Military Watch: F-15EX fighter will be able to defeat Su-35 in the Indian tender only with the help of sanctions


The fierce struggle for the Indian market, promising tidy sums, forces Western publications to critically interpret the potential of American military equipment, comparing it with Russian products. Military Watch tried to figure out if the F-15EX could compete with the Su-35. The victory in the tender for the acquisition of 114 multi-functional fighters largely depends on the answer to this question. For them, New Delhi is ready to give $ 12 billion.


Fighting Benefits


Both the F-15EX and Su-35 are twin-engine structures adapted for operations at high altitudes, both have a large flight range necessary to penetrate the enemy airspace and deliver a wide range of ammunition designed to destroy both air and ground targets .

However, the F-15 has the advantage of a higher speed, capable of reaching Mach 2,5, while the Su-35 is limited to about Mach 2,25.

The radar of both machines (Irbis-E and AN / APG-82) are advanced products. But the Su-35 radar is considered more powerful: it detects a fighter target at a distance of over 400 km (stealth more than 80 km) and is capable of simultaneously tracking up to 30 air targets and hitting up to eight of them. At the same time, the cross-section of the radar of the Su-35 is one third less than that of the F-15, which gives the Russian aircraft an advantage in stealth.

The Su-35 can be equipped with a R-37M hypersonic missile, which has a long flight range of 400 km, high maneuverability, a speed of 6 Machs and very powerful sensors. F-15s rely on missiles flying at Mach 4,5 - the obsolete AIM-120C with a range of 105 km or more advanced AIM-120D, which hits 180 km.

In long-range combat, the advantages of the Su-35 become undeniable. F-15EX has a much more massive design with a lower ratio of traction and weight, which allows the Su-35 to outrun it without stress. However, the three-dimensional thrust vector, characteristic of the F-15EX engines, will allow you to surpass the Su-35 at short distances.

Although both the F-15EX and the Su-35 are largely comparable, the advantages of the Su-35 both in range and in close combat are very significant

- concludes the publication in terms of performance characteristics of two machines.



Sanctions will help us


No less important are the technological advantages provided by the purchase of the Su-35. This aircraft is similar in design to the Su-30MKI, which is in the Indian service. In the case of the transfer of appropriate technologies, this will allow to “pull up” the existing “Dryers” to the level of “4 ++”. This argument F-15 can not boast: American fighters are not in service with the country's air force.

The only way to effectively influence New Delhi is the possibility of sanctioning the country, the newspaper said.

Although the advantages of the Su-35 are huge, the choice in favor of its American counterpart as part of a politically motivated purchase remains a significant opportunity.

- summarizes the Military Watch.

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    1. Lord of the Sith 19 February 2020 15: 37 New
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      You stop it, edit the last word, if you do not want to get a banhammer from admins.
      Although it’s true.
      1. tlauicol 19 February 2020 15: 50 New
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        On this site, only our Russians knock on admins, I didn’t notice this from the Jews
        1. Lord of the Sith 19 February 2020 15: 54 New
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          Let those who tapped then unsubscribe, then look at the ethnic composition.
          Aron below, for example, is unhappy.

          And in general, chauvinism and xenophobia are not welcome here.
          1. tlauicol 19 February 2020 15: 56 New
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            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            Let those who tapped then unsubscribe, then we'll see.

            Ingenious. Thought for a long time?
            1. Lord of the Sith 19 February 2020 15: 58 New
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              At least I think I wouldn’t engage the participant in a pointless argument.

              Do you have anything to say on the topic about the Indian tender?
              1. tlauicol 19 February 2020 16: 48 New
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                Quote: Lord of the Sith
                At least I think I wouldn’t engage the participant in a pointless argument.

                Do you have anything to say on the topic about the Indian tender?

                Well, so long thought then, before dash off four stupid comments not on sabzh?
                1. Lord of the Sith 19 February 2020 16: 50 New
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                  Ingenious. Thought for a long time? laughing

                  And on the topic of conversation from you is not a word ...
                  1. krot 19 February 2020 21: 32 New
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                    The F-15EX has a much more massive design with a lower thrust to weight ratio, which allows the Su-35 to overtake it without any tension. However, the three-dimensional thrust vector characteristic of the F-15EX engines will make it possible to surpass the Su-35 at short distances.

                    Either I don’t understand something in aircraft construction, and I studied in vain for 4 years, or there’s some kind of crap!
                    Three-dimensional - i.e. along the axes: "x", "y", "z", respectively, this is a variable thrust vector! How can it affect the speed characteristics of an airplane, and speed gain? The thrust-weight ratio does not depend on this in any way! Yes, and if memory serves me right, on the dryer a variable traction vector is present, and even unsurpassed! what
        2. ultra 19 February 2020 16: 12 New
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          What does it mean to “knock?” If someone offends on the site in one form or another they ban everyone and that’s right.
          1. tlauicol 19 February 2020 16: 51 New
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            Admins cannot read all comments, sometimes tens of thousands a day. Jews do not press the "complain" button, and ours, all the time, feel impunity
            1. lucul 19 February 2020 18: 18 New
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              Admins cannot read all comments, sometimes tens of thousands a day. Jews do not press the "complain" button, and ours, all the time, feel impunity

              Another lie - everything is exactly the opposite))))
              1. krot 19 February 2020 21: 35 New
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                Quote: Tlauicol
                Admins cannot read all comments, sometimes tens of thousands a day. Jews do not press the "complain" button, and ours, all the time, feel impunity
                Reply

                Are you a Jew or "ours"? laughing
                1. lucul 19 February 2020 21: 38 New
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                  Are you a Jew or "ours"?

