Ukrainian engines are in demand: Supplies of Ukrainian components to Russia continue


Another scandalous trial is planned in Kiev on the topic of cooperation between the non-downstream enterprises and our country in the military-technical field. While official representatives of companies that local "patriots" are trying to convict of "harassment" reject even the very thought of something like this, Ukrainian specialized Internet resources publish concrete evidence of the opposite and detailed lists of products, including dual-use , which literally was recently delivered from Ukraine to Russia.


The scandal erupted after a message was published on February 16 at the Ukrainian Industrial Portal stating that the search and rescue Be-200ES amphibious aircraft built from the Taganrog ANTK aerodrome took to the air. aviation Russian Navy. What does Ukraine have to do with this? The most immediate: after all, each such aircraft is equipped with two Ukrainian-made D-436TP engines. And just the delivery of two such turbojet engines to TANTK them. Berieva was recorded in February this month.

According to the portal, Motor Sich’s cooperation with Russia is far from limited to this supply. They claim that, in addition to engines for the Be-200ES, in 2019, the company delivered to Russia other units in demand: two aircraft turboprop engines D-136 ser. 1 with a capacity of 8383 kW, intended for installation on civilian Mi-26T helicopters; two aviation turbofan engines for passenger An-148 aircraft. In January and February of this year, two D-18T turbojet engines for the An-124-100 were delivered twice.

This publication caused a stir in Kiev. The press service of Ukroboronprom Concern was not slow in issuing an official statement stating that in strict accordance with the Cabinet’s resolution of 2014 “there is no trade with the aggressor country.” Moreover, the company vigilantly monitors, "so that not a single nut hits the enemy"!

Representatives of Motor Sich OJSC also swore with the most honest air that they had not concluded any deals with Russia since at least June 2014. However, at the same time, for some reason, they all the time “turned off” on the topic of deliveries to our country of AI-222 engines for Yak-130 UBS, which, since 2015, have been sent exclusively to China. Concerning the products mentioned in the list of the Industrial Portal, the company preferred to prudently keep silent.

At present, at the stage of discussion and conclusion are supplies of Ukrainian aircraft engines to Russia in the amount of at least two billion rubles. It is a possible option. By the Be-200ES alone, up to 2027 units can be built up to 16 - to be deployed on all navies. We multiply by two engines, each of which costs about 2,5 million dollars ... A good amount!

Incidentally, during the creation of this aircraft there was an idea to abandon the engines from the "non-down" in favor of the SaM146 power plant of French-Russian production. However, they decided not to do this: all the same, a complete import substitution in this case does not work.
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  1. steelmaker 18 February 2020 18: 19 New
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    We fly into space, but we cannot build an engine for an airplane for so many years. Tear down not to build - USE graduates !?
    1. Lexus 18 February 2020 18: 23 New
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      all the same, a full-fledged import substitution in this case does not work

      Without "amendments to the Constitution" in any way! laughing
      Tear down not to build - USE graduates !?

      And someone in "these", with purchased and "honorary" diplomas, "believed"? request
      1. Aerodrome 18 February 2020 18: 36 New
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        I don’t know how, but in the Urals, here we have, and Ukrainian beer skips, about “candy-chocolates” in general they are silent, and they never disappeared, such strange sanctions.
        1. Lexus 18 February 2020 18: 40 New
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          Full of "sanctions."
          1. Genry 18 February 2020 19: 17 New
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            Quote: lexus
            Full of "sanctions."

