“We don’t want a windmill at our door”: Problems with “green” energy have been revealed in Germany

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In Germany, a contradictory tendency and a clear problem have emerged: the number of people who want to see the country's economy switched to “green rails” is increasing and already exceeds 80 percent, while the number of those who are not openly ready to become a peculiar part of this process is growing.

The German press publishes the material “We do not want a windmill at our door” by columnist Hannah Knuth, which describes an interesting situation in one of the villages of the federal state of Baden-Württemberg. The journalist says that at one time 49 percent of local residents voted for the Greens, a political force that advocates the protection of nature, environmentally friendly economic activities, etc. After some time, the Greens said they were going to implement a program to increase the share of electricity generated from wind power plants. The program consists in installing nine wind turbines-electric generators in a village with a population of only 96 people.



However, the Greens noted an unexpected problem. Local residents, who were so active in advocating environmental friendliness, suddenly stood up against the mountain so that the mentioned windmills appeared near their houses. The motivation of the residents of the village of Bellen in Baden-Württemberg is that wind generators of electricity create frequencies that adversely affect the hearing and the human psyche.

From material in a major German edition of Die Zeit:

This was also the reason why the expansion of wind energy over the past two years has so sharply declined: if in 2017 about 1800 new wind turbines were installed on land (in addition to the sea) in Germany, in 2018 this figure was already 743. And in 2019, it fell to 325. This is the lowest since 2000, when the Renewable Energy Act was passed.

From 2017 to 2019, the growth rate of the introduction of wind power plants fell by more than 5 times.

Recall that Germany refuses to use coal and nuclear power plants, saying that it will replace them with "green" energy sources. Specialists call it utopia.

Moreover, the material of Hannah Knut makes it clear that many Germans, speaking for "green" energy, do not really realize what this transition is expressed in. When it comes to generating power in the immediate vicinity of their homes to reduce the cost of transporting electricity, many are opposed. To date, two petitions have already been submitted from Bellen village against wind turbines-electric generators.
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    1. -126
      16 February 2020 15: 00
      Did the fools tackle Germany’s problems? good
      1. +49
        16 February 2020 15: 06
        And you, liberalist, yapping for freedom of speech in the Russian Federation?
        There will not be your era where your blather will have the upper hand.
        1. +4
          16 February 2020 16: 33
          Utopia, this "green" energy.
          In an era of triumph, the ideologies of consumer and victorious capitalism.
          Until they begin to die from the overheated environment saturated with toxins, they will use what brings more profits and less problems.
          And then it will be too late to change something.
          1. +5
            16 February 2020 18: 17
            Quote: Shurik70
            Utopia, this "green" energy.

            In the technical-natural-applied plan FOR FULL replacement of other types of power plants - wind power is definitely UTOPIA, yes! In what it is I will explain.

            On the one hand, the use of wind as an alternative source of energy today is developing in many countries of the world - somewhere slower, somewhere faster, however to make a complete transition from nuclear and hydroelectric power plants to wind farms is not so simple, all the fault of the INCONSTINCTION OF THE WIND and this is not a constant amount of generated energy.

            And on the other hand. main reason the transition to wind farms is still one - countries and regions in the absence of internal electricity supplying natural resources (lack of own nuclear fuel, lack of rivers, etc.) and falling economic development and poverty unable to purchase electricity in other regions and countries.
            1. +6
              16 February 2020 18: 47
              I will add
              This is how many "wind turbines" will have to be supplied to provide for a larger or smaller enterprise, a factory, the same bakery.
              I’m silent about other energy-intensive places.
              There will be no places to live
              1. +2
                16 February 2020 18: 51
                Quote: Lipchanin
                There will be no places to live

                That's right! For safety windmills are designed and must be installed away from residential areas and residential buildings.
                Therefore, in densely populated places, the use of wind turbines for technically safe reasons should in principle be limited, since European countries are still densely populated, there are few free places there. And for large cities in the same Europe, wind energy is still very problematic in principle.
                1. 0
                  16 February 2020 19: 04
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  For large cities, wind energy is still very problematic in principle.

                  Yes, I'm not only about residents
                  Imagine how much email. energy is consumed by the same military base, or military airfield.
                  I am already silent about the metallurgical plant, or port.
                  Yes, they simply don’t have enough space not to live, to provide treatment facilities energy.
                  Drown in shit laughing
                  1. +5
                    16 February 2020 19: 11
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Drown in shit
                    Yes, drown in shit!
                    But the lobbyists of the "green" religious SECT, represented by its representatives, like Gretta Thunberg, (and this is by all indications a religious sect) in Europe is not at all worried about this!
                    Behind the lobbyists of the "green" sect are politicians and representatives of manufacturers of the same wind turbines and solar power plants! And the question is, who exactly do these politicians represent in the economy, which countries do they represent and why?
                    1. 0
                      16 February 2020 19: 20
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      and why?

                      Yes, because Russia is the largest energy supplier to Europe.
                      Having squeezed us out and imposed our energy resources, sasha will immediately identify this juvenile idiot
                  2. -12
                    16 February 2020 22: 59
                    How about schools open with the Internet. The toilet is on the street.
              2. +4
                17 February 2020 19: 03
                But the reality of Germany is that they have 35% of the country's electricity generated by renewable sources - windmills, solar panels (25%) and bio-power plants on palm oil (and we eat it). Windmills are placed mainly on the water - in the Baltic and North Sea. Near the place where Nord Stream 2 was stopped, there is a huge field with windmills on the water.
                1. -2
                  17 February 2020 23: 59
                  In general, there is no renewability there. Since wind systems are very expensive, have a short service life and consist of components that pollute the environment during their production. Some batteries are worth ...
                  Watermills are okay ...
            2. +2
              17 February 2020 07: 43
              No, the reason here is different: to raise dough on a fashion trend.
            3. Eug
              +8
              17 February 2020 10: 27
              In remote areas, autonomous electricity is more profitable for point consumers than paying for technical conditions for connection. But a combination is needed - sun + wind turbine + batteries (very powerful), otherwise failures cannot be avoided. Globally, only nuclear power, and let science work on the processing of "waste", ideally the process should be cyclical with some addition of "fresh" fuel to the one obtained from "nuclear waste". Well, the processing of ordinary household waste should also generate energy, albeit in relatively small quantities.
              1. 0
                17 February 2020 10: 35
                Quote: Eug
                In remote areas, autonomous electricity is more profitable for point consumers than paying for technical conditions for connection. But a combination is needed - sun + wind turbine + batteries (very powerful), otherwise failures cannot be avoided. Globally, only nuclear power, and let science work on the processing of "waste", ideally the process should be cyclical with some addition of "fresh" fuel to the one obtained from "nuclear waste". Well, the processing of ordinary household waste should also generate energy, albeit in relatively small quantities.

                Everything is right! This is an absolutely competent point of view!
          2. 0
            16 February 2020 18: 24
            Quote: Shurik70
            In an era of triumph, the ideologies of consumer and victorious capitalism.

            the only consumer rights are to pay wild bills or die from hunger and cold, and this is precisely what Western democracy is all about ...
            1. 0
              16 February 2020 19: 22
              Do they have such a goal to "die" all?
              And where will their profit come from?
              From ourselves? feel
              1. +1
                16 February 2020 19: 26
                state subsidies for the organization of camps for the poor, the removal of organs, the construction of crematoria, then the cremation of corpses and fertilizers for farmers ... the cycle of man and money in nature ...
                1. -3
                  16 February 2020 20: 10
                  Quote: PSih2097
                  state subsidies for the organization of camps for the poor, the removal of organs, the construction of crematoria, then the cremation of corpses and fertilizers for farmers ... the cycle of man and money in nature ...

                  Yeah...
                  And f that place where to eat you lie where does he have the money for all this?
                  Or maybe you’ll think and realize that it’s better to pay a normal salary, a social welfare, to provide all
                  necessary and the profit will be much higher than from the corpses?
                  Will farmers also hand over fertilizer workers?
                  Yes, following your logic in Europe, people should no longer be
                  And how many beggar camps and crematoria does Gazprom have?
                  Were you not tired of raving?
                  1. +1
                    16 February 2020 20: 12
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Were you not tired of raving?

