The court in The Hague demanded that Russia pay 50 billion in the Yukos case


From the Netherlands, there was a message about a court decision in The Hague in a case commonly referred to as the "Yukos affair" or the "Khodorkovsky affair." We are talking about the decision of the so-called Court of Appeal, which noted the decision of another Dutch court.


This long-standing dispute is connected with the interests of, inter alia, foreign shareholders (former) of the Russian oil company. In 2014, the international arbitration court announced the decision that the Russian state is obliged to pay a large sum of money to Yukos shareholders. This amount was calculated in a number with 9 zeros - in dollars. After that decision, Russia appealed to the district court of the same Hague with a claim to annul the decision of the arbitration.

Then the judges of the district court issued a verdict in favor of Russia.

But now the Hague Court of Appeal has once again issued a verdict stating that "Russia has a big debt." The documents of the Court of Appeal featured an amount of 50 billion dollars (according to other sources - 50 billion euros). And the decision of the Hague District Court was recognized as a "mistake." It is the amount of 50 billion that requires Russia to pay the “former shareholders” the court of The Hague.

Russia has a legal opportunity to challenge this decision by appealing to the Supreme Court of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

It is worth noting that the decision of the court in The Hague, according to which tens of billions of dollars are required of Russia “in favor of Yukos shareholders,” was made at that time not by chance. Indeed, very soon a clause may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that Russian laws are recognized to prevail over international laws, and the latter will be executed only if they do not strike against Russia's interests.
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  1. Sergey39 18 February 2020 13: 27 New
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    How smartly the Hague worked. So far, amendments to the constitution have not been adopted. Only this is unlikely to help.
    1. dorz 18 February 2020 13: 28 New
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      pay $ 50 billion ...

      Muzzle will not crack?
      1. Evdokim 18 February 2020 13: 32 New
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        Quote: dorz
        Muzzle will not crack?

        Who? Khodorkovsky?
        1. krot 18 February 2020 13: 37 New
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          It was necessary to make sure that this freak did not get out of prison! $ 50 billion, this is not weak for the country's budget) Khodorkovsky doesn’t care that if they pay, then this money will go away from pensioners, subsidies, sick, poor, state employees ..
          1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 13: 41 New
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            Yes, no one will pay and do not worry
            1. Kronos 18 February 2020 13: 47 New
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              Why did it happen ?
              1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 13: 52 New
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                Putin himself said when they first arrested
                1. Kronos 18 February 2020 13: 53 New
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                  Putin - while I am president, we will not raise the retirement age
                  1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 14: 18 New
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                    This is not even the point. They will not pay according to a decision that has entered into legal force - arrests of Russian property abroad will begin.
                    1. lucul 18 February 2020 14: 32 New
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                      They will not pay according to a decision that has entered into legal force - arrests of Russian property abroad will begin.

                      Don't give a damn.
                      We have adopted a law on force impact, in which case, regardless of the location of the object in the world.
                      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 14: 36 New
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                        But for some reason, Naftogaz preferred to pay three billion on a regular basis, although it would seem that it is much easier to act on Ukraine by force than on the Hague.
                      2. lucul 18 February 2020 14: 39 New
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                        But for some reason they preferred to pay three billion to Naftogaz Ukrainy on a regular basis, although it would seem that it is much easier to act on them forcefully than on the Hague.

                        Spit.
                        Today you will give $ 50 billion to this Jew Hodor - so tomorrow they will demand $ 100 billion for the occupation of the Baltic states - or the arrest of property. If you pay for the Baltic states - they will demand $ 1 trillion for the occupation of Poland - or the seizure of property. And so they will milk forever.
                        Therefore, they do not care about their Wishlist from the word at all. These are all Jewish machinations.
                      3. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 14: 41 New
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                        Well, about Naftogaz’s claims they first wrote “spit”, and then somehow it didn’t give a damn ...
                      4. lucul 18 February 2020 14: 42 New
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                        Well, about Naftogaz’s claims, they first wrote “spit”, and then somehow it didn’t give a damn.

                        Are you Jewish ? Judging by the dialogue, your mentality is female.
                      5. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 14: 44 New
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                        Transition to individuals is a sure sign of essentially ended arguments.
                      6. lucul 18 February 2020 14: 45 New
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                        Transition to individuals is a sure sign of essentially ended arguments.

                        So women usually respond ....
                        I did not expect another answer))))
                      7. Donald72 18 February 2020 16: 06 New
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                        Direct comments read disgusting. Like in the kindergarten "you are stupid. Because I have nothing more to say." They are not capable of leading a dispute. Only on the individual. Shame!
                    2. vik669 18 February 2020 15: 57 New
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                      Yes, it’s beaten not in the passport, but in the face, so ...!
                    3. tatarin_ru 18 February 2020 21: 34 New
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                      Transition to individuals is a sure sign of essentially ended arguments.

                      Well, this is not uncommon, usually one or two, not even an argument, but opinions, then emotions in the best case. 21st century however)))))
                2. Viktor Sergeev 18 February 2020 15: 35 New
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                  Do not confuse the dispute between private companies and the state. It is practically impossible to recover money from the state, since companies are not liable for the debts of their country. It seems like there is a debt, but it seems like you can paste the toilet over with the decisions of The Hague.
                3. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 15: 38 New
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                  It is realistic to recover money from anyone who has property that can be arrested. When property is under arrest, all these searches for the ends abruptly cease to be the plaintiff's problem and become the defendant's problem.
                4. Lopatov 18 February 2020 15: 51 New
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                  Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                  who has property that can be arrested.

                  And if this is not?
                  I mean, there is property, but to arrest him is more expensive for himself.
                5. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 16: 30 New
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                  Quote: Spade
                  I mean, there is property, but to arrest him is more expensive for himself.
                  Then this "more expensive" is expressed in cash and is recovered in the form of compensation for legal costs. Until they are paid off, the arrest is not lifted.
                6. Lopatov 18 February 2020 16: 33 New
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                  Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                  Then it's "more expensive"

                  No, “dearer to oneself” means to undermine one’s authority by arresting, for example, an exit exhibition of a museum. Or run into retaliatory measures by seizing diplomatic property. Americans in the know.

                  Once again, Russia’s property will have to be arrested. States. Not firms, not private individuals, namely the state.
                  It seems that here they are not particularly aware.
                7. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 16: 41 New
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                  Quote: Spade
                  it means undermining your own authority
                  Sorry, this is not serious. The authority will only be undermined by the Russian media audience, and in this audience the authority of the jurisdictions in which the Yukos shareholders are located is not very large.

                  Quote: Spade
                  Or run into retaliatory measures
                  Well then, the one with the more and more friendly arrestor will win.
                8. Lopatov 18 February 2020 17: 36 New
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                  Sorry, this is not serious.

                  For you, maybe.
                  In general, the state’s non-fulfillment of its own guarantees, to put it mildly, reduces such a state to a sub-base level.
                  They spread rot, they are turned off from the international exhibition process, such insurers give out wild rates.

                  Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                  Well then, the one with the more and more friendly arrestor will win.

                  Do they need it?
                  Violate international law and lose property for the sake of Russian thieves ... +
                9. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 18: 01 New
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                  Quote: Spade
                  In general, the state’s non-fulfillment of its own guarantees, to put it mildly, reduces such a state to a sub-base level.
                  This is your subjective opinion. For other people, it may be different.

                  Quote: Spade
                  Do they need it?
                  It’s necessary, because if it turns out that you can’t give a damn about the decisions of the Hague court, and there’s nothing for you, then next time no one will execute the decisions of the Hague court. The principle of inevitability.
                10. Lopatov 18 February 2020 18: 10 New
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                  This is your subjective opinion.

                  This is reality.
                  And in accordance with this reality, our calmly transported and carry cultural property through exhibitions.
                  Despite all these “Feet,” “Yukos,” and others.

                  And any judicial attacks ended in zilch.
                  Nobody wants to become an outcast.
                  After all, nobody will be lucky in such a country. Generally. And not a single insurer will insure such an exhibition.

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                  It’s necessary, because if it turns out that the decisions of the Hague court can not be spit

                  Everyone has been spitting on him for a long time. Some are especially savory, like Americans. They do not just refuse to comply, they threaten sanctions.
                11. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 18: 16 New
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                  Despite all these “Feet,”
                  Here is a great example. The oligarchs had to redeem debts to Noga in order to stop property arrests.

                  Quote: Spade
                  Everyone has been spitting on him for a long time.
                  Well, let's see how he spits on him in the suit of the Yukos shareholders, just as successfully as in the suit of Naftogaz, or is it still more successful.
                12. Lopatov 18 February 2020 18: 26 New
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                  Here is a great example. The oligarchs had to redeem debts to Noga in order to stop property arrests.

                  Maybe you should not compose fairy tales? Especially considering that we are on the Internet ...


                  Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                  Well, let's see how he spits on him at the suit of the Yukos shareholders,

                  Well, the lawsuit didn’t give a damn about the suit.
                  And nothing...
                  They themselves must have remained.
                13. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 18: 28 New
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                  In March 2006, an American businessman of Russian origin Alex Kogan bought from French banks BNP Paribas and Credit Lyonnais, as well as the Swiss Banque cantonale de Genève [fr] Russian debt to Noga for a total of about $ 70 million, [7] which in December 2007 years he bought the Ministry of Finance of Russia. [8]
                14. Lopatov 18 February 2020 18: 35 New
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                  Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                  In March 2006, an American businessman of Russian origin Alex Kogan bought from French banks BNP Paribas and Credit Lyonnais, as well as the Swiss Banque cantonale de Genève [fr] Russian debt to Noga for a total of about $ 70 million, [7] which in December 2007 years he bought the Ministry of Finance of Russia. [8]

                  Once again, we are on the Internet.
                  there is a huge difference between 70 million and 1.5 billion.
                15. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 18: 38 New
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                  OK, I won’t insist, I didn’t study this case, I just heard from the corner of my ear that a “businessman of Russian origin” had bought out debt obligations. Then Russia has the hope of not paying $ 50bn, so we'll see.
            2. Arpad 19 February 2020 09: 32 New
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              Maybe you should not compose fairy tales? Especially considering that we are on the Internet

              you are probably missing one very important detail
              In 2008, Noga's lawyers tried in Swiss courts to seek recognition of an agreement signed in 2002 with a Swiss lawyer Martin Schwartz, who allegedly acted on behalf of the Russian government, according to which Russia pledged to pay $ 800 million and interest on debt. The point in this litigation was put by the Swiss Federal Court
              in December 2008 (the decision was made public in January 2009. The court upheld the decisions of the lower court and the International Arbitration Court, also obliging Noga to reimburse the court costs to the court and Russia for a total of 210 thousand francs. [1] [12] [13] ]

              Although Noga was ultimately defeated in a long-standing judicial conflict with Russia, at the same time, according to the Russian press, since 1991, it has received about $ 680 million from Russia under previously concluded contracts.

              The foot lost the courts.
              Nevertheless, a portion of the compensation for previous claims is eligible.
              I repeat once again - the LEG has lost the courts.
              YUKOS - for today won.
              A big difference, as they say in Odessa.
            3. Lopatov 19 February 2020 09: 43 New
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              Quote: Arpad
              The foot lost the courts.

              Yeah. And went broke. And the owner was evicted from the hotel

              And the beginning of all this was a victory in court
              What hints laughing laughing laughing

              Quote: Arpad
              YUKOS - for today won.

              "Leg" also "at the moment won" And more than once. Which again hints ...
            4. Arpad 19 February 2020 11: 01 New
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              "Leg" also "at the moment won" And more than once. Which again hints

              when Leg won the courts, it received compensation. at the time of appeal and loss - compensation ceased.
              The leg managed to get about 680 million dollars.
              I do not quite understand your comment.
              To date, Yukos has won and will begin to recover debts. what will happen tomorrow - time will tell.
              today's realities are such that Yukos shareholders are required to return 50 billion.
            5. Lopatov 19 February 2020 11: 02 New
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              Quote: Arpad
              when Leg won the courts - received compensation

              Lying is bad.
              And lying on the Internet is also stupid
            6. Arpad 19 February 2020 11: 22 New
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              Quote: Spade
              Lying is bad.
              And lying on the Internet is also stupid

              were you banned in google?
              Although Noga was ultimately defeated in a long-standing judicial conflict with Russia, at the same time, according to the Russian press, since 1991, it has received about $ 680 million from Russia under previously concluded contracts.
  2. Arpad 19 February 2020 09: 26 New
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    Once again, Russia’s property will have to be arrested. States. Not firms

    just look at the list and understand that the dispute is at least not appropriate here
    https://mai.ru/events/irf/ip/list_companies.php
    List of state-owned companies
    APPROVED
    decision of the Government Commission
    on high technology and innovation
    dated August 3, 2010, protocol No. 4

    П Е Р Е Ч Е Н Ь
    joint-stock companies with state participation, state corporations, federal
    state unitary enterprises.

    Company name

    Federal executive authority (branch agency)

    SC Rosatom

    GC "Russian Technologies"

    Mipromtorg of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company RusHydro

    Ministry of Energy of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company Federal Grid Company of the Unified Energy System

    Ministry of Energy of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company Holding MRSK

    Ministry of Energy of Russia

    Open joint-stock company "Oil company" Rosneft "

    Ministry of Energy of Russia

    Open Joint Stock Company "Gazprom"

    Ministry of Energy of Russia

    Joint Stock Company "Transport Joint Stock Company

    oil Transneft

    Ministry of Energy of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company RAO Energy Systems of the East

    Ministry of Energy of Russia

    Open Joint Stock Company "Aeroflot - Russian Airlines"

    Ministry of Transport of Russia

    Open Joint Stock Company "United Aircraft Corporation"

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company Modern Commercial Fleet (Sovcomflot)

    Ministry of Transport of Russia

    Open Joint Stock Company "Russian Railways"

    Ministry of Transport of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company "Air Defense Concern" Almaz-Antey "

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company United Shipbuilding Corporation

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

    Tactical Missile Arms Corporation Open Joint Stock Company

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company Avtovaz

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

    Open joint-stock company "Military-Industrial Corporation" Scientific-Production Association of Mechanical Engineering "

    Roskosmos

    Open Joint-Stock Company "Rocket and Space Corporation" Energy "named after SP. Korolev"

    Roskosmos

    FSUE GKNPTS named after MV Khrunichev

    Roskosmos

    Open Joint-Stock Company Investment Telecommunications Company

    Ministry of Communications of Russia

    Closed Joint-Stock Company Joint-Stock Company Alrosa

    Ministry of Finance of Russia

    Group 2 - companies for which monitoring the development and implementation of innovative development programs is implemented by federal executive bodies

    Company name

    Federal executive authority (branch agency)

    Open Joint-Stock Company "Radio Engineering Concern" Vega "

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company "Concern" Constellation "

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company Concern Marine Underwater Weapons - Hydropribor

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company Center for the Technology of Shipbuilding and Ship Repair

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company "Concern" Scientific and Production Association "Aurora"

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

    Open joint-stock company "Corporation" Roskhimzashita "

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company Concern Okeanpribor

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company Concern Morinformsystem-Agat

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company Uralvagonzavod Scientific and Production Corporation named after F. Dzerzhinsky

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company "Information Satellite Systems" named after Academician M.F. Reshetnev "

    Roskosmos

    Open Joint-Stock Company NPO Energomash named after Academician V.P. Glushko

    Roskosmos

    Open Joint-Stock Company Novorossiysk Commercial Sea Port

    Ministry of Transport of Russia

    Joint Stock Company "Murmansk Commercial Sea Port"

    Ministry of Transport of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company "Koltsovo Airport"

    Ministry of Transport of Russia

    Open Joint Stock Company "SG-Trans"

    Ministry of Transport of Russia

    FSUE "Rosmorport"

    Ministry of Transport of Russia

    Open Joint Stock Company "Sheremetyevo International Airport"

    Ministry of Transport of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company "System Operator of the Unified Energy System"

    Ministry of Energy of Russia

    Irkutsk Open Joint-Stock Company of Energy and Electrification

    Ministry of Energy of Russia

    FSUE "Space Communication"

    Ministry of Communications of Russia

    FSUE Russian Post

    Ministry of Communications of Russia

    FSUE Russian Television and Radio Broadcasting Network

    Ministry of Communications of Russia

    FSUE "Research and Production Association for Medical Immunobiological Preparations" Microgen "

    Ministry of Health and Social Development of Russia

    Open Joint-Stock Company Oboronservis

    Ministry of Defense of Russia

    Open joint-stock company "United Industrial Corporation" Oboronprom "

    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia
  3. Lopatov 19 February 2020 09: 32 New
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    just look at the list and understand that the dispute is at least not appropriate here

    I looked. The list has nothing to do with the dispute.
  4. Arpad 19 February 2020 11: 04 New
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    Quote: Arpad
    just look at the list and understand that the dispute is at least not appropriate here

    I looked. The list has nothing to do with the dispute.