                  Yes, he is a stranger among his own and his own among strangers)))
      2. Sergey39 19 February 2020 16: 01 New
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        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        You, stop it, edit the last word

        In this case, it is not a nationality. This is a field of activity.
        1. Lord of the Sith 19 February 2020 16: 04 New
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          This is of course yes, I agree. But American financial and political bigwigs are neither nationality nor gender. This must also be taken into account.
      3. rotkiv04 19 February 2020 17: 08 New
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        The last word is a literary term, not an insult, and many people call them that.
      4. lucul 19 February 2020 18: 24 New
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        In long-range combat, the advantages of the Su-35 become undeniable. F-15EX has a much more massive design with a lower ratio of traction and weight, which allows the Su-35 to outrun it without stress. However, the three-dimensional thrust vector, characteristic of the F-15EX engines, will allow you to surpass the Su-35 at short distances.

        Here the author, most likely, confused the planes in some places. Due to the higher maximum speed, the F-15 has an advantage over long distances, and the Su-35 due to the deflected thrust vector has a short advantage.
        Well, of course, if missiles are not taken into account ....
        1. Operator 19 February 2020 18: 43 New
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          Quite right - the UVT is equipped only with the Su-35.
      5. Andrey Mikhaylov 19 February 2020 21: 14 New
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        Admins here are very interesting, and I want to ask them a question, who are you working for .............?
        1. krot 20 February 2020 09: 30 New
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          Admins here are very interesting, and I want to ask them a question, who are you working for .............?

          I agree with you here completely!
    2. Invoce 19 February 2020 15: 38 New
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      Russia in January 2020 reduced its investment in Amer currency to less than $ 9 billion. All contracts with India are signed in rubles. If there is a solution, then warranty service, return and export of the advertised property will be carried out through Russian airlines. for the equivalent of $ 15 billion, you can fight yes
      1. Nikolay3 19 February 2020 15: 54 New
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        But XNUMXD traction control vectorcharacteristic of the F-15EX engines, will allow to surpass the Su-35 at short distances.

        Author! What is it? From the ship to the ball. Like February 23rd has not come yet? wassat
        1. Kurare 19 February 2020 17: 04 New
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          Quote: Nikolay3
          Like February 23rd has not come yet?

          And what, February 23rd is celebrated in the USA? laughing Otherwise, with what fright did he make such a “gift” to the F-15EX?
    3. Aaron Zawi 19 February 2020 15: 44 New
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      Quote: Sergey39
      Clear business. The dollar is the main weapon of the Washington Jews.

      And you Nazi unfinished cry. Maybe someone will regret you.
      1. Sergey39 19 February 2020 16: 04 New
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        This does not apply to the nation, but to financial tycoons announcing sanctions. He did not offend anyone.
        1. rotkiv04 19 February 2020 17: 12 New
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          Why are you being overwhelmed?
      2. Berber 19 February 2020 16: 17 New
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        Aron do not respond to "it" is not worth it.
      3. Rusland 19 February 2020 17: 54 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Sergey39
        Clear business. The dollar is the main weapon of the Washington Jews.

        And you Nazi unfinished cry. Maybe someone will regret you.

        Come on, let them, but not of goat origin, is it easier or simpler for you? wink
      4. sharp-lad 19 February 2020 22: 37 New
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        Aron, not all Jews are Jews, like not all Jews are Jews! He is a Jew and a Tobago Jew! smile hi
      5. bobba94 19 February 2020 23: 18 New
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        And I went to the site, read the comments and I don’t understand why it was all aroused. Finally, I read with Aron what the point is. In my opinion, you should not get so excited, here all the men are normal and adequate, I just accidentally went to the site and a flying chushpan and scratched it like a fence. I personally never pay attention to such freaks.
    4. ultra 19 February 2020 16: 09 New
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      Quote: Sergey39
      The dollar is the main weapon of the Washington Jews.

      Regardless of your attitude towards Jews, do not stoop to insults.
      1. Alexey Sommer 19 February 2020 17: 36 New
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        Continuous flood.
        Admins, where are you looking?
    5. figwam 19 February 2020 16: 11 New
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      However, the three-dimensional controlled thrust vector, characteristic of the F-15EX engines, will allow you to surpass the Su-35 at short distances.

      Then I did not understand where the Su-35 thrust-controlled thrust vector disappeared into?
  2. Thrifty 19 February 2020 15: 36 New
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    The Hindus, as always, will dance, blackmail, then they will start thinking about who needs more kickbacks, and how else can they brainwash them while they think about whether to buy these models, is it time to completely change the conditions of the tender. ..
    1. Berber 19 February 2020 16: 20 New
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      To accept the "eagle" is too obvious stupidity for the Indians. But if this happens, ours must draw far-reaching conclusions - India is floating away from us.
  3. Operator 19 February 2020 15: 37 New
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    "Su-35 is limited to approximately 2,25 Mach"- yes yes yes laughing
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      Fat 19 February 2020 16: 09 New
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      Quote: Operator
      "Su-35 is limited to approximately 2,25 Mach"- yes yes yes laughing

      Yes Yes.
      I did not understand the article at all
      Such a mess as Uncle Fedor’s letter to his parents. And shaggy increased and the tail falls off)))
    2. Boa kaa 19 February 2020 17: 10 New
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      Quote: Operator
      "Su-35 is limited to approximately 2,25 Mach",

      The author pulled this data out of Wiki ... But he 35 modestly lowered the fact that XNUMX has an afterburner sound ... And then, he would look at the load on the wing and the thrust-weight ratio of the machines before writing nonsense about Eagle's maneuverability!
      even Boeing engineers admitted that the F-15EX fighter still does not have enough maneuverability for the Su-30 and Su-35 ...
      https://army-news.ru/2019/03/f-15ex-ssha-skopirovali-ne-tolko-kalash-no-i-su-35/
    3. Grigory_45 19 February 2020 18: 12 New
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      "Su-35 is limited to about 2,25 Mach", - oh well

      McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle - 2660 km / h (M = 2,5)
      Su-35S - 2450 km / h (M = 2,25)

      but in terms of acceleration and rate of climb, drying has a slight advantage
      1. Operator 19 February 2020 18: 40 New
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        The speed of 2,25M Su-35 develops at an altitude of 11 km. On a practical ceiling of 20 km, the speed is over 2,5 M - the thrust of the Su-35 with a normal take-off weight of 25 tons is like a fool of a shag (28 tons).

