The court in The Hague demanded that Russia pay 50 billion in the Yukos case

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From the Netherlands, there was a message about a court decision in The Hague in a case commonly referred to as the "Yukos affair" or the "Khodorkovsky affair." We are talking about the decision of the so-called Court of Appeal, which noted the decision of another Dutch court.

This long-standing dispute is connected with the interests of, inter alia, foreign shareholders (former) of the Russian oil company. In 2014, the international arbitration court announced the decision that the Russian state is obliged to pay a large sum of money to Yukos shareholders. This amount was calculated in a number with 9 zeros - in dollars. After that decision, Russia appealed to the district court of the same Hague with a claim to annul the decision of the arbitration.



Then the judges of the district court issued a verdict in favor of Russia.

But now the Hague Court of Appeal has once again issued a verdict stating that "Russia has a big debt." The documents of the Court of Appeal featured an amount of 50 billion dollars (according to other sources - 50 billion euros). And the decision of the Hague District Court was recognized as a "mistake." It is the amount of 50 billion that requires Russia to pay the “former shareholders” the court of The Hague.

Russia has a legal opportunity to challenge this decision by appealing to the Supreme Court of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

It is worth noting that the decision of the court in The Hague, according to which tens of billions of dollars are required of Russia “in favor of Yukos shareholders,” was made at that time not by chance. Indeed, very soon a clause may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that Russian laws are recognized to prevail over international laws, and the latter will be executed only if they do not strike against Russia's interests.
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  1. +21
    18 February 2020 13: 27
    How smartly the Hague worked. So far, amendments to the constitution have not been adopted. Only this is unlikely to help.
    1. +12
      18 February 2020 13: 28
      pay $ 50 billion ...

      Muzzle will not crack?
      1. +10
        18 February 2020 13: 32
        Quote: dorz
        Muzzle will not crack?

        Who? Khodorkovsky?
        1. 0
          18 February 2020 13: 37
          It was necessary to make sure that this freak did not get out of prison! $ 50 billion, this is not weak for the country's budget) Khodorkovsky doesn’t care that if they pay, then this money will go away from pensioners, subsidies, sick, poor, state employees ..
          1. 0
            18 February 2020 13: 41
            Yes, no one will pay and do not worry
            1. -7
              18 February 2020 13: 47
              Why did it happen ?
              1. -7
                18 February 2020 13: 52
                Putin himself said when they first arrested
                1. +33
                  18 February 2020 13: 53
                  Putin - while I am president, we will not raise the retirement age
                  1. +13
                    18 February 2020 14: 18
                    This is not even the point. They will not pay according to a decision that has entered into legal force - arrests of Russian property abroad will begin.
                    1. -12
                      18 February 2020 14: 32
                      They will not pay according to a decision that has entered into legal force - arrests of Russian property abroad will begin.

                      Don't give a damn.
                      We have adopted a law on force impact, in which case, regardless of the location of the object in the world.
                      1. +22
                        18 February 2020 14: 36
                        But for some reason they preferred to pay three billions to Naftogaz, although it would seem that it is much easier to influence Ukraine by force than the Hague.
                      2. +27
                        18 February 2020 14: 39
                        But for some reason they preferred to pay three billion to Naftogaz Ukrainy, although it would seem that it is much easier to influence them by force than the Hague.

                        Spit.
                        Today you will give $ 50 billion to this Jew Hodor - so tomorrow they will demand $ 100 billion for the occupation of the Baltic states - or the arrest of property. If you pay for the Baltic states - they will demand $ 1 trillion for the occupation of Poland - or the seizure of property. And so they will milk forever.
                        Therefore, they do not care about their Wishlist from the word at all. These are all Jewish machinations.
                      3. +15
                        18 February 2020 14: 41
                        Well, and about the claims of Naftogaz, at first they wrote "spit", and then somehow they didn't really care ...
                      4. -24
                        18 February 2020 14: 42
                        Well, and about the claims of Naftogaz at first they wrote "do not care", and then somehow they did not really care.

                        Are you Jewish ? Judging by the dialogue, your mentality is female.
                      5. +21
                        18 February 2020 14: 44
                        Transition to individuals is a sure sign of essentially ended arguments.
                      6. -26
                        18 February 2020 14: 45
                        Transition to individuals is a sure sign of essentially ended arguments.

                        So women usually respond ....
                        I did not expect another answer))))
                      7. +16
                        18 February 2020 16: 06
                        It's disgusting to read the comments. As in the kindergarten "you are stupid, because I have nothing more to say." They are not capable of carrying on a dispute in a narrative manner. Only on the individual. SCAM!
                      8. 0
                        18 February 2020 15: 57
                        Yes, it’s beaten not in the passport, but in the face, so ...!
                      9. +1
                        18 February 2020 21: 34
                        Transition to individuals is a sure sign of essentially ended arguments.

                        Well, this is not uncommon, usually one or two, not even an argument, but opinions, then emotions in the best case. 21st century however)))))
                      10. +8
                        18 February 2020 15: 35
                        Do not confuse the dispute between private companies and the state. It is practically impossible to recover money from the state, since companies are not liable for the debts of their country. It seems like there is a debt, but it seems like you can paste the toilet over with the decisions of The Hague.
                      11. -2
                        18 February 2020 15: 38
                        It is realistic to recover money from anyone who has property that can be arrested. When property is under arrest, all these searches for the ends abruptly cease to be the plaintiff's problem and become the defendant's problem.
                      12. -2
                        18 February 2020 15: 51
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        who has property that can be arrested.

                        And if this is not?
                        I mean, there is property, but to arrest him is more expensive for himself.
                      13. -6
                        18 February 2020 16: 30
                        Quote: Spade
                        I mean, there is property, but to arrest him is more expensive for himself.
                        Then it "is more expensive for myself" is expressed in monetary form and recovered in the form of compensation for legal costs. Until they are canceled, the arrest is not lifted.
                      14. +2
                        18 February 2020 16: 33
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Then it is "more expensive"

                        No, “my own dear” means undermining one's own authority by arresting, for example, a visiting museum exposition. Or run into retaliation by seizing diplomatic property. Americans are aware.

                        Once again, Russia’s property will have to be arrested. States. Not firms, not private individuals, namely the state.
                        It seems that here they are not particularly aware.
                      15. -3
                        18 February 2020 16: 41
                        Quote: Spade
                        it means undermining your own authority
                        Sorry, this is not serious. The authority will only be undermined by the Russian media audience, and in this audience the authority of the jurisdictions in which the Yukos shareholders are located is not very large.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Or run into retaliatory measures
                        Well then, the one with the more and more friendly arrestor will win.
                      16. +2
                        18 February 2020 17: 36
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Sorry, this is not serious.

                        For you, maybe.
                        In general, the state’s non-fulfillment of its own guarantees, to put it mildly, reduces such a state to a sub-base level.
                        They spread rot, they are turned off from the international exhibition process, such insurers give out wild rates.

                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Well then, the one with the more and more friendly arrestor will win.

                        Do they need it?
                        Violate international law and lose property for the sake of Russian thieves ... +
                      17. +2
                        18 February 2020 18: 01
                        Quote: Spade
                        In general, the state’s non-fulfillment of its own guarantees, to put it mildly, reduces such a state to a sub-base level.
                        This is your subjective opinion. For other people, it may be different.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Do they need it?
                        It’s necessary, because if it turns out that you can’t give a damn about the decisions of the Hague court, and there’s nothing for you, then next time no one will execute the decisions of the Hague court. The principle of inevitability.
                      18. 0
                        18 February 2020 18: 10
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        This is your subjective opinion.

                        This is reality.
                        And in accordance with this reality, our calmly transported and carry cultural property through exhibitions.
                        Despite all these "Legs", "Yukos" and others.

                        And any judicial attacks ended in zilch.
                        Nobody wants to become an outcast.
                        After all, nobody will be lucky in such a country. Generally. And not a single insurer will insure such an exhibition.

                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        It’s necessary, because if it turns out that the decisions of the Hague court can not be spit

                        Everyone has been spitting on him for a long time. Some are especially savory, like Americans. They do not just refuse to comply, they threaten sanctions.
                      19. -1
                        18 February 2020 18: 16
                        Quote: Spade
                        Despite all these "Legs"
                        Here's a great example. The oligarchs had to buy out the debts to Noga so that the seizures of property would stop.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Everyone has been spitting on him for a long time.
                        Well, let's see how he spits on him in the suit of the Yukos shareholders, just as successfully as in the suit of Naftogaz, or is it still more successful.
                      20. +1
                        18 February 2020 18: 26
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Here's a great example. The oligarchs had to buy out the debts to Noga so that the seizures of property would stop.

                        Maybe you should not compose fairy tales? Especially considering that we are on the Internet ...


                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Well, let's see how he spits on him at the suit of the Yukos shareholders,

                        Well, the lawsuit didn’t give a damn about the suit.
                        And nothing...
                        They themselves must have remained.
                      21. 0
                        18 February 2020 18: 28
                        In March 2006, an American businessman of Russian origin Alex Kogan bought from French banks BNP Paribas and Credit Lyonnais, as well as the Swiss Banque cantonale de Genève [fr] Russian debt to Noga for a total of about $ 70 million, [7] which in December 2007 years he bought the Ministry of Finance of Russia. [8]
                      22. 0
                        18 February 2020 18: 35
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        In March 2006, an American businessman of Russian origin Alex Kogan bought from French banks BNP Paribas and Credit Lyonnais, as well as the Swiss Banque cantonale de Genève [fr] Russian debt to Noga for a total of about $ 70 million, [7] which in December 2007 years he bought the Ministry of Finance of Russia. [8]

                        Once again, we are on the Internet.
                        there is a huge difference between 70 million and 1.5 billion.
                      23. 0
                        18 February 2020 18: 38
                        OK, I will not insist, I have not studied this case, I have just heard out of my ear that a "businessman of Russian origin" has bought out the promissory notes. Then Russia has a hope not to pay $ 50bn, so we'll see.
                      24. 0
                        19 February 2020 09: 32
                        Quote: Spade
                        Maybe you should not compose fairy tales? Especially considering that we are on the Internet

                        you are probably missing one very important detail
                        In 2008, Noga's lawyers tried in Swiss courts to seek recognition of an agreement signed in 2002 with a Swiss lawyer Martin Schwartz, who allegedly acted on behalf of the Russian government, according to which Russia pledged to pay $ 800 million and interest on debt. The point in this litigation was put by the Swiss Federal Court
                        in December 2008 (the decision was made public in January 2009. The court upheld the decisions of the lower court and the International Arbitration Court, also obliging Noga to reimburse the court costs to the court and Russia for a total of 210 thousand francs. [1] [12] [13] ]

                        Although Noga was ultimately defeated in a long-standing judicial conflict with Russia, at the same time, according to the Russian press, since 1991, it has received about $ 680 million from Russia under previously concluded contracts.

                        The foot lost the courts.
                        Nevertheless, a portion of the compensation for previous claims is eligible.
                        I repeat once again - the LEG has lost the courts.
                        YUKOS - for today won.
                        A big difference, as they say in Odessa.
                      25. 0
                        19 February 2020 09: 43
                        Quote: Arpad
                        The foot lost the courts.

                        Yeah. And went broke. And the owner was evicted from the hotel

                        And the beginning of all this was a victory in court
                        What hints laughing laughing laughing

                        Quote: Arpad
                        YUKOS - for today won.

                        "Leg" also "won" at the moment "And more than once. Which again hints ...
                      26. +1
                        19 February 2020 11: 01
                        Quote: Spade
                        "Leg" also "won" at the moment "And more than once. Which again hints

                        when Leg won the courts, it received compensation. at the time of appeal and loss - compensation ceased.
                        The leg managed to get about 680 million dollars.
                        I do not quite understand your comment.
                        To date, Yukos has won and will begin to recover debts. what will happen tomorrow - time will tell.
                        today's realities are such that Yukos shareholders are required to return 50 billion.
                      27. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 02
                        Quote: Arpad
                        when Leg won the courts - received compensation

                        Lying is bad.
                        And lying on the Internet is also stupid
                      28. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 22
                        Quote: Spade
                        Lying is bad.
                        And lying on the Internet is also stupid

                        were you banned in google?
                        Although Noga was ultimately defeated in a long-standing judicial conflict with Russia, at the same time, according to the Russian press, since 1991, it has received about $ 680 million from Russia under previously concluded contracts.
                      29. +1
                        19 February 2020 09: 26
                        Quote: Spade
                        Once again, Russia’s property will have to be arrested. States. Not firms

                        just look at the list and understand that the dispute is at least not appropriate here
                        https://mai.ru/events/irf/ip/list_companies.php
                        List of state-owned companies
                        APPROVED
                        decision of the Government Commission
                        on high technology and innovation
                        dated August 3, 2010, protocol No. 4

                        П Е Р Е Ч Е Н Ь
                        joint-stock companies with state participation, state corporations, federal
                        state unitary enterprises.

                        Company name

                        Federal executive authority (branch agency)

                        SC Rosatom

                        GK "Russian Technologies"

                        Mipromtorg of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "RusHydro"

                        Ministry of Energy of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Federal Grid Company of the Unified Energy System"

                        Ministry of Energy of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Holding IDGC"

                        Ministry of Energy of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Oil Company" Rosneft "

                        Ministry of Energy of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Gazprom"

                        Ministry of Energy of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Joint Stock Company for Transport

                        oil "Transneft"

                        Ministry of Energy of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "RAO Energy Systems of the East"

                        Ministry of Energy of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Aeroflot - Russian Airlines"

                        Ministry of Transport of Russia

                        Joint Stock Company "United Aircraft Corporation"

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Modern Commercial Fleet" ("Sovcomflot")

                        Ministry of Transport of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Russian Railways"

                        Ministry of Transport of Russia

                        Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern Open Joint Stock Company

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

                        Joint Stock Company "United Shipbuilding Corporation"

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Corporation" Tactical Missile Weapons "

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Avtovaz"

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Military-Industrial Corporation" Scientific and Production Association of Mechanical Engineering "

                        Roskosmos

                        Open Joint Stock Company Rocket and Space Corporation Energia named after SP. Korolev

                        Roskosmos

                        FSUE "GKNPTs named after M.V. Khrunichev"

                        Roskosmos

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Investment Company of Communications"

                        Ministry of Communications of Russia

                        Closed Joint Stock Company "Joint Stock Company" Alrosa "

                        Ministry of Finance of Russia

                        Group 2 - companies for which monitoring the development and implementation of innovative development programs is implemented by federal executive bodies

                        Company name

                        Federal executive authority (branch agency)

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Concern of Radio Engineering" Vega "

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

                        Joint Stock Company "Concern" Sozvezdie "

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Concern" Marine Underwater Weapons - Gidropribor "

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Center for Shipbuilding and Ship Repair Technology"

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Concern" Scientific and Production Association "Aurora"

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Corporation" Roskhimzashita "

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Concern" Oceanpribor "

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Concern" Morinformsistema - Agat "

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

                        Open Joint-Stock Company "Scientific and Production Corporation" Uralvagonzavod "named after F.E.Dzerzhinsky"

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Information Satellite Systems" named after Academician MF Reshetnev "

                        Roskosmos

                        Open Joint Stock Company "NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko"

                        Roskosmos

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Novorossiysk Commercial Sea Port"

                        Ministry of Transport of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Murmansk Commercial Sea Port"

                        Ministry of Transport of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Koltsovo Airport"

                        Ministry of Transport of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "SG-Trans"

                        Ministry of Transport of Russia

                        FSUE "Rosmorport"

                        Ministry of Transport of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Sheremetyevo International Airport"

                        Ministry of Transport of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "System Operator of the Unified Energy System"

                        Ministry of Energy of Russia

                        Irkutsk Open Joint-Stock Company of Energy and Electrification

                        Ministry of Energy of Russia

                        FSUE "Space Communication"

                        Ministry of Communications of Russia

                        FSUE "Russian Post"

                        Ministry of Communications of Russia

                        FSUE "Russian television and radio broadcasting network"

                        Ministry of Communications of Russia

                        Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Scientific and Production Association for Medical Immunobiological Preparations" Microgen "

                        Ministry of Health and Social Development of Russia

                        Open Joint Stock Company "Oboronservice"

                        Ministry of Defense of Russia

                        Open joint-stock company "United Industrial Corporation" Oboronprom "

                        Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia
                      30. 0
                        19 February 2020 09: 32
                        Quote: Arpad
                        just look at the list and understand that the dispute is at least not appropriate here

                        I looked. The list has nothing to do with the dispute.
                      31. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 04
                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Arpad
                        just look at the list and understand that the dispute is at least not appropriate here

                        I looked. The list has nothing to do with the dispute.

                        Looking as it has. shareholders have the right to seize the property of the defendant (i.e., the state property of Russia) - these enterprises and companies, as well as their assets, are the property of Russia.
                        OR DO YOU HAVE DOUBTS IN THIS?
                        OR DO YOU THINK. THAT THE PROPERTY IS ONLY THAT IS IN THE BORDERS OF RUSSIA. KREMLIN AND MAUSOLEUM?
                      32. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 11
                        Quote: Arpad
                        Looking as it has. shareholders have the right to seize the property of the defendant

                        8)))))))))))))))
                        It remains to convince the shareholders to give a damn about their own profit ...
                        You are waiting !!!!
                        laughing laughing laughing
                      33. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 29
                        Quote: Spade
                        8)))))))))))))))
                        It remains to convince the shareholders to give a damn about their own profit ...

                        benefit to whom?
                        As a shareholder of YUKOS, I absolutely do not give a damn about the income of Russia as a shareholder of Rosneft.
                        You probably never invested in the stock exchange and for you the situation with the seizure of part of the company's shares (belonging to a large shareholder) is not a real case.
                        I will disappoint you.
                        This happens quite often.
                        But it is not strange in connection with elementary divorce proceedings.
                        For example, during the divorce proceedings, part of Bezos’s shares in Amazon, before a court decision regarding the division of property between him and his wife, were arrested. and then moved to the former half.
                        After the news of the arrest of Bezos shares. Amazon shares fell nearly 6%.
                        The court does not give a damn about the shareholders and their income. like Bezos’s wife. But it didn’t give a damn.
                        ]
                        Quote: Spade
                        You are waiting !!!!