    Looking as it has. shareholders have the right to seize the property of the defendant (i.e., the state property of Russia) - these enterprises and companies, as well as their assets, are the property of Russia.
    OR DO YOU HAVE DOUBTS IN THIS?
    OR DO YOU THINK. THAT THE PROPERTY IS ONLY THAT IS IN THE BORDERS OF RUSSIA. KREMLIN AND MAUSOLEUM?
  5. Lopatov 19 February 2020 11: 11 New
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    Looking as it has. shareholders have the right to seize the property of the defendant

    8)))))))))))))))
    It remains to convince the shareholders to give a damn about their own profit ...
    You are waiting !!!!
    laughing laughing laughing
  6. Arpad 19 February 2020 11: 29 New
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    8)))))))))))))))
    It remains to convince the shareholders to give a damn about their own profit ...

    benefit to whom?
    As a shareholder of YUKOS, I absolutely do not give a damn about the income of Russia as a shareholder of Rosneft.
    You probably never invested in the stock exchange and for you the situation with the seizure of part of the company's shares (belonging to a large shareholder) is not a real case.
    I will disappoint you.
    This happens quite often.
    But it is not strange in connection with elementary divorce proceedings.
    For example, during the divorce proceedings, part of Bezos’s shares in Amazon, before a court decision regarding the division of property between him and his wife, were arrested. and then moved to the former half.
    After the news of the arrest of Bezos shares. Amazon shares fell nearly 6%.
    The court does not give a damn about the shareholders and their income. like Bezos’s wife. But it didn’t give a damn.
    ]
    Quote: Spade
    You are waiting !!!!

    Do not be stupid, pick up the materiel.
  7. Lopatov 19 February 2020 11: 33 New
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    Quote: Arpad
    benefit to whom?

    For example, how are you going to force BP to seize the property of Rosneft. Incurring losses
    You yourself wrote about "shareholders have the right to seize property"

    Quote: Arpad
    Do not be stupid, pick up the materiel.

    Gold words. Tell them while looking in the mirror
    laughing laughing laughing
  8. Arpad 19 February 2020 11: 40 New
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    For example, how are you going to force BP to seize the property of Rosneft. Incurring losses

    I don’t get it. and what is the relationship with BP?
    What are you pulling the owl on the globe?
    You still mention Sechin.
    And why are you attached to / Rosneft?
    Russia has enough property and state corporations which or parts of which can be arrested.
    Rosatom. eg wink
    I brought a little list there.
  9. Lopatov 19 February 2020 11: 48 New
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    I don’t get it. and what is the relationship with BP

    Actually, BP is one of the owners of Rosneft
    But the fact that you "did not understand, but what kind of connection" .... this does not surprise me. After the Hague court in Switzerland.
  10. Lopatov 19 February 2020 11: 50 New
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    Rosatom. eg

    The most beautiful example.
    I would like to see how Turkey will seize the property of Rosatom ...
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    OR DO YOU THINK. THAT THE PROPERTY IS ONLY THAT IS IN THE BORDERS OF RUSSIA. KREMLIN AND MAUSOLEUM?

    Or do you think that over so many years of sanctions Russia has left unprotected property abroad ?????
    laughing laughing laughing
  12. Arpad 19 February 2020 11: 32 New
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    Or do you think that over so many years of sanctions Russia has left unprotected property abroad ?????

    protected how? How can you protect the stake in Rosneft at the New York auction. London or any other exchange?
    PMC Wagner imagine them? Or stop selling them?
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    protected how?

    Diplomatic immunity, guarantees of the host state, corporatization.

    Quote: Arpad
    How can you protect the stake in Rosneft at the New York auction. London or any other exchange?

    You yourself answered your question and did not notice.
    "Shares." Do you know what this word means?
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    Diplomatic immunity, guarantees of the host state, corporatization.

    Shovels, the nonsense is better to talk about artillery and do not meddle in finances.
    How to protect stocks - diplomatic immunity belay
    Shovels that smoke?

    Quote: Spade
    You yourself answered your question and did not notice.
    "Shares." Do you know what this word means?

    of course I know
    you will not be able to put them up for auction, therefore they will disappear from the circulation of liquid assets of the enterprise. Therefore, they will not be able to act as a guarantor during the loan and be a providing tool.
    Consequently, they simply turn into worthless paper.
    You can’t sell them, exchange them or pledge them.
    This is when they are under arrest.
    Of course, it is clear that Yukos shareholders will not be able to get anything from these shares. but...
    you will not be able to conduct any business activity; you have actually froze money inside the company, and even more interestingly - right to vote, tk your stake in the company. it seems like it’s not really yours anymore.
    What will happen after that.
    Private shareholders of this company will behave like?
    most likely they will just throw off the vaccines and run away.
    The stock price will plummet. capitalization will decrease. business activity will freeze, etc., etc.
    Output ? you yourself will seek a compromise. otherwise the company will go bankrupt. Yes, Yukos shareholders will not receive money from this company (by the way, you will not have any money left). Well, they will proceed to seize the property of other companies - the list is long.
    you probably an example of Naftogaz - not an example?
    From a legal point of view and the consequences are the same. only the amounts are different.
  15. Lopatov 19 February 2020 11: 58 New
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    Shovels, the nonsense is better to talk about artillery and do not meddle in finances.
    How to protect stocks - diplomatic immunity belay
    Shovels that smoke?

    Do you know only one type of property - shares?
    This is very, very sad ...

    Quote: Arpad
    you will not be able to put them up for auction, therefore they will disappear from the circulation of liquid assets of the enterprise. Therefore, they will not be able to act as a guarantor during the loan and be a providing tool.

    Hooray!!!!!
    And how many billions of shareholders will shake for such actions through the court?

    For example, Rosneft mentioned more than once. Who will pay 138 thousand shareholders, including such large ones as BP (19,7% of the shares)
  16. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 19 February 2020 11: 39 New
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    In 17, the accounts of Roscosmos in France were arrested without any problems, the arrest was withdrawn only because the appeal began to be examined. To have property abroad is not a whim, but a necessity for those who conduct foreign economic activity. Reliably "defend" can only be turned into the DPRK.
  17. Lopatov 19 February 2020 11: 46 New
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    In 17, the accounts of Roscosmos in France were arrested without any problems, the arrest was removed

    Q.E.D. How they removed the arrest from other property and funds.

    Well, under what pretext is the tenth thing.
  18. Arpad 19 February 2020 09: 23 New
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    And if this is not?
    I mean, there is property, but it’s more expensive to arrest him

    Well, arrest is not expensive. compared with a bun of 50 billion.
    Yes, and the court’s decision will have to be implemented.
    You can invest in anything where there is a proven part of state property, well, let's start at least Rosneft, it is actually Yukos, you say that Rosneft has no assets abroad?
  19. Lopatov 19 February 2020 09: 40 New
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    well, arrest is not expensive

    Very expensive. Not in monetary terms ... You, apparently, do not quite understand what it is about.


    Quote: Arpad
    Well, let's start at least Rosneft

    Easily.
    After the arrest, shareholders like British BP or the Swiss-Qatari QHG Oil Ventures sue and win billions.
    And Russia, using the incident as a precedent, is beginning to seize property of firms related to the country that announced the arrest.

    What a lovely prospect .... and the arrest is filmed with great financial costs.
  20. Arpad 19 February 2020 09: 47 New
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    Easily.
    After the arrest, shareholders like British BP or the Swiss-Qatari QHG Oil Ventures sue and win billions.

    why did you decide that you win?
    Moreover, you understand that not the whole company is arrested, but Russian assets in the company.
    Quote: Spade
    begin to seize property of firms related to the country that announced the arrest.

    who will start arresting?
  21. Lopatov 19 February 2020 09: 54 New
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    Quote: Arpad
    why did you decide that you win?

    And why did you decide that you can seize someone else’s property without consequences?
    Do BP shareholders have anything to do with what happened to Yukos?
    No. And they are “punished with the dollar”. And they have the full moral and legal right to punish lawless people.

    Quote: Arpad
    who will start arresting?

    Russia.
    For example, Shell property
  22. Arpad 19 February 2020 11: 16 New
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    Quote: Spade
    And why did you decide that you can seize someone else’s property without consequences?

    THIS IS WHAT THE SWISS COURT SAID. About the confiscation of Yukos. and shareholder money
    Quote: Spade
    Do BP shareholders have anything to do with what happened to Yukos?

    of course not . this is exactly what the Swiss court said in relation to the private shareholders of Yukos.
    Quote: Spade
    . And they are "punished by the dollar"

    You probably didn’t understand the difference. Sorry .
    I repeat.
    Russia confiscated all of Yukos, including the money of private investors in the joint-stock company Yukos.
    In Rosneft (when seizing assets) only Russian property will be arrested, this arrest will not affect other investors.
    All Rosneft will not be arrested, only the Russian share in it.
    I clearly explained?
  23. Lopatov 19 February 2020 11: 30 New
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    Quote: Arpad
    of course not . this is exactly what the Swiss court said in relation to the private shareholders of Yukos.

    So what's the problem?
    Arrest is not possible, as required

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    I clearly explained?

    There is a concrete mixer bought by three people for a bucket. You arrest her for the debts of one of them on alimony.
    Tell us how and by whose money you are going to compensate the cost of property and the lost profit to the other two owners.
    Who will be responsible for the illegal seizure of property from these two people?

    I clearly ask?
  24. Arpad 19 February 2020 11: 57 New
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    So what's the problem?
    Arrest is not possible, as required

    strange interpretation of my words. belay
    For those in the tank. so that there would be no discrepancies - it is possible and even very simple to arrest part of the shares.
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    Tell us how and by whose money you are going to compensate the cost of property and the lost profit to the other two owners.

    not going to. this is none of my business.
    Companions can file a private lawsuit against their partner because of which they lost money.
    Lapotov. You are monstrously monstrously far from the world of finance.
    I’ll ask you one question, you (as an example) invested in Lehman Brothers shares, and he took it and went bankrupt --- to whom will you sue? wink
  25. Lopatov 19 February 2020 12: 04 New
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    Quote: Arpad
    For those in the tank. so that there would be no discrepancies - it is possible and even very simple to arrest part of the shares.

    For those who are in the tank, there is not a single stock owned by Russia on the exchanges.
    laughing laughing laughing

    Quote: Arpad
    not going to. this is none of my business.

    laughing laughing laughing
    "A man can be launched into space without any rockets. And how this is done is not my business ...."


    Quote: Arpad
    Lapotov. You are monstrously monstrously far from the world of finance.

    But I know that Russian-owned shares of Rosneft do not go public, and The Hague is located in the Netherlands.
    So it looks like you are even further from this "world of finance"
  26. Arpad 19 February 2020 12: 23 New
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    For those who are in the tank, there is not a single stock owned by Russia on the exchanges.

    Shovels. do not drive
    Gazprom is the largest joint-stock company in Russia. The total number of accounts on which 23 Gazprom shares are accounted for exceeds 673 thousand. The state controls more than 50% of the Company's shares.

    You want to say that Gazprom shares are not traded on the stock exchange?
    Or did Russia imitate shares (at the initial listing on the stock exchange) without belonging to some legal entity?
    Shovels. probably worth ending this useless conversation.
    You argue even not at the amateur level, but somewhat lower
    Quote: Spade
    But I know that Russian-owned Rosneft shares do not go public.

    belay
    You believe that stocks must be traded (your package) at any given time.
    I hold shares in many enterprises, I do not trade them. but I have them and this is a financial obligation that acts as a guarantee of my liquidity. This is just paper (until I sold it). it is not money. but it is a financial obligation.
    which i can
    1. To sell
    2.Pledge
    3. give
    4. take a loan under this.
    Upon arrest - she turns into a zilch.
    you cannot sell them. those get cash
    you can’t give a pledge.
    If they are mortgaged - the bank will require a new pledge from you because this one does not have collateral.
    They can be confiscated if they are in a bank in the territory of the court’s jurisdiction.
    You yourself will seek a compromise because there will be no money, and you will have the same. Yukos shareholders do not already have them, now you are in the same company laughing
    the only difference is. that YUKOS has a long list of whom they can fuck (in the normal sense of the word 0. and you have only one way out - to agree.
    Quote: Spade
    and The Hague is located in the Netherlands.

    sorry. I thought you were still talking about Leg.
    But the piano does not play.
    My comment is relevant. by decision of whose court a decision would not be made in favor of Yukos,
    Of course, it is valid in the jurisdiction zone of this court, i.e., except for the territory of Russia. Syria or, say, S. Korea. laughing
    But how will this help Russian state-owned companies present or conducting trade with Europe?
  27. Lopatov 19 February 2020 12: 41 New
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    Quote: Arpad
    You want to say that Gazprom shares are not traded on the stock exchange?

    Traded. Moreover, none of the bottom belongs to Russia.

    Is it really that hard ?????

    Quote: Arpad
    You argue even not at the amateur level, but somewhat lower

    Exactly.
    Straight golden words. "Not at the amateur level, but even lower"
    Entirely and completely related to those who declare the possibility of arresting stocks owned by Russia on the stock exchange
    Not just "even lower" A "much, much lower"


    Quote: Arpad
    My comment is relevant. by decision of whose court a decision would not be made in favor of Yukos,

    laughing laughing laughing
    Your answer is nonsense.
    And it is impossible to seize the property of a joint stock company without violating the rights of all shareholders except one.
    So no one will do it. At the risk of running into counterclaims and huge losses on them.
    Once again, for those very far from the topic.
    Rosneft has a 50% stake not belongs to Russia
    Gazprom has a 49% stake not belongs to Russia.
    And so on.
  28. Arpad 19 February 2020 11: 35 New
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    Quote: Spade
    Russia.
    For example, Shell property

    Please adjudicate and arrest dutch Shell, a private company, and its property in Russia due to a court decision Switzerland at the suit of the Yukos shareholders.
    good
    Shovels. stop writing nonsense. in Russia, of course, there are enough stupid people. but it’s too much.
  29. Lopatov 19 February 2020 11: 44 New
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    Quote: Arpad
    Please adjudicate and arrest Shell Dutch private company

    After the arrest of the international private company Rosneft? Easy. Given the use case

    .
    Quote: Arpad
    due to a court decision in Switzerland

    Is the Hague in Switzerland? Did not know. We need to learn geography.
    laughing laughing laughing
    Burning more.
  30. Arpad 19 February 2020 09: 20 New
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    Do not confuse the dispute between private companies and the state. Collecting money from the state is practically impossible

    Of course it’s real.
    There are state. property abroad, there are state corporations, etc. etc.
    Quote: Victor Sergeev
    It seems like there is a debt, but it seems like you can paste the toilet over with the Hague decisions.

    alas you can’t glue it.
  31. Nikolai Grek 18 February 2020 17: 54 New
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    Well, about Naftogaz’s claims they first wrote “spit”, and then somehow it didn’t give a damn ...

    because they bent on transit ... so we decided to make concessions in court !!! wink
    PS ... but, I think, it was not worth them to make concessions and give 3,5 lard !!! am
  32. tatarin_ru 18 February 2020 21: 30 New
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    Well, about Naftogaz’s claims they first wrote “spit”, and then somehow it didn’t give a damn ...

