Is anyone ready to fight to save the memory of the heroes of the Great Patriotic War?

Is anyone ready to fight to save the memory of the heroes of the Great Patriotic War?

Some time ago, my article was published on the pages of "Military Review" “Create a memorial to the rescued heroes”. The article is devoted to the problem of desecration of monuments to Soviet soldiers in foreign countries, the scolding of honor and sacred memory of our fathers and grandfathers. A variant of solving this problem is also proposed - the return to the homeland of monuments subjected to vandalism. It is proposed to place the exported monuments in a specially created memorial to the rescued heroes.


It would seem that such an idea should find a wide response in the minds and hearts of compatriots. After all, 27 million victims of the war! Millions of war veterans who have sons, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. Members of veteran public organizations, patriotic youth organizations - how many members do they have? Alas, today the article received only 47 comments and 7 likes. It is gratifying that at least most of the comments are positive. I would like to dwell on some of them that deserve, from my point of view, attention.

The reader, under the nickname Sergey S., suggested placing the salvaged monuments along the Pulkovo highway, on the way from St. Petersburg airport to the city. The idea is phenomenal in terms of a killer effect on guests from inhospitable countries. Of course, it cannot be realized, but Sergey’s train of thought reflects his attitude to the atrocities of the XNUMXst century vandals.

The opposite opinion was expressed by the reader under the nickname Leader of the Redskins, he called the idea “Manilovism”:

“One can only dream that huge material and technical means for moving memorials will be dumped. This will not happen in the current realities. ”

I allow myself to object to the leader of the Redskins. My idea is not new. Here are just a few examples. Pskovites are ready to buy Soviet monuments from Lithuania [1], in Moscow they are ready to buy a monument to Suvorov from Kiev [2]. Russian businessmen offered Poland to buy out the monuments to Soviet soldiers [3].


There are many other similar offers. By the way, one of my readers under the nickname PO-tzan also offered to chip in to save the monuments by deducting 10 percent of the salary from everyone who wants to take part in the project. "Wishing" while accumulated a little.

Nevertheless, this is not Manilovism, because people who have a heartache for fallen heroes look at things soberly and offer to buy monuments, and not at the expense of the budget, according to the leader of the Redskins, but at the expense of folk funds, funds of commercial organizations, for example, Avanti (CEO Rahman Yansukov). In fairness, it is worth noting that his proposal, published in August 2017, like my appeal, gained only 714 views and received 1 (one!) Like.


Where are you, the mysterious Russian soul glorified in legends?


A reader under the name Phil77 wrote:

“And what about the mass graves of fallen soldiers? But doesn’t it seem to you that those who are engaged in vandalism seek to erase all the memory of the war, about those who liberated their cities at the cost of their own lives? If we remove the monuments to fallen soldiers, then future generations of Europeans will not know at all about the role of Red Army fighters in the defeat of Nazism. How to deal with vandalism? Need to think!"

Let's analyze the comment on the points. First, why is this happening? The answer lies on the surface: with the collapse of the USSR, the Warsaw Treaty Organization, the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance and many other social and interstate relations, public consciousness in the countries of Eastern Europe changed radically. People returned to their former, pre-war values. The atmosphere of Russophobia, distortion artificially fueled by modern politicians, superimposed on this. historical the truth about the causes of the Second World War, about the contribution of the USSR and the Red Army to the victory over fascism. People began to forget that during the fascist occupation their fathers and grandfathers were not considered Nazis for full-fledged people, because they did not belong to the so-called higher race, the Aryans. And therefore, they were subject to either liquidation or transfer to the status of genuine slaves.

Thus, the monuments to Soviet soldiers erected in European cities, in the eyes of a significant part of the public, and especially the authorities and politicians, look alien. This became quite natural during the unfolding information war. And from this mass stood out the most marginal part - vandals who express their hatred of everything Russian on the monuments. That is why the monuments to Soviet soldiers, where they are scolded, are subject to unconditional evacuation to their homeland. The desecration of the honor and memory of fallen heroes who can no longer fend for themselves should not be allowed.

Secondly, about mass graves. This is a completely different matter. On the territory of 36 foreign countries, there are 12141 burials, in which lie the remains of 4124156 dead soldiers, of which only 837261 are known by name [4]. Do not disturb the grave. In almost all cultures, world and even regional religions, in the laws of any country, desecration of graves is condemned and prosecuted by criminal law. The political will to apply laws on the facts of desecration of military burials should be left to the conscience of representatives of local authorities, as well as to the persistence and firmness of the position of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

Dear readers! I published an article not for publicity, and not for the sake of reward, I refused it. Together with the organizations indicated in the article, letters were sent to the President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin and the governor of the Leningrad region. To date, we have received feedback from these authorities.

