F-15I fighters can replace F-35 in Israeli purchases


The Israeli leadership has revised its approaches to the IDF rearmament program. “Under the knife” already fell part of the military equipment that was planned to be purchased from the United States. The threat of defense sequestration looms over the most advanced US product - the F-35 fighter.


As the The Jerusalem Post, first of all, the military refused to purchase a squadron (12 - 14 units) of Boeing V-22 Osprey convertiplanes, although they indicate that there is a need for them. It is also currently being decided whether to replace heavy Boeing Chinook helicopters with Lockheed Martin CH-53K in its “procurement statement”. Finally, the most painful blow dealt to the American defense industry may consist in refusing to purchase a third F-35 squadron. It is possible that they will be "crowded out" by F-15I fighters.

The Air Force must also decide whether to purchase the third F-35 fighter squadron or the latest Boeing F-15I fighters

- writes The Jerusalem Post.

These perturbations look somewhat curious, given that the acquisition of this equipment is largely carried out using funds from a fund totaling $ 38 billion allocated by Washington in the form of military assistance to Tel Aviv for the next decade. It was from here that the purchase of two F-35 Adir squadrons was funded.

The Israeli leadership explains its decisions by cutting defense spending and the need to redistribute funds in the military budget to meet more urgent needs. For example, the IDF claims to be focused on the development of technologies designed to combat the cross-border tunnels that Hamas creates.


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  1. rotmistr60 17 February 2020 06: 25 New
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    The threat of defense sequestration looms over the most advanced US product - the F-35 fighter.
    And why is it suddenly? After all, for several years, visitors from Israel have been broadcasting about the best and most unstoppable aircraft. And then suddenly the army decided in its own way. And the main "partner" and the sponsor will understand such a reallocation of funds?
    1. Pessimist22 17 February 2020 06: 45 New
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      Invisible aircraft to bombard the Papuans smile
      In short, Jews realized after exploitation that the visible F15 is better than the invisible and expensive F35 smile
      1. krot 17 February 2020 07: 06 New
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        may consist of a refusal to purchase a third F-35 squadron. It is possible that they will be “crowded out” by F-15I fighters

        Most likely they realized that he is not so invisible and dear!
        1. Mountain shooter 17 February 2020 07: 33 New
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          Quote: krot

          Most likely they realized that he is not so invisible and dear

          More correctly, not as invisible as dear ... wassat
          1. Shurik70 17 February 2020 13: 25 New
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            Quote: rotmistr60
            And why is it suddenly?

            Result of the purchase by Erdogan S-400
      2. Winnie76 17 February 2020 08: 35 New
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        Quote: Pessimist22
        In short, Jews realized after exploitation that the visible F15 is better than the invisible and expensive F35

        And I liked the topic of how the F-35 orders spare parts for itself. That's where there is scope for creativity. God forbid, automakers will adopt
        1. voyaka uh 17 February 2020 11: 40 New
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          "God forbid automakers will be adopted" ///
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          They will. Called: forecast. F-35 - the first. But such systems will apply to all aviation, and then to cars.
          1. sharp-lad 17 February 2020 23: 00 New
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            The dream of any capitalist! Automatically peeling a sucker! laughing
            1. voyaka uh 17 February 2020 23: 03 New
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              Suckers - those who wait until the part breaks, and then wait
              until the spare part arrives.
              And smart people order spare parts in advance and change to failure.
              1. sharp-lad 17 February 2020 23: 37 New
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                For a normal supply and maintenance system, this is not a problem, but if specialists cannot distinguish one part from another on the equipment being serviced, then yes, there is simply no way without automatic logistics! There are service regulations and terms and resource of parts and devices. They don’t even sell sophisticated equipment without spare parts !, not like they don’t!
                I thought that Israel has a technically competent service staff in abundance and there is simply no need for an unnecessary lotion for several million green papers! belay
              2. ROSS_51 18 February 2020 07: 40 New
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                Quote: voyaka uh
                Suckers - those who wait until the part breaks, and then wait
                until the spare part arrives.
                And smart people order spare parts in advance and change to failure.

                You are now talking about the rich.
      3. Sgan 17 February 2020 09: 36 New
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        There is nothing new in the article. The Air Force has long been hesitant about what composition the next squadron should be. In favor of the latest F-15 modification, flight range and payload mass. And this squadron will be useful after the F-35 destroy enemy air defense. In any case, even if a decision is made to purchase the F-15 squadron, then the procurement of the F-35 will continue. So the dull song “F-35 wunderwaffle, flying penguin and cut the dough” will be very inappropriate. By the way, if someone does not know, the F-15 of the latest version is more expensive than the F-35
        1. PROXOR 17 February 2020 11: 05 New
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          Sure sure! damn blah blah!
        2. NEXUS 17 February 2020 12: 45 New
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          Quote: Sgan
          And this squadron will be useful after the F-35 destroy enemy air defense.

          What kind of air defense? If you are talking about air defense of the level of say Saudis, then it might be possible to destroy something. Well, if there is a layered air defense, where there will be complexes of the far arm and medium and small, and covering each other, then the F-35 will become very easy prey.
          1. PROXOR 17 February 2020 15: 45 New
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            Who are you trying to convince ?! Everything is not enough for kashers, they still gnash their teeth as they recall the Soviet air defense, which quickly put them in their place. There were losses on our part, and the composition of the Soviet anti-aircraft gunners was greatly reduced.
            The kasher ones have never gotten into fights with an equal opponent. Only set-ups can do and attack the tannery.
            1. Vitaly gusin 17 February 2020 23: 04 New
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              Quote: PROXOR
              as the Soviet air defense recalls, which quickly put them in their place.