            Say thank you to Lukashenko!
            In addition, he also created a hole on the border for any rabble.
            1. 210ox 18 February 2020 19: 23 New
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              Well yes. Orsha aircraft factory production. According to reports, part of the Motor Sich production is made there.
              1. CBRE FB 19 February 2020 21: 45 New
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                on the contrary, it was in Orsha that Ukrainian engines were installed on Russian helicopters.
            2. Lexus 18 February 2020 19: 24 New
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              I didn’t know that Lukashenko was “banking” in the Kremlin.
              1. Genry 18 February 2020 19: 30 New
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                "The cat left the kittens ..."
                There is no barrier between Russia and Belarus .... But Lukashenko, by his decision, decided to let someone into Belarus without visas.
            3. 210ox 18 February 2020 22: 01 New
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              A hole at the border was created not without the participation of Russian business and customs officers, by the way. And what's wrong with the fact that we are receiving products (the same aircraft engines assembled in Belarus)?
        2. TermNachTer 18 February 2020 21: 02 New
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          Candies you know whose. At the expense of beer - the company "SanInBev" owns breweries around the world. Including in Russia and Ukraine. So Ukrainian came to you, apparently "blocked" the seasonal decrease in production.
        3. tech3030 23 February 2020 12: 02 New
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          In Omsk, in Magnet, Ukrainian Obolon beer, I bought it and only considered it at home. And what to do ... destroyed!
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan 18 February 2020 19: 11 New
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      We fly into space, but we cannot build an engine for an airplane for so many years. Tear down not to build - USE graduates !?


      Do you realize how much it costs to develop a new engine ?!

      How many of these Be-200s will they build ?! 16-30 pieces ?! If only for the sake of doing this a new engine, the plane will become gold.

      In Russia, they make engines for both fighters and transport planes and helicopters, but 100% import substitution is not always justified.
      1. antivirus 18 February 2020 21: 27 New
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        if you don’t strangle in a hug. then be sure to hug until trembling.
        The goal is to attach the administrative-territorial units of the outskirts by the cash flows of our trade.
        These are the conditions for continuing trade - breaking the state of Ukraine in rubles. otherwise, our weakness in "foreign trade" leaves them with the freedom of Bandera.
      2. 210ox 18 February 2020 22: 03 New
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        Some infuriate that the products come from there. But the fact that our businessmen (well, a very patriotic pancake) drive a tanning bed there, as it does not touch ..
    3. Horde1 18 February 2020 19: 29 New
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      Quote: steel maker
      We fly into space, but we cannot build an engine for an airplane for so many years. Tear down not to build - USE graduates !?


      on the other hand, as they write cheerfully in these media, and pd14 did, it will be soon, and nk32m did, it will be soon, the dvigun of the second stage was done, it will be soon, on t14 the dvigun was done, but they didn’t finish it. And they write and write, already the soul rejoices for our mass media.
    4. sagitch 18 February 2020 20: 38 New
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      The plant was built, the engines were designed, they started to produce .., but only, the plant was not built there.
    5. Mavrikiy 18 February 2020 22: 43 New
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      Quote: steel maker
      We fly into space, but we cannot build an engine for an airplane for so many years. Tear down not to build - USE graduates !?

      Get hungry, why is the Unified State Examination a hangover .... It was not the Unified State Examination that destroyed it, but the fathers — commanders. Build? Yes, five seconds, only Mishustin will come to you at night, and you will send him in a cold sweat to the redhead and the Head of Chukotka.
      I do not mind, but the tax scale should be progressive, and as long as we don’t miss it, all questions will be idiotic. Including about life. For without the lives of our children, it loses its meaning.
    6. Mavrikiy 18 February 2020 23: 59 New
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      Quote: steel maker
      We fly into space, but we cannot build an engine for an airplane for so many years. Tear down not to build - USE graduates !?
      Judging by the epaulettes, you mock, the examiner. Only a muddle with the Unified State Examination could dump space with aviation into one pit and equate it.
      + You put your nose on the plane, definitely not. And the engine, my friend, is not Snickers. You can’t bake him on the line. You need to give birth to him. If you’re ready to give birth, then “to the studio!”, And the GDP is right there for you, the First-Called St. Andrew, and Nice, and at least I’ll answer, just say that you’re ready to answer with a blunt head and other rubbish.
      "Learn, study and study." Grandfather Lenin. Save!
      Destroyed the industry! Glory to perestroika, Gorbach, Yeltsin and colleagues! ....
      1. mmaxx 19 February 2020 06: 03 New
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        Screamers cannot explain what an aircraft engine is. Even the other, the best, can not always be put on a particular plane. Creating an engine specifically for the Be-200 is crazy. Any engines - automobile, marine, aviation, etc. etc. are created with the expectation of using in a specific and justified niche. Otherwise, it will be VERY EXPENSIVE. The one that is is produced for a long time and, unfortunately, in Zaporozhye.
        Here it is - either get the engine or kill the plane.
        1. Grigory_45 19 February 2020 10: 58 New
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          Quote: mmaxx
          Here it is - either get the engine or kill the plane.

