Chinese aircraft designer named the reasons why China should buy a Su-57


The Chinese media published an interview with the famous aircraft designer Wang Yongqing in China. The interview was devoted to the development of aircraft manufacturing in China, primarily the military.


Wang Yongqing was asked what his opinion was about the talk about the possible acquisition of a limited batch of fifth-generation Su-57 aircraft from Russia. These conversations in China go a long time.

Wang Yongqing:

China is really interested in the Su-57 and can import several units for their research and study, if possible. There are reasons. Russian technology implemented on the Su-57 could enable China to provide supersonic cruising speed capabilities for Chinese-made fighters. In addition, in this regard, Russians can learn to create aircraft with super-maneuverability, which is provided by both engines and airframe design.

According to the Chinese aircraft designer, the technologies used in the implementation of the PAK FA-T-50-Su-57 project could help China improve its new generation J-20 and J-31 fighters.

Meanwhile, in China, it is noted that in Russia far from everyone shares the idea of ​​selling ready-made fighters to China. In particular, a joint venture is being considered, on which engines could be created for the latest fighters of the two countries.

At the same time, China makes it clear that they do not share harsh criticism of the Su-57 from India, nor do they share India’s withdrawal from the joint FGFA program.
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  1. Victor_B 19 February 2020 10: 01 New
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    China is really interested in the Su-57 and can import several units for their research and study, if possible.

    The first and foremost is copy-paste!
    1. rich 19 February 2020 10: 23 New
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      "He is there, so who will give him" (c) laughing
      1. Vasyan1971 19 February 2020 10: 57 New
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        Quote: Rich
        "He is there, so who will give him" (c) laughing

        Oh, don't promise ...
    2. NEXUS 19 February 2020 11: 35 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      The first and foremost is copy-paste!

      All copy and not only the Chinese. For example, our Uranus-6 is also a copy of the Croatian robot. One to one. There were examples in the past when the USSR copied Western models. There is nothing wrong with that. It is not clear why everyone is yelling that the Chinese are copying everything and everyone, bringing it to the level of what cunning radishes. You also need to be able to copy that, and for this you need to have a not-weak industrial base.
      I do not think that in the next 10 years, after the start of mass production of the SU-57, this fighter must be sold to China. And there are a lot of reasons, and the prospect of copying is the most harmless of them. We have not really figured out how to use it ourselves.
      1. orionvitt 19 February 2020 12: 34 New
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        Quote: NEXUS
        copy of croatian robot

        What kind of beast is such a Croatian robot?
        1. NEXUS 19 February 2020 14: 00 New
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          Quote: orionvitt
          What kind of beast is such a Croatian robot?

          Here is Uranus-6 ...

          And here is the Croatian robot DOK-ING

          Find 10 differences.
      2. rotkiv04 19 February 2020 12: 59 New
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        A copy of the discord, it is one thing to do by analogy and another to acquire a sample and copy, no one sold the USSR samples
        1. Grigory_45 19 February 2020 13: 15 New
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          Quote: rotkiv04
          USSR no one sold samples

          The Union obtained them (or documentation) in other ways. Almost exact copies: Tu-4 - American bomber B-29, missile VV R-3 - AIM-9B Sidewinder, anti-ship missile X-35 - anti-ship missile "Harpoon". And the list goes on
          1. NEXUS 19 February 2020 14: 03 New
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            Quote: Gregory_45
            And the list goes on

            Tanks before the war, the Soviet Union was not sickly copied ... yeah ..
            1. kupitman 19 February 2020 15: 52 New
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              Tu-4 and B-29, not at all copies of one another
              First, the USSR bought 10 jet engines for the Mig-9 (at the beginning of its era) from Rollsrois, and then established a licensed release, and then made a copy of this engine.
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                mvg 19 February 2020 20: 12 New
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                Tu-4 and B-29, not at all copies of one another

