VietDefense says PPSh is still in service with the Vietnamese army


In Vietnam, the rearmament of the army is gradually gaining momentum and fleet. However, the troops had not been modernized for many decades, having missed several generations of technical “upgrade”. In this regard, the armed forces of this Asian country often flash obvious rarities. However, the "find" discovered by the press raises certain doubts.


According to the publication VietDefense, PPSh-41 continues its service. These submachine guns have a long history in the People’s Army of Vietnam, first showing itself during the war against France, which erupted during the liberation of the peoples of Indochina from colonialism. Then the Viet Cong fighters were fighting in their hands against the American interventionists.

PPSh-41 became very widespread in the army. The arsenal of submachine guns was also replenished due to the Chinese copy of this product of the Soviet military industry, which received the designation Type 54, together with the local version of the K-54M.

The creation of George Shpagin was adopted by the Red Army on December 21, 1940. At the end of the war, the PPSh was gradually replaced by a Kalashnikov assault rifle.

One could agree with this publication and assume that the PPSh are still in service, for example, with the national defense forces. However, they use much more “fresh” equipment in the training process: American automatic rifles from the times of the invasion of Vietnam are often found.

Probably, regular army soldiers fell into the lens of the photographer during the celebrations dedicated to a certain holiday. And PCA in their hands symbolized historical memory.


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  1. Starover_Z 18 February 2020 11: 57 New
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    And if there is still ammunition for them, then why should they be written off? Recently, Kalashnikov-Media showed an attempt to continuously shoot PPSh lime. Did not work out !!! Reliable machine turned out to be! So let him serve, how many rounds are enough, at least at the police or other law enforcement agencies!
    1. Vasyan1971 18 February 2020 12: 00 New
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      Quote: Starover_Z
      So let it serve, how many rounds are enough

      Let be. But this does not inspire optimism:
      The arsenal of submachine guns was also replenished due to the Chinese copy of this product of the Soviet military industry, which received the designation Type 54,

      If Kalashi from chewed foil manage to rivet, then it is scary to imagine what they are doing with PCA.
    2. Mwg
      Mwg 18 February 2020 16: 04 New
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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=3scecJHjInA&feature=emb_logo
  2. Labrador 18 February 2020 11: 57 New
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    In the thick green, he will not lose relevance for a very long time.
  3. Lantau 18 February 2020 11: 58 New
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    The car is good! Heavy and lethal. Very stable when shooting.
  4. Marconi41 18 February 2020 12: 00 New
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    Are some of the moving parts of the PCA still wooden?
    By the way, even Amer’s fighters in Iraq used this machine gun.
    1. Rzzz 18 February 2020 16: 03 New
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      And what kind of "some" moving parts are wooden ???
      1. Marconi41 18 February 2020 18: 20 New
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        Quote: rzzz
        And what kind of "some" moving parts are wooden ???