                    You are raving about it, capitalism has not yet completely won in our country ...
                    And yes, tighten the grammar, otherwise it makes mistakes.
                    1. -2
                      16 February 2020 20: 35
                      Moss turn on.
                      Who will work?
                      I repeat the question.
                      What is more profitable for a person DAILY working for decades and bringing a stable income, or a one-time corpse to organs?
                      Tell from where this nonsense:
                      In what country of the world is this happening?
                      Capitalism all over the world.
                      And everywhere "state subsidies for the organization of camps for beggars, the removal of organs, for the construction of crematoria, then the cremation of corpses and fertilization for farmers .."
                      Name at least one country in the world where this is?
                      Your white-hot dream does not count
                      I am glad that it is wrinkling. I'm not a dictation writing in school
                      1. 0
                        17 February 2020 14: 55
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        I am glad that it is wrinkling. I'm not a dictation writing in school

                        Do not know about your dictation, but the higher set of letters from you, I understood with difficulty. Read more Russian classics and your speech will be understood by others.
                        That's what my son Lipetsk did not like, maybe he talked with you there?
              2. 0
                16 February 2020 23: 47
                When a capitalist, carrying out "optimization" of labor resources, fires some of the workers, does he think about future profits? And when does this psychosis go in a wide wave in "narrow" circles?
            2. -1
              16 February 2020 23: 02
              I read a lot of your comments. Selling Gorbachev. Where have you all been. Russia is the biggest country. WHERE Everyone was, Kazakhstan was 93 rubles
      2. +1
        16 February 2020 15: 16
        Quote: honest people
        Did the fools tackle Germany’s problems? good

        In 45, in my opinion, the "problems of Germany" were solved.
        Or not?
        Decide again.

        Russian soldier, paratrooper, father of a paratrooper, son of a Russian soldier, lieutenant colonel paratrooper, grandson of a blockade tanker, great-grandson of the one who was in the Brusilov breakthrough.
        Germany is accustomed to solve problems at the genetic level.
        1. +7
          16 February 2020 16: 40
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Germany is accustomed to solve problems at the genetic level.

          Aren't you tired of looking for genetic traits in yourself? You first solve your problems, and then swing at the German ones. By the way, she was not just solved some problems, but taught to solve precisely "genetic" issues in the spirit of equality of nations, regardless of genetic sets. I would recommend not to put too much emphasis on your special genetics, and European racism is not far from it. There are enough paratroopers, artillerymen, and infantrymen who have something to be proud of, meaning the achievements of their children, and have someone to bow to, meaning well-deserved parents, close and distant.
          1. -12
            16 February 2020 17: 03
            Quote: Den717
            I would recommend not particularly pushing your special genetics, and European racism is not far away.

            I have one genetics - Russian.

            And with German genetics, it seems to me, they decided in the 45th. Or will we measure the skulls again? Try it ....
            1. +5
              16 February 2020 17: 05
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              I have one genetics - Russian.

              You did not understand me. The appropriation of special qualities or priorities based on genetic characteristics is nothing but the basis of racism. Are you one of them?
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Or will we measure the skulls again? Try it ....

              What you are saying is just in tune with your proposal for skulls.
              1. -5
                16 February 2020 18: 14
                Quote: Den717
                You did not understand me. The appropriation of special qualities or priorities based on genetic characteristics is nothing but the basis of racism. Are you one of them?

                I am from Russian. Of those that destroy measuring skulls. I am the heir of my father, my grandfather, my great-grandfather. And my son is their heir.
                Not me, the heir to black slaves, said about the "exclusive" nation. And, mind you, in the 21st century - not in 1936 ...

                Think about this "exclusivity". Isn't there fascism?

                Who does not understand - watch the film by M. Romm "Ordinary Fascism". Everything there is chewed to the point of extreme availability.
                1. +12
                  16 February 2020 18: 32
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  I am from Russian. Of those that destroy measuring skulls. I am the heir of my father, my grandfather, my great-grandfather. And my son is their heir.

                  So what? In our country there are millions of them.
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  the heir to black slaves spoke of an "exclusive" nation. And, mind you, in the 21st century - not in 1936 ...

                  I don't care about his skin color. The presidents of this country have been talking about their exclusivity for more than a hundred years. And those who look into the world with open eyes would probably be more surprised if the next president did not say so.
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  Is there fascism?

                  As for fascism, the question is rhetorical, but that the whole Anglo-Saxon world professes racism, I have no doubts. And for a long time. And judging by the way that democratic institutions in the West more and more resemble a "fig leaf" covering a completely different essence, then it is no longer far from fascism. I would note that the development of human civilization does not necessarily have to take place only along an ascending line. Recessions are also possible. The history, for example, of ancient civilization fully demonstrates such a somersault. So there is no reason to think that the 21st century must certainly be more humane and humane in 1936. At the same time, the presence of racist sentiments in the West cannot at all serve as an excuse for the appropriation of special merits and preferences by anyone in Russia on the basis of the presence of special "gene" sets. For the people of Russia, there is nothing more destructive than trying to measure "national merits". IMHO
                  1. -1
                    16 February 2020 18: 57
                    Quote: Den717
                    not the first hundred years.

                    It is Russia that has been distributing "lyuli" for several hundred years to the occupants.
                    And America is the same age as our Bolshoi Theater ... Just a minute. So let this gathering of thieves and emigrants be a little quieter about "democracy".

                    And yes. My passport is only Russian. Zagran was 12 years ago - over. And he traveled along it once - to Weimar, to Buchenwald.
                    1. +4
                      16 February 2020 19: 01
                      Quote: Zoldat_A
                      So let this bunch of thieves and emigrants be a little quieter about "democracy".

                      Well, Trump and write about your wishes to him. Why then? Do you think I will hand over your team? laughing
                    2. -3
                      16 February 2020 19: 26
                      Well performing!
                      Do you know how the concept of "democracy" is interpreted in the States?
                      As a "minority power" (due to the absence of direct nationwide elections, instead of which the parties of "electors" take place).
                      And how do we translate the term "democracy"?
                      Translated directly as "democracy"!
                      As the saying goes, "feel the difference"! Yes
          2. -9
            16 February 2020 17: 08
            Quote: Den717
            You first solve your problems, and then swipe at the Germanic.

            There are no problems - that's why I write in VO. When there are problems - I solve them and there is no time to sit on VO. From the 90s with the bandits and up to today with the "bureaucrats" - I used to decide for myself. Where with a bullet, where with a word, where with a ruble - but I'm used to solving it myself. And don't talk about what the hell you don't understand ...

            Do not you talk about my problems, couch expert ....
            1. +6
              16 February 2020 17: 11
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Do not you talk about my problems, couch expert ....

              I don’t care about your personal problems. It's just that when a person contradicts himself in one phrase, this is an indicator that someone has gone out somewhere, and has not yet returned.
        2. +3
          16 February 2020 16: 59
          Another "We can repeat" ....
          1. -7
            16 February 2020 18: 21
            Quote: infantryman2020
            Another "We can repeat" ....

            And what, we can’t?

            We can, and even at the level of 2.0.
            1. +1
              17 February 2020 07: 32
              Yeah, we can. Only, I'm afraid, after another such "repetition" neither Russia, as a country, nor Russians, as a nation may remain.
              1. -1
                18 February 2020 00: 09
                On the contrary. There will be no repetition. The world is bad for Russia, and it always loses it. Under the "democrats" more people died out than during the Second World War.
          2. +3
            16 February 2020 20: 22
            Unlikely. It’s just harmful to break bricks on her head ... Usually they think to her ...... Here you have an illustration. I only hope that the phenomenon is not systemic ......
      3. -9
        16 February 2020 15: 21
        Quote: honest people
        Did the fools tackle Germany’s problems? good

        Of course, otherwise you will be free to the Tolerasts .. Germany just does go down to ancient times .. Maybe the Germans have enough to rob? Already 75 years have passed .. For the Holocaust, they have already paid for a long time! Or not ?
        Well, why if they want Russian gas and our nuclear power plants are cheap? Can the Germans already praise the spread of slaughter? This we have the right to present to them, and not some tricky territories ... angry
        We have forgiven the Germans and want to talk normally, but some .. damn it ..
        1. -5
          16 February 2020 18: 29
          Quote: Xambo
          We forgave the Germans and want to talk normally

          You may have forgiven.

          Me not.
          My grandfather fought in a tank on the Kursk Bulge, my great-grandfather fought in the militia near Moscow in the 41st, both returned in shards. And so that I forgave the Germans ????Are you crazy? Nobody called them here, they came to "capture and destroy". And I have to "forgive" them ????

          You rave about liberalism ..... Be treated with haloperidol - they say it helps ....
          1. -2
            16 February 2020 21: 33
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Me not. My grandfather fought in a tank on Kursk,

            My grandfather fought there.
            He formed here
            Maybe our grandfathers were fellow soldiers
        2. 0
          16 February 2020 19: 50
          Forgive a couple more times, and goodbye Germany - hello Bavarian Territory.
      4. +6
        16 February 2020 15: 40
        I can offer you to put the girl Greta near the door, or rather those who are behind her. Let El produce. Energy in any way they can.
        1. -1
          16 February 2020 18: 32
          Dmitry, hi !
          Quote: 210ox
          Let El produce. Energy in any way they can.

