NATO forces will not help Turkey in the Syrian province of Idlib

The death of the Turkish military in Syria in early February is not a reason for military assistance to the North Atlantic Alliance Ankara. At least, such a problem was not raised during the meeting of NATO defense ministers.

This was reported to the TASS news agency by a source working in the diplomatic mission of one of the Alliance states in Brussels.

He explains this by saying that Turkish soldiers died during a military operation on foreign territory, so it does not fall under the scope of Article 5 of the NATO Charter. The death of the military did not occur during the attack on Turkey, so it cannot count on other countries of the Alliance entering the conflict. According to the diplomatic worker, Ankara is well aware of this, and therefore they did not begin to raise this issue there. At the same time, he added that many European NATO members do not agree with the policy of Turkey in the Middle East.

Another source of TASS from the NATO military believes that the Turkish army is one of the most combat-ready in the Alliance. She is able to independently cope with the Syrian government forces. True, the concern is the possibility that Ankara’s active actions in Syria could cause its military clash with Iran or Russia.

Comments

[svp67]

The death of the Turkish military in Syria in early February is not a reason for military assistance to the North Atlantic Alliance Ankara.

That's it, "finita la comedy" ... I think that the Turks lost this round ... In any case, there is already information that our "VP" is evacuating and escorting Turkish servicemen from checkpoints, which were in the depths of the positions of the Syrian army and supply capabilities, to the positions of the Turkish troops

[Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: svp67

Everything, "finita la comedy" ... I think the Turks lost this round

NATO is still on friendly terms with the head, and revenge on Erdogan is also a little present. Now Erdogan may begin to declare to us in love and friendship. His dream of a new Ottoman Empire is quietly covered.

[Geniuses]

In fact, Turkey is an outcast to NATO, on secondary roles.

[Labrador]

And who in Nate is not an outcast except mattresses? I think that the big war is still more feared now than in the 30s.

[Wolf]

Evil Briti, everyone else CANNOTLY MEAT, even the Germans, the Germans' problems are that they are in the majority SLAVAN, and there is the RACIAL BARRIER !!!

[Thrall]

They forgot the commander!

[Oquzyurd]

Aha, if this "outcast" declares that he is leaving NATO, the rest will come with tears to beg not to leave. The only soldiers in NATO, in Europe, are the Turks and the Germans. The Germans calmed down in 1945, but as a militant nation. , will never calm down, even if the enemy is much stronger. Such a mentality, brought up for millennia.

[Wolf]

The evil Briti besides the Americans, all the rest CANNOTLY MEAT, even the Germans, the Germans' problems are that they are in the majority SLAVAN, and there is the RACIAL BARRIER !!!

[Wolf]

Turks use NATO as toilet paper yet another Napoleon and then the Habsburg !!! ;)

[Oquzyurd]

Yes, of course, Napoleon is the main NATO member
Frightened by the Ottomans who took Constantinople in 1453, Europeans searched for new lands, found America in 1492. Europe never ruled over Turks, and Turks ruled over half of Europe for 400 years. Who tells toilet paper, the story tells.

[Wolf]

The Turks were given 49 ships, TRADER BILLS to attack the Serbian Kingdom THROUGH BUOGARIU, and they came from CONSTANTINOPOL TO VENICE !!! Turk is used as toilet paper from the 12th century !!!

[Sergey Olegovich]

Not from the 12th century, but constantly use them. Napoleon does not remember from history that he used them. The Germans used Turkey as they wanted, and the British also used them. The Habsburgs sometimes also set the Turks on Russia

[Wolf]

Do you know what Napoleon gave the Turks a cannon and an officer an instructor to strangle 1. Serbian rebellion? 1804

[Wolf]

1809 The Turks declared war on Russia, and launched an offensive on the Serbian rebels in Serbia, Then Napoleon sent Pushka, an instructor officer and a soldier to help the Turks. In the battle of Chegru 1809 many French soldiers died on the side of the Turks. There isn’t much written about this in history, but it was!

[Wolf]

It means that to understand how Napoleon's Masonic EU prepared the ground for an offensive in Rusiu with the head of the ladder Turk sent to Rusiu, and then Napoleon "great" commander advances. And what Happened?
Kutuzov simply kept with the Turks, but he rammed Napoleon and EU! and in 1814, the Ruska army left for Paris. So he fought at 2 FRONTS. Ode of Ivan the Great (Groznog) Russia could fight at 2 FRONTS and successfully. Today, someone is going to try, maybe life on 3 fronts?