              I didn’t remember something
              You, as Poles, all remember the turnover
              AND IF THE TRUTH IS:
              1982, one of the most impressive operations of the Air Force against air defense was carried out - Medvedka 19. Within 2 hours on June 9, 14 of the 19 batteries of an air defense system in the Bek Valley, the so-called. Fed anti-aircraft missile group, created in the framework of a bilateral agreement between the USSR and the SAR on military cooperation in 1980.
              It destroyed 25 batteries of air defense systems and 80 Syrian aircraft trying to cover ground forces. The Syrian air defense system in Lebanon was almost completely destroyed.
              There were hundreds of Soviet military advisers in the Syrian air defense group, of course, also Soviet technology. In general, the armed forces of Israel were at a higher level, both technically and conceptually.
              Why, Soviet experts, did not help the Syrians achieve a reaction equal to that which the Israelis reached? All receivers of the Syrian complexes were suppressed by very high density interference in the entire frequency range. And in order to fight them, it was necessary to weaken their power at least 20-30 times.
              Unfortunately, the Syrians did not have such opportunities, nor did we. At that time, radio-electronic reconnaissance and interference equipment of the ATS aircraft could not provide for violation of command and control of the enemy’s troops, or even minimal protection for their aircraft, anti-aircraft missile systems and their other air defense forces and forces for only one reason - a limited frequency suppression range. "
              Bulletin of air defense. 1991, No. 4.
              At that time, we still did not shout.
              1. NEXUS 18 February 2020 02: 57 New
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                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                You, as Poles, all remember the turnover

                Why don’t you all remember, dear Jew? Or refresh your memory? Firstly, the BEKA valley is located behind the ridge, and Soviet advisers strongly advised the Syrians not to get into a fight, since the MG-21s were already obsolete and needed central control from the ground, which was problematic. In addition, the new mattresses were installed for you. 15A and F-16A, plus your KFIRS-2 ... They beat the Syrians ... yeah ...
                In this case, you hawkai hung in the air.
                And now I refresh your selective memory ...
                In 1981, the USSR supplied Syria with thirty more advanced and powerful MiG-23 fighters and ground-based air defense systems. In April of this year, Syria introduced to Lebanon an anti-aircraft missile brigade and a regiment, two radio engineering battalions, two electronic warfare battalions and means of their cover. In an attempt to “make a mistake” again and drop bombs on the positions of the Syrian troops, the Israeli Air Force did not count three bombers.

                And then, in the 83rd year, what happened?
                In January 1983, transports with Soviet combat line units arrived in the Syrian port of Tartus. Among them are two anti-aircraft missile regiments of air defense equipped with S-200 long-range air defense systems. One of them is located near the city of Homs, covering the northwest of Syria from air strikes. The second is located 30 kilometers south of Damascus. The unfolding battle order of the Soviet 220th ZRP covered the capital's oasis. By order of the President of Syria, the regiment launched one rocket and shot down over the Mediterranean Sea, at a distance of 196 km, the Israeli Hawkai air command post.

                That is, when the S-200 was transferred, you Jews did something about it then ... by the way, you couldn’t call the Syrian air defense in the 70s from the word at all. At the same time, you had a numerical and qualitative advantage in fighters ...
                And now the outcome of that war? The Syrians washed you and your American masters, as you and the United States drifted to hit specifically at Soviet targets in Syria.
                He remembered Bekuu ... how many of your tanks were burned there? Can you recall the bassoons?
                1. Vitaly gusin 18 February 2020 11: 30 New
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                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Why don’t you all remember, dear Jew?

                  In a decent team or society, cultural people turn to each other by name, adding Mr. / Mrs, by name and patronymic, but not by nationality.
                  Nationality was of primary importance in Nazi Germany and at point 5 from 1950 to 1992. Today is another time, but the seeds germinate. Yes, I am Jewish and proud of it. our people gave the world great scientists and cultural figures and built their Jewish state. Israel, from which your compatriots, more than 40000 people in 2019, for the first time in the history of the state of Israel, sought political asylum, but not one of them received it.
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  And now I refresh your selective memory ...

                  There was 1941, there was a Brest Fortress, there was Leningrad, there was Stalingrad but there was 1945 and the Reichstag with the Red Banner, there was Koenigsberg, Kaliningrad became, South Sakhalin and the South Kuril Islands belonged to Japan, and passed to the USSR.
                  And I also remember 1948, 1967, 1973, 1983, when the Arab states, with military and political support of your former country, tried to destroy the state of Israel and I remember how it ended, TOTALLY DESTROYED
                  Part of the technique thrown on the battlefield, is in the museum, you can find:
                  https://vladrink.livejournal.com/76634.html
                  The Sinai Peninsula passed to Israel, (returned in exchange for peace). Israel annexed the Golan Heights as Syria did not want and does not want peace.
                  I hope that my memory satisfied you.
                  1. Vitaly gusin 18 February 2020 13: 35 New
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                    Typo
                    4000 people
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          2. voyaka uh 17 February 2020 23: 47 New
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            "Well, if there is a layered air defense, where there will be complexes of the far arm and medium and small, and covering each other" ////
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            All of these complexes — at least some hands — have missiles moving toward the target with
            centimeter range radars. wink
            1. PROXOR 18 February 2020 11: 14 New
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              Quote: voyaka uh
              All of these complexes — at least some hands — have missiles moving toward the target with
              centimeter range radars.