    Well, show off, it was understandable, they put pressure on Ukraine, like Trump does not support you, so the USA will not support you in the courts, and if you lose it will be even worse, you counted on Russian psychology and mentality, plus European lawyers sang songs to Gazprom, which for 100 million dollars they will solve issues in the courts.
    result
    - Trump Trump, and the American business interests are Congress and senators, they have no less power. Yes, and Trump for any booze for profit.
    -European courts, like the government against the US colossus, were helpless, are and will be, but Russia should be shod with 100 lards and there will be no need to sue.

    And to be honest, I don’t know how to protect Russian interests and business in Europe, the forces are not equal. But as it should, this is a task for the next 10 years.
  33. figwam 18 February 2020 15: 47 New
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    Oh they demand to give stolen yukos, how cute.
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    hi Good day! Here, in fact, we are discussing how the thief stole from the thief and who owes whom to now. Yukos was once a more loyally socially minded company than Rosneft is now. But Rosneft is partly a state-owned company and no matter whose pocket it is currently working on, the government will be more useless in the future for it. And in the 90s they took everyone who could. And yes, I in no way defend either side smile
  35. figwam 18 February 2020 15: 50 New
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    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
    But for some reason, Naftogaz preferred to pay three billion to pay regularly,

    That is precisely why the West wants new Wishlist and new amounts.
    Quote: Victor Sergeev
    Do not confuse the dispute between private companies and the state

  36. barsuk 18 February 2020 16: 35 New
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    But for some reason, Naftogaz preferred to pay three billion on a regular basis, although it would seem that it is much easier to act on Ukraine by force than on the Hague.

    And who paid did not tell me?
  37. tatarin_ru 18 February 2020 21: 13 New
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    But for some reason, Naftogaz preferred to pay three billion to pay regularly.

    That private companies, they have stocks, property can be arrested. But the state does not have ownership over the hill, but just in case we are from the state. Fed bonds were refused and reduced their presence in these securities by 10 times. I think because the trial in The Hague is not the last. .
    But I am afraid that the practice of court decisions against private companies to rely on euro lard has just begun and unfortunately we are being squeezed out of the markets. We will not pay the seizure of assets, if they are sold to foreigners - loss of control and profit.
    Gazprom, and so on, is selling its entire asset (shares up to 50%) so that there are no such decisions, but as we see, it is still necessary to prepare for the most difficult options.
  38. tatarin_ru 18 February 2020 21: 19 New
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    But for some reason, Naftogaz preferred to pay three billion to pay regularly.

    By the way, if you recall, the United States has been conducting this practice of judicial decisions for the past 10 years, not only in relation to Russian companies.
    Remember-
    - fines against BMW and Volkswagen for emissions there are some, also several billion dollars
    - 3 billion French bank for transactions dubious with the Saudis.
    - Against Chinese Hawey generally thrash
    - against Samsung a few lards (in favor of the apple)
    and much more.
  • tomket 18 February 2020 15: 41 New
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    This is not even the point. They will not pay according to a decision that has entered into legal force - arrests of Russian property abroad will begin.

    Well, if the amendments enter into force, then you can just say that they say that we respect the decision of your court, but nevertheless we will fight it. That's what the United States is doing.
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      And to wipe the arrested foreign property?
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      Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
      the wiped out foreign property also wipe?

      Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
      the wiped out foreign property also wipe?

      And on what rights will they arrest him? You were told that, in addition to the priority of the national constitution, the decision of the Court in The Hague can be recommended, but not binding. The United States also recommends implementation, but since there is a priority of national legislation, they put a bolt on all the recommendations and nobody arrests anything.
    3. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 17: 13 New
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      Quote: tomket
      And on what rights will they arrest him?
      Based on the decision of the Hague court.
      Quote: tomket
      In addition to the priority of the national constitution, the decision of the Court in The Hague may be recommended, but not binding.
      ... in the territory of the Russian Federation.
    4. Arpad 19 February 2020 09: 35 New
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      You were told that, in view of the priority of the national constitution, the decision of the Court in The Hague can be recommended, but not binding

      On Russian territory.
      And they are obligatory for execution - on their territory.
      Outside of Russia there is no state property?
      Are state corporations not traded on exchanges?
    5. Revival 19 February 2020 11: 17 New
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      That's exactly the difference in the weight category that the United States puts a bolt and they do not Dare to arrest against them, and we do not have such pressure
    6. Arpad 19 February 2020 11: 21 New
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      Quote: Revival
      That's exactly the difference in the weight category that the United States puts a bolt and they do not Dare to arrest against them

      You can give an example of at least one lawsuit.
      I'm not talking about the fact that I for example do not know at all whether there is such a thing in the USA as a state corporation.
  • Vladimir_6 18 February 2020 15: 48 New
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    Russia has a legal opportunity to challenge this decision by appealing to the Supreme Court of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

    Russia has a legal opportunity to challenge this decision by appealing to the Supreme Court of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

    While the essence and the matter, amendments to the Constitution will be adopted.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 16: 45 New
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      Those who go to seize property will not begin to read what is written there in this regard in the Russian Constitution. This is some kind of wild naivete, to think that if I managed to shout “I'm in the house!”, Then nothing can be done with you.
    2. Vladimir_6 18 February 2020 17: 37 New
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      Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
      Those who go to seize property will not begin to read what is written there in this regard in the Russian Constitution. This is some kind of wild naivete, to think that if I managed to shout “I'm in the house!”, Then nothing can be done with you.

      The US Constitution has already spelled out the predominant role of US laws before international law.
      What do you think will go to seize US property in lawsuits of other states?
    3. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 17: 55 New
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      I don’t know, I didn’t google precedents. But the property of Iran, despite the fact that Iran was not obligated to comply with international law, is arrested without question.
    4. Vladimir_6 18 February 2020 18: 13 New
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      I don’t know, I didn’t google precedents. But the property of Iran, despite the fact that Iran was not obligated to comply with international law, is arrested without question.

      The fact is that the United States is so spelled out in the Constitution, and no one dares to test this in practice.
      In Russia, the Constitution adopted the predominant international law. She is obliged to fulfill it.
      After the adoption of amendments to the Constitution, Russia will take off its bonds.
      If you solve this serious issue, then there is confidence that it will be so.
      The assertiveness of modern Russia has been demonstrated in Georgia, Syria, Venezuela and several African countries. Those who still consider Russia a “banana republic” have hopelessly lagged behind life. hi
    5. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 18: 20 New
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      Iran did not bind itself with bonds. Did it help him greatly from property arrests?
    6. Vladimir_6 18 February 2020 18: 32 New
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      Iran did not bind itself with bonds. Did it help him greatly from property arrests?

      It's not about Iran. Although Iran has already demonstrated its "muscles" of the United States.
      You want to convince me with your posts that Russia will not be able to defend its interests after the adoption of amendments to the Constitution. What I do not agree with you.
    7. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 18: 34 New
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      It's not about Iran.
      It’s true, the question is how much the refusal to comply with international law saves from the arrest of foreign property. The example of Iran shows that it does not save.
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      Quote: Vladimir_6
      It's not about Iran.
      It’s true, the question is how much the refusal to comply with international law saves from the arrest of foreign property. The example of Iran shows that it does not save.

      Do not put Russia and Iran on one step.
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      This is yes.
      Russia has not yet decided to shell rockets at American bases.
    10. Vladimir_6 19 February 2020 10: 31 New
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      This is yes.
      Russia has not yet decided to shell rockets at American bases.

      You have iron arguments.
  • Arpad 19 February 2020 09: 37 New
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    You want to convince me with your posts that Russia will not be able to defend its interests after the adoption of amendments to the Constitution.

    of course it can. In a court.
  • Arpad 19 February 2020 09: 36 New
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    The US Constitution has already spelled out the predominant role of US laws before international law.

    Seriously ? Can I link to the corresponding article?
  • Revival 19 February 2020 11: 19 New
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    There is no us, but we are not us, unfortunately
  • Revival 19 February 2020 11: 19 New
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    Exactly))
    And you might think, they honor our constitution and their hands will drop)))
  • Nikolai Grek 18 February 2020 18: 29 New
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    Quote: Vladimir_6
    While the essence and the matter, amendments to the Constitution will be adopted.

    and without them no one will pay !! wink
  • Vladimir_6 18 February 2020 18: 38 New
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    Quote: Nikolai Grek
    Quote: Vladimir_6
    While the essence and the matter, amendments to the Constitution will be adopted.

    and without them no one will pay !! wink

    I think so too. But Vyacheslav Viktorovich is stubbornly trying to convince me that Russia will be surrounded by red flags like a wolf. hi
  • Nikolai Grek 18 February 2020 19: 14 New
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    Quote: Vladimir_6
    Quote: Nikolai Grek
    Quote: Vladimir_6
    While the essence and the matter, amendments to the Constitution will be adopted.

    and without them no one will pay !! wink

    I think so too. But Vyacheslav Viktorovich is stubbornly trying to convince me that Russia will be surrounded by red flags like a wolf. hi

    you listen to them less ... the vast majority of local commentators live in their fictional little world !!! wink laughing
  • Arpad 19 February 2020 09: 38 New
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    But Vyacheslav Viktorovich is stubbornly trying to convince me that Russia will be surrounded by red flags like a wolf

    Well, Naftogaz / Of course you are not a prime example.
    By the way, the next lawsuit from Naftogaz for the confiscation of property in the Crimea for 8 billion. also extremely promising.
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    You can answer symmetrically. The Dutch also take one place. Yes, and they are afraid to arrest something.
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      It will be necessary to answer not only the Netherlands, but all the states that recognized this court decision and seized Russian property at their respective request.
  • Revival 18 February 2020 14: 03 New
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    Yes, he not only said that ..
    Please treat with understanding, not everyone can keep their word
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      I remember the "believers" in ^ Roskomnadzor ^ jumped and sang
      Come on Russia,
      Come on, come on,
      Come on beautiful
      Come on, come on.
      Come on Russia,
      Come on, come on,
      Come on beautiful
      Come on, come on,
      Come on, come on, come on!

      So, what is the sacred meaning, it turns out. winked
  • Sanichsan 18 February 2020 15: 07 New
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    Why did it happen ?

    Well, for example, since they have not been paying for 10 years already. didn't you notice?
    Hodor started demanding money as he dumped abroad, and so far has not received anything, and his foreign "shareholders" laughing
    1. Kronos 18 February 2020 15: 44 New
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      So the courts went and now the decision is made
      1. Lopatov 18 February 2020 15: 52 New
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        Quote: Kronos
        So the courts went and now the decision is made

        Have you read the article?
  • kjhg 18 February 2020 13: 51 New
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    Yes, no one will pay and do not worry

    Naftogaz transferred money for the week. Although before that, all our officials “swore by their mother” that they would not pay anything. I mean, "never say never." Purely theoretically, a court, in order to recover a debt, can seize oil supplied by Russia to the EU. The mechanism for breeding suckers in the West has long been worked out. Where is the money of Muammar Gaddafi? Where is the money of Saddam Hussein? And from fresh, where is the money of Venezuela?
    1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 14: 00 New
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      Naftogaz and Gazprom legal entities did not pay anything !!! gave them gas
      1. kjhg 18 February 2020 14: 05 New
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        Funny you, by golly))) What gas? Gazprom transferred the hated US rubles to Naftogaz’s accounts. All! Until the last cent
        1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 14: 10 New
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          Tired of your composing !!! everything was chewed here
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            What essays did the money pay Ukrainians
            1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 14: 25 New
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              Naftogaz and not Ukraine !!! Want to pay Khodorkovsky?
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              Well, now it’s easier, it turns out to be Naftogaz, well now everything, then consider kakby and did not pay anyone
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              read why it is beneficial to Gazprom and what Naftogaz gave for it
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            If guilt is proven, then why not pay?
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          Quote: Kronos
          paid to Ukrainians

          to each?!! what laughing
  • Revival 18 February 2020 15: 37 New
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    Yes, even given dumplings.
    They fought in the chest with a grin that they would never give anything back and were blown away in public and public
  • Prjanik 18 February 2020 14: 13 New
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    Yes, Gazprom had to pay, because they did not have time to complete SP2, and gas should go to Europe, otherwise the mattresses come with their LNG. Here the amers should be given their due, they did well, especially with Denmark. The Yukos affair is not here.
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      amers must pay tribute, well they did

      Let's say they succeeded in spitting in a common well. What will they do with the inhabitants of the entire European village that scooped water from this well? Has anyone estimated future reputation losses in the markets in dollars or does everyone naively believe that this will not go around amers?
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        The relations there have already switched to new formulations, from politically correct "partners" in the past to real "vassals" in the present. And if this EU goes against the USA, then there will not be that EU, Trump promised to tackle Europe. Everyone understands everything, and Germany, especially business, is trying to somehow crawl out from under Amer’s influence somewhere.
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        You have marked cards, you bank. You can grab any player by the hand, nobody you.
        Under such conditions, the amer will not come around.
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    Quote: kjhg
    may seize oil supplied by Russia to the EU.

    after the adoption of constitutional amendments regarding the primacy of Russian law, Russia may also seize oil supplied by Russia to the EU. wink
    or do you think you can’t drag out the Netherlands?
  • Lopatov 18 February 2020 15: 53 New
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    Naftogaz transferred money for the week.

    Not a penny.
    Quote: kjhg
    Purely theoretically, a court, in order to recover a debt, can seize oil supplied by Russia to the EU.

    Easily.
    And then have huge problems.
    After all, Russia does not sell oil.
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      1. Lopatov 18 February 2020 16: 22 New
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        I don’t understand why you deny the obvious things? https://www.rbc.ru/business/27/12/2019/5e06339e9a79470d0c9382b1 Money paid. Naftogaz has confirmed receipt of the entire amount


        Is it obvious to you that Russia paid?
        Cool.
        And the article on your link indicates that Gazprom paid.
        Maybe you have problems reading?

        Search further.
        1. Revival 18 February 2020 16: 39 New
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          And then Gazprom paid, well then, okay, right?
          That is, Gazprom is not Russian?
          Or does Russia not belong to Russia in Gazprom, or almost nothing, and therefore we, as a people, are neither cold nor hot?
          Well then, the picture is even better, at least it is directly stated that Gazprom itself works in its own pocket.
          And probably crumbs of taxes, well, that’s enough from a country in which Gazprom’s gas is simply stored apparently ..
          1. Lopatov 18 February 2020 17: 43 New
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            Quote: Revival
            And then Gazprom paid, well then, okay, right?

            I just do not like lies.
            Russia has not paid a dime. This is a reinforced concrete fact.

            Quote: Revival
            Well then, the picture is even better, at least it is directly stated that Gazprom itself works in its own pocket.

            Demagogy.
            In fact, everything is much simpler. The state is not liable for the legal debts of Gazprom. Gazprom is not liable for the judicial debts of the state.
            And that's all.

            And there is nothing to lie that yesterday, the payment of alimony by Peter Pupkin means that tomorrow Russia will pay Khodorkovsky

            "Patamushta Pupkin is Russian and pays crumbs of taxes" laughing laughing laughing
  • Vladimir_6 18 February 2020 16: 39 New
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    Naftogaz transferred money for the week. Although before that, all our officials “swore by their mother” that they would not pay anything.

    Naftogaz was paid after it agreed on the terms of temporary gas transit through the Ukrainian gas transportation system. That means, minus 3 billion. All the same, Gazprom has a profit.
    And Khodorkovsky can dream as much as he wants. As the saying goes: "richer by thought."
    Purely theoretically, a court, in order to recover a debt, can seize oil supplied by Russia to the EU. The mechanism for breeding suckers in the West has long been worked out.