          Let the generator handle twist. laughing
          1. -1
            16 February 2020 22: 05
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Let the generator handle twist.

            Have Wedge Blinton? feel
            1. -1
              17 February 2020 10: 00
              Clin Blinton?
      5. +10
        16 February 2020 15: 49
        honest person, so you are a real "uryakalka" without suspecting it, only with a "-" sign. Everything is balanced in nature.
        1. -7
          16 February 2020 16: 26
          Putin said: the worms from the "wind turbines" will crawl out from the vibration ... so they are outraged ...
          1. -4
            16 February 2020 17: 14
            I wish we had such windmills. You look, all the worms will creep into Tolerantia ...
        2. -3
          16 February 2020 22: 09
          Yes, it's easier to put a minus
          There’s nothing to justify. Give him money now, disconnect him from the email. supplies, a windmill on his balcony and a couple of days he can stand it? Yes, the Internet will also suffer laughing
      6. -4
        16 February 2020 16: 27
        Quote: honest people
        Did the fools tackle Germany’s problems? good

        For you, the main thing in the forefront is to throw some kind of slop, despite the fact that no one has said a word.
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      8. -3
        16 February 2020 18: 35
        Well yes. After all, to speak of non-statehood.
        Orkaina breathes, and with Germany when she kicks out the hostages we live and live
        1. -2
          16 February 2020 20: 55
          Quote: Lipchanin
          and with Germany when she throw out hired us live and live

          it’s too late, only recycling will help, or immigration with repatriation to the Russian Federation.
          1. -2
            16 February 2020 21: 37
            Quote: PSih2097
            too late,

            And I believe that they will throw
            Not that nation to go under someone. Sooner or later, national pride leaps.
            Moreover, they know very well that Russia is not going to attack them. Then why this nata?
            In the meager adventures of their soldiers to lose?
      9. Fat
        -2
        16 February 2020 18: 44
        Quote: honest people
        Did the fools tackle Germany’s problems? good

        It is a pity that a couple of decades were missed. And so, yes, well, right, straight from 45 to the conclusion of the GBV.
        So yes, we are coping.
    2. +4
      16 February 2020 15: 03
      that wind generators of electricity create frequencies that adversely affect hearing and the human psyche
      .

      And besides this, there is also an alternation in the window of a shadow with sunlight from the blades of a windmill.

      In Germany, the population density is too high, and windmills are good when they are not visible.
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        1. 0
          16 February 2020 15: 15
          And sho, they like in our song "Fields to the right, fields to the left" ...? laughing Or as in a nursery: You’ll go out into the field, sit down ..... Well, then you know ... wink
          1. +1
            16 February 2020 15: 24
            In general, everything bothers them and everything is wrong with them. Yesterday, the article was about their nuclear power plants; today, windmills interfere with them. Interestingly, tomorrow what will bother them? Probably electricity ...
            1. +3
              16 February 2020 15: 30
              Greta Tumberg to help them Yes
              1. +5
                16 February 2020 15: 48
                Quote: gurzuf
                Greta Tumberg to help them

                This kind, but poorly informed girl will again sail to them on a plastic yacht and teach her to love nature, their mother, not childishly ... fellow laughing
                1. +17
                  16 February 2020 16: 43
                  And how many kilograms of CO2 does Greta produce per year?
                  But does it harm our green planet?
                  But there is something to discuss and come to a decision that is unlikely to please Greta Tumberg.
                  1. +7
                    16 February 2020 17: 32
                    Quote: kit88
                    And how many kilograms of CO2 does Greta produce per year?
                    But does it harm our green planet?
                    But there is something to discuss and come to a decision that is unlikely to please Greta Tumberg.

                    And if you put the question globally, it suddenly turns out that the best way to fight for the environment on our planet is:
                  2. -1
                    16 February 2020 18: 50
                    Quote: kit88
                    and come to a decision that is unlikely to please Greta Tumberg.

                    Chopik to her to score in ... lol
              2. +2
                16 February 2020 16: 15
                Quote: gurzuf
                Greta Tumberg to help them

                don't you feel sorry for the Germans at all? laughing
                1. -3
                  16 February 2020 18: 52
                  Quote: Vladimir B.
                  don't you feel sorry for the Germans at all?

                  I'm crying sobbing crying
                  Especially when I remember the Second World War
              3. -2
                16 February 2020 18: 49
                Quote: gurzuf
                Greta Tumberg to help them

                To every family
            2. +1
              16 February 2020 16: 14
              Quote: Red
              Interestingly, tomorrow what will bother them?

              one hundred pounds of sewage will interfere with them laughing
            3. +8
              16 February 2020 16: 20
              Quote: Red
              In general, everything bothers them and everything is wrong with them. Yesterday, the article was about their nuclear power plants; today, windmills interfere with them. Interestingly, tomorrow what will bother them? Probably electricity ...

              The fact is that if you read the article, it becomes clear that only 95 people live in the village, only 2 against windmills, but from this they developed a theme of universal scale and type, significance.
              An article ordering clean water, they say, drown the Russians, stoves with felling.
              1. +1
                16 February 2020 17: 22
                no need to compare Russians and burghers. so they without any deadwood will not freeze
            4. +1
              16 February 2020 17: 13
              Quote: Red
              today they are disturbed by windmills.

              Infrasound prevents them, there is no living creature near the windmills, it is also harmful to people.
          2. 0
            16 February 2020 17: 21
            Quote: sabakina
            Or as in a nursery: Go out into the field, sit down ....

            Under the fan you can see far ....

            Glory, hello! drinks
          3. -1
            16 February 2020 18: 49
            Quote: sabakina
            Go out into the field, sit down ...

            Under the windmill ...
            Well, not yet out of need ... lol
      2. -2
        16 February 2020 15: 21
        Well, you never know what they don’t like. If you choose green from the rainbow, you will have to endure windmills under the door.
        1. +2
          16 February 2020 15: 26
          Sergey, can they slip Kirkorov to them? He has blue .... wink
          1. -1
            16 February 2020 18: 53
            Quote: sabakina
            Sergey, can they slip Kirkorov to them? He has blue ...

            Not blue, but blue lol
      3. +2
        16 February 2020 15: 21
        Quote: Kleber
        In Germany, the population density is too high, and windmills are good when they are not visible.

        I even thought to put myself in the country. And then he took a calculator and calculated - 250 sput per windmill with a power of 3 kilowatts (I have one computer consumes 900 watts), plus batteries. Yes, to hell with me this Greta Tumberg despite the fact that I pay about 500 rubles for electricity?
        1. +4
          16 February 2020 15: 43
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          I even thought to put myself in the country

          Wind power in the "summer cottage" version is impossible in principle, since the wind turbine must be 50+ meters high, below 50m the wind speed drops sharply due to friction against the ground (this is without taking into account the terrain). And with such a height, you are required to obtain permits from the state, which is both long and expensive for a private trader / individual entrepreneur.
        2. +1
          16 February 2020 16: 45
          3 kilowatts (I have one computer consumes 900 watts), plus batteries. Yes, to hell with me this Greta Tumberg despite the fact that I pay about 500 rubles for electricity?


          Do you turn on your computer for 3,5 hours daily and sit in the dark or steal electricity?
          1. Fat
            -1
            16 February 2020 19: 10
            Quote: Deck
            3 kilowatts (I have one computer consumes 900 watts), plus batteries. Yes, to hell with me this Greta Tumberg despite the fact that I pay about 500 rubles for electricity?


            Do you turn on your computer for 3,5 hours daily and sit in the dark or steal electricity?

            Urban? Not?
          2. -1
            16 February 2020 19: 21
            Quote: Deck
            3 kilowatts (I have one computer consumes 900 watts), plus batteries. Yes, to hell with me this Greta Tumberg despite the fact that I pay about 500 rubles for electricity?


            Do you turn on your computer for 3,5 hours daily and sit in the dark or steal electricity?

            Comp works for me, on average, 8-10 hours a day. Not only for VO I keep it - I also need it for work.

            I do not steal electricity - in a financial state it is paid.
            And I don’t sit in the dark - my shepherd knows how to turn on the light.

            True, I save. In the whole house I changed the bulbs to LED ones.
            1. 0
              16 February 2020 20: 36
              900 watts x 10 hours x 30 days = 270 kW / month / 1 comp. Question: where are such wonderful electricity prices? wink
              1. -3
                16 February 2020 21: 03
                4,32 rubles kilowatts. At the cottage per month about 500-800. At home (cottage) about 3 thousand kilowatts - a lot of equipment, many rooms, emergency lighting of the courtyard, etc.
                Crying, I'm not stealing. Thank God, I’m still making money on electricity.

                The prices are for electricity in Russia, on the Volga. What is enviable from the Dnieper?
                1. 0
                  16 February 2020 21: 23
                  What is enviable from the Dnieper?