        Those. at maximum speed, it can still climb and accelerate.
  4. CAT BAIYUN 19 February 2020 15: 38 New
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    The only way to effectively influence New Delhi is to sanction the country.

    Alas .. Striped dogs are already in the open press. So this is an established and entrenched mode of action. But qualitative characteristics cannot be replaced by sanctions.
    But something tells me that if the Indians “break down”, they will not only get a worse airplane, but as a result, they will also be rehabilitated with sanctions a bit later. They will find for what ....
    So does it make sense to fear sanctions?
    And who needs such news for that kind of money?
    1. Berber 19 February 2020 16: 24 New
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      So does it make sense to fear sanctions?[u] [/ u]
      The USA is pushing us wherever they can. The dollar must be felled completely. And when they are at our feet - do not spare in any case. These creatures do not know gratitude.
      1. ROSS_51 19 February 2020 21: 13 New
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        Quote: BerBer
        So does it make sense to fear sanctions?[u] [/ u]
        The USA is pushing us wherever they can. The dollar must be felled completely. And when they are at our feet - do not spare in any case. These creatures do not know gratitude.

        Will the dollar be at our feet? Fell the dollar? Central channels revised?
        Half of the civilized world holds its cash reserves in US Treasury securities (yes, yes, these are the notorious $ 20 trillion of public debt, from which the US financial empire will fall apart (about 30 years ago). And they, stupid, all buy and buy these papers.
        I’m never an economist, but you need to know the basics .. Or you don’t feel like brainwashing makes you feel light in your head, everything is clear, clearly and on the shelves and from the influx of patriotism into your head and such thoughts appear: -We are like woo hats! We will overwhelm the largest economy in the world! On my knees I said creatures are ungrateful !!! We won’t spare you!
        1. Paranoid50 19 February 2020 23: 21 New
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          Quote: ROSS_51
          Half of the civilized world

          laughing laughing laughing
          Quote: ROSS_51
          holds its cash reserves in US Treasury securities

          As if they have a choice. However, these are their problems. And by the way, the investments of the Russian Federation in mattress harlots currently make up less than 9 billion dead presidents. And a few years ago there were about one hundred billion.
          Quote: ROSS_51
          I’m never an economist,

          Yes, it’s understandable, Adams Smith rarely drop in here.
          Quote: ROSS_51
          like brainwashing

          Well, I started for health, but in the end I almost got hysterical. fellow Thoroughly, thoroughly ... yes
          1. ROSS_51 20 February 2020 00: 18 New
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            Quote: Paranoid50

            Well, I started for health, but in the end I almost got hysterical. fellow Thoroughly, thoroughly ... yes

            A few years ago, it is up to CrimeaNash-ah..so say so.
            There was a threat that these 100 yards would be frozen by sanctions, and they brought it out (where is it interesting? In Russian rubles? As if we have a choice).
            The Chinese won over 2 trillion American money — now (actually, also for several years) they don’t know who to merge it, they are trying to buy everything around the world, they won’t get a kick for that.
            No, far from hysteria. Over the years, the outward manifestation of stupidity has become more restrained.
            But here is squeamishness ..
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              Quote: ROSS_51
              To Russian rubles?

              But Betty, it’s so simple ... (c) laughing Gold - did not hear, no?
              Quote: ROSS_51
              far to hysteria.

              Anything can happen. request
              1. ROSS_51 21 February 2020 16: 50 New
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                Quote: Paranoid50

                But Betty, it’s so simple ... (c) laughing Gold - did not hear, no?

                Well, naturally gold ... (as you and Betty are simple, it’s enviable).
                Because there is simply no alternative to US papers in the world.
                True, gold is good as an anti-crisis and anti-sanction pillow, but it does not contribute to the normal development of export-import relations (ratings fly off).
        2. Berber 20 February 2020 14: 45 New
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          Eck you sorted it out.
          We must admit the fact that there is a war going on against us. Not fighting, but people are dying. Perestroika and subsequent reforms reduced our population by a number comparable to the losses of the Second World War. And since the war, then we must win.
          But it is, my perception.
          And about the economy, the dollar is a beautiful piece of paper that allows you to pump out resources from around the world. But its value is created, not at the expense of the American economy. The real sector of the US economy is falling, as is the use of the dollar in international payments in the world. They have to print new, unsecured money. And now the question is - do you think this can be done endlessly?
          But here is squeamishness ..[i] [/ i] and about this - get off the pedestal, be simpler it doesn’t paint anyone.
          1. ROSS_51 22 February 2020 00: 56 New
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            Quote: BerBer
            Eck you sorted it out.
            We must admit the fact that there is a war going on against us.

            Yes, it’s not a war. This is genocide in latent form.
            Quote: BerBer
            And since the war, then we must win.
            But it is, my perception.

