There was a danger of the forces of the 25th SAA Special Forces Division entering the Turkish environment in Idlib


In connection with the statements of the Turkish president that the start of a military operation in Idlib is only a matter of time, you should pay attention to the map of the location of the Turkish military in the SAR.


We are talking about places of concentration of military personnel of the Turkish armed forces, including the so-called "observation posts". It is important to note that the number of these posts over the past few weeks has grown significantly, stepping over the limit defined in the format of the Astana and Sochi agreements.

The Turkish security forces settled down in several directions, including the M-4 road connecting Aleppo with the Mediterranean coast.

Places of concentration of Turkish troops and equipment: Arima in the south of the Idlib de-escalation zone, Jizr al-Sugur, Deir-Sumbyul, Sarmin, Idlib, Taftanaz, Atarib, Kafr-Karmin. This is less than half of the areas where Turkish troops are located in territories controlled by militants. But there are a considerable number of locations of Turkish soldiers and officers in the rear of the Syrian government army. A few examples: Serakib, Maaret-en-Nuuman, Morek, Al-Ais, Rashidin, Seykh-Akil and others. The Turkish contingent in Idlib and Aleppo is estimated at thousands of troops.

There was a danger of the forces of the 25th SAA Special Forces Division entering the Turkish environment in Idlib

In such a situation, it is worth assessing the danger of a Turkish strike to the rear of the SAA. It is important that in the rear there are formations that, by definition, are less combat-ready than at the front line. If ahead, for example, the 25th Special Forces Division (formerly Tiger Force) operates, then the units that are primarily involved in strengthening positions and restoring infrastructure remain behind. Opponents of the SAA may well take advantage of this by arranging, for example, a provocation with a simultaneous attempt to force the advanced detachments of the SAA to withdraw to "put out the fire in the rear."

In this regard, there is a danger that the forces of the mentioned 25th division of the Special Operations SAA will enter the Turkish environment. If Erdogan decides to go all-in, then he may well give the order to slam the lid of the "boiler" in the triangle of Foix-Idlib-Serakib. It was in this triangle that Turkish special forces were previously thrown. But whether the General Staff of Turkey calculated possible losses among the Turkish army personnel is an open question.
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  1. MoJloT 19 February 2020 15: 48 New
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    But whether the General Staff of Turkey calculated possible losses among the Turkish army is an open question.
    Of course, I calculated, apparently there is a strong belief in a quick operation with small losses, it seems not without a solid one.
    1. Lord of the Sith 19 February 2020 15: 50 New
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      I do not think that the Sultan will have a small victorious war. Get stuck.

      And what kind of operation, what does he specifically want?
      1. MoJloT 19 February 2020 15: 52 New
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        And what kind of operation, what does he specifically want?
        M5. It seems not so fantastic.
        1. 1Alexey 19 February 2020 18: 15 New
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          Quote: MoJloT
          And what kind of operation, what does he specifically want?
          M5. It seems not so fantastic.

          It was reported that the M5 is currently controlled by Russian troops. In such a situation, the capture of the M5 will be more than fantastic for the Turks!

          In addition, there was a message that Russian troops were escorting Turkish special forces from checkpoints that were in the rear of the Syrian troops towards the Turkish border.
      2. Trevis 19 February 2020 15: 52 New
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        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        What exactly does he want?

        Expel the Syrians from their land.
      3. Nyrobsky 19 February 2020 17: 32 New
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        Quote: Lord of the Sith

        And what kind of operation, what does he specifically want?

        So he wants the SAA to return to the positions agreed upon during the Sochi-Astana talks, but this is hardly possible.
        By and large, it turns out that this "cauldron" has already taken place, but not for the SAA special forces, but only for a part of the Turkish troops that are located in the rear of the SAA and are essentially surrounded. This can be called a breakthrough of the environment through two oncoming blows rather than the organization of the boiler. It is not clear why "break" it, if the Syrians and so can release them unhindered, without loss on both sides. By the way, yesterday our police escorted some Turkish "encirclement" to the exit. Probably Erdogan just to maintain the decency "cheeks blows and frowns eyebrows" and will rest on the fact that the Syrians would not advance further than where they are now.
      4. svp67 19 February 2020 19: 38 New
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        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        And what kind of operation, what does he specifically want?

        Great Turkey ...
    2. LMN
      LMN 19 February 2020 16: 08 New
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      Quote: MoJloT
      But whether the General Staff of Turkey calculated possible losses among the Turkish army is an open question.
      Of course, I calculated, apparently there is a strong belief in a quick operation with small losses, it seems not without a solid one.

      But he didn’t calculate the agreements with Putin?
      Based on your message, Erdogan, as it were, does not take into account the opinion of the Russian Federation at all ..
      1. MoJloT 19 February 2020 16: 14 New
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        Based on your message, Erdogan, as it were, does not take into account the opinion of the Russian Federation at all ..
        Well, to put it mildly, it’s possible, of course, in Russian, but for this it’s ban.
        1. LMN
          LMN 19 February 2020 16: 42 New
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          Quote: MoJloT
          Based on your message, Erdogan, as it were, does not take into account the opinion of the Russian Federation at all ..
          Well, to put it mildly, it’s possible, of course, in Russian, but for this it’s ban.

          Ban, for "in Russian." This is an adverb and is written "in Russian." wink
          The Russian Federation and Syria have no claims to Turkey to date.
          Hysterical, Erdogan. He "owes" the Russian Federation and Syria (based on the Sochi negotiations), he must be Putin personally, he agreed with him ..
          Let him decide now. winked
    3. Alexey Sommer 19 February 2020 18: 48 New
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      Quote: MoJloT
      Of course, I calculated, apparently there is a strong belief in a quick operation with small losses, it seems not without a thorough

      Not long music played, as they say ..
      "The Turkish army retreated to the north of Syria and burned its position"
      https://lenta.ru/comments/news/2020/02/19/telltamer/
      1. serzh.kost 19 February 2020 20: 57 New
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        this is called relocation. removed from there - sent to Idlib. Well, the tape is such an icteric resource belay
    4. Nikolai Grek 20 February 2020 06: 11 New
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      Quote: MoJloT
      But whether the General Staff of Turkey calculated possible losses among the Turkish army is an open question.
      Of course, I calculated, apparently there is a strong belief in a quick operation with small losses, it seems not without a solid one.

