"Javelins" for Ukraine: how APU increase anti-tank power

The military department reported on the measures taken in 2019 to increase the anti-tank power of the armed forces units.

According to the data presented, according to the results of last year, 162 man-portable missile systems of the “Stugna” and “Corsair” models were delivered to the armed forces of the country.

Of interest is the assessment by Ukrainian experts of the combat potential of the Soviet and released already in non-dependent complexes. They complain that every third launch from the anti-tank systems made during the USSR was ineffective. The reason for this is seen in the "moral and physical obsolescence" of products.

However, analysts immediately claim that only 71% of the applications of the “Stugny-P”, adopted for service in 2011, can be considered successful.

A similar indicator for Corsair (in the army since 2017) is 84%.

Perhaps it is for this reason that the local generals have such high hopes for American products. As indicated in the report of the Ministry of Defense, last year Ukraine signed a contract providing for the supply of 10 Javelin type ATGMs and corresponding missiles.

But the high cost of the American product is able to disarm the Ukrainian army worse than militias: the price of Javelin is about $ 250 thousand, and the cost of a shot is $ 100 thousand. This is five times more expensive than Ukrainian products. As a result, along with the "overseas gingerbread" in 2019, 100 units of the Korsar and Stugna anti-tank systems were ordered.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

However, analysts immediately claim that only 71% of the applications of Stugny-P, which was adopted in 2011, can be considered successful.

Successful, is it when the enemy flew away?

the price of Javelin is about $ 250 thousand, and the cost of a shot is $ 100 thousand. It is five times more expensive than Ukrainian products

And if you do not shoot and resell? In the Voentorg commission, for example?

[Same lech]

And if you do not shoot and resell? In the Voentorg commission, for example?

It depends on what price and in what state it will be sold.
And since the Javelins of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not bring them much benefit ... after all, one must still be able to use them and apply them correctly ... with which the Ukrainian army is a big problem.
The Javelins themselves are too much publicized ... in real combat conflicts around the world, the old good Soviet anti-tank systems and American TOUs are not of the first freshness ... they have proven their reliability ... and the Javelins are more stupid ads for Aboriginal people to calm down.

[TermNachTer]

And what can 10 pieces do? Not enough for one serious fight. According to evil tongues, all the "javelins" allegedly transferred to UkroSS are at the Yavoriv training ground, under the supervision of NATO instructors. Otherwise, I think they'd already sold it.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Here, I think, the incorrect presentation of information and the richness of the Russian language.
There are videos on the Internet when operators of both sides launch Soviet anti-aircraft missile systems, and they ... They fall next to the launcher! Well, damp!)))
I have not yet seen such videos on "stugna" and "corsairs". But this does not guarantee that the launches of them are 100 percent "successful" (which word they have chosen). After all, if you do not hit the center, this is "not successful".
And about the "javelin" ... Here, most likely, it is more about the psyche. According to the recollection of an artilleryman friend (APU), in 2014-2015, after rumors that Buratino were seen in the LDNR, many began a psychological decline. The officers had to "wipe the snot".
So it is with the javelin. The belief that they are covered by the "omnipresent and omnipotent" ... Probably helps.

[Vladimir_2U]

Cheto minutes, the brothers seem. Or burned a profitable scheme.

[Chigi]

Everything will be as usual.
Half of “Stugny-P” and “Cornet” will be resold to Libya or to Yemen (for example).
The Javelines will be left "in service."
Save statistics and raise money a little

[Mountain shooter]

As far as I know, "Darts" were not used in clashes. Either it is expensive, or in "non-race" conditions, low efficiency is feared. Such a dear, dear unnecessary thing to cheer up the troops ...

[carstorm 11]

Yes, even if applied. unit commanders should and are even required to know their capabilities and performance characteristics. let's say they were used at a certain site or reconnaissance revealed them. tactics should simply change flexibly to ensure work. somewhere DRGs must knock them out somewhere using their weaknesses, the commanders must readjust. this is a normal job.

[Russian_man]

There is a war going on and people are dying, and the word Ukraine means nothing at all. Relatively recently, there was an American special forces. And there is also a paid safari for living people. And you put emoticons. ... As I imagine my grandmother in the garden in a sniper scope, it becomes so dark in my eyes. I would like to get a job there as a fireman, to heat the boilers with such "hunters" who are like Ukrainians, but in fact in general ... just ... must be disposed of.

[Same lech]

As I imagine my grandmother in the garden in a sniper scope, it becomes so dark in my eyes. I would like to get a job there as a fireman, to heat boilers with such "hunters"

You are not alone in this ... I also have such a desire since 2014 after the Nazis burned people in Ukraine in Odessa and the bombing of civilians in the Donbass.
But there are Minsk agreements and games of politicians and the life and death of their grandmother means little in them ... these are the realities at the moment.

