BOD-3, or Portuguese boat


The topic of the article was born by itself, without the help of muses and Pegasus, when your humble servant deigned to bask under the gentle Crimean sun on the beach of the southern coast of Russian Crimea. The causal relationship of the course of lazy thoughts led to the rosy conclusion that even the main political event of the summer (the withdrawal of the United States Administration of the Treaty on short and medium-range missiles) can in no way affect the course of the holiday season, because after two weeks about it stopped talking even in specialized media. And so, as they say, silver spoons were found, but an unpleasant impression still remained, and the desire to provide an asymmetric answer to the world hegemon remained.

The largest and most modern part of the US nuclear missile potential is deployed on Ohio nuclear submarines with Trident-2 ballistic missiles and Tomahawk cruise missiles. Plans to replace them with a new generation SSBN Columbia are also long-term and realistic. Add to them SSBN of potential "partners" - the UK and France. We must not forget about the less deadly, but more dangerous for our SSBN nuclear submarines-hunters with missile and torpedo armament of this trinity. Therefore, we must try to find resistance to this serious and long-term threat, but taking into account the difference in economic opportunities and the geographical position of our countries.

What thoughts just can not be inspired by the morning breeze for a pensioner lying on the beach! Why did the prehistoric megalodons and modern killer whales and sperm whales not gobble up such defenseless invertebrates as the Portuguese boat (physalia)? Yes, because it is toxic! So it is in our world: where aircraft carrier strike groups and nuclear submarines with ballistic and cruise missiles on board are traded on the sea, it is necessary to create many primitive and cheap, but sufficiently "toxic" ships. And what could be more primitive than a sailboat, on which a nuclear reactor and rocket are available as a toxin weapon with special charges?

The previous paragraph explained the meaning of the second half of the title of the article. In the professional environment, the abbreviation BOD cannot be interpreted otherwise than as a large anti-submarine ship. And the number 3 implies three options for using the ship: as anti-submarine, as patrol and as pirate (yes, don’t be surprised - in the sense of “noble pirate”!), All three options are written with the letter “P”, and they can be combined.

If you unwind the sea history five hundred years into the past, during the era of great geographical discoveries and recall the masterpieces of sailing shipbuilding of mankind, we can easily find examples of ship trips lasting 2-3 years, when they crossed all the oceans along and across and, of course, made round-the-world odysseys. Antarctica and all the significant islands of the archipelago of the Arctic Ocean were discovered on sailboats. And what were the famous races of “Tea Clippers” and “Continental Blockade” of Napoleonic Europe! And examples from the history of sailing fleet of our continental country: the Catherine’s squadron off the shores of the self-proclaimed United States of America and regular sailing trips from the European part of the country to the Far East and even to the western coast of the same America ... Not a single ship of the modern Russian fleet, except for owners of nuclear reactors on board, can reach coast of the USA, complete the task of combat patrol there and return to base. On the other hand, a sailing military vessel without any problems will make such a round trip and gracefully patrol the waters specified in the order and proudly display the Russian flag. The model and example for the project of the new Russian large anti-submarine ship, in my opinion, can serve as the famous sailing ship "The Maltese Falcon", the description and appearance of which will not leave indifferent any true romance of the sea. Think about it: spend the millions of dollars spent on glamorous luxury and unimaginable conveniences for an elite audience to equip a ship with the best weapons of domestic production!

