US authorities want to ban the supply of aircraft engines for C919 airliners in China: “They can copy”

In China, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal published in the US that the US administration was preparing to introduce restrictive measures against the Chinese aircraft industry was outraged. The materials of the American media, citing sources in the administration of President Trump, said that Washington intends to ban General Electric Corporation from exporting LEAP-1C aircraft engines to China.

Newspapers report that the US administration fears the technology of these aviation power plants can be copied for their further implementation by Chinese companies.

If the supply of these engines to China is blocked, then the program will endanger the civilian airliner C919, the start of full operation of which the Chinese company Comac has planned for 2021. C919 aircraft are assembled in China with LEAP-1C engines developed by GE and Safran. GE previously licensed Chinese manufacturers to operate these power plants on the latest airliners.

From material in the American media:

If the Chinese copy the technology for creating these aircraft engines, this will lead to huge financial losses for General Electric.

The Chinese media note that this is another intervention by US authorities in trade relations between companies.

Aviation Expert Wang Yanyan for the Global Times:

If the United States introduces this ban, the development of our civil aviation will slow down significantly. But even if the United States does not sell us an aircraft engine, this does not mean that our new aircraft will not have a suitable engine. It will be a matter of time. We will look for an alternative: in the UK, France, Russia. Ultimately, the US embargo will not make the United States a winner.

Comments

[carstorm 11]

and then the states raised a duty on European aircraft. Europeans are apparently also very pleased with such actions of the states in the field of competition.

[cost]

US authorities want to ban the supply of aircraft engines for C919 airliners in China: “They can copy”

These can. Do not go to the fortuneteller

[Tatyana]

Quote: Rich

US authorities want to ban the supply of aircraft engines for C919 airliners in China: “They can copy”

These can. Do not go to the fortuneteller

And at the same time, the Chinese, just in case, will copy aircraft engines for aircraft from manufacturers of other countries.
I have no doubt about that.

[Chervonny]

The Chinese are quick to copy.

aircraft engines LEAP-1C

China will purchase them through third parties, copy and arrange their release.

[knn54]

China and joint ventures are incompatible things.

[svp67]

Quote: knn54

China and joint ventures are incompatible things.

And how "compatible" ... joint ventures, at first, quickly produce "offspring" in China ...

[K-612-O]

Well, I do not. With our ALKs, moreover, already 15 years old, it does not grow together. Aircraft engine is primarily technology, not detail. You can find out the composition of the materials, but to learn how to produce it is another matter.

[mvg]

With our ALKs, moreover, already 15 years old, it does not grow together

Someone’s? AL-31 F1 is WS-10A / B, A is WS-15 and more RD-33 variants
Yes, and on the J-20 are already their engines.
And with the C919, I thought France was standing there, we need to check. And what can we offer them? PD-14, so it is also barely ready, the MS-21 is not yet in operation. And there is nothing else.
PS: They bought Motor Sich, maybe there is something there. Neither Rolls Royce, nor Sneckma will be sold to them, the United States is tough on terms and conditions, and soon Maid in South Korea will buy electronics.

[Kurare]

Quote: mvg

And what can we offer them? PD-14, so it is also barely ready, the MS-21 is not yet in operation. And there is nothing else.

Yes, the fact of the matter is that there is no more, but there is no less either. Everyone understands that talking about "copying" engines is complete nonsense. And who cares about it, because the goal is the same - sanctions. And, as the example with SP-2 showed, the Americans are able to stop the same Europeans from supplying services / products to the country on which the sanctions were imposed.

So, while the Chinese do not have their own engine, the only possible option if they do not want to be left without engines is PD14.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Exactly! If there were no applicants, and so - all the time and not just in the aircraft industry.

[Starover_Z]

US authorities want to ban the supply of aircraft engines for C919 airliners in China: “They can copy”

And who taught the Chinese to copy? The Americans didn’t get anything from Soviet developments, didn’t study or copy anything, adapting to their needs ?!

[hydrox]

Well, they will copy it — we have already passed it: we have a resource at stage 1 500 - the Chinese have 350: and then the resource is dialed proportionally, but with a lag: we have 4000 hours, the Chinese do not reach 1500

[bessmertniy]

The Americans are trying to slow down their competitors. Probably the effect is that Boeing is losing orders.

[carstorm 11]

there, in addition to aircraft, some goods were raised by more than 7 yards of American presidents. Well, Trump, as usual, spoke out, the EU for many years "bad attitude to the United States")))))))

[svp67]

Quote: carstorm 11

and then the states raised the duty on European planes

But what to do ... "Boeing" cannot get out of the "financial peak", it must "substitute a wing" so that it would not die at all.
But this problem - the ability of Americans to impose sanctions to slow down the development of various industries and areas of other countries, the article is well shown. And they work not only against Russia

[Wedmak]

The United States is moving out of the coils - to ban here, stop there, kill that one, overthrow it ... Does it smell like kerosene, does the throne float away?

[hydrox]

Quote: Wedmak

Does it smell like kerosene, is the throne floating away?

Until it swims away, but is swaying menacingly

[orionvitt]

Quote: Wedmak

Does it smell like kerosene, is the throne floating away?

Well, not all the same, the carnival is for the cat.

[Mountain shooter]

Chance ... Our engine operators may have a market! Much larger than the domestic market of our UAC ...
At one time, the supply of "military" engines to China saved Salyut ...

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Chance ... Our engine operators may have a market! Much larger than the domestic market of our UAC ...
At one time, the supply of "military" engines to China saved Salyut ...

Maybe the Chinese will buy a certain number of engines from us, and then they will copy and do their own :)

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

Maybe the Chinese will buy a certain number of engines from us, and then they will copy and do their own :)

Well, they even have a license for AL-31 engines. And they continue to buy engines from us. True, they do not advertise this much. Salyut ships and ships ... Chinese for some reason, the resource is much less ...

[K-612-O]

They do not have a license for 31 (no one in their right mind would do this and would not go anywhere in the world). There they are trying to copy, but technology fails. On their copies, the resource is scanty.

[mvg]

scanty resource

The same is not entirely true. Yes, just recently it was 300 overhaul hours against our 3000/4000, but it was brought up to 1500. And this is not the latest data. At Rafal he is 8000, this is what I remember from the numbers. So we are not far ahead of the rest. Rolls and Gee are definitely no less.
They are two years old and that’s all ... Tanks haven’t been bought for a long time. They mastered everything.
They have radars with AFAR, also for a long time.

[Hartakolo12]

Tama ordered 1000+ c919. These are 2000+ engines. If you sell PD 14 China, you can cut down the dough well

[mvg]

If you sell PD 14

Yes, understand that there will not be 2000+, if only because the PD-14 is not flying yet. They are testing on IL-76, the second engine. This is the first civilian engine in Russia since 91. He has been tormented since 2008. China itself will soon be selling us engines.
There is a Boeing, Airbus, Embraer ... now China. And we have SSJ for 52 percent of imports. Europe simply will not license it (PD-14), and the MS-21 will fly inside Russia on J7 flights. In the amount of 50 pieces in 10 years.
In the heyday of the USSR, we had problems with licensing Tu-154, Yak-40, Il-86. X for all time released less than Boeing in one year. About a thousand Tu and less than a thousand Yak. And now a few pieces a year. And then transport.

[user1212]

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

and then they will copy and make their own :)

AL-31F can not be copied for more than 25 years

[orionvitt]

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

and then they will copy and make their own

With such sophisticated and high-tech products as modern aircraft engines, such numbers do not work.

[Ugolek]

So it is necessary to conduct business with the Chinese - they do not understand differently. And they can stick their indignation to hell, thieves do not have confidence.

[Ugolek]

Chance ... Our engine operators may have a market! Much bigger than the inside

What naivety .... And VAZ cars travel around China ..

[Zaurbek]

Let us first deal with MS21 ... and put on it a PD-14 and show real indicators and conclude the first contracts on it .... The Chinese do not sit either, the Ukrainians help them, they are busy with the turbojet engine to replace our D-30.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Zaurbek

Let us first deal with MS21 ... and put on it PD-14 and show real indicators and conclude the first contracts on it

So they put it already. And the PD-14 is suitable for the S-919 ... If the Americans tightly "grab" the Chinese with these engines, ban both the British and the French, there will be only one way out ...

[KCA]

Most likely it is our PD-90s on the S919 that are planned, the project is joint, but while the PD-90 is still in development, they wanted to put heavy-duty engines

[thinker]

Planned your engine - CJ-1000AX.