                        Do not be stupid, pick up the materiel.
                      34. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 33
                        Quote: Arpad
                        benefit to whom?

                        For example, how are you going to force BP to arrest the property of Rosneft? Incurring losses
                        You yourself wrote about "shareholders have the right to seize property"

                        Quote: Arpad
                        Do not be stupid, pick up the materiel.

                        Gold words. Tell them while looking in the mirror
                        laughing laughing laughing
                      35. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 40
                        Quote: Spade
                        For example, how are you going to force BP to arrest the property of Rosneft? Incurring losses

                        I don’t get it. and what is the relationship with BP?
                        What are you pulling the owl on the globe?
                        You still mention Sechin.
                        And why are you attached to / Rosneft?
                        Russia has enough property and state corporations which or parts of which can be arrested.
                        Rosatom. eg wink
                        I brought a little list there.
                      36. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 48
                        Quote: Arpad
                        I don’t get it. and what is the relationship with BP

                        In fact, BP is one of the owners of Rosneft
                        But the fact that you "did not understand, but what is the connection" .... it does not surprise me. After the Hague court in Switzerland.
                      37. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 50
                        Quote: Arpad
                        Rosatom. eg

                        The most beautiful example.
                        I would like to see how Turkey will seize the property of Rosatom ...
                      38. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 13
                        Quote: Arpad
                        OR DO YOU THINK. THAT THE PROPERTY IS ONLY THAT IS IN THE BORDERS OF RUSSIA. KREMLIN AND MAUSOLEUM?

                        Or do you think that over so many years of sanctions Russia has left unprotected property abroad ?????
                        laughing laughing laughing
                      39. +1
                        19 February 2020 11: 32
                        Quote: Spade
                        Or do you think that over so many years of sanctions Russia has left unprotected property abroad ?????

                        protected how? How can you protect the stake in Rosneft at the New York auction. London or any other exchange?
                        PMC Wagner imagine them? Or stop selling them?
                      40. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 36
                        Quote: Arpad
                        protected how?

                        Diplomatic immunity, guarantees of the host state, corporatization.

                        Quote: Arpad
                        How can you protect the stake in Rosneft at the New York auction. London or any other exchange?

                        You yourself answered your question and did not notice.
                        "Shares". Do you know what this word means?
                      41. +1
                        19 February 2020 11: 51
                        Quote: Spade
                        Diplomatic immunity, guarantees of the host state, corporatization.

                        Shovels, the nonsense is better to talk about artillery and do not meddle in finances.
                        How to protect stocks - diplomatic immunity belay
                        Shovels that smoke?

                        Quote: Spade
                        You yourself answered your question and did not notice.
                        "Shares". Do you know what this word means?

                        of course I know
                        you will not be able to put them up for auction, therefore they will disappear from the circulation of liquid assets of the enterprise. Therefore, they will not be able to act as a guarantor during the loan and be a providing tool.
                        Consequently, they simply turn into worthless paper.
                        You can’t sell them, exchange them or pledge them.
                        This is when they are under arrest.
                        Of course, it is clear that Yukos shareholders will not be able to get anything from these shares. but...
                        you will not be able to conduct any business activity; you have actually froze money inside the company, and even more interestingly - right to vote, tk your stake in the company. it seems like it’s not really yours anymore.
                        What will happen after that.
                        Private shareholders of this company will behave like?
                        most likely they will just throw off the vaccines and run away.
                        The stock price will plummet. capitalization will decrease. business activity will freeze, etc., etc.
                        Output ? you yourself will seek a compromise. otherwise the company will go bankrupt. Yes, Yukos shareholders will not receive money from this company (by the way, you will not have any money left). Well, they will proceed to seize the property of other companies - the list is long.
                        you probably an example of Naftogaz - not an example?
                        From a legal point of view and the consequences are the same. only the amounts are different.
                      42. -1
                        19 February 2020 11: 58
                        Quote: Arpad
                        Shovels, the nonsense is better to talk about artillery and do not meddle in finances.
                        How to protect stocks - diplomatic immunity belay
                        Shovels that smoke?

                        Do you know only one type of property - shares?
                        This is very, very sad ...

                        Quote: Arpad
                        you will not be able to put them up for auction, therefore they will disappear from the circulation of liquid assets of the enterprise. Therefore, they will not be able to act as a guarantor during the loan and be a providing tool.

                        Hooray!!!!!
                        And how many billions of shareholders will shake for such actions through the court?

                        For example, the aforementioned Rosneft. Who will pay 138 thousand shareholders, including such large ones as BP (19,7% of shares)
                      43. +1
                        19 February 2020 11: 39
                        In 17, the accounts of Roscosmos in France were arrested without any problems, the arrest was removed only because the appeal began. Having property abroad is not a whim, but a necessity for those who conduct foreign economic activities. You can reliably "protect yourself" only by turning into the DPRK.
                      44. -1
                        19 February 2020 11: 46
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        In 17, the accounts of Roscosmos in France were arrested without any problems, the arrest was removed

                        Q.E.D. How they removed the arrest from other property and funds.

                        Well, under what pretext is the tenth thing.
                      45. +2
                        19 February 2020 09: 23
                        Quote: Spade
                        And if this is not?
                        I mean, there is property, but it’s more expensive to arrest him

                        Well, arrest is not expensive. compared with a bun of 50 billion.
                        Yes, and the court’s decision will have to be implemented.
                        You can invest in anything where there is a proven part of state property, well, let's start at least Rosneft, it is actually Yukos, you say that Rosneft has no assets abroad?
                      46. -1
                        19 February 2020 09: 40
                        Quote: Arpad
                        well, arrest is not expensive

                        Very expensive. Not in monetary terms ... You, apparently, do not quite understand what it is about.


                        Quote: Arpad
                        Well, let's start at least Rosneft

                        Easily.
                        After the arrest, shareholders like British BP or the Swiss-Qatari QHG Oil Ventures sue and win billions.
                        And Russia, using the incident as a precedent, is beginning to seize property of firms related to the country that announced the arrest.

                        What a lovely prospect .... and the arrest is filmed with great financial costs.
                      47. +2
                        19 February 2020 09: 47
                        Quote: Spade
                        Easily.
                        After the arrest, shareholders like British BP or the Swiss-Qatari QHG Oil Ventures sue and win billions.

                        why did you decide that you win?
                        Moreover, you understand that not the whole company is arrested, but Russian assets in the company.
                        Quote: Spade
                        begin to seize property of firms related to the country that announced the arrest.

                        who will start arresting?
                      48. -1
                        19 February 2020 09: 54
                        Quote: Arpad
                        why did you decide that you win?

                        And why did you decide that you can seize someone else’s property without consequences?
                        Do BP shareholders have anything to do with what happened to Yukos?
                        No. And they are "punished with a dollar" And they have the full moral and legal right to punish the outlaws.

                        Quote: Arpad
                        who will start arresting?

                        Russia.
                        For example, Shell property
                      49. +1
                        19 February 2020 11: 16
                        Quote: Spade
                        And why did you decide that you can seize someone else’s property without consequences?

                        THIS IS WHAT THE SWISS COURT SAID. About the confiscation of Yukos. and shareholder money
                        Quote: Spade
                        Do BP shareholders have anything to do with what happened to Yukos?

                        of course not . this is exactly what the Swiss court said in relation to the private shareholders of Yukos.
                        Quote: Spade
                        ... And they are "punished with a dollar"

                        You probably didn’t understand the difference. Sorry .
                        I repeat.
                        Russia confiscated all of Yukos, including the money of private investors in the joint-stock company Yukos.
                        In Rosneft (when seizing assets) only Russian property will be arrested, this arrest will not affect other investors.
                        All Rosneft will not be arrested, only the Russian share in it.
                        I clearly explained?
                      50. -1
                        19 February 2020 11: 30
                        Quote: Arpad
                        of course not . this is exactly what the Swiss court said in relation to the private shareholders of Yukos.

                        So what's the problem?
                        Arrest is not possible, as required

                        Quote: Arpad
                        I clearly explained?

                        There is a concrete mixer bought by three people for a bucket. You arrest her for the debts of one of them on alimony.
                        Tell us how and by whose money you are going to compensate the cost of property and the lost profit to the other two owners.
                        Who will be responsible for the illegal seizure of property from these two people?

                        I clearly ask?
                      51. +1
                        19 February 2020 11: 57
                        Quote: Spade
                        So what's the problem?
                        Arrest is not possible, as required

                        strange interpretation of my words. belay
                        For those in the tank. so that there would be no discrepancies - it is possible and even very simple to arrest part of the shares.
                        Quote: Spade
                        Tell us how and by whose money you are going to compensate the cost of property and the lost profit to the other two owners.

                        not going to. this is none of my business.
                        Companions can file a private lawsuit against their partner because of which they lost money.
                        Lapotov. You are monstrously monstrously far from the world of finance.
                        I’ll ask you one question, you (as an example) invested in Lehman Brothers shares, and he took it and went bankrupt --- to whom will you sue? wink
                      52. -1
                        19 February 2020 12: 04
                        Quote: Arpad
                        For those in the tank. so that there would be no discrepancies - it is possible and even very simple to arrest part of the shares.

                        For those who are in the tank, there is not a single stock owned by Russia on the exchanges.
                        laughing laughing laughing

                        Quote: Arpad
                        not going to. this is none of my business.

                        laughing laughing laughing
                        "A person can be launched into space without any rockets. And how this will be done is none of my business ...."


                        Quote: Arpad
                        Lapotov. You are monstrously monstrously far from the world of finance.

                        But I know that Russian-owned shares of Rosneft do not go public, and The Hague is located in the Netherlands.
                        So it looks like you are even further from this "world of finance"
                      53. +1
                        19 February 2020 12: 23
                        Quote: Spade
                        For those who are in the tank, there is not a single stock owned by Russia on the exchanges.

                        Shovels. do not drive
                        Gazprom is the largest joint-stock company in Russia. The total number of accounts on which 23 Gazprom shares are accounted for exceeds 673 thousand. The state controls more than 50% of the Company's shares.

                        You want to say that Gazprom shares are not traded on the stock exchange?
                        Or did Russia imitate shares (at the initial listing on the stock exchange) without belonging to some legal entity?
                        Shovels. probably worth ending this useless conversation.
                        You argue even not at the amateur level, but somewhat lower
                        Quote: Spade
                        But I know that Russian-owned Rosneft shares do not go public.

                        belay
                        You believe that stocks must be traded (your package) at any given time.
                        I hold shares in many enterprises, I do not trade them. but I have them and this is a financial obligation that acts as a guarantee of my liquidity. This is just paper (until I sold it). it is not money. but it is a financial obligation.
                        which i can
                        1. To sell
                        2.Pledge
                        3. give
                        4. take a loan under this.
                        Upon arrest - she turns into a zilch.
                        you cannot sell them. those get cash
                        you can’t give a pledge.
                        If they are mortgaged - the bank will require a new pledge from you because this one does not have collateral.
                        They can be confiscated if they are in a bank in the territory of the court’s jurisdiction.
                        You yourself will seek a compromise because there will be no money, and you will have the same. Yukos shareholders do not already have them, now you are in the same company laughing
                        the only difference is. that YUKOS has a long list of whom they can fuck (in the normal sense of the word 0. and you have only one way out - to agree.
                        Quote: Spade
                        and The Hague is located in the Netherlands.

                        sorry. I thought you were still talking about Leg.
                        But the piano does not play.
                        My comment is relevant. by decision of whose court a decision would not be made in favor of Yukos,
                        Of course, it is valid in the jurisdiction zone of this court, i.e., except for the territory of Russia. Syria or, say, S. Korea. laughing
                        But how will this help Russian state-owned companies present or conducting trade with Europe?
                      54. 0
                        19 February 2020 12: 41
                        Quote: Arpad
                        You want to say that Gazprom shares are not traded on the stock exchange?

                        Traded. Moreover, none of the bottom belongs to Russia.

                        Is it really that hard ?????

                        Quote: Arpad
                        You argue even not at the amateur level, but somewhat lower

                        Exactly.
                        Directly golden words. "Not at the level of an amateur, but even lower"
                        Entirely and completely related to those who declare the possibility of arresting stocks owned by Russia on the stock exchange
                        Not just "even lower" A "still much, much lower"


                        Quote: Arpad
                        My comment is relevant. by decision of whose court a decision would not be made in favor of Yukos,

                        laughing laughing laughing
                        Your answer is nonsense.
                        And it is impossible to seize the property of a joint stock company without violating the rights of all shareholders except one.
                        So no one will do it. At the risk of running into counterclaims and huge losses on them.
                        Once again, for those very far from the topic.
                        Rosneft has 50% of shares not belongs to Russia
                        Gazprom has 49% of shares not belongs to Russia.
                        And so on.
                      55. +1
                        19 February 2020 11: 35
                        Quote: Spade
                        Russia.
                        For example, Shell property

                        Please adjudicate and arrest dutch Shell, a private company, and its property in Russia due to a court decision Switzerland at the suit of the Yukos shareholders.
                        good
                        Shovels. stop writing nonsense. in Russia, of course, there are enough stupid people. but it’s too much.
                      56. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 44
                        Quote: Arpad
                        Please adjudicate and arrest Shell Dutch private company

                        After the arrest of the international private company Rosneft? Easy, given the precedent

                        .
                        Quote: Arpad
                        due to a court decision in Switzerland

                        Is the Hague in Switzerland? Did not know. We need to learn geography.
                        laughing laughing laughing
                        Burning more.
                      57. +2
                        19 February 2020 09: 20
                        Quote: Victor Sergeev
                        Do not confuse the dispute between private companies and the state. Collecting money from the state is practically impossible

                        Of course it’s real.
                        There are state. property abroad, there are state corporations, etc. etc.
                        Quote: Victor Sergeev
                        It seems like there is a debt, but it seems like you can paste the toilet over with the Hague decisions.

                        alas you can’t glue it.
                      58. +2
                        18 February 2020 17: 54
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Well, and about the claims of Naftogaz, at first they wrote "spit", and then somehow they didn't really care ...

                        because they bent on transit ... so we decided to make concessions in court !!! wink
                        PS ... but, I think, it was not worth them to make concessions and give 3,5 lard !!! am
                      59. +1
                        18 February 2020 21: 30
                        Well, and about the claims of Naftogaz, at first they wrote "spit", and then somehow they didn't really care ...

                        Well, show off, it was understandable, they put pressure on Ukraine, like Trump does not support you, so the USA will not support you in the courts, and if you lose it will be even worse, you counted on Russian psychology and mentality, plus European lawyers sang songs to Gazprom, which for 100 million dollars they will solve issues in the courts.
                        result
                        - Trump Trump, and the American business interests are Congress and senators, they have no less power. Yes, and Trump for any booze for profit.
                        -European courts, like the government against the US colossus, were helpless, are and will be, but Russia should be shod with 100 lards and there will be no need to sue.

                        And to be honest, I don’t know how to protect Russian interests and business in Europe, the forces are not equal. But as it should, this is a task for the next 10 years.
                      60. +1
                        18 February 2020 15: 47
                        Oh they demand to give stolen yukos, how cute.
                      61. 0
                        19 February 2020 04: 08
                        hi Good day! Here, in fact, we are discussing how the thief stole from the thief and who owes whom to now. Yukos was once a more loyally socially minded company than Rosneft is now. But Rosneft is partly a state-owned company and no matter whose pocket it is currently working on, the government will be more useless in the future for it. And in the 90s they took everyone who could. And yes, I in no way defend either side smile
                      62. 0
                        18 February 2020 15: 50
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        But for some reason they preferred to pay three billion to Naftogaz,

                        That is precisely why the West wants new Wishlist and new amounts.
                        Quote: Victor Sergeev
                        Do not confuse the dispute between private companies and the state

                      63. -1
                        18 February 2020 16: 35
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        But for some reason they preferred to pay three billions to Naftogaz, although it would seem that it is much easier to influence Ukraine by force than the Hague.

                        And who paid did not tell me?
                      64. +1
                        18 February 2020 21: 13
                        But for some reason they preferred to pay three billion to Naftogaz

                        That private companies, they have stocks, property can be arrested. But the state does not have ownership over the hill, but just in case we are from the state. Fed bonds were refused and reduced their presence in these securities by 10 times. I think because the trial in The Hague is not the last. .
                        But I am afraid that the practice of court decisions against private companies to rely on euro lard has just begun and unfortunately we are being squeezed out of the markets. We will not pay the seizure of assets, if they are sold to foreigners - loss of control and profit.
                        Gazprom, and so on, is selling its entire asset (shares up to 50%) so that there are no such decisions, but as we see, it is still necessary to prepare for the most difficult options.
                      65. 0
                        18 February 2020 21: 19
                        But for some reason they preferred to pay three billion to Naftogaz

                        By the way, if you recall, the United States has been conducting this practice of judicial decisions for the past 10 years, not only in relation to Russian companies.
                        Remember-
                        - fines against BMW and Volkswagen for emissions there are some, also several billion dollars
                        - 3 billion French bank for transactions dubious with the Saudis.
                        - Against Chinese Hawey generally thrash
                        - against Samsung a few lards (in favor of the apple)
                        and much more.
                    2. +7
                      18 February 2020 15: 41
                      Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                      This is not even the point. They will not pay according to a decision that has entered into legal force - arrests of Russian property abroad will begin.

                      Well, if the amendments enter into force, then you can just say that they say that we respect the decision of your court, but nevertheless we will fight it. That's what the United States is doing.
                      1. -4
                        18 February 2020 16: 34
                        And to wipe the arrested foreign property?
                      2. 0
                        18 February 2020 17: 11
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        the wiped out foreign property also wipe?

                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        the wiped out foreign property also wipe?