      they missed a coup d'etat under their nose !! fool what kind of "miscalculations" are you talking about? !!! wassat laughing
  2. Imperial Technocrat 19 February 2020 15: 52 New
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    Russia must give Syria tactical nuclear weapons, and Syria will punch their own corridor to Istanbul
    1. Trevis 19 February 2020 16: 08 New
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      Maybe right away strategic? To walk so walk! laughing How crave!
      1. Imperial Technocrat 19 February 2020 19: 06 New
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        Strategic too. For cases where Nato will fit in with the Turkish Fuhrer. Then Syria will be able to erase New York, Los Angeles, Washington and other American cities with thermonuclear charges
        1. Trevis 19 February 2020 19: 09 New
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          We will surely have a beat.
    2. Incvizitor 19 February 2020 17: 12 New
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      Well, yes, and then his broads will capture him.
  3. Sergst 19 February 2020 15: 52 New
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    Well, I don’t know, Libya, Cyprus, Syria - will not be too much for Turkey?
    1. seregatara1969 19 February 2020 16: 18 New
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      The laurels of the emperor do not give rest. The glory of Ataturk warms your ass. It drags the whole thing into the infernal cauldron of more than one country and more than one people.
  4. Gray brother 19 February 2020 15: 54 New
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    Some of these have already been shut down the boiler along the Russian border, but in the end they cooked themselves.
    How are the observational points observable?
  5. Gato 19 February 2020 15: 54 New
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    25th Division

    What is it like? Even in the USSR there were no more SPN brigades, and there were no actions as part of the brigade — a maximum of detachment.
    1. donavi49 19 February 2020 16: 59 New
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      This is Syria. The Tiger Forces gathered the most combat-ready and resilient + full staff of normal commanders from platoon to division. In the end, they called it the 25th special forces division. In fact, this is really a special purpose - the only large unit capable of attacking, assaulting and holding counterattacks.

      That's even for this operation:
      The 25th division did 95% of the work. The M5 broke through to the rear and did work on the offensive section and the Aleppo group.

      4 mechanized division of Maher al-Assad (the core of the Aleppo strike group) - spent a whole year preparing for battle, understaffing, and finally got zilch. Little success in Rashidin. A couple of repulsed villages on the outskirts and rolled back to the starting ones with the first serious counterattack. This is where the T-90, T-62 and BMP were presented on the go.
      1. LMN
        LMN 19 February 2020 17: 13 New
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        Well ?
        25 or 4 division, outraged by the "aggression" of Turkey?
      2. Gato 19 February 2020 19: 22 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        In fact, this is really a special purpose - the only large unit capable of attacking, assaulting and holding counter-attacks

        If you do not find fault with the terms. By the way, if it is a division, then this is a unit, not a unit. Well, it’s like that, a chatter ...
        And then what are the troops that are not for special purposes?
        1. Sancho_SP 19 February 2020 20: 01 New
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          Barmalei on carts, mainly. No need to think that the warring parties are very different.
    2. PSih2097 19 February 2020 17: 37 New
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      Quote: Gato
      How's that?

      Well, there’s an assault rather than a special forces division, with special forces in its composition.
      1. ananias mudishev 19 February 2020 21: 59 New
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        Well, something like our ODON or OMSDON
    3. Doliva63 19 February 2020 21: 07 New
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      Quote: Gato
      25th Division

      What is it like? Even in the USSR there were no more SPN brigades, and there were no actions as part of the brigade — a maximum of detachment.

      Well yes. Since the Union of Special Forces in the Union is intelligence, it’s difficult for us to imagine intelligence. Division, I agree laughing It’s just that they put some sense (if that’s their term at all) into this concept, inaccessible to us. Since the 90s, by the way, we have bred all kinds of SPNs. And before that, by the way, there were divisions, though not special., But even of a special purpose - OMSDONs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, remember? So it's just the cost of terminology.
      1. ananias mudishev 19 February 2020 22: 01 New
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        OMSDON is a motorized rifle, and in the Ministry of Internal Affairs - ODON
        1. Doliva63 19 February 2020 22: 14 New
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          Quote: Ananias Mudishev
          OMSDON is a motorized rifle, and in the Ministry of Internal Affairs - ODON

          I don’t remember the ODON divisions in the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, but my classmate served in the OMSDON of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs named after Dzerzhinsky after the Ordzhonikidze Combined Arms Command School of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. By issue - the commander of the MSV on the armored personnel carrier. Maybe there were ODONs, I don’t know, I’m army.
        2. Gato 20 February 2020 01: 05 New
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          OMSDON is a motorized rifle, and in the Ministry of Internal Affairs - ODON

          This is one and the same division. First was OMSDON them. F.E.Dzerzhinsky, then ODON named after him. In the first case, special purpose, in the second - operational.
      2. Gato 20 February 2020 00: 47 New
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        OMSDONs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, remember?

        And then. True, in its purpose and application, it is rather a security division (well, there is protection of the rear, especially important facilities, etc.) with a particularly reliable l / s - i.e. heavily armed and a direct opponent of the same Special Forces. And the Special Forces in the Union are not only and not so much reconnaissance as sabotage in the deep enemy rear, where the playful arms of division reconnaissance armies do not reach. You must admit that 1-2 brigades of the Special Forces in the okrug (front) for reconnaissance alone are a bit too much.
        1. Doliva63 20 February 2020 19: 51 New
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          Quote: Gato
          OMSDONs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, remember?

          And then. True, in its purpose and application, it is rather a security division (well, there is protection of the rear, especially important facilities, etc.) with a particularly reliable l / s - i.e. heavily armed and a direct opponent of the same Special Forces. And the Special Forces in the Union are not only and not so much reconnaissance as sabotage in the deep enemy rear, where the playful arms of division reconnaissance armies do not reach. You must admit that 1-2 brigades of the Special Forces in the okrug (front) for reconnaissance alone are a bit too much.

