Mikhail Gorbachev is a hero in the West, but not in the Homeland

Mikhail Gorbachev is a hero in the West, but not in the Homeland

In connection with the approaching anniversary of the birth of the last Secretary General and the first (and also the last) President of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, thoughts arise about the real phenomenon of this extremely ambiguous historical figures. Mikhail Sergeyevich, who has become the symbol of an entire era, is just as eagerly extolled in Western countries as they amicably criticized and even hate where his ebullient activity left the most indelible mark - in the so-called “post-Soviet space”.


Was his coming to power and the ensuing “perestroika” that culminated in the collapse of one of the greatest powers in the world, the inevitability or fatal mistake of history? What was more in the actions of Gorbachev and his associates - a conscientious error, the desire to “do better”, combined with incompetence and misunderstanding of the obvious things, or frank betrayal, the desire to simply “surrender” your country to its opponents in the Cold War? Disputes about this are going on to this day and will last, apparently, for a long time. Nevertheless, it should be noted - in recent years, the attitude of the citizens of our country towards the ruler that has brought it down in a series of terrifying economic, social and even military cataclysms has become increasingly negative. This is clearly not the case when time heals wounds and alleviates the pain of loss ...

And how, by and large, can be attributed to “bona fide delusions” the consistent and many years of activity of the then ruling elite of the USSR in the systematic surrender of the country's national interests in all areas without exception? One can try to apply such an explanation, perhaps, to the thoughtlessly and absurdly conducted Gorbachev campaign for “sobriety”, which began with seemingly positive results, but ended with an increase in speculation, an explosion of drug addiction and the country's enormous economic losses. However, it was simply impossible to assume that the Secretary General of the CPSU Central Committee, who had vast political experience, did not understand what his actions would be to undermine the ideological foundations of the state, blacken its history, and revise its unquestioned postulates, such as the role of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War. Under the guise of "democratization" and "glasnost," not only the socialist, but also the patriotic, worldview of citizens was systematically destroyed, and they were pushed to unconditionally accept the so-called "Western values."

Gorbachev’s foreign policy miscalculations, which, in essence, are a continuous series of “unconditional surrender” to the United States and NATO countries, are out of the question. On the one hand - the shameless betrayal of all the countries that trusted the Soviet Union (from Cuba to Eastern Europe), on the other - the instant fulfillment of any, even the most challenging, most unreasonable demands of the "Western partners." Moreover, according to the recollections of numerous high-ranking politicians who represented our “opponents” in those years (why not believe them?), They themselves were sometimes amazed at how easily Gorbachev made concessions, which they themselves could not even dream of , far surpassing in their own initiatives the most arrogant claims of those who were with him at the same negotiating table. "He gave everything without even bargaining!" - A similar assessment is found in the memoirs of many Western military, diplomats, and officials of those years.

Owing to this, of course, the fact of almost adoring Mikhail Sergeyevich on the part of those whom he “live in good health” gave a victory in the confrontation, which they did not expect to win with such phenomenal ease, is absolutely unsurprising!

The Nobel Peace Prize, many awards - both state and received from various NGOs, foundations and unions ... In truth, against the background of the contempt that exists with respect to Gorbachev in his native land, all this pretty much looks like the notorious " thirty pieces of silver. " Whatever he conceived, starting his “perestroika” and “acceleration”, in the end, chaos, horror and poverty for millions of people turned out to be a series of regional conflicts, some of which continue to this day. And also - geopolitical changes in the form of creating a "unipolar world" led by the United States, the consequences of which our country is now forced to overcome.

All this is already a story that cannot be rewritten, neither justified nor refuted. That is why the attitude towards Mikhail Gorbachev will remain polar: one is for those to whom he gave power over the world, and a completely different one is for those whose house he destroyed.
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  1. Olgovich 19 February 2020 07: 57 New
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    the attitude to Mikhail Gorbachev will remain polar: one is for those to whom he gave power over the world, and a completely different one is for those whose house he destroyed.

    The attitude is simple: he is a bastard, a traitor, a rag, a loser and an outright turak!
    1. Snail N9 19 February 2020 08: 03 New
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      Well, actually, why write such provocative articles .... it is clear that the vast majority of those "whose house he destroyed" are ready to, now, just tear it up. However ... I won’t forget how the same people laughed enthusiastically, as they used to say “scoop”, marched with portraits of Yeltsin, banged their helmets, and bawled songs under the Kremlin walls, defending future “liberal freedom” and “jeans” and gum ", which were then considered landmarks for the future, such as under capitalism," we will truly heal "..." Healed "are only a few, moreover, are" very few ", but the rest are the majority .... they are now, these "few" with a mockery, called the "second oil" .... Blame only Gorbachev for everything that happened? Too simple and convenient position for so many, such as he alone destroyed everything .... yeah ....
      1. Stas157 19 February 2020 08: 10 New
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        Frankly weak and irresponsible leader. He brought the country to the Bialowieza Accords and gave birth to Yeltsin (who withdrew it).
        1. Arlen 19 February 2020 08: 16 New
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          Quote: Stas157
          Frankly weak and irresponsible leader

          He purposefully destroyed the USSR. He lied to all the citizens of the Great Country. He creeped before the west. And still has not been punished for treason against the Soviet Union and its citizens.
          1. Malyuta 19 February 2020 08: 24 New
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            Quote: Arlen
            He purposefully destroyed the USSR. He lied to all the citizens of the Great Country. He creeped before the west. And still has not been punished for treason against the Soviet Union and its citizens.

            I agree, this is precisely the scoundrel who destroyed our homeland! But it should be noted that Dmitry Anatolych and Vladimir Vladimirich awarded this character with state awards !!!
            1. Arlen 19 February 2020 08: 28 New
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              Quote: Malyuta
              Dmitry Anatolich and Vladimir Vladimirich awarded this character with state awards !!!

              They should not have awarded him, but put him on trial! As a real enemy of the people! But here, all those responsible for the collapse of the state have been given indulgence from criminal prosecution. The question is why and why?
              1. tihonmarine 19 February 2020 11: 09 New
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                Quote: Arlen
                They should not have awarded him, but put him on trial! As a real enemy of the people!

                The raven will not pierce the crow's eye.
            2. Svarog 19 February 2020 08: 29 New
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              Quote: Malyuta
              Quote: Arlen
              He purposefully destroyed the USSR. He lied to all the citizens of the Great Country. He creeped before the west. And still has not been punished for treason against the Soviet Union and its citizens.

              I agree, this is precisely the scoundrel who destroyed our homeland! But it should be noted that Dmitry Anatolych and Vladimir Vladimirich awarded this character with state awards !!!

              And he doesn’t have problems with a pension of -600 thousand rubles .. Dmitry Anatolyevich is also not a sickly ZP in a new place .. For what merits I would understand ..
              1. Malyuta 19 February 2020 08: 36 New
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                Quote: Svarog
                And he doesn’t have problems with a pension of -600 thousand rubles .. Dmitry Anatolyevich is also not a sickly ZP in a new place .. For what merits I would understand ..

                The current government is one of the main beneficiaries of the collapse of the USSR.
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              2. Krasnoyarsk 19 February 2020 11: 02 New
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                Quote: Svarog

                And he doesn’t have problems with a pension of -600 thousand rubles .. Dmitry Anatolyevich is also not a sickly ZP in a new place .. For what merits I would understand ..

                Well, what about? You do not know for what merits a humpback pension receives? And who brought the bourgeois to power? !! So they pay him a pension for this. If, before that, he set the future bourgeoisie a condition of 10 lemons, they would have paid him 10 lemons. And they pay DAM for the accelerated development of the oil and gas sector of the mining industry to the detriment of the comprehensive development of the Russian economy.
            3. Stas157 19 February 2020 08: 37 New
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              Quote: Malyuta
              Dmitry Anatolich and Vladimir Vladimirich awarded this character with state awards !!!

              This is understandable, because it was thanks to Gorbachev that they ended up in power, and the oligarchs had grandmothers (the Communists only planted mines!).
              1. Arlen 19 February 2020 08: 44 New
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                Quote: Stas157
                the communists only planted mines

                Yes, the Communists have laid such mines that we still live off the communist legacy!
                1. Stas157 19 February 2020 08: 51 New
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                  But from the high stands they say differently - they say that they did not do any horseradish except galoshes. And the statement was especially delivered, they say, the Soviet leaders are just lazy in comparison with the current galley rowers.
              2. Krasnoyarsk 19 February 2020 11: 05 New
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                Quote: Stas157
                (the Communists only planted mines!).