Since send the appeal directly VV Putin from the personal account service of citizens' appeals to the President of the Russian Federation failed, I filed a complaint to the responsible official. The answer takes one and a half pages of clerical-style text. The main point of the answer is as follows:

“The Site is an interactive service with special information processing algorithms in order to ensure equal access to communication channels for the Site users to exercise the right of citizens to appeal to the President of the Russian Federation and the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation.
In accordance with the Federal Law of May 2, 2006 No. 59-FZ, the exercise by citizens of the right to appeal should not violate the rights and freedoms of other persons, therefore, in order to ensure the exercise of the right to appeal of other citizens through the Site and to ensure information security, protection is triggered due to this, the time interval between the directions of texts in the form of an electronic document from the same recipient can automatically increase. ”

In the end, they suggested writing in regular mail to Ilyinka. I can imagine how much time will pass until someone gets their hands on a paper letter if the site itself falls from the flow of calls. It is hoped that someone from the presidential administration will review the article in the form of an open letter to V.V. Putin and, possibly, will report to him. And one can only guess in what way the idea will reach the addressee. Of course, if under the article there were not 7 likes, but a couple of millions, this would contribute to acceleration.

Our letter to the governor of the Leningrad region about the creation of the memorial was answered by the committee on youth policy of the administration of the Leningrad region. It should be noted that this is not a simple reply: the committee in the person of First Deputy Chairman M. A. Sokolov proposed to present the idea of ​​the project in more detail for in-depth consideration. Something already. We are working.

The deputy of the Legislative Assembly of the Leningrad Region also responded to Just Russia. She positively assessed the project as an idea and a necessity, but expressed doubt that the regional administration would deal closely with this issue amid the hustle and bustle of the upcoming elections of the regional governor.

Thus, in the dry residue we have:

• albeit a cautious, but positive reaction of regional authorities;

• indifference of the Russian people in the face of the audience of “Military Review”, if we consider it as a focus group of Russian society involved in military affairs;

• the lack of an official response from the president of Russia (for now, we will write off for a short period from the moment of publication). Soon the fairy tale affects, but not soon the thing is done, "maybe the Kremlin will harness the horses.

In conclusion, I express my wish to those readers of Military Review who are ready to fight to save the honor and sacred memory of the fallen heroes of the Great Patriotic War, to disseminate information about the project among their relatives, friends and acquaintances, let them read the article “Create a Memorial to Saved Heroes” on “Military review. " Let them leave their comments, like them if they support the project. Indeed, almost every family in the country did not wait for one of their ancestors from the war.

Used sources
“Komsomolskaya Pravda” (spb.kp.ru/daily/26410/3285353/).
"New Izvestia" (newizv.ru/news/society/14-12-2018/v-moskve-gotovy-vykupit-pamyatnik-suvorovu-v-kieve).
mosaica.ru (mosaica.ru/ru/federal/news/2017/08/16/rossiiskie-predprinimateli-predlozhili-polshe-vykupit-pamyatniki-sovetskim-voinam).
riafan.ru.
regnum.ru.
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newizv.rukieve; mosaica.ru; regnum.ru
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  1. Same lech 19 February 2020 05: 51 New
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    Anatoly, our VO site represents only a narrow part of our population interested in military affairs ... of course, as a percentage of the Russian population, this amounts to a negligible percentage.
    Therefore, the questions that you raised must be raised at the federal level and not on any website, even patriotic (the scale is not the same).
    It is necessary to fight for the honor of our ancestors not only in VO but everywhere wherever possible in everyday life, and first of all we must fight for the minds of young people who are easily led by the propaganda and lies of the haters of Russia and in the historical plan of the USSR.
    This process is not fast and will stretch for many long years ... you should not expect a quick result.
    1. luk
      luk 19 February 2020 07: 48 New
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      So we do, the article describes the first steps. Author
      1. bessmertniy 19 February 2020 07: 52 New
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        It is necessary at the state level to determine: how to punish countries where they are barbaric to our monuments. And only with their full restoration to remove punishments. am
      2. Olgovich 19 February 2020 08: 18 New
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        Quote: luk
        So we do, the article describes the first steps

        This should be done, first of all. the state, he has a real opportunity to track the fate of the monuments.

        and it has the ability to officially. based on mutual agreements. fight for the preservation of monuments to the end.

        And you can’t turn it into the campaign by massive redemption of monuments: this should be the exception. not the rule
      3. figwam 19 February 2020 09: 18 New
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        You have an American steel helmet in the photo.
        1. luk
          luk 19 February 2020 10: 22 New
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          Similar to the SSH-36. The Americans always had a powerful strap. In general, all helmets, like human heads, are similar. You haven’t found anything else to complain about?
          1. figwam 19 February 2020 10: 41 New
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            Quote: luk
            Similar to the SSH-36. The Americans always had a powerful strap. In general, all helmets, like human heads, are similar. You have not found anything more, what can you complain about?

            It just reminds patriotic advertising banners for military holidays on which by mistake they place photos of Germans or Americans, and in this case.
            SS-36 looks like this
            1. luk
              luk 19 February 2020 13: 23 New
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              Convinced. But an allied helmet. Perhaps, according to Lendliz, the Red Army.
              1. figwam 19 February 2020 18: 55 New
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                Quote: luk
                Perhaps, according to Lendliz, the Red Army.

                No, the Americans did not deliver their helmets to the USSR.
            2. Po-tzan 19 February 2020 18: 06 New
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              Quote: figvam
              It just reminds patriotic advertising banners for military holidays on which by mistake they place photos of Germans or Americans, and in this case.