                Come on ... or maybe open an Internet, not for HOUSE-2 and read something? They copied everything that they could, but what they could not, came up with.
                Jet engines from England, piston engines from all over Europe and America: Spain, Germany, America. Then they only improved if they could.
                // To the previous comment for tanks //
                The Anglican Vickers, well, of course, is not visible at all, as is the suspension of Christie. It's just that the guns were worse than identical calibers, and the armor of the same thickness also had the wrong properties that Krupp or England ..
                Competitive artillery, from the mid 80's.
                PS: It is better to die proudly, knowing that you are fighting in the most powerful army in the world, than to facelessly defeat, recognizing that you still have to study and study ...
        2. Klingon 19 February 2020 13: 20 New
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          sell didn’t sell it like that, but if the samples somehow got to us they were copied. we can recall how we copied the B-29 and built our Tu-4 or Sidewinder AIM9B stuck in the wing of the MiG-15th and how later ours had the VV K-13 / R-3C missile and a lot of other things were copied according to the same scheme
        3. kupitman 19 February 2020 15: 50 New
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          Tu-4 and b-29 compare
        4. Alex Justice 19 February 2020 16: 34 New
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          USSR no one sold samples

          Brezhnev liked Phillips video. He gave the order to do the same. The copy is called Electronics. While Phillips was being copied, the West has gone far ahead in this technology.
          Serious things We must not copy, but produce for ourselves and sell to those who wish to copy.
      3. smart ass 19 February 2020 13: 40 New
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        Reply tu4 Li2
      4. figwam 19 February 2020 13: 50 New
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        Quote: NEXUS
        I do not think that in the next 10 years, after the start of mass production of the SU-57, this fighter must be sold to China.

        You can sell, but with the engines of the first stage, and the export modification (Su-57E) has already been invented.
    3. dauria 19 February 2020 12: 43 New
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      The first and foremost is copy-paste!


      The main thing is to study, evaluate solutions. To adopt something, ponder over something and say "it’s not worth repeating, ours is no worse." This is what everyone has always done. True or false. They bought, captured in battles, stole ... We, Germans, Americans, Japanese, in a word, everything. The Chinese already have developed industry, science and people. It is a matter of time before their planes become benchmarks for the rest.
      Entirely copy a plane without buying a license? It is possible if the gap is huge, but time is running out. The Chinese are no longer behind, but keep up with us.
      1. EvilLion 21 February 2020 09: 40 New
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        The Chinese are 30 years behind. About their 5th generation from the 80s is not even funny.
    4. demo 19 February 2020 14: 45 New
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      Let them take hundreds of two units and copy to health.
  2. aszzz888 19 February 2020 10: 01 New
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    China is really interested in the Su-57 and can import several units for their research and studyme if possible.
    He doesn’t really hide that he is copying what they could not do in China.
    1. Livonetc 19 February 2020 10: 03 New
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      Honest thief?
      1. bessmertniy 19 February 2020 10: 07 New
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        Probably I will repeat, but in principle, a moratorium on ten years on the sale of SU-57 to other countries should be done. Such a "cow" is needed by yourself. hi
        1. Roman070280 19 February 2020 10: 38 New
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          In our situation, it is more appropriate - I myself will not, and I will not give it to others ..))
        2. rotkiv04 19 February 2020 13: 01 New
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          But the Kremlin has a different opinion, there taxis
        3. krillon 19 February 2020 20: 26 New
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          Take the States, F-22 and allies do not sell.
          1. sharp-lad 19 February 2020 22: 03 New
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            Themselves do not buy! hi
      2. aszzz888 19 February 2020 10: 07 New
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        Livonetc (Gennady) Today, 10:03 AM NEW
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        Honest thief?

        Or as in the classics:
        12 chairs ◦ Twelve chairs
        Part 1. Stargorodsky lion
        Chapter 10. The Blue Thief.
        The manager of the 2nd house of Starsobes was shy thief. His whole being protested against thefts, but he could not steal. He stole, and he was ashamed. He steal constantly, constantly ashamed,
        wink
        1. Livonetc 19 February 2020 10: 13 New
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          Long time ago, at one time I visited China in the production of electronic equipment.
          Somehow, the design department was proudly demonstrated to me.
          And I brazenly went to the table and picked up the top sheet of design documentation.
          Under it was a pile of printed design documentation from other manufacturers.
          They quickly drove me off.
          1. smart ass 19 February 2020 13: 41 New
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            No matter how important the result
        2. Vasyan1971 19 February 2020 10: 58 New
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          His whole being protested against thefts, but he could not steal.

          That's not much about the Chinese.
  3. rocket757 19 February 2020 10: 03 New
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    According to the Chinese aircraft designer, the technologies used in the implementation of the PAK FA-T-50-Su-57 project could help China improve its new generation J-20 and J-31 fighters.