                  Is that kind of humor? No flax. region. Prices are approximately the same. But the numbers do not converge.
        3. 0
          16 February 2020 18: 54
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          . And then he took the calculator and calculated -

          These are all calculations for a long time in Tynet lol hi
          1. +1
            16 February 2020 19: 24
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            . And then he took the calculator and calculated -

            These are all calculations for a long time in Tynet lol hi

            And this, with the calculator, seemed to me "ON FIG."
            1. 0
              16 February 2020 20: 42
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              And this, with the calculator, seemed to me "ON FIG."

              Zadornov told.
              He asked a question to an American. It seems like a scientist
              2 + 2 * 2 =?
              He took out a calculator = 8
              Zadornov suggested checking on a computer
              =6
              That one more time on the calculator
              =8
              On a computer = 6
              Comp for them is holy .. The poor fellow almost moved his mind laughing
              And so simple.
              What kind of apologist for windmills is minus everyone in a row?
              1. -1
                16 February 2020 21: 13
                Quote: Lipchanin
                What kind of apologist for windmills is minus everyone in a row?

                I just have a personal warrior here - I can’t figure it out in any way. No matter where I say it is a fundamental minus. Yes, and horseradish (such a plant) with it.

                And about windmills - I already said how my dream of a windmill ended. This summer I will take a calculator and I will consider a new whim - solar panels. And if they close the entire roof? fellow
                1. 0
                  16 February 2020 21: 42
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  I just have a personal warrior here - I can’t figure it out in any way.

                  I have at least 2 of them laughing
                  But that other. Minus all in a row who are against windmills.
                  What kind of lobbyist is it? laughing
                  1. -2
                    17 February 2020 10: 17
                    What kind of lobbyist? .... in principle there is a solution to the problem, there is a resource that repost VO, the world is small, with teshg Everything about Weapons, so there it is clearly indicated who minus or plus, most likely a kind of "Lobbyist" and grazes there, it is not easy to buy I personally feel purple about the minusers, the main thing is that it fascinates them, postebatsya over them is interesting
        4. Fat
          +1
          16 February 2020 19: 08
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Quote: Kleber
          In Germany, the population density is too high, and windmills are good when they are not visible.

          I even thought to put myself in the country. And then he took a calculator and calculated - 250 sput per windmill with a power of 3 kilowatts (I have one computer consumes 900 watts), plus batteries. Yes, to hell with me this Greta Tumberg despite the fact that I pay about 500 rubles for electricity?

          Is there gas in the country? Then fine. In the tenths, I also thought that we would win if we put a wind generator in our pipe. This crap is sweeter than the network radish did not play. There are no such generators and will not be for a long time.
          1. -1
            16 February 2020 19: 32
            Quote: Thick
            Is there gas in the country?

            The balloon is enough for the season. They promised to carry out the pipe - four kilometers from the hydraulic fracturing array, they counted 450 sput rubles each from the dacha without wiring around the site. We said "ON FIG." I bring the balloon in the spring - I have enough for the season. Not enough - the car is under the ass. Half an hour and I'll fill it. And in winter I come - Three and a half kilowatts of heating elements stand - 20 minutes and I wear a T-shirt.
            1. Fat
              -1
              16 February 2020 19: 46
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Quote: Thick
              Is there gas in the country?

              The balloon is enough for the season. They promised to carry out the pipe - four kilometers from the hydraulic fracturing array, they counted 450 sput rubles each from the dacha without wiring around the site. We said "ON FIG." I bring the balloon in the spring - I have enough for the season. Not enough - the car is under the ass. Half an hour and I'll fill it. And in winter I come - Three and a half kilowatts of heating elements stand - 20 minutes and I wear a T-shirt.

              S! In the Village, electricity is cheaper by almost an order of magnitude ... As a vehicle insurance ...
              I think ... Then it happened to get the Internet about optocable. Put.
              In less than a couple of hours .... Before that "private house" And your name is an outcast
              How to sing, how to sing ... Bird Sirin ....
            2. Fat
              0
              16 February 2020 19: 54
              Me for a year almost. But when I see how Uzbeks are digging me a shame. The locals sit at home ... Save up for tickets ... In .... nowhere ....
            3. 0
              16 February 2020 20: 45
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Quote: Thick
              Is there gas in the country?

              The balloon is enough for the season. They promised to carry out the pipe - four kilometers from the hydraulic fracturing array, they counted 450 sput rubles each from the dacha without wiring around the site. We said "ON FIG." I bring the balloon in the spring - I have enough for the season. Not enough - the car is under the ass. Half an hour and I'll fill it. And in winter I come - Three and a half kilowatts of heating elements stand - 20 minutes and I wear a T-shirt.

              "Warm floor", although a little more expensive, but more economical.
              Just to listen request hi
      4. +13
        16 February 2020 15: 27
        and windmills are good when they are not visible.

        good People are generally wonderfully arranged - solar panels are not in my field, give me gasoline, but pump oil away from me. Give me hot batteries, but the CHPP is somewhere beyond the Urals along with the "stokers" And I will heat water in an electric kettle, not gas. And it doesn't matter that when generating electricity, 70% of the gas burned out in vain.
        They remind me of something of my home. Relocate, remake, but do not make noise with a puncher with a grinder and do not spread dirt ... laughing And it’s not like the Germans.
        He won’t leave the world office, bank or resort from Germany, figurines to them, places have already been snapped up.
        1. -7
          16 February 2020 15: 55
          Quote: dauria
          He won’t leave the world office, bank or resort from Germany, figurines to them, places have already been snapped up.

          What, Alexander, to say ....
          Only large, not fit in, plus.
          Will not leave Germany a world office, bank or resort
          We tried already - in the 45th all claims ended.

          CHO, AGAIN ??? Grandfather set their brains in the 45th, great-grandfather .. What, and I, almost a pensioner, remember for my life? It will not rust after me - if only the German Airborne Forces of the Soviet Army would not be hard to remember ...
          1. -1
            16 February 2020 21: 22
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Quote: dauria
            He won’t leave the world office, bank or resort from Germany, figurines to them, places have already been snapped up.

            What, Alexander, to say ....
            Only large, not fit in, plus.
            Will not leave Germany a world office, bank or resort
            We tried already - in the 45th all claims ended.

            CHO, AGAIN ??? Grandfather set their brains in the 45th, great-grandfather .. What, and I, almost a pensioner, remember for my life? It will not rust after me - if only the German Airborne Forces of the Soviet Army would not be hard to remember ...

            -7 - pacifism blooms and stinks.

            Sometimes it seems to me that I went to the wrong resource ...
            I will go to another, to "Afghan", for example. They understand me more and remember my father.
      5. -1
        16 February 2020 15: 41
        Interestingly, they really can act so on the psyche, or is it all paranoia ???)))
        1. +5
          16 February 2020 15: 44
          It's like with cell towers.
          A cell tower was installed in the village.
          A month later, the population filed a complaint. That, they say, headaches, worsening of health, insomnia, blah blah blah are observed ...
          The director’s response was simple:
          - It's all bullshit! Just think what will happen when we turn it on ...
          1. -3
            17 February 2020 00: 17
            Are you standing under 800 kilowatts? And if you really live under it?
        2. +2
          16 February 2020 16: 29
          Quote: loki565
          Interestingly, they really can act so on the psyche, or is it all paranoia ???)))

          The question is complex and controversial.
          But rather yes than not.
          Given the real health problems and psychosomatic reactions.
        3. -1
          16 February 2020 17: 08
          sometimes the sound of waves about the ship inflates infrasound and in a panic the team flees from the serviceable ship but .... these are all the rarest exceptions. bully
        4. Fat
          -1
          16 February 2020 20: 04
          Norm, but when the danger creak creaks without wind ...
      6. +4
        16 February 2020 16: 24
        Quote: Kleber
        In Germany, the population density is too high, and windmills are good when they are not visible.

        Indeed, during the operation of a wind generator, its blades (not at all small) emit low-frequency sound waves that are harmful to health. Several authoritative institutions from different countries dealt with this issue, they confirmed this. Moreover, infrasound can really cause a violation of the heart rhythm, inexplicable fear and unaccountable panic. On this principle, special infrasound generators were designed to disperse the demonstrations, and they worked. Uninhabited places are used to position the wind generators, and warning signs are installed. So the fears of the inhabitants are justified. Let's see how long Germany will last without a nuclear power plant.
        1. -5
          16 February 2020 17: 06
          angry Putin will go to them and they will change there the norms of remoteness of the noise source from the residents
        2. Fat
          0
          16 February 2020 20: 14
          Not for long ... They already want to dispose of the European nuclear weapons.
          I don’t give the Gauls?
          Not tired of them centrifuge enrichment on the left to drain? Half a year and to the ladies ...
          Cho holds?
          But Potsdam and holds!
      7. +7
        16 February 2020 16: 35

        And besides this, there is also an alternation in the window of a shadow with sunlight from the blades of a windmill.