[Wolf]

And one more interesting FACT !!! Napoleon "fought" and sa Anglam ali never with full force and never with great resources. Just like Hitler fought with Anglami. AND ONE AND ANOTHER WAR WITH THE ANGLES WAS A FAKE !!!
IF THERE WAS A NAPOLEON WHICH CREATED ALMOST EVA AS HOW Hitler HAD THIS RESOURCE AND ETU ARMENIA SENT IN ANGLES HE COULD RESCUE BRITAIN, EXACTLY LIKE HITLER !!! THREADS ARE FILLED THREADS TO HITLER WAS NOT THE OBJECTIVE TO BEAT THE ENGLAND!

[Wolf]

According to History, England in the case of Napolene had the "great" Weligton, and in the case of Hitler, the Spitfire. According to the chronicle of Weligton's thread, Spitfairi's threads did not save England but the agreement of the Rothschilds surname and eshe several surnames. Napoleon attacked Rusiu with 700.000 soldiers, a cannon, etc. He could build a bridge over the Channel in EU just like Hitler!

[Wolf]

What was the problem of Helm (Balkan) for Napolen, Rothschilds and Habsburgs, even Turks ??? They don't write anything about history and an ordinary person cannot know anything, but on Helmu there was a great SLAVIC KINGDOM ALMOST UP TO COSTANTINOPOL IN THE NORTH BEFORE THE DANUBE IN THE SOUTH, THE ADRIATIC POMORIA HAS BEEN HOLDING, IN THE EAST TO THE BLACK SEA OF ALL THE NORTH OF THE WESTERN GREECE IN GREECE. WHEN THE BOYS TRADERS POISONED THE TSARA DUSHANA STARTED THE DISSOLVE OF THE KINGDOM AND THE POSSIBILITY OF THE TURKENS TO COME TO HELM. BEFORE TSAR DUSHAN THE SERBIANS CLEARLY KEEPED THE ISLAMIC ROAD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BOSPHORUS, SOMETIMES THE GANG WALKED INTO BULGARIA THROUGH THE BLACK SEA, OR INTO NORTHERN GREECE BUT IT'S QUICKLY AND LEHKO DECISIONED. THE SERBIAN KINGDOM AFTER DUSHAN'S DEATH DIVIDED INTO 5 POWERS !!! 2 THE MRNACHEVICH BROTHERS HAVE BEEN BROUGHTED ONE BULGARIA AND PART NORTH GREECE, OTHER GREECE AND MACEDONIA. BRANCOVICI KEEPED NORTHERN SERBIA AND FREQUENTLY RUMUNIJA, LAZAREVICI TO CENTRAL SERBIU WITH ALBANI, AND KOTROMANICHI BOSNIA GREAT FREQUENTLY CROATIA AND ADRIATIC COAST. ALL THESE MAPE AND HISTORICAL MAP IN THE HEAD IS FAKES OF THE EZUITS, AND THEN AND THE MASONS. ESHE'S GRANDFATHER TSARA DUSHANA KING MILUTIN - FULLY NAME IT "THE STATE OF BULGARIA OF THE ADRIATIC SEA AND LANDS EVERYTHING TO THE DANUBE. He also kept Bari in Italy, eg, and the gates of the Adriatic morale so that the young people would have to pay tribute to the middle sea. In addition, he let gold and silver coins, which angered Mletkov. Then they already wanted to make a global $ and so that they could control the stamping, but Milutun was silan and clever and they couldn’t be rich. Then the famous sings Dante precisely because of for punching the spool put Milutin in hell in his book. In addition to King Milutin, there was a great deal of trade with the people in Ukraine, Moldova, etc. There you will still find many Serbian coins of the 12-13th century.
Why did I write all this? To be able to see the current records.
In the 18th century, FRENCH JESUITI AND THE Catholic Church bring a lot of Gypsies and begin LATINIZATION OF THE PEOPLE IN ROMANIA !!! THERE WAS A SERBIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH ALL UNTIL THE 20TH CENTURY !!!!!!!!!!!, And tzv. The Romanians wrote in Cyrillic. The end of the 18th century. FANARIOTS IN LOCATION WITH FRENCH JESUITS ??? BEGINNING HUMAN RESOURCES IN ROMANIA !!!
When the process of romanization was completed, romania ONLY THEN AND ONLY THEN REMEMBER THE BEGINNING OF THE ATTACK OF THE NAPOLEON AND TURKS (AS PREPARATION) IN RUSSIA. Therefore, Napoleon sent the Pushcha both officers and soldiers to help the Turks in Helma (Balkan). Even at the end of the 19th century the Serb people ’uprising began in Hercegovina (Hercegovachko uprising), the Turks were on the verge of collapse and they could do nothing weak. The people drove Turku from Bosnia. But immediately the Turks and the Habsburgs agreed that Austria could freely occupy Bosniu? So, according to the history of Anexia, in fact, according to the CHRONICLES, THE OCCUPATION OF THE SERBIAN LAND AND PEOPLE.
And for the Habsburgs, and for the Ottomans, it was better to betray the territory to the enemy than to let Serbia regain their sovereignty ??? Why not tell a story, but LETOPIS YES !!! Then they created Albania on Serbian soil in 1912, etc. Everyone knows what they are doing today.
Live were.