              Ours, and so on from head to toe, were dressed in Amer’s or made on Amer’s machines or from Amer’s materials, what is the essence of nitpicking?

              1. luk
                luk 19 February 2020 20: 28 New
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                Thank you saved me from the "shame"
      4. Leshy1975 19 February 2020 11: 11 New
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        Quote: luk
        So we do, the article describes the first steps. Author

        Anatoly. What you write about is undoubtedly important. But you are trying to solve the problem from the wrong angle. It is necessary to solve the problem, starting with today's authorities in the Kremlin. Without this, you get a transfusion from empty to empty. Konstantin Semin spoke very well on this subject. Look to the end, please:
        With respect to you and your work. hi
        1. luk
          luk 19 February 2020 11: 43 New
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          Thanks, I especially liked the photo of Solzhenitsyn in shorts. But I do not want to get involved in political squabbles so as not to get smeared in manure. And in general, he came to the conclusion that not a single person can change the System. Only support from Above can help here.
          1. maidan.izrailovich 19 February 2020 12: 48 New
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            But I do not want to get involved in a political showdown, ...

            However, whether you want it or not, your article still affects politics.
            The problem is described quite correctly. And you need to do something ....
            Only now leverage .... real leverage .... not observed.
            We have living citizens arrested around the world. And we can’t do anything. Any of our requirements are simply ignored. And even diplomats are not allowed.
            The only option in this situation is to bring all the remains to their homeland. And thus close the topic.
        2. Po-tzan 19 February 2020 18: 19 New
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          Quote: Leshy1975
          It is necessary to solve the problem, starting with today's authorities in the Kremlin. Look to the end, please:


          The son of Yeltsin’s official Viktor Nikolayevich Semin, an American resident Mr. Konstantin Syomin, whose wife, father-in-law and mother-in-law live in permanent residence in America, and his son is a US citizen by birth, journalist, graduate of New York University (where one semester costs $ 35,000), of course , will teach us how to solve the problem of today's power in the Kremlin and teach us Marxism. I have no doubt. laughing laughing laughing
          1. Leshy1975 19 February 2020 18: 29 New
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            Quote: PO-tzan
            Quote: Leshy1975
            It is necessary to solve the problem, starting with today's authorities in the Kremlin. Look to the end, please:


            The son of Yeltsin’s official Viktor Nikolayevich Semin, an American resident Mr. Konstantin Syomin, whose wife, father-in-law and mother-in-law live in permanent residence in America, and his son is a US citizen by birth, journalist, graduate of New York University (where one semester costs $ 35,000), of course , will teach us how to solve the problem of today's power in the Kremlin and teach us Marxism. I have no doubt. laughing laughing laughing

            Well, we have a Yeltsin receiver in power for several decades, it teaches us how to love our homeland and what is better for us. And nothing, many are even happy about this. And here is just the son of an official.
            Here, the Ulyanovs, Alexander and Vladimir, were also the sons of a father who, under the tsar, rose to the rank of state councilor. And how it came out later. The son is not responsible for the father. hi
            1. Po-tzan 19 February 2020 18: 41 New
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              Quote: Leshy1975
              Here, the Ulyanovs, Alexander and Vladimir, were also the sons of a father who, under the tsar, rose to the rank of state councilor. And how it came out later. The son is not responsible for the father.


              Did Nadezhda Krupskaya live with the bourgeoisie for permanent residence?
              1. Leshy1975 19 February 2020 18: 43 New
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                Quote: PO-tzan
                Quote: Leshy1975
                Here, the Ulyanovs, Alexander and Vladimir, were also the sons of a father who, under the tsar, rose to the rank of state councilor. And how it came out later. The son is not responsible for the father.


                Did Nadezhda Krupskaya live with the bourgeoisie for permanent residence?

                I do not remember. That was a long time ago. Here from the recent, where the children of current officials live, namely Putin, Medvedev, Peskov and others I remember. If you are interested, I can tell you.
  2. Far B 19 February 2020 05: 56 New
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    To remove the monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators from Eastern Europe - just to help ensure that the memory of their feat quickly erased.
    In almost all cultures, world and even regional religions, in the laws of any country, desecration of graves is condemned and prosecuted by criminal law
    European legislation also condemns the desecration of monuments, which does not interfere with their desecration, so the path is actually only one:
    perseverance and firmness of the position of the Russian Foreign Ministry
    Add: and not only the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. In the days of the Soviet Union, no one even dared to yap in the direction of distorting the history of the Second World War. And now - easily. But the mass of Urikal extols Putin’s foreign policy successes. So here they are, these very successes - in all their glory unsightly.
    1. Same lech 19 February 2020 06: 10 New
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      But the mass of Urikal extols Putin’s foreign policy successes.
      Well, compared to Gorbachev and Yeltsin, Putin is an angel ... and it is impossible to demand from him impossible ... he acts quite in the spirit of the interests of the capitalist system in our state.
      1. Far B 19 February 2020 06: 14 New
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        Well, against the background of the tagged and EBN it is easy to look like an angel))) Even Medvedev, what an ugly personality, looked good against their background. And the fact that Putin acts in the interests of the system is undeniable. The conclusion, it turns out, is one: the system is powerless. And if the system is powerless, it must be changed before it is too late. Because all powerless systems end equally shitty.
        1. Same lech 19 February 2020 06: 16 New
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          And if the system is powerless, it must be changed before it is too late. Because all powerless systems end equally shitty.