        I saw in Germany huge spaces, completely laden with these windmills.
        For example in Lower Saxony.
        When you are near them, you get the feeling that you are with the forest more often during a hurricane.
        Everything creaks above its head, buzzes and numerous shadows run across the earth.
        It’s just right to go crazy if the house is nearby.
        To my question how beneficial this is, the locals just shrugged their shoulders - in their payments, windmills occupied only 15 percent of the energy consumed.
      8. -4
        16 February 2020 17: 05
        Quote: Kleber
        And besides this, there is also an alternation in the window of a shadow with sunlight from the blades of a windmill.

        and for this nonsense, they put "plus signs" ... who are you? Do you also have "windmills" in front of the windows, at a height of 50 meters give a shadow from the blades?
        1. -4
          16 February 2020 18: 59
          Quote: Aerodrome
          Do you also have "windmills" in front of the windows, at a height of 50 meters they give a shadow from the blades? ...

          Are you constantly at home?
          But can I go out for a walk? Go to nature. Cook a barbecue in a clearing.
          Under the windmills? Or look for "a thousand miles" where they are not?
          1. +2
            16 February 2020 19: 10
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: Aerodrome
            Do you also have "windmills" in front of the windows, at a height of 50 meters they give a shadow from the blades? ...

            Are you constantly at home?
            But can I go out for a walk? Go to nature. Cook a barbecue in a clearing.
            Under the windmills? Or look for "a thousand miles" where they are not?

            oh ... do not sit under the "blades" .... You, "Lipchanin", have already gotten with your illiteracy and desire to click on the buttons.
            1. -2
              16 February 2020 19: 33
              Quote: Aerodrome
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: Aerodrome
              Do you also have "windmills" in front of the windows, at a height of 50 meters they give a shadow from the blades? ...

              Are you constantly at home?
              But can I go out for a walk? Go to nature. Cook a barbecue in a clearing.
              Under the windmills? Or look for "a thousand miles" where they are not?

              oh ... don't sit under the "blades" .... You, "Lipchanin", and why? and the desire to click on the buttons.

              Gramosny? belay
              And tell me what you will do when the windmills will occupy ALL free space?
              On fingers
              Is the population growing?
              Is energy consumption growing?
              Do you need places for windmills?
              So they’ll climb into your garden
              Well, at the airdrome too laughing
              Transportation will increase, and how will "Aerodromny" react to wind turbines at takeoff laughing
              and the desire to click on the buttons

              I don’t have a button laughing
              There are keys, but they do not "click" laughing
              Save on energy consumption in the house and buy a normal computer laughing
              Shtob did not "click" laughing
              1. +6
                16 February 2020 19: 54
                Quote: Lipchanin
                And tell me what you will do when the windmills will occupy ALL free space?

                I'm sorry, but you remind me of a certain aborigine who first saw a steam locomotive. You can understand that progress does not stand still, the world is developing and that Germany is switching to "green" energy should only be welcomed. In the near future, Europe will switch to electric cars, by the way, since 2020, Mercedes is no longer developing new internal combustion engines, considering that everything possible has already been squeezed out of them. Or do you have something against electric vehicles and solar panels too? Sound, and we will laugh.
                1. -2
                  16 February 2020 20: 12
                  Whose Crimea is Russian or Ukrainian?
                2. 0
                  16 February 2020 20: 57
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  You can understand that progress does not stand still, the world is developing and that Germany is switching to "green" energy should only be welcomed.

                  Aha. Greetings laughing
                  Only here they are slipping this "green"
                  Why did they hack SP2?
                  That's right, they push their gas, for this they pulled a wretched
                  Tell me better than nuclear power plants worse than windmills?
                  How many windmills do you need to provide a small city?
                  Yes, much larger than the city itself
                  Please do not talk about solar panels.
                  Find out what power they can give, and then about the operating conditions.
                  Can you provide 360 ​​days a year with clear weather?
                  Or are you something against electric cars

                  Nope, don't mind.
                  Just what will you charge them with? The energy of the windmills is not enough, and the sun will not constantly shine 24 hours a day.
                  Just figure out how much an electric car consumes and how much a windmill can give.
                3. -1
                  17 February 2020 00: 23
                  And why will electric cars be charged? Yeah, solar power instead of grain and tomatoes.
        2. +4
          16 February 2020 19: 47
          Quote: Aerodrome
          and for this nonsense, they put "plus signs" ... who are you? Do you also have "windmills" in front of the windows, at a height of 50 meters give a shadow from the blades?

          I see here two "smart guys" Kleber and Lipchanin, one sees double in the eyes of the other in tinnitus and claustraphobia laughing Most importantly, they write their game confidently with a claim to experts on the matter.
          Comrade, your opponent’s blown away)))) good drinks
          1. -3
            16 February 2020 20: 01
            Quote: Malyuta
            Quote: Aerodrome
            and for this nonsense, they put "plus signs" ... who are you? Do you also have "windmills" in front of the windows, at a height of 50 meters give a shadow from the blades?

            I see here two "smart guys" Kleber and Lipchanin, one sees double in the eyes of the other in tinnitus and claustraphobia laughing Most importantly, they write their game confidently with a claim to experts on the matter.
            Comrade, your opponent’s blown away)))) good drinks

            It looks like another air balloon came to us from Ukraine laughing Where are you with a needle to poke something, you are our pink-cheeked patch, above or below, according to tradition? wink
          2. -2
            16 February 2020 20: 07
            Quote: Malyuta
            I see here two "smart guys" Kleber and Lipchanin


            Whose Crimea is Russian or Ukrainian?
          3. -2
            16 February 2020 20: 59
            Quote: Malyuta
            I see here two "smart guys" Kleber and Lipchanin,

            And where did the third come from? belay
            See from the country
            Limonies laughing
      9. Fat
        -1
        16 February 2020 18: 46
        Quote: Kleber
        that wind generators of electricity create frequencies that adversely affect hearing and the human psyche
        .

        And besides this, there is also an alternation in the window of a shadow with sunlight from the blades of a windmill.

        In Germany, the population density is too high, and windmills are good when they are not visible.

        Even better when not heard ...
    3. +1
      16 February 2020 15: 05
      Let dung drown, more benefits to nature.
      1. -1
        16 February 2020 15: 08
        Natural gas emits less harmful substances during burning than dung.
        1. 0
          16 February 2020 15: 11
          They don’t have natural gas, and not only gas, they don’t have their own Я, only dung remained.
          1. +1
            16 February 2020 15: 14
            I'm afraid to screw it up, but the last time they didn't have their own "I", things didn't go well ..
            1. -1
              16 February 2020 15: 17
              Quote: mat-vey
              I'm afraid to screw it up, but the last time they didn't have their own "I", things didn't go well ..

              Then they had Hitler and the NSDAP, and now Angela Merkel and LGBT.
              1. -1
                16 February 2020 15: 21
                No, then they had Hindenburg ... And then then just turned out to be an unrecognized artist ..
                1. -3
                  16 February 2020 15: 24
                  And what it will result in now - I don’t even want to imagine.
                  1. -1
                    16 February 2020 15: 25
                    Well, no one has canceled any crises, and they act as a catalyst ..
                2. 0
                  16 February 2020 16: 10
                  Quote: mat-vey
                  But then it just turned out to be an unrecognized artist ..

                  It would be better if he was accepted into the Academy. And here again - and the complex of an unrecognized genius. Although watercolors were nothing like that - I would have painted ...
                  1. -1
                    16 February 2020 16: 12
                    It seems to me someone else would have found ....
                  2. 0
                    17 February 2020 16: 23
                    Handsomely. Have your own style. Too straightforward and intrusive. Commitment to the task at hand. No flight, lightness. So I went to the bosses.
                3. -1
                  16 February 2020 16: 14
                  Quote: mat-vey
                  then they had hindenburg

                  He, unhappy, thought he was the CHANCELLOR, and some Adolf was a technical figure. Hindsight I realized who gave the porridge to eat ....
                  1. -1
                    16 February 2020 16: 16
                    So he was very technically caught on the son, taken right by the neck.
                  2. -1
                    16 February 2020 16: 58
                    Who is negative - read the pre-war history of Germany. Old b..albes Hindenburg did not understand and did not feel "young Adolf". Let me remind you, who does not remember - Adolf Aloizovich came to power absolutely legally and absolutely "constitutionally". And only the Red Army "unconstitutionally" ended his rule in 45.

                    Who does not agree - welcome in the 45th ... PCA is enough for everyone.
              2. -5
                16 February 2020 16: 02
                Quote: Sergey39
                Then they had Hitler and the NSDAP, and now Angela Merkel and LGBT.