          or carry out remotorization. If there was anything to put from domestic engines ...

          Engines will not be required by the number of aircraft (even multiplied by two), we need motors to replace the flew resource
    7. EvilLion 19 February 2020 09: 05 New
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      For the illiterate, rocket engines are much simpler than aircraft.
  2. New Year day 18 February 2020 18: 20 New
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    .. in 2019, the company delivered to Russia other units in demand: two aircraft turboprop engines D-136 ser

    They would take it together and begin to build as grandfathers and as fathers! Well, what mountains can you turn!
    1. Lexus 18 February 2020 18: 33 New
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      They would take it together and begin to build as grandfathers and as fathers! Well, what mountains can you turn!

      Did you want to "return to the Soviet Union"? wink The Throne Witness is categorically against.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan 18 February 2020 19: 20 New
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        Did you want to "return to the Soviet Union"? wink "Throne witness" is categorically against.


        Not in the Soviet Union, but the union is not a "throne witness", but a president elected by the people.

        In Ukraine, presidents rarely hold out for more than one term, so how did that help them ?! Maybe there are less officials stealing and there is more order from this than in Russia ?! No, everyone drags and tears to pieces, just to be in time, but nobody thinks about what will happen tomorrow.
    2. Whalebone 18 February 2020 18: 37 New
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      They’ve already built up. Now, from the subfield, purchases must be made. All strategic production should be in the Russian Federation. It is absolutely not clear what they thought before the age of 14. It was necessary to buy in the bud (pick up for debts) the production of interest to us and export it to the Russian Federation.
      1. Selevc 18 February 2020 18: 50 New
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        It is absolutely not clear what they thought before the age of 14.
        And everyone was sitting and sitting ... Everyone was deciding what place Ukraine would be in the Eurasian Union and which one in Europe - either with one foot, or with two, or backwards in the EEC and front in the EAEU or vice versa ... short pants "- until the thunder struck ...
      2. EvilLion 19 February 2020 09: 02 New
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        It is absolutely unclear why the volume of these very strategic productions does not reach you. Even in theory, it was impossible to create everything at once in 10 years, and this process went on continuously, until it reached at some point a point where Russia could already do almost without everything, because there is one. Until that moment, I had to pull and negotiate. You can’t break off supplies right now if your plant is only in 5 years.

        All claims against the USSR, which built these industries in the republics and gave loans to all kinds of Africa.
  3. Zeev Zeev 18 February 2020 18: 24 New
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    And all are right. All these parts and engines were sold to Russia not by Ukrainian companies, but by Belarusian ones. Needless to say with appropriate markups.
  4. helmi8 18 February 2020 18: 28 New
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    If Motor Sich does not sell engines to Russia, it can be closed. All of its production was initially oriented to Russian planes and helicopters, and it was still under construction during the USSR and was integrated into the general economy.
    1. Sergey39 18 February 2020 18: 39 New
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      Yes, let them bargain for themselves. People need something to live on.
      1. Aerodrome 18 February 2020 19: 11 New
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        Quote: Sergey39
        Yes, let them bargain for themselves. People need something to live on.