            Your perception tells you how to win? Willful effort?
            Yes, we are trying to create an alternative world, all sorts of BRICS, Asian Unions, etc., through third parties we are buying up sanctions technologies and equipment for crazy money (for us), but in fact, we are going into a dead defense (including stupidly merging working capital into gold ) and yet we beat slow down. Very much. Everything else is just a matter of time. Because in the allies we have the same "friends"-invalids. China does not take into account this "friend" will soon become more terrible than any enemies.
            Quote: BerBer
            And about the economy, the dollar is a beautiful piece of paper that allows you to pump out resources from around the world. But its value is created, not at the expense of the American economy. The real sector of the US economy is falling, as is the use of the dollar in international payments in the world. They have to print new, unsecured money. And now the question is - do you think this can be done endlessly?

            You yourself answered your own question - if a piece of paper is not from the world of economics, but is the hardest world currency, then why not do it endlessly. If there is a demand?
            1. Berber 26 February 2020 13: 14 New
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              Infinitely it doesn’t work out from the word well, NEVER, but they really want to extend this "holiday of life". This is a "freebie", and it corrupts both people and the state. They really need to go on a diet, and there is no strength to reverse the need. And the longer this "holiday" lasts for them, the worse. The bad news is that globalization has already taken place and the future crisis will affect everyone.
    2. Boa kaa 19 February 2020 16: 42 New
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      Quote: CAT BAYUN
      if the Indians “break”, then they will not only get a worse airplane, but as a result,

      the infrastructure for servicing the Eagle will need to be sculpted, and more than 250 Su-30MKI units will no longer be upgraded to the level of 35 aircraft ... India has also received a license to produce an additional 140 fighters until 2020, 2009 SU-98MKI for 30. They are also in the ship version. And F-15, if you don’t tell a car, you can’t attach it to Vikrant or Vikramadity ...
      So the brahmanas really need to think carefully before making a “deal with the devil”!
  5. Pivot 19 February 2020 15: 38 New
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    Let the strongest or the cunning win in this tender.
    1. orionvitt 19 February 2020 16: 03 New
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      But what about the "market decides everything"? Or, "the best products are always always in a better position"? Extra evidence that "free market relations" is an idle talk. Only power.
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        Of course, power is everything
    2. Boa kaa 19 February 2020 16: 50 New
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      Quote: Pivot
      Let the strongest or the cunning win in this tender.

      The "strongest" will win, if the most honest and wise chooses, and if they choose to entrust the most loyal with the most corrupt, then the "most cunning" will win.
  6. Lamata 19 February 2020 15: 42 New
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    Well so. how good it is to drag politics dirty into business. Democrats.
    1. Fat
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      Quote: Lamata
      Well so. how good it is to drag politics dirty into business. Democrats.

      Republicans!
      The elephant party, and even in the china shop))))
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        Donkey will not be better !!! Clintonsha, fear in the chair of the president.
  7. Reserve buildbat 19 February 2020 15: 44 New
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    What nonsense ... 2,5M in the F-15 is only in the brochures. Really no more than 2M. Heavier and weaker since the time of F-15A))). I can’t say anything about missile weapons - I don’t know, but the R-37s on the Su-35 are in doubt. On the radar - F-15 far in the opera, whatever one may say. By maneuverability - let's not compare the swallow and the brick.
    1. Nikolay3 19 February 2020 16: 10 New
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      Quote: stock buildbat
      I can’t say anything about missile weapons - I don’t know, but the R-37s on the Su-35 are in doubt.

      You confuse RVV-BD R-37 with RVV-BD R-37M. These are two big differences.
    2. tomket 19 February 2020 16: 51 New
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      Quote: stock buildbat
      oh nonsense ... 2,5M in F-15 only in brochures. Really no more than 2M

      Quote: stock buildbat
      oh nonsense ... 2,5M in F-15 only in brochures. Really no more than 2M

      Along the way, the article was written from Wikipedia, because there the speed of the Su-35 is 2,25m, and at the "corner of the sky" 2,35m
      1. nks
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        https://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/aircraft/lineup/military/su-35/#aircraft-specific
    3. 3danimal 19 February 2020 18: 55 New
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      What are the reasons to believe that the radar on the latest versions of the F15 "in ..ope"? AN / APG-69v4 with AFAR, are there many in the world in the ranks?
      Overload up to 9 units, reliable engines.
      Good characteristics, with the right tactics and a large flying time for pilots, are a formidable weapon.
  8. voyaka uh 19 February 2020 15: 45 New
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    The main claim of the Indians to the Su-30 is an insufficient engine resource. 2/3 of the park are half-dismantled.
    Therefore, they jerked toward single-engine aircraft.
    With the F-16 of the last Block, you can fly the entire service life on the "native" engine.
    F-15 and Su-30 are approximately equal in capabilities. But the F-15 engines are more durable.
    1. Eugene-Eugene 19 February 2020 15: 49 New
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      So we are talking about the Su-35 with AL-41
    2. Proton 19 February 2020 15: 52 New
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      This is where they became so equal from? When it became equal swift and sparrow? laughing
    3. urik62 19 February 2020 15: 56 New
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      Hand-handed Indians can pull any engine
      1. voyaka uh 19 February 2020 15: 58 New
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        The fact is that the flight time of the Indians is high. In Russia they fly less. Therefore, engine wear is less noticeable.
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      With the F-16 of the last Block, you can fly the entire service life on the "native" engine.

