Zakhar Prilepin's party “For Truth” advocated the abolition of the exam

The new party "For Truth", created by writer Zakhar Prilepin, will propose the abolition of the Unified State Exam (USE). This was stated by the adviser to the chairman of the party, actor Ivan Okhlobystin.

Speaking at a press conference before reporters, Okhlobystin said that the party intends to abolish the Unified State Exam system as a completely “meaningless tool” that does not make children more enlightened. According to the artist, the USE system is alien to Russia, it was developed in the West, has long become obsolete and does not allow children to develop.

In addition to the cinema, we still have many problems, many advantages, many disadvantages. Now it is impossible to offer. But among other things, at the first opportunity, we will cancel the exam system. It will be pleasant to many. Parents are all our potential voters

- said Okhlobystin.

Recall that the exam in Russia was introduced as an experiment in 2001, and since 2009, the Unified State Exam is at the same time the final exam at school and the entrance exam at the university. The exam consists of two compulsory exams - the Russian language and mathematics, the student chooses the remaining subjects independently, depending on further plans for study. Since 2015, admission to the exam has been introduced, in order to receive it, the graduate must still write the final work.

For our part, we add that the USE system has both many opponents and many supporters. Those who favor the preservation of the USE argue that it is impossible to give a bribe to the teacher when passing the exam, and they are opposed to the “narrowness” of tests that prevent the student from “fully opening up”.

Comments

[Dmitry Donskoy]

Interestingly, the Zakhar party will compete with at least the Liberal Democratic Party? There are enough admirable personalities in it, but the proposals are still not serious.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

Interestingly, the Zakhar party will compete with at least the Liberal Democratic Party? There are enough admirable personalities in it, but the proposals are still not serious

The party stage is the usual spoiler to take votes from the "left" electorate!
Now there will be many populist statements that have no continuation.
Well, tell me, what kind of politician is Okhlobystin or a sigal?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Malyuta

What kind of politician is Okhlobystin or a sigal?

And what kind of politician is Schwarzenegger or Reagan? True, they were not very actors. One constantly with a stone erysipelas, the other in second-rate films.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: orionvitt

And what kind of politician is Schwarzenegger or Reagan?

I won’t say anything about Schwarzenegger, I was not interested, but Reagan ...
For your information, acting is the hundredth part of his biography. But for some reason you mentioned it. And in vain.

[bobba94]

Everyone speaks an actor, an actor, and I read his biography ..... for more than 10 years I headed the film actors union .... my mother !!! Yes, after 5 years of communicating with this audience, I’m talking about Hollywood stars and not stars, you need to be awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union or, in American terms, to be awarded the Liberty Medal for courage, dedication, intelligence, endurance, etc. It will be cleaner than governorship when you have a bunch of assistants, advisers, secretaries, officials .... it will even be cleaner than the presidency.

[krot]

Good start "ZP"! From the beginning, an urgent, painful issue! We started with trump cards!

[orionvitt]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

this is the hundredth part of his biography. But for some reason you mentioned it. And in vain.

What's in vain? I wrote it in second-rate films. A great actor, Reagan was never. As well as a great president. To turn on the "printing press" at full capacity in time, this is called saving the economy in America. The whole banal secret of the vaunted "Reaganomics".

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: orionvitt

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

this is the hundredth part of his biography. But for some reason you mentioned it. And in vain.

A great actor, Reagan has never been. As well as the great president.

But it was not without his help that the hunchback did what he did.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

But it was not without his help that the hunchback did what he did.

Speak of the President of the United States as Lord God. He is very limited in his decisions and his main task is to make statements, meet with other presidents and voice the US political line. Yes, and hunchbacked, he wasn’t ruining the country alone.

[alexmach]

The party stage is the usual spoiler to take votes from the "left" electorate!

Does anyone have to take this left electorate from him? Is there any decent left-wing party in Russia? At least one? At least purely populist, not to mention any serious force. Is there someone to the left of United Russia?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Malyuta

The party stage is the usual spoiler to take votes from the "left" electorate!

And who is the "left electorate"?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

Interestingly, the Zakhar party will compete with at least the Liberal Democratic Party? There are enough admirable personalities in it, but the proposals are still not serious.

Okhlobystin and grandson of immigrants from Belarus Zingelmanov, telling everyone that he is being drilled - yes, adequate people)).

[astepanov]

Quote: Krasnodar

Okhlobystin and grandson of immigrants from Belarus Zingelmanov,

Well, they say that we don’t have Natsik. I can not stand Okhlobystin and Prilepin, but what does it have to do with what the surname of the ancestors and who whose grandson is? Pushkin and Lermontov, by the way, also had ancestors not only of Vyatka blood, but were Russian to the core - and no one rooted them either in Ethiopian or Scottish roots.

[Krasnodar]

I'm talking about the adequacy of Stephen Seagal - half Jewish, half European tells tales about the Buryat roots, showing his "blood connection" with Buddhism and Russia. I myself am also a Jew, if

[astepanov]

Well, then I misunderstood you. Do not take to heart.

[Krasnodar]

Yeah everything is OK ))
By the way - Okhlobystin is a cool actor, but as a politician - some kind of circus

[bayard]

Quote: Krasnodar

By the way - Okhlobystin is a cool actor, but as a politician - some kind of circus

After Volfovich, no circus will be news to us. And so, you see it’s fun after the election.

[Svarog]

, but the proposals are still not serious. feel

So the party’s goals are to delay the votes of the Communists .. In general, not only the exam, but also the authors of the textbooks, many need to be changed and some textbooks should be for everyone .. but now in one school they study one textbook and the other to others .. and so much blizzard ...
Moreover, I have an average daughter to study on Saturday .. The child gets up 6 days a week at 6 am and every day for 6-7 lessons, they regularly leave him with a plus for all kinds of activities .. As a result, he is constantly sick, as he does not get enough sleep .. I don’t think that such a schedule contributes to a better assimilation of the material .. And you have to chew all the material at home because they don’t really explain it at school, as teachers write all kinds of reports ..

[AleBors]

Have you tried to change the school?

[Svarog]

Quote: AleBors

Have you tried to change the school?

There aren’t enough schools, there are 32 people in the classroom .. what’s changing there, it’s washed for soap .. everything is the same everywhere .. It works in Moscow .. and there isn’t in Tatarstan .. They signed a paper to cancel the 6 day week .. 98% that children would not study on Saturdays .. sent to the Ministry of Education of Tatarstan .. but there they safely ignored .. in Kazan canceled in my opinion, and put in Nab. Chelny ..

[AleBors]

It’s sad. I sincerely sympathize

[Nasrat]

Duck and we studied on Saturdays, i.e. 6 days - 6 lessons each - I believe, 7 - they began to cheat ... High school students and before in the USSR had 6 lessons each and how would they survive and learn - what are the complaints?

But the fact that little actors get into politics, let alone mediocre ones, is not the case.

According to the Unified State Exam - in order to, as they like to say here, "guess" this exam, the student needs to study the material on the subject - for four years in the school curriculum .... if the student is counting on decent points. so that knowledge somehow creeps into the head, to those who have plans for further studies. With the introduction of the USE, corruption in admissions commissions has clearly diminished.

[UA3QHP]

Well, let's introduce a five-day, and leave the program the same. Then the children will have eight lessons per day.

[Svarog]

Quote: Nasr

High school students — and before in the USSR, had 6 lessons each, and how would they survive and learn — what are the complaints?

A child in the fourth grade learns what high school students .. I wouldn’t be in 10th speech .. And on Saturdays we didn’t study, never .. even in high school ..

[Nasrat]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Nasr

High school students — and before in the USSR, had 6 lessons each, and how would they survive and learn — what are the complaints?

A child in the fourth grade learns what high school students .. I wouldn’t be in 10th speech .. And on Saturdays we didn’t study, never .. even in high school ..

Well, for the fourth grade it’s a bit much, and 7 lessons can’t be, with a 6-day working week — otherwise contact Gorono — they will respond instantly, verifiedly.