[Victorio]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Yes, of course, Napoleon is the main NATO member
From the fright before the Ottomans having taken Constantinople in 1453, Europeans searched for new lands, found America in 1492. Europe never ruled over the Turks, but Turks ruled over half of Europe 400 years.Who toilet paper, the story tells.

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the Ottomans influenced, they were afraid, but they never ruled half of Europe. as regards the capture of Constantinople, by that time little was left of the former power and greatness of this great state and city.

[Oquzyurd]

"then by that time little remained of the former power and greatness of this great state and city." The reason for this decline is the same Seljuk Turks and the Ottomans who took over the baton. Starting in 1071, .... (The war on August 26, 1071, between the Seljuk ruler Alp Arslan and the Byzantine Emperor Romain Diogenes IV. The Battle of Manzikert, (Malazgirt) which led to the victory of Alp Arslan, known as “the last war, which gave the Turks a definite victory at the gates of Anatolia) ..... for centuries, fighting came to Constantinople in 1453. Everything could have happened much earlier. But the Mongol invasion put the entire continent in a difficult situation, in including the Empire of the Turks. They, the Mongols, destroyed the Seljuk Empire and in their place the Ottoman Empire was created, simultaneously fighting the Mongols from the east and Byzantium from the west. The Mongols retreated, the Ottomans were untied.

[major147]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Yes, of course, Napoleon is the main NATO member
Frightened by the Ottomans who took Constantinople in 1453, Europeans searched for new lands, found America in 1492. Europe never ruled over Turks, and Turks ruled over half of Europe for 400 years. Who tells toilet paper, the story tells.

But the Russian men did not know this, and broke the Turks ....

[Oquzyurd]

In Livvi, the task is to keep Sarajah, and not to capture the whole of Libya. They will do this. In Syria, the task is to create security after their borders, until everyone in Syria settles down and elections are held. I note that the Turks are for a single Syria, and that’s in each case, everyone is told.
"Armenians and Greeks will feel the slack and drive the Oghuzs under the bunk" Do not make people laugh, because in geopolitical games Armenians are not taken into account, Greeks are NATO members, they sit quietly, knowing that they will get Lyuli, it's like two and two, if that Iran is already having problems beyond their heads, they still lacked that 30 million Oghuz people in Iran stood up and the rest were sent to their Armenian friends. Believe me, the United States is waiting for such a gift. So, I hope Iran understands the alignment.

[Yeraz]

Quote: brr1

Then the Armenians with the Greeks will feel the weakness and drive the Oghuz under the shkonka.

Well, of course)))))

[brr1]

Quote: Yeraz

Quote: brr1

Then the Armenians with the Greeks will feel the weakness and drive the Oghuz under the shkonka.

Well, of course)))))

And what is not, they will throw themselves off at MANPADS, ATGMs and Ottoman scraps will fly up to fertilize the Syrian land.

[Yuri]

Of course the only ones, who else besides them ?! And who, if not the Russian audience, should know about it, because they met with them in countless battles.