          You will be surprised, but there wasn’t such a position in the Special Forces - a saboteur. The main specialty is a scout. And reconnaissance is the main task of Special Forces, as well as all reconnaissance units of SA
          - from reconnaissance platoons of small and medium business to the Special Forces brigade And in the same way, the list of tasks of each reconnaissance unit includes sabotage, only the depth (distance from its troops), the scale and weapons used are different. That's the whole difference, actually. Another thing is that the farther from hostilities, the more different are the methods of reconnaissance. For example, the involvement of the local population in intelligence, the organization of a patriotic and liberation movement in the rear of the enemy, such as partisan, whose main task is to provide relevant information, and only then - sabotage, etc., since no one expects to win by sabotage and partisanism, but only by the successful action of their troops. Therefore, everything is “imprisoned” for obtaining information that underlies the decisions of commanders in a battle somewhere in the infantry, which should win the war. It’s just that intelligence, conducted at operational and great depths, was called special intelligence in our country, hence the name "special forces". In short, so to speak drinks
          And yes, in the Special Forces brigade there are usually 3 reconnaissance battalions. That is, it turns out that there are 5-6 of them in the army (according to the number of divisions), and only 3 at the front. And you say, the brigade to the front is a lot. I hope I didn’t give out military secrets laughing
          1. Gato 21 February 2020 00: 52 New
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            And yes, in the Special Forces brigade there are usually 3 reconnaissance battalions

            As far as I know, there were no reconnaissance battalions in the SPN brigade, but there were units of 4 to 7, plus separate radio reconnaissance companies, sappers, and other appendicitis, and some even had their own air squadrons. This is a district subordination. And armies and AKs have their own separate battalions and companies. No, I’m not against each division to send special forces for the brigade, but this is not a war, but a continuous reconnaissance drinks
            1. Doliva63 22 February 2020 19: 46 New
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              Quote: Gato
              And yes, in the Special Forces brigade there are usually 3 reconnaissance battalions

              As far as I know, there were no reconnaissance battalions in the SPN brigade, but there were units of 4 to 7, plus separate radio reconnaissance companies, sappers, and other appendicitis, and some even had their own air squadrons. This is a district subordination. And armies and AKs have their own separate battalions and companies. No, I’m not against each division to send special forces for the brigade, but this is not a war, but a continuous reconnaissance drinks

              The squad is comparable in size to a battalion, so I named them for simplicity. And the support units and subdivisions are by themselves, but they, in fact, do not play any piano. Even where there were special ministers, they only went to the regular reconnaissance groups. I don’t remember a single OBRSpN with my aircraft. There were some in ODSBR, but not in SPN. Or forgot. Give an example or something. The most advanced in the Union were 3 and 5 OBRSpN, there was nothing flying there, with the exception of the period when they tried to introduce something like motorcycle deltas. 5th, by the way, once my classmate commanded. There have been no separate battalions for 50 years already, probably, not counting the cropped up company guard in Aramili, but after Afghanistan it is not there - I once was aware of the details, but, thank God, forgot them laughing There were separate companies in the armies and some AKs, yes. drinks
  6. Sergst 19 February 2020 15: 59 New
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    Quote: MoJloT
    And what kind of operation, what does he specifically want?
    M5. It seems not so fantastic.

    And how to do this in conditions of sky closure by the Russian Aerospace Forces?
    1. PSih2097 19 February 2020 17: 38 New
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      Quote: Sergst
      And how to do this in conditions of sky closure by the Russian Aerospace Forces?

      Well, Israel and America do something like that, what prevents it?
      1. 1Alexey 19 February 2020 18: 21 New
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        Quote: PSih2097
        Quote: Sergst
        And how to do this in conditions of sky closure by the Russian Aerospace Forces?

        Well, Israel and America do something like that, what prevents it?

        In fact, Russia closed the sky in Syria only over Idlib, Israel and Israel do not fly over Idlib, I doubt that the Turks can.
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          In fact, Russia closed the sky in Syria only over Idlib, Israel and Israel do not fly over Idlib, I doubt that the Turks can.

          but rockets can fly, unlike aviation ...
    2. Grits 20 February 2020 00: 45 New
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      Quote: Sergst
      And how to do this in conditions of sky closure by the Russian Aerospace Forces?

      It is very simple to open this sky with the help of 200 Turkish aircraft. Here along the way, many people think that the Turks have aviation like Lithuania - 2 corn kernels.
  7. Vladimir61 19 February 2020 16: 03 New
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    It is possible, although this map is more similar to the political, rather than topographic. But then, all the Turkish checkpoints on Syrian territory, the Syrians can safely put into consumption, and the Turkish shock “fists” on highways can be stopped with powerful missile and artillery fire, including with the use of “Points”, which they’re still in business was not allowed.
    1. Captain Pushkin 19 February 2020 16: 18 New
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      Quote: Vladimir61
      all Turkish checkpoints in Syrian territory, the Syrians can safely spend,

      The Turks, it seems, evacuated their "posts" that were surrounded and blockaded. Withdrawn with escort of the police of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
      This, in general, is a positive moment, but it suggests that the Turks can prepare for serious battles and take their own out of a possible blow, i.e. untied their hands.
    2. Grits 20 February 2020 00: 49 New
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      Quote: Vladimir61
      But then, all the Turkish checkpoints on Syrian territory, the Syrians can safely put into consumption, and the Turkish shock “fists” on highways can be stopped with powerful missile and artillery fire, including with the use of “Points”, which they’re still in business was not allowed.

      Is logical. I think that is exactly what the Syrians are planning. Rather, the Syrian military. But what will happen after that? Or do they hope the Turks get scared and flee the battlefield? Next will be a nightmare for CAA. After that, they simply roll it to zero. Indeed, in addition to the aforementioned division, the SAA has practically nothing combat ready.
  8. LMN
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    Turkey will not do this. What kind of "boilers" ?!
    Any "cauldrons" will mean a declaration of war on Syria. And that means potentially the Russian Federation.
  9. aranzon1913 19 February 2020 16: 06 New
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    If they begin, immediately cover the oporniks with dots and artifacts.
    1. 1Alexey 19 February 2020 18: 26 New
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      Quote: aranzon1913
      If they begin, immediately cover the oporniks with dots and artifacts.

      Right !!! And to connect the MLRS (all the more so, they recently installed our Sun Flamethrowers).

      After this, Erdagan will need to think about how his own would not be shot for such a successful operation.
      1. PSih2097 19 February 2020 23: 13 New
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        all the more to them our Solntsepek flamethrowers recently set

        the sun has a launch distance less than that of the ATGM, not to mention the artillery ... Yes, and it was created for other situations, you still suggest "Gorynych" ...
  10. Whisper 19 February 2020 16: 10 New
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    I think Erdogan can go all in a bank ..... it all depends on agreements with Moscow.
    1. 1Alexey 19 February 2020 18: 29 New
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      Quote: Sheptun
      I think Erdogan can go all in a bank ..... it all depends on agreements with Moscow.