              Oh how to lie is not beautiful !!!!!
      4. PROXOR 17 February 2020 11: 03 New
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        Invisible need to be quoted.
    2. Aaron Zawi 17 February 2020 08: 36 New
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      Already 5 times it has been discussed over the past half year. request
      Well talk again. hi
      1. Voyager 17 February 2020 09: 36 New
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        For the first time I see this news, surprised.
        1. Aaron Zawi 17 February 2020 09: 38 New
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          Quote: Voyager
          For the first time I see this news, surprised.

          Why be surprised? Our F-35 is purchased to replace the F-16. The F-15 has a completely different niche. So the question arose about the purchase of another squadron while they are being issued. With the F-35, there’s nowhere to rush. They will be released another 15 years.
          1. Voyager 17 February 2020 09: 45 New
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            What is surprising to me is not what is connected with the F-35, but that, on the whole, similar movements occur with the redistribution of funds. So, we came to the conclusion that everything is far from the optimal values ​​in the request / cost.
            1. SovAr238A 17 February 2020 20: 32 New
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              It’s just that the Knesset isn’t working for them. So they can not ratify the purchase. And that’s all ...
          2. Sanichsan 17 February 2020 17: 25 New
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            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            The F-15 has a completely different niche.

            Hello hi
            I would like to clarify, that is, an error in the article? from the F-35 simply refuse, and not replace them in the state order of the F-15?
    3. voyaka uh 17 February 2020 11: 14 New
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      F-35 is really the best of what is for sale now. But Israel’s F-15 park is very old. It’s time to write off many planes. A squadron of heavy modern fighters is needed. And to intercept, and to deliver especially heavy bombs.
      The choice is this: after receiving 50 F-35, what to buy next? Or the next batch of F-35 (25 pieces), or 25 pieces of F-15.
      1. Voyager 17 February 2020 14: 21 New
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        What are you betting on, Alex? drinks
        1. voyaka uh 17 February 2020 14: 49 New
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          When Israel has 50 F-35s, it can be considered that there is a basis for new air forces.
          Therefore, AFTER THIS, I am for 25 F-15 to write off junk. And then continue to update the single-engine fleet, replace the F-16 with the F-35. Instead of 200 F-16 there will be 100 F-35, which is equivalent.
      2. MMX
        MMX 17 February 2020 17: 20 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        F-35 is really the best of what is for sale now. But Israel’s F-15 park is very old. It’s time to write off many planes. A squadron of heavy modern fighters is needed. And to intercept, and to deliver especially heavy bombs.
        The choice is this: after receiving 50 F-35, what to buy next? Or the next batch of F-35 (25 pieces), or 25 pieces of F-15.


        Strange, F-15 4th generation fighter. You yourself said that this (4th generation) is an obsolete weapon and that who is more likely to switch to the 5th will get an advantage. And then all of a sudden: “modern” F-15s ... We must take ... Wonderful.
        1. voyaka uh 17 February 2020 17: 24 New
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          I advise you to read your opponent’s posts before writing an answer.
          I clearly wrote:
          "A squadron of heavy modern fighters is needed. Both for intercepts and for delivering particularly HEAVY bombs."
          F-35 - a light fighter-bomber. Replacing F-16.
          1. MMX
            MMX 17 February 2020 17: 35 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            I advise you to read your opponent’s posts before writing an answer.
            I clearly wrote:
            "A squadron of heavy modern fighters is needed. Both for intercepts and for delivering particularly HEAVY bombs."
            F-35 - a light fighter-bomber. Replacing F-16.


            And I tell you about the generation of fighters. It is not difficult to find F-35 odes on this resource and there is just the main argument: the 5th generation is better than the 4th.
            The F-35 is light, but the F-15 is heavy and are they in different niches? Then the question arises - can this 5th generation fight without the 4th? If the article is correct, then in Israel they answered - no, it can’t.
            Marketing...
            1. voyaka uh 17 February 2020 17: 52 New
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              "can this 5th generation fight without the 4th?" ////
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              Rather, the opposite. 4th cannot do without the 5th.
              There are two 5th generation heavy fighters on the market: F-22 and J-20. And the Su-57 in prototypes. They surpass the entire 4th generation.
              Israel cannot, for various reasons, buy either the first or the second. Therefore, he buys a heavy 4th-generation fighter.
              1. MMX
                MMX 17 February 2020 18: 04 New
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                "can this 5th generation fight without the 4th?" ////
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                Rather, the opposite. 4th cannot do without the 5th.
                There are two 5th generation heavy fighters on the market: F-22 and J-20. And the Su-57 in prototypes. They surpass the entire 4th generation.
                Israel cannot, for various reasons, buy either the first or the second. Therefore, he buys a heavy 4th-generation fighter.