True, for some reason they beat the only ones both in the tail and in the mane, on land and at sea, from all conceivable angles and from all angles ... forever catastrophically inferior in numbers. But all this is so, trifles.
And with the rest of the NATO, what kind of warrior is it? What is the use of people who number 600 knights cowardly throw out the darkness of the dark Turks from Malta? Or the Poles, who in a ratio of 1: 5 treacherously gouging even greater darkness under Vienna? Examples of such absurdities are a lot, just to list, I'm afraid the electricity will end.

And finally, who, if not a real warrior, crawls into a foreign land, arranges an universal crisis, and immediately rushes with a screech to ask for help from NATO (where, as you know, the warriors have once and twice miscalculated)?

As for leaving NATO, yes, they will not let go so easily. But not at all because of military qualities, but for completely different reasons.

And most importantly, the Turks themselves will never come out - because there will no longer be anyone to run after for intercession! And if something happened, for example, the Greeks would suddenly be inspired by Paragraph N5 during another provocation over the Aegean Sea;

[lucul]

Turks will never calm down, even if the enemy is much stronger. The mentality is such, educated for millennia.

Calm down - all the ambitions of the Turks buried the Russians, and more than once. At the moment, no one claims to the land of the Turks - you got (conquered) beautiful land - one of the best places on the planet. Live peacefully with your neighbors and everything will be fine.

[Oquzyurd]

I study the history of peoples (hobbies), I roughly know who is capable of what. I am Azerbaijani. Turks live from the Pacific Ocean to Bosnia and Albania. What are your ambitions? Are you living in such a large area that you don’t even need ambitions, this is a natural situation than ambition. Somewhere they conquered, somewhere they lost, but they were always like the earth itself.
"Calm down - all the ambitions of the Turks were buried by the Russians" How can the continuation of the "Kyzyl Horde" (a three-century empire of the Turks) bury the ambitions of the Turks? This is similar in its time to the struggle of the Kyzyl Horde with the Ildegizids. Everything repeats in history, with minor amendments.

[Oquzyurd]

Do not believe me, in the same family even people are killing each other. You probably live on Mars, you have little information about earthlings. Have you still got a taste of chewing gum yet?

[brr1]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Do not believe me, in the same family even people are killing each other. You probably live on Mars, you have little information about earthlings. Have you still got a taste of chewing gum yet?

And you?

[lucul]

How can the continuation of the "Kyzyl Horde" (three-hundred-year-old Turkic empire) bury the ambitions of the Turks?

You can run away from reality, only reality will not run away from you ....

[Oquzyurd]

Yes, but there is a past and a future, when viewed more broadly.

[lucul]

Yes, but there is a past and a future, when viewed more broadly

Genetic weapons have already been invented - as an example, coronavirus.
Does the science of the Türks possess the necessary knowledge to counter if the genetic weapons, God forbid, are used against the Türks?
This is a question - look wider ....

[Oquzyurd]

To be a Turk, it is mentality, just like in other peoples. It is not written on the genes of "Turk" that a separate genetic weapon would be invented. In the genes of the Turki, all of Asia and Europe. Medicine, science-directions are more developed than in Turkey. I will talk about the necessary little things: do you know that the world's largest manufacturer of protective masks, clothing and gloves is Turkey. Yes, medicines will be needed, but protection elements are very necessary in such cases , which is clearly visible in China.

[lucul]

Medicine, science-directions more than developed in Turkey

Do you think that Chinese medicine is worse than Turkish medicine? But China still can not solve the riddle of the virus. You understand - it’s not an appendix to cut out - everything is much more complicated, at the genetic level, and the infection can completely devastate the entire population in 2 weeks, like a deadly flu.
And will your geneticists be able to solve the rebus in 2 weeks - otherwise there will already be nobody to save.
I’m not at all sure whether work is being done in Turkey in this area.

[Oquzyurd]

In any country with an economy and acquaintance with science, research has been carried out in this direction. Since 1980, work has been carried out in Turkey on genetics.

[lucul]

On the genes "Turk" it is not written that a separate genetic weapon should be invented

Ask for example what a haplogroup is, for starters ....

[Oquzyurd]

I know what a haplogroup is. Therefore, I wrote that the Türks have all of Asia and Europe. Specifically, Turkish Türks have many haplogroups, since this people mixed up with all areas of geography during the administration (2 empires) in Asia Minor.