      After his people are put in Syria, he really will only have to go to the bank for cash and flow from Turkey (until the shooting).
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  11. Livonetc 19 February 2020 16: 11 New
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    Well, aviation is present there not only in the person of the aerospace forces.
    Syrian aviation can also work.
    And how will Turkish units be covered from the air?
    Well, the location of the Turkish units is known.
    1. Captain Pushkin 19 February 2020 16: 24 New
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      Syrian aviation can also work.
      And how will Turkish units be covered from the air?

      The Turks will block the small heights, and there are hardly any things to work effectively from medium and large Syrians.
      1. Krasnodar 19 February 2020 16: 37 New
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        In the case of the use of aviation directly in the Turks, they will bring their Air Force into battle.
        1. Altai72 19 February 2020 17: 17 New
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          No problem. They won’t even think about it.
        2. 1Alexey 19 February 2020 18: 37 New
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          In the case of the use of aviation directly in the Turks, they will bring their Air Force into battle.

          There are only two questions.

          1. Will they allow our VKS, which more than once Turkish F-16 deployed.

          2. How will Syrian air defense work (they wrote that ours have already given the green light to use S-300 transferred to Syria by the Turks).
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          In the case of the use of aviation directly in the Turks, they will bring their Air Force into battle

          Its Air Force is a dozen Su-17s against hundreds of F-16s
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            I wrote about the Turks
    2. Altai72 19 February 2020 17: 16 New
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      At the moment, it is not known where and in what place the Turkish EW Coral systems are deployed. Some sources indicate that her position is 80-90 km from the Russian air base. Given that the effective range of EW Coral is 150 km, it is quite capable of interfering with the operation of Russian radio-electronic equipment, as well as aviation. With its S-400 in its arsenal, Turkey could well study the mechanism for interfering with these air defense systems, and thereby prevents Russia from controlling airspace over the northern part of Syria.
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        These are not the most advanced means of jamming. By Western standards.
        1. Altai72 19 February 2020 17: 27 New
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          Well, something more than nothing. Do you think this will be no problem?
          1. Krasnodar 19 February 2020 17: 35 New
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            theoretically - can be from everything.
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            Quote: Altai72
            Well, something more than nothing. Do you think this will be no problem?

            They already wrote that our problems are not felt from this.

            In addition, our electronic warfare is much more powerful and efficient than Turkish. So, if our EWs are turned on, then the Turks will not only have their EWs, but many other things will stop working.
  12. flicker 19 February 2020 16: 12 New
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    In such a situation, it is worth assessing the danger of a Turkish strike in the rear of the SAA ... In this regard, there is a danger of the forces of the mentioned 25th division of the SAA SAA falling into the Turkish encirclement
    No well ok good
    Turks will hit the rear of the Syrians and the Syrians will be surrounded wassat
    And the Turks do not risk falling into the environment by hitting the rear of the Syrians ????? what
  13. serzh.kost 19 February 2020 16: 18 New
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    in general, everything depends on the eggs of GDP, if there are eggs, it will not bend. no - if the Syrians retreat from the M5 highway, then it will be a disgrace to the people of Ukrainian and Yugoslav, then their legs will be wiped off by anyone.
    everything is possible. if in the Donbass, which is near at hand, ukroraich daily kill Russian, then what really there ...
    1. 1Alexey 19 February 2020 18: 47 New
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      Quote: serzh.kost
      if the Syrians retreat from the m5 highway, then there will be a disgrace

      They already wrote that the M5 highway was completely taken under the control of the troops of the Russian Federation.

      So the M5, even theoretically, does not shine on the Turks!

      In addition, NATO did not in vain refuse to support Turkey in Idlib - they were not afraid of Syria!
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        There are no Russian troops in Syria)
        1. 1Alexey 19 February 2020 20: 13 New
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          The military police and the aerospace forces are also units of the Russian troops.
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      Quote: serzh.kost
      in general, everything depends on the eggs of GDP, if there are eggs, it will not bend. no - if the Syrians retreat from the M5 highway, then it will be a disgrace to the people of Ukrainian and Yugoslav, then their legs will be wiped off by anyone.

      After this, dill can calmly begin an attack in the Donbass.
  14. ODERVIT 19 February 2020 16: 27 New
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    Well, I don’t know how great the operational-tactical training of experts is? But ... the best of the General Staffs will find a solution. Military science is studied in schools and academies, and not in the HE site. Violet cons, it is necessary to decide on the "sneezing" VO.
    1. Vladimir61 19 February 2020 16: 50 New
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      Quote: ODERVIT
      Well, I don’t know how great the operational-tactical training of experts is? But ... the best of the General Staffs will find a solution. Military science is studied in schools and academies, and not in the HE site.
      The site contains news for wide discussion, and not an introductory one, for officers of the General Operations Department!
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        Quote: ODERVIT
        Well, I don’t know how great the operational-tactical training of experts is? But ... the best of the General Staffs will find a solution. Military science is studied in schools and academies, and not in the HE site.
        The site contains news for wide discussion, and not an introductory one, for officers of the General Operations Department!

        Is there an operational department in the General Staff? I remember: the 1st Main Directorate, the Main Operational Directorate, and the operational department, probably, was in Civil. Congratulations, you still have a great memory! drinks
    2. PSih2097 19 February 2020 17: 43 New
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      Well, I don’t know how great the operational-tactical training of experts is?