    Russia has already proved that it does not belong to the category of “suckers”.
    "Economics, Sep 28, 2006,
    The other day, Sakhalin Energy vice president Igor Ignatiev publicly announced that if the project stopped, "direct losses would amount to $ 10 billion."
    In response, O. Mitvol objected that the amount of environmental damage from the implementation of the Sakhalin-2 project could exceed $ 50 billion. "
    Probably remember ei events.
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    1. fk7777777 18 February 2020 17: 00 New
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      I agree with you 100 percent, but then there were only Ilyich’s politicians, which he only cost, took and reset all debts, well done. Vissarionych, the State Bank of the country muddied up, there guys what they needed. Do you think one of these will be enough to get up and say something like that, even if they say that people have retired from the age of 14, figs with him, and so everyone has suffered. Why not.....
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      "partners"
      so plus. But the word partners came from self-aware and he considers them partners sincerely without any quotes
  • Vyacheslav Viktorovich 18 February 2020 16: 56 New
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    Quote: kjhg
    may seize oil supplied by Russia to the EU
    Not even for oil, but for the amounts that are transferred as payment for this oil. There was already a precedent, they arrested, if not confused, the accounts of Roscosmos in France, which received payments for exported products, but then the arrest was withdrawn for the duration of the appeal.
  • DenZ 18 February 2020 13: 55 New
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    Yes, no one will pay and do not worry

    It may not even pay, but no one has yet canceled the seizure of property by court order. So the danger has not passed yet. In general, earlier it was necessary to scratch the priority of using international laws against Russian ones. Reached up to the last hoping for a chance. Perhaps only arrogant Saxons do not provide. Never.
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      property seizure is a very loud step, who will do it? will arrest something with us
    2. divanka2021 18 February 2020 14: 06 New
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      in the West, there’s just more law, this is nepotism, corruption, raiding, etc. etc. instead of laws,
      so we must on the contrary try to adopt and follow, and not go into the next isolation
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        Quote: divanka2021
        in the west, there’s just more law

        This is you about the decision in favor of Naftogaz with the wording "in connection with the difficult economic situation in Ukraine" ???
        such a "law" let the Baltic states and Poles vtyuhivayut laughing
    3. Bullba 18 February 2020 14: 46 New
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      Russia does not recognize the decision of the Hague, as well as the United States, and our court of chemists will bill them 55555 trillion so what?
      1. Revival 18 February 2020 15: 46 New
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        There is only one difference.
        The United States can afford it despite the possible consequences (seizures of property, etc.), and especially they can afford it because no one is too hard to apply these consequences to them
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        And just that so far there are no examples where we allow ourselves what the United States can afford
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      Quote: DenZ
      Quote: Nastia Makarova
      Yes, no one will pay and do not worry

      It may not even pay, but no one has yet canceled the seizure of property by court order. So the danger has not passed yet. In general, earlier it was necessary to scratch the priority of using international laws against Russian ones. Reached up to the last hoping for a chance. Perhaps only arrogant Saxons do not provide. Never.

      not a big remark :) Even if you introduce a norm in the constitution on the priority of local legislation over extraterritorial legislation, this does not preclude the possibility of seizing your property abroad in accordance with a court decision. Your legislation is yours, that is, you tell yourself that you don’t owe anything to anyone, while foreign authorities will consider otherwise. Well, then either agreed, or gunboat diplomacy.
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        Even if you introduce a norm in the constitution on the priority of local legislation over extraterritorial legislation, this does not preclude the possibility of seizing your property abroad in accordance with a court decision.

        absolutely right! but it also gives full right to seize foreign property by decision of a Russian court. Now there is no such possibility since such decisions are immediately appealed to an international court which is not controlled by Russia.
        you probably know that everything in Russia was bought by the Anglasaks! there’s only one British queen for 13 real estate lards in Moscow! this is not a joke by the way.
        before making changes:
        in Britain, the Sedov are arrested in the Yukas case, in Russia the royal huts are arrested in response, but by the decision of the Hague court, the royal huts are being removed from the royal huts. this judgment is higher than the Russian judgment, according to our constitution, the arrest of the huts has to be lifted. such is the law ...
        after accepting the changes:
        in Britain, Sedov are arrested in the Yukas case; in Russia, royal huts are arrested. the decisions of some kind of Hague court are not valid here, and apart from real estate itself, you can arrest everything in a row, up to the embassies, like the Americans with our embassy, ​​and expose retaliatory claims and penalties. this is the law wink
        1. Voltsky 18 February 2020 17: 16 New
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          No, I don’t know anything about the Anglo-Saxons, of course I heard about theories like about the world Zionist conspiracy :) But in general, I understand that this is just a collective image, it just pisses me off the expression itself.

          Yes; according to your legislation, you must obey the decision of international courts, and you cannot dispute them anywhere except in the same international instances. It is as if your property would be disposed of by your neighbor, and at the same time to challenge this, you would need the approval of a neighbor. In common people - bondage.
          I did not add this in a previous post, for I thought it was taken for granted.
          When introducing a clause on the priority of national legislation over extraterritorial; Your Neighbor becomes just a neighbor =>
          Well, then either agreed, or gunboat diplomacy.
          1. Sanichsan 18 February 2020 17: 24 New
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            When introducing a clause on the priority of national legislation over extraterritorial; Your Neighbor Becomes Just a Neighbor

            Nah! not just a neighbor, but a miserable and robbed neighbor! you see, after the adoption of amendments to the constitution, they will immediately begin to tell us about this and accuse Russia of arbitrariness yes
            1. Voltsky 18 February 2020 17: 38 New
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              I live in Latvia, and work all over the world :) Believe me, you are already blamed for everything you can.
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              I live in Latvia, and work all over the world :) Believe me, you are already blamed for everything you can.

              At the very same, as a Russian-speaking person, what is the relation to this? I'm on charges of everything that is possible.

              I only state one thing, if we suddenly say:
              “We decided to repent. We give everything we demand, we saw nuclear weapons and carry out disarmament, we legalize everything you say, and we will accept all recommendations in Parliament as the Federal Law. Just take us back to the last at least a series of civilized communities. ”

              And what will happen? As the Holy Catholic Church teaches us, the West will accept us, repenting of sinners, into the bosom of its civilization?
              Rather, the answer will be in the spirit: “Now, let every Russian bend down and kiss his ass.” Then we'll talk ... "

              We must understand that we have been aliens, aliens to the West all our lives and will remain. We already tried to bend, but, having just started to bend without permission, we again fell out of favor. I am sure that we signed this charter just in the years of the deflection, when we sawed rockets and submarines to the words of the song Scorpions “...
              Did you ever think that we could be so close, like brothers? ”...

              It will be better if we find a way not to pay and not encroach on our assets. It will be worse if you have to pay (it makes no sense to guess and hit yourself with your heels in the chest), and you have to look for money where and for a recently announced purchase of something from someone.
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              I answer various questions, respectively, to stupid ones - the larger the state, the more it becomes like a very strong organized crime group, moreover, with its own newspaper; and the smaller the state, the more like Mademoiselle back and forth; but there are exceptions Ukraine hello :) And the bolder the gang acts, unless of course the strengths allow, the better they end up living :)
              as for me, well, I want 3k € per month net, affordable housing; but for now not :) for Russia I am only on the forum, and that is not always :)
  • Lopatov 18 February 2020 15: 57 New
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    but no one has yet canceled the seizure of property by court order.

    Absolutely useless option since the time of "Legs"
    There is nothing to arrest.
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    remind me why all the first boron cheese squeezed the company from the second and threw the shareholders?
    So this is the norm in Russia, of course no one will pay Nitsche
  • Sergey39 18 February 2020 17: 08 New
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    "The Justice Ministry emphasized that Russia" will continue to uphold its legitimate interests and, in a cassation order, will challenge the verdict issued by the appellate court in the Supreme Court of the Netherlands. "
    And then amendments to the constitution will come into force.
  • Bomb 18 February 2020 17: 18 New
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    Raider Sechin, of course, will not pay from his pocket. They will scatter on mere mortals if the Moscow City Court does not cancel this decision =) Or maybe the hodor will be killed in the Hague outhouse - there is no body and no need to pay =) Well, if all the amendments are made, the hodor will have to go to the Basmanny court.
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    Khodorkovsky doesn’t care that if they pay, then this money will go away from pensioners, subsidies, patients, the poor, state employees ..


    Igor Sechin, Rotenberg brothers, Sergey Chemezov, Gennady Timchenko, Yuri Kovalchuk, Alexey Miller, Shamalov’s father and son, Vladimir Yakunin, Yevgeny Prigozhin, etc.

    And this does not care, from whom the money comes to them ??)
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      You do not confuse our Boyars with Khodorkovsky please
  • Evdokim 18 February 2020 13: 47 New
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    $ 50 billion to Khodorkovsky

    And his duplex will not burst? The London dreamer, and the ungrateful bastard. Fuck him, and eggplant in the ass. Russia has something to spend money on. am
    1. Mathafaka 18 February 2020 14: 58 New
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      Why is he a bastard?
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      We gave him even a pea jacket and mittens free of charge, in spite of the fact that all the people pecked at "his bowels belonging to the people."
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    military budget of 70 yards !!!
  • orionvitt 18 February 2020 14: 07 New
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    It was necessary to make sure that this freak did not get out of prison
    It is necessary to make sure that this bastard returns to sit out, preferably for life.
  • Egor53 18 February 2020 14: 07 New
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    You are absolutely right, Paul.
    Khodorkovsky could not be released, this bastard has his hands knee-deep in blood. Dozens of contract killings ... but not proven. And how do you prove them when Nevzlin to Israel washed away?
    I worked in a team that Yukos bankrupt. He was an adviser to the president of Yukos EP (Exploration and Production). I know everything that was then done not by hearsay.
    Putin then showed an unforgivable gentleness regarding the ghoul of Khodorkovsky - in vain he did it.
    Good deeds do not go unpunished.
    And in the Dutch courts, we just need to ... well, ignore them. Who knows what they smoked will decide.
  • Olgovich 18 February 2020 15: 05 New
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    It was necessary to make sure that this freak did not get out of prison!

    This is yes ...
    But it was NOT possible to recognize jurisdiction Holland- with what fright is the case of a Russian company, a lawsuit against Russia - considered ... in the Hague?

    Spit on her: let them decide in the Khamovnik court, at the place of the defendant ...
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      Well, here I think that we were not particularly offered a choice.
      And we don’t have enough weight to push through our conditions when signing the contract
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    krot
    So this bastard varied, the sick began to pretend to be, and the sick mother began to hide behind herself ... The guarantor's heart trembled ...
  • Karaul73 18 February 2020 16: 00 New
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    They kicked a straight tear when they wrote about pensioners and state employees. It is less necessary to steal and there is enough money for everyone. And those who stole to the wall, and not give out orders and medals. Then the country will be monolithic and no enemy is terrible. Together with The Hague.
  • Nikolai Grek 18 February 2020 17: 51 New
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    $ 50 billion, this is not weak for the country's budget)

    Do you sincerely believe that someone will pay 50 lard to Hodor ?? laughing
  • Prjanik 18 February 2020 13: 46 New
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    According to The Sunday Times, after the arrest in 2003, Khodorkovsky transferred his shares to Baron Rothschild (according to some reports, this is 53%) on the basis of the deal they concluded before the arrest.
    Now all international courts are still bottom.
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      Now all international courts are still bottom.

      As soon as the USSR was gone, chaos and unilateral decision-making began in the international situation.
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        Quote: Arlen
        Quote: Prjanik
        Now all international courts are still bottom.

        As soon as the USSR was gone, chaos and unilateral decision-making began in the international situation.

        Quite right, and since now there is no way to break down and redraw this system of international institutions, you just need to ignore them and increase your priority.
      2. region58 18 February 2020 14: 15 New
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        As soon as the USSR was gone, chaos and unilateral decision-making began in the international situation.

        One pole of power remained. So, of course, it would be possible to conduct some kind of planned exercises in the North Sea, such as "West 2020", with the participation of all military branches, landing on some island, and even with the participation of the CMEA countries, and the Dutch Themis immediately has a conscience I would wake up, I would reasonably judge everything ... I’m sure. yes
  • kapitan92 18 February 2020 13: 48 New
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    Quote: dorz
    Muzzle will not crack?

    Who? Khodorkovsky?

    He will not crack! "Fell" it was necessary in the zone! There would be fewer problems! negative
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      Hodor himself is afraid of this money. Because the question is more relevant to him - what will he get from overseas friends instead of money ... a scarf, a "newbie" or something new?
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    Who? Khodorkovsky?

    Khodorkovsky should hide away from the ice ax ... his hands are in the blood of people.
  • Paul Siebert 18 February 2020 14: 49 New
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    Khodorkovsky will crack not only his face ...
    This passenger again woke up megalomania.
    Released - go to Israel and do not yap. It’s already full of such ...
    No - he decided to fight with Russian state!
    This does not end in good. Berezovsky will confirm ... no
  • Den717 18 February 2020 14: 50 New
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    Who? Khodorkovsky?

    ".... In February 2005, representatives several companies, which were associated with the former major shareholder of YUKOS Group MENATEP Ltd, filed lawsuits with the International Arbitration Court in The Hague. They demanded that Russia pay $ 100 billion in compensation. The claims were based on the provisions on the protection of investments of the Energy Charter ... "
    These are companies that should subsequently have had complete control over Yukos and its assets.
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    It is a pity that he didn’t sew “little mitts” in a hurry ...! And now we have what we have!
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    Naftogaz did not crack from 3 lards ..))
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      The key here is amendments to the constitution .... And many of our Comrades are hostile to the amendments to the Constitution ... like Putin again wants to sit in his chair .....
      The money allocated by the US State Department for the information war with Russia does not go in vain ..

      The West already does not see the edges - 50 billion .. then it will request 100 billion ... - it’s easier and cheaper to send an expensive missile to them, such as Poplar ... wassat
      1. St Petrov 18 February 2020 13: 55 New
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        The money allocated by the US State Department for the information war with Russia does not go in vain ..


        they have singers by mouth and propaganda eventually drags. There are enough sick people. And there are enough people poisoned by anti-state propaganda even here, on a patriotic resource, as it were, where many served, swore allegiance.



        and I kept wondering how it turned out in the video below

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        And here are amendments to the Constitution ..
        If they judge me for robbing an ATM, can I write amendments to the Constitution myself and send cops away? Or can each country write such amendments to itself ?? And then why the court ??)

        And many of our Comrades are hostile to the amendments to the Constitution ... like Putin again wants to sit in an armchair .....
        But like Putin, he thinks all about the people .. as if to save pensioners from the evil Khodorkovsky ..))
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          as if to save pensioners from the evil Khodorkovsky ..))


          Wafers tell us today about the good Khodorkovsky, saving Russian pensioners from evil Putin? I got comfortable, broadcast, the great Ukrainian man, Putin’s thunderstorm. What is the cause of panic in the Kremlin? Have you fixed the forelock and bloomers? You speak

          1. Roman070280 18 February 2020 14: 22 New
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            Wafers tell us today about good Putin, saving Russian pensioners from the evil Khodorkovsky? I got comfortable, broadcast, the great Ukrainian man, the thunderstorm of Khodorkovsky. What is the cause of panic in the Kremlin?
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              here and again I overcame Muscovites as cunningly
              Tricky Selyuk
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                Stop mooing, nobody understands you here .. write in normal language ..
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          And here are amendments to the Constitution ..
          If they judge me for robbing an ATM, can I write amendments to the Constitution myself and send cops away?

          Well, there is no doubt that normal with his foreign shareholders through a pocket court in the Netherlands he is trying to get money that he could not withdraw abroad. in Russia, he has no opportunity to influence the constitution, but his "shareholders" in the EU have long been seized and the necessary laws have already been adopted.
          Quote: Roman070280
          Or can each country write such amendments to itself ?? And then why the court ??)

          no, not everyone. only serious countries such as Russia, China or the United States. didn't you know? but for serfs in the EU there are special courts, especially for those with sovereignty so-so yes
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            Well, there’s a good deal with your foreign shareholders through pocket court in the Netherlands trying to get money that could not be withdrawn abroad. in Russia, he has no opportunity to influence the constitution, but his "shareholders" in the EU have long been seized and the necessary laws have already been adopted.