                The Communists, or rather MEMBERS of the CPSU, and this is not the same thing, was 18 million. Who exactly did you mean, me? If me, then for this you can snout ...
                1. Stas157 19 February 2020 11: 57 New
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                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Who do you specifically meanme? If me, then for this you can snout ...

                  Krasnoyarsk, you don’t understand sarcasm at all. It was about Putin. You didn’t hear Putin’s words, who did he accuse of laying mines there under the millennium-old Russian statehood? No? But everyone heard.

                  P.S. Especially for Krasnoyarsk: No, it wasn’t you who Putin meant.
                  1. Krasnoyarsk 19 February 2020 14: 00 New
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                    Quote: Stas157
                    P.S. Especially for Krasnoyarsk: No, it was not you who Putin meant.

                    Well, thanks for that too. Just when you remember the Communists with an evil word, remember those who raised the battalions in the attack. Remember that there were communists and there were party tickets. You can understand the difference and without explanation.
                    1. Stas157 19 February 2020 15: 00 New
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                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Just when you remember the Communists with an evil word

                      Dear Krasnoyarsk. Look carefully at my comments. I always advocate only for the Communists. And the fact that I, I say, remember them with an evil word - you thought. hi
          2. tihonmarine 19 February 2020 11: 12 New
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            Quote: Arlen
            He creeped before the west

            Or maybe he worked for him.
            1. Arlen 19 February 2020 11: 15 New
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              Both. And creeped and worked at the same time hi
              1. tihonmarine 19 February 2020 11: 41 New
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                Quote: Arlen
                And creeped and worked at the same time

                By creeping and licking, Misha Deer has no equal in the world, virtuoso!
          3. NEXUS 19 February 2020 14: 12 New
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            Quote: Arlen
            He purposefully destroyed the USSR. He lied to all the citizens of the Great Country. He creeped before the west. And still has not been punished for treason against the Soviet Union and its citizens.

            To return the pood medal that Peter ordered for Mazepa, on which was the word-JUDAH and hung on the neck of this muskrat. Well on the forehead with a bald spot to burn a brand with the same word.
            1. Arlen 19 February 2020 18: 05 New
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              Quote: NEXUS
              To return the pood medal that Peter ordered for Mazepa, on which was the word-JUDAH and hung on the neck of this muskrat. Well on the forehead with a bald spot to burn a brand with the same word.

              good good good hi
        2. Malyuta 19 February 2020 08: 29 New
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          Quote: Stas157
          Frankly weak and irresponsible leader. He brought the country to the Bialowieza Accords and gave birth to Yeltsin, who removed it.

          It was an agreement !!!
        3. tihonmarine 19 February 2020 10: 35 New
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          Quote: Stas157
          Frankly weak and irresponsible leader.

          Adept of Washington.
      2. rocket757 19 February 2020 08: 19 New
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        Quote: Snail N9
        the same people ruined with rapture, as they used to say, “scoop”, marched with portraits of Yeltsin, pounded with helmets, and bawled songs under the walls

        The devastation in the heads was, for many, but the collapse on the same heads fell from the very top!
        However, the devastation in the heads did not occur on its own.
        1. mat-vey 19 February 2020 09: 40 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          However, the devastation in the heads did not occur on its own.

          I completely agree ... Brain filth went to the fullest .. And the "foremen" how many were found ..
          1. rocket757 19 February 2020 09: 47 New
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            I will not say that the “brain” before that was virgin clean and healthy, not prepared for the “attack”, it is a fact.
            Bright ideas, it’s wonderful, but when a person comes to them THROUGH THE FIGHT, it’s forever ... and when he is just in a “perfectly sterile environment”, NO immunity is gained!
            There were mistakes .. but maybe it's just a thoughtful diversion? Who will now understand how it really was.
            1. mat-vey 19 February 2020 09: 52 New
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              Who will now understand how it really was.

              ... that first it is necessary to “strike Lenin’s authority on Stalin,” after which Plekhanov and the Social Democracy will strike Lenin, if successful, liberalism and “moral socialism” - on revolutionaryism in general.
              - "as if by notes"
              1. rocket757 19 February 2020 09: 56 New
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                Just ideology, slogans, so save anything, stand apart DO NOT GET!
                Only knowledge guarantees stability in any situation ... from here we repeat for the founder, "Learns, learns and learns again!"
                1. mat-vey 19 February 2020 09: 57 New
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                  Quote: rocket757
                  Only knowledge guarantees stability in any situation ... from here we repeat for the founder, "Learns, learns and learns again!"

                  And who will teach?
                  1. rocket757 19 February 2020 10: 01 New
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                    And who will teach?

                    But this is the CORRECT question, relevant as never before!
                    If at the very beginning, one can hope for the sanity of the parents, then further full of bedlam!
                    I have NO answer. Therefore, I do everything I can, where I can.
                    1. mat-vey 19 February 2020 10: 14 New
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                      Units “enlighten” themselves, again, units “enlighten” parents, well, even the little ones who “do everything I can” - the bulk “until the thunder strikes — the man does not cross himself.” So being beaten up - being determines consciousness and the worse the worse better (but worse).
                      1. rocket757 19 February 2020 10: 18 New
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                        Quote: mat-vey
                        So already battered - being determines consciousness and the worse the better (but worse).

                        We ourselves must create our being, to the extent of our awareness ... and this again brings us to the main thing, which can help in this matter, we must LEARN!
                        The circle is not closed, but it can become one.
                      2. mat-vey 19 February 2020 10: 23 New
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                        And the circle doesn’t close - we again went to another round of the spiral ... Everything starts again from the beginning, but ... but now there is already the experience of the USSR, and this, as I understand it, is even worse than naked Marxism ..
                      3. rocket757 19 February 2020 10: 28 New
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                        Why is Marxism so scary ... ordinary scientific research in an area where not everything can be measured and predicted accurately and forever?
                        This is not a guide, for some reason there ... PEOPLE make it there for something, but they tend to make mistakes.
                      4. mat-vey 19 February 2020 10: 32 New
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                        Well, you still have to learn and teach)))))
                      5. rocket757 19 February 2020 10: 38 New
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                        Do not make the worst out of what cannot be such by definition.
                      6. mat-vey 19 February 2020 10: 41 New
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                        Without theory, we die, death!
                        I.V. Stalin
                      7. rocket757 19 February 2020 12: 02 New
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                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Without theory, we die, death!
                        I.V. Stalin

                        No questions. This no longer requires proof, although the theory must be reinforced and reinforced again.
                      8. mat-vey 19 February 2020 12: 05 New
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                        Well, there is already classical philosophy - practice is the criterion of truth.
                        And Stalin just believed theory and practice ..
                      9. rocket757 19 February 2020 12: 09 New
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                        The entire history of the first state of the Soviets can be divided into periods before and after ... complete confirmation of the theory, if we examine it more carefully, and not just one.
                      10. mat-vey 19 February 2020 13: 08 New
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                        Well, just after death, the theory became not very ... Neither theorists, nor theories ... even already proven practice.
                      11. rocket757 19 February 2020 14: 14 New
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                        Convincing evidence that without a theory anywhere, as well as the fact that amateurs climb their understanding / misunderstanding into serious such matters, there will be no sense, and harm will not be measured. Practice has proven the truth, only.
  • ser56 20 February 2020 15: 01 New
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    Quote: mat-vey
    And who will teach?

    the question is not right - not who, but what! Life, practice!
    If the leadership of the USSR did not engage in dogmatism, but accept reality, if only as Lenin, who recognized the failure of military communism and introduced the NEP, then perestroika would go according to a scenario close to Chinese ... request However, since the IVS, especially after the mid-30s, there has been no recognition of failures - there were only achievements and victories ... request
    1. mat-vey 20 February 2020 15: 07 New
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      at least like Lenin, who recognized the failure of war communism and introduced the NEP

      And Lenin "who" or "what"?
      1. ser56 20 February 2020 15: 17 New
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        And Lenin "who" or "what"?

        It’s who it was, who made the decision, on the basis of the practice of state development in the era of military communism — he recognized its failure and raised the question of a paradigm shift ... hi Alas, history acts through individuals, and they are of different caliber ... Gorbi was not able to find a way out of the impasse of the USSR, although there was already an example of China ... request
      2. mat-vey 20 February 2020 15: 18 New
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        There are many words, but Lenin is still "who."
      3. ser56 20 February 2020 15: 25 New
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        Wil it who

        Quote: mat-vey
        but Lenin is still "who."