          I spoke about this many years ago ... we are stepping on an old rake. smile
          But suitable conditions have not yet arrived for changing the system ... taking it and just changing it will not work.
          1. Far B 19 February 2020 06: 22 New
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            suitable conditions have not yet arrived
            So the conditions are always inappropriate))) In winter, reluctance to snot freeze, in summer - vacation, the sea, in spring - the soul sings, bird-flowers, in the autumn - mushrooms, berries, autumn day feeds winter, etc. It’s not a matter of conditions, it’s a point of no return, beyond which the system is “just taken and replaced”. Either from above, or from below, either from within or from without. The best option, of course - from the inside and from the top. But here it is not necessary to make a guess.
            But where is that point of no return? It has seemed several times that here it is, but no, our people do not have patience, take ...
            1. Same lech 19 February 2020 06: 24 New
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              But where is that point of no return? It has seemed several times that here it is, but no, our people do not have patience, take ...

              So what do you want right away at your command that summer comes and never smile it ended ... it doesn’t happen.
              Like I want and that's it ... well, this is the position of the child. what
              There is nothing eternal in the world ... everything is changing ... our world will also change ... our generation may not see this in life ... unless of course there is a third world war.
              1. Far B 19 February 2020 06: 28 New
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                Who said what I want - and that’s it? I have rather the Chinese principle - I sit on the shore, I expect laughing
                1. DEDPIHTO 19 February 2020 06: 42 New
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                  Quote: Far In
                  I have rather the Chinese principle - I sit on the shore, I expect laughing
                  Why just sit, at least stretch your leg or something .. wink ... so that passing enemies of the people stumble .. winked Do not beat, so by the boat.
            2. luk
              luk 19 February 2020 07: 49 New
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              Well said
          2. cradle 19 February 2020 12: 32 New
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            But suitable conditions have not yet arrived for changing the system ... to take and just change it will not work. [/ Quote]
            And it should turn out without blood.
  3. Sergey Averchenkov 19 February 2020 06: 41 New
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    Comrade author, it’s all true that you are saying, but I can’t split - to help LDNR and you. I just don’t have such money.
  4. rocket757 19 February 2020 06: 57 New
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    Monuments, the burial of which is threatened with destruction, must be taken home!
    To build an alley of "ingratitude and human unconsciousness" from the returned monuments to all the "gates of the country" !!! Yes, tablets with an exact indication of WHERE and WHY the monument had to be taken.
    But popular support and the state is NECESSARY!
    I won’t wonder if it will work out or not, I’ll just participate as far as possible!
    WHERE TO SUBSCRIBE?
    1. luk
      luk 19 February 2020 07: 50 New
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      This is in the previous, original article. We coincide with you here. Author
  5. Lamata 19 February 2020 06: 58 New
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    In no case should you remove the monuments. !!! This is a reminder and propaganda of his message.
    1. Vladivostok1969 19 February 2020 08: 11 New
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      Offer to watch how they are demolished?
      1. Lamata 19 February 2020 08: 44 New
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        No, but removed, can be regarded as another step back. By the way, you can demolish the memorial in Katyn in FIG.
        1. luk
          luk 19 February 2020 10: 23 New
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          Do not be like pigs
        2. cradle 19 February 2020 12: 34 New
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          They are just waiting for this, as an excuse.
          1. Lamata 19 February 2020 12: 35 New
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            They demolish the monument without any excuse.
          2. Lamata 19 February 2020 12: 36 New
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            Can be planted in front of the Polish embassy and consulates - BIRCHES.
      2. Alex_59 19 February 2020 10: 39 New
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        Quote: Vladivostok1969
        Offer to watch how they are demolished?
        The author of the article suggests not looking, but helping new Europeans to remove any mention of our victory from their land. Help with your hands, and even throw yourself at your own expense. Extravaganza!
        1. luk
          luk 19 February 2020 10: 58 New
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          My first wife was married to me. 3 months. Her husband took him away, locked him at home, beaten, raped as much as he wanted. Miraculously, she managed to call her father. He, a front-line marine wolf, arrived and took his daughter home. You probably would have left your daughter to endure abuse. And the monument cannot call.
          1. Alex_59 19 February 2020 12: 08 New
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            The monument stands there, because my grandfather came there and saved these wretched from the final loss of human appearance. He came there as a liberator. And this monument was erected so that they would remember about it. And he must stand there.
            Your proposal kills the main sense of the existence of such a monument, because here, I do not need to be reminded of how my grandfather came there to release them. I remember this without monuments. And they are trying to erase and forget. So I want the monument to stay there. And I propose not to chip in to destroy the memory of the feat of our grandfathers on European soil, but to demand from our state to protect this memory. Can't prevent desecration? Well, let Putin take a bucket and a rag and go to wash these monuments. Or guard. He can’t do it, let him entrust diplomats. Let the ambassador in Poland hire someone from the local adequacy, remembering who released them. Or they will demand from local authorities.
        2. Vladivostok1969 19 February 2020 14: 39 New
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          The author of the article suggests not looking, but helping new Europeans to remove any mention of our victory from their land. Help with your hands, and even throw yourself at your own expense. Extravaganza!

