Coronavirus tests power system and social system in China


The world, greatly frightened by the epidemic of coronavirus in China, is gradually moving away from the blow and begins to analyze how the Celestial authorities cope with the problem that has come over the country.


Civil liability in Chinese society


This is an extremely difficult matter. Hubei Province, where the new infection came from, is inhabited by more than 58 million people. Close to what are, for example, such large European countries as Italy (60 million), Great Britain (62 million) or France (65 million).

It turns out that the whole country immediately went into quarantine with the evacuation of millions of people, with restrictions on entry and exit, on movement in urban areas and many other bans that the local population implicitly obeyed.

In this connection, I recall a recent incident in St. Petersburg where a young lady who flew from China escaped from a hospital where she was quarantined with suspected coronavirus. The frivolous lady broke into the electronic lock of the quarantine box and disappeared.

Very soon, she began giving interviews to local media outlets, telling them about her civil rights and the lawyers supporting her. The lady was returned to the hospital through the court and was even punished with a fine of 500 rubles for not complying with the lawful order of the body exercising state supervision (part 1 of article 19.5 of the Code of Administrative Offenses). Around this stories a lively discussion has now unfolded on the networks.

In China, such an irresponsible act is impossible by definition. A system of social trust has been operating here for a long time, based on the “black” and “red” lists. The “red” list includes people for good behavior.

For example, for donating blood at donor points, people will not only be included in the privileged list, but they will also be given a special card with a 50% discount on travel in public transport. Such incentives can be obtained for the help of the police, other manifestations of civic responsibility and honesty.

It is easy to get into the “black list” for an offense similar to the “arbitrariness” of our Petersburger, which, as a result, the court sent for forced hospitalization. The list of black sins is long. Here is a violation of traffic rules and baggage rules in public transport, failure to comply with court decisions and disobedience to the requirements of the authorities, failure to repay loans on time and behavior on Internet networks ...

Those who are on the "black list" lose their jobs in state institutions. They are forbidden to occupy managerial positions, they are denied air tickets and sleeping places for night trains, places in luxury hotels and restaurants.

For people who do not comply with public decency and rules, a substantial list of restrictions has been established. Moreover, once in the "black list", getting out of it is not at all easy. Western truth-seekers have dubbed the Chinese system a "digital concentration camp." However, now, looking at the discipline prevailing in quarantine Wuhan, languages ​​bit by bit. Because the actions of the Chinese authorities protect the critics of China themselves from the dangerous infection.

What Western experts have to admit


The power system in China is generally similar to other countries. Throughout its vertical, it combines the legislative (assembly of people's representatives) and the executive (government at all levels) branches of government.

However, there are two significant differences, for example, from Western democracies. Firstly, it is a strict vertical subordination from the bottom up. Secondly, the presence of committees of the Communist Party of China, acting both as an arbiter of power and independently making decisions important to society.

There was such an episode in the story of coronavirus. President Xi Jinping convenes a Standing Committee of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party. The meeting discussed the issues of prevention and control of the epidemic and decided to send an additional 2600 health workers to Wuhan to fight against coronavirus.

The order went to the grassroots party committees. People were picked up there, instructed. One of the nurses then shared on the television plot her impressions of the meeting in the party committee. The functionaries of the Communist Party called on doctors to sacrifice themselves in the name of the country and society in this difficult time for China.

The sister confirmed to the correspondent her willingness to work in Wuhan, regardless of the threat to her own life, and even her willingness to sacrifice her life, if circumstances arise. Her mood can not be explained by any lists of civil liability. Most likely, this is the result of public education, known to us since Soviet times.

It is supported by a high level of exactingness to officials and party functionaries in power. For them, there is a system of prohibitions fixed in party and government decrees. Civil servants are forbidden many things. It even comes to such trifles as smoking in public places. For this violation in China, an official can easily lose his job.

Western observers ironically look at these rules of Chinese life. They say about human rights and other values. However, now they almost unanimously admit: the current system of power in China has helped to combat the acute and dangerous epidemic, which literally tests the entire power system of the PRC. In the absence of social discipline, a clear social system, its consequences could be more tragic.
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  1. Svarog 18 February 2020 09: 22 New
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    The Chinese are well done, very organized .. you can’t tell about us .. Recently, a woman from quarantine ran away from us, so they would not have remembered her if it hadn't been for the noise in social networks .. well, when they remembered they judged exponentially ..
    1. Nasrat 18 February 2020 09: 32 New
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      The funny thing is that in December everyone knew that there was an outbreak of infection in Wuhan .... even taxi drivers refused to carry to the ill-fated market .. The Chinese authorities ignored this situation, in the best traditions of the communist past of the USSR ... But when everything got out of control .. turned to WHO .. WHO made recommendations ... Bearing in mind that for past epidemics (pandemics) they had already flown from WHO for concealing information ...
      And as always, party members gathered non-partisans and urged them to sacrifice themselves in the name of the country !!!! Well done !!!!