        Do you have trouble understanding the text? bully
      4. mat-vey 20 February 2020 15: 28 New
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        It seems to you that life constantly teaches everyone, but to draw conclusions and find the skill and courage to teach others can only be a person - animate creature "who."
      5. ser56 20 February 2020 15: 56 New
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        Quote: mat-vey
        but to draw conclusions

        Based on what? bully Until 1917, VIL had only views on the development of the country and he taught his followers, after 4 years in power, they changed dramatically ... bully
        Quote: mat-vey
        It looks like you learn life all the time

        Exactly! but it seems you are not teaching anything ... request
      6. mat-vey 20 February 2020 16: 00 New
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        He doesn’t teach, doesn’t teach ... Capital didn’t write to Marx, but to life ... and he wrote all his life for Lenin.
      7. ser56 20 February 2020 17: 14 New
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        . "Capital" was not written by K. Marx, but life ..

        and what, the end of capitalism has already come, as promised Capital? bully
      8. mat-vey 20 February 2020 17: 15 New
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        Quote: ser56
        Do you have trouble understanding the text?
      9. ser56 20 February 2020 17: 27 New
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        Quote: mat-vey
        Do you have trouble understanding the text?

        1) hit your quote box? bully
        2) Capital could not stand the test of life, and Marxism - practice .... request
      10. mat-vey 20 February 2020 17: 30 New
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        "1) hit your quote sheet?" - Yes, why do I have such an honor and happiness.
        "2) Capital could not stand the test of life, and Marxism - by practice ...." - are you from the future?
      11. ser56 20 February 2020 17: 47 New
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        Quote: mat-vey
        Yes, why am I so honored and happy.

        see your message Today, 17:15 - already sclerosis? bully
        Quote: mat-vey
        Are you from the future?

        for the writer of Capital - yes! More than 150 years of 1t ... request
  • Reptiloid 22 February 2020 04: 30 New
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    Tagged not only that he was not capable, not only that, he was not going to search for anything, he didn’t need to search for a capacitor personally. He was already set to ruin everything. For the show, he invited the Nobel Laureate economist V.V. Leontiev from the states (search engine to help)
    Leontyev and his team analyzed the economy of the USSR and the conclusion was that there are problems, but they are completely solvable.
    At the same time, from the states, Zinoviev wrote a marked letter to the labeled about problems in the states.
    However, Leontiev did not publish the marked conclusions, he did not pay attention to Zinoviev.
    He began to ruin everything
    Malta arrived, surrendered everyone.
    Quote: ser56
    Quote: mat-vey
    And Lenin "who" or "what"?

    It’s who it was, who made the decision, on the basis of the practice of state development in the era of military communism — he recognized its failure and raised the question of a paradigm shift ... hi Alas, history acts through individuals, and they are of different caliber ... Gorbi was not able to find a way out of the impasse of the USSR, although there was already an example of China ... request
  • Sling cutter 19 February 2020 10: 27 New
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    Quote: mat-vey
    ... that first it is necessary to “strike Lenin’s authority on Stalin,” after which Plekhanov and the Social Democracy will strike Lenin, if successful, liberalism and “moral socialism” - on revolutionaryism in general.

    Gorbachevo-Yakovlevschina clean water. I don’t remember where the quote came from, but what you started with the Khrushchev, and when you completed the sword-bearer-bearer “as if by notes” is that you are right. + You.
    1. mat-vey 19 February 2020 10: 31 New
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      Quote: Stroporez
      that under Khrushchev they began, and under the Swordsman-bearer, they completed "as if by notes"

      This never stopped - even though the "Bolsheviks" are "Mensheviks", and only then how it goes ... depends on the specific historical situation.
    2. bessmertniy 19 February 2020 12: 16 New
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      He summed up his senior comrades - he defamed the Soviet system and surrendered the country to plunder by okhloedami. am
  • tihonmarine 19 February 2020 10: 38 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    However, the devastation in the heads did not occur on its own.

    For six years, the people were stuffed with anti-Soviet propaganda, the consequences were expected.
    1. rocket757 19 February 2020 11: 26 New
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      It was only later ... before the collapse, everything became thinner, not very noticeable, but no less effective according to the results.
      1. tihonmarine 19 February 2020 11: 45 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        It was only later ... before the collapse, everything became thinner, not very noticeable, but no less effective according to the results.

        Well, there were no fools. Everything is calculated and worked out. I didn’t live in Russia, everything was more noticeable there, all this subtle, purposeful work.
        1. rocket757 19 February 2020 11: 49 New
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          Here, too, WAS VISIBLE, to those who knew how to look and think.
          we simply limited ourselves, mainly to jokes, "talking in the kitchen \ in the smoking room", but in vain ....
          1. tihonmarine 19 February 2020 12: 16 New
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            Quote: rocket757
            we simply limited ourselves, mainly to jokes, "talking in the kitchen \ in the smoking room", but in vain

            Well, we would have closed our mouths right away, only the kitchen and jokes remained.
            1. rocket757 19 February 2020 12: 46 New
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              On the eve and in the end, their mouths were no longer shut ... although public efforts were not allowed.
              They began to cook Wednesday in advance and empty chatter did not contradict this in any way, but real indignation, much less public, for the time being, no one needed ... it later broke through when necessary. The planners worked as they needed.
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                Quote: rocket757
                Wednesday began to cook steel

                the environment was always just the level of repression decreased ... request
                1. rocket757 20 February 2020 17: 59 New
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                  Quote: ser56
                  the level of repression has decreased ...

                  The issue is controversial, even if we consider the different periods of the existence of the Country of Soviets.
                  Quote: ser56
                  Wednesday has always been

                  again, at different times for different reasons, for different reasons and at different levels of discontent.
                  And all the same, nothing could collide this mountain, the traitors had to act directly from the very top.
                  The fact that citizens did not rush to defend their country ... the topic is long, not simple.
                2. ser56 20 February 2020 18: 08 New
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                  Quote: rocket757
                  The issue is controversial, even if we consider different periods of existence

                  1) the last mass execution of workers in the USSR was 1961 in Novocherkassk ... request
                  2) the first more or less free elections led to the collapse ... request
                  Quote: rocket757
                  again, at different times for different reasons, for different reasons and at different levels of discontent.

                  people were genetically intimidated .... I remind you that there are still no strikes and strikes in the Russian Federation, access to the demonstration is almost a feat ... and if you recall RI, it was like in the West now - people knew how to protest ... request
                  Quote: rocket757
                  traitors had to act directly from the very top.

                  and you are not amused that the traitors were at the very top? bully however, they were there when the SV was initially - that Trotsky, that Stalin, that Khrushchev, etc. bully Like their children, socialism was for the people, and the offspring preferred MGIMO ... request
                  Quote: rocket757
                  The fact that citizens did not rush to defend their country ... the topic is long, not simple

                  you can complicate anything - it can all be easier - was the camp NOT your own? All got a deficit and a lie?
                3. rocket757 20 February 2020 18: 24 New
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                  Quote: ser56
                  1) the last mass execution of workers in the USSR was 1961 in Novocherkassk ...

                  Speak correctly, it was the ONLY SIMILAR INCIDENT !!! in the history of the USSR!
                  Tell me, did you KNOW this or are imprisoned to repeat any nonsense behind ... prompters?
                  Quote: ser56
                  people were genetically intimidated ..