        yes nothing falls to people ...
    2. CBRE FB 19 February 2020 21: 47 New
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      not Russian, but Soviet, which fly around the world and everyone needs new engines. And the Russian market against their background is a drop in the bucket.
  5. businessv 18 February 2020 18: 30 New
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    By the Be-200ES alone, up to 2027 units can be built up to 16 - for deployment on all fleets of the Navy. We multiply by two engines, each of which costs about 2,5 million dollars ... A good amount!
    And who can refuse such an amount, especially knowing about the real reasons for the cessation of all supplies to Russia?
    1. Sergey39 18 February 2020 18: 46 New
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      Quote: businessv
      And who can refuse such an amount, especially knowing about the real reasons for the cessation of all supplies to Russia?

      (....) Stubborn Ukrainians. Easy.
  6. Whalebone 18 February 2020 18: 35 New
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    I don’t understand, the richest country, they just sent 3 yards for gas. Is it really impossible to buy and evacuate this Motorsich with giblets in the Russian Federation if they themselves have not learned how to do it in 5 years?
    1. Alexey RA 18 February 2020 19: 24 New
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      Quote: Whalebone
      Is it really impossible to buy and evacuate this Motorsich with giblets in the Russian Federation if they themselves have not learned how to do it in 5 years?

      If everything was so simple ... Boguslaev at the end of the 90s and beginning of the 2000s had been negotiating ten years to transfer production of helicopter engines to Russia. Ten years! That only ours did not offer - he either refused, or rolled up a question. In the end, it turned out to be cheaper to build your plant on the basis of Klimov Design Bureau than to pay for hoteliers of the Ukrainian side.
      1. Whalebone 18 February 2020 20: 08 New
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        Wrong negotiations, that's 10 years.
        1. Alexey RA 19 February 2020 19: 04 New
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          Quote: Whalebone
          Wrong negotiations, that's 10 years.

          And with whom else? Boguslaev on "Motor Sich" - the king and god. Advisor to Kravchuk, confidant of Kuchma, confidant of Yanukovych (twice), Hero of Ukraine - he fit into the system with all the leaders (who said Dopa and Hepa? smile ) On a personal condition - on 21st place in Ukraine.
          In short, neither move nor buy. Like Kiva on Antonov, they managed to remove him only after the complete collapse of the concern. But Motor Sich is booming ...
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan 18 February 2020 19: 31 New
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      Is it really impossible to buy and evacuate this Motorsich with giblets in the Russian Federation if they themselves have not learned how to do it in 5 years?


      What planet are you from ?!

      First of all, Russia makes a bunch of engines for various airplanes and helicopters, some of which are built from scratch, but making engines for a small series of aircraft is a waste !!!

      Secondly, Ukraine has imposed sanctions on even a number of civilian products !!! How are you going to buy a plant from them ?! Take an interest in how Russia bought equipment in Ukraine, for example, cruiser pr.1164 or strategic aircraft Tu-160 and Tu-95. Maybe it will reach you that they will not sell us anything.
      1. Whalebone 18 February 2020 20: 58 New
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        I am from planet Earth. The article says that they sell through gaskets. And it reached me a long time ago. All the way airplanes have been sculpting engines, since the beginning of aviation. There is a good motor - there is a plane. On the same RollsRoyce model, competitors Boeing and Airbus fly, for example.
        Plant to buy? For money, as well as engines. Who else will sell engines for the Be-200? Or maybe they sell planes there in the world dozens a year?
      2. EvilLion 19 February 2020 08: 58 New
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        So with the cruiser story from the category:
        - You do not need it, and nobody needs it, come on, we will buy at a discount, at least help us out and you will not spend money on maintenance.
        “Ah, you need him!” Drive 100500 million!

