In India, they wanted to localize the production of Rafale fighters in their territory


India, having made the purchase of more than three dozen Rafale fighters from France (until the party has been delivered to the customer), made it clear that if it buys a new large batch of these aircraft, then the French must make certain concessions. What specific concessions are we talking about?


Thus, the Indian press reports that the Indian state-owned company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has entered into negotiations with the French company Dassault. The goal for HAL is to be able to launch the production of Rafale in India. The company explains this with the Make in India program in force in the country.

It should be noted that the issue of localizing the production of French fighters in India has been raised since 2012, but then the French side rejected the proposal of India.

According to the Indian general Bipin Ravat, within 4 years, India could order another 36 Rafal fighters if the French go to establish the Indian branch of the enterprise.

Bipin Ravat makes it clear that the Indian authorities want to get the Rafal production line on its territory:

It would be possible to localize the production of fighters or some important components for them in our territory.

Along with this, Indian journalists managed to find out some features of the already concluded contract. It turned out that the contract for the purchase of 36 Rafales cost the Indian treasury as much as 7,8 billion euros.

It turns out that the cost of one “Raphael” under this contract is astronomical: almost 217 million euros. But New Delhi said that 50 percent of the contract value, the French "will send to the defense industry in India with a partial transfer of technology." In other words, the price of one “Raphael” (at a rough estimate) for India is about 108-109 million dollars. However, this price looks very high for 4th generation fighters.

Opposition forces in India, guided by this information, accuse the authorities of implementing corruption schemes.
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  1. Victor_B 18 February 2020 16: 12 New
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    In India, they wanted to localize the production of Rafale fighters in their territory
    Well, let them want.
    It is not harmful.
    1. maxim947 18 February 2020 16: 16 New
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      This is the beginning of the end of friendship between them. Some with slanting hands will constantly whine and increase requests, the second for the time being will endure, and then they will send ...
      And in terms of price per unit. , then the mattresses with their penguins smoke on the sidelines. Theft level is a relative thing)))
      1. Russian_man 18 February 2020 16: 35 New
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        and you were very wrong. they do not sell cars and liners there, the principles have always been and will be different.
    2. Starover_Z 18 February 2020 16: 53 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      In India, they wanted to localize the production of Rafale fighters in their territory
      Well, let them want.
      It is not harmful.

      But what a colorful armed forces come out! A kind of quilt. And you also have to conclude service contracts, at least for a warranty ...
    3. Fat
      Fat 18 February 2020 16: 54 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      In India, they wanted to localize the production of Rafale fighters in their territory
      Well, let them want.
      It is not harmful.

      The desire is absolutely reasonable, but it seems to me to the Hindus that if they can, then obviously can not afford it.
      They will wait 5 years ...
      1. Aerodrome 18 February 2020 17: 52 New
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        In India, they wanted to localize the production of Rafale fighters in their territory
        that’s the whole background of Indian “selectivity” ...
    4. TermNachTer 18 February 2020 20: 12 New
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      The French even then expressed doubts about the quality of the Indian assembly. Well, of course, the price is fabulous. For this, you can already buy F - 35.
      1. SAG
        SAG 19 February 2020 00: 48 New
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        the cost of one “Raphael” under this contract is astronomical: almost 217 million euros. But in New Delhi, they said that 50 percent of the cost of the contract, the French "will send to the defense industry in India with a partial transfer of technology." In other words, the price of one Rafal (roughly estimated) for India is about $ 108-109 million

        What a clever word - SEND! .¿ # ™ ... what's the point of taking money and immediately giving back!?! Complete nonsense ... This is not just a money transfer, it is an investment with the possibility of withdrawing profits, and the whole amount over time! So the halving of the price for rafal is a complete lie !!!
  2. voyaka uh 18 February 2020 16: 13 New
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    Indians want to learn how to make engines from the French. Therefore, they paid so much.
    1. Russian_man 18 February 2020 16: 43 New
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      if they wanted to, they would have learned. They saw money, and then they dance and sing. This is exactly what we see, isn't it?
      1. voyaka uh 18 February 2020 16: 52 New
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        Not true. India has developed an engineering school. There are also strong scientists. They produce electronics and software themselves.
        If you pay attention, they make good ballistic missiles, space rockets, nuclear weapons. Their probe flies around the moon. In some places they have knowledge gaps.
        They are less organized and disciplined than the Chinese, which hinders the Indians.
        1. Russian_man 18 February 2020 17: 21 New
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          Yes, it is, I already wrote about it. ... and they are also sawing money. It is their culture, so ancient, and not science (so young) that does not allow them to fly normally, so that others would be jealous.
        2. Proton 18 February 2020 17: 50 New
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          Is that where they fly in space? 9 old satellites? According to Hinduism, it’s just awful for a normal person. Where is it when it was tested? Pakistan waits and what. Where do they have schools when they get a bunch of all kinds of weapons from around the world, to produce under license, yes, like the Chinese.
          1. Russian_man 18 February 2020 20: 46 New
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            Do not worry so, in due time they will tell you everything)
    2. Butchcassidy 18 February 2020 16: 43 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Indians want to learn how to make engines from the French. Therefore, they paid so much.