      But our aunt that ran away - acted not stereotyped like a robot, but spontaneously, on emotions - very characterizes our people as a whole ..
      1. Uncle lee 18 February 2020 09: 43 New
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        high level of exactingness to officials

        Civil servants are forbidden a lot
        Maybe you should take an example!
        1. Nasrat 18 February 2020 09: 49 New
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          Take it! And why only to officials claim? I regularly encounter swagger and licentiousness .... let's say, on the same roads of our country - not all the officials ... or when they call on the lawn / sidewalk near apartment buildings .. Yes, it is commonplace - they write, draw, burn, glue in elevators announcements, piss - obviously not only officials ...
      2. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 09: 51 New
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        Quote: Nasr
        But when everything got out of control ... turned to WHO .. WHO made recommendations.

        Gave a recommendation? And everything went like clockwork. The Chinese themselves teach whom you want, and if the Chinese were silent, this does not mean that they were idle. If they can stop the virus where, then it is in China. Human material is not the same as in Western countries.
        1. Nasrat 18 February 2020 09: 59 New
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          Quote: tihonmarine
          If they can stop the virus where, then it is in China. .


          You probably wanted to say that if a virus and a pandemic break out somewhere, then this is China .. Avian influenza, swine flu, H1N1 and so on ...
          1. certero 18 February 2020 12: 54 New
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            Swine flu didn’t flare up in China
      3. Nikolay Ivanov_5 24 February 2020 23: 21 New
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        It is time to recognize that the licentiousness of some individuals leads to the spread of especially dangerous diseases that can lead to death. If a person intends to expose himself and others to the danger of infection (does not use personal protective equipment in the territory of the identified epidemic, does not go to medical centers for symptoms of illness or escapes from quarantine), the best decision would be to equate bioterrorists and, if necessary, even eliminate .
    2. rocket757 18 February 2020 09: 34 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      Well done Chinese, very organized ..

      Well done Chinese, when they realized what danger had arisen, they took correct and effective measures.
      1. Nasrat 18 February 2020 09: 39 New
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        Quote: rocket757
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        Well done Chinese, when they realized what danger arose ...,.


        For a long time they realized ... all of December and half of January ...
        1. rocket757 18 February 2020 09: 44 New
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          From the side to judge ... you can. And who would be better and more efficient, this is a question.
          1. Nasrat 18 February 2020 09: 53 New
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            If this were an isolated case, then one could reason like that, but this happens regularly !!! Remind about bird flu, swine, pandemic, etc. Every time, WHO "wrote out" to the Chinese authorities for negligent attitude in this matter ...
            1. rocket757 18 February 2020 10: 25 New
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              Do you think that it is possible at once, according to someone’s instruction there, to wean a huge people not to eat everything that moves, half-dead ... a habit, centuries-old traditions ???
              Shaw for nonsense? such a level of control can only be carried out in the morgue, and even then, the dead sometimes disappear into the unknown!
              In the north, the whole bear is infected, the game has become dangerous for eating, the omul fish is infected ... and sho, have stopped eating ??? This luck is simply that the disease is almost individual, but unfortunately, it is transmitted to the fetus ... I have before my eyes a clear example of parental STupidity!
              Everything is not easy with China and will remain so for a very long time.
              1. Nasrat 18 February 2020 10: 42 New
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                The Chinese ate all living creatures from time immemorial ... and grief did not know ... Hush up was not there, it was necessary to act immediately, given the certain negative experience of the past decade ... what was not done. Once again, the Chinese authorities ignored the situation. And they announced a pandemic only when it was a seam .. Do you feel the difference? Once again negligence ... And there are people praising us for this !!!
                Well, they let the idiots splurge, about the hospital from the wagons, in 10 days - that’s how we fight !!!
                1. rocket757 18 February 2020 11: 02 New
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                  Quote: Nasr
                  The Chinese have eaten all living creatures from time immemorial ... and grief did not know ...