        Years passed, the cruiser rotted. At the same time, Russia at one time sold India an aircraft carrier almost for nothing, just realizing that in the coming years 20, or even 50, would not be needed either, after which it shook out more than 4 billion from the Indians on contracts to bring it to an adequate state, and the Indians greatly overpaid due to their own greed when they wanted to save, but ours did it to them, everything was exactly according to the contract, and then it turned out that the required amount of work was underestimated.
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    Eug 18 February 2020 18: 48 New
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    A significant part of the materials, parts, components, assemblies and components for these engines is made in Russia. So how these products get to Ukraine, in the same way and back. Most likely, UPC is not required for them, so anyone can be an intermediary.
  8. rocket757 18 February 2020 18: 56 New
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    It’s necessary, a lot of things are necessary ... how not to recall "there is no money, but you ...." do whatever you want, in general. There was a very "state" approach, or maybe ... ???
  9. Robert 18 February 2020 18: 59 New
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    Information was back in 2018:
    https://defendingrussia.ru/a/minoborony_zakazalo_ukrainskij_aviadvigatel_d436-8297/
    When necessary, they will buy and sell. And films, series are shot, entertainment programs ...
    When necessary, they will help with the Krysky Bridge (point 14):
    https://newizv.ru/news/economy/22-05-2018/sanktsii-po-boku-krymskiy-most-stroili-ukrainskie-i-evropeyskie-firmy
    And for plebs on TV: sanctions, Zelensky, LPR, DPR ...
    The whole situation with Ukraine is for domestic consumption in Russia and, accordingly, in Ukraine, and who smarter is doing their business on this or regardless of this.
  10. Lamata 18 February 2020 19: 08 New
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    in Krasnodar, I saw Ukrainian beer and sweets
  11. Lamata 18 February 2020 19: 09 New
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    Duck it is necessary to live, here they deliver, in Europe they are unnecessary.
  12. svp67 18 February 2020 19: 10 New
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    Incidentally, during the creation of this aircraft there was an idea to abandon the engines from the "non-down" in favor of the SaM146 power plant of French-Russian production. However, they decided not to do this: all the same, a complete import substitution in this case does not work.
    Saying is easy, but hard to do.
    Motor Sich is not just an enterprise, but a former enterprise of the military-industrial complex of the USSR, which worked in close cooperation with enterprises throughout the USSR. And now raising the question of deliveries of these engines to Russia, it may be worth recalling that part of the components for them are still produced only in Russia and they also get to the Motor Sich assembly line via the “illegal” route
  13. Pavel57 18 February 2020 21: 05 New
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    We were called to the global market, where you can buy everything. And no one thought about sanctions. In order to close the entire line of engines you need time and resources. Part of the line was closed. The other part will be closed, but not instantly.
  14. Mavrikiy 18 February 2020 22: 14 New
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    Another scandalous trial is planned in Kiev on the topic of cooperation between the non-downstream enterprises and our country in the military-technical field.
    But we sho, we welcome the trial, chop off their heads for sale, because they dreamed of feeding their little ones, here .... though do not rush, the Jesuits can provide irreplaceable services in terms of brushwood and the faith of Christ. And they are already grazing in your garden.
  15. Dur_mod 18 February 2020 22: 18 New
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    Hmm, zrada zradnaya, shit, not so shit! If the Poroshenko factory made trolleybuses and bought engines for it in Russia at the tank factory, the director mumbled something unintelligible about their purchases. War is war and grandmas are on schedule. They caught everything on metal theft in LDNR, the fighter took to the camera, they beat him true, but not for salvage, it means it’s still not for sale, so there is hope that there are real people in Ukraine and God forbid, the shop has brought peace and admonition to our people .
  16. 7,62h54 18 February 2020 22: 44 New
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    Apparently the next BE200 we will not see soon
  17. About 2 19 February 2020 01: 19 New
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    And this is despite the fact that the Russian government called about import substitution.
  18. Nitarius 19 February 2020 05: 02 New