      Believe me, here (on the site) not only sofas are seated, but also both ex (retired, in reserve) and the current armed forces of not only the USSR / RF, but also abroad ...
    3. Volodin 19 February 2020 17: 59 New
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      it is necessary to decide on the "sneezing" of VO

      Why the Exorcist ... It would be better to start with a decision to study the rules of the Russian language
      1. Bully 19 February 2020 21: 07 New
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        In essence, ODERVIT is right - emotions prevail during discussion. And if you look closely, the Russian Federation warned Erdogan in almost plain text: military operations against Syria will be the worst-case scenario [for Turkey]. Erdogan, instead of thinking (but Putin knows something that I don’t know), continues to bullish: I hope that the Russian Federation will not participate in this scenario. Erdogan already once overslept (this is about the level of his awareness), but the Russians saved his ass (this is about the level of awareness of the GDP). Here, many with echidtsy talk about Putin’s unprofitable friendship with Erdogan. Is it friendship? Rather, Erdogan is simply used while it is profitable.
  15. Krasnodar 19 February 2020 16: 35 New
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    The author incorrectly translated the term commandos division)) This is not special forces, it's just good infantry, at the level of the IDF heavy infantry brigades or Amer marines
    1. PSih2097 19 February 2020 17: 46 New
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      This is not special forces, it’s just good infantry, at the level of the IDF’s heavy infantry brigades or Amer’s marines

      it’s just attack aircraft with all means of amplification, including special forces units, except aviation, and I’m not sure (front-line - there should be turntables).
      1. Krasnodar 19 February 2020 18: 02 New
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        As for the attack helicopters, like the Marins, I’m not sure, in principle, such divisions and tanks and self-propelled artillery are attached, as I recall. They have their own special forces, but in essence - infantry is infantry.
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          but in fact - infantry infantry

          our DShD / DShB - also infantry, only with delivery by plane.
          1. Krasnodar 19 February 2020 18: 07 New
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            Yes, infantry. But the Syrian commandos are rather well-trained motorized infantry, not intended for the tasks performed by the DSB)) They are like marins, Golani, etc.
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              well-trained motorized infantry

              so we don’t have clean infantry right now, everything either moves on BTR / BMP / BMD or on tanks / cars (Kamaz / Tigers / Urals / Shishigi / Sadko).
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                Once again - the Syrian commandos are distinguished by the quality of training corresponding to the IDF Golani, Givati, Nahal, Desantur or Amer Marins. It doesn’t matter how they move - even on donkeys)). Ordinary Syrian infantry was notable for their low quality training; their task was to keep fortified posts from the Golan Heights to Damascus. These - attack aircraft - offensive operations or defense of strategically important objects \ political and administrative centers.
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      The author incorrectly translated the term commandos division)) This is not special forces, it's just good infantry, at the level of the IDF heavy infantry brigades or Amer marines

      And what, in Israel there is no special forces like in the Union?
      1. Krasnodar 19 February 2020 21: 58 New
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        Of course I have
        In each infantry brigade - three companies - combat engineer, reconnaissance, anti-tank
        Separate, each kind of troops and the General Staff
        Special - such as evacuation, deep reconnaissance and sabotage behind enemy lines, etc. About 30 in total.
        1. Doliva63 19 February 2020 22: 05 New
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          Of course I have
          In each infantry brigade - three companies - combat engineer, reconnaissance, anti-tank
          Separate, each kind of troops and the General Staff
          Special - such as evacuation, deep reconnaissance and sabotage behind enemy lines, etc. About 30 in total.

          I wonder what is the depth of deep intelligence work? Depth reconnaissance of ORB in the divisions of the Union worked for 100-300 km., Special operations forces - from 300 to 500 (army companies) and from 500 to dohren (these are already brigades). Well, like this. About. Does deep intelligence work with local people?
          1. Krasnodar 19 February 2020 22: 08 New
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            1) How much is required - long distances are possible, with the possibility of evacuation
            2) I don't know
            1. Doliva63 19 February 2020 22: 18 New
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              1) How much is required - long distances are possible, with the possibility of evacuation
              2) I don't know

              And if there can be no evacuation, but it is necessary - otherwise kirdyk to Israel, then how?
              1. Krasnodar 19 February 2020 22: 22 New
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                Then other units do it)).
                1. Doliva63 19 February 2020 22: 26 New
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                  Then other units do it)).

                  Well, that's what I ask about them. Or are they no longer the army?
                  1. Krasnodar 19 February 2020 22: 30 New
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                    Various. There may be combined operations - it’s not the army who finds out, then the army works - for example, the operation to free the hostages in Uganda. It can not be scouted by an army under army guard, for example.
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                      Various. There may be combined operations - it’s not the army who finds out, then the army works - for example, the operation to free the hostages in Uganda. It can not be scouted by an army under army guard, for example.

                      That is, in Israel there is no analogue of the Soviet special forces? The one who himself (through the GRU, also an army structure) could have all the necessary information and act independently from other state agencies in solving the tasks. Even the 14th deep intelligence company in the 68th, when it was necessary to capture the Dubcek government, had information only from military sources.
                      1. Krasnodar 19 February 2020 22: 41 New
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                        There is. General Staff and Naval Commandos.
                      2. Doliva63 19 February 2020 22: 49 New
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                        There is. Special Forces of the General Staff.

                        One would like to ask: number, tasks? The Soviet Special Forces also obeyed the General Staff, or rather one of its directorates. Although it was under the operational subordination of other structures. It seems to me that the Soviet structure was the most efficient in the world. But this is only suitable for a powerful army, which is not present in Israel and in the Russian Federation.
                      3. Krasnodar 19 February 2020 22: 52 New
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                        I do not know the number
                        Tasks - sabotage, intelligence, anti-terror
                        Distances - any
                        The most workable - US green berets
                        They have crazy funding, as well as political support - this is today
                        What happened during the Union - I don’t know
                        I read about Cascade and Pennant
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I do not know the number
                        Tasks - sabotage, intelligence, anti-terror
                        Distances - any
                        The most workable - US green berets
                        They have crazy funding, as well as political support - this is today
                        What happened during the Union - I don’t know
                        I read about Cascade and Pennant

                        Well, Cascade and Pennant to the army in no way.
                        And Israel has no analogue of the Green Berets, as I understand it. Thank.
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                        Analog of Green Berets - no, definitely
                      6. Florian geyer 20 February 2020 20: 44 New
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                        Citizens, feel free to ask what are you talking about?
                        There is an analogue in Israel of both bomber and green berets. For example, 89 brigade and gossip 13.
                        We must go to classes in IA and theater of affairs.
                        In addition, by no means the green berets are not "the coolest", just an analogue of our conscripts in dshb.
                        Do you want steepness - SAS, Seals, Utti, yes.
                        But even with us, the spn is not at all homogeneous. There is no point in comparing 22 br with the Pacific reconnaissance point, rbt 98 dv or 45 r - all are very different in purpose and preparation
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                        Or are royalist views all frostbitten?
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                        Quote: Florian Geyer
                        Citizens, feel free to ask what are you talking about?
                        There is an analogue in Israel of both bomber and green berets. For example, 89 brigade and gossip 13.
                        We must go to classes in IA and theater of affairs.
                        In addition, by no means the green berets are not "the coolest", just an analogue of our conscripts in dshb.
                        Do you want steepness - SAS, Seals, Utti, yes.
                        But even with us, the spn is not at all homogeneous. There is no point in comparing 22 br with the Pacific reconnaissance point, rbt 98 dv or 45 r - all are very different in purpose and preparation

