Military Watch: F-15EX fighter will be able to defeat Su-35 in the Indian tender only with the help of sanctions

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The fierce struggle for the Indian market, promising tidy sums, forces Western publications to critically interpret the potential of American military equipment, comparing it with Russian products. Military Watch tried to figure out if the F-15EX could compete with the Su-35. The victory in the tender for the acquisition of 114 multi-functional fighters largely depends on the answer to this question. For them, New Delhi is ready to give $ 12 billion.

Fighting Benefits


Both the F-15EX and Su-35 are twin-engine structures adapted for operations at high altitudes, both have a large flight range necessary to penetrate the enemy airspace and deliver a wide range of ammunition designed to destroy both air and ground targets .



However, the F-15 has the advantage of a higher speed, capable of reaching Mach 2,5, while the Su-35 is limited to about Mach 2,25.

The radar of both machines (Irbis-E and AN / APG-82) are advanced products. But the Su-35 radar is considered more powerful: it detects a fighter target at a distance of over 400 km (stealth more than 80 km) and is capable of simultaneously tracking up to 30 air targets and hitting up to eight of them. At the same time, the cross-section of the radar of the Su-35 is one third less than that of the F-15, which gives the Russian aircraft an advantage in stealth.

The Su-35 can be equipped with a R-37M hypersonic missile, which has a long flight range of 400 km, high maneuverability, a speed of 6 Machs and very powerful sensors. F-15s rely on missiles flying at Mach 4,5 - the obsolete AIM-120C with a range of 105 km or more advanced AIM-120D, which hits 180 km.

In long-range combat, the advantages of the Su-35 become undeniable. F-15EX has a much more massive design with a lower ratio of traction and weight, which allows the Su-35 to outrun it without stress. However, the three-dimensional thrust vector, characteristic of the F-15EX engines, will allow you to surpass the Su-35 at short distances.

Although both the F-15EX and the Su-35 are largely comparable, the advantages of the Su-35 both in range and in close combat are very significant

- concludes the publication in terms of performance characteristics of two machines.



Sanctions will help us


No less important are the technological advantages provided by the purchase of the Su-35. This aircraft is similar in design to the Su-30MKI, which is in the Indian service. In the case of the transfer of appropriate technologies, this will allow to “pull up” the existing “Dryers” to the level of “4 ++”. This argument F-15 can not boast: American fighters are not in service with the country's air force.

The only way to effectively influence New Delhi is the possibility of sanctioning the country, the newspaper said.

Although the advantages of the Su-35 are huge, the choice in favor of its American counterpart as part of a politically motivated purchase remains a significant opportunity.

- summarizes the Military Watch.

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      1. +15
        19 February 2020 15: 37
        You stop it, edit the last word, if you do not want to get a banhammer from admins.
        Although it’s true.
        1. -9
          19 February 2020 15: 50
          On this site, only our Russians knock on admins, I didn’t notice this from the Jews
          1. +6
            19 February 2020 15: 54
            Let those who tapped then unsubscribe, then look at the ethnic composition.
            Aron below, for example, is unhappy.

            And in general, chauvinism and xenophobia are not welcome here.
            1. -4
              19 February 2020 15: 56
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              Let those who tapped then unsubscribe, then we'll see.

              Ingenious. Thought for a long time?
              1. +9
                19 February 2020 15: 58
                At least I think I wouldn’t engage the participant in a pointless argument.

                Do you have anything to say on the topic about the Indian tender?
                1. -5
                  19 February 2020 16: 48
                  Quote: Lord of the Sith
                  At least I think I wouldn’t engage the participant in a pointless argument.

                  Do you have anything to say on the topic about the Indian tender?

                  Well, so long thought then, before dash off four stupid comments not on sabzh?
                  1. +5
                    19 February 2020 16: 50
                    Ingenious. Thought for a long time? laughing

                    And on the topic of conversation from you is not a word ...
                    1. +11
                      19 February 2020 21: 32
                      The F-15EX has a much more massive design with a lower thrust to weight ratio, which allows the Su-35 to overtake it without any tension. However, the three-dimensional thrust vector characteristic of the F-15EX engines will make it possible to surpass the Su-35 at short distances.

                      Either I don’t understand something in aircraft construction, and I studied in vain for 4 years, or there’s some kind of crap!
                      Three-dimensional - i.e. along the axes: "x", "y", "z", respectively, this is a variable thrust vector! How can it affect the speed of the aircraft, and the speed gain? The thrust-to-weight ratio does not depend on this in any way! And if my memory serves me, there is a variable thrust vector on drying, and even unsurpassed! what
          2. +8
            19 February 2020 16: 12
            What does "knock" mean? If someone offends on the site in one form or another, they ban everyone and that's right.
            1. -9
              19 February 2020 16: 51
              Admins cannot read all comments, sometimes tens of thousands a day. Jews do not press the "complain" button, and ours are all too often, they feel impunity
              1. +2
                19 February 2020 18: 18
                Admins cannot read all comments, sometimes tens of thousands a day. Jews do not press the "complain" button, and ours are all too often, they feel impunity

                Another lie - everything is exactly the opposite))))
                1. +3
                  19 February 2020 21: 35
                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  Admins cannot read all comments, sometimes tens of thousands a day. Jews do not press the "complain" button, and ours are all too often, they feel impunity
                  Reply

                  Are you a Jew or "our"? laughing
                  1. +2
                    19 February 2020 21: 38
                    Are you a Jew or "our"?