          If you have real methods of influencing these vandals, share it. But leaving the monuments of our soldiers for scolding is not an option. We can’t influence the actions of these barbarians. At least we should try to export the monuments to Russia.
          1. Alex_59 19 February 2020 15: 06 New
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            Quote: Vladivostok1969
            If you have real methods of influencing these vandals, share it.
            In bulk methods. In every country, the desecration of memorials is a crime. Every case of desecration must be demanded, regularly and persistently investigated. Associate cases of desecration with the volume of cooperation, hinting that if cases of desecration continue, it is possible to review these volumes in the direction of reduction. Through diplomatic channels to influence the governments of these countries. If there is no reaction, raise the issue with the UN. Submit to international courts. To carry out propaganda. Protect the most significant monuments by diplomatic missions, clean and clean. To attract citizens sympathetic to our position in those countries (and there are many of them, even in Russophobic Poland, many people remember who saved them from fascism). I very much doubt that the majority of the population of those countries is glad to desecrate monuments - in the worst case they are indifferent, and at best even against. Because scumbags defile, and not normal people. Nobody likes scumbags, even in Ukraine their minorities are supported by a minority of the population.
            We need to actively clarify our position - that we do not promote anything anti-European, we do not require us to bow and somehow express gratitude for the victory, we just want to preserve the monuments.
            Which of the following is done? Something small ... sometimes ... sluggish. That is almost nothing. And now it is proposed to immediately chop off the shoulder. Good approach. Let's cut off a sick leg right away, but did you try to treat it?
            And if tomorrow, in a fit of Russophobia, some boobies start burning the editions of Dostoevsky or Tolstoy? Do you propose to export all the books of Russian classics from there to the Russian Federation?
            1. Vladivostok1969 20 February 2020 04: 20 New
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              You write everything correctly. And I completely agree. But only the Foreign Ministry seems to be busy with something more important. Yes, and those to whom it may have addressed various requirements do not pay any attention to the words. It's just WORD A. Dostoevsky and Tolstoy to burn will begin. Even I have no doubt.
  6. Vladimir_2U 19 February 2020 07: 04 New
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    Evacuation of monuments ... But this can become a factor of pressure on the enemies of Russia, today the evacuation of monuments, tomorrow citizens, moreover based on physical security, and the day after tomorrow what? Personally, I would comb my turnips.
    focus group of Russian society involved in military affairs
    Look at the comments on articles about the USSR, there are enough haters of the Soviet period on the site.
    1. luk
      luk 19 February 2020 07: 52 New
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      There are always enough haters. It is necessary to collect business people. But few people go beyond comment
      1. rocket757 19 February 2020 08: 12 New
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        Only all together, so always victory was won.
  7. Van 16 19 February 2020 07: 27 New
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    I apologize, not quite in the subject, but I have a question for all forum users. To all.
    I hope everyone is aware that there is a site in Moscow "Memory of the people"? If not, be sure to check in, there the Defense Ministry uploads archival materials for everyone who fought for 41-45 years. I found my grandfathers there. And quite a lot of documents related to them (personal card, extracts from orders, etc.)
    There is also a link to the site "Memory Road", this is the new main church of the MO, which is now under construction, you can add photos and in this new church, in Patriot Park, there will be a page of your Hero.
    Come, do not be lazy, so as not to lose the memory of your parents, grandfathers, great-grandfathers, those who fought, defending our homeland.
    1. luk
      luk 19 February 2020 07: 54 New
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      This is a good project, needed. But why don’t you like the memorial?
      1. Van 16 19 February 2020 08: 56 New
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        It seemed to me that the site there is more complete, there are more documents, and they also use the Memorial data bank hi
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  9. Dedok 19 February 2020 08: 09 New
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    I did not quite understand the author’s thought: to buy out the monuments? But what about the dust of our grandfathers? - in place of the fraternal cemetery - these can build a public toilet!
    Monuments never excite me, but what to do with dust? This is the question, if you essentially analyze the situation.
    Those. the question should be - about the redemption of land under fraternal cemeteries - by our state, and then, we can hope that there will be no questions about the monuments.
    And the monuments - look at the state in which they are in the US - their contents are hung up on the village administrations who have NO funds for this - and we are all silent, and we "smear with paint" only by the date, May 9
    1. luk
      luk 19 February 2020 09: 41 New
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      Please read carefully, we are talking about monuments in cities. And the burial place does not need to be disturbed. Monuments to them, like a tooth in the nose, and nothing can be done about it. They are masters in their land, friendship is over, toys are cut in half. Therefore, it is necessary to evacuate ours from there, like downed pilots from foreign territory
  10. Dedok 19 February 2020 08: 11 New
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    I wrote about freaks who demolish burial sites, the site’s functionality demolished the word a second time, and who are they? why such tolerance in this matter?
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  12. Alex_59 19 February 2020 08: 12 New
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    Strongly against the idea of ​​"evacuation" of monuments. In general, I don’t give a damn what kind of internal fermentation takes place in all kinds of Poland, but the monuments are rightfully standing there, why should we clean them up? To completely forget about our just cause? No. Let them defile if they want. And let those people who still have brains in those countries see how some of their citizens show disgusting memory of our soldiers and possibly their ancestors killed by the Nazis or saved by our liberators. The monument is not a grave. If so the question arose - let the monument fight with those who want to reconsider history. Let them defile and demolish - there are also losses in war. But those who voluntarily “evacuate” themselves will not see victory. There will be no monuments - they will only be delighted there. And the fact that they are somewhere in Russia - it does not matter to them, Europeans will not travel on Pulkovo highway every day.
    Do you imagine that Zhukov in the 45th said: oh, something here fascist shortcomings defile us, everything will be evacuated to Russia. It’s ridiculous.
    That is why the monuments to Soviet soldiers, where they are scolded, are subject to unconditional evacuation to their homeland. The desecration of the honor and memory of fallen heroes who can no longer fend for themselves cannot be allowed.
    Cannot be drilled? Fine. Only where does the evacuation. Let's demand from Putin that each case be monitored and for each case, to the maximum, tear those countries where this happens. The legislation of almost every country has a responsibility for the desecration of memorials - let our politicians require a thorough investigation in each case from the authorities of those countries. Not valid - let it be served in international courts. Let them create info noise as much as possible, let the information in the news of those countries sound like mocking memorials. They won’t achieve anything, but they will create noise and draw attention to the topic.
  13. Ros 56 19 February 2020 08: 14 New
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    First of all, it is necessary to adopt a law on liability for abuse of monuments to the Heroes of the Great Patriotic War with such fines so that their eyes sweat and the fool would pay for them for twenty years. This is for ours, but for foreigners, the ban on entry into the Russian Federation is forever and as soon as monuments are destroyed there with the knowledge of the authorities, then impose economic sanctions and even to break diplomatic relations. We will not respect ourselves, no one will respect us, and this liberal indulgence on the part of GDP only expands the zone of Russophobia.