            1. I don’t know how pocket he is there ..
            2. Some thieves robbed another thief .. And here the Constitution ..

            no, not every one. only such serious countries

            That's why we wiped ourselves and paid ukram 3 lard ..
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              I don’t know how pocket he is there ..

              so much so that it decides in favor of Naftagaz on the basis of the "difficult economic situation in Ukraine." laughing
              Quote: Roman070280
              Some thieves robbed another thief .. And here the Constitution ..

              hmmm .. that is, you do not know the legal side of the issue? why then undertook to write here? request
              Quote: Roman070280
              That's why we wiped ourselves and paid ukram 3 lard ..

              you probably yes ... but Gazprom apparently clearly understands that the speedy end of SP2 is much more than 3cc. wink
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                so much so that it decides in favor of Naftagaz on the basis of the "difficult economic situation in Ukraine."


                Why are we suing there then ??

                hmmm .. that is, you do not know the legal side of the issue? why then undertook to write here?

                But for some reason you undertook to write here ..
                On the legal side, the court is the one who understands ..
                I write from the human side ..

                Gazprom apparently clearly understands that the speedy end of SP2 is much more than 3cc.

                I will not even be interested in how much the ending of SP2 accelerated after that ..
                The main thing is that, if suddenly, you have to pay 50 lard, then you do not justify it the same way - that it is, they say, less than arrests of accounts / property / assets, delayed completion of SP2, etc. .. Underline what you like ..
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                  Why are we suing there then ??

                  probably because the constitution now prescribes the dominance of international law over Russian. as if there’s nowhere to go in connection with the fact that, on the basis of the constitution, decisions of an international court are higher than decisions of Russian courts.
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  But for some reason you undertook to write here ..
                  On the legal side, the court is the one who understands ..
                  I write from the human side ..

                  Well, I at least have a superficial idea of ​​the legal side, unlike you.
                  what court is parsed? The Hague? one that is obviously anti-Russian? well, practice, then wassat
                  on the human side, write about the judicial system? it's about the same as from the cultural side to talk about proctology laughing
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  I will not even be interested in how much the ending of SP2 accelerated after that ..

                  correctly! why does a person living in an alternative reality destroy their worldviews? it can prevent Putin from winning! wassat and you need to think with your head, which is probably difficult for some ...
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  The main thing is that, if suddenly, you have to pay 50 lard, then you do not justify it the same way - that it is, they say, less than arrests of accounts / property / assets, delayed completion of SP2, etc. .. Underline what you like ..

                  the main thing is that if they don’t pay, then the pan-and-headed heads aren’t completely smashed against the ceiling during the fifth point explosion! from them, long-suffering, only with the Crimean bridge how many times took off. laughing then it’s not a Mosfilm, then it didn’t fall, then cars drive on it, then trains. laughing
                  and one there argued for the return of Crimea on eating a bucket of feces! very awkward bully
                  have you made such bets with anyone?
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                    what court is parsed? The Hague? one that is obviously anti-Russian?
                    For some people, it’s certainly possible .. I don’t think so ..
                    Well, I at least have a superficial idea of ​​the legal side, unlike you.
                    on the human side, write about the judicial system? it's about the same as from the cultural side to talk about proctology

                    Interesting reasoning ..
                    Means that the Khodorkovsky swindler - it suits you .. from all sides ..
                    And the fact that he had the same crooks squeezed something out there is, they say, already proctology ..
                    Oh yes .. there is a difference right away .. in the first case, the Russian court was involved in the case .. And that means. I should have no doubt .. (after all, Russian courts cannot act in anyone else’s interests .. simply because they are called that ..
                    Well, this is all not true
                    First: compliance with the requirements of the current legislation in modern Russia does not at all mean the absence of a corpus delicti, as it was convincingly proved by the example of Yukos: the laws were the same, but they were judged by the new ones, convincingly spitting on the Constitution.

                    Remember: at the end of the last - the beginning of this century, the law did not prohibit the registration of subsidiaries in territories with preferential taxation (in the so-called internal offshore). In those days, tax minimization was not considered a crime at all, and the concept of a “tax evasion scheme” did not exist at all. It appeared later. In the "Yukos affair" - for which its top managers are sitting
                    )


                    And in the second case - an international court .. and therefore, there can be no faith a priori ..
                    This is where all your "superficial representation" consists ..

                    correctly! why does a person living in an alternative reality destroy their worldviews? it can prevent Putin from winning! wassat and you need to think with your head that for some it’s probably difficult ...

                    And you don’t live in an alternative reality .. then you won’t ruin your worldview .. At the same time, you’ll find out how much faster the completion of SP2 after paying 3 lard .. However, for this you need to think with your head, which is probably difficult for some ..


                    the main thing is that if they don’t pay, then the pan-and-headed heads aren’t completely smashed on the ceiling during the explosion of the fifth point! from them, long-suffering, only with the Crimean bridge how many times took off. laughing is not a mosfilm, it didn’t fall, then cars go on it, then trains. laughing
                    You know, I somehow do not care about those pan-and-panheads ... there’s nothing to ask from them ..
                    But when our local "experts" shouted that Gazprom wouldn’t pay anything .. but in the end they paid as nice ... here they probably broke both the ceiling and the head ..

                    and one there argued for the return of Crimea on eating a bucket of feces! very awkward came out bully
                    have you made such bets with anyone?

                    No, I haven’t made such bets with anyone, and I don’t advise you to do so again ..
                  2. Sanichsan 19 February 2020 15: 55 New
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                    Interesting reasoning ..
                    Means that the Khodorkovsky swindler - it suits you .. from all sides ..
                    And the fact that he had the same crooks squeezed something out there is, they say, already proctology ..

                    go nuts! that is, hodor stole money, but the “other crooks” seized him and took the money from him and now Russia is obliged to return 50 lard to the hodor to the fact that its shareholders lobbied the lawsuit in a foreign court? laughing
                    Oh well... wassat
                    Quote: Roman070280
                    But when our local "experts" shouted that Gazprom wouldn’t pay anything .. but in the end they paid as nice ... here they probably broke both the ceiling and the head ..

                    if you suddenly forgot then remind you that lawsuit against Gazprom was 12 billion. well, you never mind, memory bounced off in the fight against redhead wassat
                    2.9 billion was paid in accordance with the contract for undelivered gas. The situation was controversial due to the fact that this mainly happened through the fault of Ukraine. as a result, a new supply agreement was concluded, which excludes not only the re-occurrence of such a lawsuit, but also makes a direct correlation between the continuation of deliveries and the emergence of new claims by Ukraine.

                    and now let's tighten, stretch as much as possible, and try to give out some kind of plausible version in connection with which something will be paid to the swindler (like you admitted it laughing ) hodor laughing
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                    go nuts! that is, hodor stole the money, but the "other crooks" put him in and took the money from him and now Is Russia obliged to return 50 lard to the cheater by the fact that its shareholders lobbied in a foreign court a lawsuit? laughing
                    Oh well...


                    Her .. Russia is obliged to leave these assets to other crooks, because they "lobbied" it in our court ..

                    When it was you, you initially began to focus on the rogue hod, and the wrong courts .. I just pointed out that there the other side is no less dirty !! In fact, I do not care how this thing ends ..

                    if you suddenly forgot then I remind you that the lawsuit against Gazprom was 12 billion. well, you never mind, memory bounced off in the fight against redhead

                    In fact, there was more to Gazprom .. And even more from Gazprom was ..
                    But in fact it was Gazprom who paid it !!

                    2.9 billion was paid in accordance with the contract for undelivered gas. the situation was controversial due to the fact that this mainly happened through the fault of Ukraine.
                    Here you see..
                    Also, the "difficult economic situation" - it seems like it was not our fault either .. But in the end we paid them !! So you are pushing now to blind candy from G. ..))


                    a new supply agreement has been concluded that excludes not only the re-emergence of such a lawsuit also makes a direct correlation between the continuation of supplies and the emergence of new claims by Ukraine.

                    Here you have everywhere victory ..))
                    Meanwhile:


                    Gazprom does not intend to continue relations with Ukraine as a transit country for Russian gas after 2019, Alexander Medvedev, deputy chairman of the Gazprom board, told reporters.

                    “After the end of the transit contract with Ukraine, there will be no extension or conclusion of a new transit contract under any circumstances. Due to economic, commercial, technological, investment and political risks for gas transit, there will no longer be Ukrainian transit, even if the sun changes the moon with places. The analysis was carried out: in order for the Ukrainian system to function even in the current mode, $ 12 billion should be invested in order to support transit, "he said.



                    So, I repeat - do not bet better on these topics ..
                    They may not pay anything to Hodor .. or maybe it’s quite what they have to ..
                    As I had to give 3 lard, and sign a new contract, and shake up with SP2, and much more .. And always before that they shouted - Never !!
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                    Quote: Roman070280
                    I just pointed out that there the second side is no less dirty !!

                    you may not believe it, but I don’t argue with that at all yes
                    Quote: Roman070280
                    Also, the "difficult economic situation" - it seems like it was not our fault either .. But in the end we paid them !! So you are pushing now to blind candy from G. ..))

                    I am? bother? wassat are you stubbornly shouting that Gazprom paid the lawsuit, but am I pushing? what
                    not 12 lard but 2.9, not by claim, but as a result of negotiations by mutual agreement. no, do not catch? bully
                    you are in a joke ... is it true that Monya won 1 million in the lottery? truth! but not in the lottery, but in cards, and not 1 million but 100 rubles, and did not win, but lost. laughing
                    Quote: Roman070280
                    Meanwhile:

                    right? are you sure so but not like that?
                    Gazprom is ready to begin negotiations with the new Ukrainian authorities on direct gas supplies. This statement was made by Alexey Miller on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg Economic Forum at a meeting with Viktor Medvedchuk, head of the political council of the Ukrainian party, Opposition Platform for Life, and party co-chairman Yuriy Boyko.

                    Quote: Roman070280
                    So, I repeat - do not bet better on these topics ..
                    They may not pay anything to Hodor .. or maybe it’s quite what they have to ..

                    it is very doubtful ... if with ukrams it is at least somehow economically motivated, then with a hodor in any way. already how many years there in any way? Remind me how many years he begs money? Of course, not he, but his shareholders, but even nothing happened to them. wink
        3. Revival 18 February 2020 16: 32 New
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          And did not pull and the speediest and without 3kkk?
          And why not?
          After all, it was just so praised!
          PS
          What I didn’t pull, I myself know.
          And there was nothing wrong with this, if they had not boasted ahead of time
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            And did not pull and the speediest and without 3kkk?

            what are you talking about? about the fact that the EU insisted on continuing the transit, and when settling the dispute, ukram set off gas by 3ccs?
            or do you just want to shout about "paidtrilardaaaa !!!!"? laughing
            Quote: Revival
            And why not?

            and because the EU needs this, with which Gazprom needs a contract for a sum significantly greater than 3cc in the form of gas that is already in Ukraine and cannot be returned.
            Quote: Revival
            After all, it was just so praised!

            Who? your colleagues Well, you have such a job, make a lot of noise wink
            1. Revival 18 February 2020 16: 43 New
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              Well, officially praised from the TV, I have no colleagues there
            2. Sanichsan 18 February 2020 16: 47 New
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              Well, officially praised from the TV, I have no colleagues there

              Where???
              I have never met any official news in the style of “pay nothing !! 1”. in official news, quite sane people said that there was a trial, that certain decisions were being made, that appeals were being made.
              though .. if you are talking about a talk show then yes. there can’t say something like that wink
          2. Revival 18 February 2020 16: 46 New
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            "but because the EU needs this, with which Gazprom needs a contract worth much more than 3cc in the form of gas that is already in Ukraine and cannot be returned."
            Yes, they just boasted that they say no concessions in matters of payment, so we conclude a contract with the EU.
            Not pulled? And they didn’t know that they would not pull?
            What did not know that there are no levers of pressure on the EU in this matter?
            They knew.
            Why did they swagger in order to yield louder in the end?
            We wouldn’t swagger and one could at least pretend to say that they say “working situation”, “circumstances”.
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            Yes, they just boasted that they say no concessions in matters of payment, so we conclude a contract with the EU.
            Not pulled? And they didn’t know that they would not pull?
            What did not know that there are no levers of pressure on the EU in this matter?
            They knew.
            Why did they swagger in order to yield louder in the end?
            We wouldn’t swagger and one could at least pretend to say that they say “working situation”, “circumstances”.

            if you continue to form your opinion on the basis of a talk show, then you will amuse others very much laughing wassat like now laughing
  • St Petrov 18 February 2020 13: 50 New
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    Naftogaz did not crack from 3 lards ..))

    Ukrainian caught overpowering - funny and sometimes pathetic sight.
    Aryan, your government fucks you while you draw emoticons from the aggressor on the resource here.

    Dialogue.ua is waiting for you. There your fellow tribesmen help in the comments. And you all climb onto the resource, where you have to be sad, reading the truth about your homeland.

    I do not understand such characters. And you do not write on mov. No pride for Ukraine and for its rural dialect. Patriot. Do you even sing the anthem?

    When registering on the site, Ukrainians should be asked: “Whose Crimea” and many waffles will disappear. Give the right discrimination

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      accounts sad while reading the truth about their homeland.

      Yes, you already answered yourself higher ..
      funny and pathetic sight in places.
      Aryan, your government fucks you,


      But you don’t be sad .. you can frustrate your evil on me .. It’s because of me that the Motherland has come to the point that the athletes are excluded from the competition, with our salaries we pay either Yanukovych or Naftogaz, and pensioners' money lies at the bottom of the Baltic Sea. .

      I do not understand such characters.

      You don’t understand anything at all .. You don’t even understand that normal people have already gotten all these victories and breakthroughs of Putin .. You Ukrainians have eaten your whole brain from the Box .. you don’t see anything around ..))

      When registering on the site, Ukrainians should be asked: "Whose Crimea" and many waffles will disappear.


      Now you can disappear ..
      1. St Petrov 18 February 2020 14: 23 New
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        Ukrainians have eaten your brain from the Box .. you see nothing else around ..

        Why are you ashamed to admit that you are an ancient Aryan?

        PS Remember that when a pig moves to a den, it does not become a bear.
        PPS I’ll be happy to give you a call now and be enchanted by your accent

        Will you write me your number on the PM?
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          why are you ashamed to admit that you are a Ukrainian who has galloped his country for lace shorts?
          1. St Petrov 18 February 2020 14: 27 New
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            Ukrainian, galloping his country for lace shorts?


            you surprised me now. So you're from another place. Where are you broadcasting from? Where else are offended so much on Russian?

            We need our local chat roulette here. See the eyebrows of the interlocutor

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              You have already answered:
              You don’t understand anything at all .. You don’t even understand that normal people have already gotten all these victories and breakthroughs of Putin .. You Ukrainians have eaten your whole brain from the Box .. you don’t see anything around ..))
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                Chamomile shy. I want to regulate the flow of foreigners on this site.
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              We need here our local chat roulette. See the eyebrows of the interlocutor

              You need a doctor ..
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    1. Sanichsan 18 February 2020 15: 22 New
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      Lord, Authors, do you even check the text of your articles before posting them.

      it certainly is, but why are you writing all this here?
      there is a special link under the article for errors wink
  • Starover_Z 18 February 2020 19: 53 New
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    pay $ 50 billion ...

    Muzzle will not crack?