                        True, I’ve been from the army for a long time, but, I remember, they studied the structure and preparation of other people's special forces. Therefore, a couple of replicas are overdue: Green berets and our DSHV (even those years) are 2 big differences and there is no analogy between them; Seals on their own base in the late 80s MCI SF "made" without any problems - what is the steepness?
                        I read, for a long time, however, reviews about NATO jumps over 6 years - the Germans won 4 times, the Yankees and Tommy once. Something has changed in the world since then, but the school has not disappeared anywhere, it will be necessary - the Germans will be pulled up.
                        Once I thought that the SAS are the most powerful, because the group they have only 4 scouts versus 9-15 in other countries, but it turned out that the tasks are not comparable. So it turns out that now the army Special Forces are everywhere about the same where it is. And I never really studied Israel, because my theater was a CETVD.
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                        Dear comrade, the steepness of the goppa does not count on the number of fighters.
                        Sas crap in only for the war in Argentina? And rightly so. How much will 4 people carry on themselves, dropped to minus 50 km from the point?
                        The right group is 16 people. And the same Sas is the same.
                        But it’s more interesting to talk about Utti
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                        Quote: Florian Geyer
                        Dear comrade, the steepness of the goppa does not count on the number of fighters.
                        Sas crap in only for the war in Argentina? And rightly so. How much will 4 people carry on themselves, dropped to minus 50 km from the point?
                        The right group is 16 people. And the same Sas is the same.
                        But it’s more interesting to talk about Utti

                        Behind SAS is not only Argentina, if that. What is a “point” and what is “50 km”? In my time, the CAC group had exactly 4 people, I, like, wrote in Russian.
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                      Green berets in those years were conscripts, and now the second grade, as regards the struggle of the Special Forces with seals, is a fairy tale. Lackey yes they will easily stick but have never tried
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                      Green berets in those years were conscripts, and now the second grade, as regards the struggle of the Special Forces with seals, is a fairy tale. Lackey yes they will easily stick but have never tried

                      After Vietnam, there are no conscripts in the US Army, if that. Your knowledge "amazes me" hi
              2. Florian geyer 21 February 2020 00: 15 New
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                Citizens, feel free to ask what are you talking about?
                There is an analogue in Israel of both bomber and green berets. For example, 89 brigade and gossip 13.
                We must go to classes in IA and theater of affairs.
                In addition, by no means the green berets are not "the coolest", just an analogue of our conscripts in dshb.
                Do you want steepness - SAS, Seals, Utti, yes.
                But even with us, the spn is not at all homogeneous. There is no point in comparing 22 br with the Pacific reconnaissance point, rbt 98 dv or 45 r - all are very different in purpose and preparation
  • rocket757 19 February 2020 16: 36 New
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    There are many open questions ... it’s better to calmly push them aside, otherwise it will be worse for everyone, but some are worse than others.
  • Gardamir 19 February 2020 16: 39 New
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    The site is military, but also political. You can draw offensive and waste maps as much as you like, but whether the Kremlin wants to go against a partner. Assad can only give Syrian oil. And much more depends on Erdogan.
    And the Kremlin is not looking for allies, but partners. If Erdogan blocks the straits, and Iran passes and spans, then what? ..
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      Quote: Gardamir
      whether the Kremlin wants to go against a partner. Assad can only give Syrian oil. And much more depends on Erdogan.
      And the Kremlin is not looking for allies, but partners. If Erdogan blocks the straits

      Turkey, which supports Ukraine against our Crimea, is not a partner for us!

      Assad does not give us oil, but, first of all, bases on the shores of the Mediterranean Sea, and this is part of our security.

      And if Erdogan blocks the straits, then he will rake in full!
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        It will be good if this time.
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  • Sergst 19 February 2020 16: 45 New
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    And what kind of operation, what does he specifically want?
    M5. It seems not so fantastic.

    And how to do this in conditions of sky closure by the Russian Aerospace Forces?

    That's cool, for a simple question there are so many minuses. You better explain how to conduct a serious offensive operation without air support. Here the Turkish general said that it’s impossible. As?
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      Quote: Sergst
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      And what kind of operation, what does he specifically want?
      M5. It seems not so fantastic.

      And how to do this in conditions of sky closure by the Russian Aerospace Forces?

      That's cool, for a simple question there are so many minuses. You better explain how to conduct a serious offensive operation without air support. Here the Turkish general said that it’s impossible. As?

      With powerful air defense and artillery - why not?
  • Pastor 19 February 2020 16: 53 New
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    Erdogan is not in vain seeking support in the states. Trump six months before the election can Turkey and support: in a word, weapons. The benefit of oil pumped a lot of Syrian. Erdogan may try to decide and play a powerful throw. And our VKS will not hit on it during the blitzkrieg.
    1. donavi49 19 February 2020 17: 05 New
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      There, without American weapons, a tactical operation is quite capable. Coming from the columns - at least 3 tactical groups assembled from brigades (on the Sabra, on the Leopards and commandos). Plus greens with meat. It is quite beyond the M5 that they can force out, go to Aleppo and Hama again. Actually on this line and declared the need to go.

      While Damascus is not going to storm Erdogan.
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      And our VKS will not hit on it during the blitzkrieg.

      Who promised this to you ?!

      And do you think Assad himself began the operation in Idlib without instructions and support from the Russian Federation? And exactly, at the time when Erdogan began to transfer militants from Idlib to Libya?
      1. Pastor 19 February 2020 20: 13 New
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        Assad is fighting for his country, and we are for Kortracts, supplies, influence. The Turkish stream has just been built, there is no north stream yet, which is why they will not.
  • ximkim 19 February 2020 16: 53 New
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    Turkish posts are along the highway. Before Idlib, they all grew like grebes, they don’t want to turn in militants. Yes, yes, militants. By the way. Probably there will be a corridor from Idlib so that peaceful people come out. One thing is interesting, but they will open a corridor? Here is a very interesting ledge to Marat e Nasan. There is exactly what will happen. I think so..
  • Karaul73 19 February 2020 17: 03 New
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    Quote: MoJloT
    But whether the General Staff of Turkey calculated possible losses among the Turkish army is an open question.
    Of course, I calculated, apparently there is a strong belief in a quick operation with small losses, it seems not without a solid one.