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      luk 19 February 2020 09: 43 New
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      There is such a law. But we can’t use it extraterritorially, like the USA, the strength is not enough
      1. Ros 56 19 February 2020 12: 29 New
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        Are you talking about silenks seriously, but maybe this is not the case, but in our liberals? Then read what I wrote again.
  14. The leader of the Redskins 19 February 2020 08: 33 New
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    The author gave only a few examples of the fact that people are ready to save several monuments. But what about the thousands of others?
    If we continue the analogy with Manilovism, there are several people who are ready to sacrifice crystal services for the construction of the bridge, but ... That's all! There is not enough finance for the "bridge", and the St. Petersburg leadership does not know anything about the construction, and it has not given permission!
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      luk 19 February 2020 09: 45 New
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      No one bothers to take out all the monuments. Russia is big, in every region you can create a memorial
  15. AleBors 19 February 2020 09: 22 New
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    It is necessary to use social networks. Then the information will disperse more widely.
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      luk 19 February 2020 09: 50 New
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      Oh, if every commentator, reader left a post on social networks with a link to these appeals!
      1. AleBors 19 February 2020 10: 01 New
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        I do so ...
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          luk 19 February 2020 10: 27 New
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          Thank! To be silent further = tactics of "sitting out" which is now peculiar to the Russian Federation
  16. Million 19 February 2020 09: 30 New
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    It is interesting to know the opinion of the authorities of those states where monuments to Soviet soldiers have been erected.
    1. luk
      luk 19 February 2020 09: 46 New
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      Many local authorities make demolition decisions
      1. Million 19 February 2020 09: 50 New
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        In other words, the reason that our soldiers died now no one needs. The truth is: do not do good, you will not get evil!
        I believe that this problem is a consequence of the poor work of our Foreign Ministry and the government.
  17. Mikhail3 19 February 2020 10: 05 New
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    The author really wants money. We understand it - money is nice. The only question is that when he tries to organize a campaign on the site in support of his financial aspirations, he makes an inevitable mistake. Are we ready to "fight for the salvation of the memory of heroes"? Ready. Only there is some doubt.
    Is there a front line there? Is the direction of the main blow correctly outlined by the author? Of course, traveling around Europe and shaming our head reproachfully, arranging for the loading of monuments and their removal is easy and fun, plus it’s nice and profitable. But in general, the monuments belong to the countries that built them. And since it came to dismantling them, then first of all the monuments collapsed in the hearts of the inhabitants of these countries. Why do we need conquered monuments? How is the memory of OUR unconditional defeat?
    When did they collapse? Is it not when our country abandoned its allies and betrayed friends? Do we really want to preserve the monuments to our betrayal? Now these monuments are just that.
    This will be the Park of our Shame. Sorely needed, yeah ...
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      luk 19 February 2020 10: 33 New
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      Do not measure all by yourself. I refused publication fees. My father went to the front, 2 months before the 17th birthday, in the 43rd. He walked from Kursk to Berlin with an anti-tank rifle, which means he was at the forefront. He died in Ukraine on the day of the Nazi putsch. I did not give him filial love, which I regret. Poet
      I put my soul into this project, and not the thirst for dough. Yes, and where will I get the money from? Do you think that I’ll sell bronze? Look in the mirror of your soul before you offend a person
      1. Mikhail3 19 February 2020 10: 49 New
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        Buy yourself a medal. In general, your project is purely financial under the "holy words". Why - described above. Monuments are just stones and metals. Memory is in the souls of men. The USSR led many countries, and defended them by creating a single military bloc. Then the USSR betrayed the people who believed it and the countries that it promised to protect. These countries began to seek other protection, while calling traitors traitors.
        It is sad, but to pile up an alley or a park in memory of your betrayal is what you should spend the people's money on? Honestly, this is your shame to read. And how will it be to you, when you, who are scurrying around someone else’s monument, will be asked the same questions by the owners, what will it be? What will you answer? What grandfathers honestly shed blood? So no one argues ...
        By the way, when I post articles here, I do not ask for fees at all. Although my topics will be more popular than yours)
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          luk 19 February 2020 11: 02 New
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          The flag is in your hands! I will not measure with you, whose dignity is thicker
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          luk 19 February 2020 11: 20 New
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          And yet, it is very strange that you are comparing your articles with this appeal for the salvation of honor and sacred memory to fallen heroes according to the criterion of interest. Exactly, and this is not pathos. Sorry to hurt your vanity. Or is it still a complex ...
          1. Mikhail3 19 February 2020 13: 08 New
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            What is pride? My? In what? You essentially have nothing to say. Naturally, what can you say? I hope there will not be another cut. Well, or at least I slightly spoiled your business project. Very much he ... Ugh.
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              luk 19 February 2020 15: 03 New
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              I live on retirement, I am 68 years old. From the business that he was engaged in after 25 years of service in the USSR Armed Forces, he long ago departed. And you look like a provocateur, trying to troll me. Perhaps, from the inferiority complex due to envy of other people's successes (you yourself wrote that your articles are more interesting, as if we are discussing a novel), or under a liberal order, troll everything that is positive. And why, when a Russian person appears, decently dressed, clean-shaven, not drunk and etiquette, does he provoke hatred among a certain social group?
  18. Old warrior 19 February 2020 10: 21 New
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    With both hands - Over! Ready to participate financially.
  19. Glory1974 19 February 2020 10: 25 New
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    I believe that monuments cannot be evacuated. We must fight for Europe, for the minds and counter European neo-Nazism.
    Now the monuments are at the forefront of the struggle. If we retreat, we will have to fight for the monuments already on our territory. Just as they are now trying to equate Stalin and Hitler, they will equate the Red Army and the Wehrmacht. And to demand repent, hell knows why, and to remove the monuments in our territory already.,
    War alone cannot be won. If the authorities in some countries allow vandalism in relation to our monuments, it is necessary to act at all levels that we can. To initiate criminal cases, impose sanctions, limit economic cooperation, etc. and not just express concern over the Foreign Ministry.
    1. Alex_59 19 February 2020 10: 33 New
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      Quote: glory1974
      If we retreat, we will have to fight for the monuments already on our territory.