        The bed is wooden, maybe not so put it.
        1. Rzzz 18 February 2020 19: 01 New
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          Ah, well, yes. The stock is also a moving part of the weapon, at the moment when it comes into contact with the head of the enemy in hand-to-hand combat.
          wassat wassat wassat
  5. paul3390 18 February 2020 12: 00 New
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    And what - PPSh in the jungle is not the worst option. The distances of fire are small, no more than 100 m. But there are a lot of rounds, no return, all the next bushes can be machine-gunned .. Again - there’s nothing to break.
    1. YOUR 18 February 2020 13: 17 New
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      If you take into account that in the jungle in the local climate you don’t especially run into the bronics. If the old M16s are used, then the PPSh is not the worst option, especially since the Kalashi have been in the arsenal for a long time and that it was insulting to replace them with the Jewish Galil ACE. PPSh and other exotic is in the people's militia.
      I wonder where the militia weapons are stored? About the affairs of bygone days. In the GDR there was also a people's militia, it may have been called differently. Formed on a local basis. In factories, factories .... etc., the weapons were stored in arms at the place of work, and not in some warehouses that still need to be reached, which in a surprise attack, you understand it was problematic.
    2. orionvitt 18 February 2020 13: 55 New
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      In almost all armies of the world, submachine guns are in service. Compared to other models, the PCA is still not very bad, although it’s morally old. But, as practice has shown, the new does not mean the best. In the end, our PPSh won the war.
  6. vanavatny 18 February 2020 12: 05 New
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    Dad ... many, in Soviet childhood, had the honor of standing with him at the Eternal Flame of his city, he was heavy and beautiful, I remember the date was knocked out: 1943
  7. rotmistr60 18 February 2020 12: 06 New
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    soldiers of the regular army got into the lens of the photographer during celebrations dedicated to a certain holiday
    Which is most likely. I remembered. In 1972, the so-called. "partisans." The men are about 40-50 years old, and that was characteristically armed with PPSh. We (cadets) were very surprised, but with interest quickly mastered the disassembly-assembly of this submachine gun. Now of course this rarity can be found only in long-term storage warehouses and in museums.
  8. Dzafdet 18 February 2020 12: 08 New
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    Hope to upgrade it and equip miles .., sorry, the police. Cheap and angry ...
    1. Marconi41 18 February 2020 12: 16 New
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      Quote: Dzafdet
      Hope to upgrade it and equip miles .., sorry, the police. Cheap and angry ...

      He is heavy for the police, and he still has the accuracy that the PCA takes with a rate of fire.
      1. Dzafdet 18 February 2020 12: 17 New
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        so I write: to upgrade, that is, to introduce a polymer butt, a pistol grip, rework the trigger mechanism, put a new muzzle brake ..
        1. Marconi41 18 February 2020 12: 18 New
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          Quote: Dzafdet
          so I write: to upgrade, that is, to introduce a polymer butt, a pistol grip, rework the trigger mechanism, put a new muzzle brake ..

          If all this is done, then we get the same Scorpio.
          1. Dzafdet 18 February 2020 12: 19 New
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            Then it’s better to produce Chestnut. It is quite normal PP ...
          2. Strashila 18 February 2020 12: 30 New
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            No need to scoff at a masterpiece, it is simpler, PPP in your hands.
        2. Piramidon 18 February 2020 12: 27 New
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          Quote: Dzafdet
          so I write: to upgrade, that is, to introduce a polymer butt, a pistol grip, rework the trigger mechanism, put a new muzzle brake ..

          It's easier to make a new one.
      2. polar fox 18 February 2020 12: 24 New
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        Quote: Marconi41
        and his accuracy is still

        for accuracy he will give AKSU 74 odds ...
        1. Marconi41 18 February 2020 12: 27 New
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          Quote: polar fox
          Quote: Marconi41
          and his accuracy is still

          for accuracy he will give AKSU 74 odds ...

          I don’t know, I didn’t come across AKSU, but I could shoot from the PPSh. The first bullet (100m) can and hits the target, everything else is anywhere.
      3. Lamata 18 February 2020 12: 25 New
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        But then mows like a mower !!!!
        1. Marconi41 18 February 2020 12: 29 New
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          Quote: Lamata
          But then mows like a mower !!!!

          This takes it!
          1. Lamata 18 February 2020 14: 09 New
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            In close combat, this is necessary, and in the jungle only close combat. Although I doubt that they are in service, rather a parade.
      4. Dimon19661 19 February 2020 06: 59 New
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        Look at the PPSh shooting tests, there are also about accuracy. Don’t write anymore what you don’t know.
    2. Constanty 18 February 2020 13: 53 New
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      In Poland, PPS-43 was retained not so long ago in the police reserve. I last saw them about six years ago. In the Polish version with a wooden flask 43/52. A very good weapon, however, now it has probably become a victim of Polish politics :-(. PCA is a heavy, but still effective weapon in Vietnam - a very good approach.
  9. rocket757 18 February 2020 12: 12 New
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    Probably, regular army soldiers fell into the lens of the photographer during the celebrations dedicated to a certain holiday. And PCA in their hands symbolized historical memory.