                        And on what rights will they arrest him? You were told that, in addition to the priority of the national constitution, the decision of the Court in The Hague can be recommended, but not binding. The United States also recommends implementation, but since there is a priority of national legislation, they put a bolt on all the recommendations and nobody arrests anything.
                      3. -1
                        18 February 2020 17: 13
                        Quote: tomket
                        And on what rights will they arrest him?
                        Based on the decision of the Hague court.
                        Quote: tomket
                        In addition to the priority of the national constitution, the decision of the Court in The Hague may be recommended, but not binding.
                        ... in the territory of the Russian Federation.
                      4. +1
                        19 February 2020 09: 35
                        Quote: tomket
                        You were told that, in view of the priority of the national constitution, the decision of the Court in The Hague can be recommended, but not binding

                        On Russian territory.
                        And they are obligatory for execution - on their territory.
                        Outside of Russia there is no state property?
                        Are state corporations not traded on exchanges?
                      5. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 17
                        That's exactly the difference in the weight category that the United States puts a bolt and they do not Dare to arrest against them, and we do not have such pressure
                      6. +1
                        19 February 2020 11: 21
                        Quote: Revival
                        That's exactly the difference in the weight category that the United States puts a bolt and they do not Dare to arrest against them

                        You can give an example of at least one lawsuit.
                        I'm not talking about the fact that I for example do not know at all whether there is such a thing in the USA as a state corporation.
                    3. -2
                      18 February 2020 15: 48
                      Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                      Russia has a legal opportunity to challenge this decision by appealing to the Supreme Court of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

                      Russia has a legal opportunity to challenge this decision by appealing to the Supreme Court of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

                      While the essence and the matter, amendments to the Constitution will be adopted.
                      1. +2
                        18 February 2020 16: 45
                        Those who go to seize property will not read what is written about this in the Russian Constitution. This is some kind of wild naivety, to think that if you managed to shout "I'm in the house!", Then nothing can be done with you.
                      2. +2
                        18 February 2020 17: 37
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Those who go to seize property will not read what is written about this in the Russian Constitution. This is some kind of wild naivety, to think that if you managed to shout "I'm in the house!", Then nothing can be done with you.

                        The US Constitution has already spelled out the predominant role of US laws before international law.
                        What do you think will go to seize US property in lawsuits of other states?
                      3. +2
                        18 February 2020 17: 55
                        I don’t know, I didn’t google precedents. But the property of Iran, despite the fact that Iran was not obligated to comply with international law, is arrested without question.
                      4. 0
                        18 February 2020 18: 13
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        I don’t know, I didn’t google precedents. But the property of Iran, despite the fact that Iran was not obligated to comply with international law, is arrested without question.

                        The fact is that the United States is so spelled out in the Constitution, and no one dares to test this in practice.
                        In Russia, the Constitution adopted the predominant international law. She is obliged to fulfill it.
                        After the adoption of amendments to the Constitution, Russia will take off its bonds.
                        If you solve this serious issue, then there is confidence that it will be so.
                        The assertiveness of modern Russia has been demonstrated in Georgia, Syria, Venezuela and a number of African countries. Those who still consider Russia a "banana republic" are hopelessly behind the times. hi
                      5. 0
                        18 February 2020 18: 20
                        Iran did not bind itself with bonds. Did it help him greatly from property arrests?
                      6. +1
                        18 February 2020 18: 32
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Iran did not bind itself with bonds. Did it help him greatly from property arrests?

                        It's not about Iran. Although Iran has already shown its "muscles" to the United States.
                        You want to convince me with your posts that Russia will not be able to defend its interests after the adoption of amendments to the Constitution. What I do not agree with you.
                      7. 0
                        18 February 2020 18: 34
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        It's not about Iran.
                        It’s true, the question is how much the refusal to comply with international law saves from the arrest of foreign property. The example of Iran shows that it does not save.
                      8. 0
                        18 February 2020 18: 40
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        It's not about Iran.
                        It’s true, the question is how much the refusal to comply with international law saves from the arrest of foreign property. The example of Iran shows that it does not save.

                        Do not put Russia and Iran on one step.
                      9. -1
                        18 February 2020 18: 54
                        This is yes.
                        Russia has not yet decided to shell rockets at American bases.
                      10. 0
                        19 February 2020 10: 31
                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        This is yes.
                        Russia has not yet decided to shell rockets at American bases.

                        You have "ironclad arguments".
                      11. +1
                        19 February 2020 09: 37
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        You want to convince me with your posts that Russia will not be able to defend its interests after the adoption of amendments to the Constitution.

                        of course it can. In a court.
                      12. +1
                        19 February 2020 09: 36
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        The US Constitution has already spelled out the predominant role of US laws before international law.

                        Seriously ? Can I link to the corresponding article?
                      13. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 19
                        There is no us, but we are not us, unfortunately
                      14. 0
                        19 February 2020 11: 19
                        Exactly))
                        And you might think, they honor our constitution and their hands will drop)))
                      15. +2
                        18 February 2020 18: 29
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        While the essence and the matter, amendments to the Constitution will be adopted.

                        and without them no one will pay !! wink
                      16. +2
                        18 February 2020 18: 38
                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        While the essence and the matter, amendments to the Constitution will be adopted.

                        and without them no one will pay !! wink

                        I think so too. But "Vyacheslav Viktorovich" is persistently trying to convince me that Russia will be overlaid with red flags like a wolf. hi
                      17. +3
                        18 February 2020 19: 14
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        While the essence and the matter, amendments to the Constitution will be adopted.

                        and without them no one will pay !! wink

                        I think so too. But "Vyacheslav Viktorovich" is persistently trying to convince me that Russia will be overlaid with red flags like a wolf. hi

                        you listen to them less ... the vast majority of local commentators live in their fictional little world !!! wink laughing
                      18. 0
                        19 February 2020 09: 38
                        Quote: Vladimir_6
                        But "Vyacheslav Viktorovich" is persistently trying to convince me that Russia will be overlaid like a wolf with red flags

                        Well, Naftogaz / Of course you are not a prime example.
                        By the way, the next lawsuit from Naftogaz for the confiscation of property in the Crimea for 8 billion. also extremely promising.
                    4. gel
                      +1
                      18 February 2020 16: 41
                      You can answer symmetrically. The Dutch also take one place. Yes, and they are afraid to arrest something.
                      1. -4
                        18 February 2020 16: 46
                        It will be necessary to answer not only the Netherlands, but all the states that recognized this court decision and seized Russian property at their respective request.
                2. +5
                  18 February 2020 14: 03
                  Yes, he not only said that ..
                  Please treat with understanding, not everyone can keep their word
                  1. 0
                    18 February 2020 15: 34
                    I remember that the "believers" in Roskomnadzor rode and sang
                    Come on Russia,
                    Come on, come on,
                    Come on beautiful
                    Come on, come on.
                    Come on Russia,
                    Come on, come on,
                    Come on beautiful
                    Come on, come on,
                    Come on, come on, come on!

                    So, what is the sacred meaning, it turns out. winked
              2. +4
                18 February 2020 15: 07
                Quote: Kronos
                Why did it happen ?

                Well, for example, since they have not been paying for 10 years already. didn't you notice?
                Hodor began to demand money as he dumped abroad, but so far he has not received anything, and his foreign "shareholders" laughing
                1. -12
                  18 February 2020 15: 44
                  So the courts went and now the decision is made
                  1. +2
                    18 February 2020 15: 52
                    Quote: Kronos
                    So the courts went and now the decision is made

                    Have you read the article?
            2. +26
              18 February 2020 13: 51
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              Yes, no one will pay and do not worry

              Money was transferred to Naftogaz in a week. Although before that all our officials "swore by their mother" that they would not pay anything. I mean, never say never. Purely theoretically, the court, in order to collect the debt, can seize the oil supplied by Russia to the EU. The mechanism for breeding suckers in the West has long been worked out. Where is Muamarr Gaddafi's money? Where is Saddam Hussein's money? And fresh, where is Venezuela's money?
              1. -13
                18 February 2020 14: 00
                Naftogaz and Gazprom legal entities did not pay anything !!! gave them gas
                1. +12
                  18 February 2020 14: 05
                  Funny you, by golly))) What gas? Gazprom transferred the hated US rubles to Naftogaz’s accounts. All! Until the last cent
                  1. -15
                    18 February 2020 14: 10
                    Tired of your composing !!! everything was chewed here
                    1. +2
                      18 February 2020 14: 21
                      What essays did the money pay Ukrainians
                      1. -6
                        18 February 2020 14: 25
                        Naftogaz and not Ukraine !!! Want to pay Khodorkovsky?
                      2. +2
                        18 February 2020 15: 42
                        Well, now it’s easier, it turns out to be Naftogaz, well now everything, then consider kakby and did not pay anyone
                      3. -1
                        18 February 2020 15: 46
                        read why it is beneficial to Gazprom and what Naftogaz gave for it
                      4. -5
                        18 February 2020 17: 44
                        If guilt is proven, then why not pay?
                      5. +1
                        18 February 2020 18: 32
                        Quote: Kronos
                        paid to Ukrainians

                        to each?!! what laughing
                2. +1
                  18 February 2020 15: 37
                  Yes, even given dumplings.
                  They fought in the chest with a grin that they would never give anything back and were blown away in public and public
              2. +3
                18 February 2020 14: 13
                Yes, Gazprom had to pay, since they did not have time to complete the construction of SP2, and gas must go to Europe, otherwise the mattresses come with their own LNG. Here amers must be given their due, they did well, especially with Denmark. The Yukos affair is not worth it here.
                1. 0
                  18 February 2020 14: 41
                  Quote: Prjanik
                  amers must pay tribute, well they did

                  Let's say they succeeded in spitting in a common well. What will they do with the inhabitants of the entire European village that scooped water from this well? Has anyone estimated future reputation losses in the markets in dollars or does everyone naively believe that this will not go around amers?
                  1. -3
                    18 February 2020 15: 00
                    Relations there have already switched to new formulations, from politically correct "partners" in the past to real "vassals" in the present. And if this EU goes against the US, then there will be no EU, Trump promised to deal with Europe. Everyone understands everything, and Germany, especially business, how can it be trying to somehow creep out from under the amer's influence.
                  2. +4
                    18 February 2020 15: 06
                    You have marked cards, you bank. You can grab any player by the hand, nobody you.
                    Under such conditions, the amer will not come around.
              3. -4
                18 February 2020 15: 05
                Quote: kjhg
                may seize oil supplied by Russia to the EU.

                after the adoption of constitutional amendments regarding the primacy of Russian law, Russia may also seize oil supplied by Russia to the EU. wink
                or do you think you can’t drag out the Netherlands?
              4. -3
                18 February 2020 15: 53
                Quote: kjhg
                Naftogaz transferred money for the week.

                Not a penny.
                Quote: kjhg
                Purely theoretically, a court, in order to recover a debt, can seize oil supplied by Russia to the EU.

                Easily.
                And then have huge problems.
                After all, Russia does not sell oil.
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                  1. -2
                    18 February 2020 16: 22
                    Quote: kjhg
                    I don’t understand why you deny the obvious things? https://www.rbc.ru/business/27/12/2019/5e06339e9a79470d0c9382b1 Money paid. Naftogaz has confirmed receipt of the entire amount


                    Is it obvious to you that Russia paid?
                    Cool.
                    And the article on your link indicates that Gazprom paid.
                    Maybe you have problems reading?

                    Search further.
                    1. +1
                      18 February 2020 16: 39
                      And then Gazprom paid, well then, okay, right?
                      That is, Gazprom is not Russian?
                      Or does Russia not belong to Russia in Gazprom, or almost nothing, and therefore we, as a people, are neither cold nor hot?
                      Well then, the picture is even better, at least it is directly stated that Gazprom itself works in its own pocket.
                      And probably crumbs of taxes, well, that’s enough from a country in which Gazprom’s gas is simply stored apparently ..
                      1. -2
                        18 February 2020 17: 43
                        Quote: Revival
                        And then Gazprom paid, well then, okay, right?

                        I just do not like lies.
                        Russia has not paid a dime. This is a reinforced concrete fact.

                        Quote: Revival
                        Well then, the picture is even better, at least it is directly stated that Gazprom itself works in its own pocket.

                        Demagogy.
                        In fact, everything is much simpler. The state is not liable for the legal debts of Gazprom. Gazprom is not liable for the judicial debts of the state.
                        And that's all.

                        And there is nothing to lie that yesterday, the payment of alimony by Peter Pupkin means that tomorrow Russia will pay Khodorkovsky

                        "Patamushta Pupkin is Russian and pays crumbs of taxes" laughing laughing laughing
              5. 0
                18 February 2020 16: 39
                Quote: kjhg
                Money was transferred to Naftogaz in a week. Although before that all our officials "swore by their mother" that they would not pay anything.

                Naftogaz was paid after it agreed on the terms of temporary gas transit through the Ukrainian gas transportation system. That means, minus 3 billion. All the same, Gazprom has a profit.
                And Khodorkovsky can dream as much as he wants. As the saying goes: "richer with a thought."
                Purely theoretically, a court, in order to recover a debt, can seize oil supplied by Russia to the EU. The mechanism for breeding suckers in the West has long been worked out.

                Russia has already proved that it does not belong to the category of "suckers".
                "Economics, 28 Sep 2006,
                Recently, the vice-president of Sakhalin Energy, Igor Ignatiev, publicly announced that if the project is stopped, "direct losses will amount to $ 10 billion."
                In response, O. Mitvol objected that the amount of environmental damage from the Sakhalin-2 project could exceed $ 50 billion. "
                Probably remember ei events.
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                1. 0
                  18 February 2020 17: 00
                  I agree with you 100 percent, but then there were only Ilyich’s politicians, which he only cost, took and reset all debts, well done. Vissarionych, the State Bank of the country muddied up, there guys what they needed. Do you think one of these will be enough to get up and say something like that, even if they say that people have retired from the age of 14, figs with him, and so everyone has suffered. Why not.....
                2. -1
                  18 February 2020 18: 24
                  "partners"
                  so plus. But the word partners came from self-aware and he considers them partners sincerely without any quotes
              7. 0
                18 February 2020 16: 56
                Quote: kjhg
                may seize oil supplied by Russia to the EU
                Not even for oil, but for the amounts that are transferred as payment for this oil. There was already a precedent, they arrested, if not confused, the accounts of Roscosmos in France, which received payments for exported products, but then the arrest was withdrawn for the duration of the appeal.
            3. +8
              18 February 2020 13: 55
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              Yes, no one will pay and do not worry

              It may not even pay, but no one has yet canceled the seizure of property by court order. So the danger has not passed yet. In general, earlier it was necessary to scratch the priority of using international laws against Russian ones. Reached up to the last hoping for a chance. Perhaps only arrogant Saxons do not provide. Never.
              1. -7
                18 February 2020 14: 03
                property seizure is a very loud step, who will do it? will arrest something with us
              2. -17
                18 February 2020 14: 06
                in the West, there’s just more law, this is nepotism, corruption, raiding, etc. etc. instead of laws,
                so we must on the contrary try to adopt and follow, and not go into the next isolation
                1. 0
                  18 February 2020 16: 16
                  Quote: divanka2021
                  in the west, there’s just more law

                  Are you talking about the decision in favor of Naftogaz with the wording "in connection with the difficult economic situation in Ukraine" ???
                  such a "law" let the Balts and Poles snatch laughing
              3. -4
                18 February 2020 14: 46
                Russia does not recognize the decision of the Hague, as well as the United States, and our court of chemists will bill them 55555 trillion so what?
                1. 0
                  18 February 2020 15: 46
                  There is only one difference.
                  The United States can afford it despite the possible consequences (seizures of property, etc.), and especially they can afford it because no one is too hard to apply these consequences to them
                2. 0
                  18 February 2020 16: 41
                  And just that so far there are no examples where we allow ourselves what the United States can afford
              4. +8
                18 February 2020 15: 00
                Quote: DenZ
                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                Yes, no one will pay and do not worry

                It may not even pay, but no one has yet canceled the seizure of property by court order. So the danger has not passed yet. In general, earlier it was necessary to scratch the priority of using international laws against Russian ones. Reached up to the last hoping for a chance. Perhaps only arrogant Saxons do not provide. Never.

                not a big remark :) Even if you introduce a norm in the constitution on the priority of local legislation over extraterritorial legislation, this does not preclude the possibility of seizing your property abroad in accordance with a court decision. Your legislation is yours, that is, you tell yourself that you don’t owe anything to anyone, while foreign authorities will consider otherwise. Well, then either agreed, or gunboat diplomacy.
                1. +2
                  18 February 2020 16: 29
                  Quote: Voletsky
                  Even if you introduce a norm in the constitution on the priority of local legislation over extraterritorial legislation, this does not preclude the possibility of seizing your property abroad in accordance with a court decision.

                  absolutely right! but it also gives full right to seize foreign property by decision of a Russian court. Now there is no such possibility since such decisions are immediately appealed to an international court which is not controlled by Russia.
                  you probably know that everything in Russia was bought by the Anglasaks! there’s only one British queen for 13 real estate lards in Moscow! this is not a joke by the way.
                  before making changes:
                  in Britain, "Sedov" are arrested in the Yukas case; in Russia, the royal huts are arrested in response, but by the decision of the Hague court, the arrest is removed from the royal huts, and so on. this court decision is higher than the Russian court decision, according to our own constitution, the arrest from the huts has to be lifted. that's the law ...
                  after accepting the changes:
                  in Britain, "Sedov" are arrested in the Yukas case; in Russia, the royal huts are arrested in response. the decisions of some kind of Hague court are not valid here, and except for the real estate itself, you can arrest everything, up to the embassies, like the Americans with our embassy, ​​and expose reciprocal claims and penalties. that's the law wink
                  1. -2
                    18 February 2020 17: 16
                    No, I don’t know anything about the Anglo-Saxons, of course I heard about theories like about the world Zionist conspiracy :) But in general, I understand that this is just a collective image, it just pisses me off the expression itself.