      Even Kaliningrad will be offered to return, once the Russians leave, they take away the monuments. Do not go to a fortuneteller.
  20. Old Orc 19 February 2020 11: 21 New
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    Monuments cannot be taken. It would be right to redeem and transfer to the status of diplomatic real estate. BUT as a power invigorating with a memory in its homeland can fight for it abroad, it is not clear.
  21. Assyrian 19 February 2020 12: 02 New
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    Dear Author! Let me express my own point of view (do not be angry). You made a proposal, to say the least defeatist. Forum users calmly reacted to this (read and did not support). It outrages you.
    1. To begin with, the authorities (revisionist) of these countries are exactly what they are seeking to remove from the territories any material reminder of the (lost) war. In the minds of most of their citizens, they have already made the adjustment. Both monuments and burial places are very disturbing in their own territories. As soon as we begin this process (evacuation) it will not be stopped. The graves of our grandfathers will be excavated, or simply rolled up with asphalt. Figuratively speaking, we are in a trench and we are fighting with the enemy, and you propose to go into the second trench (and then back down to level the front). Order No. 227 has not been canceled !!!
    2. Russia (the state) and we (citizens) must do everything to preserve the memory of the Feat and Conquest of our grandfathers. After the liberation campaign, we have already taken a step back many times. Monuments and graves is the last trench, after which the Memory, Feat, Conquest of our grandfathers will be erased. We (the state and citizens) need to do everything necessary to stop the process. I would go for the toughest measures, right down to the military. The desecration of monuments is their shame. The evacuation of monuments is our shame.
    3. I hope your proposal is a noble impulse (not fully thought out), and not a provocation of our enemies.
    hi
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      luk 19 February 2020 13: 10 New
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      Do you really believe that someone can be forced to respect yourself? You will never force a person to do what he does not want. Even if forced by force, then he can submit only by his inner decision. And even using force on a foreign land is a war. Again?
      1. Assyrian 19 February 2020 14: 36 New
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        Quote: luk
        Do you really believe that someone can be forced to respect yourself?