                  Do you think that grief did not know ???
                  Yes, they died out faster than the disease could spread to vast territories, whole villages and more!
                  The rapid spread of disease over a vast territory is already a "civilization achievement" ... the speed of movement of the virus carrier is ahead of all measures for its localization!
                  Yes, read at least something on THIS TOPIC. Not yellow, "progressive" literature, but real documents, descriptions of what and how was there, and a lot where before.
                  1. Nasrat 18 February 2020 13: 35 New
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                    Quote: rocket757
                    Quote: Nasr
                    The Chinese have eaten all living creatures from time immemorial ... and grief did not know ...

                    Do you think that grief did not know ???
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                    Even now they don’t know grief .... and they won’t know at the next epidemic ... the population is large, and the percentage of patients is negligible, in percentage terms ...
                    1. rocket757 18 February 2020 14: 01 New
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                      I doubt that now they are experiencing a lot of joy. There most likely fear prevails among many.
                      On the other hand, I doubt that this will fundamentally change their eating habits and attitude to "traditional medicine" !!!
                      Those. this is not the end and the like may appear more and more.
                      We will be optimistic and hope that the Chinese authorities will remember at least this lesson.
                      People, of course, they will not change, but they must learn to respond more quickly.
                      An economy, an economy, but everything can collapse overnight if this business is left to chance.
                      1. Nasrat 18 February 2020 14: 07 New
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                        Quote: rocket757
                        .... but they must learn to respond more quickly.
                        .

                        So you agree with me ... More quickly, it is put it mildly !!! For a month, the government sat without moving !!! Then she realized ...
                        Below I printed about Egypt and its actions ... this is efficiency, in comparison with the Chinese authorities ...
                      2. rocket757 18 February 2020 14: 16 New
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                        I also do not want to live in FEAR that some kind of infection from behind the hillock will fly in and cover us with a copper basin.
                        One Iranian pigeon was enough for me and I was left without a chick !!! It doesn’t even touch that the cats caught this and their infection ... it didn’t save the chickens.
                        China, we couldn’t swing right away ... the small-town effect may affect it, but when it came to the upper ones, everything turned out right.
                        I’m not sure that somewhere else it would be different, in a very small, well-controlled enclave ... everything is big, and especially huge, very inert.
                        Well, now guess.
                        Indo-China, Africa are basically the most loosely controlled regions and can bring quite a few unpleasant "surprises" to our heads.
                      3. Nasrat 18 February 2020 14: 24 New
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                        Quote: rocket757

                        China, we couldn’t swing right away ... the small-town effect may affect it, but when it came to the upper ones, everything turned out right.

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                        Now, if it were so written - I did not cause any complaints ... it is objective.
                        But what does it mean “didn’t immediately swing” at the time of the birth of the epidemic? You understand ... they waited and the whole world began to shy away from the Chinese ...

                        And this line from the article would be superfluous and shameful in essence ...:

                        “The sister confirmed to the correspondent her willingness to work in Wuhan, regardless of the threat to her own life, and even her willingness to sacrifice her life, if circumstances so arise. Her mood cannot be explained by any lists of civil liability ..”

                        Do not you think that this Sister wants to pay her life for someone's mistake?
                      4. rocket757 18 February 2020 14: 35 New
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                        I already wrote, not to you, that the small-town effect could slip through.
                        Small, but large at the local level, officials EVERYWHERE are SAME.
                        They also want that in their places everything would be as it should, well, ANY WAY! they want to move up the career ladder.
                        This is already the topmost place to move and they know how, are not afraid, to respond to all threats according to the situation!
                        Officials are the same everywhere, if you carefully rummage over various incidents around the world.
                        But such a mobilization of all the state’s resources, when necessary, can be implemented not everywhere, but for objective / subjective reasons! China must cope, I believe in it.
                      5. Nasrat 18 February 2020 14: 43 New
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                        ... China must cope, I believe in it.

                        And I didn’t doubt for a day that I would manage ... They already started quietly going to work .. factories are still standing, but the office plankton is already in the workplace .... notably - as you said, “the officials are the same everywhere” - and so and people are the same everywhere - plankton reduced his hours of work, simply faded from work 2 hours ahead of time .... (talked to them today, bang and not in place - they faded ..)laughing
                      6. rocket757 18 February 2020 14: 48 New
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                        If the situation allows, control, the boss is absent ... this can happen a lot where. You will not meet this in production, but in large production there is "plankton" .... where would it be without it.
                        PS ... by the way, in the world in general there are a lot of all the same!
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        DRM 18 February 2020 15: 47 New
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        Quote: Nasr
        The Chinese ate all living creatures from time immemorial ... and grief did not know ... Hush up was not there, it was necessary to act immediately, given the certain negative experience of the past decade ... what was not done. Once again, the Chinese authorities ignored the situation. And they announced a pandemic only when it was a seam .. Do you feel the difference? Once again negligence ... And there are people praising us for this !!!
        Well, they let the idiots splurge, about the hospital from the wagons, in 10 days - that’s how we fight !!!

