“We don’t want a windmill at our door”: Problems with “green” energy have been revealed in Germany


In Germany, a contradictory tendency and a clear problem have emerged: the number of people who want to see the country's economy switched to “green rails” is increasing and already exceeds 80 percent, while the number of those who are not openly ready to become a peculiar part of this process is growing.


The German press publishes the material “We do not want a windmill at our door” by columnist Hannah Knuth, which describes an interesting situation in one of the villages of the federal state of Baden-Württemberg. The journalist says that at one time 49 percent of local residents voted for the Greens, a political force that advocates the protection of nature, environmentally friendly economic activities, etc. After some time, the Greens said they were going to implement a program to increase the share of electricity generated from wind power plants. The program consists in installing nine wind turbines-electric generators in a village with a population of only 96 people.

However, the Greens noted an unexpected problem. Local residents, who were so active in advocating environmental friendliness, suddenly stood up against the mountain so that the mentioned windmills appeared near their houses. The motivation of the residents of the village of Bellen in Baden-Württemberg is that wind generators of electricity create frequencies that adversely affect the hearing and the human psyche.

From material in a major German edition of Die Zeit:

This was also the reason why the expansion of wind energy over the past two years has so sharply declined: if in 2017 about 1800 new wind turbines were installed on land (in addition to the sea) in Germany, in 2018 this figure was already 743. And in 2019, it fell to 325. This is the lowest since 2000, when the Renewable Energy Act was passed.

From 2017 to 2019, the growth rate of the introduction of wind power plants fell by more than 5 times.

Recall that Germany refuses to use coal and nuclear power plants, saying that it will replace them with "green" energy sources. Specialists call it utopia.

Moreover, the material of Hannah Knut makes it clear that many Germans, speaking for "green" energy, do not really realize what this transition is expressed in. When it comes to generating power in the immediate vicinity of their homes to reduce the cost of transporting electricity, many are opposed. To date, two petitions have already been submitted from Bellen village against wind turbines-electric generators.
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  1. honest people 16 February 2020 15: 00 New
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    Did the fools tackle Germany’s problems? good
    1. Livonetc 16 February 2020 15: 06 New
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      And you, liberalist, yapping for freedom of speech in the Russian Federation?
      There will not be your era where your blather will have the upper hand.
      1. Shurik70 16 February 2020 16: 33 New
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        Utopia is this "green" energy.
        In an era of triumph, the ideologies of consumer and victorious capitalism.
        Until they begin to die from the overheated environment saturated with toxins, they will use what brings more profits and less problems.
        And then it will be too late to change something.
        1. Tatyana 16 February 2020 18: 17 New
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          Quote: Shurik70
          Utopia is this "green" energy.

          In the technical-natural-applied plan FOR FULL replacement of other types of power plants - wind power is definitely UTOPIA, yes! In what it is I will explain.

          On the one hand, the use of wind as an alternative source of energy today is developing in many countries of the world - somewhere slower, somewhere faster, however to make a complete transition from nuclear and hydroelectric power plants to wind farms is not so simple, all the fault of the INCONSTINCTION OF THE WIND and this is not a constant amount of generated energy.

          And on the other hand. main reason the transition to wind farms is still one - countries and regions in the absence of internal electricity supplying natural resources (lack of own nuclear fuel, lack of rivers, etc.) and falling economic development and poverty unable to purchase electricity in other regions and countries.
          1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 18: 47 New
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            I will add
            This is how much “windmills” will be needed to provide more or less large enterprise, factory, the same bakery.
            I’m silent about other energy-intensive places.
            There will be no places to live
            1. Tatyana 16 February 2020 18: 51 New
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              Quote: Lipchanin
              There will be no places to live

              That's right! For safety windmills are designed and must be installed away from residential areas and residential buildings.
              Therefore, in densely populated places, the use of wind turbines for technically safe reasons should in principle be limited, since European countries are still densely populated, there are few free places there. And for large cities in the same Europe, wind energy is still very problematic in principle.
              1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 19: 04 New
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                Quote: Tatiana
                For large cities, wind energy is still very problematic in principle.

                Yes, I'm not only about residents
                Imagine how much email. energy is consumed by the same military base, or military airfield.
                I am already silent about the metallurgical plant, or port.
                Yes, they simply don’t have enough space not to live, to provide treatment facilities energy.
                Drown in shit laughing
                1. Tatyana 16 February 2020 19: 11 New
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                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Drown in shit
                  Yes, drown in shit!
                  But the lobbyists of the religious SECT “green” in the person of its representatives, like Greta Tunberg, (and this is by all accounts a religious sect) in Europe does not care at all!
                  Behind the lobbyists of the “green” sect are politicians and representatives of manufacturers of the same windmills and solar power stations! And the question is already who exactly do these politicians in the economy represent, which countries represent and why?
                  1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 19: 20 New
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                    Quote: Tatiana
                    and why?

                    Yes, because Russia is the largest energy supplier to Europe.
                    Having squeezed us out and imposed our energy resources, sasha will immediately identify this juvenile idiot
                2. Iwan_de 16 February 2020 22: 59 New
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                  How about schools open with the Internet. The toilet is on the street.
            2. arkadiyssk 17 February 2020 19: 03 New
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              But the reality of Germany is that they have 35% of the country's electricity generated by renewable sources - windmills, solar panels (25%) and bio-power plants on palm oil (and we eat it). Windmills are placed mainly on the water - in the Baltic and North Sea. Near the place where Nord Stream 2 was stopped, there is a huge field with windmills on the water.
              1. meandr51 17 February 2020 23: 59 New
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                In general, there is no renewability there. Since wind systems are very expensive, have a short service life and consist of components that pollute the environment during their production. Some batteries are worth ...
                Watermills are okay ...
          2. ZAV69 17 February 2020 07: 43 New
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            No, the reason here is different: to raise dough on a fashion trend.
          3. Eug
            Eug 17 February 2020 10: 27 New
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            In remote areas, it is more profitable for point consumers to use an autonomy than pay for the technical conditions for connecting. But a combination is needed - the sun + a windmill + batteries (very powerful), otherwise failures cannot be avoided. In the global plan, only nuclear energy, and let science work on the processing of "waste", ideally the process should be cyclical with some addition of "fresh" fuel to that obtained from "nuclear waste". Well, the processing of ordinary household waste should also generate energy, albeit in relatively small quantities.
            1. Tatyana 17 February 2020 10: 35 New
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              Quote: Eug
              In remote areas, it is more profitable for point consumers to use an autonomy than pay for the technical conditions for connecting. But a combination is needed - the sun + a windmill + batteries (very powerful), otherwise failures cannot be avoided. In the global plan, only nuclear energy, and let science work on the processing of "waste", ideally the process should be cyclical with some addition of "fresh" fuel to that obtained from "nuclear waste". Well, the processing of ordinary household waste should also generate energy, albeit in relatively small quantities.

              Everything is right! This is an absolutely competent point of view!
        2. PSih2097 16 February 2020 18: 24 New
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          Quote: Shurik70
          In an era of triumph, the ideologies of consumer and victorious capitalism.

          the only consumer rights are to pay wild bills or die from hunger and cold, and this is precisely what Western democracy is all about ...
          1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 19: 22 New
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            Do they have such a goal for everyone to die?
            And where will their profit come from?
            From ourselves? repeat
            1. PSih2097 16 February 2020 19: 26 New
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              state subsidies for the organization of camps for the poor, the removal of organs, the construction of crematoria, then the cremation of corpses and fertilizers for farmers ... the cycle of man and money in nature ...
              1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 20: 10 New
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                Quote: PSih2097
                state subsidies for the organization of camps for the poor, the removal of organs, the construction of crematoria, then the cremation of corpses and fertilizers for farmers ... the cycle of man and money in nature ...

                Yeah...
                And f that place where to eat you lie where does he have the money for all this?
                Or maybe you’ll think and realize that it’s better to pay a normal salary, a social welfare, to provide all
                necessary and the profit will be much higher than from the corpses?
                Will farmers also hand over fertilizer workers?
                Yes, following your logic in Europe, people should no longer be
                And how many same “Gazprom” camps for beggars, crematoria?
                Were you not tired of raving?
                1. PSih2097 16 February 2020 20: 12 New
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                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Were you not tired of raving?