                  I haven’t read such nonsense for a long time .... how did you dig something like that ???
                  In general, I'm not interested.
                4. Reptiloid 20 February 2020 21: 17 New
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                  What is it, Victor? Everyone who craps the USSR somehow cannot argue that if there were such disgusting things as they write, they would not have won the Second World War. !! After all, people really felt a new life and did not want to return to the old one, as it was under the tsar.
                  After Stalin's death, changes began from above, yes! After all, what were you thinking about? On equal relations with the West, as, however, marked. They did not understand. The West does not need Russia, equal to it, only a colony. Or did they understand, but it didn’t give a damn, just to crawl by ourselves?
                  As for the defense of the USSR ---- of course, the authority of the country was undermined for more than a decade, carefully. However, someone understood, it was different, they protested It’s just that it’s hard for me to talk about this topic, though I’m trying to understand and read it.
                  By the way, and with literature it’s difficult ...
                5. rocket757 20 February 2020 21: 30 New
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                  It is necessary to decide, to take a position, as they say. What are you, who are you, why are you, for whom are you.
                  I am for my people and my homeland!
                  The USSR is who and what concept invests in it .... such is the conversation / argument and it turns out.
                  And so in general, I can’t stand nonsense for nothing, for no one ...
                  He said a word, wrote, repeated, answer as yours! those. proved well done, lied ... get accordingly.
                6. Reptiloid 20 February 2020 21: 40 New
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                  In general, the theme of the destruction of the USSR is the most obscure of our history, in my opinion.
                  Now the staff members are declassifying documents, negotiations related to Yeltsin, I started to study about something .... Something is known about the tagged, something is not ....
                7. rocket757 20 February 2020 22: 34 New
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                  Theoretically, knowledge of history should save us from previous mistakes made earlier !!!
                  He didn’t even smile according to this assertion / assumption and remembered the old, eternal "rake", according to which everyone trampled over and over again!
                  so sho move forward. possibly jumping over the "old rake" !!!
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                  Quote: rocket757
                  Theoretically, knowledge of history should save us from old, previously committed errors side by side !!!
                  He didn’t even smile according to this assertion / assumption and remembered the old, eternal "rake", according to which everyone trampled over and over again!
                  so sho move forward. possibly jumping over the "old rake" !!!
                  I see the desire to ride a rake! Or ---- let’s say so, the desire to make the population gallop along the rake, while the more “smart” ones will do their tricks.
                  After all, there were slogans tagged, like, more socialism! Under these slogans, socialism was destroyed. So shchassss! Say, wrong capitalism in Russia! It is necessary to build the right capitalism. Here are the right ways to build the right one and we will live it! am
                  Bad analogies climb into the head about a rake, feudalism, the right of a dead hand, and so on ..... And why would the correct capitalism be built if its successful representatives themselves did not give up their "conquests"?
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                  We must build the right capitalism.

                  Ha, ha, the slogan is so-so.
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Here are the right ways to build the right one and we will live it!

                  This is absolutely for those who do not intend to climb down the willow tree, completely naive.
                10. Reptiloid 21 February 2020 09: 08 New
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                  Good morning Victor! hi Of course, funny! This I tried to simplistically convey the meaning of the promised promised reforms, one of which, pension reform, we see. am
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                  pension reform, we see.

                  Greetings Dmitry.
                  We see something that we feel in our own skin!
                  But how many wonderful discoveries to us ..... can cover us if we find out EVERYTHING !!!
                  That's how many people think - Or maybe NOT !!! -
                12. Reptiloid 21 February 2020 09: 56 New
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                  Of course, there is no need to transform capitalism, as this is the road to nowhere. bully negative
                  There should be a different direction
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                  There are not many options, more precisely, there is only one other option.
  • ser56 21 February 2020 11: 28 New
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    I am for my people and my homeland!

    not very noticeable ... the Bolsheviks are Russophobes, however, like their forerunner K. Marx ...
    no one has committed crimes against the Russian people in history, even the Mongol Tatars ... request
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    Everyone who craps the USSR somehow cannot reach the conclusion that if there were such disgusting things, as they write, they would not have won the Second World War.

    you have bad logic ... bully it is these "crap" that is one of the causes of many negative events in the Second World War, including losses, prisoners, Khivis, Vlasovites, etc.
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    felt a new life and did not want a return to the old, as was the case with the king

    therefore there were continuous uprisings of the peasants? Oh yes, in your coordinates it's fists ...
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    The West Does Not Need Russia Equal to It, Only a Colony

    you already decide-you are about the USSR or Russia? bully
  • ser56 21 February 2020 11: 18 New
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    Speak correctly, it was the ONLY SIMILAR INCIDENT !!! in the history of the USSR!

    Seriously? bully It is a pity that you do not know the history of Russia ... the first time the Bolsheviks shot a working demonstration in January 1918, even M. Gorky wrote about this ...
    Quote: rocket757
    whether sharpened to repeat any nonsense for ... prompters?

    Are you talking about yourself? request It’s a pity that you are not capable of discussion ...
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    In general, I'm not interested.

    This is noticeable - the denial of information that contradicts the picture of the world is the first sign of limitation ... hi
  • rocket757 21 February 2020 12: 00 New
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    You must BE ABLE TO READ CORRECTLY.
    Specifically indicated about the USSR. Party of the Bolsheviks in that period was no longer there, was the CPSU.
    Mixing concepts ... I'm not interested. All sisters have their own earrings, the ones they deserve.
    The period of the civil war can only be considered separately, because there are all sorts of events, different, very many. Enough for a hundred separate studies.
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    You must BE ABLE TO READ CORRECTLY.

    must be able to write correctly! repeat
    Quote: rocket757
    Specifically indicated about the USSR.

    and the RSFSR is not part of the USSR?
    Quote: rocket757
    Party of the Bolsheviks in that period was no longer there, was the CPSU.

    you are corny illiterate in this matter or have come up with some stupid things for yourself! bully
    The CPSU appeared after the RENAME OF THE CPSU (B.) (I emphasize that you should understand, since you love repeat ), it was done in 1952, at the 19th congress, i.e. during the life of the IVS and by his decision ... hi
    (b) - stands for - Bolsheviks ... I remind you of the requirement of the VIL to study. study and study ... bully
    Quote: rocket757
    The period of the civil war can only be considered separately.

    agreed, but the suppression of peasant uprisings in collectivization? And there were a lot of them ... request
    "In March 1930 alone, the OGPU counted 6.500 mass protests, of which 800 were suppressed with weapons."
    about 1962 - "On the same days, the workers rallies were in Omsk, Kemerovo, Donetsk, Artyomovsk, Kramatorsk. The authorities did not expect such a decisive protest from the workers."
    https://mosgu.ru/nauchnaya/publications/professor.ru/Krivoruchenko&Pygikov&Rodionov/
    I recommend reading - it will be useful ... hi
  • rocket757 21 February 2020 13: 43 New
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    Follow the rules, the accuracy of the wording.
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    1962 - "On the same days, the workers’ performances were in Omsk, Kemerovo, Donetsk, Artemovsk, Kramatorsk. The authorities did not expect such a decisive protest from the workers. "

    The ability of senior employees to resolve a crisis situation without the use of emergency says that the leaders in that place were not fools.
    We are not discussing Novocherkassk, the crime of specific people is a fact, not in dispute. The reasons are also obvious, known.
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    The RSFSR is not a part of the USSR?

    Obvious, but smeared by all reasoning. Just do not climb there.
    Quote: ser56
    The CPSU appeared after the RENAME OF THE CPSU (B.)

    This is a fact, but in 1962 there was already the CPSU ... the accuracy of the wording, I do not like reasoning about any type of law, continuity, law, consistency, etc. It was that, it became different, in fact, nothing has changed ... but we can change, we need to delve into it, but it is not particularly interesting. If you think about it ... yes, for any state, the right to pre-primatiles should stretch such a long train ... they remember and blame it when anyone needs it. If such a practice is justified for a particular person, then for a ton of completely different, new people it is worth discussing their specific actions, and not what they had nothing to do with it. I think that any act, crime has a specific name, it’s easier to assign everyone in an crowd, but will it be true?
    Is it just to appoint a guilty party? like, her ideology is so atrocious ... it needs to be looked and PROVEN.
    Quote: ser56
    "In March 1930 alone, the OGPU counted 6.500 mass protests, of which 800 were suppressed with weapons."