                I always say - "Guys! Do not surrender!"
                Bearded just cut off his head and all business.
                And NATs are also being redeemed in all perverts .... And from the front, and from the bottom, and from all sides ....
                1. +1
                  16 February 2020 16: 28
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  Quote: Sergey39
                  Then they had Hitler and the NSDAP, and now Angela Merkel and LGBT.

                  I always say - "Guys! Do not surrender!"
                  Bearded just cut off his head and all business.
                  And NATs are also being redeemed in all perverts .... And from the front, and from the bottom, and from all sides ....

                  You don’t know the bearded: Before they cut off their head, they are just from all sides - a compact alternative to ishaku laughing
            2. 0
              16 February 2020 15: 21
              Your I have different colors, it is one thing when you can’t send striped forests and quite another when you are raping your women, and idiots protest by wearing women's skirts, instead of polishing the rapists’ faces with kicks.
              1. -2
                16 February 2020 15: 23
                It depends on how much and how to push ... as a result, all colors in brown can merge ..
              2. -5
                16 February 2020 16: 04
                Quote: Ros 56
                I have different colors

                Europa w ....

                Our color is one - the color of the broken hari rascal.
          2. 0
            16 February 2020 15: 16
            They do not have natural gas, and not only gas, most importantly they do not have their own I, only dung remained.

            There is. But not enough.
            1. -3
              16 February 2020 15: 23
              There is little gas (this is bad news). And there is a lot of dung (this is good news) But soon dung will be few. Only refugees and CDU will remain.
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      3. +1
        16 February 2020 15: 17
        Quote: Ros 56
        Let dung drown, more benefits to nature.

        Cows produce methane, so low ...
        1. -1
          16 February 2020 15: 32
          Something seems to me that this nonsense is invented in favor of transnational corporations. I am more and more convinced that the world behind the scenes is trying to establish total control over everyone and everything under a variety of pretexts.
    4. -1
      16 February 2020 15: 06
      Against moles there has long been a small windmill. And big windmills turn out to be against other living creatures ... For a long time the Germans decided ...
      1. +1
        16 February 2020 16: 37
        Quote: Carib
        Against moles there has long been a small windmill.

        They don’t give a damn about moles. I poked them in the garden of my mother-in-law with a dozen or so. First, the moles, it seems, washed off somewhere, and then they got used to digging holes under the turntables. Maybe you need to periodically change the speed? request
        1. 0
          16 February 2020 20: 13
          moles will run away, you’ll be a bear to poison other reptiles, moles of course do not interfere in a large area
    5. +6
      16 February 2020 15: 07
      I’m wondering why only a vertical shaft with a turbine is not used in wind generators? It’s much easier than a horizontal shaft with huge blades! And you don’t need to catch the wind direction. Back in my childhood I read a book about polar explorers, either 20s or 30s -x years, I don't remember the name, there a windmill with a vertical shaft with millstones just warmed water, without any difficulties! Enlighten the "teapot".
      1. -1
        16 February 2020 15: 24
        There, the efficiency is two times worse and only works in strong winds.
        1. +3
          16 February 2020 15: 52
          In fact, on the contrary, turbine-type vertical bars (with an external stator) have the highest efficiency and lower maximum-minimum working wind speed. And they do not build them because there are problems with scaling, and resistance to snow and icing. Theoretically, these problems can be solved, but it will not be realistic to disrupt financing.
      2. 0
        16 February 2020 15: 27
        Quote: andrewkor
        This is much simpler than a horizontal shaft with huge blades! And you do not need to catch the direction of the wind.

        Well, yes, a rotor windmill with a vertical arrangement of helical blades.
      3. 0
        16 February 2020 15: 32
        Coef. no power, and attempts to make it more powerful lead to a complication of the design in multiples.
      4. 0
        16 February 2020 15: 39
        The vertical turns at a wind of 1-2 m / s, but the horizontal only at 3-4 m / s. In my opinion, this is all the difference. Although there are disputes that they are still better. hi
      5. +1
        16 February 2020 15: 45
        Because at the height of the wind is stronger and more permanent. Therefore, the entire evolution of windmills goes to an ever greater removal of their top
      6. +1
        16 February 2020 15: 57
        Quote: andrewkor
        I’m wondering, why in wind turbines do not use only a vertical shaft with a turbine?
        Use. smile Only here is the efficiency "vertical" is on average lower than that of horizontal "wind turbines". With comparable efficiency vertical ones are noisier.
        You can read on this topic at least here:
        https://tcip.ru/blog/wind/osnovnye-vidy-vetrogeneratorov-vertikalnye-gorizontalnye.html
    6. 0
      16 February 2020 15: 08
      this is because wind generators of electricity create frequencies that adversely affect hearing and the human psyche.
      Although in physics I had 3+, but I think that these windmills are also not frail vibration cause. This is not a Don Quixote mill ...
      1. +1
        16 February 2020 15: 21
        Judging by the minus, someone had a grade in physics, or is even lower than mine. laughing
        1. 0
          16 February 2020 15: 58
          Moles disappear in the vicinity of several hundred meters from the "wind turbines". This is a scientifically proven fact.
      2. +1
        16 February 2020 15: 28
        Since the time of Don Quixote, manufacturing accuracy and balancing have improved somewhat.
      3. +5
        16 February 2020 15: 51
        There is a Don Quixote for every windmill ... wink
      4. -1
        16 February 2020 17: 54
        Quote: sabakina
        but I think that these windmills also cause weak vibration

        Are they not amenable to balancing?
        1. -1
          16 February 2020 21: 03
          Quote: Piramidon
          Are they not amenable to balancing?

          Over time, any imbalance will be.
          But THAT is not such a simple matter. Costly
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      1. -6
        16 February 2020 15: 23
        Most likely, Gazprom’s lost profits from an abnormally warm winter in Europe, failure with the northern stream, the threat of Turkish stream failure and multi-billion dollar fine payments to Ukraine, they want to scatter between Russian consumers ...
        Gazprom, whatever one may say, is the property of Russia, which means it concerns us all.
    8. -2
      16 February 2020 15: 14
      So it’s good only in advertising, or on kortinki, and when near by. ... am
    9. -1
      16 February 2020 15: 28
      ,,, everything happens.

      1. +6
        16 February 2020 15: 41
        We have in Kulikovo (Kaliningrad) from ~ 12, only 1-2 work. The rest are standing. Dead ... laughing
        There is still a problem with migratory birds.
    10. -2
      16 February 2020 15: 29
      Quote: Kleber
      Natural gas emits less harmful substances during burning than dung.

      With the correct settings of the burners, there is no harm at all. Carbon dioxide and water.
      In addition, natural gas is burned, which is the most dangerous in terms of the greenhouse effect. One way or another, methane, not being burned, seeps from the bowels, swamps into the atmosphere and does its greenhouse business.
    11. +6
      16 February 2020 15: 29
      Sound, air wave.
      Of course, it is unpleasant for anyone with a delicate hearing or problems with the vestibular apparatus.
      Windmills are preferably set far from housing.
      1. +2
        16 February 2020 16: 34
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Sound, air wave.
        Of course, it is unpleasant for anyone with a delicate hearing or problems with the vestibular apparatus.
        Windmills are preferably set far from housing.

        Alexei, did you see them alive? These are very tall pillars. )))
        1. +1
          16 February 2020 16: 57
          I've seen them all over Europe. The pillars are really tall, but I admit that at a certain speed of rotation the blades begin to "whistle". And there are people who are extremely sensitive to all kinds of infra / ultrasounds.
          1. +2
            16 February 2020 16: 59
            Well, maybe very sensitive
          2. 0
            17 February 2020 00: 48
            Whistle? For my ears, in the stillness of the night, this whistling is heard as a roar repeating with devilish frequency (for each passage of the blade). And also, if you put your hand to the mast, you begin to feel the vibration. 800 kilowatt windmill.
      2. -1
        16 February 2020 17: 58
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Of course, it is unpleasant for anyone with a delicate hearing or problems with the vestibular apparatus.

        There are infrasound frequencies, they are not perceived by the ear, but they affect everyone.
    12. 0
      16 February 2020 15: 31
      How much will they produce in the middle of the country? Why not put on the shores of the Baltic or North Seas as everyone does.
    13. -1
      16 February 2020 15: 32
      Nothing is new in this world.
      Everywhere everyone wants to be ahead of the rest, but they don’t want to do anything for this.
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    15. -4
      16 February 2020 15: 40
      ...........................................
      1. -2
        16 February 2020 17: 40
        Renewable Sources? And at whose expense ???
    16. -1
      16 February 2020 15: 43
      laughing The Germans would google what Moscow feeds. It’s certainly more environmentally friendly than windmills with panels. It’s global. The generator in each house and on Greta pedal ... until they again gave
    17. 0
      16 February 2020 15: 44
      Nothing is for nothing.
      Man is trying to take everything from nature, they got to the wind, it seems a long time ago, but there is a limit to everything and there are different ways ... it seems too much.
      Value, harm-benefits, can be easily broken.
      This method, according to the totality of the impact, does not yet fit into reasonable limits.
      1. +4
        16 February 2020 15: 47
        Quote: rocket757
        Nothing is for nothing.