        Let me remind you how it was: a Chinese doctor, Li Wenliang, wrote to his former classmates from a medical school on December 30, 2019 that 7 patients who visited the local fish market were delivered to his hospital with signs of a disease similar to SARS, which led to to the epidemic in 2002-2003. He advised to wear a special protective suit. Soon Police officers came to Wenlian and accused him of spreading rumors and breaking the rule of law. The doctor was threatened with detention. The doctor admitted that he allegedly violated the law and refused further "illegal actions". He returned to work and treated a person with an undiagnosed coronavirus, and on January 10 he developed a cough, then a fever. He later died.
  • tihonmarine 18 February 2020 10: 22 New
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    For a long time they realized ... all of December and half of January.

    And many still have not realized this. Only in Russia they understood this.
    1. rocket757 18 February 2020 11: 10 New
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      And many still have not realized this. Only in Russia they understood this.

      The one to whom it was supposed was realized ... they just don’t say, they don’t sound sober about not to disturb the average man !!! Only the Internet and some media are inflating the problem, beyond all meaning.
      Now calm, only calm and clear, high-quality work of all relevant structures, organizations can save us from big trouble!
      By the way, noticeable efforts on the part of the "enlightened world" are not very noticeable ... though, maybe they are quietly operating.
      It’s easy to cook up any prescriptions, but for everyone to fight the scourge together, this is not what everyone wants!
      Everything is so blessed with us, on the objective side, too ??? reasons. "effective managers" destroy EVERYTHING, to which they could reach their clumsy heaps! The system of protecting the population from biohazard is also plaguing!
      1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 12: 30 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        The system of protecting the population from biological hazards is also plagued by the utmost!

        Let us recall with kind words the old system of "Civil Defense" under the USSR.
        1. rocket757 18 February 2020 12: 49 New
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          And what to remember, restore in the necessary volumes, it is NECESSARY!
          If at serious enterprises, it is more or less preserved, even re-equipped (as we have, for example, right now), I would like to see similar actions in other places where you can still save and restore something!
          There will be no excess.
          1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 12: 59 New
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            If in serious enterprises, everything is more, less preserved, even re-equipped

            This must be done in residential complexes.
            1. rocket757 18 February 2020 13: 19 New
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              Then there was a system of organized evacuation of the population from points A to point B ... I know for sure that each foreman in the convoy had an evacuation plan for the members of his team of bus drivers. Everything is clear.
              The exercises, albeit abridged, were carried out.
  • swzero 18 February 2020 11: 44 New
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    The lack of widespread media coverage does not mean inaction. For example, in the same Chernobyl. Hush up, but acted.
    1. rocket757 18 February 2020 12: 51 New
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      Quote: swzero
      Hush up, but acted.

      It was, it was. We must admit this and not repeat past mistakes.
    2. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 13: 03 New
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      For example, in the same Chernobyl. Hush up, but acted.

      I remember the old dictum "The main task of the church is to conceal otherworldly phenomena from the people, and not in prayers. The main task of the police is to hide atrocious crimes from the people, not to catch pocket thieves."
  • mavrus 18 February 2020 13: 34 New
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    We found something to surprise the Chinese: "The party said it was necessary, the nurse said it is."
    Chinese doctors put on protective suits, masks, splattered themselves with some antiviral rubbish and boldly went to treat patients.
    Toli is the matter with us: "The authorities said - to condemn ... judges, prosecutors, escorts, magazines and just idle rotozei, together answered -" yes !!! "... and boldly crammed into the same room with the" suspect ", without any there are masks and any other protection ...
    As ordered, the “suspect” was convicted, according to the letter of the law, and put into quarantine because she could communicate with probable carriers of the infection.
    As ordered, they carried out and dispersed together throughout the city, delivering the coronovirus.
    The question is, how do the judges and all other participants in the court session differ from the “convicted person”. But nothing. If the convict has a virus, then we can assume ... that they all caught it too and now quietly infect everyone further ...
    And looking at who should be surprised after all this?
  • AK1972 18 February 2020 13: 44 New
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    Recently, a woman from quarantine ran away from us, so they would not have remembered about her if it hadn't been for the noise in social networks .. well, when they remembered, they judged indicatively..