                Then it is difficult to fully name the F-35 fifth generation. Product Marketing.
                1. voyaka uh 17 February 2020 18: 10 New
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                  As you please fellow
                  F-35 - not an interceptor.
                  And not a fighter of gaining dominance in the air. It was not designed for these tasks. But he copes with his tasks perfectly.
    4. TermNachTer 17 February 2020 20: 27 New
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      Wah, how interesting, listen, yes. Yesterday, they advertised in all corners, F - 35, as the best airplane of all time and here and there is such an affront. They want an old airplane, 4th generation, at a price more expensive than the 5th.
  2. bessmertniy 17 February 2020 06: 27 New
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    An interesting paradox is that the funds of the American fund for arming Israel, Israel can redistribute at its discretion. belay
    1. KCA
      KCA 17 February 2020 06: 39 New
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      Well, we all saw the influence of Trump on the daughter - the daughter cried, dad didn’t bathe a hundred Toporov released in an independent country, and the husband, Donald’s son-in-law, and each congressman and senator had such "son-in-law" as a shoe polisher in the shoe polish factory
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        And, it is clear that all these daughters and sons, tramp and senators, are the pro-Israeli lobby, which is permissible to cut the US budget in favor of Israel. what
      2. TermNachTer 17 February 2020 20: 28 New
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        Trump's son-in-law is the very last person in New York Hubbad.
    2. Pandiurin 17 February 2020 06: 58 New
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      "Israel may redistribute at its discretion."

      Well, all the same, they buy striped weapons

      For the first stealth strike, two parties are enough for them.
      And they successfully entered the program, because there you can sell not only gold planes but also gold weapons.
      They will make air-to-surface missiles planning ammunition - they will earn a bunch of dough.
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      like only 25%.
  3. Jack O'Neill 17 February 2020 06: 46 New
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    The threat of defense sequestration looms over the most advanced US product - F-35 fighter

    In what place is it hanging? Jews about Lightning said something?
    And what's the point of taking a drummer instead of a multi-functional fighter?
    Do not wishful thinking.

    These perturbations look somewhat curious, given that the acquisition of this equipment is largely carried out using funds from a fund totaling $ 38 billion allocated by Washington in the form of military assistance to Tel Aviv for the next decade. It was from here that the purchase of two F-35 Adir squadrons was funded.

    Do not mislead people. Write as if Israel refused Lightning, which was not there.
    1. Eugene-Eugene 17 February 2020 06: 50 New
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      The IAF is also set to decide between purchasing a third squadron of F-35 jets or Boeing's latest F-15I.

      https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Its-official-Israel-wont-be-purchasing-Boeings-V-22-617510#/
      1. Jack O'Neill 17 February 2020 07: 32 New
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        In the original, everything is completely different.
        In original:

        As part of the new procurements funded in large part by the Memorandum of Understanding signed between Jerusalem and Washington, which would see Israel receive $ 38 billion in military assistance over the next decade, Israel has purchased two squadrons of F-35 Adir stealth fighters and is currently deciding between Boeing's Chinook or Lockheed Martin's CH-53K heavy-lift helicopters.

        Strange, but nothing about the fact that Israel calls into question the purchase of Lightnings.

        The IAF is also set to decide between purchasing a third squadron of F-35 jets or Boeing's latest F-15I.

        Oh, what is this? Is it really about the fact that the IAF must decide on the purchase of the 3rd Lightning squadron or the latest F-15I?

        As part of the IDF's new multiyear plan, it will be closing one squadron of fighter jets in the coming year. It also aims to open another advanced IAF squadron of F-15 or F-35 fighter jets.

        One squadron is closed, and the other is opened.

        Those. There’s nothing about replacing Lightnings with Strike Needles. Just Jpost's suggestion that Israel will have to make a choice, either to take the 3rd Lightning squadron, or to create the latest Strike Needles.
        You substitute concepts with which you mislead people.
        1. Eugene-Eugene 17 February 2020 07: 42 New
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          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          You substitute concepts with which you mislead people

          F-15I fighters can replace F-35 in Israeli procurement
          We are not talking about a replacement in the army, but about a refusal to continue the rearmament of aircraft at Lightings. Isn’t the possibility of buying Eagles talking about this?
          1. Jack O'Neill 17 February 2020 08: 44 New
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            F-15I fighters can replace F-35 in Israeli purchases

            In theory, yes. In theory!
            What will be real is unknown.

            But you have the following in the article:
            These perturbations look somewhat curious, given that the acquisition of this equipment is largely carried out using funds from a fund totaling $ 38 billion allocated by Washington in the form of military assistance to Tel Aviv for the next decade. It was from here that the purchase of two F-35 Adir squadrons was funded.

            Those. - You have already decided that Israel refused Lightning.
          2. voyaka uh 17 February 2020 11: 44 New
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            "and on the refusal to continue the rearmament of aviation at Lightings" ///
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            Wrong. The point is the order of procurement.
            Previously, they planned to purchase 75 F-35s, and then 25 F-15s. Now they decided to insert a batch of F-15 after receiving 50 F-35.
            And then continue to purchase the F-35.
            Up to 100 TOTAL pieces.
      2. SovAr238A 17 February 2020 07: 34 New
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        Quote: Eugene-Eugene
        The IAF is also set to decide between purchasing a third squadron of F-35 jets or Boeing's latest F-15I.

        https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Its-official-Israel-wont-be-purchasing-Boeings-V-22-617510#/


        Well?
        Israel is faced with the choice of what to buy first of all: 3 F-35i squadrons or the latest F-15i squadrons.
        But no refusal to purchase the F-35i at all.
        1. Eugene-Eugene 17 February 2020 07: 39 New
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          Quote: SovAr238A
          what should he buy first

          There isn’t such a thing, it’s about whether to take the 3rd Lightning squadron or choose the F-15i
          1. SovAr238A 17 February 2020 07: 44 New
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            Quote: Eugene-Eugene
            Quote: SovAr238A
            what should he buy first

            There isn’t such a thing, it’s about whether to take the 3rd Lightning squadron or choose the F-15i


            Read carefully.