                    Yes, he is a stranger among his own and his own among strangers)))
        2. +3
          19 February 2020 16: 01
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          You, stop it, edit the last word

          In this case, it is not a nationality. This is a field of activity.
          1. +5
            19 February 2020 16: 04
            This is of course yes, I agree. But American financial and political bigwigs are neither nationality nor gender. This must also be taken into account.
        3. -4
          19 February 2020 17: 08
          The last word is a literary term, not an insult, and many people call them that.
        4. 0
          19 February 2020 18: 24
          In long-range combat, the advantages of the Su-35 become undeniable. F-15EX has a much more massive design with a lower ratio of traction and weight, which allows the Su-35 to outrun it without stress. However, the three-dimensional thrust vector, characteristic of the F-15EX engines, will allow you to surpass the Su-35 at short distances.

          Here the author, most likely, confused the planes in some places. Due to the higher maximum speed, the F-15 has an advantage over long distances, and the Su-35 due to the deflected thrust vector has a short advantage.
          Well, of course, if missiles are not taken into account ....
          1. +5
            19 February 2020 18: 43
            Quite right - the UVT is equipped only with the Su-35.
        5. -1
          19 February 2020 21: 14
          Admins here are very interesting, and I want to ask them a question, who are you working for .............?
          1. 0
            20 February 2020 09: 30
            Admins here are very interesting, and I want to ask them a question, who are you working for .............?

            I agree with you here completely!
      2. +10
        19 February 2020 15: 38
        Russia in January 2020 reduced its investment in Amer currency to less than $ 9 billion. All contracts with India are signed in rubles. If there is a solution, then warranty service, return and export of the advertised property will be carried out through Russian airlines. for the equivalent of $ 15 billion, you can fight Yes
        1. +15
          19 February 2020 15: 54
          But XNUMXD traction control vectorcharacteristic of the F-15EX engines, will allow to surpass the Su-35 at short distances.

          Author! What is it? From the ship to the ball. Like February 23rd has not come yet? wassat
          1. +3
            19 February 2020 17: 04
            Quote: Nikolay3
            Like February 23rd has not come yet?

            And what, February 23rd is celebrated in the USA? laughing Otherwise, with what fright did he make such a "gift" to the F-15EX?
      3. +2
        19 February 2020 15: 44
        Quote: Sergey39
        Clear business. The dollar is the main weapon of the Washington Jews.

        And you Nazi unfinished cry. Maybe someone will regret you.
        1. +1
          19 February 2020 16: 04
          This does not apply to the nation, but to financial tycoons announcing sanctions. He did not offend anyone.
          1. 0
            19 February 2020 17: 12
            Why are you being overwhelmed?
        2. +3
          19 February 2020 16: 17
          Aaron don't react to "it" is not worth it.
        3. +5
          19 February 2020 17: 54
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: Sergey39
          Clear business. The dollar is the main weapon of the Washington Jews.

          And you Nazi unfinished cry. Maybe someone will regret you.

          Come on, let them, but not of goat origin, is it easier or simpler for you? wink
        4. 0
          19 February 2020 22: 37
          Aron, not all Jews are Jews, like not all Jews are Jews! He is a Jew and a Tobago Jew! smile hi
        5. 0
          19 February 2020 23: 18
          And I went to the site, read the comments and I don’t understand why it was all aroused. Finally, I read with Aron what the point is. In my opinion, you should not get so excited, here all the men are normal and adequate, I just accidentally went to the site and a flying chushpan and scratched it like a fence. I personally never pay attention to such freaks.
      4. +4
        19 February 2020 16: 09
        Quote: Sergey39
        The dollar is the main weapon of the Washington Jews.

        Regardless of your attitude towards Jews, do not stoop to insults.
        1. -4
          19 February 2020 17: 36
          Continuous flood.
          Admins, where are you looking?
      5. +11
        19 February 2020 16: 11
        However, the three-dimensional controlled thrust vector, characteristic of the F-15EX engines, will allow you to surpass the Su-35 at short distances.

        Then I did not understand where the Su-35 thrust-controlled thrust vector disappeared into?
    2. 0
      19 February 2020 15: 36
      The Hindus, as always, will dance, blackmail, then they will start thinking about who needs more kickbacks, and how else can they brainwash them while they think about whether to buy these models, is it time to completely change the conditions of the tender. ..
      1. +1
        19 February 2020 16: 20
        To accept the "eagle" is too obvious foolishness for the Indians. But if this happens, ours need to make far-reaching conclusions - India is drifting away from us.
    3. +8
      19 February 2020 15: 37
      "Su-35 capped at Mach 2,25"- yes yes yes laughing
      1. Fat
        +12
        19 February 2020 16: 09
        Quote: Operator
        "Su-35 capped at Mach 2,25"- yes yes yes laughing

        Yes Yes.
        I did not understand the article at all
        Such a mess as Uncle Fedor’s letter to his parents. And shaggy increased and the tail falls off)))
      2. +10
        19 February 2020 17: 10
        Quote: Operator
        "Su-35 is capped at Mach 2,25",

        The author pulled this data out of Wiki ... But he 35 modestly lowered the fact that XNUMX has an afterburner sound ... And then, he would look at the load on the wing and the thrust-weight ratio of the machines before writing nonsense about Eagle's maneuverability!
        even Boeing engineers admitted that the F-15EX fighter still does not have enough maneuverability for the Su-30 and Su-35 ...
        https://army-news.ru/2019/03/f-15ex-ssha-skopirovali-ne-tolko-kalash-no-i-su-35/
      3. -1
        19 February 2020 18: 12
        Quote: Operator
        "Su-35 is capped at Mach 2,25" - oh well

        McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle - 2660 km / h (M = 2,5)
        Su-35S - 2450 km / h (M = 2,25)

        but in terms of acceleration and rate of climb, drying has a slight advantage
        1. +7
          19 February 2020 18: 40
          The speed of 2,25M Su-35 develops at an altitude of 11 km. On a practical ceiling of 20 km, the speed is over 2,5 M - the thrust of the Su-35 with a normal take-off weight of 25 tons is like a fool of a shag (28 tons).

          Those. at maximum speed, it can still climb and accelerate.
    4. +6
      19 February 2020 15: 38
      The only way to effectively influence New Delhi is to sanction the country.

      Alas .. Striped dogs are already in the open press. So this is an established and entrenched mode of action. But qualitative characteristics cannot be replaced by sanctions.
      But, something tells me that if the Indians "break", they will not only get a worse plane, but as a result they will be brought up a little later with sanctions. Find for what ...
      So does it make sense to fear sanctions?
      And who needs such news for that kind of money?
      1. +6
        19 February 2020 16: 24
        So does it make sense to fear sanctions?[u] [/ u]
        The USA is pushing us wherever they can. The dollar must be felled completely. And when they are at our feet - do not spare in any case. These creatures do not know gratitude.
        1. -2
          19 February 2020 21: 13
          Quote: BerBer
          So does it make sense to fear sanctions?[u] [/ u]
          The USA is pushing us wherever they can. The dollar must be felled completely. And when they are at our feet - do not spare in any case. These creatures do not know gratitude.

          Will the dollar be at our feet? Fell the dollar? Central channels revised?
          Half of the civilized world holds its cash reserves in US Treasury securities (yes, yes, these are the notorious $ 20 trillion of public debt, from which the US financial empire will fall apart (about 30 years ago). And they, stupid, all buy and buy these papers.
          I’m never an economist, but you need to know the basics .. Or you don’t feel like brainwashing makes you feel light in your head, everything is clear, clearly and on the shelves and from the influx of patriotism into your head and such thoughts appear: -We are like woo hats! We will overwhelm the largest economy in the world! On my knees I said creatures are ungrateful !!! We won’t spare you!
          1. +4
            19 February 2020 23: 21
            Quote: ROSS_51
            Half of the civilized world

            laughing laughing laughing
            Quote: ROSS_51
            holds its cash reserves in US Treasury securities

            As if they have a choice. However, these are their problems. And by the way, the investments of the Russian Federation in mattress harlots currently make up less than 9 billion dead presidents. And a few years ago there were about one hundred billion.
            Quote: ROSS_51
            I’m never an economist,

            Yes, it’s understandable, Adams Smith rarely drop in here.
            Quote: ROSS_51
            like brainwashing

            Well, I started for health, but in the end I almost got hysterical. fellow Thoroughly, thoroughly ... Yes
            1. -1
              20 February 2020 00: 18
              Quote: Paranoid50

              Well, I started for health, but in the end I almost got hysterical. fellow Thoroughly, thoroughly ... Yes

              A few years ago, it is up to CrimeaNash-ah..so say so.
              There was a threat that these 100 yards would be frozen by sanctions, and they brought it out (where is it interesting? In Russian rubles? As if we have a choice).
              The Chinese won over 2 trillion American money — now (actually, also for several years) they don’t know who to merge it, they are trying to buy everything around the world, they won’t get a kick for that.
              No, far from hysteria. Over the years, the outward manifestation of stupidity has become more restrained.
              But here is squeamishness ..
              1. +2
                20 February 2020 00: 24
                Quote: ROSS_51
                To Russian rubles?

                But Betty, it’s so simple ... (c) laughing Gold - did not hear, no?
                Quote: ROSS_51
                far to hysteria.

                Anything can happen. request
                1. 0
                  21 February 2020 16: 50
                  Quote: Paranoid50

                  But Betty, it’s so simple ... (c) laughing Gold - did not hear, no?

                  Well, naturally gold ... (as you and Betty are simple, it’s enviable).
                  Because there is simply no alternative to US papers in the world.
                  True, gold is good as an anti-crisis and anti-sanction pillow, but it does not contribute to the normal development of export-import relations (ratings fly off).
          2. 0
            20 February 2020 14: 45
            Eck you sorted it out.
            We must admit the fact that there is a war going on against us. Not fighting, but people are dying. Perestroika and subsequent reforms reduced our population by a number comparable to the losses of the Second World War. And since the war, then we must win.
            But it is, my perception.
            And about the economy, the dollar is a beautiful piece of paper that allows you to pump out resources from around the world. But its value is created, not at the expense of the American economy. The real sector of the US economy is falling, as is the use of the dollar in international payments in the world. They have to print new, unsecured money. And now the question is - do you think this can be done endlessly?
            But here is squeamishness ..[i] [/ i] and about this - get off the pedestal, be simpler it doesn’t paint anyone.
            1. 0
              22 February 2020 00: 56
              Quote: BerBer
              Eck you sorted it out.
              We must admit the fact that there is a war going on against us.

              Yes, it’s not a war. This is genocide in latent form.
              Quote: BerBer
              And since the war, then we must win.
              But it is, my perception.

              Your perception tells you how to win? Willful effort?
              Yes, we are trying to create an alternative world, all sorts of BRICS, Asian Unions, etc., through third parties we are buying up sanctions technologies and equipment for crazy money (for us), but in fact, we are going into a dead defense (including stupidly merging working capital into gold ) and yet we beat slow down. Very much. Everything else is just a matter of time. Because in our allies we have the same "friends" who are disabled. We do not take China into account, this "friend" will soon become more terrible than any enemies.
              Quote: BerBer
              And about the economy, the dollar is a beautiful piece of paper that allows you to pump out resources from around the world. But its value is created, not at the expense of the American economy. The real sector of the US economy is falling, as is the use of the dollar in international payments in the world. They have to print new, unsecured money. And now the question is - do you think this can be done endlessly?

              You yourself answered your own question - if a piece of paper is not from the world of economics, but is the hardest world currency, then why not do it endlessly. If there is a demand?
              1. 0
                26 February 2020 13: 14
                Infinitely it will not work from the word "well, IN ANY WAY, but they really want to prolong this" holiday of life ". This is a "freebie", and it corrupts both people and states. They really need to go on a diet, and there is no strength to reverse the needs. And the longer this "holiday" lasts for them, the worse. The bad news is that globalization has already taken place and the future crisis will affect everyone.
      2. +4
        19 February 2020 16: 42
        Quote: KOT BYUN
        if the Indians "break", they will not only get a worse plane, but as a result they will also

        the infrastructure for servicing the Eagle will need to be sculpted, and more than 250 Su-30MKI units will no longer be upgraded to the level of 35 aircraft ... India has also received a license to produce an additional 140 fighters until 2020, 2009 SU-98MKI for 30. They are also in the ship version. And F-15, if you don’t tell a car, you can’t attach it to Vikrant or Vikramadity ...
        So the brahmanas need to think very much before making a "deal with the devil"!
    5. -2
      19 February 2020 15: 38
      Let the strongest or the cunning win in this tender.
      1. +8
        19 February 2020 16: 03
        But how does the "market decide everything"? Or, "the best products are always in a better position"? Additional proof that "free market relations" is idle chatter. Only strength.
        1. 0
          19 February 2020 16: 08
          Of course, power is everything
      2. +2
        19 February 2020 16: 50
        Quote: Pivot
        Let the strongest or the cunning win in this tender.

        The "strongest" will win, if the honest and wisest will choose, and if the choice is entrusted to the loyal with the most corrupt, then the "cunning" will win.
    6. +1
      19 February 2020 15: 42
      Well so. how good it is to drag politics dirty into business. Democrats.
      1. Fat
        +1
        19 February 2020 16: 14
        Quote: Lamata
        Well so. how good it is to drag politics dirty into business. Democrats.

        Republicans!
        The elephant party, and even in the china shop))))
        1. 0
          19 February 2020 17: 45
          Donkey will not be better !!! Clintonsha, fear in the chair of the president.
    7. +12
      19 February 2020 15: 44
      What nonsense ... 2,5M in the F-15 is only in the brochures. Really no more than 2M. Heavier and weaker since the time of F-15A))). I can’t say anything about missile weapons - I don’t know, but the R-37s on the Su-35 are in doubt. On the radar - F-15 far in the opera, whatever one may say. By maneuverability - let's not compare the swallow and the brick.
      1. +4
        19 February 2020 16: 10
        Quote: Stroibat stock
        I can’t say anything about missile weapons - I don’t know, but the R-37s on the Su-35 are in doubt.

        You confuse RVV-BD R-37 with RVV-BD R-37M. These are two big differences.
      2. +1
        19 February 2020 16: 51
        Quote: Stroibat stock
        oh nonsense ... 2,5M in F-15 only in brochures. Really no more than 2M

        Quote: Stroibat stock
        oh nonsense ... 2,5M in F-15 only in brochures. Really no more than 2M

        Along the way, the article was written from Wikipedia, because there the speed of the Su-35 is 2,25m, and in the "corner of the sky" 2,35m
        1. nks
          0
          20 February 2020 00: 33
          https://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/aircraft/lineup/military/su-35/#aircraft-specific
      3. -1
        19 February 2020 18: 55
        What are the reasons to believe that the radar on the latest versions of the F15 "in ..ope"? AN / APG-69v4 with AFAR, are there many in the world in the ranks?
        Overload up to 9 units, reliable engines.
        Good characteristics, with the right tactics and a large flying time for pilots, are a formidable weapon.
    8. -11
      19 February 2020 15: 45
      The main claim of the Indians to the Su-30 is an insufficient engine resource. 2/3 of the park are half-dismantled.
      Therefore, they jerked toward single-engine aircraft.
      The F-16 of the last Block can fly the entire service life on the "native" engine.
      F-15 and Su-30 are approximately equal in capabilities. But the F-15 engines are more durable.
      1. +10
        19 February 2020 15: 49
        So we are talking about the Su-35 with AL-41
      2. +8
        19 February 2020 15: 52
        This is where they became so equal from? When it became equal swift and sparrow? laughing
      3. +2
        19 February 2020 15: 56
        Hand-handed Indians can pull any engine
        1. -2
          19 February 2020 15: 58
          The fact is that the flight time of the Indians is high. In Russia they fly less. Therefore, engine wear is less noticeable.
      4. -2
        19 February 2020 16: 01
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The F-16 of the last Block can fly the entire service life on the "native" engine.

        F-16 on its engine flies off exactly before the first meeting with the Su-35.
        1. +1
          19 February 2020 16: 10
          Not sure ... The Su-35, of course, has advantages in speed and climb. But the radar, avionics in the latest F-16 Blocks are very advanced. He knows how to confidently aim explosive missiles from an average distance.
          IR means of warning about enemy missiles were also tested. The Su-35 pilot will have to strain pretty hard to fill up the F-16. recourse
          1. +4
            19 February 2020 16: 13
            Quote: voyaka uh
            But the radar, avionics of the latest F-16 Blocks are very advanced

            Alexei, the article says that Irbis-E is cooler than AN / APG-82, but Irbis is a PFAR, and the striped AFAR is widely praised. How do you explain this?
            1. +6
              19 February 2020 16: 27
              AFAR is a flexible radar. It can be used simultaneously in several modes. But it is much more expensive, it warms more - you need a sophisticated cooling system.
              In oncoming air combat, when radars are cut at full power, both are approximately equal. But when you need to use stealth when approaching, or at the same time monitor the air and the ground - AFAR has significant advantages.
              1. +5
                19 February 2020 16: 33
                As I understand it, you do not agree with this: "the Su-35 radar is considered more powerful"
                and this: "At the same time, the cross-section of the radar of the Su-35 is one third less than that of the F-15, which gives the Russian aircraft an advantage in stealth."
                Thank you
              2. +14
                19 February 2020 17: 02
                Irbis has a detection range of Eagle 300 km. In the opposite direction, Eagle sees Sushka only 150 km away.
                The American AFAR does not have a mechanical turnaround; at angles greater than 60 degrees the Eagle does not see anything at all, and Sushka has an overview of 240 degrees.
                So the AFAR is certainly cool, but it is not devoid of structurally inherent flaws.
                1. -2
                  19 February 2020 18: 49
                  Quote: kit88
                  Irbis has a detection range of Eagle 300 km

                  and how do you explain such characteristics of an aircraft radar? 300 km for a target with an ESR of 3 m² is almost an S-300 air defense system, and the air defense antenna surface is an order of magnitude larger (the diameter of the Irbis antenna is only 900 mm) and the energy potential is incomparably larger (for Irbis - 5 kW, and up to 20 kW per pulse) ??? Maybe Irbis provides the limit parameters in only one mode, say, with a narrow viewing angle?
                  1. +7
                    19 February 2020 19: 12
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    and what do you explain

                    And nothing.
                    We are simple people, we work with a ballpoint pen. TTX opened, looked, there, white and black 300 km.
                    Now, if you are standing with a pencil and standing behind a kulman - then you will explain to us where such figures come from.
                    And how is the wave in the waveguides?
                    PS / Although it is better not to.
                    hi
                    1. +2
                      19 February 2020 19: 59
                      Quote: kit88
                      And nothing.
                      We are simple people .... opened, looked, there in white and black
                      here the people went, no critical or analytical thinking. They were told - they believed. Do you understand that the characteristics are always indicated for a particular mode? For example, the moment and power of the same engine that is under the hood of your car - for such and such specific revolutions. And max. power and max torque at rpm do not match. Is the analogy clear?

                      People have completely forgotten how to think. Soon he will begin to believe what they write on the fences ...
                      1. +7
                        19 February 2020 20: 20
                        Gregory, I didn’t even understand where the people went there?
                        You paint your analogies with generation-Z machines.
                        And then express your thoughts more specifically.
                        If you think that everyone has in their hands documentation on the RLPK of the Air Force of the Russian Federation, then I will disappoint you - this is not so. We use open sources.
                        And leave your questions with sub-marks for others.
                        I immediately informed you that I did not have more specific information than I had already voiced, and suggested that you clarify the situation if you possess such knowledge.
                        I have something to say on the subject - I will listen to you with pleasure.
                        If you want to be smart, then it's better to consider the conversation over.
                        PS / By the way, I didn’t start to sculpt you.
                        hi
                        1. +1
                          19 February 2020 20: 53
                          Quote: kit88
                          Want to be smart

                          opposite. You started in such a tone that it seemed that the documentation for the radar was really in your hands) So I wanted to know the opinion of a competent person

                          Once upon a time, this topic - the Irbis range - was already discussed. And, as far as I remember, 300 km is for a narrow scanning sector and peak power, in the absence of organized interference, in the faculty and against the sky.

                          If the scanning sector is wide, then the characteristics fall: up to 200 km in the TPS and the above conditions for the target with an ESR of 3 sq. M, up to 80 km in the TPS. If the target is against the background of the earth, the range is reduced to 160 km. If there is organized interference, it is even smaller.

                          But the radar is still good, the most powerful of those installed on fighters
                  2. 0
                    20 February 2020 09: 14
                    it’s almost an S-300 air defense missile system ... has an order of magnitude larger dimensions ... an incomparably greater energy potential

                    Your mistake is that the energy potential of this SAM is much lower !!! Do not confuse power and energy. Detection range depends on the ENERGY signal. Energy of course depends on power, but not only on it. Therefore, having the same radar power can radiate signals with different energies, and the detection range when using these signals will be different. And the second conclusion is that one radar can have less power than the other, but emit a signal of greater energy than the opponent, which, all other things being equal, will give a greater detection range!
                2. 0
                  19 February 2020 19: 45
                  The main tactical and technical characteristics of the radar "Irbis-E":
                  Frequency range: 8-12 GHz.
                  Detection range of air targets with EPR = 3 m2:
                  - 400 km in the front hemisphere;
                  - 80 km in the rear hemisphere.
                  Detection range of ground targets with EPR = 3000 m2: 500 km.
                  Detection range of ground targets with EPR = 50 m2: 150 km.
                  Azimuth viewing area: ± 120o.
                  Angle of view: ± 60o.
                  Number of simultaneously tracked targets: 30.
                  The number of simultaneously attacked targets of air targets: 8.
                  Average power of the emitted signal: 5 kW. Antenna Type: HEADLIGHT.
                  1. +6
                    19 February 2020 19: 51
                    The idea is clear.
                    For the Needle took 1 sq.m.
                    1. 0
                      19 February 2020 20: 14
                      Quote: kit88
                      For the Needle took 1 sq.m.

                      They took a little. EPR F-15S is 12 square meters. meters, and the F-15EX EPR about
                      3 square meters.
                3. +2
                  19 February 2020 21: 28
                  The American AFAR does not have a mechanical turnaround; at angles greater than 60 degrees the Eagle does not see anything at all, and Sushka has an overview of 240 degrees.

                  Not everyone understands this - for many, for understanding, you need to present a visual picture in the sky, preferably three-dimensional)))
                  Only then they have a reaction ....
                4. 0
                  19 February 2020 22: 30
                  This is what is written on the wiki you can only guess
              3. +5
                19 February 2020 17: 07
                Only there, not "simultaneously", but sequential "switching" of signal emission cycles for air and ground targets. And in the characteristics of the Irbis there is the possibility of tracking ground targets while maintaining an overview of the airspace.
                1. +1
                  19 February 2020 17: 29
                  "Only there not" simultaneously ", but sequential" switching "///
                  -----
                  It is simultaneous, parallel operation. AFAR can be divided into several full-fledged radars (radiation - reception) operating simultaneously. At different powers and frequencies.
                  1. +3
                    19 February 2020 17: 37
                    Only process how you will all this after the antenna? Several receiving channels are needed, but they are not there! Can you imagine what a single receiving radar channel is?
                    1. +2
                      19 February 2020 18: 15
                      AFAR each element (and there are hundreds of them) is like an independent, full-fledged radar. Comp unites them into groups dynamically for different purposes. Each group can operate at its own frequency and with its own power.
                      1. 0
                        20 February 2020 09: 01
                        Yeah, the comp divides the entire array of elements of the lattice web into groups, as a result in each group there is neither a normal radiation pattern, nor a normal antenna gain, nor a detection range, all this when compared with the case when the entire web is involved. Great solution!
                        1. +1
                          20 February 2020 13: 51
                          "Great solution!" ////
                          ----
                          The solution is really great.
                          The software has completely solved the possible problems that you pointed out.
                        2. 0
                          20 February 2020 13: 58
                          This can not be fixed by software methods; you can never get big characteristics from a small antenna!
              4. +3
                19 February 2020 17: 11
                There are no advantages in the "stealth" of the radar. As soon as the afar, even the firefight, or even the slotted plane is turned on, it will be immediately detected.
                1. -4
                  19 February 2020 17: 31
                  "There is no advantage in the" stealth "of the radar ///
                  ---
                  There is. And huge. And only with AFAR.
                  Therefore, everyone who can, switched to it.
                  1. +5
                    19 February 2020 17: 36
                    What is the "stealth" of a radar with AFAR? Maybe you can reread a textbook on physics, a section on the propagation of electromagnetic waves in various media. laughing
                    1. 0
                      19 February 2020 17: 48
                      Work on pseudo-random frequencies. The plane is lost in the general background from various frequencies and is not direction finding.
                      1. +5
                        19 February 2020 17: 51
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Work on pseudo-random frequency

                        Everything is clear. Go discuss with Gridasov. laughing
                      2. 0
                        19 February 2020 20: 29
                        Do not smack nonsense, it hurts
                  2. +1
                    19 February 2020 17: 45
                    in fact, there is no background radiation sufficient to detect at a radio horizon at operating altitudes of any radar, and the AFAR scanning beam will not bypass the direction-finding station.
              5. -2
                20 February 2020 11: 43
                The main disadvantage of AFAR is that its radio horizon is limited by the line of sight, due to interference addition of the beam, and the AFAR will be more perishable, there is just a wave.
          2. +2
            19 February 2020 16: 22
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The Su-35 pilot will have to strain pretty hard to fill up the F-16.

            Do not tell, it will slam like a flea.
          3. 0
            19 February 2020 19: 55
            That's right, and in the oncoming battle, there will be losses on both sides. Much will depend on the tactics and training hours of the pilots.
          4. -1
            19 February 2020 22: 28
            Oh well, you’re not a su-35 avionics developer, only developers know about it, you can only assume
        2. 0
          19 February 2020 19: 03
          This is not serious. When you want to at least somehow block a serious lack of reliability, with a lack of arguments negative
          1. -1
            19 February 2020 19: 09
            Quote: 3danimal
            This is not serious.

            Start learning aviation.
            1. -1
              19 February 2020 19: 56
              Is it more specific? I know, for example, that the F-16 is the most massive aircraft of 4 generations. And he has a lot of combat applications.
      5. +5
        19 February 2020 16: 09
        Quote: voyaka uh
        F-15 and Su-30 are approximately equal in capabilities.

        Warrior! Su-35 refers to super maneuverable aircraft due to engines with a controlled thrust vector, and the aircraft F-15TX not a super-maneuverable aircraft - he has engines without a controlled thrust vector.
        1. +2
          19 February 2020 16: 17
          There is an important nuance that Americans know. According to the teachings of Red Flag.
          The thrust vector can be changed at a speed of no more than 0.5 MAX. If the Su-35 slows down, know that the next moment it will dive sharply. And "disappear". The Americans take this Su's feature into account in their command tactics.
          1. +2
            19 February 2020 17: 53
            and if he doesn’t dive, or dives in the wrong direction, unless they themselves slow down when maneuvering, then he can maneuver somewhere to dive, or even freeze.
            1. 0
              19 February 2020 18: 12
              "don't they slow down while maneuvering" ///
              ---
              No. F-15 pilots are taught not to reduce speed below 0.9 MAX. And do not lower the height in air battles. According to statistics, fighters were shot down by explosives when they reduced speed. For this reason, the Americans refused nozzles with a variable thrust vector (they flew such in the form of experiments).
              They whip up each other in groups and write turns at high speed.
              1. +1
                19 February 2020 18: 16
                that means they have limitations that the Su-35 does not have, and the Su-35 is much more free to maneuver. After all, this fighter is not in itself, it must either attack someone, or protect the client, but if the client is slow? Then the Americans are in the pope.
                1. +1
                  19 February 2020 18: 23
                  If the client is slow, then there are no enemy fighters, then the F-15s will fly at the speed of the client, and entering the air battle they will accelerate and will no longer slow down, writing circles. But, in general, you are right, the Su-35 has a more flexible battle mode: both at high speeds and at low speeds. good
                  1. 0
                    20 February 2020 10: 39
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    F-15s will fly at the client’s speed, and when entering a dogfight, they will accelerate and will no longer reduce speed by writing circles.

                    Not even for the pilot, weird tactics. It’ll work against a cannon dump, but it’s violet for modern missiles, they are all-perspective. Given the general transition to wide-angle detection and other helmet-mounted target designation, I do not see what a gentle slightly faster turn will save from capture / launch / defeat. Only fast entry-exit from the battle with the transfer of the target to other groups? And if it is dogfight? Explain the meaning?
                2. 0
                  19 February 2020 22: 57
                  Like the su-35 integrated circuit built in the b-15 only decent electronic filling
          2. 0
            19 February 2020 21: 03
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Red Flag

            Quote: voyaka uh
            Su-35

            Indicate where, besides your imagination, these two names intersected? When did the Su35C take part in RF?
      6. 0
        19 February 2020 21: 19
        The F-16 of the last Block can fly the entire service life on the "native" engine.

        You want to say that the F-16 was not made for war? )))
        Fighter aircraft - exaggerated can be compared with Formula 1 cars. There engine life was - only 300 km (1 race and the motor for scrap). You increase the motor resource of the motor - all the indicators of the motor are sharply reduced - and power and torque and speed. And the more you increase the engine's engine life, the more all the characteristics decrease.
        So in F-16 - a large motor resource means - not all juices are squeezed out of the engine, but not far ....
    9. +2
      19 February 2020 15: 47
      Amer mongrel can only sanction not good competition
      1. 0
        19 February 2020 19: 05
        So you need to have diplomatic influence, many allies and a comparable economy in size, then the sanctions will not be particularly sensitive.
    10. +4
      19 February 2020 16: 04
      . "" "However, the three-dimensional controlled thrust vector, inherent in the F-15EX engines, will surpass the Su-35 at short distances." "" belay
      This, can anyone translate me?
      1. +3
        19 February 2020 16: 22
        The F-15EX does not have such an engine. And the other F-15s, too.
        1. -1
          19 February 2020 19: 20
          In addition to the experimental once upon a time.
    11. +2
      19 February 2020 16: 21
      Afraid of sanctions - C400 not see. Sooner or later you have to choose.
      1. -1
        19 February 2020 19: 08
        I would suggest to all partners, companies that are facing sanctions to compensate for their losses. Say, a contract with the Russian Federation for 1 billion, and losses due to sanctions 6. No question, we pay you all 6 billion. The country is rich, enough for everyone.
        It is only necessary to cancel pensions ...
    12. +2
      19 February 2020 16: 23
      Quote: Tlauicol
      On this site, only our Russians knock on admins, I didn’t notice this from the Jews

      May the Jews not knock. Our colleagues will do it for us. Well ... is a bad word. My great-great-grandfather was exiled to him for him in Tomsk .. Otherwise, he would have lived in Krakow.
      1. +1
        19 February 2020 17: 30
        How so? Everyone can be sent for this word in Krakow, this is an ordinary word of the Polish language
      2. 0
        19 February 2020 21: 07
        May the Jews not knock. Our colleagues will do it for us. Well ... is a bad word. My great-great-grandfather was exiled to him for him in Tomsk .. Otherwise, he would have lived in Krakow.

        I respect it for that.
    13. 0
      19 February 2020 16: 23
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Do you have anything to say on the topic about the Indian tender?

      I will say-F-15 was not lying under the fence, also a decent car! Everything will be decided by the service, but we do not need to teach the Americans. And we do not need to be driven by the "newest" Su-35, and the old, from the 80s -F-15- they classmates. hi
      1. +1
        19 February 2020 17: 12
        Quote: fa2998
        and old, from the 80s -F-15- they are classmates.

        The first flight in 1972, the development of the late 60s.
    14. -3
      19 February 2020 16: 48
      Well xs. The Indians have once already "cheated" on the Su-30MKI against the F-15C in the same Red Flag ...
      1. +2
        19 February 2020 17: 18
        Quote: Diver
        Well xs. The Indians have once already "cheated" on the Su-30MKI against the F-15C in the same Red Flag ...

        The Red Flag exercises do not count. In the exercises with the Singapore Air Force, the Indians nullified F-16C 10-0 to zero.
        1. -2
          19 February 2020 17: 22
          To understand who merged, it is not necessary to count. Your KO.
          They did not "endure" anyone there in France. Or proof in the studio.
          1. +1
            19 February 2020 17: 49
            To begin with, f-16D represented Singapore in France. Look for the proofs yourself. You didn’t post yours.
            1. -5
              19 February 2020 18: 54
              My proofs are known to everyone who heard about that Red Flag.
              There are no proofs, because 10-0 are the tales of the Russian media.
              1. nks
                0
                20 February 2020 00: 41
                What is the red flag in France ??? Garuda can?
      2. -6
        19 February 2020 18: 08
        Well xs. The Indians have once already "cheated" on the Su-30MKI against the F-15C in the same Red Flag ...


        This is the time when young lieutenants flew against the Indians, and with a restriction in height and armament (only AIM-9M), when, as the Indians were not connected in any way neither in height nor in arms, they flew on their territory, but at the same time they merged a third fights (3: 1)?
        1. -4
          19 February 2020 19: 00
          This is the Red Flag that is in Nevada. When at first the Indians were constantly idle because of unrepairable engines, waiting for new ones from India. And then the Americans read all this "incredible" super-maneuverability when large и heavy The Su-30MKI simply lost speed and altitude on these "super maneuvers" (and since Kozhedub's time, speed and altitude are the life of a fighter) and presented an easy target for amers.
          1. -2
            19 February 2020 19: 28
            And then the Americans prochukhali all this "incredible" super-maneuverability, when the large and heavy Su-30MKI simply lost speed and altitude on these "super-maneuvers" (and since Kozhedub, speed and altitude are the life of a fighter) and presented an easy target for amers.

            Physics - there is physics, no arguing against it.
            Who has energy, he won! It's funny, but Eagle at high speeds has better maneuverability both vertically and horizontally than the Su-27/30. Su-27/30, on the contrary, have advantages at low speeds, but are greatly substituted for those who have more energy.
            the Americans had long heard this, and the Indians only cemented this fact.
    15. 0
      19 February 2020 16: 55
      India has a tender for a light fighter, there is a desire to buy a 5th generation airplane ... .... They open another tender for a heavy twin-engine 4 generation ?????
    16. +1
      19 February 2020 17: 13
      F15 in size and weight is less than Su27 and 35 .... the radar performance is controversial .... there is a new AFAR. The range of weapons is much wider .... as well as the possibility of exchanging data with other systems
    17. -4
      19 February 2020 17: 24
      PFAR is a weak link of the Su-35, so what to hide ....
      1. 0
        19 February 2020 17: 28
        And what is the weakness? Just because PFAR? Characteristics of the same. Even in comparison with AFARs.
        1. -2
          19 February 2020 19: 04
          The Su-35 is not a PFAR, but a passively active phased antenna array
      2. -2
        19 February 2020 18: 09
        VFAR is a strong link, in the active radar mode, VFAR has a less powerful radiation signal with more sensitive reception (the receiving antenna is not magnetized), in the passive AFAR mode it does not work at all, and VFAR works.
    18. 0
      19 February 2020 17: 49
      Quote: Avior
      How so? Everyone can be sent for this word in Krakow, this is an ordinary word of the Polish language

      So it happened. .. It was said. The great-great-grandfather was offended well and had a fight while laughing ..
    19. -3
      19 February 2020 18: 06
      F-15E

      pretty serious car. New aircraft, electronic warfare and all-round visibility systems, radar with AFAR, can carry up to 22 air-to-air missiles

      15D thrust vector specific to F-XNUMXEX engines
      - What was the author accepting? Since when did the General Electric F110 motor have a controlled thrust vector ???
    20. -1
      19 February 2020 18: 09
      Quote: Gregory_45
      F-15E

      pretty serious car. New aircraft, electronic warfare and all-round visibility systems, radar with AFAR, can carry up to 22 air-to-air missiles

      15D thrust vector specific to F-XNUMXEX engines
      - What was the author accepting? Since when did the General Electric F110 motor have a controlled thrust vector ???

      Well, you all understand that he accepted.
      Explicit cockeret Su 35.
    21. -2
      19 February 2020 18: 10
      Quote: Shahno
      Quote: Gregory_45
      F-15E

      pretty serious car. New aircraft, electronic warfare and all-round visibility systems, radar with AFAR, can carry up to 22 air-to-air missiles

      15D thrust vector specific to F-XNUMXEX engines
      - What was the author accepting? Since when did the General Electric F110 motor have a controlled thrust vector ???

      Well, you all understand that he accepted.
      Explicit cockeret Su 35.

      Modestly but tastefully.
    22. +2
      19 February 2020 18: 20
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Quote: Sergey39
      Clear business. The dollar is the main weapon of the Washington Jews.

      And you Nazi unfinished cry. Maybe someone will regret you.

      So this is not a nationality - but a state of mind)))
    23. -1
      19 February 2020 18: 58
      Quote: 3danimal
      What are the reasons to believe that the radar on the latest versions of the F15 "in ..ope"?

      None. Only the desire to beat the enemy ..
    24. 0
      19 February 2020 19: 03
      However, the three-dimensional thrust vector characteristic of the F-15EX engines will allow you to surpass the Su-35 at short distances

      What kind of nonsense? On the neighbors, Sushka-35 also cuts this American nutty nutty
    25. 0
      19 February 2020 20: 39
      Cabbage is good, but you need to have meat snacks in the house (c). Why am I? When the time comes for a decision, Trump will appear with his sanctions. Dancing with songs will begin with a clear result. Too oily piece.
    26. 0
      19 February 2020 21: 02
      But what a competition - the Americans will pocket their people in the Indian army and government in a certain amount of dollars and immediately find a bunch of shortcomings in the Su-35. There are enough "patriots" lured by them. hi
      1. +1
        19 February 2020 21: 22
        And Russians, therefore, are not trained?
    27. +1
      19 February 2020 23: 38
      I do not agree with the thesis from the title of the article - the F-15EX will be able to defeat the Su-35 in the Indian tender, not only with the help of sanctions - it is only necessary (for example, in India), the right bribe wink
    28. 0
      20 February 2020 01: 26
      You can start talks with Pakistan over the SU-35, or even sell a small batch. Kmk a very effective argument in the bidding will be
    29. 0
      23 February 2020 23: 26
      About R-37M: heavy long-range super-maneuverable missile laughing
      The main goal is low-maneuverable AWACS aircraft. And the price is many times higher than that of the analog AIM-120.
    30. 0
      April 24 2020 20: 20
      But did the F-15 have more speed than the SU-35 did not understand?

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