      F-16 on its engine flies off exactly before the first meeting with the Su-35.
      1. voyaka uh 19 February 2020 16: 10 New
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        Not sure ... The Su-35, of course, has advantages in speed and climb. But the radar, avionics in the latest F-16 Blocks are very advanced. He knows how to confidently aim explosive missiles from an average distance.
        IR means of warning about enemy missiles were also tested. The Su-35 pilot will have to strain pretty hard to fill up the F-16. recourse
        1. Tuzik 19 February 2020 16: 13 New
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          But the radar, avionics of the latest F-16 Blocks are very advanced

          Alexei, the article says that Irbis-E is cooler than AN / APG-82, but Irbis is a PFAR, and the striped AFAR is widely praised. How do you explain this?
          1. voyaka uh 19 February 2020 16: 27 New
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            AFAR is a flexible radar. It can be used simultaneously in several modes. But it is much more expensive, it warms more - you need a sophisticated cooling system.
            In oncoming air combat, when radars are cut at full power, both are approximately equal. But when you need to use stealth when approaching, or at the same time monitor the air and the ground - AFAR has significant advantages.
            1. Tuzik 19 February 2020 16: 33 New
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              As I understand it, you do not agree with this: "the Su-35 radar is considered more powerful"
              and this: "At the same time, the cross-section of the radar of the Su-35 is one third less than that of the F-15, which gives the Russian aircraft an advantage in stealth."
              Thank you
            2. kit88 19 February 2020 17: 02 New
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              Irbis has a detection range of Eagle 300 km. In the opposite direction, Eagle sees Sushka only 150 km away.
              The American AFAR does not have a mechanical turnaround; at angles greater than 60 degrees the Eagle does not see anything at all, and Sushka has an overview of 240 degrees.
              So the AFAR is certainly cool, but it is not devoid of structurally inherent flaws.
              1. Grigory_45 19 February 2020 18: 49 New
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                Irbis has a detection range of Eagle 300 km

                and how do you explain such characteristics of an aircraft radar? 300 km for a target with an ESR of 3 m² is almost an S-300 air defense system, and the air defense antenna surface is an order of magnitude larger (the diameter of the Irbis antenna is only 900 mm) and the energy potential is incomparably larger (for Irbis - 5 kW, and up to 20 kW per pulse) ??? Maybe Irbis provides the limit parameters in only one mode, say, with a narrow viewing angle?
                1. kit88 19 February 2020 19: 12 New
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                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  and what do you explain

                  And nothing.
                  We are simple people, we work with a ballpoint pen. TTX opened, looked, there, white and black 300 km.
                  Now, if you are standing with a pencil and standing behind a kulman - then you will explain to us where such figures come from.
                  And how is the wave in the waveguides?
                  PS / Although it is better not to.
                  hi
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                    Quote: kit88
                    And nothing.
                    We are simple people .... opened, looked, there in white and black
                    here the people went, no critical or analytical thinking. They were told - they believed. Do you understand that the characteristics are always indicated for a particular mode? For example, the moment and power of the same engine that is under the hood of your car - for such and such specific revolutions. And max. power and max torque at rpm do not match. Is the analogy clear?

                    People have completely forgotten how to think. Soon he will begin to believe what they write on the fences ...
                    1. kit88 19 February 2020 20: 20 New
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                      Gregory, I didn’t even understand where the people went there?
                      You paint your analogies with generation-Z machines.
                      And then express your thoughts more specifically.
                      If you think that everyone has in their hands documentation on the RLPK of the Air Force of the Russian Federation, then I will disappoint you - this is not so. We use open sources.
                      And leave your questions with sub-marks for others.
                      I immediately informed you that I did not have more specific information than I had already voiced, and suggested that you clarify the situation if you possess such knowledge.
                      I have something to say on the subject - I will listen to you with pleasure.
                      If you want to be smart, then it's better to consider the conversation over.
                      PS / By the way, I didn’t start to sculpt you.
                      hi
                      1. Grigory_45 19 February 2020 20: 53 New
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                        Quote: kit88
                        Want to be smart

                        opposite. You started in such a tone that it seemed that the documentation for the radar was really in your hands) So I wanted to know the opinion of a competent person

                        Once upon a time, this topic - the Irbis range - was already discussed. And, as far as I remember, 300 km is for a narrow scanning sector and peak power, in the absence of organized interference, in the faculty and against the sky.

                        If the scanning sector is wide, then the characteristics fall: up to 200 km in the TPS and the above conditions for the target with an ESR of 3 sq. M, up to 80 km in the TPS. If the target is against the background of the earth, the range is reduced to 160 km. If there is organized interference, it is even smaller.

                        But the radar is still good, the most powerful of those installed on fighters
                2. Hexenmeister 20 February 2020 09: 14 New
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                  it’s almost an S-300 air defense missile system ... has an order of magnitude larger dimensions ... an incomparably greater energy potential

                  Your mistake is that the energy potential of this SAM is much lower !!! Do not confuse power and energy. Detection range depends on the ENERGY signal. Energy of course depends on power, but not only on it. Therefore, having the same radar power can radiate signals with different energies, and the detection range when using these signals will be different. And the second conclusion is that one radar can have less power than the other, but emit a signal of greater energy than the opponent, which, all other things being equal, will give a greater detection range!
              2. Nikolay3 19 February 2020 19: 45 New
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                The main tactical and technical characteristics of the radar "Irbis-E":
                Frequency range: 8-12 GHz.
                Detection range of air targets with EPR = 3 m2:
                - 400 km in the front hemisphere;
                - 80 km in the rear hemisphere.
                Detection range of ground targets with EPR = 3000 m2: 500 km.
                Detection range of ground targets with EPR = 50 m2: 150 km.
                Azimuth viewing area: ± 120o.
                Angle of view: ± 60o.
                Number of simultaneously tracked targets: 30.
                The number of simultaneously attacked targets of air targets: 8.
                Average power of the emitted signal: 5 kW. Antenna Type: HEADLIGHT.
                1. kit88 19 February 2020 19: 51 New
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                  The idea is clear.
                  For the Needle took 1 sq.m.
                  1. Nikolay3 19 February 2020 20: 14 New
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                    Quote: kit88
                    For the Needle took 1 sq.m.