            The IAF is also set to decide between purchasing a third squadron of F-35 jets or Boeing's latest F-15I.

            As part of the IDF's new multiyear plan, it will be closing one squadron of fighter jets in the coming year. It also aims to open another advanced IAF squadron of F-15 or F-35 fighter jets.

            This is a short term plan to choose first.
            1. Eugene-Eugene 17 February 2020 07: 53 New
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              We have one text before your eyes and it appears everywhere - F-15 or F-35. And nowhere is there any mention that then Israel will continue to purchase Lightings. And nowhere is there any insertion “first of all”. We are talking about specific purchases in connection with the formation of a new squadron.
    2. K-612-O 17 February 2020 07: 27 New
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      The F-15 is not a strike aircraft, but, first of all, a fighter for gaining air supremacy and in the current iteration it is one of the best in the world, despite the fact that it finally combined strike and fighter capabilities into one version with an increase in combat load.
      Boeing in this regard turned out to be smarter than Lockheed, with its underfighter.
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        Quote: K-612-O
        The F-15 is not a strike aircraft, but, first of all, a fighter for gaining air supremacy and in the current iteration it is one of the best in the world, despite the fact that it finally combined strike and fighter capabilities into one version with an increase in combat load.
        Boeing in this regard turned out to be smarter than Lockheed, with its underfighter.


        At last?

        When did the F-15E appear there?
        1. K-612-O 17 February 2020 08: 53 New
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          Strike Eagle and Eagle are two different cars, Eagle is a clean fighter, without sighting system. F-15X is just an improved modification of SE, in fact a competitor to our 35th
    3. orionvitt 17 February 2020 09: 14 New
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      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Do not wishful thinking

      Re-read the article, maybe you will understand something.
      Write as if Israel refused Lightning,
      I repeat, re-read the article. Israel did not refuse from the F-35 as such, but from further purchases thereof. That's all, ate futuristic, now they want "real food", which is really useful ..
      1. Jack O'Neill 17 February 2020 15: 13 New
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        Re-read the article, maybe you will understand something.

        Ooh, I re-read both the article on VO and the original. That is why he wrote that the author replaces concepts.

        “Under the knife” already fell part of the military equipment that was planned to be purchased from the United States. The threat of defense sequestration looms over the most advanced US product - the F-35 fighter.

        Finally, the most painful blow dealt to the American defense industry may consist in refusing to purchase a third F-35 squadron. It is possible that they will be “crowded out” by F-15I fighters.

        These perturbations look somewhat curious, given that the acquisition of this equipment is largely carried out using funds from a fund totaling $ 38 billion allocated by Washington in the form of military assistance to Tel Aviv for the next decade. It was from here that the purchase of two F-35 Adir squadrons was funded.

        I wonder what the author is hinting at? Not to see the subtext here, well, you have to try very hard!
  4. rocket757 17 February 2020 06: 51 New
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    F-15I fighters can replace F-35 in Israeli purchases

    The Israeli leadership has revised its approaches to the IDF rearmament program. “Under the knife” already fell part of the military equipment that was planned to be purchased from the United States. The threat of defense sequestration looms over the most advanced US product - the F-35 fighter.

    If this is true ??? That will turn out very cool!
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      It’s cool, and it’s not cool, they need work horses, not wunderwafes, as you know, “a boot in battle is more reliable than a tablet” hello, hi
      1. rocket757 17 February 2020 07: 55 New
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        Hello Roman soldier
        Many doubts "gnaw" however. Well, the best "penguin" may not be worthy to be in the best air forces in the BV ??? Just for the high cost of imperfection, no one speaks .... yet.
        However, let's see. Too many "news" now that are born do not understand where and are not related to reality.
  5. Pecheneg 17 February 2020 06: 57 New
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    The Israelis just do nothing, we don’t know many things and should not know, but I’m sure that they won’t save on security.
    1. orionvitt 17 February 2020 09: 22 New
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      Quote: Pecheneg
      they will not save on safety

      Buying expensive, it absolutely does not mean "save." Real savings, is to purchase more efficient. That's all, played enough with an expensive toy, and returned, so to speak, "from heaven to earth", in favor of the "old", "good" F-15, though modernized. "how did you breathe" (from an old joke) laughing
      1. borberd 17 February 2020 09: 37 New
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        They just thought that two F-35 squadrons are quite enough at the moment.
        1. orionvitt 17 February 2020 09: 59 New
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          Weak excuse. Considering which praises they sang to the F-35th. There is not much good, but such a turn. Something here is not clean. Although, that is not clean, everyone already knows. The combat effectiveness is in question, the price is high, the service is expensive and so on on the list.
          1. voyaka uh 17 February 2020 11: 48 New
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            In total, the IDF will be 100 F-35.
            This is a strategic plan, and it has not changed. But in the middle they decided to insert 25 F-15. Not instead, but in addition.
            Since the Israeli F-15 park is very old and they need to be discarded gradually.
  6. And why do you need 17 February 2020 06: 58 New
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    It only can already and not indirectly speak about the ability of the S-300 and S-400 air defense systems to detect "invisibility"
    1. 2 Level Advisor 17 February 2020 09: 42 New
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      S-300 and S-400 could always detect them, the question is only at what distance and in what projection .. It is not "invisible", but with reduced visibility .. There are no "invisible" aircraft
  7. Zaurbek 17 February 2020 07: 11 New
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    F-15EX or other new series, as if not more expensive than the F35I
    1. K-612-O 17 February 2020 07: 30 New
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      Its operating costs are much lower, and its flight characteristics will be better, and unlike the F-35, it is at least in service, and is not subject to endless improvements.
      1. Zaurbek 17 February 2020 07: 35 New
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        Moreover, Israel’s enemies with which the Stealth fighter would have been needed ..... Turkey only had
    2. orionvitt 17 February 2020 09: 24 New
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      F-15EX or other new series, as if not more expensive than the F35I
      But at times more effective. as they say, "The old horse will not spoil the furrow."
  8. Eugene-Eugene 17 February 2020 07: 13 New
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    Quote: bessmertniy
    Israel may redistribute at its discretion