                  You are raving about it, capitalism has not yet completely won in our country ...
                  And yes, tighten the grammar, otherwise it makes mistakes.
                  1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 20: 35 New
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                    Moss turn on.
                    Who will work?
                    I repeat the question.
                    What is more profitable for a person DAILY working for decades and bringing a stable income, or a one-time corpse to organs?
                    Tell from where this nonsense:
                    In what country of the world is this happening?
                    Capitalism all over the world.
                    And everywhere "state subsidies for the organization of camps for the poor, the removal of organs, for the construction of crematoria, then the cremation of corpses and fertilizers for farmers .."
                    Name at least one country in the world where this is?
                    Your white-hot dream does not count
                    I am glad that it is wrinkling. I'm not a dictation writing in school
                    1. faridg7 17 February 2020 14: 55 New
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                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      I am glad that it is wrinkling. I'm not a dictation writing in school

                      Do not know about your dictation, but the higher set of letters from you, I understood with difficulty. Read more Russian classics and your speech will be understood by others.
                      That's what my son Lipetsk did not like, maybe he talked with you there?
            2. sharp-lad 16 February 2020 23: 47 New
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              When the capitalist, carrying out "optimization" of labor resources, dismisses part of the workers, then he thinks about future profits? And when does this psychosis go in a wide wave in "narrow" circles?
          2. Iwan_de 16 February 2020 23: 02 New
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            I read a lot of your comments. Selling Gorbachev. Where have you all been. Russia is the biggest country. WHERE Everyone was, Kazakhstan was 93 rubles
    2. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 15: 16 New
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      Quote: honest people
      Did the fools tackle Germany’s problems? good

      In the 45th, in my opinion, the "problems of Germany" were solved.
      Or not?
      Decide again.

      Russian soldier, paratrooper, father of the paratrooper, son of a Russian soldier, lieutenant colonel of the paratrooper, grandson of a tanker-blocker, great-grandson of the one who was in the "Brusilovsky breakthrough".
      Germany is accustomed to solve problems at the genetic level.
      1. Den717 16 February 2020 16: 40 New
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        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Germany is accustomed to solve problems at the genetic level.

        Are you tired of looking for genetic features in yourself? You first solve your problems, and then swipe at the Germanic. By the way, she wasn’t just solving some problems, but she was taught to solve precisely “genetic” issues in the spirit of equality of nations, regardless of genetic sets. I would recommend not particularly pushing your special genetics, and European racism is not far away. There are enough paratroopers, and artillerymen, and foot soldiers, who have something to be proud of, meaning the achievements of their children, and there is someone to bow to, meaning well-deserved parents, close and distant.
        1. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 17: 03 New
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          Quote: Den717
          I would recommend not particularly pushing your special genetics, and European racism is not far away.

          I have one genetics - Russian.

          And with German genetics, it seems to me, they decided in the 45th. Or will we measure the skulls again? Try it ....
          1. Den717 16 February 2020 17: 05 New
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            Quote: Zoldat_A
            I have one genetics - Russian.

            You did not understand me. The appropriation of special qualities or priorities based on genetic characteristics is nothing but the basis of racism. Are you one of them?
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Or will we measure the skulls again? Try it ....

            What you are saying is just in tune with your proposal for skulls.
            1. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 18: 14 New
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              Quote: Den717
              You did not understand me. The appropriation of special qualities or priorities based on genetic characteristics is nothing but the basis of racism. Are you one of them?

              I am from Russian. Of those that destroy measuring skulls. I am the heir of my father, my grandfather, my great-grandfather. And my son is their heir.
              Not me, the heir to the black slaves said about the "exclusive" nation. And, mind you, in the 21st century - not in 1936 ...

              Think of this "exclusivity." Is there fascism?

              To whom it is not clear - watch the film of M. Romm "Ordinary Fascism". Everything is chewed there to the point of extreme availability.
              1. Den717 16 February 2020 18: 32 New
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                Quote: Zoldat_A
                I am from Russian. Of those that destroy measuring skulls. I am the heir of my father, my grandfather, my great-grandfather. And my son is their heir.

                So what? In our country there are millions of them.
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                the heir to the black slaves spoke of an "exceptional" nation. And, mind you, in the 21st century - not in 1936 ...

                I don't care about his skin color. The presidents of this country have been talking about their exclusivity for more than a hundred years. And those who look into the world with open eyes would probably be more surprised if the next president did not say so.
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                Is there fascism?

                As for fascism, the question is rhetorical, but the fact that the whole Anglo-Saxon world professes racism, I have no doubt. And for a long time. And judging by how democratic institutions in the West are more and more resembling a "fig" sheet, covering a completely different essence, then he is no longer far from fascism. I would note that the development of human civilization does not have to go through an ascending line at all. There may be recessions. The history, for example, of ancient civilization quite demonstrates such a somersault. So there is no reason to think that century 21 must certainly be more humane and humane in 1936. At the same time, the presence of racist sentiments in the West does not at all serve as a justification for the appropriation by anyone in Russia of special merits and preferences on the basis of the existence of special "gene" sets. For the people of Russia, there is nothing more destructive than trying to measure "national virtues." IMHO
                1. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 18: 57 New
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                  Quote: Den717
                  not the first hundred years.

                  This is Russia "not the first hundred years to the occupants" distributes "lyuli".
                  And America is the same age as our Bolshoi Theater ... For a moment. So let this bunch of thieves and emigrants be a little quieter about "democracy."

                  And yes. My passport is only Russian. Zagran was 12 years ago - over. And he traveled along it once - to Weimar, to Buchenwald.
                  1. Den717 16 February 2020 19: 01 New
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                    Quote: Zoldat_A
                    So let this bunch of thieves and emigrants be a little quieter about "democracy."

                    Well, Trump and write about your wishes to him. Why then? Do you think I will hand over your team? laughing
                  2. hydrox 16 February 2020 19: 26 New
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                    Well performing!
                    Do you know how the concept of "democracy" is interpreted in the United States?
                    As a "minority power" (due to the lack of direct popular elections, instead of which there are parties of "electors").
                    And how do we translate the term "democracy"?
                    Literally translated as "democracy"!
                    As they say, "feel the difference"! yes
        2. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 17: 08 New
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          Quote: Den717
          You first solve your problems, and then swipe at the Germanic.

          There are no problems - that's why I write in VO. When there are problems - I solve them and there’s no time to sit in. From the 90s with bandits to today with the "bureaucrats" - he was used to deciding for himself. Where is the bullet, where is the word, where is the ruble - but I am used to solving it myself. And don’t talk about what the fuck you don’t understand ...

          Do not you talk about my problems, couch expert ....
          1. Den717 16 February 2020 17: 11 New
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            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Do not you talk about my problems, couch expert ....

            I don’t care about your personal problems. It's just that when a person contradicts himself in one phrase, this is an indicator that someone has gone out somewhere, and has not yet returned.
      2. infantryman2020 16 February 2020 16: 59 New
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        One more "we can repeat" ....
        1. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 18: 21 New
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          Quote: infantryman2020
          One more "we can repeat" ....

          And what, we can’t?

          We can, and even at the level of 2.0.
          1. Rakovor 17 February 2020 07: 32 New
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            Yeah, we can. Only, I’m afraid, after another such “repetition”, neither Russia as a country, nor Russians, as a nation may remain.
            1. meandr51 18 February 2020 00: 09 New
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              On the contrary. There will be no repetition. The world is harmful to Russia. It always loses it. Under the "democrats" the people died out more than during the Second World War.
        2. frog 16 February 2020 20: 22 New
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          Unlikely. It’s just harmful to break bricks on her head ... Usually they think to her ...... Here you have an illustration. I only hope that the phenomenon is not systemic ......
    3. Xambo 16 February 2020 15: 21 New
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      Quote: honest people
      Did the fools tackle Germany’s problems? good

      Of course, otherwise you will be free to the Tolerasts .. Germany just does go down to ancient times .. Maybe the Germans have enough to rob? Already 75 years have passed .. For the Holocaust, they have already paid for a long time! Or not ?
      Well, why if they want Russian gas and our nuclear power plants are cheap? Can the Germans already praise the spread of slaughter? This we have the right to present to them, and not some tricky territories ... angry
      We have forgiven the Germans and want to talk normally, but some .. damn it ..
      1. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 18: 29 New
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        Quote: Xambo
        We forgave the Germans and want to talk normally

        You may have forgiven.

        Me not.
        My grandfather fought in a tank on the Kursk Bulge, my great-grandfather fought in the militia near Moscow in the 41st, both returned in shards. And so that I forgave the Germans ????Are you crazy? Nobody called them here, they came "to capture and destroy." And I have to "forgive" them ????

        You rave about liberalism ..... Be treated with haloperidol - they say it helps ....
        1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 21: 33 New
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          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Me not. My grandfather fought in a tank on Kursk,

          My grandfather fought there.
          He formed here
          Maybe our grandfathers were fellow soldiers
      2. il-z 16 February 2020 19: 50 New
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        Forgive a couple more times, and goodbye Germany - hello Bavarian Territory.
    4. 210ox 16 February 2020 15: 40 New
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      I can offer you to put the girl Greta near the door, or rather those who are behind her. Let El produce. Energy in any way they can.
      1. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 18: 32 New
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        Dmitry, hi !
        Quote: 210ox
        Let El produce. Energy in any way they can.

        Let the generator handle twist. laughing
        1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 22: 05 New
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          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Let the generator handle twist.