Since we were puzzled by the creation of a serious universal, but still large anti-submarine ship, its architecture and armament should be based on the capabilities and requirements for the placement of the best sonar system on board today, the creation of which is only capable of the domestic defense industry. This is Amphora with the nuclear submarine of project 885 Ash. I want to believe that he is really capable of hearing how gas shrimp in the Gulf of California. Judging by the generally accessible diagrams and materials about the Ash project, the dimensions of the spherical HAK antenna fit into the front compartment of the nuclear submarine, displacing even torpedo tubes from there, which violates the prevailing maritime tradition, but provides the ship with the highest possible information content. The diameter of the front compartment of the submarine of the Ash project is 10 meters, its dimensions and strength ensure the comfortable operation of the sonar system at the maximum depth of immersion, and when performing the function of the stem when driving at full speed. A completely solvable engineering task is to place the same or similar spherical antenna in the fairing under the keel of an anti-submarine sailing boat, making it on a rigid mount, with which it would be possible to remove the entire structure into the main hull of the ship. Such an engineering solution allows you to immediately expand the sonar field of view to the entire lower (read: underwater) hemisphere of the ship. If any submarine, and even an anti-submarine ship with a pair, or even three propellers in the aft end, working internal combustion engines and gearboxes, are actually blind in the rear hemisphere, and with an increase in the stroke it is guaranteed to stall in the front hemisphere, then on the sailing anti-submarine such problems simply cannot arise. At the same time, the presence of a decent ballast in the form of a huge fairing under the keel of the ship will positively affect the stability of the vessel and its seaworthiness. Undoubtedly, the speed characteristics of the sailboat will suffer, but they can and should be sacrificed for the benefit of the effectiveness of acoustic underwater reconnaissance. But on long-distance crossings to areas of combat use with a retracted fairing and full sails, the BPK-3 will quite argue with classic warships on an economical move. In addition to the capabilities to detect submarines, provide for placement on a ship and a towed passive extended antenna. And in order to seriously force ourselves to respect all the submariners of the world, two anti-submarine helicopters with weapons and detection equipment corresponding to this class of vehicles will be placed on the ship.

The following combination can be considered as the main armament: two UKSK 3S14 vertical launch launchers, an anti-torpedo defense complex, and two anti-aircraft missile-cannon complex “Shell M”. To combat the submarine, it is enough to have in the ammunition missile and torpedo family "Caliber" 91rt2 in the amount of eight pieces and four missiles to strike at the base of submarines or other objects of military infrastructure and in the anti-ship version. The same weapons can repel both torpedo and missile attacks of the submarine itself. The appearance of such a military unit in neutral waters at the base of the likely enemy’s submarines and near the protected area of ​​the combat duty of our SSBNs cannot be ignored.

The use of wind energy for the ship’s movement makes any corner of the planet accessible to it and provides phenomenal autonomy, which, in turn, greatly depends on the crew’s habitability conditions. Unfortunately, the elements of the winds are changeable, capricious, and sometimes dangerous. Two water-jet propulsion drives driven by electric motors will help the team to avoid many problems both in full calm and in a storm with an overcast wind. The source of electricity will be the second "toxin" on the ship - a compact nuclear reactor! Its power should provide with a reserve both the movement of the ship with a low-noise stroke of 4-6 knots, and the uninterrupted reliable operation of the entire set of weapons and sail control automatics, and, of course, the entire imaginable crew life support infrastructure (water desalination plants, refrigerators, air conditioners, a galley, a sauna , laundry, etc. etc.). Even a set of battery batteries, as in diesel submarines, will not be superfluous as a backup source of energy and ballast.

Predicting skepticism about the implementation of such a power plant, I read information about the Losharik nuclear submarine. The entire energy-moving complex of the ship with 2000 tons of displacement occupies no more than half of its 70-meter length and fits into the overall width of only 7 meters. And there is enough power to develop a full stroke of 25 knots! If we hypothetically discard ballast tanks, the prohibitive thickness of the titanium hull in the form of spherical segments for deep-sea diving, and other bells and whistles for a submarine, then it’s quite realistic to fit such a nuclear propulsion system for a surface ship into the hold of a sailing ship, even such as the Malta Falcon . For reference and further reasoning: the displacement of the Falcon is 1240 tons; body length 88 m; midship width 12,6 m; draft 6 m; mast height 58 m; sail area 2400 m2; sailing speed up to 15 knots

And now we turn on the imagination and imagine our BPK-3 with a hull displacement of 5000 tons in the form of a similar sailing ship! Comparable to the domestic four-masted barque Kruzenshtern. A real ship with almost a century of history of operation. If you leave the sailing armament in the front of the ship practically unchanged as on the three-masted "Malta Falcon", and increase the hull length to 130 meters, then at the stern you can afford to place a hangar for a pair of anti-submarine helicopters with a landing site. With the indicated displacement and length, the remaining dimensions of the ship will naturally change: width at midship is 15 m; draft 7 m; mast height 60 m; sail area 2500 m2; sailing speed up to 12 knots Of course, all these numbers are sucked from the finger, but offer your own options!