    But he didn’t calculate the agreements with Putin?
    Based on your message, Erdogan, as it were, does not take into account the opinion of the Russian Federation at all ..


    And what can Russia oppose Turkey in the event of a war? The supply is problematic, there are relatively few troops. Remains aviation. But there are also enough questions. Turkish air defense is strong. So Erdogan will not particularly look at Russia.
    1. Alexey Sommer 19 February 2020 17: 30 New
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      Turkish air defense is strong.

      Why is it strong?
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      The supply is problematic, there are relatively few troops. Remains aviation. But there are also enough questions. Turkish air defense is strong.

      is it if from the side of Syria, but if from the side of the Black Sea? The radius of the aircraft (the same Tu-22, Su-34, MiG-31 with a dagger) draw?
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        Quote: PSih2097
        Quote: Sentry73
        The supply is problematic, there are relatively few troops. Remains aviation. But there are also enough questions. Turkish air defense is strong.

        is it if from the side of Syria, but if from the side of the Black Sea? The radius of the aircraft (the same Tu-22, Su-34, MiG-31 with a dagger) draw?

        And, if we add more blows with Caliber to this, yes the Bastions will sink the entire Turkish fleet (excellent, by the way, there will be training), and the X-101 missiles will take part from the strategists, and maybe we will also practice with the Daggers, and at the same time we have all of our electronic warfare disconnect then, of course, there’s nothing to be afraid of Turkey))).
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          The bastions will sink the entire Turkish fleet

          purely physically unable, because it’s not like they won’t get to Turkey, if only in Odessa .....
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      Everything is already opposed, do not worry about Russia. Do we be sad. Drawing names on stones this time is not for us. There are much more of them and they are not covered by almost nothing. The times of cavalry and tank wedges have passed. ..)
  • Incvizitor 19 February 2020 17: 14 New
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    The right of the strong is a double-edged sword, you climb on the one who is weaker, then do not be surprised that there is someone stronger who will roll you and the king seems to have beguiled the coast.
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      Well, if I really got it, the news was different for a week now.
  • rruvim 19 February 2020 17: 18 New
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    For the 50th time, I affirm that only the introduction of a "limited" contingent of the Russian Federation’s troops in Syria and in particular in the Idlib province will help to avoid beating the 25th and accompanying formations from the Turkish army. Escort of TSK convoys to the “Turkish observation posts” by the few “tigers” of the Russian military police along the M5 highway will not save the situation, it will also aggravate it. We accompany the mat. part and BP of the Turks in the rear of the SAA.
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      Well, something like this for today http://warsonline.info/siriia/novosti/siriia/idlib-aleppo.html
      1. rruvim 19 February 2020 17: 31 New
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        Or something like this:
        https://syria.liveuamap.com/
    2. 1Alexey 19 February 2020 19: 18 New
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      Escort of TSK convoys to the “Turkish observation posts” by the few “tigers” of the Russian military police along the M5 highway will not save the situation, it will also aggravate it. We accompany the mat. part and BP of the Turks in the rear of the SAA.

      What nonsense ?!

      "Tigers" of the Russian Federation accompany the Turks not to the checkpoints, but rather from the checkpoints to the Turkish border!
      1. rruvim 19 February 2020 21: 32 New
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        “A video of a Damascus-Aleppo highway led by a convoy is led by a Tiger armored car, followed by Turkish Kirpi armored vehicles with special forces and trucks, the military KamAZ of the RF Armed Forces closes the cavalcade.” Blokhin comments on this as “expelling Turkish special forces from checkpoints” to the Turkish border. With the same success I can comment that this action is exactly the opposite.
  • frizzy 19 February 2020 17: 23 New
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    Well, straight 25 Chapaev’s division in GV.Well and to hell with it !!!!
    1. rruvim 19 February 2020 17: 29 New
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      Very similar, but not quite. The Chapaevites fled to the rear of the Kolchak Army as partisans and were not supported by aviation. No ...
    2. Russian_man 20 February 2020 03: 44 New
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      I definitely don’t feel sorry for you. It would be better if you didn’t speak or write Russian at all. But with those guys I would serve ... as much as there already are.
  • frizzy 19 February 2020 17: 23 New
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    Well, straight 25 Chapaev’s division in GV.Well and to hell with it !!!!
  • Pytnik 19 February 2020 17: 29 New
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    including the use of “Points”, which they have not yet put into action.

    Already allowed in the whole deal wink
    1. rruvim 19 February 2020 17: 40 New
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      As I understand it from the sofa: that when there is a war, you can trash waste products not only all the nearest ditches, but also throw under your feet. Ukro-warriors did this with success in the Donbass, and what do Syrian fighters also consider this territory (from where the Tochka-U launch was made) a stranger? Or is it the locals with the Barmalei crap ...
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        That is, the war should be so clean, tidy, right? ) .... At all, you’re already swollen from the “right life”) Never go where it is dirty and swear - you will live longer.
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      Already allowed in the whole deal

      But this is a "clue" to Erdogan. Or as we now like to say - message
  • Karaul73 19 February 2020 17: 31 New
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    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    Quote: Sentry73
    Turkish air defense is strong.

    Why is it strong?

    With 400.
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      Quote: Sentry73
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      Quote: Sentry73
      Turkish air defense is strong.

      Why is it strong?

      With 400.

      First, truncated, and secondly small.
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    And how to do this in conditions of sky closure by the Russian Aerospace Forces?

    Well, Israel and America do something like that, what prevents it?

    That is, first we need to destroy our air defense in Syria, as the States in Iraq did? This is a completely different level of conflict.
    1. PSih2097 19 February 2020 18: 02 New
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      That is, first we need to destroy our air defense in Syria, as the States in Iraq did?

      there, the humpbacks with Shevarnadze were saved - they surrendered the frequencies of our air defense systems delivered to Saddam from the USSR.
    2. 1Alexey 19 February 2020 19: 25 New
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      That is, first we need to destroy our air defense in Syria, as the States in Iraq did? This is a completely different level of conflict.