    For each case, accurate information is needed, who, how, and why. It is necessary to understand, but for now, to the side.
    PS is just obvious, explicit. The country of the Soviets was not a paradise on earth, for various reasons, objective and not. It is possible to compare with other countries, but it is difficult to do so in order to correctly, objectively succeed.
    The postulate - any power, in the end, serves the interests of not all, but only the ruling class, hence the excesses EVERYWHERE and ALWAYS, then the power protects itself by various methods.
    The top of any power seizes more and more rights, for members of the ruling elite and begins to cook in itself ... the end result is different.
    Good power is an eternal illusion, the degree of approximation of real life to this illusion is everywhere different.
    In the USSR, it seemed to many that reality was approaching illusion ... it all ends and it ended.
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    "The ability of senior employees to resolve a crisis situation without the use of emergency,"
    and create it with anti-people measures? That you are now criticizing the government (fair, by the way), and then varnishing ....
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    I don’t like reasoning about any type of succession right,

    Sorry, but you have verbiage from scratch ... request RSDLP (b) -RKP (b) -VKP (b) -KPSS is ONE party ... and your favorite ITT was all ... request
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    like, her ideology is so atrocious ... it needs to be looked and PROVEN.

    no problem, only 3 questions:
    1) Have you read K. Marx, F. Engels - KP Manifesto?
    2) VIL "How can we organize a competition", On the national pride of the Great Russians.
    3) Decision of the Council of People's Commissars on Red Terror
    If you are not enough? I can add later works ...
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    For each case, accurate information is needed, who, how, and why.

    demagogy and a race by the side - the OGPU has already figured out ... request
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    Good power is an eternal illusion

    who argues, but:
    1) even Hitler before the start of WW2 in the struggle for his power destroyed "only" several thousand German citizens!
    2) After winning the GV, Franco was able to reconcile a divided society, and here, even 100 years after the GV, many consider us white enemies and red angels ... angry But the White officers in the army were commanded by patriotic officers, and the Reds - bandits like the Yaponchik (regiment), Kotovsky (brigade), Makhno (division) request
    Quote: rocket757
    In the USSR, it seemed to many that reality was approaching illusion.

    I lived in the USSR for 31 years, as you didn’t notice what you indicated ...
  • rocket757 21 February 2020 19: 21 New
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    create it by anti-popular measures? That you are now criticizing the government (fair, by the way), and then varnishing

    Just the facts. Whom in vain did he praise, in vain did he scold?
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    Sorry, but you have further verbiage from scratch ... RSDLP (b) -RKP (b) -VKP (b) -KPSS is ONE party ... and your favorite ITT was all ...

    The party, in fact, is one, people are different. The fault can only be personal; the basis of the charge can only be a violation of specific articles of the law.
    It's just hard to blame the party for something. The only serious, universally recognized precedent, is the international tribunal in Nuremberg ... although this was also the court of the winners, but alright, there were good reasons for the decisions made.
    Nothing else! So all the attacks on the party of the Bolsheviks, the Communists is p-fe, revenge and fear of opponents. Not acceptable.
    Here are the specific cases / misconduct of specific figures to consider in the courts of states, where they have something to present, THIS IS SERIOUS! whatever they were talking about, about the Land of Soviets, many were condemned for serious misconduct. Sometimes they condemned to extreme measures, which was done.
    In my opinion, not everyone who deserved it was condemned ... but such a situation can be traced everywhere and always
    Then, now, very then .... in any country.
    It remains, as it were, the court of history ... and here, just, there is a stumbling block for our country, for our society ... it is high time to bury everything, because it prevents us from moving forward.
    By the way, the IVS, the figure is complex ... on my scales neither - nor +, this is OUR HISTORY, such as it was / is.
    BTW
    Quote: ser56
    and here, even 100 years after the Great Patriotic War, many consider us white enemies and red angels ... But white officers in the army were commanded by patriotic officers, and red ones were bandits like Yaponchik (regiment), Kotovsky (brigade), Makhno (division )

    Well there was a topic and grabbed the minuses there from both those and others! because I believe that in a civil confrontation of right / wrong, it can’t be. This is simply OUR story and must be taken as is.
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    I lived in the USSR for 31 years, as you didn’t notice what you indicated ...

    He lived no less, traveled the country along and across, a foreign country also had to ... everything was, it is a matter of perception, it means subjective ... as an argument is not accepted.
  • Reptiloid 22 February 2020 11: 05 New
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    Now, like never before, they talk a lot about Stalin. And this is significant.
    It seemed, why scold and remember? Khrushchev "" exposed "", tagged "" glasnost "" implemented. But no! The enemies of the USSR and Russia see in Stalin the only leader whose principles are needed now. Therefore, they are fighting the dead.
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    Whom in vain did he praise, in vain did he scold?

    should I quote the whole branch?
    Quote: rocket757
    Party, essentially one, people are different

    1) I already wrote to you earlier - the IVS consisted of all three, like Khrushchev, Molotov, Voroshilov, etc.
    2) the old Bolsheviks brought up new ones! If you do not know, then in the CPSU they accepted on the recommendations of members, and with experience ...
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    It's just hard to blame the party for something.

    Seriously? I note that in the last constitution there was Article 6 on the leading role of the CPSU, and not individual members ... hi
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    although it was also the court of the winners,

    that is why it does not make sense - the Anglo-Saxon hypocrisy! Opponents can be hung, but not judged (K.Marx) ... request
    Quote: rocket757
    So all the attacks on the party of the Bolsheviks, the Communists is p-fe, revenge and fear of opponents. Not acceptable.

    1) This is a statement of facts! It was the Bolsheviks who staged a coup in the country and unleashed Guards! Then 70 years oppressed and robbed the Russian people!
    2) The CPSU and the USSR in the dustbin of history - your opinion is curious to you ... repeat
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    many were convicted of serious misconduct

    even the IVS was convicted of his crimes? He recognized them in a toast about the Russian people - a soft at a banquet ...
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    By the way, the IVS, the figure is complex ... on my scales neither - nor +, uh

    who argues - a unique person, but villainous ... started as a terrorist ...
    Quote: rocket757
    then the question of perception, means subjectively ... as an argument is not accepted.

    if not a secret - you say that your opinion is important to me? bully
  • Reptiloid 22 February 2020 05: 17 New
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    Victor, remember, there were topics that with repressions, not everything is presented as it was in reality?
    Speaking of repressions, the NKVD and the OGPU somehow rarely recall that many of the archives we have not yet opened. At the same time open in the USA, Czech Republic, Great Britain, SBU Archive, .....
    It turns out that since the 20s, the leaders of Russian republican democratic organizations, such as Maslov, Milyukov, Milgunov, being in exile, tried to establish contacts with the remaining like-minded people in the USSR, sent anti-Soviet literature, money for subversive activities
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    the level of repression has decreased ...

    The issue is controversial, even if we consider the different periods of the existence of the Country of Soviets.
    Quote: ser56
    Wednesday has always been

    again, at different times for different reasons, for different reasons and at different levels of discontent.
    And all the same, nothing could collide this mountain, the traitors had to act directly from the very top.
    What citizens are not.
  • rocket757 22 February 2020 10: 15 New
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    The main goal of picking in our history is an attempt to prove that the state existing on other principles, not the power of the rich, is bad. That's all.
    The usual struggle for power, which makes it possible to appropriate the results of the labor of other people!
    Hit a party of the Bolsheviks, the leaders of that time, the events that happened then, these are just tools, methods of this struggle.
    As long as there are people who believe that the USSR, the socialist system, is better and want to return to the previous path of development, fuss, controversy will continue.
  • Reptiloid 22 February 2020 10: 54 New
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    I agree with you, Victor! After all, the USSR is the only state in the world where the principle of social equality and social justice was proclaimed. Now you can hear that this was not entirely true. But they aspired to this and did not refuse in words, which is very important good . There were no more countries in the world with such an installation. That's what!!
    It was this social equality that interfered with that part of the elite that was seeking personal enrichment and cooperation with capitalist countries!
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    Equality, social justice are just signs, a description that, with the right skill, can be hung a lot on anything!
    But the FUNDAMENTAL, the inability to appropriate the results of a person’s labor by another person, the public ownership of the most important thing, these are simple but understandable facts! That was what Soviet power stood for .... until the enemies began to distort and break everything.
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    Quote: rocket757
    ....... But the FUNDAMENTAL, the inability to appropriate the results of a person’s labor by another person, the public property of the most important thing, these are simple but understandable facts! On that, Soviet power stood ...
    This is social justice, social equality!
    For example, now, no state can be blamed for violating this principle! Since modern states do not declare this, but quite the contrary, reinforce inequality.
    And in the USSR it was social justice that was declared and nowhere else has this ever been and never has been.
  • rocket757 22 February 2020 11: 33 New
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    Less words, more work ...
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    Less words, more work ...

    Words are also needed. Right words and knowledge. With false words, the enemies of the USSR still harm, influence, and frankly lie without thinking about credibility.
    Until the evening! I'm leaving.
  • Svarog 19 February 2020 08: 19 New
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    President of the Soviet Union - Mikhail Gorbachev, thoughts arise about the real phenomenon of this extremely controversial historical figures.

    Just a unique figure-a traitor! The people wanted other changes from him, but under the sauce of renewal, he broke the system completely and betrayed everyone ...
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      he broke the system completely and betrayed everyone ...