    Sentenced to 500 rubles and sent to quarantine as a possible carrier of the virus. Have you seen the trial of this court? Not a single masked character, including employees of the Federal Service for Supervision of Consumer Rights Protection and Human Welfare in pajmaks with epaulettes, no disinfection. I do not justify this fugitive, however, if it is potentially dangerous, then all those present at the court had to be isolated in the premises of the same court for 14 days, because they are also potentially infected. It turned out some kind of a bad performance with an indicative flogging in the finale.
  • Vladimir_2U 18 February 2020 09: 24 New
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    However, now they almost unanimously admit: the current system of power in China has helped to combat the acute and dangerous epidemic, which literally tests the entire power system of China

    But less than a hundred years ago in China it would have been impossible and everything would have spread throughout the country, so the point is the CCP.
  • Tank jacket 18 February 2020 09: 24 New
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    “However, now they almost unanimously admit: the current system of power in China has helped to combat an acute and dangerous epidemic that literally tests the entire power system of the PRC. "
    --------
    And why the author did not add at the end, “give a social rating in each state !!!” ???
    This helps fight the coronovirus ... And not only that. wink
  • Mathafaka 18 February 2020 09: 24 New
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    Thanks to the Chinese system, the virus has gained such proportions. First they shut up the doctor who first announced the new infection, was summoned to the police station and shut up, and then got their virus. Which could no longer be hidden. And local authorities, in view of the wonderful Chinese vertical, did not have the authority to stop the threat in a timely manner.
    A vaunted hospital in 10 days, flows like a sieve.
    1. rocket757 18 February 2020 09: 37 New
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      The small-town manifestation of incompetence and thoughtlessness of specific officials. This can happen EVERYWHERE !!!
    2. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 09: 55 New
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      First, they shut up the doctor who was the first to report a new infection, was summoned to the police station.

      We wouldn’t have been called to the cops, but they kicked us in the ass. In the West, they would not even pay attention. As elsewhere, "Smoke is coming, and God be with him, the main thing is fire is not visible."
      1. Nasrat 18 February 2020 10: 12 New
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        However, we do not have a pandemic, but in China there is !!! What do you say to that? How can you turn around and praise China?
        1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 10: 23 New
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          However, we do not have a pandemic, but in China there is !!! What do you say to that? How can you turn around and praise China?

          Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.
          1. Nasrat 18 February 2020 10: 26 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Nasr
            However, we do not have a pandemic, but in China there is !!! What do you say to that? How can you turn around and praise China?

            Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.

            This is regularly the fifth pandemic in China ... when is the fall?

            On the territory of our country there is not one sick now - you certainly will not praise our epidemic services, continue to praise China !!! Well this is what you need to be .... a patriot ... of China !!!! Well, how do you hate Russia, and all because it obscures the communist intoxication !!!
            1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 11: 07 New
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              Quote: Nasr
              This is what you need to be .... a patriot ... of China !!!! Well, how do you hate Russia, and all because it obscures the communist intoxication !!!

              Everything is said here about the virus, and you Long live Russia, death to traitors. Slogans are good at rallies.
              1. Nasrat 18 February 2020 13: 10 New
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                Quote: tihonmarine

                It all talks about the virus ....
                If you haven’t noticed - the heading to the article - coronavirus tests power system and social system in China... And then there were heralds praising the Chinese authorities and the communist system .... is it strange to praise if, once again, everything got out of control? Think about it!
                And if you think that China is effectively coping with the virus, then how do you assess non-communist Egypt?

                Egypt has taken harsh measures against tourists from China as a potential danger that could harm tourism in its country. Egyptian authorities cleared the resorts of their country in the last days of January, when it only became known that coronavirus infected could appear in the country due to Chinese tourists.
                Not only the places where Chinese tourists were located, but also the addresses where the Chinese doing business in Egypt were located were instantly calculated.

                Vans arrived at these addresses in which the Chinese were forcibly loaded and taken to an unknown destination. Then it turned out that the Chinese were taken to temporary detention centers, and then deported by air to China. All work was done within 48 hours.
                Egypt decided not to tempt fate and in 48 hours it decided everything radically ... The Chinese authorities decided for more than a month !!! Although experience from past epidemics should have been ....
                1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 13: 15 New
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                  Quote: Nasr
                  All work was done within 48 hours.

                  Reasonable action.
                  1. Nasrat 18 February 2020 13: 22 New
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                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    Quote: Nasr
                    All work was done within 48 hours.

                    Reasonable action.