The development of the project and the construction of a series of such ships in domestic shipyards and with Russian components will be no more expensive than a patrol nuclear icebreaker or frigate. The non-Ukrainian nuclear power plant, modern Russian weapons and electronics, I hope, should not have any problems with the corps. But what about the masts and sails a la "Malta Falcon", can we? We will discuss in the comments.

And something like this will begin to patrol deployment routes and submarine duty areas, first off our shores, and then appear at Guam, Pearl Harbor, Bangor and Norfolk ... What will be the reaction of the “partners”? I think we will hear and learn a lot of interesting things from the life of the submarine fleet of a potential enemy. And this is only an anti-submarine use of the ship. If you load 16 “Caliber” in long-range execution into the UKKS and go on patrol in the Mediterranean Sea or the Gulf of Mexico for a couple of months, the Air Force generals responsible for air defense of coastal countries and states will strain. Of course, the pirated use case is exotic, but such actions may well be provided for in separate orders in packages on the ship, which are opened by separate order or at a specified point in the oceans.
  • Scharnhorst
  • Rebecca Rebarich, US Navy,,
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  1. +5
    19 February 2020 15: 12
    But what about the masts and sails a la "Malta Falcon", can we?

    We can, of course. There are operating ships under a sailing propeller of a new type, in the form of a pipe, which is rotated by the wind, and it transfers efforts to the propeller. I read about such in "Technology of Youth".
    1. +1
      19 February 2020 15: 28
      Indeed, sailing equipment does not necessarily use the classic. There are different options.
    2. +2
      19 February 2020 16: 38
      Even simpler is a turbo-sail.
  2. +15
    19 February 2020 15: 13
    Sorry, I didn’t even read it.
    1. +6
      19 February 2020 15: 24
      Quote: Pecheneg
      I didn’t even finish reading.

      Archived decision, my friend!(C) laughing So, from the first paragraph everything becomes clear:
      deigned to bask under the gentle Crimean sun on the beach of the southern coast of the Russian Crimea.
      Everything is on the surface: the author had a sunstroke. Yes, the Crimean sun is insidious. wassat
      1. +3
        20 February 2020 11: 51
        Quote: Paranoid50
        Everything is on the surface: the author had a sunstroke. Yes, the Crimean sun is insidious.

        We know this Crimean sun ... in barrels and bottles. smile
        1. +2
          20 February 2020 11: 52
          Quote: Alexey RA
          in barrels and bottles.

          Duc, one variety was called "Solntsedar". fellow wassat
    2. +1
      19 February 2020 15: 40
      Chukchi is not a reader, a Chukchi writer ...
  3. +2
    19 February 2020 15: 18
    It remains to add red sails.
  4. qaz
    19 February 2020 15: 21
    So many letters and no meaning. Reading does not make sense.
  5. 0
    19 February 2020 15: 25
    I saw something like that. In the Amers movie, where the Soviet schooner abandoned an aircraft carrier during the Second World War ...
  6. 0
    19 February 2020 15: 40
    This is when the Russian fleet under Catherine 2 was off the coast of America, supporting the war for independence? Maybe confused with the 19th century 1861-63, our squadrons stood in the west and east of the United States, to support the northerners.
    1. +1
      19 February 2020 18: 22
      Well, for sure, it wasn’t like that.
      It was not the participation of the Russian fleet that contributed to the independence of the North American states.
      Well, if it can be considered territories, what looks like spots from smudges of wet beaches on the globe in the northwest Atlantic.