      He fulfilled the order, and not one he broke. So far, little has been said and written about this.
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    There were quite a few people who did not believe him, they were gagged by bureaucrats from the CPSU, and it was not for nothing that the traitor Yakovlev was sitting on propaganda. A boisterous herd was perfectly managed
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      Yakovlev closed his mouth to many. One can recall Nina Alexandrovna Andreev with her article “I Can't Give Up Principles” from 1988. After the publication of the article, persecution began. Due to the persecution against her, Andreeva was forced to give up work at the institute, and her husband survived two heart attacks. To all of them, Gorbachev-Yakovlevsky were not good people, then they shut their mouths.
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    Sho say, sho say ... nothing to say, pee pee ...
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      nothing to say, pee pee ...

      On him...
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        THIS is simply on top, in plain sight, by ear ... there are still many of the same ones there.
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    Publicity!
    Restructuring!
    Acceleration!
    They drank all over the nostrils!
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      They drank all over the nostrils!

      Choked to the very throat, perestroika, harmonica cheers!
  • depressant 19 February 2020 08: 25 New
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    It was a product of a system of state betrayal, which had been formed earlier and had taken its final form when he came to the top post — it brought him to life, he was suitable for the fulfillment of her task, like no other. He was never naive, he was originally a willing villain, still skillfully playing a misunderstanding of his true nature. An actor of one political role, the worst in the history of mankind.
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      It was a product of a system of state treason that had been formed earlier and had taken its final form by his coming to the top post

      Gorbachev’s rise to power is very doubtful. He alone could not break through to the top, someone needed to push him to the top of the government, create a team of the same traitors. Many people know how this happened. At least for example, a team sent to Columbia University under the leadership of Sobchak and the patronage of Colonel Kalugin. All these Chubais Gaidars were from that team. Out of the blue, a pimple just doesn’t jump up.
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    There can be only one attitude to Gorbachev in the homeland: God marks the huck! What we have as a result of his reign: betrayed everything that is possible, except for his wife, but there is still a need to look ... It is not surprising that in the West they are considered a hero and a great figure of all times and people: so much shit, so much meanness and Gorbachev didn’t find sales in his Russian history to his homeland, his people, there is no equal to him. Even the actions of such traitors of the Motherland as Vlasov, Krasnov, etc., fade before the betrayal of Gorbachev.
    Gorbachev is an indication to our people that we should not allow freaks, fools, traitors, selling under the guise of beautiful phrases of slogans Russia, the Fatherland, the people of Russia.
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    In the West, it is customary to honor the traitors.
  • Krasnoyarsk 19 February 2020 10: 49 New
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    The attitude is simple: he is a bastard, a traitor, a rag, a loser and an outright turak!

    I did not even read the article. And without that I know that this ...... (untranslatable set of words) count, aspen, during life. All. Nothing more to say.
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    he is a bastard, a traitor,

    one word - Gorby ... request
  • SOVIET UNION 2 19 February 2020 08: 02 New
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    Why would Gorbachev be a hero in Russia? He surpassed Judas and Mazepa!
    In 1708, Mazepa went over to the side of the Swedish king Charles XII. After the defeat of Charles XII near Poltava (1709), he fled to the Ottoman Empire and died in the city of Bender.
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      This tagged woman has surpassed in her betrayal of all! There was no one before him, because of which the Greatest Country in the history of mankind was destroyed.
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    Oh, you labeled ... Alive still ... Destroyed everything that is possible and impossible. He left with ebn millions of people destitute. Because of this shifter in the territory of the former USSR, blood flows do not stop pouring. The blood of once fraternal peoples is pouring. And all this for the sake of recognizing the tagged in the West and his personal hatred of the Soviet regime. Jackal, burn you in hell.
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      He is a recruited agent of the West, successfully at one time embedded with other agents in the leadership of the country, brilliantly proved himself in the operation of the destruction of the USSR
  • Amateur 19 February 2020 08: 03 New
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    That is why the attitude towards Mikhail Gorbachev will remain polar

    This spotted TV can only cause contempt. Traitor and a fool!
  • Sergey Averchenkov 19 February 2020 08: 09 New
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    To kill him ... Honestly ... The hand would not flinch.
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      You are not alone in your desire hi
  • mat-vey 19 February 2020 08: 11 New
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    “All this is already a story that cannot be rewritten, neither justified nor refuted. That is why the attitude towards Mikhail Gorbachev will remain polar: one for those to whom he gave power over the world, and completely different for those whose home he destroyed. "
    And what's so surprising? With traitors it’s always like that ... whom they betrayed - they hate, whom they betrayed - they are satisfied.
  • Olegater 19 February 2020 08: 12 New
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    Good morning, dear forum users !!!!
    As I saw this labeled mug, so I have a desire to bring the IMF to execution. This tv.a.r.b killed and destroyed the country, and the second kasarukaya drunk finished off - think forum users - the country !!!! Which was the first and developed. People lived and rejoiced.
    Dear moderators, I ask you to no longer show photos and articles about these ..... c. And the author of the article, request or wishes, write about something more interesting. I really hope that the comment remains. Do not make people angry. Thank you for understanding.
    With respect to all !!!
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      Did you also have to wash the monitor?
  • Cottodraton 19 February 2020 08: 12 New
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    Just the case when "God marks the huck"
    1. Gardamir 19 February 2020 08: 45 New
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      Alas! Mom when he came to power, said, "he has a stain, like a map of the country, he will destroy the country." Of course, I did not believe then. Now when I show on modern Gorbachev and Yeltsin people do not believe me.
      1. tihonmarine 19 February 2020 10: 54 New
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        Quote: Gardamir
        Now when I show on modern Gorbachev and Yeltsin people do not believe me.

        And it’s time to believe it already.
        1. depressant 19 February 2020 12: 33 New
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          I believe, colleague Gardamir, I believe.
          When Gorbachev appeared on the screen in the autumn of the 84th in a story about visiting a supposedly bookstore in London (actually a clothes shop), I told my parents that this western-looking gentleman was the future secretary general.
          When he appeared on the screen as general secretary, after his first phrases I had to say with concern: "Guys, the Soviet Union is no more, we are heading off to Russia." Did not listen ...
          And there were many forerunners of the Apocalypse, it was easy to add two and two. Local national fascism went off scale, starting from the 83rd. They cut out the Russians, the KGB did not respond, the mail was opened and checked. People from Central Russia had no idea what was happening on the outskirts of the Union, and had some hopes for Gorbachev. We did not assign. Who he is, where he leads, it was clear immediately. Could not do anything! Gangster dagger to the throat under the approving glance of the special services. So as not to interfere with the boat to sink.
          1. tihonmarine 19 February 2020 12: 37 New
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            Local national fascism went off scale, starting from the 83rd. They cut out the Russians, the KGB did not respond, the mail was opened and checked.

            I experienced all this in my own skin. Thank God we did without massacre.
  • Vladimir_2U 19 February 2020 08: 18 New
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    Could a person who surrendered the USSR be a communist? Could a man who surrendered the conquests and allies of the USSR, and therefore Russia, be just a patriot, and even a monarchist? No and no!
    1. tihonmarine 19 February 2020 10: 55 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Could a man who surrendered the conquests and allies of the USSR, and therefore Russia, be just a patriot, and even a monarchist?

      Just say it. Could such a ghoul be a man.
  • Nyrobsky 19 February 2020 08: 22 New
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    When is he choking on pizza?
    1. Arlen 19 February 2020 08: 48 New
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      Quote: Nyrobsky
      When is he choking on pizza?

      This snake is a viper ... It seems that the devils do not want to take it to hell ... I hope it will soon choke on pizza ...
  • Ros 56 19 February 2020 08: 25 New
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    This is a complete scum and a traitor, he must be damned for centuries. Bastard Stavropol.
  • nov_tech.vrn 19 February 2020 08: 25 New
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    not ambiguous, but odious. That in it ambiguous chatted one thing, but did something completely different.
    1. Gardamir 19 February 2020 08: 40 New
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      So what, it's just that his time is gone. The current ones are no different.
  • Rust 19 February 2020 08: 26 New
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    I find it difficult even to whom the attitude is worse. To tagged or red. But a very strong hostility.
    1. Gardamir 19 February 2020 08: 38 New
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      I give a hint, without the tagged there would not be red.
      1. Cottodraton 19 February 2020 08: 59 New
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        Without tagging, the redhead would continue to pretend to be a fiery Komsomol and, you see, by this time he would have settled on the position of head of the grocery base. Also, of course, he would steal, but on a smaller scale by orders of magnitude)
      2. tihonmarine 19 February 2020 11: 00 New
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        Quote: Gardamir
        I give a hint, without the tagged there would not be red.