    Journalists will squeeze a sensation out of anything without stopping at anything.
    1. Lamata 18 February 2020 12: 25 New
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      If t 34 passes, it will be concluded that the army is armed with t 34
      1. rocket757 18 February 2020 12: 44 New
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        There will be a sensation when we have the whole T 34 battalion in the parade!
        Although, announced already. Anyway, they can inflate above the roof if they give the go-ahead.
        1. Lamata 18 February 2020 17: 55 New
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          And figure it out if MC 1 takes place at the parade, what conclusion will be made by the journalists even scary to think.
          1. rocket757 18 February 2020 18: 35 New
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            He still needs to be found so that it moves ...
            Then, this is not ours, but it’s not easy to advertise our invention.
            1. Lamata 18 February 2020 19: 28 New
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              ms 1, copied from the French FT 17, and find, yes make a copy on the electric motor.
              1. rocket757 18 February 2020 19: 36 New
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                Understood, we are talking about different tanks, the T 18, aka MS 1, a small escort, the first Soviet, copied from Renault.
                1. Lamata 18 February 2020 21: 23 New
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                  So Renault is the FT 17
  10. Strashila 18 February 2020 12: 28 New
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    Technology proven by wars around the world. For close combat, it is better and not necessary. The Vietnamese and TT are in service today.
  11. Piramidon 18 February 2020 12: 35 New
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    And we have T-34s in service. good laughing
    1. izGOI 19 February 2020 00: 36 New
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      And in 2014, the IS-3 Natsik in Slavyansk beat!
  12. thinker 18 February 2020 12: 38 New
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    As usual, we don’t give links; I didn’t find such an article on vietnamdefence. And on other Vietnamese sites specifically write
    However, it can be argued that the current machine PPSh-41 of Vietnam is used only for demonstration, reconstruction or testing.

    1. Lamata 18 February 2020 17: 57 New
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      And put on top, these are sweatshirts or such armor plates
      1. Alf
        Alf 18 February 2020 20: 22 New
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        Quote: Lamata
        And put on top, these are sweatshirts or such armor plates

        These are fabric bulletproof vests. laughing
    2. Freeman 19 February 2020 02: 10 New
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      Quote: thinker
      As usual, we don’t give links; I didn’t find such an article on vietnamdefence. And on other Vietnamese sites specifically write
      However, it can be argued that the current machine PPSh-41 of Vietnam is used only for demonstration, reconstruction or testing.



      Absolutely.
      In the photo, one of the 2014 parades in honor of the 60th anniversary of the battle of Dien Bien Fu.
      A unit of Vietnamese soldiers marching in uniform and with weapons of those years.

      Here is a photo of preparations for such a parade in one of the units with PPS-43, which were also used in those battles.

  13. toha124 18 February 2020 13: 02 New
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    Well, in fact, weapons and equipment may well continue to be in service, already in fact being absent from the line units, but present at the storage bases / warehouses and in the remote garrison of bear corners. A historical example - the T-34 and the IP range were officially withdrawn from service in our country only in the early 90s. This is more likely to bureaucracy than frugality, but nonetheless.
  14. rudolff 18 February 2020 13: 20 New
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    If I’m not mistaken, the PCA was in service with Tsarandoy in Afghanistan.
  15. Ros 56 18 February 2020 13: 24 New
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    And why not, cheaply and angrily, there is a butt, so that on the head to give the adversary and a high rate of fire, the very thing in the jungle.
  16. Paul Siebert 18 February 2020 13: 27 New
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    In our NVP lessons at school, there were PPSh with reamed chamber.
    The machine is disassembled in three movements - it's easier than AK!
    But the thing is hard! Especially with an equipped store ...
    I look at the Vietnamese with "daddies" - our class is great reminiscent of boys, boys ...
    But these guys piled on the strongest army in the world, including those with PCA in their hands! winked
    1. Lamata 18 February 2020 19: 30 New
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      I was a bit lighter with the sector store, but anyway, in the melee in the trench you will hit the butt, there will be a kayuk.
  17. Kerensky 18 February 2020 13: 36 New
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    One trouble - they always tried to use it as a stool. And yes, it’s the most to climb their bushes.
    1. Alf
      Alf 18 February 2020 20: 24 New
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      Quote: Kerensky
      One trouble - they always tried to use it as a stool.