                    Yes; according to your legislation, you must obey the decision of international courts, and you cannot dispute them anywhere except in the same international instances. It is as if your property would be disposed of by your neighbor, and at the same time to challenge this, you would need the approval of a neighbor. In common people - bondage.
                    I did not add this in a previous post, for I thought it was taken for granted.
                    When introducing a clause on the priority of national legislation over extraterritorial; Your Neighbor becomes just a neighbor =>
                    Well, then either agreed, or gunboat diplomacy.
                    1. +1
                      18 February 2020 17: 24
                      Quote: Voletsky
                      When introducing a clause on the priority of national legislation over extraterritorial; Your Neighbor Becomes Just a Neighbor

                      Nah! not just a neighbor, but a miserable and robbed neighbor! you see, after the adoption of amendments to the constitution, they will immediately begin to tell us about this and accuse Russia of arbitrariness Yes
                      1. -1
                        18 February 2020 17: 38
                        I live in Latvia, and work all over the world :) Believe me, you are already blamed for everything you can.
                      2. +1
                        18 February 2020 19: 35
                        Quote: Voletsky
                        I live in Latvia, and work all over the world :) Believe me, you are already blamed for everything you can.

                        At the very same, as a Russian-speaking person, what is the relation to this? I'm on charges of everything that is possible.

                        I only state one thing, if we suddenly say:
                        “We decided to repent. We give everything we demand, we saw nuclear weapons and carry out disarmament, we legalize everything you say, and we will accept all recommendations in Parliament as the Federal Law. Just take us back to the last at least a series of civilized communities. ”

                        And what will happen? As the Holy Catholic Church teaches us, the West will accept us, repenting of sinners, into the bosom of its civilization?
                        Rather, the answer will be in the spirit: “Now, let every Russian bend down and kiss his ass.” Then we'll talk ... "

                        We must understand that we have been aliens, aliens to the West all our lives and will remain. We already tried to bend, but, having just started to bend without permission, we again fell out of favor. I am sure that we signed this charter just in the years of the deflection, when we sawed rockets and submarines to the words of the song Scorpions “...
                        Did you ever think that we could be so close, like brothers? ”...

                        It will be better if we find a way not to pay and not encroach on our assets. It will be worse if you have to pay (it makes no sense to guess and hit yourself with your heels in the chest), and you have to look for money where and for a recently announced purchase of something from someone.
                      3. +1
                        18 February 2020 23: 41
                        I answer various questions, respectively, to stupid ones - the larger the state, the more it becomes like a very strong organized crime group, moreover, with its own newspaper; and the smaller the state, the more like Mademoiselle back and forth; but there are exceptions Ukraine hello :) And the bolder the gang acts, unless of course the strengths allow, the better they end up living :)
                        as for me, well, I want 3k € per month net, affordable housing; but for now not :) for Russia I am only on the forum, and that is not always :)
              5. -4
                18 February 2020 15: 57
                Quote: DenZ
                but no one has yet canceled the seizure of property by court order.

                An absolutely useless option since the days of "Legs"
                There is nothing to arrest.
            4. -4
              18 February 2020 14: 00
              remind me why all the first boron cheese squeezed the company from the second and threw the shareholders?
              So this is the norm in Russia, of course no one will pay Nitsche
            5. 0
              18 February 2020 17: 08
              "The Ministry of Justice emphasized that Russia" will continue to defend its legitimate interests and, by way of cassation, will challenge the verdict passed by the court of appeal in the Supreme Court of the Netherlands. "
              And then amendments to the constitution will come into force.
            6. -1
              18 February 2020 17: 18
              Raider Sechin, of course, will not pay from his pocket. They will scatter on mere mortals if the Moscow City Court does not cancel this decision =) Or maybe the hodor will be killed in the Hague outhouse - there is no body and no need to pay =) Well, if all the amendments are made, the hodor will have to go to the Basmanny court.
          2. +14
            18 February 2020 13: 45
            Khodorkovsky doesn’t care that if they pay, then this money will go away from pensioners, subsidies, patients, the poor, state employees ..


            Igor Sechin, Rotenberg brothers, Sergey Chemezov, Gennady Timchenko, Yuri Kovalchuk, Alexey Miller, Shamalov’s father and son, Vladimir Yakunin, Yevgeny Prigozhin, etc.

            And this does not care, from whom the money comes to them ??)
            1. -5
              18 February 2020 14: 57
              You do not confuse our Boyars with Khodorkovsky please
          3. -1
            18 February 2020 13: 47
            Quote: krot
            $ 50 billion to Khodorkovsky

            And his duplex will not burst? The London dreamer, and the ungrateful bastard. Fuck him, and eggplant in the ass. Russia has something to spend money on. am
            1. -3
              18 February 2020 14: 58
              Why is he a bastard?
            2. 0
              18 February 2020 19: 45
              We gave him even a pea jacket and mittens free of charge, in spite of the fact that all the people pecked at "his bowels belonging to the people."
          4. -4
            18 February 2020 13: 56
            military budget of 70 yards !!!
          5. +3
            18 February 2020 14: 07
            It was necessary to make sure that this freak did not get out of prison
            It is necessary to make sure that this bastard returns to sit out, preferably for life.
          6. +8
            18 February 2020 14: 07
            You are absolutely right, Paul.
            Khodorkovsky could not be released, this bastard has his hands knee-deep in blood. Dozens of contract killings ... but not proven. And how do you prove them when Nevzlin to Israel washed away?
            I worked in a team that Yukos bankrupt. He was an adviser to the president of Yukos EP (Exploration and Production). I know everything that was then done not by hearsay.
            Putin then showed an unforgivable gentleness regarding the ghoul of Khodorkovsky - in vain he did it.
            Good deeds do not go unpunished.
            And in the Dutch courts, we just need to ... well, ignore them. Who knows what they smoked will decide.
          7. -4
            18 February 2020 15: 05
            Quote: krot
            It was necessary to make sure that this freak did not get out of prison!

            This is yes ...
            But it was NOT possible to recognize jurisdiction Holland- with what fright is the case of a Russian company, a lawsuit against Russia - considered ... in the Hague?

            Spit on her: let them decide in the Khamovnik court, at the place of the defendant ...
            1. 0
              18 February 2020 15: 52
              Well, here I think that we were not particularly offered a choice.
              And we don’t have enough weight to push through our conditions when signing the contract
          8. 0
            18 February 2020 15: 45
            krot
            So this bastard varied, the sick began to pretend to be, and the sick mother began to hide behind herself ... The guarantor's heart trembled ...
          9. +1
            18 February 2020 16: 00
            They kicked a straight tear when they wrote about pensioners and state employees. It is less necessary to steal and there is enough money for everyone. And those who stole to the wall, and not give out orders and medals. Then the country will be monolithic and no enemy is terrible. Together with The Hague.
          10. +2
            18 February 2020 17: 51
            Quote: krot
            $ 50 billion, this is not weak for the country's budget)

            Do you sincerely believe that someone will pay 50 lard to Hodor ?? laughing
        2. +5
          18 February 2020 13: 46
          According to The Sunday Times, after the arrest in 2003, Khodorkovsky transferred his shares to Baron Rothschild (according to some reports, this is 53%) on the basis of the deal they concluded before the arrest.
          Now all international courts are still bottom.
          1. +11
            18 February 2020 13: 49
            Quote: Prjanik
            Now all international courts are still bottom.

            As soon as the USSR was gone, chaos and unilateral decision-making began in the international situation.
            1. +9
              18 February 2020 13: 54
              Quote: Arlen
              Quote: Prjanik
              Now all international courts are still bottom.

              As soon as the USSR was gone, chaos and unilateral decision-making began in the international situation.

              Quite right, and since now there is no way to break down and redraw this system of international institutions, you just need to ignore them and increase your priority.
            2. +3
              18 February 2020 14: 15
              Quote: Arlen
              As soon as the USSR was gone, chaos and unilateral decision-making began in the international situation.

              One pole of power remained. So, of course, it would be possible to conduct some kind of planned exercises in the North Sea, such as "West-2020", with the participation of all types of troops, landing on some island, and even with the participation of the CMEA countries, and the Dutch Themis immediately has a conscience I would have woken up, I would have judged everything honestly ... I'm sure. Yes
        3. +1
          18 February 2020 13: 48
          Quote: Evdokim
          Quote: dorz
          Muzzle will not crack?

          Who? Khodorkovsky?

          It won't crack! It was necessary to "bring down" it in the zone! There would be fewer problems! negative
          1. -2
            18 February 2020 14: 48
            Hodor himself is afraid of this money. Because the question is more relevant to him - what will he get from overseas friends instead of money ... a scarf, a "newbie" or something new?
        4. 0
          18 February 2020 13: 49
          Who? Khodorkovsky?

          Khodorkovsky should hide away from the ice ax ... his hands are in the blood of people.
        5. +2
          18 February 2020 14: 49
          Khodorkovsky will crack not only his face ...
          This passenger again woke up megalomania.
          Released - go to Israel and do not yap. It’s already full of such ...
          No - he decided to fight with Russian state!
          This does not end in good. Berezovsky will confirm ... No.
        6. 0
          18 February 2020 14: 50
          Quote: Evdokim
          Who? Khodorkovsky?

          ".... In February 2005, representatives several companies, which were associated with the former major shareholder of Yukos Group MENATEP Ltd, filed claims in the International Arbitration Court in The Hague. They demanded that Russia pay $ 100 billion in compensation. The claims were based on the investment protection provisions of the Energy Charter ... "
          These are companies that should subsequently have had complete control over Yukos and its assets.
        7. -1
          18 February 2020 15: 54
          It is a pity that he "sewed little mittens" in a hurry ...! And now we have what we have!
      2. 0
        18 February 2020 13: 42
        Naftogaz did not crack from 3 lards ..))
        1. 0
          18 February 2020 13: 49
          The key here is amendments to the constitution .... And many of our Comrades are hostile to the amendments to the Constitution ... like Putin again wants to sit in his chair .....
          The money allocated by the US State Department for the information war with Russia does not go in vain ..

          The West already does not see the edges - 50 billion .. then it will request 100 billion ... - it’s easier and cheaper to send an expensive missile to them, such as Poplar ... wassat
          1. -4
            18 February 2020 13: 55
            The money allocated by the US State Department for the information war with Russia does not go in vain ..


            they have singers by mouth and propaganda eventually drags. There are enough sick people. And there are enough people poisoned by anti-state propaganda even here, on a patriotic resource, as it were, where many served, swore allegiance.



            and I kept wondering how it turned out in the video below

          2. -2
            18 February 2020 14: 11
            And here are amendments to the Constitution ..
            If they judge me for robbing an ATM, can I write amendments to the Constitution myself and send cops away? Or can each country write such amendments to itself ?? And then why the court ??)

            And many of our Comrades are hostile to the amendments to the Constitution ... like Putin again wants to sit in an armchair .....
            But like Putin, he thinks all about the people .. as if to save pensioners from the evil Khodorkovsky ..))
            1. -5
              18 February 2020 14: 16
              as if to save pensioners from the evil Khodorkovsky ..))


              Wafers tell us today about the good Khodorkovsky, saving Russian pensioners from evil Putin? I got comfortable, broadcast, the great Ukrainian man, Putin’s thunderstorm. What is the cause of panic in the Kremlin? Have you fixed the forelock and bloomers? You speak

              1. -9
                18 February 2020 14: 22
                Wafers tell us today about good Putin, saving Russian pensioners from the evil Khodorkovsky? I got comfortable, broadcast, the great Ukrainian man, the thunderstorm of Khodorkovsky. What is the cause of panic in the Kremlin?
                1. -5
                  18 February 2020 14: 25
                  here and again I overcame Muscovites as cunningly
                  Tricky Selyuk
                  1. -5
                    18 February 2020 14: 29
                    Stop mooing, nobody understands you here .. write in normal language ..
            2. +1
              18 February 2020 15: 17
              Quote: Roman070280
              And here are amendments to the Constitution ..
              If they judge me for robbing an ATM, can I write amendments to the Constitution myself and send cops away?

              Well, the Hodor is quite normal with his foreign shareholders through a pocket court in the Netherlands trying to get money that he could not bring abroad. in Russia, he has no opportunity to influence the constitution, but his "shareholders" in the EU have long ago grasped everything and the necessary laws have already been adopted.
              Quote: Roman070280
              Or can each country write such amendments to itself ?? And then why the court ??)

              no, not everyone. only serious countries such as Russia, China or the United States. didn't you know? but for serfs in the EU there are special courts, especially for those with sovereignty so-so Yes
              1. -2
                18 February 2020 15: 23
                Well, there’s a good deal with your foreign shareholders through pocket court in the Netherlands trying to get money that could not be withdrawn abroad... in Russia, he has no opportunity to influence the constitution, but his "shareholders" in the EU have long ago grasped everything and the necessary laws have already been adopted.

                1. I don’t know how pocket he is there ..
                2. Some thieves robbed another thief .. And here the Constitution ..

                no, not every one. only such serious countries

                That's why we wiped ourselves and paid ukram 3 lard ..
                1. -1
                  18 February 2020 15: 36
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  I don’t know how pocket he is there ..

                  so much so that it makes a decision in favor of Naftagaz on the basis of the "difficult economic situation in Ukraine." laughing
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  Some thieves robbed another thief .. And here the Constitution ..

                  hmmm .. that is, you do not know the legal side of the issue? why then undertook to write here? request
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  That's why we wiped ourselves and paid ukram 3 lard ..

                  you probably yes ... but Gazprom apparently clearly understands that the speedy end of SP2 is much more than 3cc. wink
                  1. 0
                    18 February 2020 15: 54
                    so much so that it makes a decision in favor of Naftagaz on the basis of the "difficult economic situation in Ukraine."


                    Why are we suing there then ??

                    hmmm .. that is, you do not know the legal side of the issue? why then undertook to write here?

                    But for some reason you undertook to write here ..
                    On the legal side, the court is the one who understands ..
                    I write from the human side ..

                    Gazprom apparently clearly understands that the speedy end of SP2 is much more than 3cc.

                    I will not even be interested in how much the ending of SP2 accelerated after that ..
                    The main thing is that, if suddenly, you have to pay 50 lard, then you do not justify it the same way - that it is, they say, less than arrests of accounts / property / assets, delayed completion of SP2, etc. .. Underline what you like ..
                    1. -3
                      18 February 2020 16: 11
                      Quote: Roman070280
                      Why are we suing there then ??

                      probably because the constitution now prescribes the dominance of international law over Russian. as if there’s nowhere to go in connection with the fact that, on the basis of the constitution, decisions of an international court are higher than decisions of Russian courts.
                      Quote: Roman070280
                      But for some reason you undertook to write here ..
                      On the legal side, the court is the one who understands ..
                      I write from the human side ..

                      Well, I at least have a superficial idea of ​​the legal side, unlike you.
                      what court is parsed? The Hague? one that is obviously anti-Russian? well, practice, then wassat
                      on the human side, write about the judicial system? it's about the same as from the cultural side to talk about proctology laughing
                      Quote: Roman070280
                      I will not even be interested in how much the ending of SP2 accelerated after that ..

                      correctly! why does a person living in an alternative reality destroy their worldviews? it can prevent Putin from winning! wassat and you need to think with your head, which is probably difficult for some ...
                      Quote: Roman070280
                      The main thing is that, if suddenly, you have to pay 50 lard, then you do not justify it the same way - that it is, they say, less than arrests of accounts / property / assets, delayed completion of SP2, etc. .. Underline what you like ..

                      the main thing is that if they don’t pay, then the pan-and-headed heads aren’t completely smashed against the ceiling during the fifth point explosion! from them, long-suffering, only with the Crimean bridge how many times took off. laughing then it’s not a Mosfilm, then it didn’t fall, then cars drive on it, then trains. laughing
                      and one there argued for the return of Crimea on eating a bucket of feces! very awkward bully
                      have you made such bets with anyone?
                      1. 0
                        19 February 2020 09: 15
                        what court is parsed? The Hague? one that is obviously anti-Russian?
                        For some people, it’s certainly possible .. I don’t think so ..
                        Well, I at least have a superficial idea of ​​the legal side, unlike you.
                        on the human side, write about the judicial system? it's about the same as from the cultural side to talk about proctology

                        Interesting reasoning ..
                        Means that the Khodorkovsky swindler - it suits you .. from all sides ..
                        And the fact that he had the same crooks squeezed something out there is, they say, already proctology ..
                        Oh yes .. there is a difference right away .. in the first case, the Russian court was involved in the case .. And that means. I should have no doubt .. (after all, Russian courts cannot act in anyone else’s interests .. simply because they are called that ..
                        Well, this is all not true
                        Firstly: compliance with the requirements of the current legislation in modern Russia does not at all mean the absence of corpus delicti, as it was convincingly proved by the example of Yukos: the laws were the same, but they are judged by the new ones, convincingly they do not care about the Constitution.

                        Remember: at the end of the last - beginning of this century, legislation did not at all prohibit the registration of subsidiaries in territories with preferential taxation (in the so-called internal offshores). In those days, tax minimization was not considered a crime at all, and the concept of "tax evasion scheme" did not exist at all. It appeared later. In the "Yukos case" - for which his top managers are imprisoned
                        )


                        And in the second case - an international court .. and therefore, there can be no faith a priori ..
                        This is where all your "superficial idea" is ..

                        correctly! why does a person living in an alternative reality destroy their worldviews? it can prevent Putin from winning! wassat and you need to think with your head that for some it’s probably difficult ...

                        And you don’t live in an alternative reality .. then you won’t ruin your worldview .. At the same time, you’ll find out how much faster the completion of SP2 after paying 3 lard .. However, for this you need to think with your head, which is probably difficult for some ..


                        the main thing is that if they don’t pay, then the pan-and-headed heads aren’t completely smashed on the ceiling during the explosion of the fifth point! from them, long-suffering, only with the Crimean bridge how many times took off. laughing is not a mosfilm, it didn’t fall, then cars go on it, then trains. laughing
                        You know, I somehow do not care about those pan-and-panheads ... there’s nothing to ask from them ..
                        But when our local "experts" shouted that Gazprom would not pay anything .. and in the end paid like a nice little one .. here they probably broke both the ceiling and the head ..

                        and one there argued for the return of Crimea on eating a bucket of feces! very awkward came out bully
                        have you made such bets with anyone?

                        No, I haven’t made such bets with anyone, and I don’t advise you to do so again ..
                      2. -1
                        19 February 2020 15: 55
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Interesting reasoning ..
                        Means that the Khodorkovsky swindler - it suits you .. from all sides ..
                        And the fact that he had the same crooks squeezed something out there is, they say, already proctology ..