[Russian_man]

This is all nonsense. The life of a grandmother is all that we have left after the collapse of the USSR and Gorboeltsinism. There will be nothing else. If we don't save it, then nothing will work out. One shame of the 90s and oblivion will continue. And everything else will be quickly forgotten, including the Minsk "agreements".

[Same lech]

The USSR has not been around for 20 years ... it’s time to learn how to live in new realities ... we have long ceased to have the Soviet Army ... the Soviet military-industrial complex has long ceased to exist ... but words and simple indignation are of little use.

[Russian_man]

what other realities, how can you still live, except in truth? ... that the correct answer is a lie. Your "new" reality is a hole of great shame. You have confused the new reality with a place that has never been so disgusting in Russia. I am generally silent about Ukraine, its new reality has already ruined all the best that was there, including the future of this state. There is still an opportunity to talk about some kind of reality in Russia only because the country is still supported by people with Soviet education, upbringing and a past. Everything else smells very bad. Seekers of the "new" reality who deny the "old" will have to wrap feces in candy wrappers all their lives - and no one will buy it from you, no one. Everyone is already sick of the smell of your "new" reality.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

"Darts" were not used in clashes, as far as I know

Used, but not against tanks.
https://topwar.ru/153248-protivotankovyj-raketnyj-kompleks-fgm-148-javelin-ssha.html
Somewhere else about the fight of the Amer group. SPN with a column of militants, supposedly without the Javs, would not have fought back.

[carstorm 11]

firstly, not power but opportunity. they still need to be implemented. secondly, in the same Donbass it is necessary to be afraid of just their ATGMs and not these child prodigies.

[Russian_man]

Reasonably, I like to listen to thinking people.

[carstorm 11]

Yes, here and think is not particularly necessary if, in truth. all this in any tank school is crushed.

[Russian_man]

okay already, well done ... eat a pie, read other notes.

[Russian_man]

With the advent of Zelensky, Ukraine, although it did not join the European Union, but it really became a EUROUkraine)), though ... in the EUROanus)) Something is wrong with their food and water, probably. How can one live like that? ... They flaunted the whole world and go around as if they were restless ... they think they will get away with it for free ... Well, well, the big shame hole and the morning of the shootings' execution are already close. It seems to me that the NATO base ... the Ibanists. And weapons too.

[Thrifty]

It will be difficult, or almost impossible, to sell your ineffective one in the republic. And the javelins are expensive, you can sell it, but it's hard to get it! Around zrada! !!

[rotmistr60]

local generals have such high hopes for American products

And who still has to pin their hopes if their own defense industry is in decline. What is not important is expensive, but what if the Americans take pity and forgive part of the debts, for example, for land?

[Russian_man]

... Javelins for Ukraine and Gauges for Argentina, Favorit and Thor to Korea and Zelensky - a canary, Powder bag on his head and trousers of melted tin, let him dance until you drop, let him be the star of hit parades ...))
... There is nothing serious in Ukraine so far)) ... except for biological laboratories and something else.

[second lieutenant Anastasia Besko]

There is nothing serious in Ukraine yet

Well, the Ukrainian army, in principle, differs very little from the Russian one. In service - the same Soviet trash in the same disgusting technical condition, the same backward organization, the same failures with the training of personnel, and especially - the command and staff. It would be naive to expect something different from the Armed Forces, "hatched" from the Red Army.

[Russian_man]

You gave a good example of a text with undisguised provocative content, designed for uneducated people who do not have the skills to handle information sources and appeal not to facts, but to misinformation stamps that are distributed by your colleagues in the media .. You wrote this just not for me, but for everyone else ... you can clearly see why and what it means, you don’t know, right? ..

[second lieutenant Anastasia Besko]

If I wanted me to not it was "seen" - I would not identified even the 18th Center even at the country level of location.
Now, in essence: what I wrote above is well known to everyone "not hit by the TV ".

[Russian_man]

You are again mistaken in everything. In particular, I have not been watching TV for 23 years, for various reasons. Think about it ...
Basically, I don’t need your answer. I think our correspondence is over.

[Lamata]

100 per shot, and without a guarantee that the shooter will hit, a bit too much.

[second lieutenant Anastasia Besko]

It is unclear why the "Ukrainian generals" should refuse from "Dart" The forehead of the Soviet tank, even covered by the "Doublet", it burns perfectly. And "Java" is much more expensive than 250 kilobucks - your scouts are worthless.