                    They took a little. EPR F-15S is 12 square meters. meters, and the F-15EX EPR about
                    3 square meters.
              3. lucul 19 February 2020 21: 28 New
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                The American AFAR does not have a mechanical turnaround; at angles greater than 60 degrees the Eagle does not see anything at all, and Sushka has an overview of 240 degrees.

                Not everyone understands this - for many, for understanding, you need to present a visual picture in the sky, preferably three-dimensional)))
                Only then they have a reaction ....
              4. Uncle Izya 19 February 2020 22: 30 New
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                This is what is written on the wiki you can only guess
            3. Hexenmeister 19 February 2020 17: 07 New
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              Only there, not “at the same time”, but a sequential “switching” of signal emission cycles for air and ground targets. And in the characteristics of the Irbis there is the possibility of tracking ground targets while maintaining an overview of the airspace.
              1. voyaka uh 19 February 2020 17: 29 New
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                "Only there is not" at the same time ", but a sequential" switch "///
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                It is simultaneous, parallel operation. AFAR can be divided into several full-fledged radars (radiation - reception) operating simultaneously. At different powers and frequencies.
                1. Hexenmeister 19 February 2020 17: 37 New
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                  Only process how you will all this after the antenna? Several receiving channels are needed, but they are not there! Can you imagine what a single receiving radar channel is?
                  1. voyaka uh 19 February 2020 18: 15 New
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                    AFAR each element (and there are hundreds of them) is like an independent, full-fledged radar. Comp unites them into groups dynamically for different purposes. Each group can operate at its own frequency and with its own power.
                    1. Hexenmeister 20 February 2020 09: 01 New
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                      Yeah, the comp divides the entire array of elements of the lattice web into groups, as a result in each group there is neither a normal radiation pattern, nor a normal antenna gain, nor a detection range, all this when compared with the case when the entire web is involved. Great solution!
                      1. voyaka uh 20 February 2020 13: 51 New
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                        "Great solution!" ////
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                        The solution is really great.
                        The software has completely solved the possible problems that you pointed out.
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                        This can not be fixed by software methods; you can never get big characteristics from a small antenna!
          2. ultra 19 February 2020 17: 11 New
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            There are no advantages in the "stealth" of the radar. As soon as at least afar, even Pfar, even a slotted plane is immediately detected.
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              "There are no advantages to the" stealth of the "radar" ///
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              There is. And huge. And only with AFAR.
              Therefore, everyone who can, switched to it.
              1. ultra 19 February 2020 17: 36 New
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                What is the "stealth" of the radar with AFAR? Can you read the textbook on physics, the section on the propagation of electromagnetic waves in various environments. laughing
                1. voyaka uh 19 February 2020 17: 48 New
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                  Work on pseudo-random frequencies. The plane is lost in the general background from various frequencies and is not direction finding.
                  1. ultra 19 February 2020 17: 51 New
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                    Work on pseudo-random frequency

                    Everything is clear. Go discuss with Gridasov. laughing
                  2. user1212 19 February 2020 20: 29 New
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                    Do not smack nonsense, it hurts
              2. Andrey.AN 19 February 2020 17: 45 New
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                in fact, there is no background radiation sufficient to detect at a radio horizon at operating altitudes of any radar, and the AFAR scanning beam will not bypass the direction-finding station.
          3. Andrey.AN 20 February 2020 11: 43 New
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            The main disadvantage of AFAR is that its radio horizon is limited by the line of sight, due to interference addition of the beam, and the AFAR will be more perishable, there is just a wave.
      2. figwam 19 February 2020 16: 22 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        The Su-35 pilot will have to strain pretty hard to fill up the F-16.

        Do not tell, it will slam like a flea.
      3. 3danimal 19 February 2020 19: 55 New
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        That's right, and in the oncoming battle, there will be losses on both sides. Much will depend on the tactics and training hours of the pilots.
      4. Uncle Izya 19 February 2020 22: 28 New
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        Oh well, you’re not a su-35 avionics developer, only developers know about it, you can only assume
    5. 3danimal 19 February 2020 19: 03 New
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      This is not serious. When you want to at least somehow block a serious lack of reliability, with a lack of arguments negative
      1. figwam 19 February 2020 19: 09 New
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        Quote: 3danimal
        This is not serious.

        Start learning aviation.
        1. 3danimal 19 February 2020 19: 56 New
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          Is it more specific? I know, for example, that the F-16 is the most massive aircraft of 4 generations. And he has a lot of combat applications.
  9. Nikolay3 19 February 2020 16: 09 New
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    F-15 and Su-30 are approximately equal in capabilities.

    Warrior! Su-35 refers to super maneuverable aircraft due to engines with a controlled thrust vector, and the aircraft F-15TX not a super-maneuverable aircraft - he has engines without a controlled thrust vector.
    1. voyaka uh 19 February 2020 16: 17 New
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      There is an important nuance that Americans know. According to the teachings of Red Flag.
      The thrust vector can be changed at a speed of no more than 0.5 MAX. If the Su-35 slows down, know that the next moment it will dive sharply. And "disappear." The Americans take this Su feature into account in their team tactics.
      1. Andrey.AN 19 February 2020 17: 53 New
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        and if he doesn’t dive, or dives in the wrong direction, unless they themselves slow down when maneuvering, then he can maneuver somewhere to dive, or even freeze.
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          "Don't they slow down themselves by maneuvering" ///
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          No. F-15 pilots are taught not to reduce speed below 0.9 MAX. And do not lower the height in air battles. According to statistics, fighters were shot down by explosives when they reduced speed. For this reason, the Americans refused nozzles with a variable thrust vector (they flew such in the form of experiments).
          They whip up each other in groups and write turns at high speed.
          1. Andrey.AN 19 February 2020 18: 16 New
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            that means they have limitations that the Su-35 does not have, and the Su-35 is much more free to maneuver. After all, this fighter is not in itself, it must either attack someone, or protect the client, but if the client is slow? Then the Americans are in the pope.
            1. voyaka uh 19 February 2020 18: 23 New
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              If the client is slow, then there are no enemy fighters, then the F-15s will fly at the speed of the client, and entering the air battle they will accelerate and will no longer slow down, writing circles. But, in general, you are right, the Su-35 has a more flexible battle mode: both at high speeds and at low speeds. good
              1. g1washntwn 20 February 2020 10: 39 New
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                Quote: voyaka uh
                F-15s will fly at the client’s speed, and when entering a dogfight, they will accelerate and will no longer reduce speed by writing circles.