[brr1]

Quote: lucul

On the genes "Turk" it is not written that a separate genetic weapon should be invented

Ask for example what a haplogroup is, for starters ....

Do not pay attention, this is an Azerbaijani who has lost faith in himself and is now smearing himself towards a more successful country, where Turks live who consider Azerbaijanis a dirty, groomed people with a dubious vulgarity. If you don’t believe me, when you will have a rest in Turkey, talk to the Turks about who the Azerbaijanis are and how they relate to them. Will be in shock

[Oquzyurd]

"Armenian Radio" in its repertoire.

[Oquzyurd]

"Everything will be fine with you, and shashlik and saj and other shit." Eat for health, treat you. Where you were so offended, and how, why do you behave this way.

[Oquzyurd]

"barbecue and huckster" It is much more honorable than being an ordinary cattle.

[brr1]

Quote: Oquzyurd

"barbecue and huckster" It is much more honorable than being an ordinary cattle.

You know better, we were neither the one nor the other. We live humanly, for the greatness of each dandruff we do not tell.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Geni

In fact, Turkey is an outcast to NATO

They are not accepted into the geyroposoyuz
Hold near the threshold

[Oquzyurd]

The Turks are satisfied with "being kept near the doorstep", because they enjoy many of the benefits of the EU, but are free to act. They pretend to do what they want in the EU, but in fact they do not want to.

[Lipchanin]

Agree, we need their swar?
Yes, let them spread rot on each other. Everything is fine on their piece of paper, but in reality they are ready to devour each other

[LMN]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

Quote: svp67

Everything, "finita la comedy" ... I think the Turks lost this round

NATO is still on friendly terms with the head, and revenge on Erdogan is also a little present. Now Erdogan may begin to declare to us in love and friendship. His dream of a new Ottoman Empire is quietly covered.

"Was there a boy?"
This is not revenge on Erdogan, nor is it NATO's "sanity".

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

NATO is still a little friendly

Where to go
Elections are coming soon. He doesn't need coffins. And they will

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Sergey Olegovich

NATO is still a little friendly

Where to go
Elections are coming soon. He doesn't need coffins. And they will

Something like this. The mattresses themselves have problems above the roof in both Iraq and Afghanistan. They only jumped off from a full-fledged war with Iran, and here they are still drawn into one war without a clear prospect of ending it in their favor, and even for the Turkish Wishlist, clearly not in their interests.

[Incvizitor]

No NATO needs a new Ottoman Empire with an insane king in BV.

[Lipchanin]

Very good news
It looks like a "ball" called Erdogan began to deflate

[the most important]

Quote: svp67

Everything, "finita la comedy" ...

It has long been clear. But how many here shouted that for Turkey all as one in Nat harnessed and joyfully perished in a nuclear war. Unfortunately, a lot of commentators on VO do not see further their beer bottle standing in front of the sofa.

[ML-334]

Who would doubt that.

[Demagogue]

Everything now depends on how the Turks agree with Russia and Iran. It is not clear exactly where the front is stabilizing. It is clear that approximately somewhere in the area of ​​Jabal, which is now being stormed. The ledge is chopped up, or rather it is no longer as such, there are random fights. When the Asadites dig in, there will be a clear picture. Further the barmaley will be forced to the east, but how far ... this is politics.

Marked yesterday's events on the map. First, there was a breakthrough near Bashkatin to highway 62, after which the barmalei decided that you could not earn all the money, and ran. Then, in a few more places, they took control of 62 and began to develop an offensive to the north in order to cut off the last retreat routes. The blow from the north was auxiliary and limited.

[serzh.kost]

so the Anadan plateau and Jabal are already "ours". the offensive continues, and Darat Azza should be taken soon. and there is Al Atarib, they are not just ironed in the same way.

[Demagogue]

You missed the word "yesterday".

[serzh.kost]

Well, you suggested that the front stabilizes in the Jabal region. it seemed strange to me, because despite the successes this is clearly not enough, the territory is too large in the hands of terrorists.
The Kremlin seems to be decisive in the situation with Idlib. in the future, you can take the city of Idlib in a half ring, but there it will not do without solving the issue with Turkey. in principle, the Kremlin has good positions before serious negotiations with the Turks.

[Demagogue]

Jabal just took it. And you are already celebrating victory in Atarib. There is still a gap to the highway connecting Turkey with Idlib, which will certainly be occupied. In the south, they will probably also attack. And here is the most interesting part: will the Turks allow the highway to be cut to Idlib or will they join the battle.