    Honestly and objectively, because the person is a specialist, not a critic from ... the gateway.
  4. Pavel57 19 February 2020 10: 06 New
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    Who will buy faster - India or China?
  5. The Siberian barber 19 February 2020 10: 12 New
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    The interesting thing is that they do not even become frustrated when speaking about the goals of the acquisition)))
    ... and they will sell it!
  6. Gardamir 19 February 2020 10: 15 New
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    Are there reasons why Russia will not sell? Or money is more important than security.
    1. Svarog 19 February 2020 10: 20 New
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      Are there reasons why Russia will not sell? Or money is more important than security.

      The reasons for not selling advanced developments are a wagon and a small cart .. But naturally, money is more important and an example is Turkey ..
      1. Ka-52 19 February 2020 12: 45 New
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        The reasons for not selling advanced developments are a wagon and a small cart .. But naturally, money is more important and an example is Turkey ..

        and what, Turkey sold technological development? Do you even know what technology is? Take an aircraft engine. There is for example design documentation. In which there is a product drawing, detailing. But is this technology? I doubt it. There is a technology for manufacturing jet blades with perforation for cooling. She is not new. But can everyone bring the quality of production to the required level with the appropriate level of equipment? I doubt it. Microroughness height> 1,25 microns - defective. Next is the technology of precision casting of blanks without allowance on the surfaces of the flowing part. But can everyone master the production of heat-resistant alloys? When the composition of the charge is measured in hundredths of%, and the methodology is based on hundreds of chemical analyzes and thousands of hours of bench testing. For interest, here are the working t in some parts of the engine:
        - elements of the combustion chamber and the flow part - 980 ͦ
        - disks of high loaded turbines - 704 ͦ
        - sheet parts such as elements of the combustion chamber and afterburner - 1050 ͦ
        - blades, discs, shafts - 950 ͦ
        - combustion chamber, flame tube - 900 ͦ
        and at the same time, it is important to understand that it is precisely by raising the temperature in front of the turbine that the thrust growth can first be supplemented. For example: 50 ͦ give an increase in traction of 5000 kgf
        1. Whalebone 19 February 2020 14: 02 New
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          That's right, now you can’t copy the engine by reverse engineering. Even if the appropriate machines to buy.
  7. 7,62h54 19 February 2020 10: 23 New
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    And this is the main reason not to sell su57 to the Chinese.
  8. Lamata 19 February 2020 10: 32 New
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    If you sell, if so, then not in a small batch of 4-5 pieces, but immediately 50 pieces. at least economical effect will be.
    1. mark1 19 February 2020 10: 55 New
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      I agree - a small batch of 50 pieces, that's fair.
  9. Zaurbek 19 February 2020 11: 00 New
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    It is unlikely that such a sale will take place .... even the Su35S sold 15 pieces .... and the 57th is not even serial yet.
    1. Aleksandr21 19 February 2020 11: 19 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      It is unlikely that such a sale will take place .... even the Su35S sold 15 pieces .... and the 57th is not even serial yet.


      So the Chinese will wait, they directly wrote that they are primarily interested in the second-stage engine, and how they will deliver it, at least on the first production aircraft, a purchase request will appear. I don’t personally have any doubts that they will be sold, the S-400 was sold, the Su35 was also sold, we probably would have sold more Su-35 to them, but their interest was primarily to study this aircraft, and there wasn’t much more to see sell .... but in general, everything is decided by money, do you need to beat off the development of the Su-57? necessary, and selling is a matter of time.
      1. Zaurbek 19 February 2020 12: 16 New
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        Ours wanted to sell 30 pieces, several Chinese chinas to buy .... converged on 15 pieces and heaps of Al41
    2. Lamata 19 February 2020 11: 38 New
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      So why then fence the garden
    3. EvilLion 21 February 2020 09: 38 New
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      Not 15, but 24, a regimental set, they wanted 48. There is nothing fundamentally new in the Su-35, it’s just a big and evil plane, the Chinese themselves need it to get to the disputed islands. Older versions of the Su-27 do not have a PTB.
      1. Zaurbek 21 February 2020 09: 42 New
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        I agree .... but the Chinese are not so old Su27.
        1. EvilLion 21 February 2020 09: 45 New
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          And then the question is, what is the J-11B. Perhaps there they only replaced Soviet equipment with Chinese. Changed whether the glider FIG knows.
  10. Marconi41 19 February 2020 11: 47 New
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    The Chinese do not even hide that they are exclusively interested in technology on this plane. They don’t need the airplane itself.
    1. Zaurbek 19 February 2020 12: 17 New
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      By now, no technical equipment is needed at all. They need separate nodes and technologies. After 30 years, they will not need anything.
      1. Marconi41 19 February 2020 12: 18 New
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        Quote: Zaurbek
        After 30 years, they will not need anything.