                Not even for the pilot, weird tactics. It’ll work against a cannon dump, but it’s violet for modern missiles, they are all-perspective. Given the general transition to wide-angle detection and other helmet-mounted target designation, I do not see what a gentle slightly faster turn will save from capture / launch / defeat. Only fast entry-exit from the battle with the transfer of the target to other groups? And if it is dogfight? Explain the meaning?
            2. Uncle Izya 19 February 2020 22: 57 New
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              Like the su-35 integrated circuit built in the b-15 only decent electronic filling
      2. user1212 19 February 2020 21: 03 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        Red Flag

        Quote: voyaka uh
        Su-35

        Indicate where, besides your imagination, these two names intersected? When did the Su35C take part in RF?
  10. lucul 19 February 2020 21: 19 New
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    With the F-16 of the last Block, you can fly the entire service life on the "native" engine.

    You want to say that the F-16 was not made for war? )))
    Fighter aircraft - exaggerated can be compared with Formula 1 cars. There engine life was - only 300 km (1 race and the motor for scrap). You increase the motor resource of the motor - all the indicators of the motor are sharply reduced - and power and torque and speed. And the more you increase the engine's engine life, the more all the characteristics decrease.
    So in F-16 - a large motor resource means - not all juices are squeezed out of the engine, but not far ....
  • 501Legion 19 February 2020 15: 47 New
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    Amer mongrel can only sanction not good competition
    1. 3danimal 19 February 2020 19: 05 New
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      So you need to have diplomatic influence, many allies and a comparable economy in size, then the sanctions will not be particularly sensitive.
  • ultra 19 February 2020 16: 04 New
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    . "" "However, the three-dimensional controlled thrust vector, characteristic of the F-15EX engines, will allow you to surpass the Su-35 at short distances." "" belay
    This, can anyone translate me?
    1. voyaka uh 19 February 2020 16: 22 New
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      The F-15EX does not have such an engine. And the other F-15s, too.
      1. Avior 19 February 2020 19: 20 New
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        In addition to the experimental once upon a time.
  • aranzon1913 19 February 2020 16: 21 New
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    Afraid of sanctions - C400 not see. Sooner or later you have to choose.
    1. 3danimal 19 February 2020 19: 08 New
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      I would suggest to all partners, companies that are facing sanctions to compensate for their losses. Say, a contract with the Russian Federation for 1 billion, and losses due to sanctions 6. No question, we pay you all 6 billion. The country is rich, enough for everyone.
      It is only necessary to cancel pensions ...
  • Shahno 19 February 2020 16: 23 New
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    Quote: Tlauicol
    On this site, only our Russians knock on admins, I didn’t notice this from the Jews

    May the Jews not knock. Our colleagues will do it for us. Well ... is a bad word. My great-great-grandfather was exiled to him for him in Tomsk .. Otherwise, he would have lived in Krakow.
    1. Avior 19 February 2020 17: 30 New
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      How so? Everyone can be sent for this word in Krakow, this is an ordinary word of the Polish language
    2. lucul 19 February 2020 21: 07 New
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      May the Jews not knock. Our colleagues will do it for us. Well ... is a bad word. My great-great-grandfather was exiled to him for him in Tomsk .. Otherwise, he would have lived in Krakow.

      I respect it for that.
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    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    Do you have anything to say on the topic about the Indian tender?

    I’ll tell you that the F-15 didn’t lie under the fence, it’s also a decent car! Service will decide everything, but we don’t have to teach the Americans. classmates. hi
    1. figwam 19 February 2020 17: 12 New
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      and old, from the 80s -F-15- they are classmates.

      The first flight in 1972, the development of the late 60s.
  • Diver 19 February 2020 16: 48 New
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    Well xs. The Hindus have once “gone wrong” on the Su-30MKI against the F-15C in the same Red Flag ...
    1. ultra 19 February 2020 17: 18 New
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      Quote: Diver
      Well xs. The Hindus have once “gone wrong” on the Su-30MKI against the F-15C in the same Red Flag ...

      The Red Flag exercises do not count. In the exercises with the Singapore Air Force, the Indians nullified F-16C 10-0 to zero.
      1. Diver 19 February 2020 17: 22 New
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        To understand who merged, it is not necessary to count. Your KO.
        They did not "take out" anyone there in France. Or proof to the studio.
        1. ultra 19 February 2020 17: 49 New
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          To begin with, f-16D represented Singapore in France. Look for the proofs yourself. You didn’t post yours.
          1. Diver 19 February 2020 18: 54 New
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            My proofs are known to everyone who heard about that Red Flag.
            There are no proofs, because 10-0 are the tales of the Russian media.
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              What is the red flag in France ??? Garuda can?
    2. Jack O'Neill 19 February 2020 18: 08 New
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      Well xs. The Hindus have once “gone wrong” on the Su-30MKI against the F-15C in the same Red Flag ...


