How to deal with the "linear bulk": the experience of the Syrian commanders

The campaign of the Syrian forces, which is successfully ongoing in the west of the country, has attracted increased attention of military experts. Many of them note significant shifts in the tactical skills of commanders, which indicate a significant increase in military experience.

Previously, CAA units often took to flight as a result of a massive attack, being unable to restrain the bulk of linear orders. Their mistake was that the commanders tried to find a strategically convenient position, strengthen it as much as possible and defend it as fortress walls.

However, the militants skillfully used it. They concentrated superior forces on a narrow section of the front, which made it possible to achieve a high concentration of fire in the positions of entrenched units. As a result, the effectiveness of return fire was significantly reduced and the battle formations of the jihadists could move in almost linear formations, which from the side of an inexperienced observer seemed crazy, but inexplicably productive tactics.

But in the end, there is an adequate answer to any military admission. After so many years of brutal selection on the fronts of the war, Syrian commanders gained experience and learned how to withstand this tactic.

They no longer cling to their initial position as the last stronghold, but prepare emergency sites in advance. The Syrian unit organizedly departs for them in the case of a “linear bulk”. This gives time to transfer reinforcements and deliver an artillery bomb bombardment to concentrated militant orders.

Comments

[d1m1drol]

Friends is the whole article? Or just an epilogue?)

[Vladimir_2U]

In terms of volume, rather a note about "your boy". ))

[knn54]

Well, VERY big comment

[Shurik70]

Quote: d1m1drol

Friends is the whole article? Or just an epilogue?)

Prologue ...
And the article was lost.

[Skay]

It smells of ya zen.

[achtung]

[quote] It smells of J. Zen.
/ quote] This is it!))

[The popuas]

It was possible, in general, to leave the last paragraph The title of the question and a small answer!

[cost]

Brevity is the soul of wit? Controversial, controversial

[Evdokim]

Quote: d1m1drol

Friends is the whole article?

This is an obituary.

spare sites. The Syrian unit organizedly departs for them in the case of a “linear bulk”. This gives time to transfer reinforcements and delivering an artillery bomb bombardment of concentrated militant orders.

After the hit, a mourning march.

[Nasrat]

Quote: d1m1drol

Friends is the whole article? Or just an epilogue?)

This is the comment of the day !!!

[SanSanych Gusev]

This is the title and first paragraph.

[Alexey Sommer]

And what do you want, what would you describe the battle in detail?
For example, everything suited me.
This is not a work of art. Dry military described tactics against a linear bulk.
Described the problem, described the solution, what else do you need?
SCREAMS OF URA, URA !!?

[saigon]

And what is this new term - linear bulk?
It seems like the basmachi shock groups create, and at the same time, such an upss linear bulk.
In a word, they kind of deigned to master the tactics of mobile defense. although something progress

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: saigon

linear bulk?

Apparently the war veterans called it that. What do you want?
Do not like it, think up your own and write your article.

Quote: saigon

shock groups

And where did you get this?

[saigon]

Dear, if you do not create local superiority in the offensive sector, and at the same time at least provide a flank, then the bulk will not be linear, but simply a bummer.
But about shock groups, it follows directly from the text that they break through in separate sections creating superiority in these sections.
Well, about bulk linear I repent the first I hear this tactical or strategic term (in Syria, the term is clearly tactical)

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: saigon

In a word, they kind of deigned to master the tactics of mobile defense.

Tactical retreat to pre-prepared positions. Not new, but along the way they just mastered it and then apparently with the direct participation of our military advisers.

[saigon]

I have a strong suspicion that they simply stopped mass draping.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: d1m1drol

Friends is the whole article? Or just an epilogue?)

this is the "obituary" to the "linear bulk".

[brr1]

Quote: d1m1drol

Friends is the whole article? Or just an epilogue?)

Apparently an extract from the combat regulations

[Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣]

Quote: d1m1drol

Friends is the whole article? Or just an epilogue?)

The article is small, but even in it there is more information and specificity than in most of the opuses published on this site, filled with water and the authors ’thoughts about the high

[d1m1drol]

Well, let's write an article how brave warriors learned to cook porridge in camp conditions, or that they decided to give up smoking hookah in battle formations) This story is not different, that they learned something) Bravo maestro, write more)

[Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣]

Quote: d1m1drol

decided to give up smoking hookah in battle formations)

You’re ironic, and I would love to read something dry and professionally competent about tactics in modern conflicts, with detailed fights, tracking evolution over time (in Syria, Ukraine, etc.). But it doesn’t catch my eye. There are no tactics in the internet, here are all the strategists and politicians)).
So this little article was pleasant to me.

[certero]

All the successes of the Basmachi is obtained only due to the lack of simple fulfillment of the requirements of the charter in the Syrian army. It’s like military security, reconnaissance, and so on.
Do you seriously think that against a normal army it was possible to use shahid mobiles?