        I think that even earlier.
        1. Zaurbek 19 February 2020 12: 20 New
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          In different industries in different ways.
      2. EvilLion 21 February 2020 09: 47 New
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        Funny statement. If you even get technology, and narrowly targeted, then you will make your plane out of principle? And why did you get that you can do it if you couldn’t before?
        1. Zaurbek 21 February 2020 11: 26 New
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          And if you already do the rest yourself? Avionics, AFAR, stealth coverage, etc. Yes, a separate weapon system or turbojet engine doesn’t work very well and they are bought.
          1. EvilLion 21 February 2020 13: 00 New
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            Making a radar and making a good combat system are slightly different things. Well, how is it that the Chinese have everything else, too, the question is, avionics - this is not an iPhone.
    2. Zaurbek 19 February 2020 12: 29 New
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      And maybe it's a good idea to standardize turbojet engines on heavy fighters.
    3. Lamata 19 February 2020 12: 45 New
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      and the plane itself consists of technologies, including.
      1. EvilLion 21 February 2020 13: 01 New
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        Here is a spoon. Metal. What technologies are there in addition to the concept of a spoon? If you don’t know how to pour metal, then you won’t make it.
  11. Paranoid50 19 February 2020 12: 35 New
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    in China they make it clear that they do not share harsh criticism of the Su-57 from India, nor do they share India’s withdrawal from the joint FGFA program.
    Yes, who would doubt it. laughing What is good for the Chinese is for the Indian ... yes
  12. Warrior MorePhoto 19 February 2020 12: 36 New
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    As the Su 57 with a second-stage engine will be ready for sale, the copiers will be busy
  13. Whalebone 19 February 2020 13: 59 New
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    There is not a single reason to sell the Su-57 to anyone in the next 5-7 years. Before saturating the VKS with at least a hundred cars. Work out flotation, interaction with other branches of the armed forces, new missiles and bombs, drones. And only after that think about entering the market. The country's security is not worth 30-40 billion, but to count on the thousandth circulation of exports is a utopia. In Russia, they steal more from the budget per year more than the cost of a pair of Su-57 aviation regiments. No need to sell strategic weapons trying to plug holes in inefficient spending.
  14. 501Legion 19 February 2020 15: 54 New
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    you have to be a complete idiot to think about selling them to china
  15. Kostadinov 19 February 2020 16: 14 New
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    Quote: Victor_B
    The first and foremost is copy-paste!

    Copying an entire product is harder than using what you need in your product.
  16. Diver 19 February 2020 16: 36 New
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    You can study. To adopt something. But that is all. Given that the Chinese stealth fighter program is more advanced in terms of readiness, and indeed. It’s time to measure with an instrument with the Chinese Air Force, and not with the NATO Air Force.
  17. ugol2 19 February 2020 19: 38 New
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    No, Chinese comrades, no Su-57 to you. The shop hid itself.
    And let them stand with a bag of yuan at a closed storehouse.
  18. Papapg 19 February 2020 19: 49 New
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    Quote: Vasyan1971
    Quote: Rich
    "He is there, so who will give him" (c) laughing

    Oh, don't promise ...

    Yes, neither we nor Adam did not promise, who sold the Chinese the technology of gas-diffusion enrichment of uranium, and like goose water.
  19. Nitarius 20 February 2020 05: 06 New
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    what can I say .. at least I told the truth! and pick up ideas! everybody does it and ours do not sin! if you need to find out what and where! the struggle for technology goes on for centuries, and there is no shame!
  20. Dzungar 20 February 2020 19: 21 New
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    I don’t understand - these clever-opy really believe that they will sell them several pieces of SU-57 FOR STUDY .....? You can imagine - one country, albeit in normal relations with another, but in any case a potential adversary and competitor in the production of weapons, such aircraft specifically (that everyone understands), IS GOING TO BUY FROM THIS OTHER COUNTRY OF A FEW PIECES, THE NEWEST DEMANDERS, FOR STUDIES ....... For me it’s some kind of IDI-OTISM .....
  21. EvilLion 21 February 2020 09: 35 New
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    China, of course, wants to join high art, but now it’s not the 90s, when they sold technology to China just to survive now. At most, the Chinese can only rely on a large batch of finished products, and only when ours consider that there is nothing fundamentally secret left.