          Have Wedge Blinton? repeat
          1. Crimean partisan 1974 17 February 2020 10: 00 New
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            Clin Blinton?
    5. kit88 16 February 2020 15: 49 New
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      honest people, so you are the real "idiot" without suspecting it, only with a "-" sign. In nature, everything is balanced.
      1. Aerodrome 16 February 2020 16: 26 New
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        Putin said: worms from the "windmills" get out of the vibration ... that’s outraged ...
        1. 11 Ivan Ivanov 16 February 2020 17: 14 New
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          I wish we had such windmills. You look, all the worms will creep into Tolerantia ...
      2. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 22: 09 New
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        Yes, it's easier to put a minus
        There’s nothing to justify. Give him money now, disconnect him from the email. supplies, a windmill on his balcony and a couple of days he can stand it? Yes, the Internet will also suffer laughing
    6. Piramidon 16 February 2020 16: 27 New
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      Quote: honest people
      Did the fools tackle Germany’s problems? good

      For you, the main thing in the forefront is to throw some kind of slop, despite the fact that no one has said a word.
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    8. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 18: 35 New
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      Well yes. After all, to speak of non-statehood.
      Orkaina breathes, and with Germany when she kicks out the hostages we live and live
      1. PSih2097 16 February 2020 20: 55 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        and with Germany when she throw out hired us live and live

        it’s too late, only recycling will help, or immigration with repatriation to the Russian Federation.
        1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 21: 37 New
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          Quote: PSih2097
          too late,

          And I believe that they will throw
          Not that nation to go under someone. Sooner or later, national pride leaps.
          Moreover, they know very well that Russia is not going to attack them. Then why this nata?
          In the meager adventures of their soldiers to lose?
    9. Fat
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      Quote: honest people
      Did the fools tackle Germany’s problems? good

      It is a pity that a couple of decades were missed. And so, yes, well, right, straight from 45 to the conclusion of the GBV.
      So yes, we are coping.
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    that wind generators of electricity create frequencies that adversely affect hearing and the human psyche
    .

    And besides this, there is also an alternation in the window of a shadow with sunlight from the blades of a windmill.

    In Germany, the population density is too high, and windmills are good when they are not visible.
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      1. sabakina 16 February 2020 15: 15 New
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        But sho, they like in our song "Fields to the right, fields to the left" ...? laughing Or as in a nursery: You’ll go out into the field, sit down ..... Well, then you know ... wink
        1. Chervonny 16 February 2020 15: 24 New
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          In general, everything bothers them and everything is wrong with them. Yesterday, the article was about their nuclear power plants; today, windmills interfere with them. Interestingly, tomorrow what will bother them? Probably electricity ...
          1. gurzuf 16 February 2020 15: 30 New
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            Greta Tumberg to help them yes
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              Quote: gurzuf
              Greta Tumberg to help them

              This kind, but poorly informed girl will again sail to them on a plastic yacht and teach her to love nature, their mother, not childishly ... fellow laughing
              1. kit88 16 February 2020 16: 43 New
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                And how many kilograms of CO2 does Greta produce per year?
                But does it harm our green planet?
                But there is something to discuss and come to a decision that is unlikely to please Greta Tumberg.
                1. Alexey RA 16 February 2020 17: 32 New
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                  Quote: kit88
                  And how many kilograms of CO2 does Greta produce per year?
                  But does it harm our green planet?
                  But there is something to discuss and come to a decision that is unlikely to please Greta Tumberg.

                  And if you put the question globally, it suddenly turns out that the best way to fight for the environment on our planet is:
                2. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 18: 50 New
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                  Quote: kit88
                  and come to a decision that is unlikely to please Greta Tumberg.

                  Chopik to her to score in ... lol
            2. Vladimir B. 16 February 2020 16: 15 New
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              Quote: gurzuf
              Greta Tumberg to help them

              don't you feel sorry for the Germans at all? laughing
              1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 18: 52 New
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                Quote: Vladimir B.
                don't you feel sorry for the Germans at all?

                I'm crying sobbing crying
                Especially when I remember the Second World War
            3. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 18: 49 New
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              Quote: gurzuf
              Greta Tumberg to help them

              To every family
          2. Vladimir B. 16 February 2020 16: 14 New
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            Quote: Red
            Interestingly, tomorrow what will bother them?

            one hundred pounds of sewage will interfere with them laughing
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            Quote: Red
            In general, everything bothers them and everything is wrong with them. Yesterday, the article was about their nuclear power plants; today, windmills interfere with them. Interestingly, tomorrow what will bother them? Probably electricity ...

            The fact is that if you read the article, it becomes clear that only 95 people live in the village, only 2 against windmills, but from this they developed a theme of universal scale and type, significance.
            An article ordering clean water, they say, drown the Russians, stoves with felling.
            1. 11 Ivan Ivanov 16 February 2020 17: 22 New
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              no need to compare Russians and burghers. so they without any deadwood will not freeze
          4. Gray brother 16 February 2020 17: 13 New
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            Quote: Red
            today they are disturbed by windmills.

            Infrasound prevents them, there is no living creature near the windmills, it is also harmful to people.
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          Quote: sabakina
          Or as in a nursery: Go out into the field, sit down ....

          Under the fan you can see far ....

          Glory, hello! drinks
        3. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 18: 49 New
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          Quote: sabakina
          Go out into the field, sit down ...

          Under the windmill ...
          Well, not yet out of need ... lol
    2. Sergey39 16 February 2020 15: 21 New
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      Well, you never know what they don’t like. If you choose green from the rainbow, you will have to endure windmills under the door.
      1. sabakina 16 February 2020 15: 26 New
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        Sergey, can they slip Kirkorov to them? He has blue .... wink
        1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 18: 53 New
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          Quote: sabakina
          Sergey, can they slip Kirkorov to them? He has blue ...

          Not blue, but blue lol
    3. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 15: 21 New
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      Quote: Kleber
      In Germany, the population density is too high, and windmills are good when they are not visible.

      I even thought to put myself in the country. And then he took a calculator and calculated - 250 sput per windmill with a power of 3 kilowatts (I have one computer consumes 900 watts), plus batteries. Yes, to hell with me this Greta Tumberg despite the fact that I pay about 500 rubles for electricity?
      1. ProkletyiPirat 16 February 2020 15: 43 New
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        Quote: Zoldat_A
        I even thought to put myself in the country

        Wind power in the "summer" version is impossible in principle, since the wind turbine should be 50+ meters high, below 50m the wind speed drops sharply due to friction on the ground (this does not take into account the terrain). And at this height, you are obliged to obtain permits from the state, which is long and expensive for private owners / entrepreneurs.
      2. Deck 16 February 2020 16: 45 New
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        3 kilowatts (I have one computer consumes 900 watts), plus batteries. Yes, to hell with me this Greta Tumberg despite the fact that I pay about 500 rubles for electricity?


        Do you turn on your computer for 3,5 hours daily and sit in the dark or steal electricity?
        1. Fat
          Fat 16 February 2020 19: 10 New
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          Quote: Deck
          3 kilowatts (I have one computer consumes 900 watts), plus batteries. Yes, to hell with me this Greta Tumberg despite the fact that I pay about 500 rubles for electricity?


          Do you turn on your computer for 3,5 hours daily and sit in the dark or steal electricity?

          Urban? Not?
        2. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 19: 21 New
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          Quote: Deck
          3 kilowatts (I have one computer consumes 900 watts), plus batteries. Yes, to hell with me this Greta Tumberg despite the fact that I pay about 500 rubles for electricity?


          Do you turn on your computer for 3,5 hours daily and sit in the dark or steal electricity?

          Comp works for me, on average, 8-10 hours a day. Not only for VO I keep it - I also need it for work.

          I do not steal electricity - in a financial state it is paid.
          And I don’t sit in the dark - my shepherd knows how to turn on the light.

          True, I save. In the whole house I changed the bulbs to LED ones.
          1. Deck 16 February 2020 20: 36 New
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            900 watts x 10 hours x 30 days = 270 kW / month / 1 comp. Question: where are such wonderful electricity prices? wink
            1. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 21: 03 New
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              4,32 rubles kilowatts. At the cottage per month about 500-800. At home (cottage) about 3 thousand kilowatts - a lot of equipment, many rooms, emergency lighting of the courtyard, etc.
              Crying, I'm not stealing. Thank God, I’m still making money on electricity.

              The prices are for electricity in Russia, on the Volga. What is enviable from the Dnieper?
              1. Deck 16 February 2020 21: 23 New
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                What is enviable from the Dnieper?


                Is that kind of humor? No flax. region. Prices are approximately the same. But the numbers do not converge.
      3. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 18: 54 New
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        Quote: Zoldat_A
        . And then he took the calculator and calculated -

        These are all calculations for a long time in Tynet lol hi
        1. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 19: 24 New
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          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          . And then he took the calculator and calculated -

          These are all calculations for a long time in Tynet lol hi

          And to me, with a calculator, it seemed "IN FIG".
          1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 20: 42 New
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            Quote: Zoldat_A
            And to me, with a calculator, it seemed "IN FIG".