    At us - it will not crack and we will pay! And more than once! And to deprive all property of those lawyers who draw up and sign agreements that later turn out to be failures for the country and the people, not not for HAP-MenACHER corporations! And let those lawyers pay the scam to the end of their days!
    PS And now it remains to wait for the minuses for their point of view. Probably from officials and lawyers!
  • vik669 20 February 2020 13: 18 New
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    Tea does not crack with polonium but ...!
  • Revival 18 February 2020 13: 53 New
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    From these amendments they are not cold and not hot in this matter, as we are
  • URAL72 18 February 2020 14: 32 New
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    It seems to me that Khodorkovsky will not reach retirement ...
  • mavrus 18 February 2020 14: 47 New
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    "Long live the Hague court! The most humane court in the world!"
    It is a pity Vitsin died, he would have voiced this slogan forever!
    Our grandchildren and great-grandchildren would have laughed.
  • PROXOR 19 February 2020 12: 42 New
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    Turn off those censorship !!! I have a FALSE RESPONSE !!!! With Gary Oldman in the lead role.
  • Loess 18 February 2020 13: 30 New
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    Russia has a legal opportunity to challenge this decision by appealing to the Supreme Court of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

    The fact is that very soon a clause may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that Russian laws are recognized to prevail over international laws, and the latter will be executed only if they do not strike against Russia's interests.

    It is necessary to challenge and drag out the time until the amendments are accepted. And then we'll see whose take ...
    1. Same lech 18 February 2020 13: 54 New
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      It is necessary to challenge and drag out the time until the amendments are accepted. And then we'll see whose take ...

      Nothing to dispute ...
      It is just that the Moscow City Court (or any other court of Russia) must render its verdict not to pay by decision of the GAAGI court, and vice versa, demand that Khodorkovsky be paid for all the damage done to Russia and his firm Yukos.
      1. Revival 18 February 2020 14: 16 New
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        I agree.
        There is only one nuance that is extremely important for modern Russia, then it is necessary to withstand their economic and political coercive measures, and it would be nice to have their own measures on them to ensure their decision in action.
        And here I foresee Great difficulties ...
    2. Revival 18 February 2020 13: 56 New
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      And what will the amendments give?
      We can refuse to pay anyway, but whether we can withstand the consequences of pressure for refusal does not depend on amendments at all.
      We ourselves signed up for this arbitration, so now even with the amendments, even without them, we can either do it or just not do it.
      1. Elephant 18 February 2020 14: 03 New
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        Indeed, these amendments will not do much while we are bound by many international treaties!
        1. Revival 18 February 2020 14: 18 New
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          That's right!
          And to allow yourself to have, conclude contracts on your own terms, this is the problem! And the amendments here are side
      2. Sanichsan 18 February 2020 15: 27 New
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        We can refuse to pay anyway

        legally no. only delay the process. but if domestic law is recognized as prevailing, then on the basis of our own court we can not only not pay, but also demand payments and make property seizures.
        Do you understand that the problem now is that the decision of international courts, which by the way are controlled by our partners, is a priority on the basis of the constitution? hi drunk straight to hell for that. angry
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    the fact is that very soon a clause may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that Russian laws are recognized to prevail over international laws, and the latter will be executed only if they do not strike against the interests of Russia.

    and how does it prevent the seizure of property rf around the world?
    1. Volodin 18 February 2020 13: 40 New
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      and how does it prevent the seizure of property rf around the world?

      No way. And at the same time, it will not prevent Russia from arresting the property of the “whole world” you mentioned (these countries are well known) on its territory ...
      1. protoss 18 February 2020 13: 41 New
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        I believe that in this exchange the account will not be in our favor
        1. krops777 18 February 2020 13: 46 New
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          I believe that in this exchange the account will not be in our favor


          If you start to persecute those who illegally pass these verdicts, then the score may very well change in our favor, if only there is enough courage in power.
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            shoot Dutch judges? so-so move.
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            wrongfully makes these verdicts


            And why is it wrong ??
            The Russian Federation itself participates in these courts there, recognizes their jurisdiction, and filed appeals ..
            So everything is legitimate ..
            Ukraine recently salivated .. did not begin to pursue anyone ..
            In general, it’s nonsense - why participate in courts / organizations and other structures if their decisions can not be implemented .. Then they would leave a long time ago, otherwise they would also pay their fees .. Then it would be possible to unrecognize ..
        2. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 13: 54 New
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          do you want to pay 50?
          1. protoss 18 February 2020 13: 58 New
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            nothing depends on my Wishlist.
            I would like to see people sitting upstairs who would calculate the consequences of their actions.
            and then we gave Yanukovych 3 yards, then the north stream got up, then Naftogaz was paid. solid popos.
            1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 14: 01 New
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              Naftogaz was not paid anything, the flow rose temporarily, the courts are in debt
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                blessed are believers
                1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 14: 04 New
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                  the trolls came running again, again they all disappeared, even with you it’s not interesting
              2. ender 18 February 2020 15: 21 New
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                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                Naftogaz was not paid anything, the flow rose temporarily, the courts are in debt


                and pink ponies are jumping around ..

                https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/2271861/
                1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 15: 42 New
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                  pink glasses)))))
                  1. ender 18 February 2020 15: 53 New
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                    Very good for you. truth

                    fifty billion sail away
                    Meet with them you do not wait.
                    And although we are a little sorry for the money
                    The best is of course ahead

                    Tablecloth tablecloth long way creeps
                    And he rests on the president.
                    Everyone believes in Putin,
                    Our Russian carriage is rolling.
                    1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 15: 59 New
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                      already said that the trial will continue therefore you rejoice early))))
                      1. ender 18 February 2020 16: 08 New
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                        The news flies to all ends:
                        You believe us fathers -
                        There will be new victories
                        There will be new fighters.


                        And the trial continues again!
                        And the heart is anxious in chest!
                        And if they give the loot
                        Say - Putin defeated everyone !!
                        And if-and again will give
                        Say - Putin defeated everyone !!
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              security forces in the economy and other things are not very strong
      2. Roman070280 18 February 2020 13: 54 New
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        Yeah .. let's also arrest those who accused our athletes of doping and removed Russia from the competition ..
        Like adults, but how to write ..))
      3. Barmaleyka 18 February 2020 13: 56 New
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        Quote: Volodin
        No way. And at the same time it will not prevent Russia from arresting the property of the “whole world” you mentioned

        do not write nonsense; name the property of the STATES above mentioned on the territory of the Russian Federation
        1. Barmaleyka 18 February 2020 14: 04 New
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          Well, yes, minus is easier to put than mosk stress
          will the answer be?
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          the news has already appeared that the Justice Ministry will continue the trial, we diverge for another 5 years
      4. Lamata 18 February 2020 13: 59 New
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        What the Russian Federation will never do. Putin’s gut is thin.
        1. Barmaleyka 18 February 2020 17: 42 New
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          What the Russian Federation will never do. Putin’s gut is thin.

          the question is not who has the “gut” thicker, will you name a lot of Dutch companies outside the territory of the Russian Federation with a share of state capital?
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            Do you have any?
            1. Barmaleyka 18 February 2020 17: 44 New
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              I don’t know about the Dutch, the Germans and the British have it, but there probably isn’t anything to grab on the territory of the Russian Federation
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                Hardly European state-owned companies (if any) will climb into the Russian Federation.
                1. Barmaleyka 18 February 2020 19: 17 New
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                  that's about talking, in this ring we have nothing to hook them on but they ....
                  1. Lamata 18 February 2020 21: 22 New
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                    So no one ever thought about it, ours climbed into Europe and then without thinking, and now they can be pressed at once for Faberge.
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                      Quote: Lamata
                      So no one ever thought about it

                      and it’s a pity that Gandhi would have had banderlogs before Lviv and would not have had problems with Naftogaz
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                        Something I did not understand the meaning of your comment, why gandhi?
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                        what gandhi?

                        gnali, writing in the blind keys next
    2. Revival 18 February 2020 15: 32 New
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      That's right, and the question of amendments is sideways
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    there will be no arrests, then the whole economic system of the world is in ruins
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      have you forgotten noga’s case and many years of butting in the courts for much less money and all kinds of arrests in many countries of the world?
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        and what is the result? nothing succeeded
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          but drank some blood, indirect losses are considerable. Yes, and some amounts (millions of euros) still had to be paid, though not by the foot, but by the third or fourth assignees.
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            let them drink, they are not capable of big
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          even as it happened, debts were redeemed, property was seized
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            not in this case, Russia simply will not be able to pay, therefore, it will not do it
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              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              Russia simply will not be able to pay, therefore, it will not do it

              therefore, property will be seized, and given that some large companies are state-owned, then ....
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                everyone will arrest Russia and kirdyk? even to arrest a small part will take many years
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                  Quote: Nastia Makarova
                  even to arrest a small part will take many years

                  how old are you?!
                  behave like a child
                  UGS facilities with the participation of the Gazprom Group as a co-investor:
                  in Germany - 3
                  in Austria - 1
                  in Serbia - 1
                  in the Czech Republic - 1
                  in Latvia - 1
                  Current UGS facilities of the Gazprom Group:
                  in Germany - 1
                  1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 15: 40 New
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                    Well, all Gazprom is bankrupt)))))
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                      you go to extremes, just for the amount of 50 lard they will arrest our property, it will be more difficult for us to do it once. in addition, accounts of the sber of Gazprom and other state companies as well as payments to them passing through Western banks that recognize the validity of court decisions may also fall under the arets. Museum expositions, sea vessels, etc. fall into this series.
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                      1. already said that there will be an appeal of Russia))) 2-3 years
                      2. To arrest you need a new court and again years
                      3. did you give up too quickly and want to pay?
                      4. 5 years ago, too, there was a decision to pay and nothing was beaten off
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                      Quote: Nastia Makarova
                      To arrest you need a new court and again years

                      they will be arrested between the beginning of the next trial and today's decision, there are already precedents
                      Quote: Nastia Makarova
                      did you give up too quickly and want to pay?

                      Can you read? !!!
                      or are you one of those who sees pluses in the cemetery, the problem is that we will not be able to answer what we can not arrest in the territory of the Russian Federation
                    4. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 16: 25 New
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                      wait and see how everything will be, let them try to arrest
                  2. Barmaleyka 18 February 2020 16: 23 New
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                    5 years ago, too, there was a decision to pay and nothing was beaten off

                    5 years ago there was no Crimea and a Boeing
      2. g1washntwn 18 February 2020 14: 56 New
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        And this is a move. Our economy is torn to shreds, Obama as witnesses. For effect, it’ll pass along the UN corridor with the song “We are not local ...” will post evidence on Twitter. All insolvency proven! lol
        1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 15: 02 New
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          it will be so)))))
  • Kronos 18 February 2020 13: 48 New
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    Arrests of property by court order is quite common in world practice
    1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 13: 51 New
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      arrests of state property ????
      1. Kronos 18 February 2020 13: 52 New
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        Yes state
        1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 13: 56 New
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          it does not oblige to pay, the more so that they will appeal for another 10 years
          1. Barmaleyka 18 February 2020 14: 08 New
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            For the sake of Anastasia, do not spoil your impression about yourself, well, keep silent about the topic
            1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 14: 12 New
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              and who is in the subject? since 2006, these courts have dragged on, and another 20 years will be
              1. Barmaleyka 18 February 2020 14: 13 New
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                Once again, according to the “leg” we paid according to the rhythm if the court accepts the property will be arrested and we can’t answer with anything
                1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 14: 19 New
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                  and that everything was gone? the trial is not over yet, why guess?
  • Revival 18 February 2020 15: 33 New
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    The only problem is the incompatibility of the possibilities of us and “them” in terms of economic pressure
  • Revival 18 February 2020 13: 58 New
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    That's right, there is nothing to do with the amendments.
    It can afford to refuse, you allow, but it is rather a matter of economics and politics, of influence in the world.
    And if you can’t survive the consequences of refusal either, you can pay with or without amendments
  • Oleg1 18 February 2020 14: 06 New
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    And what will prevent us from arresting the property of countries that have made an unjust decision in Russia in a lawsuit in our court? And there .... there are essentially sweet pieces ....
    1. Barmaleyka 18 February 2020 14: 10 New
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      and a lot of property on the territory of the Russian Federation "countries that made an unlawful decision" ?!
      1. Oleg1 18 February 2020 17: 04 New
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        Quote: Barmaleyka
        and a lot of property on the territory of the Russian Federation "countries that made an unlawful decision" ?!

        Enough ... and there are factories and factories, oh tidbits ...
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          Enough ... and there are factories and factories, oh tidbits ...

          kindergarten pants with straps, name at least one with state capital
    2. Revival 18 February 2020 15: 34 New
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      Do not overestimate our capabilities in opening such a war of "total arrests"
    3. Barmaleyka 18 February 2020 17: 34 New
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      name the property of third countries in the Russian Federation
  • Sanichsan 18 February 2020 15: 29 New
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    and how does it prevent the seizure of property rf around the world?

    probably the prospect of arrests of foreign property in Russia wink
    1. Oleg1 18 February 2020 17: 04 New
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      So if they first begin to lose something?
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      Quote: SanichSan
      probably the prospect of arrests of foreign property in Russia

      not just foreign, but state property, and you’re unlikely to find one
  • Fat
    Fat 18 February 2020 16: 24 New
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    the fact is that very soon a clause may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that Russian laws are recognized to prevail over international laws, and the latter will be executed only if they do not strike against the interests of Russia.

    and how does it prevent the seizure of property rf around the world?

    It doesn’t hurt. There is only one way out: to tighten the process and all the “property” is either washed away or eliminated. Blurring is preferred. If Russia will have a nominal 10-20% share. The rest of the Hague shareholders will not just tear ...
    Then Hodor slightly outplayed the leadership of the Russian Federation ... Temporarily, I hope.
    But diamond roads showed for sure. Who drew the mountain of money to the shareholders? Federation or Khodorkovsky?
    None mastered, served a little bit
    And then .... "They again took up their own!"
    (C) L. Carroll, Alice through the looking glass
  • Thrifty 18 February 2020 13: 33 New
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    Guys, you messed up, we will transfer the right to pay you 50 billion dollars or euros for this. You yourself can challenge this decision. Alternatively, let all of this Yukos pay the money to yourself from your pocket! They profitable sickliness, for them such amounts are a mere trifle!
    1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 13: 50 New
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      They profitable sickliness, for them such amounts are a mere trifle!

      In the USSR, stole 50 rubles and more, criminal liability, stole 50 000 rubles and more, the highest measure of social protection.
  • Sergey Medvedev 18 February 2020 13: 35 New
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    I will not be surprised that our authorities will begin to pay this money. As for the dispute between Gazprom and Naftogaz. And for us - "no money, but you hold on." The government buys a controlling stake in Sberbank for 2,5 trillion rubles. And for us - "no money, but you hold on." We will write off debts to some countries. And for us - "no money, but you hold on."
    1. Roman070280 18 February 2020 13: 56 New
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      I won’t be surprised that our authorities will start paying this money

      Yes, where should they go then .. All hope is only on appeal ..
      On the other hand .. for us, anyway, there’s no difference .. The undead are rich, nothing to start ..
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich 18 February 2020 13: 35 New
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    Now the flying detachment of Ivanov Petrovichy will join: Nexus, Gardamir, Lexus and Svarog - the prophet of this trinity (as well as other members of the choir), and they will explain to respected commentators that Russia will definitely pay as it paid to Ukraine, because it will not quarrel with its Western partners, since children and money, and who has real estate with citizenship.
    1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 13: 42 New
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      Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
      and they will explain to a respected commentator that Russia will definitely pay as it paid to Ukraine, because it will not quarrel with its Western partners,

      Tear money from children, patients, pensioners and give it to thieves. The mind is incomprehensible.
    2. Gardamir 18 February 2020 13: 44 New
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      Actually, I am just against the bourgeoisie. Against the flying detachment of the Peskovy, Shuvalovs, Medvedevs, Chubays.
      And then, what doesn’t suit you? Putin, not Russia, pays Naftogaz’s bills.
      And finally, you can wait, we'll see who is right there. Only then adopt the new Constitution, and mark the day of the regiment.
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 18 February 2020 13: 50 New
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        Against the flying squad of Peskovy, Shuvalovs, Medvedevs, Chubays

        But how is Rogozin? Or is he the hero of not your novel?
        There are so many people who hate so many, and who you will not remember.
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      Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
      because it will not quarrel with its Western partners, as children and money, and who has real estate with citizenship.