                        go crazy! that is, the hodor stole the money, but "other swindlers" imprisoned him and took the money from him, and now Russia is obliged to return 50 lard to the crook hodor because his shareholders lobbied a corresponding claim in a foreign court? laughing
                        Oh well... wassat
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        But when our local "experts" shouted that Gazprom would not pay anything .. and in the end paid like a nice little one .. here they probably broke both the ceiling and the head ..

                        if you suddenly forgot then remind you that lawsuit against Gazprom was 12 billion. well, you never mind, memory bounced off in the fight against redhead wassat
                        2.9 billion was paid in accordance with the contract for undelivered gas. The situation was controversial due to the fact that this mainly happened through the fault of Ukraine. as a result, a new supply agreement was concluded, which excludes not only the re-occurrence of such a lawsuit, but also makes a direct correlation between the continuation of deliveries and the emergence of new claims by Ukraine.

                        and now let's tighten, stretch as much as possible, and try to give out some kind of plausible version in connection with which something will be paid to the swindler (like you admitted it laughing ) hodor laughing
                      3. 0
                        19 February 2020 16: 13
                        go crazy! that is, the hodor stole the money, but "other crooks" imprisoned him and took the money from him, and now Is Russia obliged to return 50 lard to the cheater by the fact that its shareholders lobbied in a foreign court a lawsuit? laughing
                        Oh well...


                        Her .. Russia is obliged to leave these assets to other crooks, because they "lobbied" it in our court ..

                        When it was you, you initially began to focus on the rogue hod, and the wrong courts .. I just pointed out that there the other side is no less dirty !! In fact, I do not care how this thing ends ..

                        if you suddenly forgot then I remind you that the lawsuit against Gazprom was 12 billion. well, you never mind, memory bounced off in the fight against redhead

                        In fact, there was more to Gazprom .. And even more from Gazprom was ..
                        But in fact it was Gazprom who paid it !!

                        2.9 billion was paid in accordance with the contract for undelivered gas. the situation was controversial due to the fact that this mainly happened through the fault of Ukraine.
                        Here you see..
                        There is also a "difficult economic situation" - it seems, too, through no fault of ours .. But in the end we paid them !! So now you are pushing in order to mold candy from G ..))


                        a new supply agreement has been concluded that excludes not only the re-emergence of such a lawsuit also makes a direct correlation between the continuation of supplies and the emergence of new claims by Ukraine.

                        Here you have everywhere victory ..))
                        Meanwhile:


                        After 2019, Gazprom does not intend to continue relations with Ukraine as a transit country for Russian gas, Alexander Medvedev, deputy chairman of the board of Gazprom, told reporters.

                        "After the end of the transit contract with Ukraine, there will be no extension or the conclusion of a new transit contract under any circumstances. Due to the economic, commercial, technological, investment and political risks for gas transit, there will be no more Ukrainian transit. even if the sun changes the moon with places. The analysis has been carried out: in order for the Ukrainian system to function even in the current regime, it is necessary to invest $ 12 billion to support transit, "he said.



                        So, I repeat - do not bet better on these topics ..
                        They may not pay anything to Hodor .. or maybe it’s quite what they have to ..
                        As I had to give 3 lard, and sign a new contract, and shake up with SP2, and much more .. And always before that they shouted - Never !!
                      4. -1
                        19 February 2020 16: 54
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        I just pointed out that there the second side is no less dirty !!

                        you may not believe it, but I don’t argue with that at all Yes
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        There is also a "difficult economic situation" - it seems, too, through no fault of ours .. But in the end we paid them !! So now you are pushing in order to mold candy from G ..))

                        I am? bother? wassat are you stubbornly shouting that Gazprom paid the lawsuit, but am I pushing? what
                        not 12 lard but 2.9, not by claim, but as a result of negotiations by mutual agreement. no, do not catch? bully
                        you are in a joke ... is it true that Monya won 1 million in the lottery? truth! but not in the lottery, but in cards, and not 1 million but 100 rubles, and did not win, but lost. laughing
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Meanwhile:

                        right? are you sure so but not like that?
                        Gazprom is ready to begin negotiations with the new Ukrainian authorities on direct gas supplies. This statement was made by Alexey Miller on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg Economic Forum at a meeting with Viktor Medvedchuk, head of the political council of the Ukrainian party, Opposition Platform for Life, and party co-chairman Yuriy Boyko.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        So, I repeat - do not bet better on these topics ..
                        They may not pay anything to Hodor .. or maybe it’s quite what they have to ..

                        it is very doubtful ... if with ukrams it is at least somehow economically motivated, then with a hodor in any way. already how many years there in any way? Remind me how many years he begs money? Of course, not he, but his shareholders, but even nothing happened to them. wink
                  2. -2
                    18 February 2020 16: 32
                    And did not pull and the speediest and without 3kkk?
                    And why not?
                    After all, it was just so praised!
                    PS
                    What I didn’t pull, I myself know.
                    And there was nothing wrong with this, if they had not boasted ahead of time
                    1. 0
                      18 February 2020 16: 41
                      Quote: Revival
                      And did not pull and the speediest and without 3kkk?

                      what are you talking about? about the fact that the EU insisted on continuing the transit, and when settling the dispute, ukram set off gas by 3ccs?
                      Or do you just want to shout about "paidtrilyardaaaa !!!!"? laughing
                      Quote: Revival
                      And why not?

                      and because the EU needs this, with which Gazprom needs a contract for a sum significantly greater than 3cc in the form of gas that is already in Ukraine and cannot be returned.
                      Quote: Revival
                      After all, it was just so praised!

                      Who? your colleagues Well, you have such a job, make a lot of noise wink
                      1. 0
                        18 February 2020 16: 43
                        Well, officially praised from the TV, I have no colleagues there
                      2. 0
                        18 February 2020 16: 47
                        Quote: Revival
                        Well, officially praised from the TV, I have no colleagues there

                        Where???
                        I have never met a single official news in the style of "we will pay for nothing !! 1". in the official news, quite sane people said that there was a trial, that certain decisions were made, that appeals were being filed.
                        though .. if you are talking about a talk show then yes. there can’t say something like that wink
                      3. -1
                        18 February 2020 16: 46
                        "but because the EU needs it, with which Gazprom needs a contract for an amount much more than 3KKK in the form of gas that is already in Ukraine and cannot be returned."
                        Yes, they just boasted that they say no concessions in matters of payment, so we conclude a contract with the EU.
                        Not pulled? And they didn’t know that they would not pull?
                        What did not know that there are no levers of pressure on the EU in this matter?
                        They knew.
                        Why did they swagger in order to yield louder in the end?
                        They wouldn’t swagger and could at least pretend to say “working situation”, “circumstances”.
                      4. 0
                        18 February 2020 16: 51
                        Quote: Revival
                        Yes, they just boasted that they say no concessions in matters of payment, so we conclude a contract with the EU.
                        Not pulled? And they didn’t know that they would not pull?
                        What did not know that there are no levers of pressure on the EU in this matter?
                        They knew.
                        Why did they swagger in order to yield louder in the end?
                        They wouldn’t swagger and could at least pretend to say “working situation”, “circumstances”.

                        if you continue to form your opinion on the basis of a talk show, then you will amuse others very much laughing wassat like now laughing
        2. -3
          18 February 2020 13: 50
          Naftogaz did not crack from 3 lards ..))

          Ukrainian caught overpowering - funny and sometimes pathetic sight.
          Aryan, your government fucks you while you draw emoticons from the aggressor on the resource here.

          Dialogue.ua is waiting for you. There your fellow tribesmen help in the comments. And you all climb onto the resource, where you have to be sad, reading the truth about your homeland.

          I do not understand such characters. And you do not write on mov. No pride for Ukraine and for its rural dialect. Patriot. Do you even sing the anthem?

          When registering on the site, Ukrainians should be asked: "Whose Crimea" and many waffles will disappear. Give the right discrimination

          1. -6
            18 February 2020 14: 20
            accounts sad while reading the truth about their homeland.

            Yes, you already answered yourself higher ..
            funny and pathetic sight in places.
            Aryan, your government fucks you,


            But you don’t be sad .. you can frustrate your evil on me .. It’s because of me that the Motherland has come to the point that the athletes are excluded from the competition, with our salaries we pay either Yanukovych or Naftogaz, and pensioners' money lies at the bottom of the Baltic Sea. .

            I do not understand such characters.

            You don’t understand anything at all .. You don’t even understand that normal people have already gotten all these victories and breakthroughs of Putin .. You Ukrainians have eaten your whole brain from the Box .. you don’t see anything around ..))

            When registering on the site, Ukrainians should be asked: "Whose Crimea" and many waffles will disappear.


            Now you can disappear ..
            1. -5
              18 February 2020 14: 23
              Ukrainians have eaten your brain from the Box .. you see nothing else around ..

              Why are you ashamed to admit that you are an ancient Aryan?

              PS Remember that when a pig moves to a den, it does not become a bear.
              PPS I’ll be happy to give you a call now and be enchanted by your accent

              Will you write me your number on the PM?
              1. -7
                18 February 2020 14: 25
                why are you ashamed to admit that you are a Ukrainian who has galloped his country for lace shorts?
                1. -4
                  18 February 2020 14: 27
                  Ukrainian, galloping his country for lace shorts?


                  you surprised me now. So you're from another place. Where are you broadcasting from? Where else are offended so much on Russian?

                  We need our local chat roulette here. See the eyebrows of the interlocutor

                  1. -4
                    18 February 2020 14: 31
                    You have already answered:
                    You don’t understand anything at all .. You don’t even understand that normal people have already gotten all these victories and breakthroughs of Putin .. You Ukrainians have eaten your whole brain from the Box .. you don’t see anything around ..))
                    1. -4
                      18 February 2020 14: 32
                      Chamomile shy. I want to regulate the flow of foreigners on this site.
                  2. +2
                    18 February 2020 14: 38
                    We need here our local chat roulette. See the eyebrows of the interlocutor

                    You need a doctor ..
      3. The comment was deleted.
        1. +1
          18 February 2020 15: 22
          Quote: Rich
          Lord, Authors, do you even check the text of your articles before posting them.

          it certainly is, but why are you writing all this here?
          there is a special link under the article for errors wink
      4. 0
        18 February 2020 19: 53
        Quote: dorz
        pay $ 50 billion ...

        Muzzle will not crack?

        At us - it will not crack and we will pay! And more than once! And to deprive all property of those lawyers who draw up and sign agreements that later turn out to be failures for the country and the people, not not for HAP-MenACHER corporations! And let those lawyers pay the scam to the end of their days!
        PS And now it remains to wait for the minuses for their point of view. Probably from officials and lawyers!
      5. -1
        20 February 2020 13: 18
        Tea does not crack with polonium but ...!
    2. 0
      18 February 2020 13: 53
      From these amendments they are not cold and not hot in this matter, as we are
    3. +5
      18 February 2020 14: 32
      It seems to me that Khodorkovsky will not reach retirement ...
    4. +1
      18 February 2020 14: 47
      "Long live the Hague court! The most humane court in the world!"
      It is a pity Vitsin died, he would have voiced this slogan forever!
      Our grandchildren and great-grandchildren would have laughed.
    5. 0
      19 February 2020 12: 42
      Turn off those censorship !!! I have a FALSE RESPONSE !!!! With Gary Oldman in the lead role.
  2. +3
    18 February 2020 13: 30
    Russia has a legal opportunity to challenge this decision by appealing to the Supreme Court of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

    The fact is that very soon a clause may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that Russian laws are recognized to prevail over international laws, and the latter will be executed only if they do not strike against Russia's interests.

    It is necessary to challenge and drag out the time until the amendments are accepted. And then we'll see whose take ...
    1. +3
      18 February 2020 13: 54
      It is necessary to challenge and drag out the time until the amendments are accepted. And then we'll see whose take ...

      Nothing to dispute ...
      It is just that the Moscow City Court (or any other court of Russia) must render its verdict not to pay by decision of the GAAGI court, and vice versa, demand that Khodorkovsky be paid for all the damage done to Russia and his firm Yukos.
      1. 0
        18 February 2020 14: 16
        I agree.
        There is only one nuance that is extremely important for modern Russia, then it is necessary to withstand their economic and political coercive measures, and it would be nice to have their own measures on them to ensure their decision in action.
        And here I foresee Great difficulties ...
    2. +6
      18 February 2020 13: 56
      And what will the amendments give?
      We can refuse to pay anyway, but whether we can withstand the consequences of pressure for refusal does not depend on amendments at all.
      We ourselves signed up for this arbitration, so now even with the amendments, even without them, we can either do it or just not do it.
      1. +3
        18 February 2020 14: 03
        Indeed, these amendments will not do much while we are bound by many international treaties!
        1. +1
          18 February 2020 14: 18
          That's right!
          And to allow yourself to have, conclude contracts on your own terms, this is the problem! And the amendments here are side
      2. -2
        18 February 2020 15: 27
        Quote: Revival
        We can refuse to pay anyway

        legally no. only delay the process. but if domestic law is recognized as prevailing, then on the basis of our own court we can not only not pay, but also demand payments and make property seizures.
        Do you understand that the problem now is that the decision of international courts, which by the way are controlled by our partners, is a priority on the basis of the constitution? hi drunk straight to hell for that. angry
  3. +12
    18 February 2020 13: 33
    the fact is that very soon a clause may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that Russian laws are recognized to prevail over international laws, and the latter will be executed only if they do not strike against the interests of Russia.

    and how does it prevent the seizure of property rf around the world?
    1. +12
      18 February 2020 13: 40
      Quote: protoss
      and how does it prevent the seizure of property rf around the world?

      No way. And at the same time it will not prevent Russia from seizing the property of the "whole world" you mentioned (these countries are well known) on its territory ...
      1. +3
        18 February 2020 13: 41
        I believe that in this exchange the account will not be in our favor
        1. +1
          18 February 2020 13: 46
          I believe that in this exchange the account will not be in our favor


          If you start to persecute those who illegally pass these verdicts, then the score may very well change in our favor, if only there is enough courage in power.
          1. -3
            18 February 2020 13: 48
            shoot Dutch judges? so-so move.
          2. +2
            18 February 2020 13: 53
            wrongfully makes these verdicts


            And why is it wrong ??
            The Russian Federation itself participates in these courts there, recognizes their jurisdiction, and filed appeals ..
            So everything is legitimate ..
            Ukraine recently salivated .. did not begin to pursue anyone ..
            In general, it’s nonsense - why participate in courts / organizations and other structures if their decisions can not be implemented .. Then they would leave a long time ago, otherwise they would also pay their fees .. Then it would be possible to unrecognize ..
        2. -2
          18 February 2020 13: 54
          do you want to pay 50?
          1. +3
            18 February 2020 13: 58
            nothing depends on my Wishlist.
            I would like to see people sitting upstairs who would calculate the consequences of their actions.
            and then we gave Yanukovych 3 yards, then the north stream got up, then Naftogaz was paid. solid popos.
            1. -6
              18 February 2020 14: 01
              Naftogaz was not paid anything, the flow rose temporarily, the courts are in debt
              1. +1
                18 February 2020 14: 02
                blessed are believers
                1. -5
                  18 February 2020 14: 04
                  the trolls came running again, again they all disappeared, even with you it’s not interesting
              2. -2
                18 February 2020 15: 21
                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                Naftogaz was not paid anything, the flow rose temporarily, the courts are in debt


                and pink ponies are jumping around ..

                https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/2271861/
                1. -3
                  18 February 2020 15: 42
                  pink glasses)))))
                  1. -2
                    18 February 2020 15: 53
                    Very good for you. truth

                    fifty billion sail away
                    Meet with them you do not wait.
                    And although we are a little sorry for the money
                    The best is of course ahead

                    Tablecloth tablecloth long way creeps
                    And he rests on the president.
                    Everyone believes in Putin,
                    Our Russian carriage is rolling.
                    1. -1
                      18 February 2020 15: 59
                      already said that the trial will continue therefore you rejoice early))))
                      1. -2
                        18 February 2020 16: 08
                        The news flies to all ends:
                        You believe us fathers -
                        There will be new victories
                        There will be new fighters.


                        And the trial continues again!
                        And the heart is anxious in chest!
                        And if they give the loot
                        Say - Putin defeated everyone !!
                        And if-and again will give
                        Say - Putin defeated everyone !!
            2. -4
              18 February 2020 14: 15
              security forces in the economy and other things are not very strong
      2. +5
        18 February 2020 13: 54
        Yeah .. let's also arrest those who accused our athletes of doping and removed Russia from the competition ..
        Like adults, but how to write ..))
      3. -1
        18 February 2020 13: 56
        Quote: Volodin
        No way. And at the same time it will not prevent Russia from seizing the property of the "whole world" you mentioned

        do not write nonsense; name the property of the STATES above mentioned on the territory of the Russian Federation
        1. -1
          18 February 2020 14: 04
          Well, yes, minus is easier to put than mosk stress
          will the answer be?
        2. -3
          18 February 2020 14: 39
          the news has already appeared that the Justice Ministry will continue the trial, we diverge for another 5 years
      4. -3
        18 February 2020 13: 59
        What the Russian Federation will never do. Putin’s gut is thin.
        1. 0
          18 February 2020 17: 42
          Quote: Lamata
          What the Russian Federation will never do. Putin’s gut is thin.

          the question is not who has the "gut" thicker, you name a lot of Dutch companies on the territory of the Russian Federation with a share of state capital?
          1. -3
            18 February 2020 17: 43
            Do you have any?
            1. -1
              18 February 2020 17: 44
              I don’t know about the Dutch, the Germans and the British have it, but there probably isn’t anything to grab on the territory of the Russian Federation
              1. -4
                18 February 2020 18: 08
                Hardly European state-owned companies (if any) will climb into the Russian Federation.
                1. -1
                  18 February 2020 19: 17
                  that's about talking, in this ring we have nothing to hook them on but they ....
                  1. -2
                    18 February 2020 21: 22
                    So no one ever thought about it, ours climbed into Europe and then without thinking, and now they can be pressed at once for Faberge.
                    1. -1
                      18 February 2020 21: 28
                      Quote: Lamata
                      So no one ever thought about it

                      and it’s a pity that Gandhi would have had banderlogs before Lviv and would not have had problems with Naftogaz
                      1. -2
                        18 February 2020 21: 29
                        Something I did not understand the meaning of your comment, why gandhi?
                      2. -1
                        18 February 2020 21: 41
                        Quote: Lamata
                        what gandhi?

                        gnali, writing in the blind keys next
      5. +1
        18 February 2020 15: 32
        That's right, and the question of amendments is sideways
    2. -7
      18 February 2020 13: 43
      there will be no arrests, then the whole economic system of the world is in ruins
      1. 0
        18 February 2020 13: 47
        have you forgotten noga’s case and many years of butting in the courts for much less money and all kinds of arrests in many countries of the world?
        1. -4
          18 February 2020 13: 50
          and what is the result? nothing succeeded
          1. +2
            18 February 2020 13: 53
            but drank some blood, indirect losses are considerable. Yes, and some amounts (millions of euros) still had to be paid, though not by the foot, but by the third or fourth assignees.
            1. -6
              18 February 2020 13: 57
              let them drink, they are not capable of big
          2. +7
            18 February 2020 14: 06
            even as it happened, debts were redeemed, property was seized
            1. -6
              18 February 2020 14: 11
              not in this case, Russia simply will not be able to pay, therefore, it will not do it
              1. +4
                18 February 2020 14: 19
                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                Russia simply will not be able to pay, therefore, it will not do it

                therefore, property will be seized, and given that some large companies are state-owned, then ....
                1. -4
                  18 February 2020 14: 23
                  everyone will arrest Russia and kirdyk? even to arrest a small part will take many years
                  1. +5
                    18 February 2020 15: 06
                    Quote: Nastia Makarova
                    even to arrest a small part will take many years

                    how old are you?!
                    behave like a child
                    UGS facilities with the participation of the Gazprom Group as a co-investor:
                    in Germany - 3
                    in Austria - 1
                    in Serbia - 1
                    in the Czech Republic - 1
                    in Latvia - 1
                    Current UGS facilities of the Gazprom Group:
                    in Germany - 1
                    1. -4
                      18 February 2020 15: 40
                      Well, all Gazprom is bankrupt)))))
                      1. +1
                        18 February 2020 16: 08
                        you go to extremes, just for the amount of 50 lard they will arrest our property, it will be more difficult for us to do it once. in addition, accounts of the sber of Gazprom and other state companies as well as payments to them passing through Western banks that recognize the validity of court decisions may also fall under the arets. Museum expositions, sea vessels, etc. fall into this series.
                      2. -5
                        18 February 2020 16: 17
                        1. already said that there will be an appeal of Russia))) 2-3 years
                        2. To arrest you need a new court and again years
                        3. did you give up too quickly and want to pay?
                        4. 5 years ago, too, there was a decision to pay and nothing was beaten off
                      3. -1
                        18 February 2020 16: 23
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        To arrest you need a new court and again years

                        they will be arrested between the beginning of the next trial and today's decision, there are already precedents
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        did you give up too quickly and want to pay?

                        Can you read? !!!
                        or are you one of those who sees pluses in the cemetery, the problem is that we will not be able to answer what we can not arrest in the territory of the Russian Federation
                      4. -2
                        18 February 2020 16: 25
                        wait and see how everything will be, let them try to arrest
                      5. +1
                        18 February 2020 16: 23
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        5 years ago, too, there was a decision to pay and nothing was beaten off

                        5 years ago there was no Crimea and a Boeing
              2. 0
                18 February 2020 14: 56
                And this is a move. Our economy is torn to shreds, Obama is a witness. Nebenzya for effect will walk along the UN corridor with the song "We are not local ..." and will post evidence on Twitter. Everything, insolvency is proven! lol
                1. -2
                  18 February 2020 15: 02
                  it will be so)))))
      2. +1
        18 February 2020 13: 48
        Arrests of property by court order is quite common in world practice
        1. -7
          18 February 2020 13: 51
          arrests of state property ????
          1. +5
            18 February 2020 13: 52
            Yes state
            1. -6
              18 February 2020 13: 56
              it does not oblige to pay, the more so that they will appeal for another 10 years
              1. +5
                18 February 2020 14: 08
                For the sake of Anastasia, do not spoil your impression about yourself, well, keep silent about the topic
                1. 0
                  18 February 2020 14: 12
                  and who is in the subject? since 2006, these courts have dragged on, and another 20 years will be
                  1. +5
                    18 February 2020 14: 13
                    once again on the "leg" we paid for eitm if the court accepts the property will be arrested and we will not be able to answer anything
                    1. -3
                      18 February 2020 14: 19
                      and that everything was gone? the trial is not over yet, why guess?
      3. -2
        18 February 2020 15: 33
        There is only one problem, the incompatibility of the capabilities of us and "them" in terms of economic pressure
    3. +1
      18 February 2020 13: 58
      That's right, there is nothing to do with the amendments.
      It can afford to refuse, you allow, but it is rather a matter of economics and politics, of influence in the world.
      And if you can’t survive the consequences of refusal either, you can pay with or without amendments
    4. -1
      18 February 2020 14: 06
      And what will prevent us from arresting the property of countries that have made an unjust decision in Russia in a lawsuit in our court? And there .... there are essentially sweet pieces ....
      1. +4
        18 February 2020 14: 10
        and a lot of property on the territory of the Russian Federation of "countries that have made an unjust decision" ?!
        1. -2
          18 February 2020 17: 04
          Quote: Barmaleyka
          and a lot of property on the territory of the Russian Federation of "countries that have made an unjust decision" ?!

          Enough ... and there are factories and factories, oh tidbits ...
          1. 0
            18 February 2020 17: 33
            Quote: Oleg1
            Enough ... and there are factories and factories, oh tidbits ...

            kindergarten pants with straps, name at least one with state capital
      2. -1
        18 February 2020 15: 34
        Do not overestimate our capabilities when opening such a war of "total arrests"
      3. -1
        18 February 2020 17: 34
        name the property of third countries in the Russian Federation
    5. -1
      18 February 2020 15: 29
      Quote: protoss
      and how does it prevent the seizure of property rf around the world?

      probably the prospect of arrests of foreign property in Russia wink
      1. -1
        18 February 2020 17: 04
        So if they first begin to lose something?
      2. 0
        18 February 2020 17: 57
        Quote: SanichSan
        probably the prospect of arrests of foreign property in Russia

        not just foreign, but state property, and you’re unlikely to find one
    6. Fat
      -1
      18 February 2020 16: 24
      Quote: protoss
      the fact is that very soon a clause may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that Russian laws are recognized to prevail over international laws, and the latter will be executed only if they do not strike against the interests of Russia.

      and how does it prevent the seizure of property rf around the world?

      It won't hurt. There is only one way out to drag out the process and either dilute or liquidate all "property". Blurring is preferred. If Russia has a nominally 10-20% share. The rest of the shareholders will not just tear the Hague ...
      Then Hodor slightly outplayed the leadership of the Russian Federation ... Temporarily, I hope.
      But diamond roads showed for sure. Who drew the mountain of money to the shareholders? Federation or Khodorkovsky?
      None mastered, served a little bit
      And then .... "They again took up their own!"
      (C) L. Carroll, Alice through the looking glass
  4. +4
    18 February 2020 13: 33
    Guys, you messed up, we will transfer the right to pay you 50 billion dollars or euros for this. You yourself can challenge this decision. Alternatively, let all of this Yukos pay the money to yourself from your pocket! They profitable sickliness, for them such amounts are a mere trifle!
    1. 0
      18 February 2020 13: 50
      Quote: Thrifty
      They profitable sickliness, for them such amounts are a mere trifle!

      In the USSR, stole 50 rubles and more, criminal liability, stole 50 000 rubles and more, the highest measure of social protection.
  5. +7
    18 February 2020 13: 35
    I will not be surprised that our authorities will start paying this money. As for the dispute between Gazprom and Naftogaz. And for us - "there is no money, but you hold on." The government buys a controlling stake in Sberbank for 2,5 trillion rubles. And for us - "there is no money, but you hold on." We will write off debts to some countries. And for us - "there is no money, but you hold on."
    1. -5
      18 February 2020 13: 56
      I won’t be surprised that our authorities will start paying this money

      Yes, where should they go then .. All hope is only on appeal ..
      On the other hand .. for us, anyway, there’s no difference .. The undead are rich, nothing to start ..
  6. -2
    18 February 2020 13: 35
    Now the flying detachment of Ivanov Petrovichy will join: Nexus, Gardamir, Lexus and Svarog - the prophet of this trinity (as well as other members of the choir), and they will explain to respected commentators that Russia will definitely pay as it paid to Ukraine, because it will not quarrel with its Western partners, since children and money, and who has real estate with citizenship.
    1. +2
      18 February 2020 13: 42
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      and they will explain to a respected commentator that Russia will definitely pay as it paid to Ukraine, because it will not quarrel with its Western partners,

      Tear money from children, patients, pensioners and give it to thieves. The mind is incomprehensible.
    2. +4
      18 February 2020 13: 44
      Actually, I am just against the bourgeoisie. Against the flying detachment of the Peskovy, Shuvalovs, Medvedevs, Chubays.
      And then, what doesn’t suit you? Putin, not Russia, pays Naftogaz’s bills.
      And finally, you can wait, we'll see who is right there. Only then adopt the new Constitution, and mark the day of the regiment.
      1. -3
        18 February 2020 13: 50
        Against the flying squad of Peskovy, Shuvalovs, Medvedevs, Chubays

        But how is Rogozin? Or is he the hero of not your novel?
        There are so many people who hate so many, and who you will not remember.
    3. +12
      18 February 2020 13: 54
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      because it will not quarrel with its Western partners, as children and money, and who has real estate with citizenship.

      You are absolutely right. So probably it will be. And notice it you wrote, not
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Ivanov Petrovichy flying squad: Nexus, Gardamir, Lexus and Svarog - the prophet of this trinity
      1. -6
        18 February 2020 13: 57
        It would be more appropriate for you to quote this quote.
        as well as other members of the choir
    4. +2
      18 February 2020 13: 57
      this trinity is a prophet (as well as other members of the choir), and they will explain to respected commentators that Russia will pay as it paid to Ukraine, because it will not quarrel with Western partners, as children and money, and who has real estate with citizenship.


      Sidor Amenpodestovich will now explain to distinguished commentators why actually Russia paid Ukraine ..))
      1. -1
        18 February 2020 15: 49
        What, in fact, I wanted to say.
        If (well, or when) Russia pays for the Yukos lawsuit, then an orgy of comments will erupt in the discussion of this news, like: "Nobody doubted; it was obvious; they would have tried not to pay" and so on.
        But if, nevertheless, and in spite of everything, news appears, like "Russia has decided not to pay $ 50 billion," comments will be something like this: "They were allowed not to pay; it means that something will be given for an even greater amount" and the like.
        But no one will write: "I claimed to be paid, now I admit I was wrong." No one.
        1. 0
          18 February 2020 15: 58
          You can and vice versa ..
          Nobody will write: "I claimed that they would not get paid, now I admit I was wrong."
          Actually, nobody seems to argue for money here, but only suggest ..
    5. 0
      18 February 2020 14: 01
      Essential sports.
      Examples in favor of what they pay are, you will see the opposite, and her just an empty comment on advancing the truth
      1. -5
        18 February 2020 14: 11
        What to challenge? What will not be paid? I did not say this, and my comment was not at all about that.
        And about how many enthusiastic "I told you so !!!", if the forecast comes true, there are bubbles in a puddle after "Truly I tell you, it will be so!"
    6. +1
      18 February 2020 14: 10
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Russia will certainly pay as it paid to Ukraine, because it will not quarrel with its Western partners, since there are children and money, and who has real estate with citizenship.

      Isn’t that so?
    7. -1
      18 February 2020 15: 31
      Do you doubt it ?! They will pay, but they will keep us.
  7. +2
    18 February 2020 13: 37
    The Yukos case came back to haunt many years later.
    Tactical success - a crushing blow to an independent oligarch - turned into a strategic problem.
    1. +3
      18 February 2020 13: 43
      And tomorrow the court of Vyshny Volochok will render its verdict ...
      Mutual arrests of property - generally speaking, this is a dead end. Therefore, the strategic problem will be transferred to the level of tactical misunderstanding.
      1. +3
        18 February 2020 13: 49
        Do not tell ... The decision of the Hague or London court / arbitration is serious. There may be a lot of trouble in foreign trade because of this decision.
        Russia itself has repeatedly appealed to London, Stockholm for justice in trade disputes. And sometimes she won a lot of money in cases against Ukraine, Lithuania.
        1. 0
          18 February 2020 14: 16
          Come on, how serious can this be if Russia has the best foreign policy in the last thousand years. Well and accordingly the same politician.
          1. +2
            18 February 2020 15: 00
            Quote: Gardamir
            and accordingly the same politician.

            The lonely tradesman sits and decides for all world politics. fellow
    2. -2
      18 February 2020 13: 45
      do not write bullshit !!! what problem? again 10 years process will be delayed
    3. -1
      18 February 2020 13: 48
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Tactical success - a crushing blow to an independent oligarch - turned into a strategic problem.

      How deluded you are. It was not just a thief, but also a murderer ... All this chicanery will continue for tens of years. So far, no strategic problems are visible. There is a war going on. Fighting bulldogs under the carpet. Sometimes something "brings" to the surface ...
      1. +2
        18 February 2020 13: 53
        There were two cases against Khodorkovsky:
        1) on theft of oil; 2) on tax evasion from these thefts.
        On account of these cases, a private firm was confiscated from him. Confiscation of private property is always fraught with legal consequences.
        1. -2
          18 February 2020 13: 57
          Quote: voyaka uh
          There were two cases against Khodorkovsky:
          1) on theft of oil; 2) on tax evasion from these thefts.
          On account of these cases, a private firm was confiscated from him. Confiscation of private property is always fraught with legal consequences.

          The paradox is that these cases were in the reverse order: first they planted and selected the company for tax evasion, and after a few years they added another period for allegedly stealing the oil of his company from himself
        2. 0
          19 February 2020 10: 03
          Confiscation of private property is always fraught with legal consequences.
          I fully agree with this statement. About private property in general as suchBut ... This "private property" was obtained through a fraudulent scheme. Which was organized by Khodorkovsky and his accomplices. Simply put, stolen.
          1. +1
            19 February 2020 10: 10
            Quote: Servisinzhener
            But ... This "private property" was obtained through a fraudulent scheme. Which was organized by Khodorkovsky and his accomplices. Simply put, stolen.

            This company was officially established in Russia. officially traded on international exchanges, etc. etc.
            She had shareholders. those. people who invested in this company, who had absolutely no idea. she was stolen, not stolen and stolen at all (or just some oligarchs decided to squeeze her from other oligarchs) - does not play a role.
            The state confiscated it as a type of stolen - wonderful.
            And why steal money from private investors who invested in it when it (the company) was kind of clean?
            we are not talking about - a vernier company Khodorkovsky. it comes - return the money to shareholders.
            You took them with the company.
            I will give you an example. the builder built a house, you bought an apartment in it. zaye. 10 years later, some local oligarch decided to squeeze out the company of the developer (having ten apartments in this house). I pressed it and suddenly you find out that the apartment you honestly bought and paid for is no longer yours, you were thrown out of it along with things and all your statements. that you bought it under Russian laws and so on and so forth. that it is written in your name in the appropriate instances - stumbles upon one thing, the former developer Pupkin is a thief.
            Well, take away part of it. and mine return to me - you say - and you will be right.
            Here is the same garbage with Yukos shareholders.
            I clearly explained?
            1. +1
              19 February 2020 11: 09
              Quote: Arpad
              I clearly explained?

              Are you trying to convince everyone that the protection of property obtained through corruption and fraud is normal?
              From the Deputy Minister of Fuel and Energy of Russia to the hydrocarbon billionaire for 4 years .... so what are you, no corruption, no fraud, all exclusively by your labor
            2. 0
              19 February 2020 20: 24
              This you can tell those who were born after landing Khodorkovsky. About a successful businessman from whom everything was taken away and sent to prison. I once studied the history of Yukos well. As in general, the process of privatization and secured auctions. And I have stories like yours that only make you smile.
      2. -3
        18 February 2020 15: 07
        Where are the court decisions on the killings?
  8. +2
    18 February 2020 13: 38
    Would you sit, dear, further .... You look and extra time, shlopotal. Everything is calmer. Both to you and your Hague ...
  9. +9
    18 February 2020 13: 39
    The documents of the Court of Appeal include an amount of $ 50 billion (according to other sources - 50 billion euros). And the decision of the District Court of The Hague was declared a "mistake". It is the sum of 50 billion that the court of The Hague requires from Russia to pay to the "former shareholders".
    This is how many lards these ghouls or thieves robbed the country and the people, shouting to the whole world that they are "democrats. And what court should they be judged not by the court in The Hague, but by the people of Russia?
  10. 0
    18 February 2020 13: 39
    not 50 billion bucks, but a medium-range ballistic missile must be sent to the address of the court so as not to
  11. +3
    18 February 2020 13: 41
    court decision in The Hague
    Under the guise of justice, this European viper has long been necessary to send a dense forest ...
    the sum of 50 billion requires Russia to pay the "former shareholders" by the court of The Hague.
    Can you also run for hemp? Nevertheless, at one time they did a lot of stupidity ahead of schedule by freeing Khodorkovsky. So we are reaping the decisions of the courts, the slander of the media affiliated with him and the financing of the opposition.
  12. +1
    18 February 2020 13: 41
    What is difficult to organize a court decision on a trillion dollars in favor of Russia for the damage caused by the company’s actions, that we have few village courts.
    1. -1
      18 February 2020 14: 49
      There are many settlements, but there are no international ones ..
      1. -1
        18 February 2020 15: 05
        Cross out "settlement" with a marker, write "international" on top, one minute.
        1. -1
          18 February 2020 15: 25
          We read again - there are a lot of townships, but no international ..
          1. -1
            18 February 2020 15: 40
            As you call a yacht, it will sail.
  13. -6
    18 February 2020 13: 43
    They will pay, of course, otherwise the property of the oligarchy abroad will be arrested.
  14. +4
    18 February 2020 13: 46
    In fact, international laws are still not subject to automatic execution in the Russian Federation. Only after their ratification by the State Duma. Those. after the recognition of international law by Russian.
  15. +3
    18 February 2020 13: 48
    As soon as “Khodorkovsky” appears in the media, it means that some kind of another Russophobic fuss has appeared. And the thought involuntarily arises - not many were amnestied ahead of schedule by the president, but why this scum ?!
    He himself, probably, is already biting his elbows. That was led to the "sick mother". And the murder of Petukhov (the mayor of Nefteyugansk) was hushed up. Now this ghoul would sit in a "lifelong" cell, and spoil the air only for himself.
    1. -4
      18 February 2020 13: 56
      So he is his own of the former oligarchs how to not understand this
    2. +1
      18 February 2020 17: 31
      His supporters still like to talk about how if he had not escaped he would have been imprisoned again. For whatever case that would be fabricated by any of the security forces. Completely ignoring the fact that the release from prison was the result of an agreement between him and Putin under the obligation not to engage in politics. And I very much doubt that there was anyone from the special services who would "put" on this personal agreement.
  16. +5
    18 February 2020 13: 49
    "It is worth noting that the decision of the court in The Hague, according to which tens of billions of dollars are demanded from Russia" in favor of YUKOS shareholders ", was not adopted at this time by accident. are recognized as prevailing over international laws, and the latter will be enforced only if they do not harm Russia's interests. "

    This passage is nonsense not related to reality!
    What does the constitution have to do with some norms of internal laws?
    You can’t not pay, you don’t pay, but you can’t prevent the arrest of property abroad, etc., etc., you pay.
    It’s enough for the country to influence so that no one can rush to press it on the basis of a court decision, it means it doesn’t pay, and if the country is vulnerable to external pressure and dependent, then there are no amendments to the constitution ..
    So I can see it straight: we accepted the amendments and all of Europe’s hands dropped, and there’s no arrest whatsoever and no leverage, all our amendments interfere ...
    1. -4
      18 February 2020 14: 03
      Quote: Revival


      This passage is nonsense not related to reality!
      What does the constitution and some norms of internal laws have to do with it? ....
      ...

      Bullshit is worth looking elsewhere.
      In order not to pay by this decision, someone must give an order that violates the current Constitution. GDP is the guarantor of the Constitution. And here is how to give him such an order? The entire apparatus of government officials is guided by the current legislation, from the smallest to the GDP, and none of them, including GDP, can violate this legislation without consequences for themselves.
      Already after all, on the example of Naftogaz they explained, it does not reach.
      The state system is not a get-together in a pub.
      P.S. but in this case, I still can’t believe that they will pay, they will come up with something, I hope.
      1. +4
        18 February 2020 14: 06
        What is the violation of the constitution if you do not pay?
        We pay because we are made an offer that we (those who decide to pay or not) cannot afford to refuse.
        And not because of the constitution
        1. -2
          18 February 2020 14: 17
          The violation is that international law has priority, it was introduced in the 90s, after the collapse of the USSR. The court’s decision will become mandatory, so as not to pay, someone should forbid it, and thereby violate it. Not because of the lack of tanks and missiles there will be a payment, but because of this norm. In this case, the Russian Federation will look like an idler for the whole world; this decision will hang for the rest of its life until the Last Judgment.
          The new norm of the Constitution will give the right to the GDP to send them seriously in 3 letters, while referring to the norms of its Constitution and the decision of some Tmutarakan court.
          ps the stench in the case of the new Constitution will be many, of course, but in general it will satisfy everyone. Will be legally sound... Therefore, I believe that this is one of the most important amendments, along with the requirements for the qualification of top positions, this will strengthen the Russian Federation and its sovereignty. And they should have been adopted back in 2014, when it became clear that there would be no more agreements "as before" in the world.
          1. +5
            18 February 2020 14: 46
            Yeah, but a unilateral refusal on the basis of unilaterally adopted amendments will certainly reassure and convince everyone. They will be treated with understanding ...
            For an external player, our amendments are empty space, we will still be "limitless" for them.
            Example: we have concluded a loan agreement with you, I owe you 1000000 rubles, I don’t give it back, you are in court, the court is in your favor.
            And once I changed the rules myself, the amendment introduced the fact that I no longer obey court decisions.
            You certainly accept it favorably, yes?
            Like you will react like this: "but in general it will satisfy everyone. It will be legally justified."
            Strong logic!
            1. -6
              18 February 2020 15: 04
              Quote: Revival
              Yeah, but a unilateral refusal on the basis of unilaterally adopted amendments will certainly reassure and convince everyone. They will be treated with understanding ...
              For an external player, our amendments are empty space, we will still be "limitless" for them.
              Example: we have concluded a loan agreement with you, I owe you 1000000 rubles, I don’t give it back, you are in court, the court is in your favor.
              And once I changed the rules myself, the amendment introduced the fact that I no longer obey court decisions.
              You certainly accept it favorably, yes?
              Like you will react like this: "but in general it will satisfy everyone. It will be legally justified."
              Strong logic!

              Add subjects to your example, for example, there is your wife who says (valid Constitution) - if you don’t give him the money, you’ll go to the village to live in the village. Or (amendments) - if you give him the money - you go to fuck your mother in the village to live.
              So clearer?
              1. +3
                18 February 2020 15: 20
                For the outside, the wife factor is an empty place.
                Especially if I took it to myself after the loan agreement
          2. +4
            18 February 2020 15: 30
            There is no default priority of international law! There is no such problem at all.
            Priority commitments Voluntary !!! taken over by Russia, by signing any agreement or convention Voluntarily!
            In this case, these treaties must be voluntarily ratified by the Duma (Russia), after the "Constitution" committee gives a conclusion that the signing and ratification of the treaty or convention does not contradict the constitution!
            As much as he himself voluntarily signed and ratified, please be kind enough to fulfill it or officially withdraw from this treaty! What is the problem?
            Fighting the windmills!
            A bloated populist attempt to portray an ebullient and uncompromising struggle for sovereignty for internal use.
        2. -3
          18 February 2020 14: 32
          Quote: Revival

          And not because of the constitution

          I would also add that in case of adoption of the amendments, the new Constitution is the other way around, should prohibit such payment, even if the official wanted it.
          Well, maybe it’s not literally a direct prohibition to make a payment to Yukos by the decision of The Hague in the Constitution itself, but other normative acts that will not allow acting to the detriment of the state will be brought into line with the new norms of the Constitution.
    2. 0
      18 February 2020 14: 08
      Oh ... but we can’t file property for unlawful arrests in a Tagank court? We can ... and here the flow of foreign enterprises, arresting to the point of failure ...
      1. +4
        18 February 2020 14: 49
        This is closer to the topic than the mythical amendments to the constitution.
        And here everything is straightforward and cynical, can we (the country and those who make the decision here) pull such a war of "seizure of accounts and property" !?
        1. -5
          18 February 2020 15: 14
          Quote: Revival
          This is closer to the topic than the mythical amendments to the constitution.
          And here everything is straightforward and cynical, can we (the country and those who make the decision here) pull such a war of "seizure of accounts and property" !?

          Do not pull and can not. It will not be legal; it will lead practically to martial law. Here the property is not states, but companies that have no relation to history. From them there will be new lawsuits, with huge numbers, and will be willing to make decisions in their favor. And arrest for everything.
          And no leadership, neither present nor future, nor anything at all, will take over the taking of hostages and pirating property, unless you call the Vikings from Somalia to the Kremlin, but this will not be for long.
          Any such case will raise a big question of further cooperation with those who have already come to the Russian Federation, and it would be foolish to dream of new investors. And this will be the isolation of the Russian Federation from the whole world.
          1. +1
            18 February 2020 15: 22
            Absolutely.
            And no amendments will help here, everything will come to the same even with them even without them, so amendments to this issue are empty
  17. +2
    18 February 2020 13: 53
    Russia after that decision to appeal to the district court of the same Hague with a claim on the award of the arbitration.
    Is this something through Google translator or something?)
  18. +3
    18 February 2020 13: 53
    50 billion dollars (according to other sources - 50 billion euros)

    A citizen of a foreign state, pulling on a judicial robe, with a light hand obliges my decision to give the convicted criminal a fifth of our annual budget.
    Our authorities proudly hold the banner of the country on the world stage, nothing can be said.
    1. -2
      18 February 2020 14: 06
      Yes, anyway, what’s said there and made a decision
    2. +2
      18 February 2020 14: 54
      A citizen of a foreign state, pulling on a judicial robe, with a light hand


      Lithuania finally lost in court a dispute with Gazprom, which lasted for almost eight years, over compensation of 1,4 billion euros, which Lithuania considers an overpayment for Russian gas supplies in 2004-2012. In December 2019, the Supreme Court of Sweden (HSC) rejected a request by Lithuania to reconsider the decision of the Swedish Court of Appeal (ACS), according to which Lithuania would not receive 1,4 billion euros for the alleged overpayment for Russian gas.


      We will also be indignant ??)
  19. +4
    18 February 2020 14: 06
    What kind of country is this for us where Yukos can be stolen, stolen, stolen, and then another $ 50 billion lawsuit should be put against us ?!
    Down with capitalism!
    And for Khodorkovsky in our vocabulary there are necessary words, as well as quite expressive gestures ....
    1. +1
      18 February 2020 14: 33
      Have your eyes opened? Not only a hodor stole. Once he stole, it means they gave such an opportunity. Taburetkin and the company, colonels of all stripes with common people for billions of rubles under a mattress do you honestly earned this money? And no one crouched. Lyulyukaev does not count. And for a loaf stolen by a grandmother or a chocolate bar for 5 years as a hello. And yes, we have such a country. Long live the fight against corruption =) there’s absolutely no time for buildup.
  20. -1
    18 February 2020 14: 07
    Now the trolls will run again and shout that everything is gone !!! that Russia will pay tomorrow
    1. +3
      18 February 2020 14: 27
      You have nothing to write about? Everyone was shocked when the Kremlin began to pay Naftogaz. Unfortunately, nothing has changed yet.
      1. -3
        18 February 2020 14: 31
        the trolls have already naminusovat !!!)))) The Kremlin did not pay anything !!! there was a general agreement that there would be no claims for 15 lard
  21. +10
    18 February 2020 14: 08
    The fact is that very soon a clause may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that Russian laws are recognized to prevail over international laws, and the latter will be executed only if they do not strike against Russia's interests.

    But what about, of course, during such an amendment. Because the Kremlin "mega-strategists" have driven themselves where they have driven themselves. Of course, along with the country to boot. And finally, it even dawned on them what the wave of lawsuits, with a predictable outcome, was expected. It's fed. The media, to applause, can give interviews and tell them that everything has been done legally exactly and "the mosquito will not undermine the nose." Go then and prove it in international courts, yeah. Why is this "argument" weak.
    Gazprom’s lawsuit with Naftogaz, this was only the first call. And the same Ukraine, with claims for the Crimea, can claim huge amounts. And already engaged in this issue.
    And there will be a decision in the case of MH17 (I don’t even want to argue about who really is guilty. My (our) opinion will not in any way overturn the court’s decision), which will also probably include compensation, etc. And much more will be.
    But how can such an amendment protect Russia's foreign assets? The foreclosure will be primarily on them.
    Why am I all this. And to the fact that it is still higher than any declared rights in the World - the right of the strong. As the United States demonstrated when the Hague just hinted at international investigations into the US military. For this they did not require any changes in the laws. They hiccuped, said - Sha, and everything calmed down. Therefore, if anyone hopes that after the adoption of these amendments, the Russian Federation will be able to secure at least its property, well, keep your pocket wider. Not with the current government at the helm of the country. If relatives of senior officials, retired officials themselves, live in large numbers on the territory of countries declared unfriendly, then what kind of independence and strength of the country can we talk about? Remember the story of the removal of the flag from the embassy in the United States. Wow, how we all were indignant, wow, how we threatened to find an answer. So how did you find a decent answer? And in other cases (white flag at the Olympics, SP-2, etc.)?
    Well, here it will be the same. They will be awarded, taken away, and we will get angry. And on the talk shows they will correctly explain to the people - that the West is to blame again, we have done everything in the best way again and are getting up from our knees. But for some reason, officials (and their children) of the country "raised from their knees under Putin," whatever laws you do not pass, will for some reason continue to strive in the USA, England and Germany. And not at home. Riddle. hi
    1. +2
      18 February 2020 14: 24
      I agree, in the world, as before, the strong is right, and the weak have to rely on the laws!
    2. -4
      18 February 2020 14: 28
      the only problem is that Russia will not be able to pay, otherwise the end.
  22. -4
    18 February 2020 14: 11
    When they say there is a vote. On the constitution ????
    1. 0
      18 February 2020 14: 26
      in May there will be a vote
      1. -3
        18 February 2020 16: 39
        Thanks you.
  23. 0
    18 February 2020 14: 22
    From a dead donkey ears, not money!
  24. +2
    18 February 2020 14: 24
    Quote: kjhg
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    Yes, no one will pay and do not worry

    Money was transferred to Naftogaz in a week. Although before that all our officials "swore by their mother" that they would not pay anything. I mean, never say never. Purely theoretically, the court, in order to collect the debt, can seize the oil supplied by Russia to the EU. The mechanism for breeding suckers in the West has long been worked out. Where is Muamarr Gaddafi's money? Where is Saddam Hussein's money? And fresh, where is Venezuela's money?

    Do not make yourself misunderstood. You all know very well, but scribble constantly forum anti-Russian comments.

    In short, paying a fixed amount to Ukraine was an exchange for:
    1. Refusal of any other claims by Ukraine. Now they can not sue either about the tariffs for pumping, or about the price, in general for no reason.
    2. Decrease in the level of gas supplies through Ukraine several times, which the Europeans resisted, but what was squeezed.

    In other words, a complete and final settlement of the issue on Ukraine, primarily with Europe, for a fixed amount not large on the scale of contracts, and not just for some kind of spherical vacuum tranche for no reason.
    1. 0
      18 February 2020 15: 01
      constantly write anti-Russian comments on the forum.

      And what did he write anti-Russian ??

      Money was transferred to Naftogaz in a week. Although before that all our officials "swore by their mother" that they would not pay anything.


      3 lard paid - this is a fact ..

      Want to call it an exchange ?? For God's sake..

      Disclaimer of any other claims from Ukraine. Now they cannot sue neither about the tariffs for pumping, nor about the price, generally for no reason.

      If the Russian Federation went to this exchange, then in order to avoid CLAIMS and to JUDGE.

      Further - when they will pay 50 billion (well, if) .. will we also call it EXCHANGE ??
      Say, we did not pay anything, but simply made an exchange for .. And then what you yourself wrote above ..

      So do not engage in a substitution of concepts ..
      How they paid 3 lard - according to the same concepts, and 50 can be .. "In other words, the complete and final settlement of the issue" Call it even a lawsuit, even an exchange ..
    2. 0
      18 February 2020 15: 57
      . Refusal of any other claims by Ukraine. Now they can not sue either about the tariffs for pumping, or about the price, in general for no reason.

      Who told you that? There, they talked about stopping only those gas transit cases that have already been opened and nothing more.
      Just now the article was asking in court to pay for Naftogaz property in Crimea
    3. 0
      18 February 2020 16: 07
      Is this done in any way?
  25. -1
    18 February 2020 14: 25
    Quote: Kronos
    Putin - while I am president, we will not raise the retirement age

    Give a link to his speech or video where he says these words.
    1. +1
      18 February 2020 14: 28

      Did you want this?
      1. -1
        18 February 2020 14: 30
        Yes thank you
  26. +1
    18 February 2020 14: 25
    The case drags on for a long time, the courts are working and will continue ...
  27. -2
    18 February 2020 14: 25
    One thief raped another and so on in a circle - everything is in law.
    1. -2
      18 February 2020 14: 37
      only now the panas are fighting at the lackeys forelocks are cracking
  28. +1
    18 February 2020 14: 28
    In general, if you think about it, it becomes strange that shareholders are suing the state, which has stopped illegal activities, and not the "leaders" of these joint-stock companies.
  29. -1
    18 February 2020 14: 28
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    do you want to pay 50?

    They want to scribble comments, increasing their counter and getting their pennies for it.
  30. -3
    18 February 2020 14: 40
    Quote: Leshy1975
    But how can such an amendment protect Russia's foreign assets? The foreclosure will be primarily on them.

    There will be no penalties. In Russia, a huge amount of investments of foreign companies, and the number of investments in Russia is growing significantly. Including, for your information, US pension funds are invested in Russia.
    Small European countries simply won’t be able to do such things. Germany, like France, will not do this, they have already shown the vector of movement.

    Therefore, your fantasies will remain fantasies.
    1. +2
      18 February 2020 14: 51
      There are big doubts that this will be done.
      If we begin to take away assets from investors as a response to the actions of the courts of their countries, then the outflow of investors is inevitable.
  31. -3
    18 February 2020 14: 42
    50 lards ?! And why not just 500 ?!
  32. -6
    18 February 2020 14: 44
    It's time to "collect stones"
  33. -3
    18 February 2020 15: 17
    We must send them on a distant erotic tour, along with everyone who is trying to breed Russia for money.
  34. +5
    18 February 2020 15: 18
    Some court of a kingdom of the Netherlands obliges Russia to pay 50 KAMAZ greens to the former convict and his accomplices.
    Are they serious?
  35. -1
    18 February 2020 15: 30
    Let Khodorkovsky come to Russia for them and demand or take himself to the fullest in the mines with a Kyle!
  36. -1
    18 February 2020 15: 32
    But now, the Hague Court of Appeal has again ruled that “Russia has a big debt.” In the documents of the Appeal the court appears the amount of $ 50 billion...

    And DAM said that there is no money, but we did not believe him ...
    There is one good suggestion - to repay the debts with “expensive” ($ 1 per unit) nuclear warheads ... wassat Though right to court ... crying and, at least, to Khodorkovsky himself in London ... crying crying
    This will kill two birds with one stone ... feel
  37. +3
    18 February 2020 15: 32
    Indeed, very soon, a clause may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that Russian laws are recognized as the dominant ones over international laws, and the latter will be executed only if they do not strike against the interests of Russia.

    Oh! belay And who ratified these international laws in our country, that they beat and beat on the interests of the Russian Federation and what is now preventing us from withdrawing from these treaties, that it is necessary to directly change the OZ RF? Perhaps this is again the evil communists planted a bomb under the "braces". lol
  38. -2
    18 February 2020 15: 41
    As I understand it, "the pig will always find dirt." And such a dashing verdict is not the first time that European (read interested) chicks have passed an anti-Russian verdict. And "our" legislators are to blame for this. I mean, parasites from the State Duma. The law on privatization has been worked out excellently, but they somehow forgot about the normal law on nationalization ... Why? Full feeling that it is intentional.
  39. 0
    18 February 2020 15: 51
    I do not agree with the author - this court is not connected with a POSSIBLE amendment to the Constitution, but with Gazprom's consent to blackmail Ukraine to pay for gas consumption until the Nord Stream is completed. "The blackmailer should be willing to pay forever for any reason."
  40. 0
    18 February 2020 15: 57
    This is how little Holland bends Big Russia .. And they will pay ... And then they will carry out the next pension reform .. Russia is a generous soul! For those who remember the upcoming amendments to our Constitution, this is not for this case "the supremacy of domestic laws and international laws." amendments to the local constitutions do not concern .. - there are rules of the game .. And then, we are not the United States, to spit on world rules and laws .. We will fly in for spitting .. So they will pay .. And then the partners will be offended and deals they will not conclude .. And Poland has to pay .. And the Baltic states .. and indeed the whole of Europe .. An amazing thing - since the 90s lawyers in the country, like dung flies in a bathhouse in the village, and in litigation the country all the way in the accused .. to see the fees from the accused side will be more likely ...
    1. -1
      19 February 2020 12: 40
      nothing to pay))))
  41. -2
    18 February 2020 16: 00
    And in The Hague there are also Aronovskys!
    It is teeming.
    They do not abandon their own.
  42. +2
    18 February 2020 16: 20
    They will pay and will pay extra. Oligarchic monkeys have the main loot in the West. To confiscate it is a piece of cake. With this leverage, the West can do whatever it wants. Which he does. It will be necessary and 500 billion will be paid. Well, talking dolls on TV will explain to us that this is a "cunning plan". The plan is really cunning, only against Russia.
  43. -4
    18 February 2020 16: 28
    It’s a matter of reading, and so it’s difficult to judge
  44. +4
    18 February 2020 16: 37
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    Yes, no one will pay and do not worry

    But the arrests of Russian property will begin, it will have to move. They will create some kind of commission, we won’t pay everything, but some compensation will be agreed. And they will quietly pay from the budget.
    BUT THIS IS NOT THE MAIN THING !!! And the old owners of the enterprise, that the new ones are ALL THIEFS. To "squeeze out" the business in our conditions, when using the administrative resource, is as easy as shelling pears. They just squeezed some of them and gave them to others.
    As a result, the first will be with money, the second with production, officials with kickbacks. All costs will be borne by the ordinary taxpayer, the Russian budget. angry hi hi
  45. -7
    18 February 2020 16: 48
    Avaricious pays twice, stupid three times, Russia always pays.
  46. -1
    18 February 2020 16: 53
    Quote: Avior
    There are big doubts that this will be done.
    If we begin to take away assets from investors as a response to the actions of the courts of their countries, then the outflow of investors is inevitable.

    You do not understand the point. Nobody will take anything, neither on this nor on this side. There is a threat of equal penalties, so no one will deal with the escalation of this issue for the sake of someone's idiotic political processes. Business is able to push through their interests, including through legalized lobbying mechanisms in the West.
  47. 0
    18 February 2020 17: 00
    Well, it's easier to build 62 K-560 Severodvinsk nuclear submarines with full ammunition of hypersonic Zircons and send them to the shores of Europe to argue their position! Are they even there in themselves, what are 50 billion dollars?
  48. +3
    18 February 2020 17: 14
    Here, it is - the price of "registration" in Europe: "Pay and repent ..."
    The weakness of the Russian Federation, depending on the "elite". And the weak are already beaten well by some "courts from The Hague," the US Treasury, Stockholm "vaults" and other world crooks.
    Russia has not seen such a shame for a very long time.
  49. -4
    18 February 2020 17: 21
    I wonder where it came from. That the internal affairs of an independent state are decided by some European courts.
  50. -3
    18 February 2020 18: 16
    So should or not? How fast they change their minds. Is it worth trusting such a court? Maybe just send? ..
  51. +2
    18 February 2020 18: 26
    The problem is easily solved.. The whole story is that at one time it was Khodorkovsky who should have changed the GDP after the first term of the presidency.. This was the plan for Russia. After Yeltsin, a security official comes (as the people asked), after the security official comes a manager... But something broke, and Khodorkovsky, instead of the president’s chair, sat on the bunk, and the country met an obscure LADY.. And the whole agreement with the powers that be was ruined copper basin.. We need to elect Khodorkovsky as president urgently. And all the claims against Russia will end... One hell, both those who are now in power and those who were and are next to Khodorkovsky, except for pumping and selling oil, do not know how to do anything... And that means for the people in the country, in essence nothing will change.. They write here that Hodor has blood on his hands.. You might think that other oligarchs have clean ones.. Everyone “earned” their billions in the same way.. - they squeezed, captured, blackmailed and pressed.. and stole, of course.. This is grotesque and sarcasm, if anything... And you can easily find money to pay the court. - Sell the Kuril Islands to the Japanese, for example.. Or the Khabarovsk Territory to China.. And then suddenly the accounts of the Kremlin tenants will really be seized in the West.. - how will they live, poor people?
  52. 0
    18 February 2020 18: 29
    Quote: Mentat
    Quote: Leshy1975
    But how can such an amendment protect Russia's foreign assets? The foreclosure will be primarily on them.

    There will be no penalties. In Russia, a huge amount of investments of foreign companies, and the number of investments in Russia is growing significantly. Including, for your information, US pension funds are invested in Russia.
    Small European countries simply won’t be able to do such things. Germany, like France, will not do this, they have already shown the vector of movement.

    Therefore, your fantasies will remain fantasies.

    Oh, how the local liburda doesn’t like the truth. It hurts my eyes, they rushed to minus, poor fellows)

    What really prevents you from spreading mythology on the forum, pushing your negativity, scaring someone? Where did you find the naive people here? The deranged schoolboy go somewhere else and look for him, the censor and echo is all yours.
    1. -6
      18 February 2020 18: 35
      The naive ones are those who write that payments are impossible in principle.
  53. -4
    18 February 2020 18: 50
    Why should Russian forum members worry about whether it will pay or not? Yes, of course he will pay 50 lard. What do we need? What exactly will change for you and me? NEVER MIND!!! Unfortunately, of course, but sooner or later the money will have to be given away fellow sad
    1. -3
      18 February 2020 21: 02
      If they pay, this money will be taken from ordinary citizens
  54. 0
    18 February 2020 19: 16
    On the way to the fork they grab it. After news of US sanctions against Rosneft Trading, Rosneft shares fell by more than 5%, according to exchange data. And this is not about the duck, but about the egg in it.
  55. -2
    18 February 2020 19: 33
    From a dead donkey ears.
  56. +1
    18 February 2020 20: 07
    By the way, this process for 50 billion is direct proof that sanctions would have been applied to Russia even without Crimea and Ukraine. That this process, that the Magnitsky list existed before Ukraine. The amount itself, 50 billion, is simply unprecedented in world practice. Yukos would never have earned that much, and his property is even more incommensurate with this amount. According to Magnitsky’s list, a bunch of property and investments were squeezed out of a certain circle of people abroad. (the state then compensated them for the damage with our money) Western capital needs development (expansion), otherwise stagnation. This is the law of economics. All possibilities for expansion in Eastern Europe have already been exhausted, and in the world itself, therefore it is possible to expand only at the expense of Russia (its natural resources in the first place). The modern world has defined us as a “ritual bull.” Absolutely everyone wants money or free resources from us, even Belarusians, not to mention the Turks and Chinese, Labuses and Ukrainians. And the situation is aggravated by the policy of our state: “even if there is a flood tomorrow, as long as you sell gas today, you don’t care about us if you buy gas.” In my opinion, it’s either fight or kneel before the West and self-destruct. They won’t leave us any other way. But who will go to fight for the oligarchs?????
    1. -1
      18 February 2020 21: 04
      This is not so, Russia recently won the case against Lithuania, that is, there is no point in saying that they are specifically biased against Russia
      1. -1
        18 February 2020 21: 29
        And 50 lard is not a biased attitude?????? YUKOS produced our oil and we still owe them??? I could agree if the amount was 10-15 times less. And this is clearly a political move. Most countries have an annual GDP less than that. If we pay, the next claim will be larger. If we don’t pay, they will confiscate everything and put pressure on us. And in the Lithuanian process there will still be an appeal, so it’s a pitchfork in the water. Naftogaz is also preparing a lawsuit for 8 billion. They will win it 100%.
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  57. -2
    18 February 2020 21: 26
    Hmmm. But now it no longer seems a joke to provide security for the vessel “Akademik Chersky”. For Russia's debts in the amount of $50 billion to the ex-shareholders of YUKOS, the only pipelayer of the Russian Federation, which is supposed to complete the construction of Nord Stream 2, may already be arrested.
  58. BAI
    +1
    18 February 2020 22: 17
    It is worth noting that the court decision in The Hague, according to which tens of billions of dollars are demanded from Russia “in favor of YUKOS shareholders,” was made at this time not by chance. After all, very soon a clause may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation stating that

    This decision has nothing to do with the Constitution of the Russian Federation. The turn just came and an obvious decision was made in the conditions of anti-Russian hysteria, directed against Russia. Rather, changes to the Constitution will be tailored to this decision. And others that will inevitably appear. I think we should expect a revival of the Swiss Leg case.
  59. +2
    18 February 2020 22: 49
    Too lazy to read 355 comments. But isn’t this an undermining of SP2? We will finish building it ourselves, and they will squeeze it under this yukos, beautifully and according to the law. How do you like the combination?
    1. -1
      19 February 2020 12: 34
      You can only squeeze out a 100% state-owned company
  60. 0
    18 February 2020 23: 43
    Quote: Dikson
    The problem is easily solved.. The whole story is that at one time it was Khodorkovsky who should have changed the GDP after the first term of the presidency.. This was the plan for Russia. After Yeltsin, a security official comes (as the people asked), after the security official comes a manager... But something broke, and Khodorkovsky, instead of the president’s chair, sat on the bunk, and the country met an obscure LADY.. And the whole agreement with the powers that be was ruined copper basin.. We need to elect Khodorkovsky as president urgently. And all the claims against Russia will end... One hell, both those who are now in power and those who were and are next to Khodorkovsky, except for pumping and selling oil, do not know how to do anything... And that means for the people in the country, in essence nothing will change.. They write here that Hodor has blood on his hands.. You might think that other oligarchs have clean ones.. Everyone “earned” their billions in the same way.. - they squeezed, captured, blackmailed and pressed.. and stole, of course.. This is grotesque and sarcasm, if anything... And you can easily find money to pay the court. - Sell the Kuril Islands to the Japanese, for example.. Or the Khabarovsk Territory to China.. And then suddenly the accounts of the Kremlin tenants will really be seized in the West.. - how will they live, poor people?

    Is anyone else upvoting this abomination about Khodorkovsky for president?
    There are interesting “forum users” here, straight from a Western nursery for breeding Judas.
    1. -2
      19 February 2020 00: 39
      The abomination is that it was so... But here’s another way not to pay... - take and quickly rename the country... and change the system... to a monarchy, for example.. And tell the whole world, like Ilyich did in his time : We are not the USSR and not the Russian Federation, we are the Russian Empire, we will not pay anything to anyone, it is you who will return Alaska to us.. And California.. And another half of Europe..
  61. 0
    19 February 2020 02: 23
    “After their victory in the appeal court in The Hague, the former shareholders of YUKOS will seek the seizure of Russian property abroad,” said the former co-owner of the oil company Leonid Nevzlin.

    “Our goal is to recover property and funds from Russia in other countries,” Forbes quotes Nevzlin. According to him, the decision of the Hague Tribunal will allow them to do this. He stressed that in some states it is yet to “test the applicability of the decision of the Hague Court,” but in other countries it will be easy to achieve an arrest. The ex-YUKOS shareholder expressed the opinion that Russia will delay time by protesting the decision of the Hague Court." https://ura.news/news/1052419412?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews
  62. -1
    19 February 2020 03: 10
    Therefore, the adoption of an amendment to the Constitution was announced, where national legislation will prevail over international legislation. Let's draw conclusions!
  63. +2
    19 February 2020 03: 48
    - “This long-term dispute is related to the interests of, among other things, foreign shareholders of the (former) Russian oil company” - who would doubt it!!! We need to protect our thieves and swindlers, but no one cares that Russia was robbed. The most “fair” court in the world, i.e. “a raven will not peck out a raven’s eye.”
  64. -1
    19 February 2020 05: 29
    Shish them to thieves and not money! They have grabbed the goods of the USSR even now and the money is asking! in fact, it wasn’t theirs! and the people's! ok, they grabbed it and worked for the good of the country.. they immediately dumped it over the hill and from there the dogs are barking!
  65. +1
    19 February 2020 07: 46
    Yes, but you and I will have to pay.
    In general, this is a problem for our managers, don’t you think? How to justify their salary and bonuses to it - they are STARS, but how to protect the interests of the country is so empty...
    The same problems were in Stockholm, these are the problems of those who write - in this case there was an agreement with Naftogaz, they wrote it crookedly - clues appeared that were implemented in the court decision.
    And according to Yukos, all companies in our country grew rich from non-payment of taxes, murders of people who interfere with them, bribery of officials, etc. and so on.
    You and I will have to pay for this
  66. 0
    19 February 2020 08: 34
    And it began, like... Khodorkovsky and his friends. And the fact that, in essence, they simply stole and divided among themselves the most successful company at that time, everyone unanimously forgot. Well, yes, you don’t run a business, land for workers and all that :)
    Well, to all the joyful ones, I wish that you too will be stolen and divided :)))
  67. 0
    19 February 2020 09: 20
    Yes, they do everything for a reason. They don't even know the words there. Rob the loot - it lasts forever!
  68. +1
    19 February 2020 10: 15
    And how the media rejoiced - we won’t pay, we won’t pay, we won....
    Silently that we pay small claims, and the “district court” can only drag out the case...

    By the way, both Norilsk Nickel and Rusal (offshore Russian?? non-Russian??? companies) are all patriotic owners and are being sued in London. In the Royal High Court - is that what it sounds like?
    This is spelled out right in the statutes....

    And Khodorkovsky (like the leader of an organized crime group, with serial killers and thieves) - it seems they were released on the personal orders of Himself.... Grandma asked? Or aunt?
  69. 0
    19 February 2020 10: 35
    Quote: Barmaleyka
    Quote: Oleg1
    Enough ... and there are factories and factories, oh tidbits ...

    kindergarten pants with straps, name at least one with state capital

    Children's pants with straps. Name at least one of our companies that operates in the West and is 100% state-owned; it does not count as state participation; there, the court decision does not apply to private owners in their share. Oh, these are all the losers...
  70. 0
    19 February 2020 16: 03
    "Russia has the legal opportunity to challenge this decision by filing an appeal to the Supreme Court of the Kingdom of the Netherlands."
    What for? Russia does not recognize the jurisdiction of this court!
    “Despite the lack of clear and unambiguous consent of the Russian Federation to such arbitration proceedings, the Court of Appeal of The Hague did not listen to the opinions and arguments of the District Court of The Hague...”

    So, the worst thing that can happen is the seizure of the property of our companies for a while, as practice already showed several years ago. If the demands of Yukos shareholders are realized, the property of the states where such chaos will occur will be confiscated in Russia in a mirror image!
    see: Federal Law of November 3, 2015 N 297-FZ “On jurisdictional immunities of a foreign state and property of a foreign state in the Russian Federation”
    So, the worst thing that can happen is the seizure of the property of our companies for a while, as practice already showed several years ago. If the demands of Yukos shareholders are realized, the property of the states where such chaos will occur will be confiscated in Russia in a mirror image!

    Threat, stop being hysterical! At! Two!
    1. 0
      19 February 2020 16: 57
      There is only one way out here, this is an exit from the jurisdiction of the Hague Arbitration Court, otherwise the claims will be repeated again and again, the same Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states, even Belarus, regarding fears about the seizure of property from Russia, of course, if we are afraid, then our fear will be used by all and sundry and will be confiscated, so we will have to frighten in return by stopping gas supplies to Europe, closing the flight of passenger planes over our territory, stopping the escort of ships by the icebreaker fleet, refusing agreements to pay any fines and penalties, canceling any debts of our citizens to them. The serious threat alone of stopping gas supplies for a long period, a year or two, will bring more losses to Europe than the value of the property of our companies upon confiscation. and who needs it there if it is sold at auction.
      1. 0
        19 February 2020 17: 13
        Dear, we don’t recognize its jurisdiction anyway, this is pure profanation, therefore....
  71. 0
    19 February 2020 17: 07
    Ears from a dead donkey. Where is our Comrade Bender.
  72. 0
    19 February 2020 17: 15
    It was necessary to let Hodor go only after property rights had been settled. Putin decided to show off his humanity, now we’re going to screw him.
    1. 0
      19 February 2020 17: 50
      Quote: Oleg1
      Dear, we don’t recognize its jurisdiction anyway, this is pure profanation, therefore....

      ... we don’t recognize it, but nevertheless we are going to challenge his decisions
  73. 0
    20 February 2020 06: 35
    Quote: krot
    It was necessary to make sure that this freak did not get out of prison! $ 50 billion, this is not weak for the country's budget) Khodorkovsky doesn’t care that if they pay, then this money will go away from pensioners, subsidies, sick, poor, state employees ..

    In the near future, Ukraine will sell us on for assets in Crimea. Whether to comply or not, since the Russian Federation has filed an appeal, it means it recognizes the jurisdiction of the court. This means we will have to pay, otherwise the property will be seized