            Zadornov told.
            He asked a question to an American. It seems like a scientist
            2 + 2 * 2 =?
            He took out a calculator = 8
            Zadornov suggested checking on a computer
            =6
            That one more time on the calculator
            =8
            On a computer = 6
            Comp for them is holy .. The poor fellow almost moved his mind laughing
            And so simple.
            What kind of apologist for windmills is minus everyone in a row?
            1. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 21: 13 New
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              Quote: Lipchanin
              What kind of apologist for windmills is minus everyone in a row?

              I just have a personal warrior here - I can’t figure it out in any way. No matter where I say it is a fundamental minus. Yes, and horseradish (such a plant) with it.

              And about windmills - I already said how my dream of a windmill ended. This summer I will take a calculator and I will consider a new whim - solar panels. And if they close the entire roof? fellow
              1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 21: 42 New
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                Quote: Zoldat_A
                I just have a personal warrior here - I can’t figure it out in any way.

                I have at least 2 of them laughing
                But that other. Minus all in a row who are against windmills.
                What kind of lobbyist is it? laughing
                1. Crimean partisan 1974 17 February 2020 10: 17 New
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                  What kind of lobbyist is it? .... in principle, there is a solution to the problem, there is a resource that reposts VO, The world is small, with a tag Everything about Weapons, so here it clearly indicates who minus the sign or the plus sign, most likely a kind of "Lobbyist" and grazing there, it’s not difficult to redeem, but I personally purple about the minusers, the main thing is that it fascinates them, it’s interesting to posteat them
      4. Fat
        Fat 16 February 2020 19: 08 New
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        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Quote: Kleber
        In Germany, the population density is too high, and windmills are good when they are not visible.

        I even thought to put myself in the country. And then he took a calculator and calculated - 250 sput per windmill with a power of 3 kilowatts (I have one computer consumes 900 watts), plus batteries. Yes, to hell with me this Greta Tumberg despite the fact that I pay about 500 rubles for electricity?

        Is there gas in the country? Then fine. In the tenths, I also thought that we would win if we put a wind generator in our pipe. This crap is sweeter than the network radish did not play. There are no such generators and will not be for a long time.
        1. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 19: 32 New
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          Quote: Thick
          Is there gas in the country?

          There is enough cylinder for the season. They promised to carry out the pipe - four kilometers from the hydraulic fracturing massif, they calculated 450 ty rubles from the dacha without wiring around the site. We said "FIG." I bring the balloon in the spring - I have enough for the season. Not enough - the car under the ass. Half an hour - and fill up. And in the winter I come - Three and a half kilowatts of heating elements stand - 20 minutes and walk in a T-shirt.
          1. Fat
            Fat 16 February 2020 19: 46 New
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            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Quote: Thick
            Is there gas in the country?

            There is enough cylinder for the season. They promised to carry out the pipe - four kilometers from the hydraulic fracturing massif, they calculated 450 ty rubles from the dacha without wiring around the site. We said "FIG." I bring the balloon in the spring - I have enough for the season. Not enough - the car under the ass. Half an hour - and fill up. And in the winter I come - Three and a half kilowatts of heating elements stand - 20 minutes and walk in a T-shirt.

            S! In the Village, electricity is cheaper by almost an order of magnitude ... As a vehicle insurance ...
            I think ... Then it happened to get the Internet about optocable. Put.
            Less than a couple of hours .... Prior to this "private house" And your name is an outcast
            How to sing, how to sing ... Bird Sirin ....
          2. Fat
            Fat 16 February 2020 19: 54 New
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            Me for a year almost. But when I see how Uzbeks are digging me a shame. The locals sit at home ... Save up for tickets ... In .... nowhere ....
          3. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 20: 45 New
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            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Quote: Thick
            Is there gas in the country?

            There is enough cylinder for the season. They promised to carry out the pipe - four kilometers from the hydraulic fracturing massif, they calculated 450 ty rubles from the dacha without wiring around the site. We said "FIG." I bring the balloon in the spring - I have enough for the season. Not enough - the car under the ass. Half an hour - and fill up. And in the winter I come - Three and a half kilowatts of heating elements stand - 20 minutes and walk in a T-shirt.

            "Warm floor", although a little more expensive, but more economical.
            Just to listen request hi
    4. dauria 16 February 2020 15: 27 New
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      and windmills are good when they are not visible.

      good People are generally marvelous - solar panels are not in my field, give me gas, but pump oil away from me. Give me some hot batteries, but the thermal power plant is somewhere beyond the Urals along with the "stokers." And I will warm water in an electric kettle, but not on gas. And do not care that when generating electricity 70% of the gas was burned in vain.
      They remind me of something of my home. Relocate, remake, but do not make noise with a puncher with a grinder and do not spread dirt ... laughing And it’s not like the Germans.
      He won’t leave the world office, bank or resort from Germany, figurines to them, places have already been snapped up.
      1. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 15: 55 New
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        Quote: dauria
        He won’t leave the world office, bank or resort from Germany, figurines to them, places have already been snapped up.

        What, Alexander, to say ....
        Only large, not fit in, plus.
        Will not leave Germany a world office, bank or resort
        We tried already - in the 45th all claims ended.

        CHO, AGAIN ??? Grandfather set their brains in the 45th, great-grandfather .. What, and I, almost a pensioner, remember for my life? It will not rust after me - if only the German Airborne Forces of the Soviet Army would not be hard to remember ...
        1. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 21: 22 New
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          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Quote: dauria
          He won’t leave the world office, bank or resort from Germany, figurines to them, places have already been snapped up.

          What, Alexander, to say ....
          Only large, not fit in, plus.
          Will not leave Germany a world office, bank or resort
          We tried already - in the 45th all claims ended.

          CHO, AGAIN ??? Grandfather set their brains in the 45th, great-grandfather .. What, and I, almost a pensioner, remember for my life? It will not rust after me - if only the German Airborne Forces of the Soviet Army would not be hard to remember ...

          -7 - pacifism blooms and stinks.

          Sometimes it seems to me that I went to the wrong resource ...
          I’ll go to another, to the "Afghan", for example. They understand me more and remember my father.
    5. loki565 16 February 2020 15: 41 New
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      Interestingly, they really can act so on the psyche, or is it all paranoia ???)))
      1. Blackmokona 16 February 2020 15: 44 New
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        It's like with cell towers.
        A cell tower was installed in the village.
        A month later, the population filed a complaint. That, they say, headaches, worsening of health, insomnia, blah blah blah are observed ...
        The director’s response was simple:
        - It's all bullshit! Just think what will happen when we turn it on ...
        1. sharp-lad 17 February 2020 00: 17 New
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          Are you standing under 800 kilowatts? And if you really live under it?
      2. Lopatov 16 February 2020 16: 29 New
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        Quote: loki565
        Interestingly, they really can act so on the psyche, or is it all paranoia ???)))

        The question is complex and controversial.
        But rather yes than not.
        Given the real health problems and psychosomatic reactions.
      3. Evil Booth 16 February 2020 17: 08 New
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        sometimes the sound of waves about the ship inflates infrasound and in a panic the team flees from the serviceable ship but .... these are all the rarest exceptions. bully
      4. Fat
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        Norm, but when the danger creak creaks without wind ...
    6. novobranets 16 February 2020 16: 24 New
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      Quote: Kleber
      In Germany, the population density is too high, and windmills are good when they are not visible.

      Indeed, during the operation of a wind generator, its blades (not at all small) emit low-frequency sound waves that are harmful to health. Several authoritative institutions from different countries dealt with this issue, they confirmed this. Moreover, infrasound can really cause a violation of the heart rhythm, inexplicable fear and unaccountable panic. On this principle, special infrasound generators were designed to disperse the demonstrations, and they worked. Uninhabited places are used to position the wind generators, and warning signs are installed. So the fears of the inhabitants are justified. Let's see how long Germany will last without a nuclear power plant.
      1. Evil Booth 16 February 2020 17: 06 New
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        angry Putin will go to them and they will change there the norms of remoteness of the noise source from the residents
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        Not for long ... They already want to dispose of the European nuclear weapons.
        I don’t give the Gauls?
        Not tired of them centrifuge enrichment on the left to drain? Half a year and to the ladies ...
        Cho holds?
        But Potsdam and holds!
    7. Paul Siebert 16 February 2020 16: 35 New
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      And besides this, there is also an alternation in the window of a shadow with sunlight from the blades of a windmill.

      I saw in Germany huge spaces, completely laden with these windmills.
      For example in Lower Saxony.
      When you are near them, you get the feeling that you are with the forest more often during a hurricane.
      Everything creaks above its head, buzzes and numerous shadows run across the earth.
      It’s just right to go crazy if the house is nearby.
      To my question how beneficial this is, the locals just shrugged their shoulders - in their payments, windmills occupied only 15 percent of the energy consumed.
    8. Aerodrome 16 February 2020 17: 05 New
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      Quote: Kleber
      And besides this, there is also an alternation in the window of a shadow with sunlight from the blades of a windmill.

      and for this nonsense, they put "pluses" ... who are you? you also have “windmills” opposite the windows, at a height of 50 meters they give a shadow from the blades? ... on vacation ward number 6.
      1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 18: 59 New
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        Quote: Aerodrome
        you also have “windmills” opposite the windows, at a height of 50 meters give a shadow from the blades? ...

