader of the Redskins 20 February 2020 08: 30 New
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    Strange analysis. The spread of losses at the level of OBS, and with an explicit adjustment towards the militia. Also
    Destroyed or captured by the militia about 300 units of armored vehicles. Especially a lot of tanks and BPM.
    Apparently, the author did not consult the Lostarmore website before writing. There are no data on the above hundreds. As, however, and in an accessible video on other resources. Personally, while studying, I counted several dozen, unsuitable for recovery units.
    1. Holgerton 20 February 2020 10: 01 New
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      I was also surprised at such estimates. It was especially touching when the amount of total wrecked / damaged / seized equipment from such experts exceeded the reinforced tank division, and even with the Polish Leopards in trophies.
    2. URAL72 20 February 2020 13: 56 New
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      I was then there, 7th brigade. Tens, you greatly minimized it. And then they burned quite a bit. But I didn’t see hundreds, except with trucks. They fired for the equipment photos, this is prohibited, therefore this site cannot count trophies.
      1. The leader of the Redskins 20 February 2020 17: 53 New
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        Not really yours. At the expense of the site. There is a separate column "trophies".
  8. Ros 56 20 February 2020 10: 19 New
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    "The reputation of the General Staff of the Armed Forces collapsed": recall the feat of the militia in Debaltseve

    C'mon, lie, why crumble there? As this reputation was at the level of urban sewage, it remained. Well, how can you sign something with a pen with a closed cap, this is a golem clinic.
  9. iouris 20 February 2020 12: 04 New
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    It was impossible to stop. Delaying the process leads to decay and degradation. What prevented the “government of national unity” from even appearing in the LPR and DPR even at the head of (temporarily) Yanukovych? Only the need for deep reforms in the basis of someone's "business interests". So, the prospects are bad.