    Garno to be a favorite kohan, thought next door.
    1. borberd 17 February 2020 08: 09 New
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      Why so clearly envy and count other people's money in someone else's pockets? The United States provides military assistance to dozens of countries, some more, some less. Egypt + Jordan receives military assistance almost as much as Israel. But for some reason, few people care, but when it comes to Israel, then all sorts of nonsense begins to be invented.
  9. Ratmir_Ryazan 17 February 2020 07: 27 New
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    Some kind of weak excuse about the refusal of the third iskadrilya F-35, especially considering that the United States themselves actually give the money to buy them.

    The USA finances the IDF at 3,8 billion dollars a year, which is 25% of Israel’s military budget.
  10. Thrifty 17 February 2020 07: 31 New
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    What is not thank God? Why, those who prayed on f35, suddenly decided now to spit in his direction? Obviously, forum users from Topvar are guilty wassat , they criticized him, that is, I, you all except the Israelis themselves actively had a hand in this! lol good
    1. SovAr238A 17 February 2020 07: 49 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      What is not thank God? Why, those who prayed on f35, suddenly decided now to spit in his direction? Obviously, forum users from Topvar are guilty wassat , they criticized him, that is, I, you all except the Israelis themselves actively had a hand in this! lol good


      Read the article for yourself.
      The author issued a short-term queue (what to do earlier in the morning: to wash or pee) - for the long-term perspective for the next 30 years ...
  11. Nick Russ 17 February 2020 07: 32 New
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    Apparently, a Jew under the nickname Krasnodar did not troll. Then respect laughing

    ,, Their pregnant ostrich penguins F-35s will not stand the maneuver battle with I-16 ,,
    1. Krasnodar 17 February 2020 09: 42 New
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      Shalom from the Kuban!
      Taki troll - F-35 is designed to break through the air defense, F-15 of the discussed version is a fighter for gaining air supremacy. Based on the current situation, the first to Israel is relevant, because with the Air Force of Iran and Syria, Israel will cope with what is.
  12. Dmitry Makarov 17 February 2020 07: 38 New
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    It’s a pity, it’s a pity, abandoning the F-35 in favor of the F-15 Israel is strengthening its defenses.
  13. Lamata 17 February 2020 07: 52 New
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    Jews pulled amers?
    1. orionvitt 17 February 2020 09: 33 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      Jews pulled amers?

      Well, it is clear that the Jews are literate, albeit cunningly made. But it’s okay, besides Israel who have already used F-35s in real sorties and understand what’s happening, the states still have a huge number of shaggy vassals where you can get an expensive toy. For example, such "monsters" as Poland, Norway, Belgium, and so on.
  14. bar
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    And these too. Even doesn’t take off at striped this F-35
  15. Zeev Zeev 17 February 2020 09: 10 New
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    The decision to carry out a wide modernization of the F-15I to the F-15IA level was made in 2018. As well as the decision to refuse the purchase of Osprey convertiplanes. Then they decided whether to refuse the purchase of the third F-35 squadron. Discussions about the choice between the CH-53 and the Chinook have been ongoing for six months, so far the preference is on the side of the CH-53 as a more familiar and well-developed machine in the army.
    In short, the article mixes old news with relatively new trends
  16. Ros 56 17 February 2020 09: 15 New
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    Why are you shouting at the whole world - yes I, yes we, but at Fu-35 the whole world is in ruin, but what happened, is there really not enough money? I thought for Israel have striped open credit without limits. What then do banderlogs do, in such a situation they are not considered partners at all? But what about the whole world? fellow lol
  17. Yrec 17 February 2020 09: 28 New
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    Quote: Pessimist22
    Invisible aircraft to bombard the Papuans smile
    In short, Jews realized after exploitation that the visible F15 is better than the invisible and expensive F35 smile

    Exactly, the "penguin" is the plane of the "clear sky". It is useless against the enemy with a modern, layered air defense / missile defense. And also its combat operation is unreasonably expensive. The Jew counted her shekels and wept.
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    2. Zeev Zeev 17 February 2020 10: 04 New
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      Hm. Yes, yes, a “clear-air plane”, “expensive to operate,” “useless against air defense systems” ... Continue to believe in it.
  18. Victor March 47 17 February 2020 09: 52 New
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    Quote: rotmistr60
    The threat of defense sequestration looms over the most advanced US product - the F-35 fighter.
    And why is it suddenly? After all, for several years, visitors from Israel have been broadcasting about the best and most unstoppable aircraft. And then suddenly the army decided in its own way. And the main "partner" and the sponsor will understand such a reallocation of funds?