        Are you constantly at home?
        But can I go out for a walk? Go to nature. Cook a barbecue in a clearing.
        Under the windmills? Or search for "thousand miles" where they are not?
        1. Aerodrome 16 February 2020 19: 10 New
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          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Aerodrome
          you also have “windmills” opposite the windows, at a height of 50 meters give a shadow from the blades? ...

          Are you constantly at home?
          But can I go out for a walk? Go to nature. Cook a barbecue in a clearing.
          Under the windmills? Or search for "thousand miles" where they are not?

          oh ... do not sit under the "blades" .... You, "Lipchanin", already got it with your ignorance, and the desire to click on the buttons.
          1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 19: 33 New
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            Quote: Aerodrome
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: Aerodrome
            you also have “windmills” opposite the windows, at a height of 50 meters give a shadow from the blades? ...

            Are you constantly at home?
            But can I go out for a walk? Go to nature. Cook a barbecue in a clearing.
            Under the windmills? Or search for "thousand miles" where they are not?

            oh ... do not sit under the "blades" .... You, "Lipchanin", and why? and the desire to click on the buttons.

            Gramosny? belay
            And tell me what you will do when the windmills will occupy ALL free space?
            On fingers
            Is the population growing?
            Is energy consumption growing?
            Do you need places for windmills?
            So they’ll climb into your garden
            Well, at the airdrome too laughing
            After all, transportation will increase, and how will Aerodromny react to take-off windmills laughing
            and the desire to click on the buttons

            I don’t have a button laughing
            There are keys, but they don’t “click” laughing
            Save on energy consumption in the house and buy a normal computer laughing
            Shtob did not "click" laughing
            1. Malyuta 16 February 2020 19: 54 New
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              Quote: Lipchanin
              And tell me what you will do when the windmills will occupy ALL free space?

              I apologize, but you remind me of a certain native who first saw a steam locomotive. You can understand that progress does not stand still, the world is developing, and the fact that Germany is switching to green energy should only be welcomed. In the near future, Europe will switch to electric cars, by the way, Mercedes has no longer been developing new ICEs since 2020, considering that everything possible has already been squeezed out. Or do you have something against electric cars and solar panels too? Speak, and we will laugh.
              1. Kleber 16 February 2020 20: 12 New
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                Whose Crimea is Russian or Ukrainian?
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                Quote: Malyuta
                You can understand that progress does not stand still, the world is developing, and the fact that Germany is switching to green energy should only be welcomed.

                Aha. Greetings laughing
                Only here they palm off this "green" fenders
                Why did they hack SP2?
                That's right, they push their gas, for this they pulled a wretched
                Tell me better than nuclear power plants worse than windmills?
                How many windmills do you need to provide a small city?
                Yes, much larger than the city itself
                Please do not talk about solar panels.
                Find out what power they can give, and then about the operating conditions.
                Can you provide 360 ​​days a year with clear weather?
                Or are you something against electric cars

                Nope, don't mind.
                Just what will you charge them with? The energy of the windmills is not enough, and the sun will not constantly shine 24 hours a day.
                Just figure out how much an electric car consumes and how much a windmill can give.
              3. sharp-lad 17 February 2020 00: 23 New
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                And why will electric cars be charged? Yeah, solar power instead of grain and tomatoes.
      2. Malyuta 16 February 2020 19: 47 New
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        Quote: Aerodrome
        and for this nonsense, they put "pluses" ... who are you? you also have “windmills” opposite the windows, at a height of 50 meters they give a shadow from the blades? ... on vacation ward number 6.

        I look here two “wise guys” Kleber and Lipchanin, one in his eyes doubles in the other in a noise in the ears and claustraphobia laughing Most importantly, they write their game confidently with a claim to experts on the matter.
        Comrade, your opponent’s blown away)))) good drinks
        1. Rusland 16 February 2020 20: 01 New
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          Quote: Malyuta
          Quote: Aerodrome
          and for this nonsense, they put "pluses" ... who are you? you also have “windmills” opposite the windows, at a height of 50 meters they give a shadow from the blades? ... on vacation ward number 6.

          I look here two “wise guys” Kleber and Lipchanin, one in his eyes doubles in the other in a noise in the ears and claustraphobia laughing Most importantly, they write their game confidently with a claim to experts on the matter.
          Comrade, your opponent’s blown away)))) good drinks

          It looks like another air balloon came to us from Ukraine laughing Where are you with a needle to poke something, you are our pink-cheeked patch, above or below, according to tradition? wink
        2. Kleber 16 February 2020 20: 07 New
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          Quote: Malyuta
          I look here two "clever" Kleber and Lipchanin


          Whose Crimea is Russian or Ukrainian?
        3. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 20: 59 New
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          Quote: Malyuta
          I’m watching here two "clever" Kleber and Lipchanin,

          And where did the third come from? belay
          See from the country
          Limonies laughing
    9. Fat
      Fat 16 February 2020 18: 46 New
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      Quote: Kleber
      that wind generators of electricity create frequencies that adversely affect hearing and the human psyche
      .

      And besides this, there is also an alternation in the window of a shadow with sunlight from the blades of a windmill.

      In Germany, the population density is too high, and windmills are good when they are not visible.

      Even better when not heard ...
  3. Ros 56 16 February 2020 15: 05 New
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    Let dung drown, more benefits to nature.
    1. Kleber 16 February 2020 15: 08 New
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      Natural gas emits less harmful substances during burning than dung.
      1. Ros 56 16 February 2020 15: 11 New
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        They don’t have natural gas, and not only gas, they don’t have their own Я, only dung remained.
        1. mat-vey 16 February 2020 15: 14 New
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          I'm afraid to punish, but the last time when they didn’t have their own "I" everything somehow went bad ..
          1. Sergey39 16 February 2020 15: 17 New
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            Quote: mat-vey
            I'm afraid to punish, but the last time when they didn’t have their own "I" everything somehow went bad ..

            Then they had Hitler and the NSDAP, and now Angela Merkel and LGBT.
            1. mat-vey 16 February 2020 15: 21 New
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              No, then they had Hindenburg ... And then then just turned out to be an unrecognized artist ..
              1. Sergey39 16 February 2020 15: 24 New
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                And what it will result in now - I don’t even want to imagine.
                1. mat-vey 16 February 2020 15: 25 New
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                  Well, no one has canceled any crises, and they act as a catalyst ..
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                Quote: mat-vey
                But then it just turned out to be an unrecognized artist ..

                It would be better if he was accepted into the Academy. And here again - and the complex of an unrecognized genius. Although watercolors were nothing like that - I would have painted ...
                1. mat-vey 16 February 2020 16: 12 New
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                  It seems to me someone else would have found ....
                2. alien308 17 February 2020 16: 23 New
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                  Handsomely. Have your own style. Too straightforward and intrusive. Commitment to the task at hand. No flight, lightness. So I went to the bosses.
              3. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 16: 14 New
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                Quote: mat-vey
                then they had hindenburg

                He, unhappy, thought he was the CHANCELLOR, and some Adolf was a technical figure. Hindsight I realized who gave the porridge to eat ....
                1. mat-vey 16 February 2020 16: 16 New
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                  So he was very technically caught on the son, taken right by the neck.
                2. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 16: 58 New
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                  Who is minus - read the pre-war history of Germany. Old b..albes Hindenburg did not understand and did not feel the "young Adolf". Let me remind you who don’t remember - Adolf Aloizovich came to power absolutely legally and absolutely “constitutionally”. And only the Red Army "unconstitutionally" ended his reign in the 45th.

                  Who does not agree - welcome in the 45th ... PCA is enough for everyone.
            2. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 16: 02 New
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              Quote: Sergey39
              Then they had Hitler and the NSDAP, and now Angela Merkel and LGBT.

              I always say - "Boys! Do not surrender!"
              Bearded just cut off his head and all business.
              And NATs are also being redeemed in all perverts .... And from the front, and from the bottom, and from all sides ....
              1. Krasnodar 16 February 2020 16: 28 New
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                Quote: Zoldat_A
                Quote: Sergey39
                Then they had Hitler and the NSDAP, and now Angela Merkel and LGBT.

                I always say - "Boys! Do not surrender!"
                Bearded just cut off his head and all business.
                And NATs are also being redeemed in all perverts .... And from the front, and from the bottom, and from all sides ....