And the fact that you yourself did not study on Saturdays is very strange, because even the diary includes Saturday as a day of study. Have you studied abroad?

[Arlen]

Quote: Nasr

And the fact that you yourself did not study on Saturdays is very strange, because even the diary includes Saturday as a day of study. Have you studied abroad?

From 1989 to 1993, we did not study on Saturdays.

[Nasrat]

Clearly, the children of perestroika ... We studied in the USSR 6 days a week, with electives, cleaning the class and going to athletics competitions ... And at the beginning of the summer vacation, I, as a high school student with friends, made repairs in my class ..

[Serg65]

Quote: Nasr

And at the beginning of the summer holidays, I, as a high school student with friends, made repairs in my class ..

Elegantly lived , we were kicked out to collective farm fields for a month ... for school practice

[Nasrat]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: Nasr

And at the beginning of the summer holidays, I, as a high school student with friends, made repairs in my class ..

Elegantly lived , we were kicked out to collective farm fields for a month ... for school practice

Our classmates still went to enterprises, to practice. And we, as the best-handed ones, are constantly undergoing renovations, then we whiten the ceiling, then paint the walls, then put the windows in order - sand, paste broken and cracked glass, paint it. Once the pantry was repaired ... Of course, we were not happy about this. .. Well, there, somewhere to nail, drill - it was not considered ..

[Siberian]

Quote: Nasr

Duck and we studied on Saturdays, i.e. 6 days - 6 lessons each - I believe, 7 - they began to lie already ...

And 6, and 7 and even 8 lessons, though the daughter learns for 5 days

[hydrox]

Corruption in commissions does not depend on the "system" of the exam, but on the general state of this indicator in the state and, remotely, on the level of poverty of teachers and the attitude towards them in society.

[Nasrat]

Quote: hydrox

Corruption in commissions does not depend on the "system" of the exam, but on the general state of this indicator in the state and, remotely, on the level of poverty of teachers and the attitude towards them in society.

I assure you that teachers at universities are not poor and the attitude towards them in society is exactly the same as towards a miner, milkmaid or trucker .. but corruption scandals with admissions commissions have not been heard in the media for a long time .. the extent of corruption has clearly been minimized ..

[hydrox]

So now the professors began to receive decent money, respectively, and began to hold on to the place!

[Nasrat]

Quote: hydrox

.... and began to hold on to the place!

If the vice-rector is smart, then this is not even bad! And this does not affect corruption in the selection committee ..

[Serg65]

Quote: Svarog

There are not enough schools, in the class of 32 people

I studied in a Soviet school, in the class of 36 people, and that was the norm, high school - Saturday school day, got up at 5.40 in the morning, my mother had to help, went to bed no earlier than 24.00 ... wars, bonfires with potatoes, neighboring gardens — classic Soviet childhood !

[ultra]

Quote: Svarog

They signed the paper for the cancellation of the 6 day week .. 98% for children not to study on Saturdays ..

In Soviet times, there was 6 days and the quality of education was unlike today. And no one held rallies against this.

[Svarog]

Quote: ultra

In Soviet times, there was 6 days and the quality of education was unlike today.

I studied until the fifth grade in Soviet times and we had a five-day day .. Very rarely, I had to study on Saturday .. but this is rather the exception .. and it was 1 or two lessons by force ..

[ultra]

Well, this probably appeared already at the "end" of the USSR, when the so-called "reformers" got into all spheres. I studied the whole school for 6 days, the only thing was that on Saturday there were always no more than 4 lessons.

[Serg65]

Quote: Svarog

So the party’s goals are to delay the votes of the Communists

Vladimir, most of all, these same votes among the Communists, Platoshkin will pull away ... mark my words!

Quote: Svarog

The child gets up 6 days a week at 6 am and every day for 6-7 lessons, plus regularly leave for all sorts of activities .. As a result, constantly sick, as it does not get enough sleep ..

Vladimir, you’re like a communist, answer me ... who is to blame for the fact that the current generation of youth is so weak? Maybe it's not at school?

[Svarog]

Quote: Serg65

Vladimir, you’re like a communist, answer me ... who is to blame for the fact that the current generation of youth is so weak? Maybe it's not at school?

I’m rather a socialist .. Weak in what sense? if in terms of education, the reason for this is capitalism, it is from this that all the troubles follow.

laughing Vladimir, most of these voices of the Communists, Platoshkin will pull away ... mark my words!

Platoshka has repeatedly announced that he is going to consolidate all the left and, if necessary, he is ready to cast his votes to any other left candidate ..

[Serg65]

Quote: Svarog

Weak in what sense?

Weak in the sense of not adapted to the hardships of life, for example, as Soviet youth.

Quote: Svarog

Handkerchiefs he has repeatedly declared that he is going to consolidate all the left and, if necessary, he is ready to cast his votes to any other left candidate..

In my opinion, I already heard this in the 18th year from another candidate left . Vladimir, no offense, why the image-makers of your party work so poorly? Judging by the exclamations of non-Communist Communists, Platoshkin is unlikely to unite all the left.

[Svarog]

Quote: Serg65

Weak in the sense of not adapted to the hardships of life, for example, as Soviet youth.

There probably should not be divided, the Soviet youth and today's .. I think that these are young people, but from different times .. This is from the same series:
-Yes .. there were people in our time .. not like the current tribe .. rich men - not you ..
I think the weakness of today's youth is that they grow in the consumer society and focus only on money ..

Quote: Serg65

Why do your party image makers work so poorly? Judging by the exclamations of non-Communist Communists, Platoshkin is unlikely to unite all the left.

I do not belong to any parties .. for this reason it is difficult to answer your question. But I agree that the promotion of the idea is weak .. I think this is a question of financing and access to federal media .. As we know, the socialists have a problem with this ..

[Serg65]

Quote: Svarog

I think this is a question of financing and access to federal media

In terms of funding, I would argue that YouTube is full of videos with Platoshkin, but about the federal media ... in my opinion this is such a "tricky move" ... you see, comrades, Platoshkin is not afraid of Putin, cuts the truth of the uterus and therefore he is not allowed to federal media! It was the same with Grudinin ... but it didn't work!

Quote: Svarog

I think the weakness of today's youth is that they grow in the consumer society and focus only on money.

And in my opinion everything depends on a hyperactive parental love for his child ...

[ultra]

Quote: Svarog

There probably should not be divided, the Soviet youth and today's ..

And I see that now a generation of "armless" has grown up, 70-80% of today's youth "live" in the network.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Svarog

I do not belong to any parties .. for this reason it is difficult to answer your question

This is a masterpiece answer, Vladimir!

[populist]

Svarog (Vladimir)
Platoshkin has repeatedly announced that he intends to consolidate all the left and, if necessary, he is ready to cast his votes to any other left candidate ..

Platoshkin is exactly the same pro-government blende as Prilepin, and is intended to divide and disorientate the left forces. For popularity, it was specially shown on central television channels.

[ultra]

Quote: populist

Designed to divide and disorientate left forces.

What left forces? First names, last names of the appearance.

[populist]

ultra (Michael) Today, 11:20
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Quote: populist
Designed to divide and disorientate left forces.

What left forces? First names, last names of the appearance.

To put it even more precisely, then to delay the votes of the left and protest electorate. This is elementary. What is incomprehensible here?

[ultra]

Can you specifically name who these leftists are?

[ultra]

Quote: Serg65

Vladimir, most of all, these same votes among the Communists, Platoshkin will pull away ... mark my words!

You really are completely unaware of what Platoshkin says. Therefore, write this.

[populist]

ultra (Michael)
You truly are completely off topic, what Platoshkin says. Therefore, write this.

It's just that he is better disguised and designed for a less primitive audience than Prilepin with his joke-party "for the truth" and Sigal to boot. And Platoshkin simply must be able to speak, otherwise he will not attract a gullible public. Zhirinovsky is the brightest talker from this mole category. He always said one thing, but did the opposite in the interests of the authorities.