    The question is rhetorical. Since Israel acquired the innovation for the loot, which is allocated as military assistance, of course, due to the rejection of the innovation, assistance will not be given.
  19. Victor March 47 17 February 2020 09: 54 New
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    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    In short, the article mixes old news with relatively new trends

    Is it bad or good? Are today's decisions independent of the past? Are they in any way connected with each other? Express your thoughts more clearly.
  20. gmb
    gmb 17 February 2020 09: 59 New
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    So many experts commented on the article, it just takes envy. It is a pity that the Israeli General Staff does not read this scattering of wisdom and knowledge.
  21. Yrec 17 February 2020 10: 29 New
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    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    Hm. Yes, yes, a “clear-air plane”, “expensive to operate,” “useless against air defense systems” ... Continue to believe in it.

    Well, you continue to believe the opposite. Faith strengthens wink
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    5-9 17 February 2020 10: 33 New
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    Israel has an unbelievable probability of fighting for real, and let alone locally bomb someone every week. And for this, the proven and working F-15 is better than the F-35, which instead of bombing, decides to update the firmware ...
  23. nikych2020 17 February 2020 11: 05 New
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    Everyone who studied physics at school and did not skip, knows that only water and plasma can make invisible from the electron beam, which is impossible for military aviation. So all these invisibles are still visible, only less. But if the 4th generation aircraft is constantly stuffed with the most modern instruments and weapons, it will be a more effective combat weapon for a hundred years ahead.
    The Israelis seem to confirm this in practice.
    1. voyaka uh 17 February 2020 11: 50 New
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      "electron beam" ///
      ----
      What is an electron beam? belay
      1. Krasnodar 17 February 2020 13: 17 New
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        Radiotherapy))
        1. Aqela 18 February 2020 06: 10 New
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          Yes. A radar is a radar station, so you can say "radio beam", which is basically true, but the electron beam is used only in vacuum.
          1. Krasnodar 18 February 2020 06: 30 New
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            1.1. Features of radiation therapy in beams of photons and electrons
            Beams of photons and electrons are obtained at electron accelerators, and natural radioactive sources of external γ-radiation - 226Ra, 137Cs, 60Co can also be used. At accelerators, photon beams are produced when electrons are braked on targets from heavy elements - platinum, tungsten, iron

            A source:
            nuclphys.sinp.msu.ru/mpf/Radioterapevt_oborud.pdf

            1. Aqela 18 February 2020 22: 15 New
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              Type you object or specify terminology? So I write "electron beam".
              In terms of expression, the photon beam, I note that the photon dominated by the wave properties, the electrons - corpuscular. The higher the energy, the higher the wave properties. Beta and apf radiation do not possess practically wave properties and their penetrating (and reaching) ability is small. Accordingly, I do not quite understand how you relate this to the radar? Gas mask rubber normally protects against alpha radiation or the air layer is not too wide ... But from gamma - only a fair layer of lead or steel ... In terms of radiation therapy, it is not nuclear physicists who work there.
              Threat Link to a scientific article or there fundamental radiological and physical monographs do laziness, because the topic of discussion is rather stupid.
  24. Vitaly gusin 17 February 2020 12: 17 New
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    These perturbations look somewhat curious, given that the acquisition of this equipment is largely carried out using funds from a fund totaling $ 38 billion allocated by Washington in the form of military assistance to Tel Aviv for the next decade. It was from here that the purchase of two F-35 Adir squadrons was funded.
    Well, did anyone know this?
    Finally, the most painful blow dealt to the American defense industry may consist in refusing to purchase a third F-35 squadron. It is possible that they will be “crowded out” by F-15I fighters.
    "There is much in nature, friend of Horatio,
    Which did not dream of our (YOUR) sages. "
    W. Shakespeare.
    Today, Israel is changing its defense strategy because the main enemies in the past are no longer those enemies.
    Relations with Egypt are the best in history. He asks the Israeli Air Force to bomb ISIS in the Sinai.
    Syria is no longer a rival. But a new rival, Iran, is entering the arena.
    Therefore, there was a need to amend the military doctrine and weapons.
    I will not touch everything.
    Israel ordered two F-35 squadrons. These planes today and tomorrow will satisfy the needs of the Israeli Air Force (I will not write about the details), I will focus on one very important one. By the end of 2020, an F-35 radar will be installed to detect low-flying targets (cruise missiles and drones).
    But there is a need to increase flight range and ammunition. And replace the F-15s that have been in service since 1998.
    F-15IA can carry up to 13 tons of weapons - an ability that has no analogues in any other attack aircraft. 11 missiles, as well as 28 heavy smart bombs for ground targets.
    In addition, the aircraft is capable of carrying all weapons, including unique Israeli-made missiles, laser and electro-optical systems, and much more.
    F-35 better overcomes advanced air defense systems, and F-15IA can carry heavier bomb loads, but refuses invisibility for this. F-35 has a uniquely advanced electronics, which allows you to scout and determine targets and transmit for other aircraft including the F-15IA, as well as easier to modify the F-15IA with Israeli equipment.
    THIS IS VERY SHORT, BUT BUT THE TRUTH!
  25. Dmitry Vinner 17 February 2020 14: 41 New
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    F-35 and F-15 of the latest modifications, a perfectly working tandem. First, some break through the air defense of the target and disable it, then others with heavier weapons destroy the target itself. This allows to reduce the shortcomings and strengthen the advantages of both machines. Apparently, Israel believes that it needs both. And the procurement procedure, I think, should be left to the IDF General Staff. He will better than us determine the order of these purchases.
    1. Grigory_45 17 February 2020 16: 53 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Winner
      F-35 and F-15 of the latest modifications, a perfectly working tandem. First, some break through the air defense of the target and disable it, then others with heavier weapons destroy the target itself

      On the F-35, no one bothers to put underwing pylons, and in terms of impact capabilities it will be almost comparable to the Eagle
      1. ROSS_51 18 February 2020 08: 30 New
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        Quote: Gregory_45

        On the F-35, no one bothers to put underwing pylons, and in terms of impact capabilities it will be almost comparable to the Eagle

        Yes, he has underwing pylons. Only the combat load will not allow to equalize.
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          Yes, he has underwing pylons.

          actually wrote about that. In everyday use, they are removed, but if the enemy does not have air defense, then there is no point in hiding, and the load can be increased by installing underwing pylons

          Quote: ROSS_51
          Only the combat load will not allow to equalize.