[Mountain shooter]

A tub of cold water on the Sultan. One on one with Syria, the Turks can and control. However, who said that it will be Syria alone?

[hydrox]

And that’s true: as soon as the Kurds find out what a sultan received a slap in the face, they can again run to the Uss with a request to give them a front - it doesn’t matter where, in Syria or Kurdistan, but they can in East Azerbaijan (when they understand how much the Sultan it’s bad and how big a tooth Americans have grown on it!).

[Paranoid50]

Quote: hydrox

again they can run to us with a request to give them a front

They can no longer, for they are convinced that the kidalovo will come at any moment. And yes, the events of last week with the shooting of mattresses at the Kurds clearly did not add to them faith in the striped friendship.

[hydrox]

Quote: Paranoid50

They can’t, for they are convinced:

Well, then I don’t know at all what they will do; after all, over the past two years, Americans threw them five times (if not more) :: that’s where their brains work, if each subsequent action for the Kurds only reduces the possibility of maneuver and getting help (such a static zug-zwang) ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: hydrox

what will they do;

Well, at this stage, it’s theirs, Kurds’s problems only. And brains - yes, it’s time to turn them on.

[Grits]

It is clear that none of the well-fed and well-groomed Europeans and Americans want to exchange their villa and warm office in Kentucky for a basement in a dilapidated house or a canvas tent in a Polish swamp in order to protect some Turk with his bearded, unwashed and smelly Arab friend. No German burgher would agree to exchange a mug of foamy beer and greasy sausages in a cozy pub in the center of Munich for a bowl of sticky porridge and dark burda in a tin mug in the trenches of the eastern front near Kaliningrad or Kars to protect the Turk. So let the Turks continue to believe in the friendship and military assistance of NATO ...

[voyaka uh]

"none of the well-fed and well-groomed Europeans and Americans" ///
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Western armies are contracted.
Well-fed and well-groomed do not sign contracts in the army. And those who sign, they know what they are going to.
I saw in the fall in southern England how English special forces train in the English Channel in cold water. Into the water - running along the coast - again into the water ... endlessly.
These will go to war anywhere.

[Grits]

Quote: voyaka uh

Western armies are contracted.
Well-fed and well-groomed do not sign contracts in the army. And those who sign, they know what they are going to.
I saw in the fall in southern England how English special forces train in the English Channel in cold water. Into the water - running along the coast - again into the water ... endlessly.
These will go to war anywhere.

You simply miss their mind that the NATO war with Russia a priori very quickly turns into a nuclear one. And then already well-fed burgers on caramels will climb into dirty half-timbers, and yesterday’s hastily mobilized hipsters will freeze in dilapidated trenches. Rejoicing at a piece of fat in a mint pot with porridge.
And by the way, the English special forces by that time will already be floating corpses in the cold sea in southern England. Since they will fly first.

[voyaka uh]

"You just lose sight of them that the NATO war with Russia a priori very quickly turns into a nuclear one" ///
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What does Russia have to do with it?
The article is about Turkey. And about whether NATO will help her. If ordered, there will be those who will go to help. They will not order - they will not go.

[Grits]

Quote: voyaka uh

What does Russia have to do with it? belay
The article is about Turkey. And about whether NATO will help her.

That’s the whole trick - NATO could only intervene if Russia butted Turkey. If Russia is not at war, then why do Turks support NATO? They will roll Syria without NATO.

[Bully]

I can hardly imagine that a prosperous USA, being across the ocean, would start to mock with the Russian Federation and nuclear weapons from the Turks. Those for them are all the same second-class people, for religious, racial, cultural and other reasons. Turks were accepted into NATO solely because of their favorable geographical position, and they wouldn’t have fallen to anyone. I suspect that the states will hand over European NATO members in the event of a serious kneading with the Russian Federation.

[3danimal]

Question: where will our fellow citizens be at this time? In Paradise? Because nothing will prevent the British SSBN from firing back.
It seems that many argue, as in that joke "... But what for me then? .."

[Grits]

Quote: 3danimal

Question: where will our fellow citizens be at this time? In Paradise? Because nothing will prevent the British SSBN from firing back.