      You are absolutely right. So probably it will be. And notice it you wrote, not
      Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
      Ivanov Petrovichy flying squad: Nexus, Gardamir, Lexus and Svarog - the prophet of this trinity
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        It would be more appropriate for you to quote this quote.
        as well as other members of the choir
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      this trinity is a prophet (as well as other members of the choir), and they will explain to respected commentators that Russia will pay as it paid to Ukraine, because it will not quarrel with Western partners, as children and money, and who has real estate with citizenship.


      Sidor Amenpodestovich will now explain to distinguished commentators why actually Russia paid Ukraine ..))
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 18 February 2020 15: 49 New
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        What, in fact, I wanted to say.
        If (well, or when) Russia pays for Yukos’s lawsuit, a bacchanalia of comments will break out in the discussion of this news, such as: “No one doubted; it was obvious; they would try not to pay” and so on.
        But if, all the same, and in spite of everything, news appears, like "Russia has decided not to pay $ 50 billion," the comments would be something like this: "They were allowed not to pay; it means that they will give something back for an even larger amount" and things like that.
        But no one writes: "I claimed that they would pay, now I admit, I was wrong." No one.
        1. Roman070280 18 February 2020 15: 58 New
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          You can and vice versa ..
          No one will write: "I claimed that they would not pay, now I admit I was wrong."
          Actually, nobody seems to argue for money here, but only suggest ..
    5. Revival 18 February 2020 14: 01 New
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      Essential sports.
      Examples in favor of what they pay are, you will see the opposite, and her just an empty comment on advancing the truth
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 18 February 2020 14: 11 New
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        What to challenge? What will not be paid? I did not say this, and my comment was not at all about that.
        And about how many enthusiastic “I told you !!!” if the forecast comes true, there are bubbles in the puddle after “Verily I tell you, it will be so!”
    6. Artur Loginov 18 February 2020 14: 10 New
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      Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
      Russia will certainly pay as it paid to Ukraine, because it will not quarrel with its Western partners, since there are children and money, and who has real estate with citizenship.

      Isn’t that so?
    7. Varyag71 18 February 2020 15: 31 New
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      Do you doubt it ?! They will pay, but they will keep us.
  • voyaka uh 18 February 2020 13: 37 New
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    The Yukos affair has “come back” after many years.
    Tactical success - a crushing blow to an independent oligarch - turned into a strategic problem.
    1. Volodin 18 February 2020 13: 43 New
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      And tomorrow the court of Vyshny Volochok will render its verdict ...
      Mutual arrests of property - generally speaking, this is a dead end. Therefore, the strategic problem will be transferred to the level of tactical misunderstanding.
      1. voyaka uh 18 February 2020 13: 49 New
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        Do not tell ... The decision of the Hague or London court / arbitration is serious. There may be a lot of trouble in foreign trade because of this decision.
        Russia itself has repeatedly appealed to London, Stockholm for justice in trade disputes. And sometimes she won a lot of money in cases against Ukraine, Lithuania.
        1. Gardamir 18 February 2020 14: 16 New
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          Come on, how serious can this be if Russia has the best foreign policy in the last thousand years. Well and accordingly the same politician.
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            Quote: Gardamir
            and accordingly the same politician.

            The lonely tradesman sits and decides for all world politics. fellow
    2. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 13: 45 New
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      do not write bullshit !!! what problem? again 10 years process will be delayed
    3. Mountain shooter 18 February 2020 13: 48 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Tactical success - a crushing blow to an independent oligarch - turned into a strategic problem.

      How wrong you are. It was not just a thief, but also a murderer ... All this crocheting will last for tens of years. No strategic problems have been seen so far. There is a war. The fight of the bulldogs under the carpet. Sometimes something "brings" to the surface ...
      1. voyaka uh 18 February 2020 13: 53 New
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        There were two cases against Khodorkovsky:
        1) on theft of oil; 2) on tax evasion from these thefts.
        On account of these cases, a private firm was confiscated from him. Confiscation of private property is always fraught with legal consequences.
        1. Liam 18 February 2020 13: 57 New
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          There were two cases against Khodorkovsky:
          1) on theft of oil; 2) on tax evasion from these thefts.
          On account of these cases, a private firm was confiscated from him. Confiscation of private property is always fraught with legal consequences.

          The paradox is that these cases were in the reverse order: first they planted and selected the company for tax evasion, and after a few years they added another period for allegedly stealing the oil of his company from himself
        2. Servisinzhener 19 February 2020 10: 03 New
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          Confiscation of private property is always fraught with legal consequences.
          I fully agree with this statement. About private property in general as suchBut ... This "private property" was obtained through a fraudulent scheme. Which organized Khodorkovsky with his accomplices. Simply put, stolen.
          1. Arpad 19 February 2020 10: 10 New
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            Quote: Servisinzhener
            But ... This "private property" was obtained through a fraudulent scheme. Which organized Khodorkovsky with his accomplices. Simply put, stolen.

            This company was officially established in Russia. officially traded on international exchanges, etc. etc.
            She had shareholders. those. people who invested in this company, who had absolutely no idea. she was stolen, not stolen and stolen at all (or just some oligarchs decided to squeeze her from other oligarchs) - does not play a role.
            The state confiscated it as a type of stolen - wonderful.
            And why steal money from private investors who invested in it when it (the company) was kind of clean?
            we are not talking about - a vernier company Khodorkovsky. it comes - return the money to shareholders.
            You took them with the company.
            I will give you an example. the builder built a house, you bought an apartment in it. zaye. 10 years later, some local oligarch decided to squeeze out the company of the developer (having ten apartments in this house). I pressed it and suddenly you find out that the apartment you honestly bought and paid for is no longer yours, you were thrown out of it along with things and all your statements. that you bought it under Russian laws and so on and so forth. that it is written in your name in the appropriate instances - stumbles upon one thing, the former developer Pupkin is a thief.
            Well, take away part of it. and mine return to me - you say - and you will be right.
            Here is the same garbage with Yukos shareholders.
            I clearly explained?
            1. Lopatov 19 February 2020 11: 09 New
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              I clearly explained?

              Are you trying to convince everyone that the protection of property obtained through corruption and fraud is normal?
              From the Deputy Minister of Fuel and Energy of Russia to the hydrocarbon billionaire for 4 years .... so what are you, no corruption, no fraud, all exclusively by your labor
            2. Servisinzhener 19 February 2020 20: 24 New
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              This you can tell those who were born after landing Khodorkovsky. About a successful businessman from whom everything was taken away and sent to prison. I once studied the history of Yukos well. As in general, the process of privatization and secured auctions. And I have stories like yours that only make you smile.
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        Where are the court decisions on the killings?
  • Andrei Nikolaevich 18 February 2020 13: 38 New
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    Would you sit, dear, further .... You look and extra time, shlopotal. Everything is calmer. Both to you and your Hague ...
  • tihonmarine 18 February 2020 13: 39 New
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    The documents of the Court of Appeal featured an amount of 50 billion dollars (according to other sources - 50 billion euros). And the decision of the Hague District Court was recognized as a "mistake." It is the amount of 50 billion that requires Russia to pay the “former shareholders” the court of The Hague.
    It’s so many lards that these ghouls or thieves have robbed the country and people, shouting to the whole world that they are "democrats. And by what court should they judge not the court in The Hague but the people of Russia?
  • Graz 18 February 2020 13: 39 New
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    not 50 billion bucks, but a medium-range ballistic missile must be sent to the address of the court so as not to
  • rotmistr60 18 February 2020 13: 41 New
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    court decision in The Hague
    Under the guise of justice, this European viper has long been necessary to send a dense forest ...
    an amount of 50 billion requires Russia to pay the "former shareholders" the Hague court.
    Can you also run for hemp? Nevertheless, at one time they did a lot of stupidity ahead of schedule by freeing Khodorkovsky. So we are reaping the decisions of the courts, the slander of the media affiliated with him and the financing of the opposition.
  • Strashila 18 February 2020 13: 41 New
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    What is difficult to organize a court decision on a trillion dollars in favor of Russia for the damage caused by the company’s actions, that we have few village courts.
    1. Roman070280 18 February 2020 14: 49 New
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      There are many settlements, but there are no international ones ..
      1. Strashila 18 February 2020 15: 05 New
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        Cross out with the marker “settlement”, write “international” on the top, one minute.
        1. Roman070280 18 February 2020 15: 25 New
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          We read again - there are a lot of townships, but no international ..
          1. Strashila 18 February 2020 15: 40 New
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            As you call a yacht, it will sail.
  • Kronos 18 February 2020 13: 43 New
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    They will pay, of course, otherwise the property of the oligarchy abroad will be arrested.
  • meandr51 18 February 2020 13: 46 New
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    In fact, international laws are still not subject to automatic execution in the Russian Federation. Only after their ratification by the State Duma. Those. after the recognition of international law by Russian.
  • askort154 18 February 2020 13: 48 New
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    As soon as the Khodorkovsky pops up in the media, it means some kind of regular Russophobic fuss has appeared. And the thought involuntarily arises - not many were amnestied by the president ahead of schedule, but why exactly this scum ?!
    Himself, probably already bites his elbows. That he was addicted to the "sick mother". And the murder of Petukhov (mayor of Nefteyugansk) was hushed up. Now this ghoul would sit in a "life-long" cell, and spoil the air only for himself.
    1. Kronos 18 February 2020 13: 56 New
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      So he is his own of the former oligarchs how to not understand this
    2. Servisinzhener 18 February 2020 17: 31 New
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      His supporters still love to talk about the fact that if he didn’t run away he would be imprisoned again. For whatever business that would be fabricated by anyone from the security forces. Completely ignoring the fact that the release from prison was the result of an agreement between him and Putin under the obligation not to engage in politics. And I very much doubt that there would be someone who was from the special services who would "put" on this personal agreement.
  • Revival 18 February 2020 13: 49 New
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    “It’s worth noting that the court’s decision in The Hague, according to which tens of billions of dollars are demanded from Russia“ in favor of the Yukos shareholders, ”was made not at all accidentally at that time. Indeed, very soon a clause may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that Russian laws "they are recognized as dominant over international laws, and the latter will be executed only if they do not strike against the interests of Russia."

    This passage is nonsense not related to reality!
    What does the constitution have to do with some norms of internal laws?
    You can’t not pay, you don’t pay, but you can’t prevent the arrest of property abroad, etc., etc., you pay.
    It’s enough for the country to influence so that no one can rush to press it on the basis of a court decision, it means it doesn’t pay, and if the country is vulnerable to external pressure and dependent, then there are no amendments to the constitution ..
    So I can see it straight: we accepted the amendments and all of Europe’s hands dropped, and there’s no arrest whatsoever and no leverage, all our amendments interfere ...
    1. Gost2012 18 February 2020 14: 03 New
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      Quote: Revival


      This passage is nonsense not related to reality!
      What does the constitution and some norms of internal laws have to do with it? ....
      .

      Bullshit is worth looking elsewhere.
      In order not to pay by this decision, someone must give an order that violates the current Constitution. GDP is the guarantor of the Constitution. And here is how to give him such an order? The entire apparatus of government officials is guided by the current legislation, from the smallest to the GDP, and none of them, including GDP, can violate this legislation without consequences for themselves.
      Already after all, on the example of Naftogaz they explained, it does not reach.
      The state system is not a get-together in a pub.
      P.S. but in this case, I still can’t believe that they will pay, they will come up with something, I hope.
      1. Revival 18 February 2020 14: 06 New
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        What is the violation of the constitution if you do not pay?
        We pay because we are made an offer that we (those who decide to pay or not) cannot afford to refuse.
        And not because of the constitution
        1. Gost2012 18 February 2020 14: 17 New
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          The violation is that international law has priority, it was introduced in the 90s, after the collapse of the USSR. The court’s decision will become mandatory, so as not to pay, someone should forbid it, and thereby violate it. Not because of the lack of tanks and missiles there will be a payment, but because of this norm. In this case, the Russian Federation will look like an idler for the whole world; this decision will hang for the rest of its life until the Last Judgment.
          The new norm of the Constitution will give the right to the GDP to send them seriously in 3 letters, while referring to the norms of its Constitution and the decision of some Tmutarakan court.
          ps the stench in the case of the new Constitution will be many, of course, but in general it will satisfy everyone. Will be legally sound. Therefore, I believe that this is one of the most important amendments, along with the requirements for censorship of senior posts, this will strengthen the Russian Federation, its sovereignty. And they had to be accepted back in 2014, when it became clear that there would be no more agreements “as before” in the world.
          1. Revival 18 February 2020 14: 46 New
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            Yeah, but a unilateral refusal on the basis of unilaterally adopted amendments will certainly reassure and convince everyone. They will be treated with understanding ...
            For the external player, our amendments are empty space, we will still be "chaos" for them.
            Example: we have concluded a loan agreement with you, I owe you 1000000 rubles, I don’t give it back, you are in court, the court is in your favor.
            And once I changed the rules myself, the amendment introduced the fact that I no longer obey court decisions.
            You certainly accept it favorably, yes?
            Type like this: "but in general it will satisfy everyone. It will be legally justified."
            Strong logic!
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              Quote: Revival
              Yeah, but a unilateral refusal on the basis of unilaterally adopted amendments will certainly reassure and convince everyone. They will be treated with understanding ...
              For the external player, our amendments are empty space, we will still be "chaos" for them.
              Example: we have concluded a loan agreement with you, I owe you 1000000 rubles, I don’t give it back, you are in court, the court is in your favor.
              And once I changed the rules myself, the amendment introduced the fact that I no longer obey court decisions.
              You certainly accept it favorably, yes?
              Type like this: "but in general it will satisfy everyone. It will be legally justified."
              Strong logic!

              Add subjects to your example, for example, there is your wife who says (valid Constitution) - if you don’t give him the money, you’ll go to the village to live in the village. Or (amendments) - if you give him the money - you go to fuck your mother in the village to live.
              So clearer?
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                For the outside, the wife factor is an empty place.
                Especially if I took it to myself after the loan agreement
          2. Revival 18 February 2020 15: 30 New
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            There is no default priority of international law! There is no such problem at all.
            Priority commitments Voluntary !!! taken over by Russia, by signing any agreement or convention Voluntarily!
            At the same time, these treaties must be ratified voluntarily by the Duma (Russia), after the committee on "constitution" concludes that the signing and ratification of a treaty or convention is NOT contrary to the constitution!
            As much as he himself voluntarily signed and ratified, please be kind enough to fulfill it or officially withdraw from this treaty! What is the problem?
            Fighting the windmills!
            A bloated populist attempt to portray an ebullient and uncompromising struggle for sovereignty for internal use.
        2. Gost2012 18 February 2020 14: 32 New
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          Quote: Revival

          And not because of the constitution

          I would also add that in case of adoption of the amendments, the new Constitution is the other way around, should prohibit such payment, even if the official wanted it.
          Well, maybe it’s not literally a direct prohibition to make a payment to Yukos by the decision of The Hague in the Constitution itself, but other normative acts that will not allow acting to the detriment of the state will be brought into line with the new norms of the Constitution.
    2. Oleg1 18 February 2020 14: 08 New
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      Oh ... but we can’t file property for unlawful arrests in a Tagank court? We can ... and here the flow of foreign enterprises, arresting to the point of failure ...
      1. Revival 18 February 2020 14: 49 New
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        This is closer to the topic than the mythical amendments to the constitution.
        And here everything is straightforward and cynical, can we (the country and those who decide with us) drag out such a war of "arrests of accounts and property" !?
        1. Gost2012 18 February 2020 15: 14 New
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          Quote: Revival
          This is closer to the topic than the mythical amendments to the constitution.
          And here everything is straightforward and cynical, can we (the country and those who decide with us) drag out such a war of "arrests of accounts and property" !?

          Do not pull and can not. It will not be legal; it will lead practically to martial law. Here the property is not states, but companies that have no relation to history. From them there will be new lawsuits, with huge numbers, and will be willing to make decisions in their favor. And arrest for everything.
          And no leadership, neither present nor future, nor anything at all, will take over the taking of hostages and pirating property, unless you call the Vikings from Somalia to the Kremlin, but this will not be for long.
          Any such case will raise a big question of further cooperation with those who have already come to the Russian Federation, and it would be foolish to dream of new investors. And this will be the isolation of the Russian Federation from the whole world.
          1. Revival 18 February 2020 15: 22 New
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            Absolutely.
            And no amendments will help here, everything will come to the same even with them even without them, so amendments to this issue are empty
  • d1m1drol 18 February 2020 13: 53 New
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    Russia after that decision to appeal to the district court of the same Hague with a claim on the award of the arbitration.
    Is this something through Google translator or something?)
  • Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣ 18 February 2020 13: 53 New
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    50 billion dollars (according to other sources - 50 billion euros)

    A citizen of a foreign state, pulling on a judicial robe, with a light hand obliges my decision to give the convicted criminal a fifth of our annual budget.
    Our authorities proudly hold the banner of the country on the world stage, nothing can be said.
    1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 14: 06 New
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      Yes, anyway, what’s said there and made a decision
    2. Roman070280 18 February 2020 14: 54 New
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      A citizen of a foreign state, pulling on a judicial robe, with a light hand


      Lithuania finally lost in court a nearly eight-year dispute with Gazprom over the reimbursement of 1,4 billion euros, which Lithuania considers to be an overpayment for Russian gas supplies in 2004-2012. In December 2019, the Swedish Supreme Court (HSS) rejected the request of Lithuania to reconsider the decision of the Swedish Court of Appeal (HSS), according to which Lithuania would not receive 1,4 billion euros for allegedly overpaying for Russian gas.


      We will also be indignant ??)
  • prior 18 February 2020 14: 06 New
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    What kind of country is this for us where Yukos can be stolen, stolen, stolen, and then another $ 50 billion lawsuit should be put against us ?!
    Down with capitalism!
    And for Khodorkovsky in our vocabulary there are necessary words, as well as quite expressive gestures ....
    1. Bomb 18 February 2020 14: 33 New
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      Have your eyes opened? Not only a hodor stole. Once he stole, it means they gave such an opportunity. Taburetkin and the company, colonels of all stripes with common people for billions of rubles under a mattress do you honestly earned this money? And no one crouched. Lyulyukaev does not count. And for a loaf stolen by a grandmother or a chocolate bar for 5 years as a hello. And yes, we have such a country. Long live the fight against corruption =) there’s absolutely no time for buildup.
  • Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 14: 07 New
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    Now the trolls will run again and shout that everything is gone !!! that Russia will pay tomorrow
    1. Gardamir 18 February 2020 14: 27 New
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      You have nothing to write about? Everyone was shocked when the Kremlin began to pay Naftogaz. Unfortunately, nothing has changed yet.
      1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 14: 31 New
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        the trolls have already naminusovat !!!)))) The Kremlin did not pay anything !!! there was a general agreement that there would be no claims for 15 lard
  • Leshy1975 18 February 2020 14: 08 New
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    The fact is that very soon a clause may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that Russian laws are recognized to prevail over international laws, and the latter will be executed only if they do not strike against Russia's interests.

    But what about, of course, during such an amendment. Because the Kremlin "mega-strategists" drove themselves to where they drove. Of course, together with the country. And finally, it even dawned on them what kind of lawsuit, with a predicted outcome, is expected. This is a fed. The media, to applause, can be interviewed and told that everything has been done legally accurately and that "the mosquito of the nose will not undermine." Go then and prove it in international courts, yeah. For some reason, this “argument” has little effect.
    Gazprom’s lawsuit with Naftogaz, this was only the first call. And the same Ukraine, with claims for the Crimea, can claim huge amounts. And already engaged in this issue.
    And there will be a decision in the case of MH17 (I don’t even want to argue about who really is guilty. My (our) opinion will not in any way overturn the court’s decision), which will also probably include compensation, etc. And much more will be.
    But how can such an amendment protect Russia's foreign assets? The foreclosure will be primarily on them.
    Why am I all this. And to the fact that it is still higher than any declared rights in the World - the right of the strong. As the United States demonstrated when the Hague just hinted at international investigations into the US military. For this they did not require any changes in the laws. They hiccuped, said - Sha, and everything calmed down. Therefore, if anyone hopes that after the adoption of these amendments, the Russian Federation will be able to secure at least its property, well, keep your pocket wider. Not with the current government at the helm of the country. If relatives of senior officials, retired officials themselves, live in large numbers on the territory of countries declared unfriendly, then what kind of independence and strength of the country can we talk about? Remember the story of the removal of the flag from the embassy in the United States. Wow, how we all were indignant, wow, how we threatened to find an answer. So how did you find a decent answer? And in other cases (white flag at the Olympics, SP-2, etc.)?
    Well, here it will be the same. They will award, they will take away, and we will be indignant. And on the talk show they will correctly explain the message that the West is to blame again, we did everything again in the best way and get up from our knees. But for some reason, officials (and their children), the countries "lifted under Putin from their knees", which laws do not accept, will still seek to live in the USA, England and Germany for some reason. And not at home. The riddle. hi
    1. Ru_Na 18 February 2020 14: 24 New
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      I agree, in the world, as before, the strong is right, and the weak have to rely on the laws!
    2. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 14: 28 New
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      the only problem is that Russia will not be able to pay, otherwise the end.
  • Andrey Mikhaylov 18 February 2020 14: 11 New
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    When they say there is a vote. On the constitution ????
    1. Nastia makarova 18 February 2020 14: 26 New
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      in May there will be a vote
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        Thanks you.
  • Ru_Na 18 February 2020 14: 22 New
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    From a dead donkey ears, not money!
  • Mentat 18 February 2020 14: 24 New
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    Quote: kjhg
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    Yes, no one will pay and do not worry

    Naftogaz transferred money for the week. Although before that, all our officials “swore by their mother” that they would not pay anything. I mean, "never say never." Purely theoretically, a court, in order to recover a debt, can seize oil supplied by Russia to the EU. The mechanism for breeding suckers in the West has long been worked out. Where is the money of Muammar Gaddafi? Where is the money of Saddam Hussein? And from fresh, where is the money of Venezuela?

    Do not make yourself misunderstood. You all know very well, but scribble constantly forum anti-Russian comments.

    In short, paying a fixed amount to Ukraine was an exchange for:
    1. Refusal of any other claims by Ukraine. Now they can not sue either about the tariffs for pumping, or about the price, in general for no reason.
    2. Decrease in the level of gas supplies through Ukraine several times, which the Europeans resisted, but what was squeezed.

    In other words, a complete and final settlement of the issue on Ukraine, primarily with Europe, for a fixed amount not large on the scale of contracts, and not just for some kind of spherical vacuum tranche for no reason.
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      constantly write anti-Russian comments on the forum.

      And what did he write anti-Russian ??

      Naftogaz transferred money for the week. Although before that, all our officials “swore by their mother” that they would not pay anything.


      3 lard paid - this is a fact ..

      Want to call it an exchange ?? For God's sake..

      Disclaimer of any other claims from Ukraine. Now they cannot sue neither about the tariffs for pumping, nor about the price, generally for no reason.

      If the Russian Federation went to this exchange, then in order to avoid CLAIMS and to JUDGE.

      Further - when they will pay 50 billion (well, if) .. will we also call it EXCHANGE ??
      Say, we did not pay anything, but simply made an exchange for .. And then what you yourself wrote above ..

      So do not engage in a substitution of concepts ..
      How they paid 3 lard - according to the same concepts, 50 could be .. "In other words, a complete and final settlement of the question" Call it at least a lawsuit, at least an exchange ..
    2. Avior 18 February 2020 15: 57 New
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      . Refusal of any other claims by Ukraine. Now they can not sue either about the tariffs for pumping, or about the price, in general for no reason.

      Who told you that? There, they talked about stopping only those gas transit cases that have already been opened and nothing more.
      Just now the article was asking in court to pay for Naftogaz property in Crimea
    3. Titus 18 February 2020 16: 07 New
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      Is this done in any way?
  • Svetlana 18 February 2020 14: 25 New
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    Quote: Kronos
    Putin - while I am president, we will not raise the retirement age

    Give a link to his speech or video where he says these words.
    1. Avior 18 February 2020 14: 28 New
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      Did you want this?
      1. Svetlana 18 February 2020 14: 30 New
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        Yes thank you
  • rocket757 18 February 2020 14: 25 New
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    The case drags on for a long time, the courts are working and will continue ...
  • Bomb 18 February 2020 14: 25 New
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    One thief raped another and so on in a circle - everything is in law.
    1. divanka2021 18 February 2020 14: 37 New
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      only now the panas are fighting at the lackeys forelocks are cracking
  • Strashila 18 February 2020 14: 28 New
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    In general, if you think about it, it becomes strange that shareholders file lawsuits against the state, which has stopped illegal activities, and not to the "leaders" of these joint-stock companies.
  • Mentat 18 February 2020 14: 28 New
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    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    do you want to pay 50?

    They want to scribble comments, increasing their counter and getting their pennies for it.
  • Mentat 18 February 2020 14: 40 New
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    Quote: Leshy1975
    But how can such an amendment protect Russia's foreign assets? The foreclosure will be primarily on them.

    There will be no penalties. In Russia, a huge amount of investments of foreign companies, and the number of investments in Russia is growing significantly. Including, for your information, US pension funds are invested in Russia.
    Small European countries simply won’t be able to do such things. Germany, like France, will not do this, they have already shown the vector of movement.

    Therefore, your fantasies will remain fantasies.
    1. Avior 18 February 2020 14: 51 New
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      There are big doubts that this will be done.
      If we begin to take away assets from investors as a response to the actions of the courts of their countries, then the outflow of investors is inevitable.
  • Voltsky 18 February 2020 14: 42 New
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    50 lards ?! And why not just 500 ?!
  • Crystal of Truth 18 February 2020 14: 44 New
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    It's time to "collect stones"
  • sergey2183 18 February 2020 15: 17 New
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    We must send them on a distant erotic tour, along with everyone who is trying to breed Russia for money.
  • Astra55 18 February 2020 15: 18 New
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    Some court of a kingdom of the Netherlands obliges Russia to pay 50 KAMAZ greens to the former convict and his accomplices.
    Are they serious?
  • Berg berg 18 February 2020 15: 30 New
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    Let Khodorkovsky come to Russia for them and demand or take himself to the fullest in the mines with a Kyle!
  • Ross xnumx 18 February 2020 15: 32 New
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    But now, the Hague Court of Appeal has again ruled that “Russia has a big debt.” In the documents of the Appeal the court appears the amount of $ 50 billion.

    And DAM said that there is no money, but we did not believe him ...
    There is one good suggestion - to repay the debts with “expensive” ($ 1 per unit) nuclear warheads ... wassat Though right to court ... crying and, at least, to Khodorkovsky himself in London ... crying crying
    This will kill two birds with one stone ... repeat
  • Sotskiy 18 February 2020 15: 32 New
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    Indeed, very soon, a clause may appear in the Constitution of the Russian Federation that Russian laws are recognized as the dominant ones over international laws, and the latter will be executed only if they do not strike against the interests of Russia.

    Oh! belay And who has ratified these international laws in our country, that they beat and are striking in the interests of the Russian Federation and what is currently preventing them from withdrawing from these treaties, what needs to be changed directly to the RF RF? Perhaps this is again the evil Communists planted a bomb under the "scrap". lol
  • mavrus 18 February 2020 15: 41 New
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    As far as I understand, "a pig will always find dirt." And such a dashing verdict is not the first time that European (read interested) tricksters pass an anti-Russian sentence. And "our" legislators are guilty of this. That is, parasites from the State Duma. The law on privatization worked out "excellent", but they somehow forgot about the normal law on nationalization ... Why? The full feeling that intentionally.
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    I do not agree with the author - this court is not connected with a POSSIBLE amendment of the Constitution, but with the consent of Gazprom and Ukraine’s blackmail to pay for gas transits until the Nord Stream is completed. "The payer of the blackmailer should be willing to pay forever for any reason."
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    That's how little Holland bends over to Big Russia .. And they will pay ... And then they will carry out the next pension reform .. Russia is a generous soul! I recall here the upcoming amendments to our Constitution - this is not for this case the "primacy of domestic laws and international laws" .. this amendment will be so that our citizens, for any reason, do not write to the same] The Hague .. There are no corporations and international trade agreements amendments to the small-town constitutions do not concern .. - their own rules of the game exist there ... And then - we are not the United States to spit on world rules and laws .. We will fly for spitting .. So they will pay .. Otherwise, the partners will be offended and the deals they won’t conclude .. And Poland needs to be paid .. And the Baltics .. and indeed all of Europe .. It’s amazing, since the 90s of lawyers in the country, like dung flies for a bathhouse in a village, and in litigation, the country all the way in the accused .. see the fees of the accused party will be more ...
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      nothing to pay))))
  • georggy 18 February 2020 16: 00 New
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    And in The Hague there are also Aronovskys!
    It is teeming.
    They do not abandon their own.
  • Old Horseradish 18 February 2020 16: 20 New
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    They will pay and still pay extra. Oligarchic monkeys have the main loot in the West. Confiscate it - just spit. With this lever, the West can do anything. Which he does. It will be necessary and pay 500 billion. Well, talking dolls on TV will explain to us that this is a "tricky plan." The plan is really cunning, only against Russia.
  • Lamata 18 February 2020 16: 28 New
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    It’s a matter of reading, and so it’s difficult to judge
  • fa2998 18 February 2020 16: 37 New
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    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    Yes, no one will pay and do not worry

    But the arrests of Russian property will begin, it will have to move. They will create some kind of commission, we won’t pay everything, but some compensation will be agreed. And they will quietly pay from the budget.
    BUT THIS IS NOT IMPORTANT !!! And the old owners of the enterprise, that the new ones are ALL THIPS. To “squeeze out” a business in our conditions when using the administrative resource is as simple as that. They simply squeezed out some and gave them to others.
    As a result, the first will be with money, the second with production, officials with kickbacks. All costs will be borne by the ordinary taxpayer, the Russian budget. angry hi hi
  • God save the king 18 February 2020 16: 48 New
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    Avaricious pays twice, stupid three times, Russia always pays.
  • Mentat 18 February 2020 16: 53 New
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    There are big doubts that this will be done.
    If we begin to take away assets from investors as a response to the actions of the courts of their countries, then the outflow of investors is inevitable.

    You do not understand the point. Nobody will take anything, neither on this nor on this side. There is a threat of equal penalties, so no one will deal with the escalation of this issue for the sake of someone's idiotic political processes. Business is able to push through their interests, including through legalized lobbying mechanisms in the West.
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    Well, it's easier to build 62 K-560 Severodvinsk nuclear submarines with full ammunition of hypersonic Zircons and send them to the shores of Europe to argue their position! Are they even there in themselves, what are 50 billion dollars?
  • samarin1969 18 February 2020 17: 14 New
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    Here, she is the price of a "residence permit" in Europe: "Pay and repent ..."
    The weakness of the Russian Federation, depending on the "elite". And some “courts from The Hague”, the US Treasury, the Stockholm “honors” and other rogues of the world are already not weak.
    Russia has not seen such a shame for a very long time.
  • Looking for 18 February 2020 17: 21 New
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    I wonder where it came from. That the internal affairs of an independent state are decided by some European courts.
  • kiborg 18 February 2020 18: 16 New
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    So should or not? How fast they change their minds. Is it worth trusting such a court? Maybe just send? ..