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    ordinary people have nothing to do with it ... they want to eat .. so .. when the fools calm down ... everything will be as before!
    1. EvilLion 19 February 2020 08: 51 New
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      Will be gone. But some did not understand this.
  19. EvilLion 19 February 2020 08: 51 New
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    So there, it seems, until now, semi-underground trade is with a motor owl. In general, Boguslaev, of course, had to, if not in 2010, then in 2014, flee to Russia with the factory and people.
  20. ZaharoFF 19 February 2020 09: 09 New
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    Money doesn't smell. These ghouls (our "businessmen") will bargain even when they come to their home.
  21. Angrybeard 19 February 2020 09: 57 New
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    The Chinese sold the aircraft factory, so the Americans had to urgently connect the secretaries of state (and this is not a fact of what happened), and Russia got a cookie with butter on both the cruiser and the engines.
    Since the beginning of independence, Ukraine has been controlled by the United States, otherwise it would have sold all the plants for a long time.
    And here is the Russian import substitution of engines that ship that airborne arrogantly given. 6 years from the age of 14, and not to say that you can brag. What are some gray schemes with Belarus, which the Ukrainian branch of Crusbu could well cover up and what then, without Mi 26, amphibians and repairs of An 148 and Ruslan? It is clear that if they could, they would do. So they can’t .. from piece production to declare an import-substituted product to a large serial production distance is large. And what is the guarantee in these engines there is no sabotage, bookmarks and other things? It is strange to buy engines from a country that has driven Russian children into cellars for many years with artillery shelling.
    1. Dur_mod 19 February 2020 10: 35 New
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      Not Russian, but Ukrainian, these URUs are firing at the Ukrainian people and Ukrainian citizens in the Donbas, and the Russians are in Russia. It’s not necessary to divide my people into nationalities, in Ukraine all Russians and all Ukrainians are citizens of Ukraine and to manipulate that they fire only Russians, it’s vile, shell everyone who lives there!
      1. Angrybeard 19 February 2020 11: 12 New
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        Russian in this context is more about soul and mentality than nationality. Abroad, everyone east of the Bug was called Russian, including Armenians and Yakuts. Not without reason. Perhaps it’s easier to convey in a word what values ​​a person has, what civilizational baggage is the legacy of centuries, heroic ancestors, or a fairy tale about Estonian independence before the Great Flood and Russophobia as a strong nation and an opportunity to beg for loans from the owners. Here are some Ukrainians who decided that they were on the way with Bandera and gay parades. So they are not called Ukrainians here .. Sumerians are the most civilized.
        1. Dur_mod 19 February 2020 11: 37 New
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          I understand you, only after the likes of your post, some members of the forum begin to believe and prove to me that Ukrainians are at war with the Russians in the Donbas, and in Crimea Russia saved the Russians from bloodthirsty Ukrainians, missing the fact that in Ukraine there is no separation of nationalities, we are all citizens Ukraine, regardless you are Russian in spirit, blood, mentality, hair and eye color.
  22. iouris 20 February 2020 13: 12 New
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    If this is true, then all the more it is necessary to unite the states.
  23. Pavel Fedorov 23 February 2020 12: 00 New
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    It's time to produce your own, after all ....
  24. remal 25 February 2020 11: 15 New
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    If it is not profitable to develop, you need to put the finished ones. There are export contracts for the plane, including from the USA. So it’s logical to put American and make money on it. For the Yak-40, at SibNIA, they made a modification with composite elements and American engines, so after the execution of the contractors they convey the development of a similar topic with the Be-200. With American engines there will be a model for extinguishing fires around the world, and all that with Ukrainian will fly in the interests of the Moscow Region.

    Then there is the Sam146 engine, it is rather weak for a seaplane, but again it is possible to make a cargo-passenger modification for unpaved airfields.

    Well, all the same, to develop a model range PD-14, PD-8 to replace Sam146, and maybe some new one with a gearbox for the future.