                You don’t know the bearded: Before they cut off their head, they are just from all sides - a compact alternative to ishaku laughing
          2. Ros 56 16 February 2020 15: 21 New
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            Your I have different colors, it is one thing when you can’t send striped forests and quite another when you are raping your women, and idiots protest by wearing women's skirts, instead of polishing the rapists’ faces with kicks.
            1. mat-vey 16 February 2020 15: 23 New
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              It depends on how much and how to push ... as a result, all colors in brown can merge ..
            2. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 16: 04 New
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              Quote: Ros 56
              I have different colors

              Europa w ....

              Our color is one - the color of the broken hari rascal.
        2. Svetlana 16 February 2020 15: 16 New
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          They do not have natural gas, and not only gas, the main thing is they do not have their own I, only the dung remains.

          There is. But not enough.
          1. Amateur 16 February 2020 15: 23 New
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            There is little gas (this is bad news). And there is a lot of dung (this is good news) But soon dung will be few. Only refugees and CDU will remain.
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    3. sabakina 16 February 2020 15: 17 New
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      Quote: Ros 56
      Let dung drown, more benefits to nature.

      Cows produce methane, so low ...
      1. Ros 56 16 February 2020 15: 32 New
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        Something seems to me that this nonsense is invented in favor of transnational corporations. I am more and more convinced that the world behind the scenes is trying to establish total control over everyone and everything under a variety of pretexts.
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    Against moles there has long been a small windmill. And big windmills turn out to be against other living creatures ... For a long time the Germans decided ...
    1. Piramidon 16 February 2020 16: 37 New
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      Against moles there has long been a small windmill.

      They don’t give a damn about moles. I poked them in the garden of my mother-in-law with a dozen or so. First, the moles, it seems, washed off somewhere, and then they got used to digging holes under the turntables. Maybe you need to periodically change the speed? request
      1. Fishery 16 February 2020 20: 13 New
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        moles will run away, you’ll be a bear to poison other reptiles, moles of course do not interfere in a large area
  5. andrewkor 16 February 2020 15: 07 New
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    I’m wondering why in wind turbines they don’t use only a vertical shaft with a turbine? It's much easier than a horizontal shaft with huge blades! , I don’t remember the name, there a windmill with a vertical shaft of millstones was just heating water, without any difficulties! Enlighten the "teapot".
    1. Antidote 16 February 2020 15: 24 New
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      There, the efficiency is two times worse and only works in strong winds.
      1. ProkletyiPirat 16 February 2020 15: 52 New
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        In fact, on the contrary, turbine-type vertical bars (with an external stator) have the highest efficiency and lower maximum-minimum working wind speed. And they do not build them because there are problems with scaling, and resistance to snow and icing. Theoretically, these problems can be solved, but it will not be realistic to disrupt financing.
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      Quote: andrewkor
      This is much simpler than a horizontal shaft with huge blades! And you do not need to catch the direction of the wind.

      Well, yes, a rotor windmill with a vertical arrangement of helical blades.
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      Coef. no power, and attempts to make it more powerful lead to a complication of the design in multiples.
    4. Dmitry Donskoy 16 February 2020 15: 39 New
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      The vertical turns at a wind of 1-2 m / s, but the horizontal only at 3-4 m / s. In my opinion, this is all the difference. Although there are disputes that they are still better. hi
    5. Blackmokona 16 February 2020 15: 45 New
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      Because at the height of the wind is stronger and more permanent. Therefore, the entire evolution of windmills goes to an ever greater removal of their top
    6. Errr 16 February 2020 15: 57 New
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      I’m wondering, why in wind turbines do not use only a vertical shaft with a turbine?
      Use. smile Only here is the efficiency "vertical" on average below that of horizontal "windmills". With comparable efficiency vertical ones are noisier.
      You can read on this topic at least here:
      https://tcip.ru/blog/wind/osnovnye-vidy-vetrogeneratorov-vertikalnye-gorizontalnye.html
  6. sabakina 16 February 2020 15: 08 New
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    this is because wind generators of electricity create frequencies that adversely affect hearing and the human psyche.
    Although in physics I had 3+, but I think that these windmills are also not frail vibration cause. This is not a Don Quixote mill ...
    1. sabakina 16 February 2020 15: 21 New
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      Judging by the minus, someone had a grade in physics, or is even lower than mine. laughing
      1. Blacksmith 55 16 February 2020 15: 58 New
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        In the area a few hundred meters from the "windmills" moles disappear. This is a scientifically proven fact.
    2. Antidote 16 February 2020 15: 28 New
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      Since the time of Don Quixote, manufacturing accuracy and balancing have improved somewhat.
    3. Masha 16 February 2020 15: 51 New
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      There is a Don Quixote for every windmill ... wink
    4. Piramidon 16 February 2020 17: 54 New
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      Quote: sabakina
      but I think that these windmills also cause weak vibration

      Are they not amenable to balancing?
      1. Lipchanin 16 February 2020 21: 03 New
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        Are they not amenable to balancing?

        Over time, any imbalance will be.
        But THAT is not such a simple matter. Costly
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    1. Professor Preobrazhensky 16 February 2020 15: 23 New
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      Most likely, Gazprom’s lost profits from an abnormally warm winter in Europe, failure with the northern stream, the threat of Turkish stream failure and multi-billion dollar fine payments to Ukraine, they want to scatter between Russian consumers ...
      Gazprom, whatever one may say, is the property of Russia, which means it concerns us all.
  8. Thrifty 16 February 2020 15: 14 New
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    So it’s good only in advertising, or on kortinki, and when near by. ... am
  9. bubalik 16 February 2020 15: 28 New
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    ,,, everything happens.

    1. LiSiCyn 16 February 2020 15: 41 New
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      We have in Kulikovo (Kaliningrad) from ~ 12, only 1-2 work. The rest are standing. Dead ... laughing
      There is still a problem with migratory birds.
  10. Victor March 47 16 February 2020 15: 29 New
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    Quote: Kleber
    Natural gas emits less harmful substances during burning than dung.

    With the correct settings of the burners, there is no harm at all. Carbon dioxide and water.
    In addition, natural gas is burned, which is the most dangerous in terms of the greenhouse effect. One way or another, methane, not being burned, seeps from the bowels, swamps into the atmosphere and does its greenhouse business.
  11. voyaka uh 16 February 2020 15: 29 New
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    Sound, air wave.
    Of course, it is unpleasant for anyone with a delicate hearing or problems with the vestibular apparatus.
    Windmills are preferably set far from housing.
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Sound, air wave.
      Of course, it is unpleasant for anyone with a delicate hearing or problems with the vestibular apparatus.
      Windmills are preferably set far from housing.

      Alexei, did you see them alive? These are very tall pillars. )))
      1. voyaka uh 16 February 2020 16: 57 New
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        I have seen them all over Europe. The pillars are really tall, but I admit that at a certain speed of rotation the blades begin to “whistle”. And there are people who are extremely sensitive to all kinds of infra / ultrasounds.
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          Well, maybe very sensitive
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          Whistle? For my ears, in the stillness of the night, this whistling is heard as a roar repeating with devilish frequency (for each passage of the blade). And also, if you put your hand to the mast, you begin to feel the vibration. 800 kilowatt windmill.
    2. Piramidon 16 February 2020 17: 58 New
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      Of course, it is unpleasant for anyone with a delicate hearing or problems with the vestibular apparatus.

      There are infrasound frequencies, they are not perceived by the ear, but they affect everyone.
  12. Finn 16 February 2020 15: 31 New
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    How much will they produce in the middle of the country? Why not put on the shores of the Baltic or North Seas as everyone does.
  13. Machete 16 February 2020 15: 32 New
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    Nothing is new in this world.
    Everywhere everyone wants to be ahead of the rest, but they don’t want to do anything for this.
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  15. Victor March 47 16 February 2020 15: 40 New
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    ...........................................
    1. 11 Ivan Ivanov 16 February 2020 17: 40 New
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      Renewable Sources? And at whose expense ???
  16. SNEAKY 16 February 2020 15: 43 New
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    laughing The Germans would google what Moscow feeds. It’s certainly more environmentally friendly than windmills with panels. It’s global. The generator in each house and on Greta pedal ... until they again gave
  17. rocket757 16 February 2020 15: 44 New
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    Nothing is for nothing.
    Man is trying to take everything from nature, they got to the wind, it seems a long time ago, but there is a limit to everything and there are different ways ... it seems too much.
    Value, harm-benefits, can be easily broken.
    This method, according to the totality of the impact, does not yet fit into reasonable limits.
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      Quote: rocket757
      Nothing is for nothing.


      Everyone forgets about it, and the nature of man is very hungry for freebies ... hi
      1. rocket757 16 February 2020 16: 06 New
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        Green mold is now a serious geo-politics!
        There everything is wrapped in a green, attractive wrapper !!! In fact, there is the dirtiest policy, plus such frail grandmothers!
        After all, it’s all, gradually creeping out, only the grandmothers will already stick to specific paws, and the windmills will stand above each sartier!
  18. Graz 16 February 2020 15: 45 New
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    hmm, and who is pleased to see a 30-40 meter fool in front of the house every day, and even if the wind will constantly howl from the blades, yes you need to
  19. cniza 16 February 2020 15: 46 New
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    Specialists call it utopia.