Our citizens will be in the same place as the citizens of America and NATO countries. Someone in the trenches, someone in the basement, someone in the cemetery (if you're lucky). The only difference is that ours will be in paradise, and they will simply die ...
(I didn’t say that).

[3danimal]

So are you a religious romantic?
But how to think about avoiding such a scenario? Do you have a family?

[pipetro]

Quote: voyaka uh

I saw in the fall in southern England how English special forces train in the English Channel in cold water. Into the water - running along the coast - again into the water ... endlessly.
These will go to war anywhere.

I also had fun recently, at first skiing with a heavy wind and cold in light clothing, and then pouring water on the street (I do not recommend it to anyone), but this does not mean that I am Rambo and the Terminator in one person and I’ll go to fight anywhere. It has nothing to do with it at all, I tell you exactly.

[voyaka uh]

It is commendable that you are so tempered. I respect
But those guys volunteered for the special forces. And they train not for their pleasure. And they know that they WILL EXACTLY be sent to some hot spot.
Therefore, talk about the lazy and well-fed is not true. As in the Russian army there are similar guys, so in the American, English, German.

[pipetro]

Quote: voyaka uh

It is commendable that you are so tempered. I respect

Yes, there is nothing to respect, it is rather stupid. Because if you freeze the kidneys, then you will rest for a month later. Not to mention if all this is in the conditions of hostilities.
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Special forces in any country know how to fight, only they rarely take fools into it. And these guys to certain death, too, will not always be sent. In a real war with a serious adversary, special forces have very few advantages over regular soldiers from the regular army.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: pipetro

Yes, there is nothing to respect, it is rather stupid.

Exactly. I, it was the case, grabbed two outfits for show-offs with water procedures - and this was still a company man in a good mood.

[3danimal]

That's right, it turns out a little better prepared infantry.

[3danimal]

This is a consequence of propaganda on TV, IMHO. A typical stamp about "well-fed residents of developed countries", in which the army should be well-fed and lazy. Forget that these armies (fleet, air force) are NOT draft

[Wolf]

They will go before the first bloody battle, then they will start thinking!

[Wolf]

Wojaka, you are very astray!

[Wolf]

In addition, most of the warriors of Rome were GLAVES IN THE PLACE WITH GENERALS, which the Romans began to use with brain firmware!

[Oquzyurd]

I did not know that capital letters mean greater greatness and greater knowledge of this greatness

[Wolf]

More Letter because there are no black thick letters on the phone. History and Chronicle are different. The history of the Mirage Chronicles is much more interesting than the lazy history. In addition, nothing can be learned from history. Annals can be taught a lot!

[Oquzyurd]

I thought that in Russian nobody would write worse than me, it turns out there are

[Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: Wolf

In addition, nothing can be learned from history. Annals can be taught a lot!

Controversial moment. After all, the chronicle was written often by interested people ... Sometimes mistakes were made in the Chronicle.

[dzvero]

Spetsnaz will do, but there is a special conversation about it. "Simple" contract infantry ... will also go, there is nowhere to go, but what kind of combat stability it will have if something goes wrong is the main question.

[3danimal]

Sustainability is a term from shipbuilding :)
Stability is sufficient. Some are trained to conduct a combined arms battle, while others are trained to act in isolation from the main forces (therefore, increased requirements).
Not hipsters are enlisted in the army.

[Tank hard]

Quote: voyaka uh

These will go to war anywhere

Any mercenary fights only until a certain point. Do not buy a new life ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: voyaka uh

I saw in the fall in southern England,

And again the jet goes into the void. Here are the keywords: "autumn" and "southern". Have you ever seen anything on Kola in winter? Oh yes, what am I ...

Quote: voyaka uh

These will go to war anywhere.

[Bomb]

It’s not difficult to find 50-100 thousand biomass for slaughter by the local scumbags. You don’t have to go far for an example - right at your side is the LPR, DPR.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Gritsa

It’s clear that none of the well-fed and well-groomed Europeans and Americans want to exchange their villa and warm office in Kentucky for a basement in a dilapidated house or a canvas tent in a Polish swamp in order to protect some Turk with his bearded, unwashed and smelly Arab friend.

And who, dear ones, will they ask?

A vacation in a foreign land
Uncle Sam does the best he can

There, in the last Iraqi quarter of a million puzanov Citizen-Soldiers and Citizen-Airmen from the National Guard pulled from their homes and sent over the sea-Akiyan.
By the way, NG Kentucky also participated in this.