In total, more than 20 prototypes of such a motor will be created, the start of operation of which is planned after 2021.

And unlike expert Wang Yanyan, Sohu says it is very optimistic -

We can say that even if the Trump administration really orders to ban the export of engines, this will be a short-term pain for China, but it may be a long-term pain for the United States... I wish the C919 passenger aircraft to be equipped with a domestic engine as soon as possible

[KCA]

I’ve got it wrong in numbers, the S929 Chinese are developing with us and the engines are planning RR or GE, apparently, and for 929 they won’t deliver the engines, they will force the development of PD-35

[RVAPatriot]

Why then the Chinese do not copy the Russians ??? The bolt is not that ???

[Zaurbek]

What's the point? In China, a huge fleet of Boeings and Airbases .... fly on any turbojet engines ?!
Most likely, everything is commonplace, as with the MC21 - braking of the C919 program.

[mark1]

Quote: Zaurbek

Most likely, everything is commonplace, as with the MC21 - braking of the C919 program.

Moreover, the C919 is a much greater threat due to the potential scale of production. Here, Europe can take the US side.

[Zaurbek]

The scale is huge ....

[rocket757]

Everything is "normal", one could assume that the minke whales will protect their own at the very, most.

[Lamata]

That's all the WTO, free trade Free only for the FSA.

[Avior]

They can copy, if possible, of course.
But what they try is not to go to a fortuneteller ...

[letinant]

YES HELLO GLOBAL ECONOMY !!! The Americans hit China's weakest spot. With engines they have trouble. And our lesson, develop yours! Now the Chinese will either start looking for a replacement, or even more bend over the United States.

[Mathafaka]

The MS-21 also has American engines.

[Bumblebee_3]

Mathafaka (Nick Fury)
A huge minus for the MS-21! Tomorrow, the Americans will stop supplying engines or go up prices. MS - will stall.

[ultra]

The engines will be at the request of the customer. This year, the MC-21 will fly on PD-14 engines. The engine has already received a certificate of conformity.

[Prisoner]

They can’t, but they will copy it for sure. True guarantees that get one to one there are no. But, as they say, the image obliges.

[Mathafaka]

Oh my God. How so. In America, one bullshit and stock speculation. But China, he has the same production, industry, and in general he is forward.

[frolov andrey]

And what prevents the Chinese from buying the whole liner - and copy at least the engine, even the liner?)))

[Ptolemy Lag]

States well done! China is overwhelmed, stealing everything that is possible. And we don’t need to steal from us, we sell military technology, resources, and territory for a penny.

[turishev]

This is really bad for the Chinese. Now European engines need to be installed and this is to redesign the airframe.

[Hartakolo12]

Why European? Why not PD 14?

[ultra]

It seems that it’s not a matter of engines, but Boeing’s problems with medium-haul airplanes. China, with its aircraft and with American engines, may well grab a piece of the world market for such aircraft and this will be a piece of Boeing, not a watermelon.

[Maks1995]

Copy, copy ...
Already surpassed us and the sales of weapons, and the launches into space, and ....

5 years, and overtake the engines ....

[rotmistr60]

If the Americans (Trump) undertook to "fight" with China on the economic front, then what agreements were not reached at every opportunity and without it they will put pressure on the PRC.

[EnGenius]

It is necessary that the United States fry China with spurs and lashes as much as possible. So that they seriously realize that it’s impossible to simply copy from the USA. Then they will begin to interact more with other players and develop joint projects. It is clear that no one will offer them real projects besides Russia, and they themselves can develop as long as they like.

[Nitarius]

Well, what can I say .. it is not surprising from the United States to hear this)))

[mlad]

As soon as China decides to buy PD 14, the Americans will immediately lift the embargo

[Mentat]

Quote: mvg

They have radars with AFAR, also for a long time.

They have long been purchasing elements for the production of AFAR. There are only a few manufacturers in the world, China is not among them. Russia is included.

[lvov_aleksey]

Mlyn Russia is not afraid to sell engines, but I like the star-striped bench press, I like !!!

[shonsu]

Yes excuses all this. China already has several of these engines. Already the sixth flight sample collected. So this is just a setup for the Chinese. But on hand to us! I think that in any case, China will be interested in buying the PD-14.