        But one man put forward both of them.
  • Naz
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    No comment.
  • DEDPIHTO 19 February 2020 08: 27 New
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    In connection with the approaching birthday anniversary of the last Secretary General and the first (and also the last) President of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, thoughts arise about the real phenomenon of this extremely controversial historical figure
    Well, in the Kremlin there will again be a holiday, because the thoughts regarding the labeled ones are always unambiguous ... After all, together they shook the Soviet country with their pro-Western, new thinking ....
  • bober1982 19 February 2020 08: 27 New
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    Gorbachev acted in conjunction with Andropov, who back in 1983, on the pages of the magazine Communist, announced the need for accelerated progress of productive forces. So the term itself - acceleration. The collapse of the country has been programmed.
    1. 2 Level Advisor 19 February 2020 08: 49 New
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      In principle, I agree, Andropov himself was still that “communist”, and Gorbachev pulled the same “communist” from the deck ... The collapse began after Brezhnev, when the leaders went, one worse than the other .. However, it was Gorbachev who destroyed everything, even if only hesitate to reward ..
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        However, it was Gorbachev who destroyed everything

        With his hands.
      2. nov_tech.vrn 19 February 2020 09: 50 New
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        Rumors of Andropov's special goodwill were generated by the environment of the labeled, and this is the same lie as that he was appointed the receiver. And you, by the way, read Andropov himself, and not what is attributed to him, for example, he had an interesting article on the national question for me.
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          I was reading, not in one source, about Andropov and Gorbachev, whom Andropov had pulled out of the Stavropol Territory into his “team”, he hadn’t planned to go to him in Moscow. I’ve read how many sources, I’ve never come across that Andropov I really didn’t like Gorbachev .. But still, memoirs must be read through the prism of the fact that everyone is trying to present himself in a good light ...
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            Pulling out the promising young first secretary of the CPSU regional committee to Moscow is one thing, appointing the receiver as another is another level of responsibility.
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              About what he appointed the successor, I agree, there is no evidence ... hi
  • Oleg Bagaev 19 February 2020 08: 36 New
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    Why do you call him ... an extremely controversial historical figure? "In Russia, he has a very clear reputation, insignificance, balabol and Judah!
  • Gardamir 19 February 2020 08: 36 New
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    In our country, the concepts of Homeland and Government are mixed up all the time.
    Gorbachev from the current government for the collapse of the country was awarded the Order of St. Andrew, he is paid a pension.
    With all this, those who awarded Gorbachev are considered patriots ...
    1. Lexus 20 February 2020 05: 30 New
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      With all this, those who awarded Gorbachev are considered patriots ...

      "Urya-horses" for their "charioteer" will tear their own throats. It’s not enough that he is dropping someone from the “cart” there. It’s even easier for them. Previously, the "wagon" was unlike the heavier.
  • Lamata 19 February 2020 08: 37 New
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    He was awarded the Order of the Yandrei the First-Called, including for advertising pizza.
  • Jarserge 19 February 2020 08: 38 New
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    The best German is there. Idol of peasants in raspberry-colored jackets and with a chain around his neck
  • Oleg Skvortsov 19 February 2020 08: 42 New
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    I think there is blood pressure and this body will join Yeltsin in a hot pan. Curses of tens of millions of people no funeral services in the church will not help. This political regime will never condemn him as a state criminal - they are the beneficiaries of his betrayal and crime.
    1. Lamata 19 February 2020 10: 24 New
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      Who is so minus the comments against MSH, here is his supporter or did he hire troll slaves. MSH, in relation to the Russian Federation, is the least that can do, shut up, return awards and refuse pension
  • rudolff 19 February 2020 08: 45 New
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    History repeated itself twice during the last century. At first, a weak and near-minded person comes to power, which creates the preconditions for the collapse of the country, and then jackals appear and take power to themselves. I have a complete analogy between Nikolai and Gorbachev. Kerensky does not pull on Yeltsin, but the essence is about the same.
    I do not think that Gorbachev wanted the collapse of the Union. He is just a guy and a guy in his worst form: a guy with initiative.
    1. mat-vey 19 February 2020 09: 56 New
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      Also classic heel.
  • edeligor 19 February 2020 08: 46 New
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    I predict - the Gorbachev project is the most successful special operation. services in the history of the planet. I do not want to give a name to the betrayal that this individual did. He must be judged while alive. The fact that he is now in the west is a drawback of our specials. services.
    1. depressant 19 February 2020 12: 55 New
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      Not a puncture. They took it out so that the people would not inadvertently kill. And then the Western curators of the special project would be dissatisfied. Judas still gives the interviews they need, the same as a looped roller. Sweet material reminder of success on the resource "Glance" now and then flickers.
      Do you know what they are all afraid of? But this one. Remember, one of the main characters of the “Game of Thrones” nude is among the people?
      Repent! .. Shame! ..
      And the poop flying in it.
      I am not a beast. There is no cruelty in me. I am ready to accept repentance in the form of a worthy domestic policy. But aggregate internal betrayal is not ready to repent of anything.
  • Rusfaner 19 February 2020 08: 57 New
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    With traitors it is always like that ... whom they betrayed - they hate, whom they betrayed - they are satisfied.

    Those who use the services of traitors, in the vast majority, despise them. But of course, we are satisfied with the results.
  • Van 16 19 February 2020 09: 02 New
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    Such a "hero" would be in court, but he lives for himself, receives awards ..
  • ZaharoFF 19 February 2020 09: 03 New
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    Judah is he. Limp and lying carnivore.
  • potap6509 19 February 2020 09: 32 New
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    Another year closer to the grave, this labeled, bald (admin does not allow to write who it is) .....
  • Dizel200 19 February 2020 09: 55 New
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    And now they will write in the Constitution that ex-presidents should not be touched, this type of people will have unlimited opportunities in general))
  • Million 19 February 2020 09: 55 New
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    Probably it’s not worth blaming everything only on Gorbachev. Although he is a rare bastard. Where was the Politburo, the KGB, the Foreign Intelligence Service, etc. Did they not see what was happening?
    1. mat-vey 19 February 2020 12: 24 New
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      How many generals and okhvitserov have we got?
  • Maks1995 19 February 2020 10: 05 New
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    "Mikhail Gorbachev will remain polar: one for those to whom he gave power over the world"
    Therefore, now only the official pension from the Kremlin is half a lama. Regular greetings and mentions.

    This is how many “those whose house he destroyed.” Must be put together in order to compare with this?
  • Andrey the Magnificent 19 February 2020 10: 32 New
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    Why the deprivation of the word when he himself speaks !!! am
    1. depressant 19 February 2020 13: 05 New
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      Imagine I dug up an article on Zen the other day. What Raisa Gorbacheva was a fashionista and a beauty, and how all the women of the USSR admired her. I testify: all the women of the USSR hated Raisa fiercely. Men too. The population did not call her otherwise than Raika. Everyone knew that she was directing Gorbachev.
  • Sapsan136 19 February 2020 10: 36 New
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    Everything is clear here. Malchish-Plohish sold the country for the Nobel Prize and received with it the curse of most of the population, at least Russia!
  • Igor Polovodov 19 February 2020 11: 03 New
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    The annual thoughts of the tagged one overwhelmed by him in his own birth:
    Yes, I saved the planet from nature in nuclear frenzy, so what that remained incomprehensible in my homeland.
    I carry the cross of the martyr ...