NY Kentucky 223rd Military Police Company Camp Camp Liberty, Iraq.

[Vladimir_2U]

Well, just like a dog who barked at the postman through the gate, and then suddenly the gate (for the dog) was opened ...

[Thrifty]

Most importantly, this is the result of the meeting in the Kremlin! And in the NATO bloc they can say whatever they want, but decisions on actions are taken personally in the USA. So, "Trump will order -" there will be fools "- to paraphrase a well-known truth ...

[Bagatur]

The Turks themselves are bogged down in the Syrian swamp! Nobody invited them there, attacked even less! Let them drown themselves ...

[Oquzyurd]

"This was reported to the TASS news agency by a source working in the diplomatic mission of one of the Alliance states in Brussels." "Another source of TASS from among the NATO military believes" Sorry, the "clarity and clarity" of these sources is striking. Maybe the "source" works as a janitor in the deep pre, and another tanker or infantryman in NATO. How will the reader understand this?

[Lamata]

Even Europeans will harness for the Turks, and nobody canceled the historical memory.

[Ros 56]

No one was going to NATO and will not help anyone, despite any fifth article. The office is now imprisoned according to the plan of the stripes to knock out money from their allies to implement their plans and purchase weapons from the striped defense industry. That is, in essence, payment of striped ambitions. And these burdocks hung their ears and protruded pockets.

[Xenofont]

Here is the latest database maps: Aleppo’s front has been famously leveled!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Xenofont

Here is the latest database maps: Aleppo’s front has been famously leveled!

Yeah ... and at the bottom right is the traditional cry that evil Russian fighters are attacking civilian rabies cars.

[Paul Siebert]

NATO "heroes" will not go to Syria for Erdogan's sake.
Some of them, even for the sake of the United States, did not climb into Iraq in 2003.
Because - one life. And for the sake of the Ottomans no one wants to lose her ...

[rocket757]

They reminded the Turks and said that they themselves .....

[cniza]

Everything will depend on how quickly Assad will complete the operation, if it drags on then the United States will begin to quietly help.

[Tank jacket]

Pruvet from trump Erdogan. The liberal model has outlived itself (s).

[cniza]

There, a small official answered him, but this does not mean that the United States itself can get involved, not like NATO ...

[Tank jacket]

Victor, , the petty official was allowed to voice. This is more humiliating for Erdogan to know his place. The dry answer of the bank clerk is “you are denied a loan”

[cniza]

Yeah, they showed where he should be ...

[cniza]

He explains this by saying that Turkish soldiers died during a military operation on foreign territory, therefore it does not fall under the scope of Article 5 of the NATO Charter.

Briefly and clearly - in a foreign territory ...

[Vasyan1971]

He explains this by saying that Turkish soldiers died during a military operation on foreign territory, therefore it does not fall under the scope of Article 5 of the NATO Charter.

Lovely! Keyword - ALIEN TERRITORY. It turns out that Turkey is an aggressor! Drive with a dirty rag!

[cniza]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Drive with a dirty rag!

Which is carried out ...

[Chingachguk]

These are the times .... and the Turk so hoped !!!!! He urgently needs to look for someone to lie down now to help steer the situation! And so belligerently declared all crap! And our diplomat was already frightened, and mountains of Russian skulls were already promised! Well, directly fear is gosopen! What about now?

[Astra55]

Just Erdogan once again thrown.

[tolmachiev51]

- "Turkish servicemen were killed during a military operation on foreign territory, so it does not fall under the 5th article of the NATO Charter" - you got involved yourself and take care of it.

[Livonetc]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Yes, of course, Napoleon is the main NATO member
Frightened by the Ottomans who took Constantinople in 1453, Europeans searched for new lands, found America in 1492. Europe never ruled over Turks, and Turks ruled over half of Europe for 400 years. Who tells toilet paper, the story tells.

Respected.
The Ottoman Empire fell in the first half of the 20th century.
Are you hoping for her recovery?
The Republic of Turkey is still a capable state.
However, now you have a precarious state of domestic politics.
Yes, and with foreign policy problems.
You urgently need to change something.
Or are you a supporter of the further Islamization of Turkey, with the rejection of the legacy of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk?