Chubais spoke about the “revolution” in the production of graphene nanotubes in Russia

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OCSiAl, which was previously part of the Rusnano group, has launched the Graphetron-50 industrial unit in Novosibirsk, which has no analogues anywhere in the world. According to the head of the board of Rusnano, Anatoly Chubais, this is "an outstanding international event, a real revolution in the production of nanofibers and various materials."

We are talking about the commissioning of a plant for the production of graphene nanotubes with a capacity of 50 tons per year. Chubais claims that not a single company in the world today is capable of producing a single ton of this innovative material.



Graphene nanotubes, when added to the composition of other materials in a small amount, can dramatically change their characteristics. For example, a 0,1% addition of nanotubes to aluminum doubles its strength, while adding one thousandth of a percent of this material to concrete makes it one and a half times stronger. And by adding 0,01 percent to the plastic, you can make it electrically conductive. The graphene tubes themselves are 150 times stronger than steel.

The Russian company OCSiAl already supplies nanotubes to 75 percent of the world's leading technological manufacturers. Most of them do not disclose the fact of their cooperation with the Russians. We only know that OCSiAl's clients are LG and Pirelli.
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    1. +5
      19 February 2020 11: 31
      aluminum is 2 times stronger how is it?
      1. +33
        19 February 2020 11: 33
        Another revolution from Chubais? annoying ..
        1. +17
          19 February 2020 11: 40
          Well, it was clearly not Chubais who came up with it, he only voiced it.
          1. +24
            19 February 2020 11: 47
            If Chubais voiced, then he saw this as a benefit for himself, but not for the country and people!
            1. +6
              19 February 2020 11: 50
              He so covertly begs for pension savings.
              1. +2
                19 February 2020 20: 39
                As often happens with us, we made a revolution in technology, and cream will be removed in production in the west ..))) Technology will leak, by hook or by crook .. request
            2. 0
              20 February 2020 00: 51
              Last year (or even the year before last), a detailed article on this subject was in popular mechanics, our compatriot, scientist, businessman, specially made this production from scratch, so that then he could enter the world market, the essence of why
              1. 0
                20 February 2020 01: 03
                more detailed article written 3 years ago

                https://www.popmech.ru/science/317022-russkaya-tekhnologiya-grafenovye-nanotrubki/
              2. 0
                20 February 2020 14: 52
                Actually a little bit wrong. At the initial stage, RUSNANO was not even close)) RUSNANO appeared only when there was already an experimental installation and expansion was required on an industrial scale !! and the revolution took place in 2014)) in general, a very interesting story of a startup and investor acquaintance with a scientist who invited them to develop this technology. I watched the presentation of this company like back in 2012, very informative !!
          2. 0
            20 February 2020 08: 00
            Chubais organized.
          3. 0
            21 February 2020 12: 00
            Chubais financed, or rather Rusnano.
        2. -4
          19 February 2020 11: 48
          They will start production then it will be possible to speak.
          1. +17
            19 February 2020 11: 50
            Already launched
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              1. -3
                19 February 2020 12: 14
                Hello, garage !!! Where are the real achievements here? Then it turns out, as it has happened more than once, that in China all this is done three times cheaper. And the state money has already been spent. And this production will be left in desolation. You give examples or yourself will you find?
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                  1. +5
                    19 February 2020 12: 23
                    In all the previous "projects" of RUSNANO it was so. Accumulators, LED lamps, solar panels and other others. The money was invested, but the production, in fact, is worth it.
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                    2. +7
                      19 February 2020 14: 29
                      In all the previous "projects" of RUSNANO it was so. Accumulators, LED lamps, solar panels and other others. The money was invested, but the production, in fact, is worth it.

                      let's no lies. The plant in Novochebaksaksary works around the clock, but even with all its productivity it does not keep up with demand. It is not his fault that the performance was designed based on a forecast of 5 years ago. And during this time, the market demand has grown 500 times. Consider that the Hevel company (the owner of the Chebaksary plant) commissioned 2017 MW capacity in 75, and 2019 MW in 275. And this is approximately 850 thousand. solar panels. Therefore, they had to (despite their plant, which simply did not draw out such a need) buy some of the panels from the Chinese. That's it, ale garage ...
                      1. +2
                        19 February 2020 17: 09
                        Something I did not meet Cheboksary panels, but Chinese on every corner.
                        1. +5
                          20 February 2020 04: 41
                          Something I did not meet Cheboksary panels, but Chinese on every corner

                          for this, it’s enough to go to any of the SESs built by Havel. If you have not personally seen them, this does not mean that they are not in principle. Hevel is the largest builder of SES in Russia and neighboring countries. And the lion's share of its panels goes to the needs of its own power plants. Have you ever read THAT I wrote above in my comment

                          ps minus eye eat what? That I will voice quite accessible information? By this I violate their idyll of all-propitiousness? They probably would be pleased to realize that in Russia everything is really in ruin and there is not a single enterprise producing high-tech products that is running at full capacity. Then it would definitely fit into their picture of the world and justify the whine about our wretched country .... it is interesting to look into the eyes of at least one such all-around fan
                        2. -3
                          20 February 2020 11: 20
                          I don’t eat anything. Why should I seek out what our industry produces? In everyday life, the achievements of domestic industry are strangely invisible.
                          So my philistine look is completely objective.
                          And I can say more, I was more pleased to see the opposite, but alas, there is none. Corruption, money-grubbing and degradation is what Russia is so far the first to do.
                    3. +10
                      19 February 2020 16: 35
                      Quote: ultra
                      In all the previous "projects" of RUSNANO it was so. Accumulators, LED lamps, solar panels and other others. The money was invested, but the production, in fact, is worth it.

                      One RosNanoTablet is worth it! Already has no analogues in the world!
                      (RosNano from Chubais - Horn and Hoof from O. Bender!)
                2. -3
                  19 February 2020 12: 27
                  I would like to see examples.
              2. +18
                19 February 2020 12: 31
                The author seems to be flirting. They say that the world's leading companies do not disclose. "But to you, dear VO members of the forum, I will tell you a secret - it's Lg and Pirelli." But for me personally, no matter how the whiners moan, they say, the technology will be taken to China, and there it will be cheaper, the news is good. Why - in the first place, and mainly, because the material for the intended use is critical in quality, therefore, with all due respect to the Chinese, a Chinese similar product is tested a hundred times before taking it. and why the gimp to breed. Secondly, the material on the market is in demand - from the word everywhere, so there is enough space for everyone
                1. +1
                  19 February 2020 15: 48
                  In China, he buys them, because they are three times cheaper.
          2. +9
            19 February 2020 11: 51
            already running
            https://ocsial.com/ru/news/363/
            1. 0
              19 February 2020 17: 10
              Let's see how long the production of graphene "glasses" will last!
        3. +17
          19 February 2020 11: 55
          Chubais has nothing to do with graphene! Just as usual, this redhead dirty trick gives other people's results for their own!
          And this idea of ​​Novosibirsk people (I don’t remember my last name), even like the Nobel’s, was received for this ...
          1. +25
            19 February 2020 11: 58
            Quote: Yngvar
            Chubais has nothing to do with graphene! Just as usual, this redhead dirty trick gives other people's results for their own!
            And this idea of ​​Novosibirsk people (I don’t remember my last name), even like the Nobel’s, was received for this ...

            The author of a unique technology is a Russian physicist, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Mikhail Predtechensky.
            1. +3
              19 February 2020 11: 59
              Right! Thanks for the addition!
              1. +16
                19 February 2020 12: 01
                Quote: Yngvar
                Right! Thanks for the addition!

                All the good news was crap with Chubais, although he’s not at all involved here.
                1. +6
                  19 February 2020 12: 10
                  Quote: FenH
                  although he’s not here at all

                  It's just that OCSiAl is a project initially promoted by Rusnano. And solely thanks to the acquaintance of the founders of the company with Chubais and his deputy. By pull, so to speak.
                  1. SOF
                    +3
                    19 February 2020 14: 00
                    Quote: Spade
                    It's just that OCSiAl is a project initially promoted by Rusnano. And solely thanks to the acquaintance of the founders of the company with Chubais and his deputy. By pull, so to speak.

                    .... for all my NOT love for Chubais, I have to admit the fact that the cohort of fighters with the cutting regime has successfully ignored your statement .....
                    .... they cannot prove otherwise .... to object without proof - too .... the best way out is modestly "not to notice" ...... belay
            2. +4
              19 February 2020 12: 14
              The author of the unique technology is the Russian physicist, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Mikhail Predtechensky.

              There are no questions for the academician, genius, but for Chubais I have accumulated a three-volume !!!! negative
              1. +4
                19 February 2020 12: 16
                Quote: Major Yurik
                The author of the unique technology is the Russian physicist, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Mikhail Predtechensky.

                There are no questions for the academician, genius, but for Chubais I have accumulated a three-volume !!!! negative

                And this is how the news file is called hi
                1. +2
                  19 February 2020 16: 41
                  Well, I don’t know about the three-volume edition, but the “three-line” for sure!
              2. +1
                20 February 2020 00: 14
                Well, a three-volume book, not a three-volume book, but for all his achievements, a red vial of green stuff earned - to disinfect his forehead so that the bullet would not bring the infection ...
            3. 0
              19 February 2020 17: 12
              This is understandable and a hedgehog. The question is different, is the Russian economy ready to consume these products? Six months later, it turns out that the Chinese are cheaper to sell the same and that’s all, Arctic fox production.
            4. 0
              20 February 2020 01: 05
              Here in detail
              https://www.popmech.ru/science/317022-russkaya-tekhnologiya-grafenovye-nanotrubki/
          2. +5
            19 February 2020 12: 25
            Two received the Nobel Prize for graphene, but they are no longer ours. They have long been working over the hill.
        4. +10
          19 February 2020 13: 28
          Quote: Svarog
          annoying

          Where Chubais is, there is the privatization of everything and everyone. Again money will be allocated from the budget for his "ideas".
        5. +2
          19 February 2020 14: 51
          The revolution is not from Chubais. He’s baking here on the side, he’s going to heaven on someone else’s hump. The production capacity of the company now is 75 tons per year, the price of products is about $ 9000 per 1 kg. This means that sales (if there is demand) can reach $ 675 million per year. What profit is not known, since there is no data on the cost price. About the material and applications are on the company website: https://ocsial.com/ru/technology/about/
          It is unclear who owns the company, but its head office is in Luxembourg.
          1. +4
            19 February 2020 15: 09
            Found more information. "The head of OCSiAl noted that Russia now consumes only about 2% of the company's products, another third is consumed by China, and half of the products are consumed by the United States and Europe." Therefore, production will be located where there are main customers. Different locations are needed, large companies want to have supplies from different countries. Now we are gathering investors to launch the first stage of the Luxembourg plant by 2022. "And the share of Rusnano in the company's shareholding is small. And they are unlikely to pay taxes to our budget. So everything is as usual. And reasons for I don't see the screams "Urya-ah!"
        6. +2
          19 February 2020 15: 28
          Quote: Svarog
          Another revolution from Chubais? annoying ..

          Why? Russia is a great nano-power.
      2. +3
        19 February 2020 11: 45
        Quote: certero
        aluminum is 2 times stronger how is it?

        miracles of science! only in this specific case, with such specific red-haired faces, these are "miracles" of a completely different category ... sleight of hand / language and no fraud!
        1. 0
          19 February 2020 11: 48
          For example, a 0,1% addition of nanotubes to aluminum doubles its strength, while adding one thousandth of a percent of this material to concrete makes it one and a half times stronger. And by adding 0,01 percent to the plastic, you can make it electrically conductive. Graphene tubes themselves are 150 times stronger than steel

          Something reminds a fly in the ointment ... Yes
      3. +15
        19 February 2020 11: 50
        the mere mention of this surname makes me vomit. am
        1. +7
          19 February 2020 11: 56
          Quote: Stroporez
          the mere mention of this surname makes me vomit. am

          Probably holier than others .... a hand, at least, reaches for holy water, although a well-planed "pencil" would be more effective.
          1. +8
            19 February 2020 12: 15
            Quote: rocket757
            rocket757 (Victor)
            An aspen stake in an insatiable erysipelas will complement an amazing landscape!
            1. +6
              19 February 2020 12: 39
              It’s not a pity to get that "damn power" to be controlled for sure.
              Although it is clear that the strength of this many-sided one, this particular one was already very familiar, tired of everyone, and it also creates an infinite amount of devilry.
              1. +7
                19 February 2020 12: 58
                Quote: rocket757
                rocket757 (Victor)


                Victor, you see, what parsley, of course, with all our hatred for this mmm ..... personality, this name is already a household name, a common name for the many-headed hydra, whose name is a lie, greed and betrayal. Unfortunately, many local guards have little understanding of what is happening, hoping for some kind of HSP, messages, jerks, breakouts, netanalagafvmira and other crap, not wanting to see that the country is dying in the literal sense. The main thing is that the body is warm, the kids are arranged in security schools, so that later they can guard someone's thread, but in such a way that without much risk and for decent money. This is surrealism.
                1. +6
                  19 February 2020 13: 52
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  This is surrealism.

                  This inability to analyze, predict, and indeed unwillingness to turn to common sense ... and even the last, fundamental, lack of a heightened sense of self-preservation, which should extend not only to themselves, but also to those for whom everyone is responsible! I don’t even talk about the whole country, everything is very dull there.
        2. +10
          19 February 2020 11: 57
          Quote: Stroporez
          the mere mention of this surname makes me vomit.

          Today is a rich day for such surnames, the tagged one was remembered and now Chubais.
        3. +11
          19 February 2020 12: 04
          Chubais (chubas, chubys, Germans (?) Chubais, ginger imp) in the lower mythology of the Great Russians and Latgalians is a small malevolent house spirit. Ch. Was portrayed as a pot-bellied red rat "with a face like a human." He moves into houses at the behest of evil sorcerers, extinguishes the fire in the hearth, demanding ransom in grain ("he will take everything in the barns, sweep from the bottom of the bottom") and animals ("that hums and bleats, coughs and barks, drive a cow and a dog into gullies, chicken and goat - to my lair "), but not because he wants to eat, but then to make people starve. "He does not eat any grain or meat, does not drink beer or kvass, but feeds on human misfortune." Ch. First settles in one hut, but if he doesn’t survive, he can "abandon the whole volost".
          "Mythological Dictionary" ed. D.S. Likhachev
          1. +13
            19 February 2020 12: 32
            Why are there not the most odious persons in the American sanctions list: Kudrin, Nabiullina, Chubais? This is some terrible pale of the State Department. Shtirlits have never been so close to failure (c) With this, American partners planted a hefty pig Elvira Sahipzadovna, Alexei Leonidovich and Anatoly Borisovich Yes
          2. +6
            19 February 2020 13: 36
            Quote: Yngvar
            chubais, redhead imp

            One moment strikes me. Everyone hates Chubais, the government knows this, but he is constantly appointed to high positions and allocated money from the budget for his "ideas". Why is he so beneficial to the authorities?
            1. +2
              19 February 2020 14: 29
              One moment strikes me. Everyone hates Chubais, the government knows this, but he is constantly appointed to high positions and allocated money from the budget for his "ideas". Why is he so beneficial to the authorities?

              Just remember what Putin says about him. And everything will become clear.
      4. +3
        19 February 2020 12: 19
        These are the impenetrable "Armata" and "Alligator". How.
        And who is the holder of OCSiAl shares and why doesn’t the products fall into Russia, in particular Rostec?
        What about Red?
      5. Fat
        +2
        19 February 2020 12: 38
        Quote: certero
        aluminum is 2 times stronger how is it?

        This is true! A single-walled nanotube increases the strength properties of this metal. Elastic limit, ultimate strength. OCSiAl, however, is not entirely Russian.
        Blurred Red by country. And the technology is really Siberian.
      6. +7
        19 February 2020 13: 03
        .According to the head of the board of Rusnano, Anatoly Chubais, this is "an outstanding international event, a real revolution in the production of nanofibers and various materials."

        Take a look back!
        In 2011, Chubais showed the president - "a unique Russian tablet
        for schoolchildren ", which he is going to launch into production.
        A 25.06. 2015 announced that they did not begin to put it into production, as it could not compete with Arrl products.
        In 2015, Chubais, at a New Year's corporate party, pleased the employees of Rusnano that the campaign had a lot of money and, under the cries of "hurray", promised to pay the employees
        two awards. At the same time he promised - "to answer for the market."
        In 2017, Chubais announced the release of the most advanced personal vehicle on the Planet! A folding scooter weighing 40 kg .. and at a price of just 600 thousand rubles.
        "The most perfect personal vehicle on the planet" never appeared on the roads of Russia.
        But Russia has - the coolest on the planet, "Chubais-bred". Yes
      7. +1
        19 February 2020 13: 46
        aluminum is 2 times stronger how is it?

        Yes, no one yet knows exactly how.))
        The main buyers are research laboratories. The material is interesting, but so far they are only figuring out exactly how to use it in the national economy.
      8. 0
        19 February 2020 15: 28
        Yes, how does it work, if with alloying additives in steel it is approximately clear, then with aluminum ...
        And how will this affect machining.
        1. +2
          19 February 2020 21: 21
          "And how this will affect machining."
          I'm afraid this will not affect the machining in any way. So today in production, we are working with him stupidly abrasive for steel. No one bothers with milling cutters as it was in Soviet times. Moreover, there is nowhere to sharpen them all. With a plasma cutter, he cuts in general in flight.
      9. +2
        19 February 2020 21: 13
        "aluminum is 2 times stronger, how is it?"
        Well, it’s apparently the hull structure of the ship will become twice as light with the same strength. And you will be able to put much more payload into the same building. Similarly, it will be necessary to believe that aviation will happen.
    2. +3
      19 February 2020 11: 32
      Somehow this very pleasant message sounds strange. Can someone explain how to evenly distribute the material one in another in such
      quantity. Especially in the responsible nodes and details.
      1. +6
        19 February 2020 11: 37
        Quote: gridasov
        Graphene Nanotubes

        Quote: gridasov
        Somehow this very pleasant message sounds strange. Can someone explain how to evenly distribute the material one in another in such
        quantity. Especially in the responsible nodes and details.

        https://ocsial.com/ru/about-cnt/ ,https://ocsial.com/ru/news/363/ тут более информативно
        only: HEAD OFFICE. Pudreri, 1, L-3364, Lödelange, Grand Duchy of Luxembourg
        1. +2
          19 February 2020 11: 48
          I'm really grateful to you! However, I think that if we consider the space of the material as an interconnected system, then the tube in the geometric sense, and more precisely in how magnetic fluxes and polarization are distributed in it, is far from the best option. Even if we consider the tube as the equivalent of a solenoid, then this is not at all an effective form. Moreover, it is very difficult to construct long chains evenly distributed over the entire volume of the material from the tubes, even in strong magnetic external fields. Therefore, it is premature to speak of sufficient electrical conductivity. this is not to mention high voltages, which means that it is impossible to construct algorithmic connections from the zones of magnetic flux distribution from tubes. In general, of course, well done!
          1. 0
            19 February 2020 11: 50
            Quote: gridasov
            I'm really grateful to you! However, it seems to me that if we consider the space of a material as precisely an interconnected system, then the tube in the geometric sense, and more precisely in how magnetic fluxes and polarization are distributed in it, is far from the best option. Even if we consider the tube as the equivalent of a solenoid, then this is not at all an effective form. Moreover, it is very difficult to construct long chains evenly distributed over the entire volume of the material from the tubes, even in strong magnetic external fields. Therefore, it is premature to speak of sufficient electrical conductivity. this is not to mention high voltages, which means that it is impossible to construct algorithmic connections from the zones of magnetic flux distribution from tubes. In general, of course, well done!

            Try to offer it to them. [email protected]
            1. +3
              19 February 2020 11: 53
              Unfortunately, I am more interested in the methods of analysis and construction of complex dynamic mathematical models, which by the way allow us to analyze such processes. And then I understand what I can and what I don’t know and what a layman is. What’s important, I don’t know how to beg
          2. +4
            19 February 2020 11: 51
            But what was that ...? belay
            1. +6
              19 February 2020 12: 23
              Gridasov AI Program - Didn't You Know? laughing
              1. +4
                19 February 2020 13: 15
                Yes Yes! A very interesting object for cursing
                1. +3
                  19 February 2020 13: 16
                  I do not scold - in no case!
      2. Fat
        0
        19 February 2020 12: 43
        Quote: gridasov
        Somehow this very pleasant message sounds strange. Can someone explain how to evenly distribute the material one in another in such
        quantity. Especially in the responsible nodes and details.

        Casting. Father, under pressure. Add a pinch to the mold and wait a couple of hours. Convection does everything for you
        1. +1
          19 February 2020 13: 17
          It is a convective process built on concentration and expansion. And all the tubes will remain where they are better and more convenient!
        2. +3
          19 February 2020 13: 27
          In the case of graphene (including nanotubes), only ultrasonic mixing.
      3. +2
        19 February 2020 18: 36
        How to distribute evenly? As in any other alloy.

        Melt, mix and cool. And to make responsible details cast, to carve, to cut out (underline necessary).

        And do not try to miraculously introduce nanotubes into critical parts and assemblies. This Chubais (will not be remembered by night) will not come up with.
        1. +1
          19 February 2020 21: 30
          A brilliant answer! hi
          By the way, this is the first thought that visited me.
          It’s even strange that it’s not Comrade Gridasov ... Although ... Perhaps I don’t know something ...
        2. 0
          20 February 2020 11: 55
          Quote: Kuzmitsky
          How to distribute evenly? As in any other alloy.

          Melt, mix and cool. And to make responsible details cast, to carve, to cut out (underline necessary).

          And do not try to miraculously introduce nanotubes into critical parts and assemblies. This Chubais (will not be remembered by night) will not come up with.