                    Well, now you also understand that the Chinese authorities have overslept again ... why praise them?
                    The fact that people obediently sit at home .... so people will sit at home if we say (God forbid !!) in a large city for a month people will get sick and die from an unknown disease, and the government will give up on it an event, and only after a month or more, the movement and ostentatious construction of a hospital will begin in ten days when a pandemic spread throughout the country .. So you imagine this development of events ... no matter how the howl rises in the networks
                    1. Tank jacket 18 February 2020 14: 58 New
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                      And for some reason, between times, the author of the article pushes through the introduction of social ratings. So that everything, like the Chinese robots live, step left to step right to the blacklist and neither you need a ticket nor a train.
            2. rocket757 18 February 2020 11: 23 New
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              On the territory of our country there is not a single sick now

              Holy naivety or something else?
              It was just lucky, but so far ... however, we HAD TIME at least somehow prepared, fenced off the epidemic ... but, if it surged to us right away, it would have been completely sour, because the SOVIET SYSTEM for prevention, control and control dangerous factors, modern managers destroyed in almost zero!
              I just remember what QUARANTINE, CHOLERA HAZARD is in the whole region!
              He lived at that time next to a boarding school, which was resettled in one day and given away to "plague huts" ... ha. Ha. a joke, we called them that, although it was a three-story capital building for 1500 people. approximately, behind a high, capital fence, with security on the perimeter.
              The system of population protection in the USSR was worked out and worked for hours and by no means Chinese!
              I always propose to listen to Zhvanetsky ... Let's argue about the taste of bananas with those who ate them!
              1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 12: 35 New
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                I just remember what QUARANTINE, CHOLERA HAZARD is in the whole region!

                At the moment, the cholera was crushed. That was organization and clarity of work. I was stuck at the Astrakhan state farm then.
                1. rocket757 18 February 2020 12: 59 New
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                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Quote: rocket757
                  I just remember what QUARANTINE, CHOLERA HAZARD is in the whole region!

                  At the moment, the cholera was crushed. That was organization and clarity of work. I was stuck at the Astrakhan state farm then.

                  In, in, we are 450 km higher. near Stalingrad ...
                  By the way, if the USSR had not preoccupied itself with prevention, the fight against all kinds of misfortunes in neighboring territories, in Central Asia, Mongolia, China, in Iran and Afghanistan, this infection would have nested for a long time on our southern borders !!!
                  The USSR acted clearly, harshly, professionally !!!
                  And who has blather, that is against ... well, he did not eat "bananas", did not eat, but we ate!
                  And now, for example, creeps from there, all sorts of different things! And if not for the remnants of the Soviet system of vaccination and prevention, we would have had many troubles yesterday and many, many times!
                  1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 13: 19 New
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                    The USSR acted clearly, harshly, professionally!

                    And how many plague and cholera stations were there in the steppes. I don’t know how many are left now.
                    1. rocket757 18 February 2020 13: 26 New
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                      Now the main carrier is completely different ... it used to be cattle, other animals, but now the carrier needs to be intercepted at stations, at customs and many more, but not in the steppe.
                      1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 13: 28 New
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                        Now the main carrier is completely different ... before it was cattle,

                        Rodents in the steppes have so far remained.
                      2. rocket757 18 February 2020 13: 46 New
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                        The local migration from the word does nothing or very slowly. Is that a bird of prey caught there, brought here ... this is a special case, rare. Saigas, Dzheyrana no longer hang around, here and there, camels all the more. Remains foxes and jackals, but this is also small in coverage of the territory.
                      3. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 13: 53 New
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                        Quote: rocket757
                        Remains foxes and jackals, but this is also small in coverage of the territory.

                        Beasts no jackals, hatched. The fox of marmots and mice will eat, they probably stayed.
                      4. rocket757 18 February 2020 14: 04 New
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                        The fox is somehow associated with rabies! It happened more than once.
                        We have a lot of foxes.
  • bessmertniy 18 February 2020 09: 28 New
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    Perhaps, such a quarantine as China organized according to the coronavirus at home, hardly others could have organized. When for distribution - right up to the estimated sentence - it is very serious. belay Today, the consequences are estimated to be dead from the disease, but when they manage it, probably, an assessment will be made of the economic damage from the disease. China’s GDP growth is likely to decline this year compared to last year. what
    1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 10: 19 New
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      Perhaps, such a quarantine as China organized according to the coronavirus at home, hardly others could have organized.