      Who said that ? Have you ever tried the diameter of a disk and compare yours, sorry? One creature said and went for a walk a fairy tale on the net ...
      1. Kerensky 18 February 2020 20: 29 New
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        Have you ever tried the diameter of a disk and compare yours, sorry?

        Yeah. Only then I weighed 60 kg in the outfit. Conveniently enough when you wait a long time, and on top of the rain ....
        1. Alf
          Alf 18 February 2020 20: 31 New
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          Quote: Kerensky
          Have you ever tried the diameter of a disk and compare yours, sorry?

          Yeah. Only then I weighed 60 kg in the outfit. Conveniently enough when you wait a long time, and on top of the rain ....

          Something tells me that not a single soldier who uses his weapon as a means of survival in a war will mock him like that.
          1. Kerensky 18 February 2020 21: 14 New
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            Something tells me that not a single soldier who uses his weapon as a means of survival in a war will mock him like that.

            It was possible to strengthen the site directly in the army workshops. They made the adapt for interrupting the wire with a shot ... The main advantage of PPSh is the manufacturability of production. 7 machine hours !!! Virtually all threaded connections removed ...
            1. Alf
              Alf 18 February 2020 21: 17 New
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              Quote: Kerensky
              Something tells me that not a single soldier who uses his weapon as a means of survival in a war will mock him like that.

              It was possible to strengthen the site directly in the army workshops. They made the adapt for interrupting the wire with a shot ... The main advantage of PPSh is the manufacturability of production. 7 machine hours !!! Virtually all threaded connections removed ...

              Maybe I personally would not begin to experiment with the thing on which my life depends.
              1. Kerensky 18 February 2020 21: 24 New
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                I personally would not SO experiment with the thing on which my life depends ..

                Yes, the enemy can not be seen for weeks, and you can take a nap while sitting. The Finns also sat on their Suomi.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 18 February 2020 21: 31 New
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                  Quote: Kerensky
                  Yes, the enemy can not be seen for weeks, and you can take a nap while sitting.

                  And then marvel at the misfires.
                  Quote: Kerensky
                  The Finns also sat on their Suomi.

                  Alternatively, the gifted ones do not bother me.
  18. Protos 18 February 2020 15: 04 New
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    That Che PPSh-41, there at 2.37 in general Browning M1918 (which is the BAR) with its own magazine for 20 rounds! laughing
  19. Protos 18 February 2020 15: 06 New
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    And we have T-34s in service. good laughing

    T34 \ 85 more precisely yes
  20. georggy 18 February 2020 16: 02 New
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    Yes, even Kara-cartoons. The main skill in using them.
    1. Lamata 18 February 2020 19: 34 New
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      in 1997, they were at a camp at one of the golden eagles, southern Kazakhstan, so he had a cartoon with a forged barrel !!! charged from the barrel, it was very similar to a musket, a caliber of somewhere 12 mm. whose production was not apt, but according to him his great-grandfather still owned it, said the wolf beats up to 500 meters.
      1. Alf
        Alf 18 February 2020 20: 25 New
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        Quote: Lamata
        beats the wolf up to 500 meters.

        Butt? The length is just enough. laughing
        But BAR is really cool! There is such a cartridge that when shooting point-blank in the jungle, and there isn’t another one there, the two will get through at once.
        1. Lamata 18 February 2020 22: 38 New
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          He said, not me, it’s even scary to shoot from such a thing.
          1. Alf
            Alf 18 February 2020 22: 41 New
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            Quote: Lamata
            He said, not me, it’s even scary to shoot from such a thing.

            The wolf, too, was dying of fear, seeing from WHAT they were aiming at him. laughing
  21. Sergey Yakovlev 18 February 2020 20: 25 New
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    Still, it is heavy for the Vietnamese, it is painfully small and thin, especially with a round shop.