    Correctly called or need to move back to the cave ...
  20. Victor March 47 16 February 2020 15: 52 New
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    Interestingly, they really can act so on the psyche, or is it all paranoia ???)))

    When day after day, year after year, before my eyes, even when you look to the side, the shadow flickers, and the gear rustles there, at the top, the blades clap, flying overhead, then there will be less questions. Not only people leave, away from generators, but also trifles, insects, minks, which make the earth alive for millions of years. Electricity tariffs are rising. The fact is that industry cannot depend on the sun, weather, or wind. And green energy, when it IS, reduces the load on traditional generators that cannot be turned off. It turns out. that energy is generated but not consumed. The utilization rates are reduced, and the costs of maintaining traditional power plants are rising, which ultimately leads to a rise in price. It turns out that the situation is not a reduction in capacity, but an increase- This is traditional, this is new- green, and this is the capacity for the accumulation of all types-battery stations. The result is not even a doubling, but a tripling of the mass of equipment involved in the generation, storage and distribution.
  21. NF68 16 February 2020 15: 52 New
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    Nobody in Germany will install windmills under the door. There are corresponding restrictions on this score. As for someone’s dissatisfaction with anyone and, not infrequently, without any reason, it has always been before, is now and will be further.
    1. Kleber 16 February 2020 16: 04 New
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      Sure? The real picture of the neighborhood of windmills with residential buildings in Germany:
      1. NF68 16 February 2020 16: 06 New
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        Sure? The real picture of the neighborhood of windmills with residential buildings in Germany:


        It looks like this in photographs, but in reality the distance to the windmills is greater. Autobahns and federal highways with their noise for 24 hours a day are often located much closer.
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          Maybe. But such a picture from the window of the house is definitely not pleasing to the eye.
          1. NF68 16 February 2020 16: 33 New
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            Maybe. But such a picture from the window of the house is definitely not pleasing to the eye.


            What's the difference? Do you see an autobahn, a forest, a field, an enterprise or windmills from a window? It’s all better to see the same windmills than some pig farm or something like that.
            1. Kleber 16 February 2020 16: 37 New
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              Who cares, for me it’s better to see a green forest from the window.
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                Who cares, for me it’s better to see a green forest from the window.


                Windmills do not obscure the forest.
        2. novobranets 16 February 2020 17: 35 New
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          Quote: NF68
          Autobahns and federal highways with their noise for 24 hours a day are often located much closer.

          That's just the sound of ultra-low frequency, they do not produce.
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            Quote: novobranets
            Quote: NF68
            Autobahns and federal highways with their noise for 24 hours a day are often located much closer.

            That's just the sound of ultra-low frequency, they do not produce.


            Windmills rotate in the wind, where everything mixes and overlaps. In addition, the minimum distance from windmills to residential buildings is 300 meters.
  22. Bshkaus 16 February 2020 15: 58 New
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    Kindergarten, not an article: I also have a transformer in my dacha village, everything seems to be like Za, with the exception of one neighbor, under whose fence the transformer is actually located.
    The trend in green energy cannot be reversed, as if in Russia we were not taunted by this while sitting on oil and gas. It is really environmentally friendly, although you can’t call it cheap - you have to be realistic.
    What's the problem?
    Do not like the frequencies, take them to separate places and pull the wires to the village, or use a small one, designed only for your site. Not at all, buy a solar battery. But here the stick is also about two ends, the batteries are also not environmentally friendly, and the purchase price is equivalent to the price of 20 years of buying ordinary electricity.
    My opinion, at the same price, the choice is certainly in favor of the environment, not offensive to Gazprom.
    1. rocket757 16 February 2020 17: 00 New
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      Correctly indicated, BUT NOT ALL.
      Eco energy pulls a whole heap, while, not solved problems.
      By the way, just the high cost, this is not the biggest problem.
      It’s just that it’s too early to try to replace the classical energy industry with expensive PROJECTS.
      A typical situation, the cart in front of the engine.
      1. 11 Ivan Ivanov 16 February 2020 17: 45 New
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        nothing to do with technology and stuff, as long as there are kings from oil and gas ...
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          Such an aspect is present in energy matters, BUT, to assume that the perpetual motion machine and the perpetual battery have been invented long ago, the evil oil kings have hidden the invention in the most remote safe, and the inventor was buried, somewhat ..... naively, probably.
  23. Viktor Sergeev 16 February 2020 16: 04 New
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    When they voted for the greens, they already showed that their psyche was not in order. Now it’s too late, well bees, birds, Germany will disappear into a country of windmills, electricity prices will increase at times, nonsense, but Greta will praise, is this not a reason to ruin your country?
  24. Voltsky 16 February 2020 16: 05 New
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    it’s normal, whoever visited the windmills will understand ... they can be heard very well. And people who were not happy even before that were both paws behind; Well, they are stupid people of whom 90% of the world's population. of which only Gretta and her supporters stand.
  25. Victor March 47 16 February 2020 16: 06 New
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    Quote: Antidote
    Since the time of Don Quixote, manufacturing accuracy and balancing have improved somewhat.

    Since the time of this madman, windmills have grown to 300 meters in height, and each one's power has grown to 7 megawatts. No matter how you judge, but a simple comparison of power and the highest efficiency of 90% of the conversion of rotation into electricity, it turns out hundreds of kilowatts of sound power. Put you in the car, block and turn on the acoustics for only half a watt. In a week you will go crazy. The generators include gearboxes that increase the rotation speed of the generator itself. They are noisy. The blade slams, flying overhead.
  26. Voltsky 16 February 2020 16: 07 New
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    Quote: Bshkaus
    Kindergarten, not an article: I also have a transformer in my dacha village, everything seems to be like Za, with the exception of one neighbor, under whose fence the transformer is actually located.
    The trend in green energy cannot be reversed, as if in Russia we were not taunted by this while sitting on oil and gas. It is really environmentally friendly, although you can’t call it cheap - you have to be realistic.
    What's the problem?

    I don’t know, I think I won’t reveal the secret of the open door if I say that windmills are not paying off at the moment; technology does not allow this yet.
  27. Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2020 16: 13 New
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    Can't be #to think laughing
  28. Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2020 16: 15 New
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    Quote: Bshkaus
    Kindergarten, not an article: I also have a transformer in my dacha village, everything seems to be like Za, with the exception of one neighbor, under whose fence the transformer is actually located.
    The trend in green energy cannot be reversed, as if in Russia we were not taunted by this while sitting on oil and gas. It is really environmentally friendly, although you can’t call it cheap - you have to be realistic.
    What's the problem?
    Do not like the frequencies, take them to separate places and pull the wires to the village, or use a small one, designed only for your site. Not at all, buy a solar battery. But here the stick is also about two ends, the batteries are also not environmentally friendly, and the purchase price is equivalent to the price of 20 years of buying ordinary electricity.
    My opinion, at the same price, the choice is certainly in favor of the environment, not offensive to Gazprom.

    The psychologist took up the matter ...

    Okay, at least not a pathologist laughing
  29. Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2020 16: 15 New
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    The locomotive of the European economy is gradually turning ... Seamlessly turning into elegant ...

    However, let's see. laughing
  30. Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2020 16: 16 New
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    What should we worry about? Quite the contrary, it is in our hands. They will kill nuclear and coal generations - they will buy more gas from Gazprom. They will lose their competence in nuclear energy - they will not get in the way under the feet of Rosatom. Russia is only in the black. It is necessary to send about a dozen Germans to Gret Tumberg - and Germany will become old, without industry, but with windmills, clean air and a good burgher Michel with his frau and kinder on the back of his house - the birds are singing, the sun is shining, the beer is shining again Bavarian, it foams, and around in the fields of cows, cows, cows ... - beauty. laughing
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      and around in the fields of cows, cows, cows ... - beauty.

      No, beauty will not be either. As you know, cows are manure, and manure is methane, and methane is gas, and gas is bottom-up no , the cows will go under the knife. crying
  31. Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2020 16: 20 New
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    Then the guide said that there is a program to replace electric lighting in the historical part of Prague with gas lamps.

    Czechs have always been the trickiest in Europe. laughing crying wassat
  32. Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2020 16: 21 New
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    For them, mortal sin is poverty. Therefore, here they are trying to lower the competitors to the maximum, so that they can neigh. laughing
  33. gridasov 16 February 2020 16: 30 New
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    All the time we have to repeat that the rotor blades of the propeller use only a very small part of the elastic air flow. Therefore, one tower with new devices for converting the energy of the air flow over the entire azimuth is able to give orders of magnitude more energy than the forest of iron giants.
  34. Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2020 16: 40 New
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    Quote: gridasov
    All the time we have to repeat that the rotor blades of the propeller use only a very small part of the elastic air flow. Therefore, one tower with new devices for converting the energy of the air flow over the entire azimuth is able to give orders of magnitude more energy than the forest of iron giants.