      Exactly ! No one could organize quarantine so quickly, and the Chinese authorities and people accepted the news without panic. And who would be able to build and deploy huge hospitals in a week, and the delivery of products throughout the province, equal to France.
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  • Far B 18 February 2020 09: 31 New
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    The order went to the grassroots party committees. People were picked up there, instructed.
    Plus discipline and responsibility. When a society acts in concert, complex problems are resolved quickly enough. Following a similar principle, ours during WWII organized a massive evacuation of enterprises to the Urals.
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      Quote: Far In
      The order went to the grassroots party committees. People were picked up there, instructed.
      Plus discipline and responsibility. When a society acts in concert, complex problems are resolved quickly enough. Following a similar principle, ours during WWII organized a massive evacuation of enterprises to the Urals.

      Such an organization is possible only under the ideology of socialism .. and now each in itself and cohesion and organization is difficult to achieve, especially when the state has disappeared ..
    2. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 11: 30 New
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      Quote: Far In
      Plus discipline and responsibility. When a society acts in concert, complex problems are resolved quickly enough.

      So I say that too. Discipline and responsibility. Why, when you say something, a scream rises. And why, in St. Petersburg, “Madame” escapes from quarantine, walks around the city, and only by a court was she forced to isolation, and then another one escapes. What are you doing in China with these you have probably already read. Lord minusers, you may be patriots, but patriotism has not yet cured a single person.
      1. Ka-52 18 February 2020 12: 18 New
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        and only by the court she was forced to isolation,

        for the fact that she could put (in the case of confirmation of infection) the risk to the life and health of other people, I would have thrown her counters, and not just arrested her. And then she and lawyers and interviews ... again, everything turned into a hype. Our society has rotted through
  • Aleks2048 18 February 2020 09: 31 New
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    I read the article ... In general, China looks very good ... In Russia, such things and ideas would be very difficult to implement. I think that we can consider something for application in the Russian Federation, but blindly copy will not work. In China, as I understand it, a lot rests on filtering information coming from outside the country and on promoting the values ​​that the government needs. Unlike China, we can’t filter out the information from outside, they are too closely linked with Europe, but you can take propaganda in the normal way. Just questions remain about what we want to promote at home? What will we develop, so to speak? Why don’t we touch and start seriously considering normal state policy, there isn’t, but not because the citizens of the Russian Federation themselves, in my opinion, cannot find a clear answer to the question what is good and what is bad?
  • knn54 18 February 2020 09: 43 New
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    The virus combines both bacteriological and ideological weapons.
    By the way, for the escape and subsequent actions, the “lady” in China could have been put up against the wall.
    1. tihonmarine 18 February 2020 12: 39 New
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      By the way, for the escape and subsequent actions, the “lady” in China could have been put up against the wall.

      China felt this infection, and took extraordinary measures. But with such a population, such measures are justified.
  • Pavel57 18 February 2020 10: 08 New
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    In a pandemic, all democracies will immediately forget about democracy.
  • polar fox 18 February 2020 10: 37 New
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    the author sang praises and sent a curse to the “runaway lady” -intended by the court !!! infected ... beautifully, the recent events are recalled, when in whole villages they "fought bird flu" ... private owners exclusively. while there was no "similar virus" on Tkachev's farms (then he became an agricultural minister). when the people "took up the pitchfork", the "guarantor" from the TV reported- "we do not have bird flu ..." and ... oh, wonderful, wonderful, he was gone !!
    in Samara Oblast a month ago, 11 + villages were also infected ... only with pigs. so, the prevention of swine plague ... by decision of the prosecutor's office. beauty, what to say ... we are waiting for someone else to appoint the courts as sick, maybe pence. then there are many of them, and the "state" does not need them.
  • Lamata 18 February 2020 10: 51 New
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    Maybe the Chinese were silent, but right now they are fighting very tightly, mobilizing everything that is possible. And our lady, a sucker, and even the PR started, and the lawyers got involved) if the lawyer himself, but not the lawyer).
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      and the lady, the trap, and even the PR started, and the lawyers got into it, if the lawyer himself, but not the lawyer).

      It was promoted, and already one more such a sucker appeared. It is necessary to prisect, but not PR.
  • mavrus 18 February 2020 11: 09 New
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    The funny thing is that in December everyone knew that there was an outbreak of infection in Wuhan .... even taxi drivers refused to carry to the ill-fated market .. The Chinese authorities ignored this situation, in the best traditions of the communist past of the USSR ... But when everything got out of control .. turned to WHO .. WHO made recommendations ... Bearing in mind that for past epidemics (pandemics) they had already flown from WHO for concealing information ...
    And as always, party members gathered non-partisans and urged them to sacrifice themselves in the name of the country !!!! Well done !!!!

    But our aunt that ran away - acted not stereotyped like a robot, but spontaneously, on emotions - very characterizes our people as a whole ..