      Let them want. Who will give them?))
    3. Lamata 18 February 2020 16: 48 New
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      They will bring arjun to mind.
    4. Fat
      Fat 18 February 2020 17: 01 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Indians want to learn how to make engines from the French. Therefore, they paid so much.

      To the point ... They want and if they can, they will find the means. Hindus and have a national program. Knowledge is more important to them than money.
    5. TermNachTer 18 February 2020 20: 17 New
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      They want everyone, but so far it’s not working out well.
    6. Grigory_45 18 February 2020 20: 51 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Indians want to learn how to make engines from the French.

      they want at least someone to learn how to make engines. Why are they Super Hornets? I guess, again, because of the General Electric motor
      And why localization of the production of spare parts, with further Wishlist to assemble Russian engines (AL and RD for dry and MiGs)
  3. Hog
    Hog 18 February 2020 16: 23 New
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    Su-30 dear they said, well, well)
    1. Russian_man 18 February 2020 16: 40 New
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      oh well, happiness is not in money - the main thing is to sing and dance well)) ... as it should be there a lot of people live - almost any anachronism can be repeated again and again ... without any hope of preliminary work on the mistakes ...
    2. Fat
      Fat 18 February 2020 17: 16 New
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      Dasso Rafal since 1986 in production, the minimum price of 124 million, there are cheaper versions. SU 30 80 - 83 million for 1992. Well, somehow they did not begin to localize Soviet technology in India. They climbed into Europe ... Well, they saw the dream engine on European standards.
      And Dassault Rafal is really a decent car. Well let them have music in their ears and.,. Aircraft carrier to the budget.
      1. voyaka uh 18 February 2020 17: 28 New
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        Dassault is a Jewish family business.
        Here - a clear conspiracy is visible! bully laughing
        1. Fat
          Fat 18 February 2020 18: 01 New
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          Dassault is a Jewish family business.
          Here - a clear conspiracy is visible! bully laughing

          You know, shine the facts. B. Not strong in French. Dassault Systèmes SE, 3DEXPERIENCE Company, is a subsidiary of the Dassault Group, headquartered in Velisy-Vilacouble, France, and is involved in the development of 3D software for product design, modeling, manufacturing, and much more. of another. .
          Many other things ....?
          Yes, do not care where the Jews noted .... Absolutely. WITH
          1. voyaka uh 18 February 2020 18: 12 New
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            Here it’s direct: an air company was founded in 1929 by engineer Marcel Bloch. His family still owns up to 60% of the shares.
            But I joked about the plot, of course. smile
            1. Fat
              Fat 19 February 2020 03: 52 New
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              Well then! And I was seduced))))))
  4. Russian_man 18 February 2020 16: 31 New
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    Again, dances and songs and love and tears of parting. Give them a tank strewn with roses or a submarine with rhinestones. Nothing more to take from them.
    1. voyaka uh 18 February 2020 16: 59 New
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      They themselves can do something wink
      1. Russian_man 18 February 2020 20: 44 New
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        it seems that you know far from everything about this picture) ...
    2. Fat
      Fat 18 February 2020 18: 13 New
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      Of course not to take. Nuclear Powers ... Not?
  5. Thrifty 18 February 2020 16: 46 New
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    Maybe sell them a license to issue Su17, since they are such retrograde? ??
    1. Russian_man 18 February 2020 17: 01 New
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      If in this way it will be possible to cut another loot - they will buy ...
      It’s a pity that times are changing. The first batch of T-90 was bought by completely different people - they needed tanks, and preferably the best. This, I understand, was a collaboration. And now some dances and songs ... They need to fight a little - and everything will be fine. Fewer people - more oxygen.
    2. V.I.P. 18 February 2020 17: 34 New
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      Why do they need more SU. Su-30 is enough for them ..... Do you think that they are buying retrogrades when buying Rafal. And buying a Su-30, no ???? laughing One must be objective in everything.
      1. Thrifty 18 February 2020 17: 59 New
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        VIP - you compare the characteristics of the Su30, Rafal, this is the first, second - who needs to be in order to pay such money for Rafal? You can put Western AFAR on your Su30, if you don’t like ours, you can put a lot of things into it. But, Rafal, it’s like it or not, but a light aircraft of the Grippen class, how not to stuff it, it has completely different prices, tasks and opportunities.
      2. Russian_man 18 February 2020 20: 58 New
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        You are an statistician. You have the line of excellence and the line of the lineup - this is the same thing. I advise you to develop knowledge of the differences between these two concepts.
    3. Fat
      Fat 18 February 2020 18: 21 New
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      At SS 7 be. If you want to be in the grave ... Himself. fly ..
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  6. Lamata 18 February 2020 16: 47 New
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    And the French are still traders too, let's see.
    1. Fat
      Fat 18 February 2020 19: 41 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      And the French are still traders too, let's see.