          Why? Lightning carries almost the entire range of modern weapons (AIM-9 Sidewinder, AIM-132 ASRAAM, AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles; Storm Shadow and AGM-158 JASSM cruise missiles, NSM anti-ship missiles, JDAM adjustable bombs weighing up to 910 kg, bomb cassettes CBU-103, CBU-104 and CBU-105 WCMD, planning bombs AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon, nuclear bombs B61).



          The Eagle, although it has a nominally higher carrying capacity, can hardly realize it (there are not enough suspension points)
      2. Dmitry Vinner 22 February 2020 12: 25 New
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        = in terms of shock capabilities, it will be almost comparable to "Needle" =
        But at the same time he loses invisibility.
        Yesterday, everything was decided on procurement. Israel also ordered a squadron (25) of F-35 aircraft and a Squadron of F15I ex-25 aircraft. It seems to me that any discussion of which is better makes no sense on this. Both are needed. Https: //nashe.orbita.co.il/blogs/worldnews/84099
  26. Oleg Olkha 17 February 2020 15: 17 New
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    "The newspaper wrote, the Journalists decided ..." An officer has already been sent to the third F-35I Adir squadron. request for terms of delivery, which is a prerequisite for the start of the procurement process. (75 units (3 esc.) Allowed for funding by the US Congress will be purchased, the fourth, as the F-16 is replaced) The General Staff determined the other day, in the immediate tasks for 20-24. decisions to purchase two new squadrons, either both of the F-35I Adir, or both. Much, in order of priority and priority, also depends on the possibility of installing conformal tanks on the F-35I, (I think they will be tested on an exp. Machine arriving this year), which eliminates a smaller radius of action compared to the F-15IX in the "beast mode". Osprey V-22 is optimized for operations with aircraft carriers of roads and is not needed in this form. (IAI is involved in the production and testing of another, V-280 Valor, possibly more suitable ...)
  27. Grigory_45 17 February 2020 16: 44 New
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    Finally, the most painful blow dealt to the American defense industry may consist in refusing to purchase a third F-35 squadron. It is possible that they will be “crowded out” by F-15I fighters.

    Well, firstly, nothing is known for sure, some assumptions, moreover, without any substantiation.
    Why does Israel need Eagles?
    In addition, they purchase weapons in the United States at the expense of the Americans (American military assistance).
    Thirdly, the "Eagle" in the modern version costs almost the same, as much as the "Lightning".
    Logic of what ???
  28. Shahno 17 February 2020 17: 05 New
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    Quote: PROXOR
    Well, let's start with the fact that the Russian troops are there at the request of the LEGITIVE ELECTED President of the country, Bashar Al-Assad. And they asked for help, not just from the nefig, but because illegal armed groups fueled by overseas "comrades" and the most fascist state in the Middle East - Israel unleashed a real massacre with the aim of destabilizing the situation in the Middle East and controlling the production and transport routes of oil and gas energy carriers.
    And do not again blame the Russian media. Here everything is clear to the blind man. Especially in relation to the state of Israel, which is originally an enemy of Syria, Iran, Iraq and Egypt, wants to destabilize in these countries, so as not to shake.
    But there is a good saying: no matter how much the rope does not twist, the end will still be. How will the end to the very main terrorist state of the Middle East - Israel.

    Ltd. No, not convinced, those who are blind ...
  29. bars1 17 February 2020 17: 43 New
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    Remember what Borisov said about the Su-57 - a 5th generation fighter (it proved to be excellent in Syria, shows excellent results ... but, "visor" for the future, but for now priority to the 4th generation)? It seems that Israel has its own Borisov in relation to F -35 ...
  30. Ax Matt 17 February 2020 19: 48 New
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    Well, where are our eternal skeptics-liberals, codifying the domestic defense industry? Here, please, let them see what color the exhaust from the vaunted “newest” F-15Is ... Here they have an orange color, here they have a torch ... Or do they not know anything about this? Let them compare with the white-blue color of the afterburner in the chambers of our engines.
    1. Vitaly gusin 17 February 2020 22: 49 New
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      Quote: Ax Matt
      Let them compare with the white-blue color of the afterburner in the chambers of our engines.

      This difference depends on what is burned, rubles burn with a blue flame
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        In ... there is one. fool The catcher and the beast flee.
  31. Shahno 17 February 2020 20: 37 New
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    It’s just that the Knesset isn’t working for them. So they can not ratify the purchase. And that’s all ...

    What are you talking about purchases. I have not been able to pay Maanak for a good job for a year already .. fellow
    PS. The Ministry of Economy cannot hold a committee.
  32. Astra55 18 February 2020 01: 07 New
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    They will talk, talk and buy everything and a little more.