    Please share technical khe..khe. design features. laughing
  35. Humpty 16 February 2020 16: 48 New
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    I saw in one pretty close to the globe and very spacious country a couple of wind power plants. One small 7-9 windmills, another dozens. For some reason, the little one did not work for a couple of months. Why - I do not presume to judge. I have one type of acquaintance, if someone from the Kantovskaya base reads, then it’s in his Mi-8 garden, I wanted to make a museum for children, but it didn’t grow together. This acquaintance is simply obsessed with windmills. In a neighboring country, they really want to be like an alphabet and windmills like Europe, and not just bite a policeman in London. They built a very impressive power plant, the windmills seem to be Siemens. But something went wrong in the cold season. Generators randomly refuse to work. This guy tackled the problem, it turned out all the trick in one tidy, which freezes. They suggested installing compact heating devices, i.e. an external power source to the generator !!
    It all ended in nothing. Siemens is far away, and does not accept uncertified design changes. "Samodelkina" threw money.
    1. voyaka uh 16 February 2020 17: 07 New
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      "They built a very impressive power plant, the windmills seem to be Siemens. But something went wrong in the cold season" ////
      ----
      Common minor technical problems when introducing new technology.
      Look at the first thermal power plants. Today, their designs will cause engineers only bewilderment: "what were the designers - stupid?"
      2-3 generations of windmills will change. And the problems will be solved, and the efficiency will increase.
      1. Humpty 16 February 2020 17: 20 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        Common minor technical problems when introducing new technology.

        Somewhere windmills are quite appropriate. In this case, the installation of windmills was oddly enough. but rather an action of a political nature. Plus he drank money, plus a loss of local competence.
      2. cat Rusich 16 February 2020 19: 02 New
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        "Green energy" = vegetarianism. All the "Germans" feel sorry for the pigs, but they love pork sausages. In 2-3 generations of windmills, a thermonuclear reactor in Aix-en-Provence will work (plan - 2044g 2GW of energy).
        1. voyaka uh 16 February 2020 19: 08 New
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          The development of nuclear energy will not bury windmills, solar power plants, etc. There will be parallel development. And gas power plants will not die, of course. Sometimes it is advantageous to centralize energy, sometimes to decentralize as much as possible.
          To ten houses it is unprofitable to pull power lines. There are countries where there is no place for nuclear power plants.
    2. Avior 16 February 2020 18: 51 New
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      This is called power take-off.
      Typical for all types of power plants
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        Quote: Avior
        This is called power take-off.
        Typical for all types of power plants

        The manufacturer is not provided in this case. Presumably the windmill should always be warm what . Make a logical design change a complex bureaucratic process.
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          If the operation of the equipment was guaranteed in a certain temperature range, then claims to the manufacturer, let it change to working. If not, to the designer who laid down the equipment in the project that does not meet the operating conditions.
          Heat is, of course, but it may be economically easier to select for your own needs, this will be a penny from the total amount of energy production
  36. Zoldat_A 16 February 2020 17: 24 New
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    Quote: Zoldat_A
    I even thought to put myself in the country

    Wind power in the "summer" version is impossible in principle, since the wind turbine should be 50+ meters high, below 50m the wind speed drops sharply due to friction on the ground (this does not take into account the terrain). And at this height, you are obliged to obtain permits from the state, which is long and expensive for private owners / entrepreneurs.

    That's what I thought with a calculator.
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      That's what I thought with a calculator.

      We have many who, like you, thought with a calculator, but threw themselves in and extended a power line. Much better than gasoline generators. Windmills did not pull. But the cases, however, are different. A wind turbine of a kilowatt and a half stood by one familiar owner of a tin mine at one’s summer cottage. In the evening, he helped a lot, with the canisters, the guard did not run. The owner has changed, the windmill for 10 years does not work.
  37. Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2020 17: 43 New
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    Yes, having so much free gas from Russia, you can afford any experiments in the energy sector. laughing
  38. Russian_man 16 February 2020 17: 49 New
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    well done, I hope they listen to them ...
  39. Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2020 17: 51 New
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    The results of the year show that the drawings and plans of our green friends are not proof of anything, but stupidly cut grants for drawing projects and plans. It is clear that all these plans were drawn in the most distant future, with the understanding that in 2030 neither these plans nor these authors will be of interest to anyone. Well, if only for cutting grants on the topic of drawing plans by 2040.

    Most likely, Germany’s plans to switch to elven energy will somehow be covered by something, since the pseudoscience of physics, even if ignored, greatly interferes with ... ka ....

    But the future is uncertain, and due to tearing at bargain prices of our energy resources, Germany may very well be able to successfully kill its energy sector. laughing
  40. Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2020 18: 00 New
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    One would have thought that the Gretatunberg (an analogue of the fashionable Arctic fox) would prove to be deadlier for Europe than a nuclear bombardment. I can’t believe that the Germans came up with this themselves. belay
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    Utopia is this "green" energy.

    I think that everything should be in moderation. The system should be combined.
    And why are Honest people so intensely minus?
  42. Alexander X 16 February 2020 18: 06 New
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    Somehow I had to sit for several hours near a working windmill. Vibration and hum are not very tolerable. After that, I decided not to install a windmill for myself. So not all is well that the green recommend
  43. Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2020 18: 15 New
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    These are temporary fluctuations in the line of the party. Cthulhu Greta, who emerged from the dark depths of the ocean, has long mentally controlled the green politicians. laughing
  44. Petrol cutter 16 February 2020 19: 02 New
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    "The motivation for the residents of the village of Bellen in Baden-Württemberg is that wind generators of electricity create frequencies that adversely affect the hearing and the human psyche."
    Honestly, yes gentlemen. I agree with friends from Bellen.
    He worked at one time in the city of Sevastopol when he was engaged in covens regarding construction. Literally after the events of '14. In the neighboring section (well, as the neighboring ... I think there were a hundred meters, maybe more) there was this same windmill.
    He made sounds, frankly, not pleasing to the ear. But I don’t care. I arrived, I left, at the mnogo-punch scribbling, the concrete mixer is buzzing ... And people, there to live. And listen to this song around the clock.
    True, then it broke for some reason. History is silent from what. And stood lifeless without one wing ...
    In addition, I studied the issue of alternative / free energy supply for the example of my home. All these solar panels, etc. As a result of studying the question, he fell into despondency and "Martian" depression. And also was imbued with the idea that the game is not worth the candle spent on it.
  45. Victor March 47 16 February 2020 19: 10 New
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    hmm, and who is pleased to see a 30-40 meter fool in front of the house every day, and even if the wind will constantly howl from the blades, yes you need to

    Hopelessly behind progress. Admire. No wind howls in the blades — a reducer howls, increasing the generator speed. Is it possible to generate something on those natural turns? To get the desired frequency, you need to have the appropriate speed.

    1. Oyo Sarkazmi 16 February 2020 20: 34 New
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      Due to the huge speed of air flow around the blades, turbulence and "rattling" are formed.
      You can take a thick stick and wave it. And then imagine this sound at 70 dB. Well, like a plane flying low.
      1. Falcon5555 17 February 2020 00: 37 New
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        It seems back in the late eighties in Europe they discussed that windmills emit infrasound that is harmful to health.
    2. Lamata 16 February 2020 21: 48 New
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      Yes, they seem to explain that the main noise is from the gearbox, but it also comes from the blades, but I don’t know how to describe this noise in words. I just heard it myself and listened to the explanations of ch. an engineer
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi 17 February 2020 14: 55 New
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        Yes, on TV they showed a plot from such a house, where a windmill is nearby. With sound. Something between fuu and woo, with a little sonorous sound. About once per second.
  46. Lamata 16 February 2020 19: 18 New
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    And how much does it cost green energy? In addition, the windmill is noisy. I heard it myself.
  47. Oyo Sarkazmi 16 February 2020 20: 30 New
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    In the Bundestag, install a simulator of the sound of the blades in all rooms. Also in official cars and apartments of deputies. Without the ability to turn them off for 4 years. Working day and night.
    And then put the green energy to the vote.
    How will the deputies turn green for 4 years?
  48. Igor Pa 16 February 2020 21: 16 New
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    I live in Germany, it is in BV. The problem is that the green won because of the swamp that does not go to the polls. The article says that 49% voted. But from 30%. Here is all the math. It would seem nonsense. A person is intelligent and understands that you can’t get far in windmills. But this same mind does not tell him to go to the polls. But on the other hand, there’s nobody to choose either.)
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  50. Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2020 21: 21 New
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    The tragedy of the German energy experiment is that the almost religious anti-nuclear movement in the country leaves no room for the development of technology. Meanwhile, scientists in the United States, Russia and China believe that it is possible to run nuclear power plants on radioactive waste, which can solve the problem of storing spent fuel elements, and this is one of the main arguments against the nuclear program. Of course, these technologies have their own dangers. But as we move on to fully renewable energy sources, wouldn’t they be the best alternative to coal and gas power plants?