        Everyone forgets about it, and the nature of man is very hungry for freebies ... hi
        1. +4
          16 February 2020 16: 06
          "Green mold" is now a serious geo policy!
          There everything is wrapped in a green, attractive wrapper !!! In fact, there is the dirtiest policy, plus such frail grandmothers!
          After all, it’s all, gradually creeping out, only the grandmothers will already stick to specific paws, and the windmills will stand above each sartier!
    18. 0
      16 February 2020 15: 45
      hmm, and who is pleased to see a 30-40 meter fool in front of the house every day, and even if the wind will constantly howl from the blades, yes you need to
    19. +1
      16 February 2020 15: 46
      Specialists call it utopia.


      Correctly called or need to move back to the cave ...
    20. -1
      16 February 2020 15: 52
      Quote: loki565
      Interestingly, they really can act so on the psyche, or is it all paranoia ???)))

      When day after day, year after year, before my eyes, even when you look to the side, the shadow flickers, and the gear rustles there, at the top, the blades clap, flying overhead, then there will be less questions. Not only people leave, away from generators, but also trifles, insects, minks, which make the earth alive for millions of years. Electricity tariffs are rising. The fact is that industry cannot depend on the sun, weather, or wind. And green energy, when it IS, reduces the load on traditional generators that cannot be turned off. It turns out. that energy is generated but not consumed. The utilization rates are reduced, and the costs of maintaining traditional power plants are rising, which ultimately leads to a rise in price. It turns out that the situation is not a reduction in capacity, but an increase- This is traditional, this is new- green, and this is the capacity for the accumulation of all types-battery stations. The result is not even a doubling, but a tripling of the mass of equipment involved in the generation, storage and distribution.
    21. +1
      16 February 2020 15: 52
      Nobody in Germany will install windmills under the door. There are corresponding restrictions on this score. As for someone’s dissatisfaction with anyone and, not infrequently, without any reason, it has always been before, is now and will be further.
      1. 0
        16 February 2020 16: 04
        Sure? The real picture of the neighborhood of windmills with residential buildings in Germany:
        1. +4
          16 February 2020 16: 06
          Quote: Kleber
          Sure? The real picture of the neighborhood of windmills with residential buildings in Germany:


          It looks like this in photographs, but in reality the distance to the windmills is greater. Autobahns and federal highways with their noise for 24 hours a day are often located much closer.
          1. 0
            16 February 2020 16: 10
            Maybe. But such a picture from the window of the house is definitely not pleasing to the eye.
            1. +1
              16 February 2020 16: 33
              Quote: Kleber
              Maybe. But such a picture from the window of the house is definitely not pleasing to the eye.


              What's the difference? Do you see an autobahn, a forest, a field, an enterprise or windmills from a window? It’s all better to see the same windmills than some pig farm or something like that.
              1. -1
                16 February 2020 16: 37
                Who cares, for me it’s better to see a green forest from the window.
                1. +1
                  17 February 2020 14: 43
                  Quote: Kleber
                  Who cares, for me it’s better to see a green forest from the window.


                  Windmills do not obscure the forest.
          2. -2
            16 February 2020 17: 35
            Quote: NF68
            Autobahns and federal highways with their noise for 24 hours a day are often located much closer.

            That's just the sound of ultra-low frequency, they do not produce.
            1. 0
              17 February 2020 14: 45
              Quote: novobranets
              Quote: NF68
              Autobahns and federal highways with their noise for 24 hours a day are often located much closer.

              That's just the sound of ultra-low frequency, they do not produce.


              Windmills rotate in the wind, where everything mixes and overlaps. In addition, the minimum distance from windmills to residential buildings is 300 meters.
    22. +4
      16 February 2020 15: 58
      A kindergarten, not an article: I also have a transformer in my dacha village, everything seems to be "For", except for one neighbor, under whose fence the transformer is actually located.
      The trend of "green" energy cannot be reversed, no matter how they mock it in Russia, sitting on oil and gas. It's really eco-friendly, although you can't call it cheap - you have to be realistic.
      What's the problem?
      Do not like the frequencies, take them to separate places and pull the wires to the village, or use a small one, designed only for your site. Not at all, buy a solar battery. But here the stick is also about two ends, the batteries are also not environmentally friendly, and the purchase price is equivalent to the price of 20 years of buying ordinary electricity.
      My opinion, at the same price, the choice is certainly in favor of the environment, not offensive to Gazprom.
      1. +2
        16 February 2020 17: 00
        Correctly indicated, BUT NOT ALL.
        Eco energy pulls a whole heap, while, not solved problems.
        By the way, just the high cost, this is not the biggest problem.
        It’s just that it’s too early to try to replace the classical energy industry with expensive PROJECTS.
        A typical situation, the cart in front of the engine.
        1. +1
          16 February 2020 17: 45
          nothing to do with technology and stuff, as long as there are kings from oil and gas ...
          1. 0
            16 February 2020 18: 23
            Such an aspect is present in energy matters, BUT, to assume that the perpetual motion machine and the perpetual battery have been invented long ago, the evil oil kings have hidden the invention in the most remote safe, and the inventor was buried, somewhat ..... naively, probably.
    23. +4
      16 February 2020 16: 04
      When they voted for the greens, they already showed that their psyche was not in order. Now it’s too late, well bees, birds, Germany will disappear into a country of windmills, electricity prices will increase at times, nonsense, but Greta will praise, is this not a reason to ruin your country?
    24. 0
      16 February 2020 16: 05
      it’s normal, whoever visited the windmills will understand ... they can be heard very well. And people who were not happy even before that were both paws behind; Well, they are stupid people of whom 90% of the world's population. of which only Gretta and her supporters stand.
    25. -1
      16 February 2020 16: 06
      Quote: Antidote
      Since the time of Don Quixote, manufacturing accuracy and balancing have improved somewhat.

      Since the time of this madman, windmills have grown to 300 meters in height, and each one's power has grown to 7 megawatts. No matter how you judge, but a simple comparison of power and the highest efficiency of 90% of the conversion of rotation into electricity, it turns out hundreds of kilowatts of sound power. Put you in the car, block and turn on the acoustics for only half a watt. In a week you will go crazy. The generators include gearboxes that increase the rotation speed of the generator itself. They are noisy. The blade slams, flying overhead.
    26. -2
      16 February 2020 16: 07
      Quote: Bshkaus
      A kindergarten, not an article: I also have a transformer in my dacha village, everything seems to be "For", except for one neighbor, under whose fence the transformer is actually located.
      The trend of "green" energy cannot be reversed, no matter how they mock it in Russia, sitting on oil and gas. It's really eco-friendly, although you can't call it cheap - you have to be realistic.
      What's the problem?

      I don’t know, I think I won’t reveal the secret of the open door if I say that windmills are not paying off at the moment; technology does not allow this yet.
    27. -1
      16 February 2020 16: 13
      Can't be #to think laughing
    28. -1
      16 February 2020 16: 15
      Quote: Bshkaus
      A kindergarten, not an article: I also have a transformer in my dacha village, everything seems to be "For", except for one neighbor, under whose fence the transformer is actually located.
      The trend of "green" energy cannot be reversed, no matter how they mock it in Russia, sitting on oil and gas. It's really eco-friendly, although you can't call it cheap - you have to be realistic.
      What's the problem?
      Do not like the frequencies, take them to separate places and pull the wires to the village, or use a small one, designed only for your site. Not at all, buy a solar battery. But here the stick is also about two ends, the batteries are also not environmentally friendly, and the purchase price is equivalent to the price of 20 years of buying ordinary electricity.
      My opinion, at the same price, the choice is certainly in favor of the environment, not offensive to Gazprom.

      The psychologist took up the matter ...

      Okay, at least not a pathologist laughing
    29. -1
      16 February 2020 16: 15
      The locomotive of the European economy is gradually turning ... Seamlessly turning into elegant ...

      However, let's see. laughing
    30. +2
      16 February 2020 16: 16
      What should we worry about? Quite the contrary, it is in our hands. They will kill nuclear and coal generations - they will buy more gas from Gazprom. They will lose their competence in nuclear energy - they will not get in the way under the feet of Rosatom. Russia is only in the black. It is necessary to send about a dozen Germans to Gret Tumberg - and Germany will become old, without industry, but with windmills, clean air and a good burgher Michel with his frau and kinder on the back of his house - the birds are singing, the sun is shining, the beer is shining again Bavarian, it foams, and around in the fields of cows, cows, cows ... - beauty. laughing
      1. -1
        16 February 2020 17: 45
        Quote: Gennady Fomkin
        and around in the fields of cows, cows, cows ... - beauty.