    That our “aunt” is a fool is half the trouble, the trouble is that all the people involved were idiots: judges, a convoy, spectators in court, and everyone who spoke to her. Before them is a “quarantine aunt,” and they are not only “crowded” in a cramped room, it didn’t even occur to put a mask on anyone ... Russian maybe, in a cube. So ... if she has a virus - krants the whole country.
    Therefore, your arrivals in China, which coincide with the arrivals of Western propaganda, amid our (Russian) gouging that the Chinese did not fight with him in December ... do not sound very convincing.
    The alarm was sounded already on January 5, when 59 cases were identified. The first dead appeared on January 11th. And only after that, WHO "bothered" ... purely for public relations.
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      It is not necessary to think that the organizers of the trial of the runaway were continuous slobs and suckers and did not consult with the sanitary authorities. Undoubtedly, one hundred% knew that the escaped lady was not infected. In court, a demonstrative flogging of a lady was needed to show immature minds that it is impossible to escape from quarantine even with human rights. Which was gracefully achieved, which was facilitated by a crowd of journalists. And now let liberals of all stripes wrinkle their stupid pubes and wring their hands. The goal is achieved. So it will be with everyone who escapes from quarantine.
  • mikh-korsakov 18 February 2020 11: 43 New
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    Someone will begin to criticize me for showing that I am against freedom to show on ... on television, to show authorities x .. not only in my pocket, but also in reality, and also because I believe that that people are worthy of respect, who in difficult times managed to rally and gave examples of self-sacrifice in the name of saving people. So was our people. But now we have among a wealthy public a large group of people who, on the pretext of human rights (this young lady proudly declared that she has rights), are ready to expose everyone, even to the slightest risk, this is sad. Glory of the CCP !!!
  • AnderS 18 February 2020 12: 02 New
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    Yeah, and then, after 5-10 years, IEE will remove another govoserial series called "Wuhan", where it will show how the Chinese are shooting machine guns from crowds of quarantine Wuhan, buried in bulldozers and poured concrete from hundreds of dead corpses from the epidemic, Chinese builders are mother gave birth to build a hospital in 10 days, and the valiant Chinese dissident human rights activists open the world to the totalitarian, not democratic Chinese system ...
  • Nikolay73 18 February 2020 12: 19 New
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    You can discuss for a long time whether or not to agree with the Chinese model of social structure and principles of governance, BUT, this is no longer a Hollywood movie, it is life itself that gives lessons to the realization of the necessary model of human behavior to continue life, simply if the incubation period of the next strain is more than for a long period (as an option) a small polar fox will visit us all .. and once again we do not believe the next “Chinese" warning.
  • Geo⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣ 18 February 2020 13: 20 New
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    In China, such an irresponsible act is impossible by definition.

    How do you know? Do you seriously claim that not a single potentially infected person in China tried to avoid quarantine? On the basis of what you undertake to assert this? Only on the basis of a picture from your own imagination.

    The “red” list includes people for good behavior ...
    It’s easy to get into the “black list” for misconduct ...

    Are you so confident in our officials that you would like to give them such undivided power over society? Above oneself? Over your children? Oh well.
    In China, there are also enough officials exploiting power in their own power-hungry and selfish interests. The presence in the hands of a priori non-angelic power of such powerful tools for managing society is an absolute evil.
  • Zaits 18 February 2020 22: 48 New
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    Perhaps, such a quarantine as China organized according to the coronavirus at home, hardly others could have organized.

    Yes Yes. In what other country of the world will snot chew for almost a month, while releasing several million potential carriers of the virus from the zone of mass infection, b. then arrange for the ostentatious construction of a hospital, etc., etc.?
    But the saddest thing is not even that. From the numbers of statistics issued by the official authorities of the PRC, it smacks of manipulations (the schedules of sick and recovered strongly suggest such thoughts). If this is true, then it is not just that, and we simply do not know anything about the true state of affairs.
  • Pandiurin 24 February 2020 07: 52 New
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    Quote: Zaits
    In what other country of the world will snot chew for almost a month, while releasing several million potential carriers of the virus from the zone of mass infection, b. then arrange the ostentatious construction of a hospital, etc., etc.? ...

    Now in Italy (the population is comparable to Wuhan Ave.) 100 cases were detected.
    Accordingly, the EU with advanced medicine and a non-Asian management system, armed with already existing knowledge about the new coronavirus, will demonstrate how it is necessary at the same time efficiently, democratically and transparently.
    By the way, the statistics for Italy are also not similar to reliable (in my opinion they only "turned on" monitoring for this disease, too sharp growth)