      This is the time when young lieutenants flew against the Indians, and with a restriction in height and armament (only AIM-9M), when, as the Indians were not connected in any way neither in height nor in arms, they flew on their territory, but at the same time they merged a third fights (3: 1)?
      1. Diver 19 February 2020 19: 00 New
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        This is the Red Flag in Nevada. When at first the Indians constantly stood idle due to unrepairable engines, expecting new ones from India. And then the Americans perceived all this "incredible" super maneuverability when large и heavy The Su-30MKI simply lost speed and altitude on these "supermaneuvers" (and since Kozhedub, speed and altitude are the life of a fighter) and was an uncomplicated target for amers.
        1. Jack O'Neill 19 February 2020 19: 28 New
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          And then the Americans perceived all this “incredible” super-maneuverability, when the large and heavy Su-30MKI simply lost speed and altitude on these “super-maneuvers” (and since Kozhedub, speed and altitude are the life of a fighter) and represented an uncomplicated target for amers.

          Physics - there is physics, no arguing against it.
          Who has energy, he won! It's funny, but Eagle at high speeds has better maneuverability both vertically and horizontally than the Su-27/30. Su-27/30, on the contrary, have advantages at low speeds, but are greatly substituted for those who have more energy.
          the Americans had long heard this, and the Indians only cemented this fact.
  • V.I.P. 19 February 2020 16: 55 New
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    India has a tender for a light fighter, there is a desire to buy a 5th generation airplane ... .... They open another tender for a heavy twin-engine 4 generation ?????
  • Zaurbek 19 February 2020 17: 13 New
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    F15 in size and weight is less than Su27 and 35 .... the radar performance is controversial .... there is a new AFAR. The range of weapons is much wider .... as well as the possibility of exchanging data with other systems
  • bars1 19 February 2020 17: 24 New
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    PFAR is a weak link of the Su-35, so what to hide ....
    1. Diver 19 February 2020 17: 28 New
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      And what is the weakness? Just because PFAR? Characteristics of the same. Even in comparison with AFARs.
      1. Imperial Technocrat 19 February 2020 19: 04 New
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        The Su-35 is not a PFAR, but a passively active phased antenna array
    2. Andrey.AN 19 February 2020 18: 09 New
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      VFAR is a strong link, in the active radar mode, VFAR has a less powerful radiation signal with more sensitive reception (the receiving antenna is not magnetized), in the passive AFAR mode it does not work at all, and VFAR works.
  • Shahno 19 February 2020 17: 49 New
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    Quote: Avior
    How so? Everyone can be sent for this word in Krakow, this is an ordinary word of the Polish language

    So it happened. .. It was said. The great-great-grandfather was offended well and had a fight while laughing ..
  • Grigory_45 19 February 2020 18: 06 New
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    F-15E

    pretty serious car. The new aircraft, electronic warfare systems and all-round visibility, radar with AFAR, can carry up to 22 air-to-air missiles

    15D thrust vector specific to FEX engines
    - What was the author accepting? Since when did the General Electric F110 motor have a controlled thrust vector ???
  • Shahno 19 February 2020 18: 09 New
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    Quote: Gregory_45
    F-15E

    pretty serious car. The new aircraft, electronic warfare systems and all-round visibility, radar with AFAR, can carry up to 22 air-to-air missiles

    15D thrust vector specific to FEX engines
    - What was the author accepting? Since when did the General Electric F110 motor have a controlled thrust vector ???

    Well, you all understand that he accepted.
    Explicit cockeret Su 35.
  • Shahno 19 February 2020 18: 10 New
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    Quote: Shahno
    Quote: Gregory_45
    F-15E

    pretty serious car. The new aircraft, electronic warfare systems and all-round visibility, radar with AFAR, can carry up to 22 air-to-air missiles

    15D thrust vector specific to FEX engines
    - What was the author accepting? Since when did the General Electric F110 motor have a controlled thrust vector ???

    Well, you all understand that he accepted.
    Explicit cockeret Su 35.

    Modestly but tastefully.
  • lucul 19 February 2020 18: 20 New
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    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Sergey39
    Clear business. The dollar is the main weapon of the Washington Jews.

    And you Nazi unfinished cry. Maybe someone will regret you.

    So this is not a nationality - but a state of mind)))
  • Shahno 19 February 2020 18: 58 New
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    Quote: 3danimal
    What are the reasons to believe that the radar on the latest versions of the F15 "in ..ope"?

    None. Only the desire to beat the enemy ..
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    However, the three-dimensional thrust vector characteristic of the F-15EX engines will allow you to surpass the Su-35 at short distances

    What kind of nonsense? On the neighbors, Sushka-35 also cuts this American nutty nutty
  • Lekz 19 February 2020 20: 39 New
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    Cabbage is good, but you need to have meat snacks in the house (c). Why am I? When the time comes for a decision, Trump will appear with his sanctions. Dancing with songs will begin with a clear result. Too oily piece.
  • Vlad5307 19 February 2020 21: 02 New
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    Yes, what kind of competition - the Americans will pocket a certain amount in dollars in the pocket of their people in the Indian army and government and immediately find a bunch of flaws in the Su-35. There are enough "patriots" lured by them. hi
    1. Avior 19 February 2020 21: 22 New
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      And Russians, therefore, are not trained?
  • Constanty 19 February 2020 23: 38 New
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    I do not agree with the thesis from the title of the article - the F-15EX will be able to defeat the Su-35 in the Indian tender, not only with the help of sanctions - it is only necessary (for example, in India), the right bribe wink
  • garik77 20 February 2020 01: 26 New
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    You can start talks with Pakistan over the SU-35, or even sell a small batch. Kmk a very effective argument in the bidding will be
  • 3danimal 23 February 2020 23: 26 New
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    About R-37M: heavy long-range super-maneuverable missile laughing
    The main goal is low-maneuverable AWACS aircraft. And the price is many times higher than that of the analog AIM-120.
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    But did the F-15 have more speed than the SU-35 did not understand?