      Well, the arguments rule. Bobbsyststmin. Somewhere there, the girls themselves came 'word, said ..
  7. knn54 18 February 2020 17: 01 New
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    -Opposition forces of India, guided by this information, accuse the authorities of implementing corruption schemes.
    The opposition is also not averse to participating, but there are enough of its own.
  8. Strashila 18 February 2020 17: 12 New
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    It doesn’t work, France doesn’t have so many files so that the Indians drove the parts in place.
    1. Fat
      Fat 19 February 2020 04: 26 New
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      Quote: Strashila
      It doesn’t work, France doesn’t have so many files so that the Indians drove the parts in place.

      I remembered it. The Finns from Nokia also didn’t have enough files because the Brand disappeared ...
  9. Zaurbek 18 February 2020 17: 14 New
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    If two times refused, you need to ask for the third time?
  10. Jarserge 18 February 2020 17: 44 New
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    Saw the budget guys saw and the appetite comes with eating
    1. Lamata 18 February 2020 18: 16 New
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      Saw, Saw Bipin, it's gold (budget)
  11. Kerensky 18 February 2020 18: 35 New
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    They need a specific engine and they will receive it in the end. They absolutely correctly do not count on the return of steaming planes home.
    TVD is like that. Therefore, single-engine, ideally, are cheap. The number of trained pilots - practical raid - engine life ...
    He who does not fly does not fall.
  12. svp67 18 February 2020 18: 37 New
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    However, this price looks very high for 4th generation fighters.
    If the plane is good and surpasses its classmates, then maybe the price is not so high, for the advantage of its air force over the air force of its neighbors?
    Opposition forces in India, guided by this information, accuse the authorities of implementing corruption schemes.
    In India, this is normal practice, power with the opposition are changing places, and schemes remain and work ...
  13. 73bor 18 February 2020 19: 47 New
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    Indians, maybe not, Ah? Or maybe you’ll just buy it, because it’s not horse feed! And then steam-powered harvesters will be off the assembly line.
  14. av58 18 February 2020 20: 17 New
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    India in its repertoire. The French decided during the tender that they could break the Indians? Yes Yes laughing We’ll have to give a license and train Indian “specialists”, and take responsibility for the cars assembled by the Indians, and then explain why the Indian Rafali are falling laughing
    1. Fat
      Fat 19 February 2020 06: 42 New
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      Quote: av58
      India in its repertoire. The French decided during the tender that they could break the Indians? Yes Yes laughing We’ll have to give a license and train Indian “specialists”, and take responsibility for the cars assembled by the Indians, and then explain why the Indian Rafali are falling laughing

      Yes, I painted a minus. Well, you do not want. Think.
      When buying rafal, Indians wanted access to technology. Is it really incomprehensible?
      They kissed the door handle, and that’s all. A good engine they want, and almost for nothing. Ambition in itself, and engines in France, they say, from Flea Himself ...
  15. Russian_man 18 February 2020 21: 38 New
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    That's right, fashionable weapons were always better than effective. .. They would have warred a little, two or three years ...
  16. Hypatius 18 February 2020 21: 54 New
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    Some strange negativity, in half of the comments, on the subject of "dough pills." And no one sees the consistent implementation of the "Made in India" program. Apparently the organization of production and jobs in the country, a thing unnecessary, it is better to rub the loot on the pills. IMHO, better bad goods and salaries than none. It’s better to dance than to shake the air with a lie.