  7. +9
    19 February 2020 15: 50
    False start. The first of April in 1,5 months.
    1. 0
      19 February 2020 17: 44
      Nothing ce false start a century earlier, but sent unknown to where laughing !!!
  8. +2
    19 February 2020 16: 06
    The case is wooden or fiberglass? In the first case, every three years the main service; in the second - kakby from titanium did not come cheaper ...
    Also, if there is a nuclear reactor, why do we need sails? We remove and we get a place for the helicopter (s) - i.e. a normal anti-submarine ship .. And if you "hide" under water, you get a multipurpose nuclear submarine smile
    By the way, wooden ships were built in our time, but for very specific purposes.
  9. +2
    19 February 2020 16: 23
    And what could be more primitive than a sailing ship, on which a nuclear reactor and missile weapons with special charges are available as a toxin?
    Repulsors are not nada? And by all means add blackjack with women of low social responsibility.
    But if the question is about "toxicity" and not about overwhelming combat power, then let's go without nuclear reactors, please. Not a single liter of "extra" displacement. Plastic body, inflatable balloons to improve buoyancy, a simple computer and a launcher with two missiles. Disposable, with a maximum of destructible non-metallic parts. As close to the surface of the water as possible. Electric motor, battery pack, solar panels. Correct coloring ...
    This will be toxic, and at the same time cheap.
  10. 0
    19 February 2020 16: 33
    What is the relationship of food, which is enough without a sailboat, to confront the enemy’s nuclear submarines?
  11. 0
    19 February 2020 16: 42
    Why do we need such tall masts? Isn't it better to put almost compact turboparus?
  12. +1
    19 February 2020 17: 04
    Portuguese boat

    Yes Yes Yes.
    A comparison with the Portuguese ship Diasha, Cabral and Vasco de Gama is very appropriate.
    Do not follow the path of Columbus’s mistakes on a karak to India, to which no way was found and sail to America.
    And go to go on a caravel to India, finding the way there and simultaneously discover America.
    1. 0
      20 February 2020 05: 52
      Pisibot some sort.
  13. +2
    19 February 2020 17: 21
    with full sails BPK-3

    m-dya ... barely read this nonsense to the end. Indeed, the southern sun is insidious. You can get heat stroke (which, apparently, was the case with the author of this opus in this case)

    a flying submarine, and even an anti-submarine ship with a pair, or even three propellers in the aft end, working internal combustion engines and gearboxes, are actually blind in the rear hemisphere
    Does the author know anything about a HOOK with a towed antenna ???
    In addition, the advantage of a towed antenna is its high sensitivity, especially in passive mode - due to its considerable length, it is less affected by noise and vibration from the power plant of the carrier ship itself
    1. +1
      20 February 2020 20: 25
      [/ quote] Does the author know anything about a HOOK with a towed antenna ???
      In addition, the advantage of a towed antenna is its high sensitivity, especially in passive mode - due to its considerable length, it is less affected by noise and vibration from the power plant of the carrier ship itself [quote]

      GPBA (flexible extended towed antenna) has a diagram in the form of "butterfly wings" (or "toroid" for literate) and hears nothing at the stern. She cannot even determine the board of the target without maneuvering. Works exclusively in passive mode. The main purpose is to search for targets in the low-frequency range of sound. It represents (on the submarine) from itself (information is approximate, only for understanding the scale) 250 meters of "bundle of hydrophones" and 750 meters of cable-rope. At the end of the antenna there is a "terminal body" designed to stabilize this "miracle". The thickness of the antenna itself is commensurate with the thickness of a human hand. It has a decent direction finding error in comparison with the main antenna of the SAC. The use of (effective) weapons according to her data is impossible.
      Any ship (boat) has a blind spot.
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  15. +1
    19 February 2020 18: 19
    To begin with, sailboats NEVER circumnavigated without entering ports or going ashore.
    They just needed water (at least).
    The longest journey can be considered the passage of Columbus to America (more precisely, to the Caribbean Islands).
    All other trips, cruises - this is a transition from port to port (or raid on a raid), where at each point a supply of food and water was replenished ..
    Therefore, if you count, then the real autonomy of the sailboats was not so high and quite comparable with modern ships.