        In politics, the concepts of “respect” “not respect” have a different meaning than in interpersonal relationships.
        Quote: luk
        And even using force on a foreign land is a war. Again?

        I call for an adequate response to their actions. Such that thought ten timesbefore shitting.
        War? On 08.08.08, Saakashvili himself begged. Deservedly. Of course, war is a last resort.
      2. Glory1974 19 February 2020 14: 52 New
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        Do you really believe that someone can be forced to respect yourself?

        Machiavelli in his book "Sovereign" writes:
        What is better to be loved or hated?
        For the emperor it is necessary that they hate. Because love depends on people, they can love, but they may not love. That is, you cannot influence it in any way. And hatred depends on you, you can control it. This is more useful for the emperor.
        Therefore, in interstate relations, such principles act. The love of the Red Army in Europe passed with the departure of military generations, and we cannot influence this.
        It remains only to bend your line, and let them hate, even die from hatred, we do not care. But our monuments should stand there.
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          luk 19 February 2020 15: 11 New
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          But the Gospel says, "The kingdom of God is within you." No law and no policy will make you love and respect what you hate or consider foreign to you. For them, our monuments are alien. Would you like a monument to Bismarck in your city?
          1. Glory1974 19 February 2020 15: 19 New
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            No law and no policy will make you love and respect what you hate or consider alien

            I am writing about this. And Machiavelli writes about it. It makes no sense to try to make love. But you can make hate and vary the degree of hate.
            For them, our monuments are alien.

            They are not alien to them. It is full of monuments that in Europe the inhabitants maintain at their own expense and obihazhite them.
            But the authorities, taking advantage of the fact that the older generation is leaving, pursues an appropriate policy and inspires the idea that the Red Army is bad and the monuments should be removed.
            Would you like a monument to Bismarck in your city?

            In my city, a monument was erected to Mannerheim. And only the outraged public forced him to be removed. But when the older generation leaves, who remembers that Mannerheim was blocking the city from the north, they will try to put him again. And 99% of pedestrians will walk past the monument and assume that this is a Russian officer to the "Arctic explorer" .
  22. Old Horseradish 19 February 2020 12: 48 New
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    The whining about saving the truth began. Well, author, save the truth. Here she is, really. And now streams of shit are pouring on the USA and England, incl. on that website. Here, the author, and save the truth until you are banned ...
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      luk 19 February 2020 13: 12 New
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      Dear Old horseradish, did you yourself understand what you wrote? I didn’t understand a damn thing
      1. Old Horseradish 19 February 2020 21: 55 New
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        Son, I had in mind that you can’t celebrate a victory and immediately nudge all allies: Americans, British, Europeans, as well as Ukrainians, Belarusians, Georgians and many, many others. And it turns out victory. What is not clear here?
        1. Prjanik 20 February 2020 00: 38 New
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          To nurture whom? Those who desecrate graves and demolish monuments to their liberators? Or those who declare the USSR in the outbreak of World War II? Are these allies? Maybe they were once, but they sailed away.
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          Father! If you are 90, you can consider me a son and God grant you health. And the term "victory" from the Echo of Moscow is spread when they rage in impotent rage on Victory Day
  23. Domobran 19 February 2020 15: 09 New
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    The undertaking is good, you need to know and respect the history of your people.
    Only there is a feeling that the Russian government and the people and history wanted to spit.
    But ordinary people have more important and closer questions. When everyone will be full and satisfied, then you can think of the sublime. What pride and memory are there when people are forced to take loans to pay, survive.
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      And this is true. But the soul hurts when you look at this barbarism and feel your helplessness
  24. Po-tzan 19 February 2020 17: 59 New
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    Is anyone ready to fight to save the memory of the heroes of the Great Patriotic War?


    I have long suggested that we need from the bottom to take the initiative to introduce a voluntary "memorial tax." I think that each of us can regularly separate a small amount of our earnings (say, 10%) for the export to Russia and the maintenance of monuments scolded by the non-brothers. Here, it seems to me, it is necessary to write not to Putin, but to Mishustin (he is in charge of taxes). Let them officially draw up an additional monthly fee on salaries of all concerned in the amount of 10%, let's call it conditionally "Memorial Tithing." Of course, the additional tax should be drawn up only at will, and for those who are “Memorial Tithe,” I propose that you give the right to free access to historical museums.
    At the same time, we will see how many true patriots we have, who are ready in practice, to support the memory of our grandfathers with our ruble, and how many sofa balabol.
  25. Lexus 20 February 2020 09: 11 New
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    Anatoly, you have raised a very necessary topic. But there are nuances. The memory of those Heroes must be protected not only abroad, but also here in Russia. And by voting this problem, alas, cannot be solved. It will probably be right if all those who were nearby will visit memorable places, put things in order, to the best of their ability, and lay flowers. To start. It is also necessary to demand that the authorities take steps to achieve and maintain the status quo with at least those countries from which the descendants of "uninvited guests" come to Russia to the graves of their failed ancestor conquerors. If we also take out the monuments and the remains of our fallen soldiers as refugees, it may turn out that someday Great Russia will shrink to the Moscow Ring Road, and the rest of the land will be permanently lost to the Russian World. You need to fight for your History no matter what the cost - the loser of this battle risks not waiting for the mercy of the winner. Empires are not forgiven for weaknesses. Fact. hi