    I wish such a hero to America! Not only Russia will honor it, but the whole world will applaud!
  • vanavatny 19 February 2020 11: 27 New
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    purulent abomination, when it dies, do not try to bury in our land
    1. depressant 19 February 2020 13: 10 New
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      And here you are in vain, colleague!
      At the entrance to the cemetery, organize the sale of aspen stakes and hang the signs "Call a drive there."
  • Million 19 February 2020 11: 43 New
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    Putin respects Gorbachev
  • BMP-2 19 February 2020 11: 45 New
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    And what is ambiguous in this “figure”?
  • Russian Bear_2 19 February 2020 12: 19 New
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    The devils were waiting for him in hell already.
  • Alexander X 19 February 2020 12: 29 New
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    What needs to be done to jinx this type?
  • iouris 19 February 2020 12: 38 New
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    I propose to introduce a clause in the main law of the Russian Federation on the investigation of the president’s activities following the presidency (just in case): “the process has begun”, and the process has been stopped, it is not clear yet. Guarantees of immunity only after the 5 year warranty period.
  • Lamata 19 February 2020 12: 50 New
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    Well, how could you put the general secretary of a person marked with such a stain !!!! Yes, purely visual !!! Peter 1, as I read, published, do not take service for the darned and red-haired women, for they are marked by the devil (I cannot vouch for accuracy)
    1. iouris 19 February 2020 17: 50 New
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      Thanks to this mark, he became the Secretary General, the first and last president of the USSR.
  • Dmitry Potapov 19 February 2020 13: 32 New
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    State criminal and enemy of the people number 1 !!!!!!!
  • bandabas 19 February 2020 13: 55 New
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    Judas. Or simply- TRAITOR.
  • Vladimir Mashkov 19 February 2020 14: 10 New
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    Gorbachev is a traitor and a murderer. USSR, allies, hundreds of millions of human destinies and lives. Deserves the death penalty. If they offered to execute him, the hand would not flinch.
  • NF68 19 February 2020 15: 24 New
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    What kind of hero is he? He is a traitor to the West. Let the most high ranking. They don’t talk about it in his eyes so as not to scare away other such figures, but the sediment remained.
  • Tektor 19 February 2020 15: 34 New
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    Gorbachev was a victim of circumstances.
    And he managed to get out of a stalemate decently. We dumped what drew us to the bottom. And they were able to swim, but not without losses (and critics cling to it - everyone is strong with their back minds). And there were options for total defeat, and departure into oblivion. But since the nuclear suitcase was saved, and even once it was put into readiness for a strike, sovereignty was not surrendered. We passed the test, for the umpteenth time. And you just need to build a new Russia, on new principles.
    And now about the main thing. The states decided to finish us off in 1994, i.e. completely abandon his promises to Gorbachev. This is the turning point of the story! We had no choice but to crawl out on our own. But the states managed to convince themselves that they would be left on top of the mountain. And miscalculated, celebrating. Those. they were overly arrogant. And as a result, they lost the ability of military dominance ... And for this, Gorbachev deserves a reward, as he managed to strike the enemy, bringing him to a state close to defeat in a geopolitical confrontation.
    1. iouris 19 February 2020 17: 54 New
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      And he managed to get out of a stalemate decently. We dumped what drew us to the bottom.

      We have already heard this mantra. Bullshit (don't be offended, please). Gorby betrayed everything and everyone, including the allies and customers of the USSR. But oath crime in Russia has always been considered as the most serious sin. And you think he did not betray, but "foresaw". If you are right, then there will be a repeat.
      1. Tektor 20 February 2020 10: 48 New
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        Not this way. I do not claim that “Gorbachev foresaw”: he was predictable at his post. Especially surrounded by Shevardnadze and other similar clowns. They solved the problem, how to make sure that they had everything, and for that they had nothing? Those. they wanted to inherit their privileges and position. And this could be done only by agreeing with the west and transferring their capital to the west. Simple human weakness - I want to live long distances.
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      Quote: Tektor
      Gorbachev was a victim of circumstances.


      He is not a victim of circumstances - he is a rare boob.

      And he managed to get out of a stalemate decently.


      Decent simply does not happen. I sold everything in Europe for beautiful words and stormy applause that could be sold. The same goes for allies, real and potential, around the world.
  • Sether 19 February 2020 15: 51 New
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    What do you all remember Gorbachev? He hasn’t been in power for 27 years and he’ll have enough to wash his bones and hang everything on him. Pay attention to the current regime and tell me who do you like more: Gorbachev or Putin? And with whom did you live better and where was more justice and democracy? And the people themselves did not want to live under Gorbachev and chose Yeltsin and then Putin. For 27 years, the last two chosen ones have not justified your hopes, but Gorbachev is to blame and Putin and war and revolution are to blame. Yes, Gorbachev, at least for power, was not clinging to his last strength as some. You just look for the enemy in the image of Gorbachev but the enemy is not there
    1. iouris 19 February 2020 17: 57 New
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      Its already 27 years old

      Evaluation of him as a statesman, to put it mildly, is ambiguous. Since he did not shoot himself, only a political court can justify him.
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      Quote: Sether
      What do you all remember Gorbachev? He hasn’t been in power for 27 years and he’ll have enough to wash his bones and hang everything on him


      What he did in his time still makes itself felt.
  • 16112014nk 19 February 2020 16: 40 New
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    Gorbachev is an ordinary henpecked, and Raisa Maksimovna taxied them. That is the root of all misfortunes. But he himself could only steer a combine harvester, but not a country.
    1. iouris 19 February 2020 17: 57 New
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      and Raisa Maximovna taxied them

      And who taxied Raisa Maximovna?
  • eklmn 20 February 2020 04: 30 New
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    “... but under the update sauce, he broke the system completely and betrayed everyone ...”
    He did not break the system, he broke the state communist boobs, which “fed” 240 million Soviet people, turning them into slaves!
    A small salary (many thanks to the party for caring!), Of which 70% went to food only, a tiny pension (you can see it under a microscope!), An apartment (many thanks to the party for caring!) In line 12-15 years later, then another 10-15 expectations of “improvement”, a shortage of varied shoes / clothes (everyone went in the same orphanage), distribution of trips (just mockery - setting some against others!) And everything served by the state was presented as alms, and not a long and deserved man hard work.
    And this alms from his state was presented as “caring for a man”. And Gorbachev destroyed this nightmare. Yes, he is a destroyer, but not a creator! And where in the country to find the builders of the free market, if such has never existed! By the way - everything was quickly decided in the Baltic states - there was experience and there were people with experience.
    And even now, Russians cannot live without state boobs, remaining slaves dependent on the state-va! Therefore, 140 million Gapon dependents breaks into the Open Line to “sting” Himself on the roof / hospital / pension - for you, nothing has changed! What about Gorbachev, that 30 years later - all go to the state and wait / ask! So why didn’t Gorbachev please you if everything remained so?
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      he broke the state communist boobs

      Kaneshna! Communism has already come (but not for everyone).
      Grandfather, will there be money under communism?
      Will be. However, not all.
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      Quote: eklmn
      And Gorbachev destroyed this nightmare

      I absolutely agree, but why break the country? lose ground in the international arena? results of the Second World War?
      Quote: eklmn
      And where in the country to find builders of the free market, if such has never existed

      but it wasn’t just necessary to interfere and plunder everything ... see Czech example ...
      Quote: eklmn
      And even now, Russians cannot live without state boobs, remaining slaves,

      are you about yourself? bully
      Quote: eklmn
      all go to the state and wait / ask!

      Have you heard such a word - propaganda? bully
      1. eklmn 22 February 2020 03: 43 New
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        “... are you talking about yourself? ”
        Would remain in the Union - then, about “myself”. And since I left, I had only to ourselves. And oddly enough - succeeded! I use the word “strange” because left mama’s son at the age of 45 and was able to achieve a lot here!
        “... did you hear that word - propaganda? ”
        Of course! Every year, He himself enters the people along the Straight Line and communicates with the “servants”, promising to sort it out / build / fix / punish with a sympathetic or indignant person, etc. The faces of those whom He himself listened to become so reverent that even write an icon ...!
        I want to say that over 115 years, instead of one gapon, it has become 140 million - also progress ....!
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          Quote: eklmn
          And since I left, I had only to ourselves.

          well left and live there - why are you trying to teach us .. request
          leaving go...
          Quote: eklmn
          Of course

          then the continuation of your phrase look even dumber ... request
          Quote: eklmn
          I want to say that over 115 years, instead of one gapon, it has become 140 million - also progress ....!

          the opinion of emigrants is not interesting to us! Traitors are always looking for an excuse ... request
    3. Lexeus 24 February 2020 14: 45 New
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      Paranoia? wink How long have you lived in the Union and did you live in common? Or are you another "couch expert" who draws far-reaching conclusions based on what they read on the Internet ?? wassat
  • Adults should know that not all homo sapiens are PEOPLE. They are very similar in appearance to people, ordinary nonhumans ,, (in abbreviation, convenient and true, since we are with - ufo ,,). It seems that they are moving, saying, gesturing ... But - not people! People love people, they let people use soap, fertilizers, spare parts ... ... ,, Use, human women, molest children, encourage, bad people, carefully raise criminals. They cannot even agree with н They organized TWO world wars in the XNUMXth century. They ruined the Union from within ... They need to be built up.
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    scum