[Serg65]

Quote: ultra

You are truly completely off topic, what Platoshkin says

Well, from what, became interested in a new suddenly rising star of the left forces. Although he is a doctor of historical sciences, he distorts history as he wants ! A monologue about his grandmother can impress only the EEG victims! And yes .. Michael, how to understand ... we will return everything Soviet, but we will leave private property? And also ... who finances the election campaign of Platoshkin?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Svarog

pull back the voices of the communists ..

Oh, thanks for the mood day !!! All that is possible, these clowns pull themselves away. True, sometimes something or someone is pulled up, like that huckster from Mos. area.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Paranoid50

True, sometimes something or someone is pulled up, like that huckster from Mos. area.

If it were a huckster, he would have been pulled up by power a long time ago and enriched.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Svarog

So the party’s goals are to delay the votes of the Communists.

What communists are there? which of them ?!

[Alexander S.]

And what's wrong with a six-day day? I remember mine ... it was evenly divided .. I studied and studied, no one suffered. Although, however, the teachers were still good .. taught.

[cniza]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

Interestingly, the Zakhar party will compete with at least the Liberal Democratic Party? There are enough admirable personalities in it, but the proposals are still not serious.

Let's wait for the program - we'll see, but we'll watch for business ...

[ultra]

It will NOT be there, the above has already written why such parties are created by the AP.

[cniza]

Everything can, or maybe not, they wanted one thing, but it turned out another ...

[hydrox]

You see, an exam is a process that allows you to assess the level and quality of knowledge of a schoolboy or student after the end of the process of issuing and consolidating this KNOWLEDGE.
Instead, students are invited to play a "guessing game", which shows only the degree of resourcefulness of the subject's mind, who must guess the correct answer in the test from the "fragments from scraps" stored in memory.
For a salesperson's place in a kiosk, this will be enough, but for the position of an engineer, scientist, teacher, doctor, it will be criminally small, but enough to conclude that the person who wrote "adious personality" will not lead the world to disaster, but lead people, engaged in mental work, he is unlikely to be able to.

[Doctor]

Instead, students are invited to play a "guessing game", which shows only the degree of resourcefulness of the subject's mind,

Have you seen the job forms for the OGE?
Try to guess:

[Nasrat]

Something the guessing man "merged" ... did not guess the OGE for grade 9 ... but confidently talks about the USE for grade 11 ...

[hydrox]

Are you having hot stuff?
I recommend Sulgin :: an old remedy, but 3 tablets are reliably locked for several days!

[hydrox]

Better offer a form for history or geography :: to get knowledge of mathematics - you need to be able to! Mathematics can only be known or not known, there are no triplets in this science!

[Doctor]

Better suggest a form for history or geography:

I did not try to offend you, I just recently passed the exam , and now I’m preparing to take the exam and tell you that as a system for assessing the knowledge of the exam, the exam is at a high level.
At the same time, I agree, the students are stupid, but this is a teaching problem. Teachers are NOT INTERESTED in knowledge, on the contrary, clients are needed for tutoring.

PS For example, try to guess again
With 18 and 21 it can turn out, but the probability will be 0,25 and 0,33.

[hydrox]

I partially agree with you: yes, the USE has improved, but this improvement has occurred at the general level of stupidity of material for high school.
At the same time, I remain a principled opponent of the booby-trainee system.
Maybe it’s not in the education system, but in the system of social maturation?

[Tank hard]

Quote: hydrox

I partially agree with you: yes, the USE has improved, but this improvement has occurred at the general level of stupidity of material for high school.
At the same time, I remain a principled opponent of the booby-trainee system.
Maybe it’s not in the education system, but in the system of social maturation?

I repeat the question that I have already asked here repeatedly, what is the alternative to the exam?

[hydrox]

There is such an alternative, recognized by all the teachers of the world: this is the classical Russian education system with its set of subjects and in accordance with the schedule for the presentation of material on a Russian conceptual basis.

[Tank hard]

Quote: hydrox

There is such an alternative, recognized by all the teachers of the world: this is the classic Russian education system with its set of subjects and in accordance with the schedule for the presentation of material on a Russian conceptual basis

What is this "Russian system", the one in which the Unified State Exam? Or are you talking about "Soviet"? Then I’m curious, why, if you understand the difference between passing the exam in the "Soviet period" and the modern OGE and USE? What will be better? What will be the effect, except for another drink of money?

[hydrox]

I said "classical" - it is clear that there is no place in it for any USE.
If you are against a drink, then you must first of all blame the modern political system, which developed and nurtured a corruption system on itself, and not an educational system.

[Tank hard]

Quote: hydrox

I said "classical" - it is clear that there is no place in it for any USE.

You said what you said, understand it as you know, either "imperial Russia", you meant, or modern ...

Quote: hydrox

First of all, you should blame the modern political system, which developed and nurtured a system of corruption, and not an educational system.

Are you a professional revolutionary, like Navalny, or what? I told him about the difference in exams, and he told me about a bad government.

[hydrox]

People who think until now have not demanded an interpretation of the concept of "classical education" from me, but professional (oh!) For some reason want to listen to it.
And I have neither the time nor the desire to chew for you the axioms ...

[Tank hard]

Quote: hydrox

And I have neither the time nor the desire to chew for you the axioms ..

[Alex Justice]

OGE is great! My nephew passed perfectly. All universities in Melbourne hunted for him. They promised free education without entrance exams and other benefits.

[dauria]

Try to guess:

Probably, it's not about the exam. You can insert the Scanavi booklet into the forms, you can correctly approach and insert the introductory tasks of the times of the USSR from simple to MIPT.
But what happens next? They calculated, separated the smart from the ordinary, allocated them budget places. And? And then the university gives advertising !!!! "Come to us to study, both a cow and a she-wolf." For money. And the expelled pure alcohol is again mixed with the wash, the one that remains. And the university teacher (and where to go) teaches everyone together. And they different . They have different abilities, no offense. Who should he navigate to?
And everyone must be given a diploma, otherwise there will be nothing to teach sensible ones. And you can't write in your diploma "Sorry, this mathematician can't solve quadratic equations"
Education should be assessed by the number of people working in a specialty (or at least a related one). And then the question will come out - do we need "specialists" in such quantities? And what is the use of training an electrical engineer if no one bothers the owner to appoint even a veterinarian, even a designer?

[hydrox]

Not otherwise, as a teacher were?
I agree, colleague!
And if "Dauria", then, you see, Transbaikalia ...
I am from Domna.

[dauria]

Not otherwise, as a teacher were?

No, God was merciful. He studied, he learned children - he saw the difference. And he served in Dauria, he was in the service at Domna. However, all airfields in those parts are familiar.

[hydrox]

Remember, the cartographers on the IL-12 (then on the AN-8) stood there until they were stolen in Chernivtsi?
That was even before concreting the strip ...

[hydrox]

Before my very eyes, a regiment of almost new Il-28 and 4 magnificent Tu-4s was cut (from the "fortress" cannons we fired on the river bank with a hammer, and on the radio from the Il-28 walkie-talkie, which was on my windowsill, I listened to "Voice of America")

[AlexSam]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

offers so far are not serious

that is, our minobr, which has been producing half-wits (an analogue of the Americans) since 2009 (2001) - is this not serious?

[Den717]

Quote: AlexSam

our minobr, which has been producing half-wits since 2009 (2001)

Do you also think your children are idiots?

[hydrox]

You asked the right question, but then managed to give the wrong answer.
In fact, the exam is a diversion in Russian education and, perhaps, the most serious diversion since the time of Lomonosov and Magnitsky.

[Amateur]

Аdiazo personalities

The word Odious is written through O, not through A.
Therefore, the party "For Truth" against the Unified State Exam

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

but the proposals are still not serious.

Not only not serious, but also stupid statements. Such as this statement - According to the artist, the exam system (...) does not allow children to develop.
I would agree if he said - it does not stimulate the child to receive a variety of knowledge.

[hydrox]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

does not stimulate the child to obtain a variety of knowledge.

I would clarify: "Forms in children a persistent dislike for the process of acquiring knowledge."