    Modern ships have a problem in fuel and to a lesser extent in food.

    Therefore, there is no special meaning. And then, at least in narrowness, the advantage of sailing ships is lost, because It takes a car to get through them. Plus, do not forget about the ice.

    If we talk about specifically about PURE Antisubmarine ships, then it makes sense to consider options with submarines, because The submarine is easier to observe its secrecy when hunting (the fact that the submarine hears ANY surface. The ship is several times farther than vice versa). Plus the specifics of some seas. Plus less need to think about air defense.

    You can also consider a large (relatively) surface womb-ship for various unmanned platforms: air, surface, underwater. Those. a ship that can create a network of sensors.

    By the way, the carrier of some drones (even UAVs) can be submarines.
    1. 0
      19 February 2020 18: 37
      The longest journey can be considered the passage of Columbus to America (more precisely, to the Caribbean Islands).

      Google the transitions of James Cook and Fernand Magellan.
      1. 0
        19 February 2020 23: 46
        It may be longer, but in time it was still somewhere around 1-1,5 months, they were stocking up with water. Otherwise it didn’t work.
        And as soon as the opportunity presented themselves, they went ashore.
        1. 0
          20 February 2020 05: 48
          Quote: alstr
          for about 1-1,5 months, water was stored.

          What water! What are you speaking about?
          Quote: alstr
          And as soon as the opportunity presented themselves, we went ashore

          And on the shore there is a stall. And in the stall, Kashcheyev's death is a thermonuclear strike called "Solntsedar":
  16. +1
    19 February 2020 18: 38
    You can make it even more interesting, put a fan, the wind will spin it, and the fan will already blow on sails and generate electricity.
  17. AAK
    19 February 2020 18: 49
    The idea of ​​upgrading the sailing "Q-thorns" is really not new, something like that was published back in the 70s-80s, as one of the colleagues correctly noted, in the "Technics - Youth" magazine. There are quite acceptable options - a sonar detection / control ship, with very limited shock functions. The hull is better than a trimaran, sails are 2-3 rigid wings plus 1 turbo sail per generator shaft. The SAC is divided, the hydrophones are integrated into the body according to oriented groups, plus, by all means - GPBA ... But the author's version given in the article is really dashing Manilovism and the fruit of the influence of the Crimean summer sun, it is very insidious here ... :)
    The author proposes something like a mono-hull galleon for about 1500 tons with mini-nuclear power plants and conventional sailing weapons, plus PLUR, SAM, TA, AK battery, and even with a spherical hull lowered under the hull from the 885th. The heartbreaking must be a sight ... But the devil, as usual, is in the details.
    - HAC, as the author suggests, descends under the keel from the shaft built into the ship's hull. The diameter of the hull is no less than 8–9 meters, plus the volume for the lowering mechanism. All this results in a total hull width between 15-18 meters in the midship, which, with the proposed length of 80-90 meters and the stated approximate displacement, makes it necessary to use completely non-navigable contours. And what kind of sediment will such a leviathan have. In addition, a large-diameter through shaft approximately in the middle of the hull (to maintain acceptable stability) forces the placement of GEM mechanisms in two practically unconnected autonomous echelons. Even for the most compact nuclear reactor, steam pipelines and turbines with gearboxes and bioprotection, plus a shaft line and much more are still needed ... And where else to poke UVP ... Therefore, the claimed displacement will not be saved, and the GEM will not be able to be combined from the word at all. And the soaring PLUR / SAM can get confused in the rigging ...
    - The benefits of such a HAK are also very doubtful. Submarines with a large spherical HAC at the working depth of immersion practically do not experience rolling or pitching. There are no problems with determining the bearing to the target. The ocean on the surface is almost never calm, in the near-surface layer there are spurious noise from the waves, including reflected from the hull will simply stupidly interfere with the work of such a hull. Yes, and the suspension must be done like a gimbal, otherwise the hack will chat. Yes, and on such a case, as the author suggests, the HAC will generally be a bit of a floating anchor ...
    In general - I wanted the best, but it turned out what happened ... But it was funny, people even thought about their homeland on vacation ...
  18. 0
    19 February 2020 19: 29
    The topic of hydroacoustics on a sailboat has been around for a long time among professionals. Back in the 80s, my commander wanted to write a dissertation on this topic, collected materials. This topic suggests itself to thinking officers! and the success of JI Cousteau's "Alcyon" gives hope that the modern interpretation of the sail is quite viable.
    1. +2
      19 February 2020 19: 48
      Quote: Galleon
      modern interpretation of the sail is viable quite