      At the same time, one should not forget that in Iraq there was a very outdated (even for that time) air defense, in no way comparable to the Syrian one.
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    1. Dave36 19 February 2020 18: 11 New
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      Catch a plus sign ... many questions, many
    2. serzh.kost 19 February 2020 18: 20 New
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      after saying that Assad is killing millions of his citizens, there’s nothing to say. Believe further on your White Helmets! Yes, and the Wagnerites were killed not 216, but 21600!
      yes, the Kremlin can be blamed for being mild-bodied, but small tasks have been accomplished quite large tasks - Syria has been preserved as a state, a little oil, a testing ground for weapons, an outpost on BV. Israel is not threatened by Syrian statehood and the Syrian-Jewish border was handed over without any problems. The United States is losing influence on BV and controls only oil, for the time being.
      Only the son of a bitch remains with the imperial ambitions. here the Kremlin will have to make some reasonable concessions, which we will see.
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        1. serzh.kost 19 February 2020 21: 00 New
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          and white helmets and videos posted and a telephone rogue ... Assad and a brat and his father was a criminal, too, killed his citizens ....

          thanks, laughed laughing in general, trust your censor net further and you will be happy, permogy every day!
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            1. serzh.kost 19 February 2020 21: 16 New
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              you don’t have to take someone’s word for word, but take information from many sources and be able to analyze it. although what am I talking about if a person believes in the infamous white helmets ...
              and capsloc here is not appropriate at all.
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            2. Grits 20 February 2020 01: 30 New
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              WELL DO YOU BELIEVE YOUR CENSORS .. THINK YOU HAPPINESS WILL BE?

              Rudik, calm down already. Go celebrate the anniversary of the glorious victory near Debaltseve over the armored buryat ... Drink vodka, discuss the power of the strongest European army, the taste of the hedgehogs for Muscovites ... But there are more global topics for discussion ....
    3. SASHA OLD 20 February 2020 01: 57 New
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      I realized this when America destroyed 3 Wagnerites in 216 minutes and Russia could not do anything

      do not believe the white helmets then who to believe?

      stop smoking socks
  • SanSanych Gusev 19 February 2020 19: 22 New
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    Well, what are the Syrians withdrawing troops already?
    1. Nastia makarova 20 February 2020 07: 54 New
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      yeah, scared and ran to Damascus
  • Vladimir SHajkin 19 February 2020 19: 22 New
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    I think that Erdogan can’t start a war with Assad
    1. contrary to all agreements,
    2. CAA has already gained its combat experience and also sees this situation,
    3. Yes, and our advisers are there for what?
    4. Now the CAA is behaving restrained towards the Turks, and because there are not enough forces, and because the Americans and because ours are holding back, there are agreements, but ...
    5. how useful is Erdogan, big?
  • Mountain shooter 19 February 2020 19: 26 New
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    A couple of thousand soldiers at three dozen roadblocks. You can certainly block these roadblocks by carefully following them. Well, they don’t attack in such small groups, and even in scattered ways ... They can hurt, but I don’t believe that these people sit there unattended. And with the supply they can have troubles ...
  • GeorgeSev85 19 February 2020 20: 47 New
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    How crave!

    According to the classics ..... "The whole world in Trukh" laughing
  • cat Rusich 19 February 2020 21: 04 New
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    Erdogan can withdraw his troops without loss, but they will not give him back. "Sultan" can "show character" - but this is already a conversation about something that V. Putin will "fit in" with B. Assad (the use of the Russian Air Force and Air Defense) or there will be another "Minsk agreement" ...
  • TatarinSSSR 19 February 2020 23: 08 New
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    The reaction of Russia is very interesting if Turkey starts powerful active military operations against the Syrian army. On the one hand, Russia doesn’t want to get into a military conflict with Turkey, because it means the loss and death of the Russian military. On the other hand, not interfering and allowing the destruction of the already weak Syrian army, giving odds to the militants and turning the other cheek, will be a shame for Russia to the whole world.
  • frolov andrey 19 February 2020 23: 12 New
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    the author wrote nonsense. As a company of soldiers (even reinforced by 3-4 tanks) the division will create the problem, especially in the environment and under surveillance. They will be smeared 100 meters from the entrance and together with the entrance.
    Admins will be slow enough to allow any writing to be written. You read such G and you are distracted from the real, you are wasting time in the empty. Oh, a good word bells and whistles.
    1. Russian_man 20 February 2020 03: 16 New
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      you don’t really understand what the will to win and the soldier’s spirit are, why they are and what are based on, right? ... I'll tell you. The first is a sporting term, the more a judge gave a paw, the higher the will, and the second happens if you take off your shoes on a halt ... You do not deserve a better explanation.
      1. frolov andrey 21 February 2020 08: 56 New
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        I don’t need any explanations that are not logical, like a bunch in the water. I logically wrote everything essentially. Give examples with the consciousness of the EG for those who have it EG. Hints without arguments on the context in the ass.
  • Russian_man 20 February 2020 02: 59 New
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    The last Russo-Turkish war may well be very short-lived. Personally, I have not needed Turkey as a country for a very long time. It will be more useless if they sell to someone else, then what they are going to fight themselves. Even worse is to do with those who want to intervene ... from the sea, such as imperceptibly. They need to make a national catastrophe ... it's time to do just that.
  • Sergst 20 February 2020 08: 24 New
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    And how to do this in conditions of sky closure by the Russian Aerospace Forces?

    It is very simple to open this sky with the help of 200 Turkish aircraft. Here along the way, many people think that the Turks have aviation like Lithuania - 2 corn kernels.

    Once again, this will not be a direct conflict with Syria, but with Russia. And the consequences for everyone will also be completely different.
    So far, a possible solution is as follows: the Syrian aria leaves Idlib, but the airspace of Russia will control the abandoned territory, perhaps together with the Turkish forces and the militants will not be there. Not a good solution? Yes, but avoids a serious conflict. Everything - IMHO
  • Shteffan 20 February 2020 13: 39 New
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    The Syrian army should have reserves for such unexpected people to stop such threats. What are they digging in? One region cannot be taken by the whole army. There they should have thrown them with some caps.