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: hydrox

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

does not stimulate the child to obtain a variety of knowledge.

I would clarify: "Forms in children a persistent dislike for the process of acquiring knowledge."

What is an exam? This is an exam. In Soviet times, there were many more exams. Then, according to your logic, the Soviet schoolchildren had no hostility, but hatred should have been. But no, they studied. And better than today.
But the lack of exams in all major disciplines dampens, i.e. does not stimulate the student to a more serious study of the subject.
Therefore, I believe that the matter is not in the Unified State Exam, it is the reduction in the number of exams.

[hydrox]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

But no, they studied. And better than today.

You wouldn’t contradict yourself ...
50 years have passed since we studied, but sane people understand that we studied in the Soviet times, when the leading paradigms were crooked but not thieves, and the incentives to learn were clear and understandable even to children, and the difference in the future those who WISHED to learn and their opponents were striking.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: hydrox

You wouldn’t contradict yourself ...

And where am I contradicting myself? quote.

[hydrox]

And quotes materialize from my post to you.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: hydrox

And quotes materialize from my post to you.

Self-respecting people, accusing someone, give evidence of their accusations.
Otherwise, all this is empty blah blah blah.

[hydrox]

To blame you is to lose respect for me :: I thought that the truth was sought in the dialogue, but it turned out that there was just a squabble ... no, I’m lyceum students who (just like in the Empire!) Are taught logic, it is recommended to stop this dialogue .
All the best.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

Interestingly, the Zakhar party will compete with at least the Liberal Democratic Party?

If he proposes to abolish deuces at school, then perhaps it will be possible to compete with Navalny.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

It's not about competition, it's about the exam. And the exam is complete shit.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

It's not about competition, it's about the exam. And the exam is complete shit

And what is the alternative to the exam? Sound ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

The usual exam is when the teacher gets into your soul and pulls out all your knowledge. The number of additional questions is not limited. I have rented these more than once or twice.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

The usual exam is when the teacher gets into your soul and pulls out all your knowledge

Well, this is your personal preference, I don’t like it when they crawl into my soul, no matter how I’m the only one. Teachers, again, are different ... Any exam is stress and not all people are affected by stress positively. With the Unified State Exam and the OGE, the amount of stress is less for students in comparison with the exams of the USSR period, this is my personal opinion. Again, about "getting into the soul", I did not like the teacher of the Russian language so much that right before the exam she yelled to me (attention to the words of the teacher of the Russian language): "... do not rock the boat in ninth grade, your lot is vocational school!" I barely managed to retake the exam she had failed with with another teacher. Why do I need such "getting into the soul" ?! Now I have two higher education degrees. The OGE and the Unified State Exam, in my opinion, save students from such cases in the exam, which was with me. Of course, all these OGE and USE are not ideal, but the return to "Soviet standards" looks somewhat "utopian."

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Do you say stress? But what about knowledge? If you don’t take my soul out of me at the drill and blast exam and blow it up ... by accident .... Well, at least your family .... Will you also be for the exam? Think about what you are talking about. Do you let doctors with the Unified State Examination to your children? Or would you prefer someone who honestly passed the exam?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

If my soul is not taken out on an exam in a drill and blast case and blast .... by accident ....

What side is it to the exam at school? This is special knowledge, they don’t give it at school ... They also become a doctor after a specialized educational institution, where they enter after school ... And there they already have their training and their exams, there the exam already seems to be gone

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Think about what you are talking about. Do you let doctors with the Unified State Examination to your children?

I think that you simply do not own the topic and information on this issue (if I translate, I don’t mean your knowledge on drilling and blasting, you don’t understand anything in education, but already judge such experts in the whole world, often lead the state, so we have it, and such an education, and pension reform ...)

[Sergey Averchenkov]

In something you are right, I never taught. But I studied and took exams at three institutes and one technical school. He graduated only one ... There is such a not very polite. You know, but I read so many books ... You can’t even imagine. So what kind of doctor will you call your children?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

So what kind of doctor will you call your children?

Doctor, this is such a scientific title, and I would like to see a doctor as a good practitioner.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Again, get out ... Demagogy ... I asked you about the academic ranks?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Get out again ..

In the sense? Knowledge is a necessary foundation, but it will be a worthless burden if you cannot put it into practice. A practitioner is always more valuable than just a theorist, I’m translating my answer to you about a doctor whom I want to see in a difficult situation with me or my relatives. And here the exam !!! Arriving at the university in the specialty of any of the medical workers, you will start training from scratch !!! What, now in medical universities the same exam ??? And after clinical residency as well ???

[Sergey Averchenkov]

The habit of passing exams as in school will remain at the student time. What is still not clear to you? It is laid in childhood. How to educate such will be. Yes, this habit will remain for life - guess.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

How to educate such will be.

So I believe that the family and the Unified State Exam are two different things (about education).

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Yes, this habit will remain all my life - guess.

Have you tried to study and not guess? Then you don’t need to guess (or, let’s say, it will be easier to guess) ...

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

The habit of passing exams as in school will remain at the student time.

In the USSR I passed exams in the 8th grade, now it is the United State Examination in the 9th grade, in the 10th grade it was graduation, now it is the Unified State Examination. But in the USSR, upon admission to the university, it was necessary to take a separate one, and now, according to the exam results, you can enter different ones. And if you are very fond of stress, then this is your personal choice, just die faster and that's it.

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

What is still not clear to you?

What is the alternative to the USE if the Soviet system is already dead? (But in communicating with you, this question is already rhetorical).

[Sergey Averchenkov]

And who brings up children when you are busy? Probably a school? No?
So I just studied. Now guess. I know from my granddaughters.
I’m really out of date ... That is, if you guess at school, then without exams at the institute? Oh my God...

[Tank hard]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

And who brings up children when you are busy? Probably a school? No?

My opinion on this subject is only one, the family brings up children. A school can give knowledge, but only one who needs it can take it, forcing it is counterproductive.

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

I'm really out of date ...

I also...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

So we have different opinions. But it does happen. Nevertheless, I insist on my opinion, I think, as you do. Life will judge.

[Doctor]

Now guess.

No. I have cited examples of OGE assignments in mathematics and history this year. See how the questions are formulated. Can’t guess, you need to KNOW.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

And I will try. In the 815th entered. It’s hard to see in your provision ... It's not about you, but just
in the resolution of the image you provided.

[Alexander S.]

In the furnace such exams. My sister in the 90s handed over so ... did not pass, because from a provincial school, where it turned out that chemistry, in fact, did not exist. Each university came up with its own exams .. for its locals. And now everyone is equal .. you are from Moscow or Petrovka village.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Well, you see, you are because of your sister and equality ... Although there was much more equality in the USSR ... Have you thought about knowledge? And, you are right - to spoil this knowledge, the main thing is sister.

[jovanni]

Zakhar Prilepin's party “For Truth” advocated the abolition of the exam

Only because of this is it worth joining. USE kills the future of our homeland ...

[Gardamir]

I think you are a provocateur.
You can create many parties in which there will be one wish, for which it’s worth joining.
Already because there alone clowns are not worth joining, unless of course you are a clown.

[hydrox]

It seems to me that you are hinting at the results of the reign of Zelik - that’s a clown, so a clown!
Or didn’t I guess?

[jovanni]

I am not a provocateur. And not a clown. I just teach at the university, and I see who comes there. I have been teaching for twenty years, and I can compare what came before and what now. Clowns there in this party, or jesters, I don’t know, but if they remove the Unified State Exam with their help ... I’ll go vote for them.

[Servisinzhener]

And the point of cleaning the exam if the school curriculum for which students were enrolled will remain the same? Giving a qualified consumer and about zero level of knowledge. Those who will not be able to pass the exam that applicants could pass the beginning of the two thousandth. The result is a lack of students and the closure of the university.
It is necessary to change the school curriculum and not the form of the final assessment of knowledge at the end of school.