[Same lech]

This gives time to transfer reinforcements and deliver an artillery bomb bombardment to concentrated militant orders.

Yeah from the experience of PMV
Everything new is well forgotten old.
https://topwar.ru/123383-v-nastuplenii-i-oborone-o-taktike-russkoy-pehoty-pervoy-mirovoy-voyny-chast-3.html

[Vladimir_2U]

They no longer cling to their initial position as the last stronghold, but prepare emergency sites in advance

People say about this: "Not even a year has passed." And you can also prepare cut-off positions, but it seems difficult so far.

[Romario_Argo]

Tactics called: Steps
as an addition to the article, the former (current) and future firing points are mined, put markers, landmarks for artillery and VKS and depart.
then grind the most combat-ready units and move on, again with ledges

[steelmaker]

It is good that we learned after four years of war. Now, with Turkey in Idlib will they also study for four years?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: steel maker

Now, with Turkey, Idlib will also study for four years.

Hehe, the Turks have no such experience.

[Romario_Argo]

I agree. right at Idlib the ratio of troops of the SAR is 11000 infantry and 8800 special forces
7, 5, 11, 9, divisions = 11000 infantry - 630 tanks, 1300 infantry fighting vehicles, 480 artillery and MLRS
4 division: 3 Br. SpN, 2 Baht. SpN, 1 regiment SpN; 25th division: 6 regiments SPN = 8800 fighters SPN
some other parts of the 30th division and 5th corps of Special Forces
the Turks simply don’t even have so many Special Forces (!)

[voyaka uh]

630 tanks?
Right, the tank army ... to see it in some photo.

[Romario_Argo]

Have you ever seen one Syrian in an assault body armor seen in the pictures (???)
but they are (!) but there are no pictures

[hydrox]

Well, 4 years of war and the SAR begins to become a REAL army :: just a bit - and they will begin to educate the Turks!

[rocket757]

But in the end, an adequate response is found to any military reception. After so many years of brutal selection on the fronts of the war, Syrian commanders gained experience and learned how to skillfully counter this tactic.

This is not new at all. So it was, it is, it will be so.

[Romario_Argo]

in the Syrian army, the most combat-ready formations have special forces designations, such as: 4, 30, 25 divisions, 5 corps.
I think over time they will be renamed the air assault.
but first of all there will be enlargement of parts and separation.
the former "Forces of the Tiger" will soon start with the 25th division:
Now it consists of 6 regiments of Special Forces, 2 battalions each. there will be an enlargement of up to 6 Special Forces Brigades of 3 battalions
+ 2 art regiments and 2 Tank Brigades (x2 baht X 30 tanks) - with the subsequent formation of another "X" division of the Special Forces with 3 Special Forces Brigades from the enlarged 25th division and, accordingly, an artillery regiment and a tank brigade.

[rocket757]

This is normal. Train the army along the course of the company by dividing the most combat-ready, experienced units and creating on their basis more, more or less combat-ready units!
There are more painless methods, in the sense of reducing the combat effectiveness of the best units, but this takes time and a more relaxed atmosphere.

[Fishery]

)) they come, but in the opposite direction)

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Tonya

)) they come, but in the opposite direction)

Yeah. The front line is aligned.

[Nastia makarova]

pro-Turkish fighters are running

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

pro-Turkish fighters are running

We will wait until they completely run away and celebrate for real.
A long time ago my old mentor used to say: "The d'urak is not shown half the work." And we are not d'uraks, so we will not look at half the work.

[Nastia makarova]

I’m saying that they’re running, not running away)))

[Vasyan1971]

Phrases like "Hurray, we are breaking, Swedes are bending!" Sound good in hindsight, when the result is already known.
And my conviction: to shout "Hurray!" it is necessary after victory, and not in the process of obtaining it. At least for the sake of not jinxing.

[Nastia makarova]

in the process you have to cheer, they don't go silently to the attack

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

in the process you have to cheer, they don't go silently to the attack

You, apparently, never went on the attack. In the process, breathing must be protected, at least.
Besides, judging by the word "almost" used just now, your "Hurray!" passes on the category "do not say" gop "".

[Nastia makarova]

but I don’t have to go on the attack))))

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

but I don’t have to go on the attack))))

Is logical. But just in case, you should not promise.
For example, I was taught to talk about what I know a little bit about, which I also wish you.

ubi nil vales ibi nil velis

so to speak.

[Protos]

It’s great that we study in a foreign territory, with little blood and expired ammunition!

[Vasyan1971]

But in the end, an adequate response is found to any military reception. After so many years of brutal selection on the fronts of the war, Syrian commanders gained experience and learned how to skillfully counter this tactic.

And for me, the hand of the fair-haired guys is so visible ...

[hydrox]

And what difference does it make who controls these forces - they win, then they get the right to life, and this is a process that must be constantly reproduced.