    2. +1
      20 February 2020 05: 37
      Quote: Galleon
      The subject of hydroacoustics on a sailboat has been around for a long time among professionals.

      It is unfortunate that they were isolated on time.
  19. +1
    19 February 2020 19: 32
    Well, well, the author! We must still be a little in this reality .....
  20. +1
    19 February 2020 21: 33
    There is another option.
    A submerged glider with a towed power plant consisting of a solar panel platform.
    Upon detection by sonar going in the opposite direction of the objects, the platform is flooded.
    1. 0
      20 February 2020 05: 34
      Quote: Guzadilla
      There is another option.
      A submerged glider with a towed power plant consisting of a solar panel platform.
      Upon detection by sonar going in the opposite direction of the objects, the platform is flooded.

      You should write books!
  21. 0
    19 February 2020 22: 46
    The idea is great. And not in one copy it is necessary, but a series of at least half a dozen ..
  22. 0
    20 February 2020 05: 29
    ... I am sure of success! So pass it on to comrade Dzerzhinsky!
  23. +1
    22 February 2020 15: 48
    Yeah, I also wrote that a fighter needs 2 things: an AFAR and a long-range missile, and it could be a corn mailer, without any supersonic and OBT there for crazy millions ... They stumbled. Although I have not heard a single argument, except for the speed of transfer between the theater.
  24. 0
    25 February 2020 11: 15
    The brain responded to this article and comments - drifting PlavBaza, most likely not flooded. With submarine radar mines and all other complexes. The cheaper the better. The most automated, what smaller staff. It will be beaten off from the Air, deep sweeps, Poseidons with vanguards on board, plus torpedoes. To the author’s topic - drones instead of helicopters or airships on methane. Well, ICBM to the heap. Also buoys can set. GLONASS will attract there.
    ___ In fact, this PB is no longer a ship, but a station. A maneuverable current flow is needed. It will be cheaper than a ship. He will have time to shoot back (he gathers goals in advance), it’s difficult to flood, it’s easy to evacuate with any boat. Well, he / she / it will be on the gun, like any cruiser or the same BOD, so what? The life time of a ship in our time is so-so. But to study hydroacoustics on it and listen to bunches of shrimp from the antipodes, that’s it.
    ___ All this is within the imagination.
    1. -1
      26 February 2020 11: 04
      Quote: CBR600
      ___ In fact, this PB is no longer a ship

      Chip Kamchatka to hell with the continent with jackhammers, and put it on a long voyage!
      1. 0
        26 February 2020 11: 09
        A floating spaceport, why not a platform?
        1. -1
          26 February 2020 11: 12
          Quote: CBR600
          A floating spaceport, why not a platform?

          Yet Kamchatka is better. If it is pushed off the coast correctly, then in a couple of years it will pester the Hawaiian islands. There, and America is at hand.
          1. 0
            26 February 2020 11: 16
            It will be defined as the natural increment of the area and will be washed away. Although, if with a population and buildings and a flag, it can ride
            1. -1
              26 February 2020 11: 19
              Quote: CBR600
              It will be defined as the natural increment of the area and will be washed away. Although, if with a population and buildings and a flag, it can ride

              Kamchatka has more mass, it will crush Hawaii under it. There will be no referendum. Again, according to МППС-72, the Americans are an obstacle to the law, and they must yield.

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