[hydrox]

That is why spears are now breaking around "education for lapdogs" and "imperial education system"

[hydrox]

The Unified State Examination is only one of the raw bricks that lay in the foundation of Russia, however, one should not forget that the person who dragged this muck to Russia today occupies the position of Advisor you know who, and therefore Skoda will only continue and deepen in the education of Russians .. .

[jovanni]

Absolutely agree with you.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Jovanni

USE kills the future of our homeland ...

The future of our Motherland is not killed by the Unified State Examination, but by products containing palm oil and various food additives, drugs in all manifestations, causing addiction to tobacco and alcohol ...
The Unified State Examination system makes our children incapable of displaying imagination and imagination. It is these abilities of the brain that distinguish a person from an animal. True, there is still humor ...

[Prisoner]

And our smartphones, the Internet, night clubs, alcohol, etc. are killing our future. What a scope for the creativity of a new party!

[ultra]

Quote: Jovanni

USE kills the future of our homeland ...

And I thought that the course of our "leadership" was killing .... But it turns out that this is the whole problem in the exam.

[jovanni]

All the problems of our Motherland, of course, are not limited to the Unified State Exam, but while these three letters remain the determining criterion for our children and grandchildren, we should not hope for changes for the better. Including changes in the "manual" ...

[Tank hard]

Quote: Jovanni

Unified State Exam kills the future of our country ..

How? With examples, please ...

[Lamata]

And why not start with no less relevant, abolishing the pension reform and reducing VAT.

[Arlen]

Quote: Lamata

And why not start with no less relevant, abolishing the pension reform and reducing VAT.

Wait. They will soon begin to talk about these topics, trying to gain political votes. But whether they will defend their slogans under big questions. We have a lot of political parties and movements. The creation in these conditions of a populist party, claiming to be a patriotic movement, is help to pro-Kremlin political forces. To ask them a question, why you are not united with other national and patriotic parties? Why do you take the slogans of the Russian communist movement? They are created against the left movement. The situation with them is like at one time with the liberal K. Sobchak, tearing the voices from the Communists.

[Lamata]

Let him talk live with Platoshkin

[AUL]

Judging by how actively they began to scour this party, it is worth taking a closer look at it. The situation resembles the story of Grudinin. It is difficult to evaluate in advance, we will see.

[Lamata]

Judging by the fact that without publishing its program, even if it was shortened, this party began its activity with an openly populist statement, it looks like a fake. and even to enter the party very muddy received citizenship Seagal. and type drilled as a doubt.

[AUL]

Wait and see. Now there’s nothing to talk about.

[hydrox]

It’s impossible :: this is a taboo topic :: as forbidden as Solovyov’s nationalization of subsoil, the conversion of all subsoil-PROFITS to a single Social Fund (as well as the nationalization of the fuel and energy complex and the conversion of its income into public ownership), NEVOROVSKY Lesnoy, Land and Water Codes ...
And here we are gibbering for the abolition of the exam, as for the only (and last!) Breath of air - just think! ...

[Voyager]

The abolition of the USE is the most pressing issue. The sooner this happens, the earlier a generation of schoolchildren will appear with chances of getting a good education and the ability to think with their own heads. The future of the country depends on this.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Voyager

The cancellation of the exam is the most pressing issue.

Give a detailed answer, why?

[Voyager]

The USE program has completely collapsed and finished off the rather successful education system on which our generations grew up. Now in school, they start talking about the exam and make preparations for it from the very first grade. And the very principle of this system contributes to the growth of idiots, not people who are able to think, who could, purely from the principle, look for alternative ways to solve certain problems in life - that is, think, and not just be guided by the training manual. That is, everyone is trying to shine under one comb without any chance of an individual approach. And this I am not talking about many other factors of recent times. You don’t miss a lesson, which has never been forbidden to the best of your ability, no normal children's life. Instead, the head is full of phones, tablets, blogs, games.

I have such specifics that from time to time I work with children of different ages and conduct creative classes with them. For the most part, children cannot connect a single word, build logical chains, or use imaginative thinking. At the moment, with the vast majority of younger generations, everything is very sad and will be even worse. Something like this

[Tank hard]

Quote: Voyager

You don’t miss a lesson, which has never been forbidden to the best of your ability, no normal children's life.

This, then, increases the level of education of the child.

Quote: Voyager

That is, everyone is trying to shine under one comb without any chance of an individual approach.

The Soviet school was also reproached for this, now the Russian one, continuous critics always and in all eras, there is no "constructive", only everything with them (you) is bad.

Quote: Voyager

Instead, the head is full of phones, tablets, blogs, games.

And here the exam, it is initially in life, then in the family, and then already brought to school. In Soviet times, there were no smartphones, if there were, everything would be absolutely the same as now, why the exam ?!

Quote: Voyager

For the most part, children cannot connect a single word, build logical chains, or use imaginative thinking.

And again, at first with these reproaches you need to be in the family, but again, your exam is to blame.

[Olegater]

The abolition of the booby system of stupefaction, a good start. But no one will do this, the owners in the west will be unhappy. How such a diversion, successful, generation of profucano. Our children will be just biomass, and not individuals, creators, creators !!! And I agree with the members of the forum - to straighten the facade is not to do major repairs. Figuratively speaking. And to parties I have a strong immunity. Until deeds prove their slogans, for the people, etc. believe them and vote for them is unacceptable.
Greetings to the traitor Lebanon and his coder from the Ministry of Education through which this ugly system was introduced. Yes, interesting, but the vile Lebanon is still alive?

[hydrox]

And what will happen to him?
With such a pension, and such health care, he can eat such a good munch and do fitness that he will survive our grandchildren twice, although millions of Russians present his true place differently ...

[Tank hard]

Quote: Olegater

The abolition of the booby system of stupefaction, a good start.

What is the replacement for the exam? Otherwise, this is ordinary demagogy and that’s it.

[rocket757]

Zakhar Prilepin's party “For Truth” advocated the abolition of the exam

FORM will change, but with content?
So far, where we have to teach, treat, etc. will provide SERVICES, nothing will change fundamentally ...
I can’t support someone who wants to do the "facade marathon" without correcting PRINCIPALLY IMPORTANT shortcomings!

[Malyuta]

Quote: rocket757

nothing will fundamentally change ... I can’t support someone who wants to do the "façade marathon" without correcting PRINCIPALLY IMPORTANT flaws!

A joke about plumbing ... "it's not a tap and a pipe that needs to be changed, but the whole system."

[rocket757]

Quote: Malyuta

A joke about plumbing ... "it's not a tap and a pipe that needs to be changed, but the whole system."

Surely such a responsible work contributes to the manifestation of wisdom in everything !!!
A plumber is a wise man!

[Malyuta]

Quote: rocket757

Surely such a responsible work contributes to the manifestation of wisdom in everything !!! A plumber is a wise man!

The voice of the people, however!

[rocket757]

Quote: Malyuta

The voice of the people, however!

Only parts of it, unfortunately! Not all of us are "plumbers".

[cniza]

I always want to believe that someone will start to change all this, until they have a program with only slogans ...

[rocket757]

Even slogans should be according to the mind ... "woe from the mind" we already have enough!
Hi

[cniza]

Soon, we will understand what kind of mind they have and whether he has ...

[rocket757]

Many people look, because they are tired, they are tired of only criticizing ... because you want to at least do something for YOUR country!

[cniza]

There are few who sincerely want this, many seek profit.

[hydrox]

You are right: As long as the state is busy developing tariffs for public services, there will be no sense for people from such a state. The nation-wide state must, in addition to its duties as the CRP-VA (education, healthcare, defense and defense, the court and lawmaking ...), please its electorate in terms of increasing its well-being - this is the main thing, and nothing more!

[rocket757]

Quote: hydrox

to please your electorate in terms of increasing its well-being is the main thing, and nothing more!

Society is always more complex and divided into parts.
Not everyone is waiting, they want him to just be appeased. They, we, believe that the state is WE, and therefore we want to take an active part in creating such a life, a country where there is no need to please anyone, we must not impede the harmonious development of man ...
In short, the topic is long and it is not always worth considering everything through the prism of objectivity, rationalism.