[Freeman]

Quote: Vasyan1971

But in the end, an adequate response is found to any military reception. After so many years of brutal selection on the fronts of the war, Syrian commanders gained experience and learned how to skillfully counter this tactic.

And for me, the hand of the fair-haired guys is so visible ...

Undoubtedly.

"Remember the cryptic tactical trick:
When we retreat, we are going forward! "

/ I. Rasteryaev. Russian road. /

[tomket]

And if you open fire from a machine gun on the linear bulk of barmaley? Will this be another breakthrough in tactics?)

[beeper]

Our tactics teacher, tank lieutenant colonel, who had been an adviser in Egypt, said that the Arabs-warriors are so-so careless and very prone to abandoning their fighting positions, that the Israelis were more militant and inventive of them ...
Well done, that even if so, albeit with a significant delay, the Syrians have learned to resist the tactics of pro-American-Turkish militants!
But it is unlikely that the subsequent tactics of the enemy’s actions will remain unchanged ?!

[Pastor]

As far as I remember, the Chinese had such tactics in the middle of the last century. But infantry mines to the rescue.

[Castro Ruiz]

Volnami pekhoti probit breshch iv proriv brosit konicu. :)

[Ros 56]

There are some donkeys left, with horses a problem.

[Ros 56]

Nobody has yet canceled the science of fighting and winning, it is necessary to learn, as Lenin said.

[Ros 56]

A dozen - one and a half sensible snipers, they say, solve this problem. For what I bought, for that I sell it.

[svp67]

They concentrated superior forces on a narrow section of the front, which made it possible to achieve a high concentration of fire in the positions of entrenched units. As a result, the effectiveness of return fire was significantly reduced and the battle formations of the jihadists could move in almost linear formations, which from the side of an inexperienced observer seemed crazy, but inexplicably productive tactics.

The ideal action of the enemy ... for self-falling into a pre-prepared "fire bag" ... And it's good that the Syrian commanders learned how to organize it

[cat Rusich]

"Linear bulk" is an adequate answer: call art. support (120mm mortars, 122-152mm howitzers, MLRS ...), call an air strike (Su-25, Mi-24, Mi-28, Ka-50, Ka-52 ...). All that is needed is a spotter gunner and reliable communications in "strategic positions".

[Puhly67]

cats are impressed and no longer tear the sofa.

[aesculapius]

The war in Syria is not war, but mockery, just like in the Donbass. It should have been a long time already finished - a real modern war — bloody and fleeting

[Goshan]

This is what the Germans did in both world wars, so the white general Slashchev defended the Crimea from the Reds with a retreat to previously prepared positions.

[Ethnarchist]

In vain you are so Lord, if you count the paragraphs we get: introduction, main part, instructive part, conclusion! Everything is in place))

[Oleg133]

Sharing experience. I support the author

[Vladimir SHajkin]

"... fled as a result of a massive attack, unable to contain the bulk of the line order ... However, the militants skillfully used this. They concentrated superior forces on a narrow sector of the front, which made it possible to achieve a high concentration of fire on the positions of the entrenched subunit ... ".
CHE TA does not add up to me - militants, linear orders, in a narrow section of the front.
This is a tactic of warfare since 1914, and it was successful for the militants due to their large number, which in turn was organized and left Assad without help, which was also organized until Russia intervened.
Why did Russia intervene?
1. Russia has just emerged from the civil war in the North Caucasus, but this does not mean that it is all over.
2. other political opponents do not need to rise from the ashes, a strong Russia, they have their own interests and this is not a strong Russia.
3. very many residents migrated to the militant groups, both with Russian citizenship and neighboring CIS countries i.e. this is the future army, which went through combat coordination, gained combat experience.
4. the political regime that was created with the help of foreign capital is always dependent, and if Assad lost, then with a high degree of confidence we can say that the state created on the territory of his country
1. would lay oil and gas pipelines from Iraq, Kuwait, CA .... to Europe,
2. would enter into the necessary military alliance with Turkey and ....
there are always a lot of assumptions, but I think these are not at the very top

[Basarev]

Everything is much simpler. In order not to run from the bulk, you need to increase fire performance so that no numerical superiority plays a role. At least Shilok put in several batteries.

[Zadneprovets]

Everything new is well forgotten old.
Tactics to combat the superior enemy were tested in practice in our country in 1941 and in Vietnam during military operations with China. The experience of combating breaking through mechanized German units near Moscow is described in the book by A. Beck Volokolamsk Highway. There is a conversation between the commander of the general Panfilov and the battalion commander, at that time senior lieutenant Momysh-Ula about tactics of action against superior enemy forces and the practical actions of Panfilov’s units.
In the 60s, the Minister of Defense of the Cuban Republic, Raul Castro, specially organized a meeting with Momysh-Uly to discuss combat experience.
Here about the "spirals" of Momysh-Ula.
https://youtu.be/sIFfPXkpnhw