          And then erosion of a very carcinogenic material - nanotubes - will begin from the surface?
          1. +1
            20 February 2020 21: 05
            Where does this information come from?
            Usually, any surface of the metal is usually covered with a protective layer of something. For example, paintwork in the hulls of ships, oil in the internal combustion engine, etc.
            Moreover, if it happens, it will be in nanometric sizes.
            And today I swallowed so many standard carcinogens for a shift that about nano ... It would be for happiness.
    3. +10
      19 February 2020 11: 34
      Lucky Chubais. Another long time ago would not be winding up, but this one is engaged in nanotubes. what
      1. +10
        19 February 2020 11: 48
        He is from the category of untouchables
    4. +1
      19 February 2020 11: 38
      OCSiAl, formerly part of the Rusnano group, launched the Graphetron-50 industrial unit in Novosibirsk, which has no analogues anywhere in the world.
      Something painfully appeared, unparalleled in the world. "My parents had such a toilet in the village that there were no analogues in the world. But if about something," there are no analogues in the world, "Chubais says, then do not believe it. just another fake about vouchers. I would like to ask "Red roofing paper, do you even believe it yourself?"
      1. +1
        19 February 2020 11: 42
        Of course, this is the result of investing vouchers in the right place.
      2. +4
        19 February 2020 11: 42
        Quote: tihonmarine
        OCSiAl, formerly part of the Rusnano group, launched the Graphetron-50 industrial unit in Novosibirsk, which has no analogues anywhere in the world.
        Something painfully appeared, unparalleled in the world. "My parents had such a toilet in the village that there were no analogues in the world. But if about something," there are no analogues in the world, "Chubais says, then do not believe it. just another fake about vouchers. I would like to ask "Red roofing paper, do you even believe it yourself?"

        https://ocsial.com/ru/news/363/,толя тут вообще не причем
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      1. 0
        19 February 2020 11: 50
        At the time of perestroika, our factory developed the KES-1 product - Electric Garden Cultivator as consumer goods and also advertised as having no analogues. I must say that this is true, he really had no analogues, because in FIG was not needed by anyone, and therefore made them 2pcs. It seems to me that there is a similar story with these nanotubes.
      2. +2
        19 February 2020 11: 54
        Quote: JustMe
        And now I work where the results really work (and here in Russia)

        And this is wonderful, and most importantly, that there are no these ladies with reduced social responsibility, whom I want to call a good Russian word.
        1. +4
          19 February 2020 11: 59
          Interestingly, and these tubes, if taken internally, will they not strengthen health, will they strengthen reproduction !? feel
          1. +4
            19 February 2020 12: 25
            Only if you add to the main working part of the reproductive mechanism.
          2. +5
            19 February 2020 12: 27
            If manufacturers do not cheat, then when you receive these graphene tubes, you will become 1,5 - 2 times stronger. But I strongly advise against trying hi
          3. Fat
            +2
            19 February 2020 13: 02
            Quote: bessmertniy
            Interestingly, and these tubes, if taken internally, will they not strengthen health, will they strengthen reproduction !? feel

            For these purposes, it is better to simply accept activated carbon, nanotubes from graphene ... In order to strengthen the erection, complete perversion))))))
    6. +1
      19 February 2020 11: 40
      Chubais told ...
      Neither reduce nor add ..
      1. 0
        19 February 2020 11: 47
        Well, don’t be so jealous of the unsinkable saffron milk cap. It is believed that it was bought from Western curators, guaranteeing security. What if it’s a valuable shot?
      2. 0
        19 February 2020 11: 51
        Commenting is not even what. Freak sold the country. ...
    7. +4
      19 February 2020 11: 42
      Chubais spoke about the “revolution” in the production of graphene nanotubes in Russia

      When the "ginger \ devil" starts broadcasting about something, I really want to check all my pockets, I also want to look after the public "money", at least from a distance, because they are not allowed to come close anyway.
      here it is, he’s a scumbag.
    8. -2
      19 February 2020 11: 43
      It looks like another tale from Chubais. There is on paper, but in fact there is nothing.
      1. +5
        19 February 2020 11: 44
        Quote: balunn
        It looks like another tale from Chubais. There is on paper, but in fact there is nothing.

        https://ocsial.com/ru/news/363/
      2. -1
        19 February 2020 11: 55
        Well, why be filled with negativity. One must believe in the good and the good. Moreover, I believe that condemning a person is much easier than understanding.
        1. +2
          19 February 2020 12: 20
          Quote: gridasov
          condemning a person is much easier than understanding.

          Chubais is an undisguised enemy. For all that he and his accomplices have done to the country, they deserve a minimum life sentence. I still hope to see this.
    9. +5
      19 February 2020 11: 44
      We are a country that has no analogues in the world, because everything we produce has no analogues in the world.
      Glory to Chubais, nanorevolutionary.
      1. 0
        19 February 2020 12: 04
        Not just has no analogues in the world, but has no analogues ANYWHERE in the world, that is, even cooler.
    10. 0
      19 February 2020 11: 45
      So these tubes are related to hypersonic rockets or never?
      1. +1
        19 February 2020 12: 16
        So these tubes are related to hypersonic rockets or never?

        You have already been told a lot. Do not be impudent. crying
    11. +3
      19 February 2020 11: 46
      The main thing is that we would have a demand, then in Russia there will be a real technological revolution.
      1. +2
        19 February 2020 12: 03
        I also believe that it is necessary to create a domestic competitive market for supply and demand. Just like Japan.
      2. 0
        19 February 2020 12: 03
        When nanotubes come to every single apartment and strengthen the well-being of each family belay , then we can talk about the breakthrough of this technology fellow ... And so there is nothing to guess - this "breakthrough" will settle in the pockets of the same redheads like this same Chubais. negative
    12. -6
      19 February 2020 11: 50
      analogue
    13. 0
      19 February 2020 11: 51
      In fact, all who are in the subject are buying all over the world. The main thing is that Chubais does not wring out or interfere.
    14. +3
      19 February 2020 11: 53
      Something often, this character, began to flicker in the media .. not for good ..
      1. 0
        19 February 2020 11: 58
        Siberian Barber (Alexey) Today, 11:53 AM NEW
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        Something often, this character, began to flicker in the media ..not good..
        Spit it out! wink
        1. +3
          19 February 2020 12: 08
          If this helped, then the whole country would be spit)))
          Pah-pah laughing
    15. +2
      19 February 2020 12: 00
      There is no confidence in the combination of the words "nano" and "Chubais". But it's great if these achievements really exist. Confused by the clause "Most of them do not disclose the fact of their cooperation with the Russians." That is, if you ask LG about working with OCSiAl, they will refuse to answer?
      1. +2
        19 February 2020 12: 05
        Quote: friend of animals
        There is no confidence in the combination of the words "nano" and "Chubais". But it's great if these achievements really exist. Confused by the clause "Most of them do not disclose the fact of their cooperation with the Russians." That is, if you ask LG about working with OCSiAl, they will refuse to answer?

        No, I won’t refuse, OCSiAl itself is not Russian, it just has production in Russia
        1. -1
          19 February 2020 12: 38
          Interestingly, and what is Russian?
          1. +1
            19 February 2020 12: 47
            Quote: balunn
            Interestingly, and what is Russian?

            The technology for the synthesis of single-walled carbon nanotubes, implemented in Graphetron 1.0, is described in patents RU 2157060, RU 2478572, US 6846467, US 8137653, US 8551413, as well as in a number of patent applications pending by patent offices. The technology allows you to synthesize a wide range of carbon nanomaterials.
          2. +2
            20 February 2020 01: 06
            Brain

            https://www.popmech.ru/science/317022-russkaya-tekhnologiya-grafenovye-nanotrubki/
    16. +1
      19 February 2020 12: 03
      Something a lot of Chubais lately .. is it not dangerous?
      1. -1
        19 February 2020 14: 30
        when there are a lot of things like: Chubais or Gaidar - somewhere they sold something, shut down and went under the hammer in Russia
    17. +3
      19 February 2020 12: 06
      The notion "Chubais" is so toxic that its mention, even in the best news, can discredit this news.
      1. 0
        19 February 2020 12: 14
        Because there is no faith in him from the word "absolutely".
        1. 0
          19 February 2020 14: 31
          no matter how laundered, it still smells like shit
    18. -1
      19 February 2020 12: 07
      the revolution will be when these tubes through his head pass at high speed
      1. +1
        19 February 2020 12: 31
        Quote: fruit_cake
        revolution will be when

        There will be no revolution, but nationwide glee.
    19. -1
      19 February 2020 12: 11
      And they will pay him money with it! Probably.
    20. 0
      19 February 2020 12: 13
      In Soviet times, such developments were immediately secret. And all involved in them became restricted to travel abroad.
      And here, in plain text, yes to the whole world. Well, why then be surprised when our specialists are arrested under a far-fetched pretext over the hill. And then they pass the hegemon.
    21. +3
      19 February 2020 12: 14
      Where Chubais, do not expect anything good!
    22. -3
      19 February 2020 12: 15
      Again unparalleled in the world, it is very reminiscent of Soviet propaganda, which is so red, including red.
    23. +2
      19 February 2020 12: 18
      Ananotolia rushed into revolutionaries?
    24. 0
      19 February 2020 12: 24
      Quote: FenH
      only: HEAD OFFICE. Pudreri, 1, L-3364, Lödelange, Grand Duchy of Luxembourg

      That's it that Luxembourg negative
      In 2021–2022, the company plans to open the first phase of a new site in Luxembourg. Her power will be 250 tons per year.

      https://www.rusnano.com/projects/portfolio/ocsial-edinorog
    25. +3
      19 February 2020 12: 30
      Here, on the one hand - it seems that you need to rejoice. On the other hand, at the word "Chubais", something bad starts to move under the heart ...
      1. -1
        19 February 2020 12: 34
        And a hand reaches for a gun or a pomp
      2. +1
        19 February 2020 12: 48
        This is because someone created it, and the redhead only found out, doesn’t even know what he is talking about, but it sounds like he created it.
        1. +1
          19 February 2020 13: 40
          Quote: Finn
          This is because someone created it, and the redhead only found out, doesn’t even know what he is talking about, but it sounds like he created it.

          I remember being in the RAO EU, he boasted in the same style of the construction of the Bureyskaya HPP.
    26. 0
      19 February 2020 12: 33
      Graphene is good, but light bulbs and batteries ... how are they?
      1. +2
        19 February 2020 12: 39
        You still remember the revolutionary tablet, which all schools wanted to equip
        1. +1
          19 February 2020 12: 44
          I forgot! Well, they all from Putin to the last Chubais love to tell fairy tales. As far as I remember, everyone is fighting corruption and raising the economy. Only someone always creates interference for them ...
        2. 0
          19 February 2020 20: 10
          was, it was)))) and floated into the toilet
      2. 0
        19 February 2020 20: 11
        Our partner is China. Gaidarism is alive, we will buy everything, we don’t need ours.
    27. +1
      19 February 2020 12: 42
      Great if it's true. good
      This material is completely revolutionary.
      1. 0
        19 February 2020 12: 46
        This is certainly great, only the people are not cold or hot from this. We have oil, gas, metal, wood ... Why not, but the poor people like a parish mouse.
        1. +1
          19 February 2020 12: 52
          It will become warmer for the people when there will be many such modern facilities.
          In Israel, such high-tech firms are the majority in the country. And therefore, oil-gas-metal is not particularly needed. Only as a small appendage to the budget.
          Selling a ton of graphene tubes will be more profitable than 100,000 tons of oil.
          1. -1
            19 February 2020 16: 49
            What fright will there be more of? We do not have high-tech goods for export (in normal volumes) Yes, actually no one there is thirsty. And inside the more so, the market is formed for imported goods, it is cheaper and better.
            1. +1
              19 February 2020 16: 55
              But is it necessary to change the direction of the economy? You will not go far to sell raw materials. And nanotechnology products are very expensive. Literally worth its weight in gold. For a few boxes of these graphene products, you can earn more than the year of operation of the Nord Stream.
              1. -1
                19 February 2020 17: 05
                Need to change, but no one! You will remember what kind of blizzard the former prime minister drove, whose work Putin rated at 4. Their whole job comes down to giving out money. And then they tell how they were released. Even the law on tenders is such bullshit, it does so much harm, but no one is in a hurry to change it, because someone is sitting on streams.
                1. +2
                  19 February 2020 18: 51
                  I think that as soon as Russia starts mass production of its planes and ships (civilian), everything will be in order with the economy.
                  The first swallows are already on the way. New "maize", MS-21 and Il-114 in aviation; I hope that even the IL-96. But with sea vessels ... so far only military orders are visible and icebreakers ... The problems with engines are clear, both for aircrafts and for sea vessels. But nevertheless, some positive trends are visible. hi
                  1. 0
                    19 February 2020 19: 06
                    The reason is simply that the government cannot give military directions to imported components, but in the civilian world it is full of seams and pluralism. There, our enterprises cannot compete; it turns out both more expensive and less technological.
      2. +2
        19 February 2020 12: 48
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Great if it's true. good
        This material is completely revolutionary.

        https://ocsial.com/ru/technology/about/ у них на сайте вообще много что интересного
      3. 0
        19 February 2020 13: 07
        if this is true, then Chubais said the truth for the first time, a person wants to believe in the best, but Chubais said the same length, well, it can’t be here without a flick
      4. 0
        20 February 2020 11: 53
        Quote: voyaka uh
        This material is completely revolutionary.


        And very very carcinogenic - destroys lung cells and penetrates the blood.
    28. +3
      19 February 2020 12: 45
      Quote: certero
      aluminum is 2 times stronger how is it?

      Just like they do now. There are a lot of aluminum alloys, if we say the customer wants the usual one, it’s AlMgSi alloy, it’s A4, it’s kind of like making spoons from it, if you need to raise hardness with the addition of a fraction of cast iron, once the order was for rocket bodies there is super durable you need to take an alloy with titanium . So they will add. Like aluminum, but different.
    29. +1
      19 February 2020 12: 49
      All that Chubais concerned was not turning into gold at all. The antipode of King Midas.
    30. -1
      19 February 2020 12: 53
      Chubi blew the scientific revolution, well, hold on, probably soon they will spray the Eagle (Federation) with nanotubes at the direction of Han (Rogozin) Solo and now you will get the Millennium Falcon from Orel! Musk nervously smokes on the sidelines laughing
    31. 0
      19 February 2020 13: 15
      Yeah, only the addition of Chubais to the Russian economy, for some reason, weakened the latter at times. And if you add it to a fund, for example, a pension fund, then the entire content will be annihilated)))
    32. +1
      19 February 2020 13: 20
      Graphene nanotubes can be used only in small doses - not more than 1-2% with respect to the matrix material due to the adhesion of nanotubes to each other in pieces of graphite (a natural property of carbon layers).

      This means that it is possible to strengthen the material with nanotubes one and a half times at best - when using hydrocarbon polymers as molecules, whose molecules have chemical affinity for carbon.
    33. 0
      19 February 2020 13: 22
      The problem is how to make the fibers from the tubes.
      Are the tubes themselves needed in such quantities if there is no fiber technology?
    34. 0
      19 February 2020 13: 23
      Great, but without Chubais it could have been even better. Maybe something happens, for example, adding nanotubes to welds, for aluminum, titanium, etc.
    35. +1
      19 February 2020 13: 23
      Quote: FenH
      Academician of RAS Mikhail Predtechensky

      An academician by definition does not have the competence to create and operate industrial production, even if based on its development.
    36. luk
      0
      19 February 2020 13: 35
      The real revolution will be when he releases nano-vouchers. I wonder where you can stick them?
      1. +2
        19 February 2020 14: 10
        In the nano-knife ... Or change it to 3 nano-bottles of vodka.
    37. 0
      19 February 2020 13: 46
      Well, if Chubais says something, it means you can put a fat cross on this and we will not see any graphene in the near future - it’s nano!
    38. +1
      19 February 2020 13: 46
      And this is not akin to nanotanks ?!
    39. 0
      19 February 2020 13: 49
      OCSiAl, formerly part of the Rusnano Group. Probably quietly took the company out of state control
    40. 0
      19 February 2020 13: 52

      Sergey Zasukhin, Managing Director of OCSiAl Who needs technology entrepreneurs // Present his vision of the demand for technology entrepreneurs,
    41. +4
      19 February 2020 13: 57
      Chubais claims that not a single company in the world is capable of producing a single ton of this innovative material.

      Why should we believe him? And what does “this” have to do with graphene and production, in which he is given the role of transferring money from pocket to pocket? Or does he want to tell us that his foreign curators are not yet up to date with what is happening? He is not just “Chubais”, but “a member of the Bilderberg Circle” ... belay
    42. +3
      19 February 2020 14: 09
      Quote: ultra
      In all the previous "projects" of RUSNANO it was so. Accumulators, LED lamps, solar panels and other others. The money was invested, but the production, in fact, is worth it.

      In Rybinsk, at NPO Saturn, a nano-instrument plant is operating. Red opened it 10 years ago.
    43. 0
      19 February 2020 14: 24
      Now, if it had not been stated by Chubais, then I believed and was glad, and so, I am tormented by vague doubts about the revolutionary nature of this event.
    44. 0
      19 February 2020 14: 59
      0,1 percent addition of nanotubes to aluminum doubles its strength

      And the addition of carbon to iron turns it into steel / cast iron, also improving their properties
    45. +1
      19 February 2020 16: 50
      You know what .... every schoolchild in the Russian Federation should have long ago had unique tablet computers from Chubais. It was VERY-A very long time ...
      Question WHERE ARE THEY?
      Question 2 - when will they kill this bastard?
    46. 0
      19 February 2020 17: 07
      If we supply 3/4 of the world's consumers with nanotubes, WHERE IS MONEY THEREOF? Has the state invested, and profit in private hands? request hi
    47. +1
      19 February 2020 17: 21
      I never thought that I would act as a lawyer for Ananotolia, but for the sake of truth I will have to
      In the structure of Rusnano, he worked for a year and a half as a line manager, so I know a little about what I'm writing.
      1. Accusations that nanotubes were invented 10 (20,30) years ago and Oksial did not create anything new.
      Gentlemen, the main declared task of RUSNANO-COMMERCIALIZATION. R&D is of little or no interest to them at all. Previously, they actively worked at the seed stage of the startup, but now they are not, the work is concentrated on the stage of the startup itself.
      The success of OCSIAL is that they attracted private investors, including foreign ones, and were the first of the companies in the Rusnano portfolio to achieve a capitalization of 1 billion. The success is undoubted and loud. Although it is still a long way from building an existing business
      2. OCSIAL from the very beginning headed for the creation of TNCs and the model of our compatriot Gapontsev
      (IPG founder) so they won’t put eggs in one Novosibirsk basket. To do business in Europe it is better to have a factory in Europe, and not just a sales office. This is what OCSIAL does.
      3. A memorable tablet instead of textbooks. This is generally one of the few sound ideas of Chubais. My eyes climbed over my forehead when I found out how much a fifth-grader’s backpack weighs, picking up an unlucky guy from the ice and seeing him off to the emergency room. But there were two problems. In Russia, they do not know how to make a B2C product if it is not a purely IT product. Second, from the very beginning, Chubais climbed to the very top, demanding state support and so many billions that absolutely everyone was surprised. And then the red-headed gentleman was given a paper lobby, which was supported by people like Timchenko.

      I want to emphasize that the success of OCSIAL is primarily the success of OCSIAL, our compatriots. So I just wish them success
      1. +1
        19 February 2020 17: 37
        Another charge
        4. The state invests in private business paying for risks.
        Yes, this is a dubious idea - losses are paid by the state, and private and state owners share the profit. I DO NOT protect this circuit.
        But in the case of OCSIAL, RUSNANO acted not as a co-founder, but as an investor, moreover, of the second stage.
        https://snob.ru/entry/178272/
        Rusnano invested $ 60 million. Now it owns 17% of the business at a cost of 1 billion. From the point of view of investment, a definite success. Of course, remember about BUT - the market price of a company is speculative and volatile. Let's see what's next
    48. -1
      19 February 2020 19: 50
      Revolution is good. But, these nanotubes ... they are so small. What is the point of talking about them if you still can’t find the ends .... I’m afraid that there are no more people left who can claim the opposite.
    49. +1
      19 February 2020 21: 05
      ". And adding 0,01 percent to the plastic can make it electrically conductive."
      What a twist! Well, see for this Comrade Gridasov and reported to the team just now. And they say to him: drink tea, drink tea ...
    50. 0
      19 February 2020 21: 27
      50 tons? It’s not funny for yourself? At least 5 tons per year, that would be an event ....
    51. 0
      20 February 2020 05: 04
      Well, it would be a shame not to be happy for this! Although sometimes negative towards saffron milk. but still well done! What a shame! Well done, it’s good for the soul!
    52. 0
      20 February 2020 07: 53
      Is he still free?
    53. 0
      20 February 2020 11: 50
      It's not so simple.
      Early studies showed that nanotubes are more toxic than asbestos.
      That is, the material requires special conditions during research, production and use that exclude release into the atmosphere.
      Multi-walled carbon nanotubes cause immunodeficiency. Just two “working” weeks in an atmosphere with nanotubes - and the mice’s lungs themselves began to suppress the work of the defense systems. It was possible to block this effect - however, not with a respirator, but with ibuprofen injections.


      banal damage to cell membranes often causes the death of cells in contact with carbon nanotubes. And due to their small size, the latter easily penetrate from the lungs into the bloodstream, and from the blood into most internal, even “barrier” organs

      Unlike their smaller, single-walled “brethren,” multi-walled nanotubes (MWNTs) practically do not enter the bloodstream from the air. The vast majority of them settle in the lungs, which, judging by the article in Nature Nanotechnology, does not become the end point.

      Damaged lung cells send “signals” to the spleen, and there, in turn, the T-lymphocyte component of the immune response, necessary for recognizing foreign antigens, is suppressed.

      To begin with, McDonald and his colleagues decided to establish the dose required to develop a pathological effect - in the case of mice, two weeks of daily six-hour sessions in a chamber containing 1 mg/m3 of MWNT was sufficient, which is a fairly high concentration for a nanosubstance. Moreover, even a month-long “washing” with clean air did not contribute to the restoration of immune status.


      Of course, the described phenomenon is a fairly common case, because the high concentrations used and prolonged contact with nanotubules make the picture quite gloomy. On the other hand, chronic accumulation of MWNT with cumulative harm cannot be ruled out. Which once again confirmed the need for various protective measures and means during research work and careful handling of mass finished products (when they appear, so far everything is limited to only single copies).

      https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2009/06/15_a_3210678.shtml

      It’s like with self-luminous radium in its time - dishes and dials, until it was established that the material was significantly radioactive.
      Nanotubes require extremely careful handling.
    54. 0
      20 February 2020 15: 37
      The very mention of Anatoly Chubais casts doubt on the fact that other than the next cut, anything practical is possible in principle.
    55. 0
      21 February 2020 11: 13
      Don't trust the untrustworthy!!

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