[Talgarets]

I remembered: "He promised to homeowners to raise the rent, to tenants he promised to lower it ...".

[kjhg]

More like populism: we are for all good versus all bad. We all remember how, in the early 2000s, Rogozin, now known to everyone, while leading the Motherland party, also advocated all that was good. Many believed him. And where is Rogozin and the Motherland Party now? Over the years even before go to Hooray-patriots realized that it was the most typical Kremlin project, no more and no less. A similar situation is with Prilepin-Okhlobystin. Let them say bluntly what class interests do they represent? If the working class, then what actions are they ready to take to return to the people the property stolen from him. If they represent the capitalist oligarchs, then let them directly say that, they say, the people, we have robbed, rob and will rob. And populist statements about the desire to abolish the exam, you will excuse me, but it is designed for mentally underdeveloped people. Let them show the source of their funding. To create a large all-Russian party, you need a lot of money. Who is financing them?

[demo]

If the working class, then what actions are they ready to take to return to the people the property stolen from him.
Voroshilov shooter, dear, how long will you live (both as a party and as a person), if you say so?
Those who own the main state-forming industries will instantly unite both against your party and against you personally.
This is equivalent to how, before a serious, decisive battle, to voice to the enemy the directions of your main and distracting attacks.

[depressant]

They know which of our buttons to press! Studied. Enjoy. I have no more faith left, understanding came instead:
"The truth is always the same ..."
And whoever wants to exploit my truth is late. It was necessary when the hope was still alive. At least they would be fellow travelers. Now there is no willingness to compromise for small handouts. Braking the death story is similar. Who will return the loss of our historical time to us?
And what is the Unified State Examination, I judge by posts on different resources, among elders - logic, grammar and readability, among younger ones - it is impossible to read.

[Yrec]

This "party" first needs to develop an ideology, then a program, and thus attract supporters. And only then throw populist slogans at the fan. If we are in favor of canceling the exam, then we must immediately offer an alternative, otherwise, as always, "for all good versus all bad."

[bessmertniy]

Without an assessment of the knowledge acquired by schoolchildren, there can be neither an assessment of the work of teachers, nor the effectiveness of the funds that the state sent to education. USE is a fairly universal tool that allows you to draw objective conclusions. And on the basis of what it will do Prilepin - is unclear.

[sergo1914]

Wangyu. The party that is not afraid to take the slogan "All power to the Soviets!" Will win. Only after that will the Unified State Exam and VAT and Pension Reform. Only in this order.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: sergo1914

Wangyu. The victory will be won by the party that is not afraid to take the slogan "All power to the Soviets!"

Whether this happens or not is unknown. But in the past the party won, deciding to take mail, phone and telegraph ...
There are a lot of popular ideas:
- remove from work in state institutions of Chubais and bring a case of fraud on a particularly large scale against him to rot the rest of his life on the bunk;
- Medvedev to deprive illegally acquired property and offer him a guaranteed amount of the average Russian pension;
... The most important thing is to pass a law allowing the transfer of property, the value of which exceeds the declared income, to the confiscated one with the payment of an indexed fine ...
And then we have something a lot of people divorced, which the gods "send" ...

[sergo1914]

Quote: ROSS 42

Whether this happens or not is unknown. But in the past the party won, having decided to take mail, phone and telegraph ..

Just a second ... I’ll brief ...
1) Russian Post
2) Mobile companies
3) ???

[Gardamir]

I agree with the second paragraph, but in 1917 Ostankino did not exist. And the third paragraph, write down the Bank of Russia.

[DMoroz]

3) Internet ????

[ultra]

Quote: sergo1914

... The party that is not afraid to take the slogan "All power to the Soviets!" Will win.

Personally, I am only FOR! Naturally, adjusted for modern realities.

[cniza]

Zakhar Prilepin's party “For Truth” advocated the abolition of the exam

Good and right move, let's see what happens next.

[Doctor]

Again confused warm with round.

The failure in education is due to the fact that teachers scored on their duties and hit the tutoring.

The quality of knowledge does not directly depend on the way in which this knowledge is evaluated.

The exam is a way to EVALUATE knowledge.
The exam was introduced to combat EXTREMELY CORRUPTION upon admission to universities.
Those who say that somewhere in Dagestan are buying the USE do not imagine what kind of bacchanalia will begin with its abolition. To a mere mortal from the Russian hinterland to see the towers, there will be a plow and a trench.
For the abolition of the exam stand "rich Pinocchio", who encountered difficulties in admission to universities their children.

[Den717]

Quote: Arzt

The exam is a way to EVALUATE knowledge.
The exam was introduced to combat EXTREMELY CORRUPTION upon admission to universities.

Thank God, at least someone thinks about the case !!! Thank...

[Glory1974]

I agree with you.
It is not necessary to cancel the exam, but to fight for the quality of teaching at school, as well as for improving the discipline of students.
You will look in the news, how the students mock teachers, how the heart bleeds. What kind of training can we talk about under such conditions?

[Servisinzhener]

The failure in education is due to the fact that teachers scored on their duties and hit the tutoring.

+ writing any unnecessary waste paper in the form of plans and reports.

Quote: Arzt

Those who say that somewhere in Dagestan are buying the USE do not imagine what kind of bacchanalia will begin with its abolition.

And all other regions will be added to the "Dagestans", to the delight of those sitting in the selection committees.

[Ross xnumx]

I am wondering when a party (movement) will appear that will require repealing the law signed by Putin:

Moscow. December 29th. INTERFAX.RU - Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law according to which, from February 1, 2016, insurance and social pensions will be increased by 4%, and the indexation of pensions for working pensioners will be suspended.

When neither the reasons for this suspension, nor the reasons for ignoring this cancellation, the fate of the authors of the project, or the reasons for such “care” of our “guarantor” for elderly people are still known ...

[Loess]

The exam consists of two required exams - Russian language and mathematics,

Since 2015, admission to the exam has been introduced, in order to receive it, the graduate must still write the final essay.

The unified state exam is both the final exam at the school and the entrance exam at the university

A graduate, having passed the exam, gets the opportunity to enter a university. This is a plus.

opposed - by the "narrowness" of the tests, which do not allow the student to "fully open up".

Okay. The student "opened up" on the exam. So, what is next? Earlier, the medal system made it easier to enter the university. There were few medalists, but such a system helped at least someone. What will happen now? Didn't have time to pass the final exams - get ready for the entrance exams right away. In addition, you get one attempt, at most, if universities are in one city and exams at different times, two. The competition did not pass - wait a year or go for a paid one.
From this point of view, the exam has a great advantage.
In general, in my opinion, the USE problem is that educational institutions devote too much time to preparing for it. But the same can be solved by making changes to the educational process, and not necessarily its cancellation.

[Professor Preobrazhensky]

We will vote "For Pravda" and this Duma party will become. Prilepin will find some kind of position analogous to Rogozin, well, of course, not in space, but somewhere on earth ...
And they will unanimously vote for the unified state exam from the first class and for the complete renunciation of pensions. And if necessary, Baikal will also be leased to the Chinese, as Siberia is now.

[AleBors]

As already written, the party is expensive. Where so much from Prilepin? And why is Seagal there? Somehow, everything is unusual.
One thing I can say, their declaration is interesting. Support guaranteed.

[sleeve]

Well, about the exam in a hurry guys. It must be done, or rather completed on the basis of the realities we need. And use one of his main achievements in the final rating, which makes it possible to make admission to the university transparent. And it is necessary to strive to systematize the baggage of knowledge, hence forming the assessment system on the exam itself. All of this is entirely possible. Already now tutoring for the exam, for the most part cheating.

[GRIGORIY76]

People, do not get fooled if this party really wanted to fight for power, and not be "pocket", it would not even be registered.
And so this is a stupid spoiler in the framework of the rescue operation "edrisnya-2020".

[ZaharoFF]

For all the good and against all the bad. Who would doubt that.

[My_log_in]

Well, anyway: a spoiler is a non-spoiler, populists are non-populists, and FOR the abolition of the USE with all my heart - FOR !!!

[ultra]

Quote: My_Log_In

and for the abolition of the exam with all my heart - FOR !!!

Let's cancel and what will it change? Up there about the plumbing, the tap and the system they wrote, didn’t you read?

[Million]

Okhlobystin is right in this case! But hardly anyone will cancel the exam.
The current government cannot admit its mistakes

[Gardamir]

Maybe the party should have been called for the abolition of the ege, otherwise they didn’t start right from that.

[Svarog]

Quote: Gardamir

Maybe the party should have been called for the abolition of the ege, otherwise they didn’t start right from that.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Gardamir

Maybe the party should have been called for the abolition of the ege, otherwise they didn’t start right from that.

Salute to Gardamira! You are fighting slowly. The creative disappeared in the apeshka, apparently the "cement" was arrested somewhere again
You can normally call it, for example, "for all the garbage", "steven and company", "sticking a friend of a man", "trimushketeer", "interns 2.0 forward", "party of support for Siberian Cranes", "for garbage without a stench" that's a beauty !

[Gardamir]

Hello! For a long time not seen. By the way, I agree about the creative. Same. For the sake of interest, I even started to invent something original. But I won’t tell the gentlemen from the AP.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Gardamir

Gardamir

And I’m not getting out of my lips, local guards don’t love me They say: "How to find fault with our good order. Buy a garden - and bury your nose in the beds. Plant root crops, grow onions And sing songs in the company of dear friends."
Comrade, I think, as soon as the "doping" will give them a lift, they will come up with something else, there are still niches not involved "Women for Peace".
"For victory",
"For a pleasant conversation"
"For the scientific works"
"For the protection of the whole environment",

[Gardamir]

This is yes! By the way, the topic is not serious for any of the cooks. This is the topic of Lukashenko robbing Russia, all the guards are immediately pulled up.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Gardamir

Gardamir

Well, what about, it's Old Man vrazhin sucked all the oil from us and sent it to offshore, and so that it wouldn’t be noticeable, set fire to the taiga, and then flooded everything.

[Gene84]

Quote: Gardamir

Maybe the party should have been called for the abolition of the ege

maybe it was better not to create it at all? the sense of them will be zero. so populist slogans shout and that's it.

[Alexander X]

If they promise: cancel the exam; to achieve social orientation of the state; the introduction of confiscation of all property from the bribe-takers and their affiliates in the amount not confirmed by income statements; return of the death penalty for pedophilia, betrayal, theft and bribery on an especially large scale; introduction of criminal and material liability of top managers managing state projects; a ban on holding foreign accounts for officials and civil servants; cancellation of pensions reforms and the ban on double or more citizenship for members of the government, officials, etc. - I vote for Prilepin and his party ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Alexander X

Alexander X (Alexander)

And you are a dreamer. A party with such declarations will never be registered ...

[Gene84]

Quote: Alexander X

If they promise

in our country, most parties and deputies promise and do nothing. these also promise all

[Dizel200]

For our part, we add that the USE system has both many opponents and many supporters. Those who favor the preservation of the USE argue that it is impossible to give a bribe to the teacher when passing the exam, and they are opposed to the “narrowness” of tests that prevent the student from “fully opening up”.

. It’s interesting, but how in the North Caucasus are all the guys from USE auls writing 300 points?))) The truth is interesting. Everything is bought and the fact that it is impossible to give a bribe is just noodles on the ears.

[Sotskiy]

Those in favor of preserving the exam argue this as the inability to give a bribe to the teacher when passing the exam

Of course, it’s impossible, because now they give not one, but several teachers at once, to turn a blind eye to the fact that a third teacher is sitting in the next building and decides for the examiner this exam . At least that was three years ago.

[Doctor]

Of course, it’s impossible, because now they give not one, but several teachers at once, to turn a blind eye to the fact that the third teacher is sitting in the next building and decides for the examiner this same Unified State Examination laughing. At least that was three years ago.

Three years ago, online video cameras were installed in all the audiences of the country, which broadcast the process of passing to control points where students of law schools were grazing everyone. It was their student practice. They themselves did not even know the region of control. If a violation is detected, a call is immediately made to a certain number and the controller displays it from the audience.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Arzt

If a violation is detected, a call is immediately made to a certain number and the controller displays it from the audience.

Something about such "conclusions" I have not heard, the "examinee" passed, the one who wrote for him received his due reward.

[Professor Preobrazhensky]

Jeff Monson - an American fighter without rules, is a deputy of the urban district of Krasnogorsk.
Steven Seagal - American actor, became one of the founders of the Russian party "For Truth"
For some reason, Sylvester Stallone, Jackie Chan, Chuck Noris did not have a lot ...

[mat-vey]

Quote: Professor Preobrazhensky

For some reason, Sylvester Stallone, Jackie Chan, Chuck Noris did not have a lot ...

Do they have dual citizenship?

[Livonetc]

You and cards in hand.
Act as an agitator.

[Gene84]

Quote: Professor Preobrazhensky

For some reason, there was no inheritance Sylvester Stallone, Jackie Chan, Chuck Noris

they are not citizens of Russia yet. become citizens and create a new party)))

[Livonetc]

Let him advocate the abolition of pension reform and the return to the constitution of the right to work.
In general, wild capitalism must be limited.

[Gene84]

Quote: Livonetc

In general, wild capitalism must be limited

It is high time. they just won’t do it with us. not beneficial to the oligarchs.

[Stalllker]

USE in the furnace and it's time

[Doctor]

USE in the furnace and it's time

What in return? Again, an oral interview at universities?
Do you think our children will win there Rublevsky and Caucasian?

[Gene84]

normal entrance exams. as in the days of the USSR

[Stalllker]

And here ruble and Caucasian ??? Caucasian and so in mountain schools pass the exam, on the periphery it is easier to do, Rublev study abroad. The meaning of your comment ???? I am for a model of Soviet education

[Doctor]

The meaning of your comment?

The exam is objective. It gives at least some chance for ordinary people to do it. If you make the admissions committees again, they will be bought, because in the days of the USSR there were no millionaires.

[Stalllker]

Based on your words, now some are not easy to study at the university

[Doctor]

Based on your words, now some are not easy to study at the university

On the contrary. Now everyone has a chance. Anyone can prepare for the exam and pass it well. Moreover, it is much more complicated than in the USSR. Yes, those who have money hire tutors and go on a headscarf. But no one will already lead, before passing the exam, a dozen and a half dozen sons of generals, colonels and other criminals, as in my time.

[Stalllker]

What stupid thing? What country are you from???

[Doctor]

What stupid thing? What country are you from???

No stupidity. Five years ago, the eldest entered a prestigious Moscow university. In her group On the budget, most of the regions are nerds.
Do you know what was called the Military Medical Academy under the USSR?
Fathers and Sons
Before the exam, everyone who was involved in admission in September changed cars.
And now that’s all.
Squeeze 280 points and you are a cadet.

Russia of course.

[Stalllker]

Moscow is not all Russia

[Doctor]

Moscow is not all Russia

So in regional universities even less entrance!
Stavropol honey 180 points in three subjects.
Hand over Russian, chemistry and biology at 60 points and you are a student!
And under the Soviets, there were 220 applications for 800 seats, that is, a competition like 4 people per seat.
But in fact, 60 places will be scooped up by the preparatory department; another 100-120 will be bought by children of mountains and steppes.
Total real competition as in GITIS.

[Stalllker]

There are the Urals, Siberia and the Far East. Go sleep

[Doctor]

There are the Urals, Siberia and the Far East. Go sleep

I woke up, looked at the sites of admissions offices specifically for you.
He took the leading medical universities of the regions, medical faculties.

Ekaterinburg - 248 points.
Novosibirsk - 242 points.
Khabarovsk - 219 points.

It is quite capable for average minds. But this is free distribution.

And the bulk comes in the target direction - they take a piece of paper in the hospital with the obligation to work 5 years.
For example, Yekaterinburg, the lower level is 177 points.
You need to be down, so as not to pass Russian at 67, chemistry at 55, biology at 55.

[Stalllker]

Look MTF, TEF, RTF

[Doctor]

Look MTF, TEF, RTF

The biggest competition
MTF - chemical technology - 238 points.
The smallest
MTF - Materials Science and Technology of Materials - 125
REF - 130-140 points
Nothing is impossible.

But the question is different.
Now no doom.
And do not go anywhere to spend money.
I passed normally in my native village and choose according to my strength.

[Stalllker]

Calm down, this information is not interesting to me

[Stalllker]

The essence of the problem is not in blat, but in education in general

[Gardamir]

A little to the side. It so happened that I do not watch, listen or read Platoshkin’s speeches. And I’m not going to.
There are many things to promise. I can promise that I’ll plant Chubais. Vote for me.
But I am a realist. I will vote for the bourgeois who will simply improve our kleptocratic-oligarchic system.
If you ask to be understanding, then understand me first.

[Gene84]

Quote: Gardamir

I will vote for the bourgeois who will simply improve our kleptocratic-oligarchic system.

but first he will promise the same. and how to understand that he will fulfill a promise? that is the question.

[Gardamir]

I agree it is difficult. But looking for the middle from everything will be fine, until you have to be patient.

[Lexus]

I agree it is difficult. But looking for the middle from everything will be fine, until you have to be patient.

Deeds are nothing - HYIP everything! Even "those" who have not only ALL the possibilities, but also direct responsibilities, have long been "sparkling" with nothing but empty promises. Whatever "message" is, so another "bedtime story".

[ultra]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

but some proposals are not serious yet

So it’s on purpose, that people would be distracted from serious problems. As well as with amendments to the constitution, in order to push through the status of the state council. Why not just mask it with double citizenship and indexation of pensions ......

[Gene84]

Quote: ultra

So it’s on purpose, that people would be distracted from serious problems. As well as with amendments to the constitution, in order to push through the status of the state council. Why not just mask it with double citizenship and indexation of pensions ......

absolutely, colleague, I agree with you

[My_log_in]

Quote: ultra

Quote: My_Log_In

and for the abolition of the exam with all my heart - FOR !!!

Let's cancel and what will it change? Up there about the plumbing, the tap and the system they wrote, didn’t you read?

did not pay attention (and now too), sorry. Cancel - exams will remain, not a "guessing game". The style of preparing for the exam is completely different and the people (teachers) who remember this are not all retired yet.

[ultra]

Quote: populist

He’s just better disguised.

Once again I am writing to you, look what PLATOSHKIN SAYS about the candidates. You are not in the subject of the word at all. Therefore, write nonsense.

[populist]

ultra (Michael) Today, 11:18 am New

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Quote: populist
He’s just better disguised.

Once again I am writing to you, look what PLATOSHKIN SAYS about the candidates. You are not in the subject of the word at all. Therefore, write nonsense.

You better look, - Yu. Boldyrev about Platoshkin.
But even before Boldyrev, it was clear that Platoshkin was being promoted by the authorities.
Such people are constantly being created for deception. He is not the first, he is not the last.

[ultra]

You are an experienced Yabloko player! Then everything is clear.

[populist]

Quote: ultra

You are an experienced Yabloko player! Then everything is clear.

I am a supporter of the Communist Party.
Yuri Boldyrev left Yabloko back in 1995, two years after the creation of this party due to cardinal disagreements. In 2012, the politician became Zyuganov's confidant in the presidential elections.
So in this matter you are 25 years behind life.
Read Boldyrev’s books, watch his speeches. I think you will find harmony with your views. By the way. Boldyrev against the presidential amendments.

[Gene84]

Quote: populist

Yu. Boldyrev

Boldyrev, Lukin, Yavlinsky
an apple is not a serious party. one continuous liberalism.

[Simfy]

The exam in a corrupt country is necessary, but the level of education (before the exam is 11 years old must still be unlearned) must be increased, the curriculum should be revised, but these are not populist statements, but serious work.

[exo]

A bold initiative! And be sure to fix it in the constitution. This is now fashionable.

[Klmn]

Maybe someone will explain to me why the exam is so bad. Himself and Latvia, we have this chip for a long time, and there are really very difficult exams, it usually consists of 3 parts on increasing, the first tests, with your additions, the second kind of like for example a different cell structure (in biology) and about 10 similar of questions, then either an essay on a given topic, or as a math tutorial an extremely complicated task, and in languages, we have Latvian and English obligations, so there’s also talk on various topics of the order of half an hour, and all this time you’ve been written down. In short, in schools 2-3 months before exams are only prepared for exams, a run on all topics.
But then you get the results, and you go to the university for them, without any additional exams.
What is the problem with him in Russia?

[Alex Justice]

In Australia, the same thing. Everyone is happy. Unified State Examination is the elimination of the losers.
My nephew passed perfectly. All universities hunted him, dreamed of getting him.

[Bshkaus]

An elephant climbed into the china shop ...
Forgive me, of course, but there is a concept form и content.

as a completely "pointless tool" that does not make children more enlightened

USE is only form assessment of knowledge, and do not confuse it with content studying programs.
If a student, based on the results of a single exam, has the opportunity to enter any university without corruption, as was the case even when I entered, then what’s wrong with that?
If the parents have not instilled in their offspring a love of knowledge for 10 years of study, then there is no difference how to test the "goof", in the form of the Unified State Exam, oral or written exam, one way is to volunteer to Donbass.
And in general - a good "party" turned out: first Zakharka fought, then he was carried into creativity (exactly on the eve of the commemoration, Zakharchenko merged beautifully. Seeing at the Moscow Art Theater realized, became famous all over the world, did you want even greater peaks?
With Okhlobystin, the same topic, I already decided, was a God-pleasing or secular way of life with all the grave.
That one, that the other, both in the circus to act as individuals, do not represent anything from themselves, a rotten rod ...

[Russian_man]

I’m afraid that if these incomprehensible people are allowed to gird, they will not be able to offer such a thing.
I think the first thing they will try to Orthodox canonize Steven Seagal or his accomplices. They will definitely need something like that ... such as sublime)). Otherwise, simply with one surname "Prilepin" and the mention of the word "truth" from scratch, one cannot go far ...

[ddmitrij]

What do they offer in return? And then you can cancel anything.

[Servisinzhener]

As a person who has a chemistry teacher in the second specialty of higher education (I do not work in it). I can say that the problem of our education is not in the exam. USE is a tool for measuring knowledge. As a ruler, the measurement tool is long. The problem is that the level of education is such that what it does not measure is about zero.
I believe that it is necessary to correct the situation not with the abolition of the exam. And replacing it with other forms of knowledge testing. And with the transfer of school education from regional subordination to the federal level. Because this part of public life is no less important than the army and the police.
The introduction of a unified training program throughout the country with textbooks, manuals, lesson plans, etc. Yes, I understand that this will kill the creativity of a certain number of teachers. But units come up with something new and it does not go beyond their class. And the vast majority of teachers from year to year write this waste paper to anyone. All these annual and hourly plans. Individual people check this out. And God forbid that something will not happen. All these plans and instructions must be made and distributed in finished form to the final performers - teachers.
But what must be abandoned is the Bologna system. For our country, the situation when our diplomas are not recognized in the West will be a blessing. Because this will put a barrier to the mass outflow of specialists. Those who really need to work there in their specialty will retake exams. And those who need a specific person with a specific competence from Russia will turn a blind eye to a diploma of the wrong standard.
A ban on publishing in English and in foreign journals is also required. Like the ratings of our scientists based on these publications.

[Alexander S.]

Ban on English? Iron curtain? 80% of the medicine is in English. How to be An interesting approach. Soviet .. nomenclature

[Servisinzhener]

For publication in English, not for reading.

[Alexander S.]

Again this populism..with the cancellation of the ege..for a return to the 90s .. in the era of corruption everywhere and everywhere. Just such a batch in the furnace.