        No, beauty will not be either. As you know, cows are manure, and manure is methane, and methane is gas, and gas is bottom-up No. , the cows will go under the knife. crying
    31. -1
      16 February 2020 16: 20
      Then the guide said that there is a program to replace electric lighting in the historical part of Prague with gas lamps.

      Czechs have always been the trickiest in Europe. laughing crying wassat
    32. -1
      16 February 2020 16: 21
      For them, mortal sin is poverty. Therefore, here they are trying to lower the competitors to the maximum, so that they can neigh. laughing
    33. -3
      16 February 2020 16: 30
      All the time we have to repeat that the rotor blades of the propeller use only a very small part of the elastic air flow. Therefore, one tower with new devices for converting the energy of the air flow over the entire azimuth is able to give orders of magnitude more energy than the forest of iron giants.
    34. -1
      16 February 2020 16: 40
      Quote: gridasov
      All the time we have to repeat that the rotor blades of the propeller use only a very small part of the elastic air flow. Therefore, one tower with new devices for converting the energy of the air flow over the entire azimuth is able to give orders of magnitude more energy than the forest of iron giants.

      Please share technical khe..khe. design features. laughing
    35. -1
      16 February 2020 16: 48
      I saw in one pretty close to the globe and very spacious country a couple of wind power plants. One small 7-9 windmills, another dozens. For some reason, the little one did not work for a couple of months. Why - I do not presume to judge. I have one type of acquaintance, if someone from the Kantovskaya base reads, then it’s in his Mi-8 garden, I wanted to make a museum for children, but it didn’t grow together. This acquaintance is simply obsessed with windmills. In a neighboring country, they really want to be like an alphabet and windmills like Europe, and not just bite a policeman in London. They built a very impressive power plant, the windmills seem to be Siemens. But something went wrong in the cold season. Generators randomly refuse to work. This guy tackled the problem, it turned out all the trick in one tidy, which freezes. They suggested installing compact heating devices, i.e. an external power source to the generator !!
      It all ended in nothing. Siemens is far away and does not accept uncertified design changes. "Samodelkin" was thrown for money.
      1. +4
        16 February 2020 17: 07
        "They built a very impressive power plant, the wind turbines seem to be from Siemens. But something went wrong in the cold season" ////
        ----
        Common minor technical problems when introducing new technology.
        Look at the first thermal power plants. Today, their designs will cause only bewilderment among engineers: "were the designers stupid?"
        2-3 generations of windmills will change. And the problems will be solved, and the efficiency will increase.
        1. -2
          16 February 2020 17: 20
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Common minor technical problems when introducing new technology.

          Somewhere windmills are quite appropriate. In this case, the installation of windmills was oddly enough. but rather an action of a political nature. Plus he drank money, plus a loss of local competence.
        2. -1
          16 February 2020 19: 02
          "Green energy" = vegetarianism. All "Germans" feel sorry for pigs, but they love pork sausages. After 2-3 generations of wind turbines, a thermonuclear reactor will start operating in Aix-en-Provence (the plan is 2044 2GW of energy).
          1. +1
            16 February 2020 19: 08
            The development of nuclear energy will not bury windmills, solar power plants, etc. There will be parallel development. And gas power plants will not die, of course. Sometimes it is advantageous to centralize energy, sometimes to decentralize as much as possible.
            To ten houses it is unprofitable to pull power lines. There are countries where there is no place for nuclear power plants.
      2. 0
        16 February 2020 18: 51
        This is called power take-off.
        Typical for all types of power plants
        1. -3
          16 February 2020 19: 05
          Quote: Avior
          This is called power take-off.
          Typical for all types of power plants

          The manufacturer is not provided in this case. Presumably the windmill should always be warm what . Make a logical design change a complex bureaucratic process.
          1. 0
            16 February 2020 19: 19
            If the operation of the equipment was guaranteed in a certain temperature range, then claims to the manufacturer, let it change to working. If not, to the designer who laid down the equipment in the project that does not meet the operating conditions.
            Heat is, of course, but it may be economically easier to select for your own needs, this will be a penny from the total amount of energy production
    36. -3
      16 February 2020 17: 24
      Quote: ProkletyiPirat
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      I even thought to put myself in the country

      Wind power in the "summer cottage" version is impossible in principle, since the wind turbine must be 50+ meters high, below 50m the wind speed drops sharply due to friction against the ground (this is without taking into account the terrain). And with such a height, you are required to obtain permits from the state, which is both long and expensive for a private trader / individual entrepreneur.

      That's what I thought with a calculator.
      1. -2
        16 February 2020 17: 37
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        That's what I thought with a calculator.

        We have a lot of people, like you, thought with a calculator, but threw in and stretched out the power line. Much better than gasoline generators. The windmills did not pull. But the cases, however, are different. A wind turbine of one and a half kilowatt stood at the "dacha" of one glimpse of the owner of a tin mine. In the evening he helped a lot, the watchman did not run with cans. The owner has changed, the wind turbine has not been working for 10 years.
    37. -2
      16 February 2020 17: 43
      Yes, having so much free gas from Russia, you can afford any experiments in the energy sector. laughing
    38. -1
      16 February 2020 17: 49
      well done, I hope they listen to them ...
    39. -1
      16 February 2020 17: 51
      The results of the year show that the drawings and plans of our green friends are not proof of anything, but stupidly cut grants for drawing projects and plans. It is clear that all these plans were drawn in the most distant future, with the understanding that in 2030 neither these plans nor these authors will be of interest to anyone. Well, if only for cutting grants on the topic of drawing plans by 2040.

      Most likely, Germany’s plans to switch to elven energy will somehow be covered by something, since the pseudoscience of physics, even if ignored, greatly interferes with ... ka ....

      But the future is uncertain, and due to tearing at bargain prices of our energy resources, Germany may very well be able to successfully kill its energy sector. laughing
    40. -4
      16 February 2020 18: 00
      One would have thought that the Gretatunberg (an analogue of the fashionable Arctic fox) would prove to be deadlier for Europe than a nuclear bombardment. I can’t believe that the Germans came up with this themselves. belay
    41. +1
      16 February 2020 18: 04
      Quote: Shurik70
      Utopia, this "green" energy.

      I think that everything should be in moderation. The system should be combined.
      And why are Honest people so intensely minus?
    42. 0
      16 February 2020 18: 06
      Somehow I had to sit for several hours near a working windmill. Vibration and hum are not very tolerable. After that, I decided not to install a windmill for myself. So not all is well that the green recommend
    43. -2
      16 February 2020 18: 15
      These are temporary fluctuations in the line of the party. Cthulhu Greta, who emerged from the dark depths of the ocean, has long mentally controlled the green politicians. laughing
    44. +3
      16 February 2020 19: 02
      "The motivation of the residents of the village of Bellen in Baden-Württemberg is that wind generators of electricity create frequencies that negatively affect hearing and the human psyche."
      Honestly, yes gentlemen. I agree with friends from Bellen.
      He worked at one time in the city of Sevastopol when he was engaged in sabbaths in terms of construction. Literally after the events of '14. On the neighboring site (well, as the next one ... I think it was a hundred meters, maybe more) there was this very windmill.
      He made sounds, frankly, not pleasing to the ear. But I don’t care. I arrived, I left, at the mnogo-punch scribbling, the concrete mixer is buzzing ... And people, there to live. And listen to this song around the clock.
      True, then it broke for some reason. History is silent from what. And stood lifeless without one wing ...
      In addition, I studied the issue of alternative / free energy supply for example, my home. All these solar panels, etc. As a result of studying the issue, I fell into despondency and a "Martian" depression. And also imbued with the idea that the game is not worth the candles spent on it.
    45. 0
      16 February 2020 19: 10
      Quote: Graz
      hmm, and who is pleased to see a 30-40 meter fool in front of the house every day, and even if the wind will constantly howl from the blades, yes you need to

      Hopelessly behind progress. Admire. No wind howls in the blades — a reducer howls, increasing the generator speed. Is it possible to generate something on those natural turns? To get the desired frequency, you need to have the appropriate speed.

      1. 0
        16 February 2020 20: 34
        Due to the high speed of air flow around the blades, turbulence and "furling" are formed.
        You can take a thick stick and wave it. And then imagine this sound at 70 dB. Well, like a plane flying low.
        1. -1
          17 February 2020 00: 37
          It seems back in the late eighties in Europe they discussed that windmills emit infrasound that is harmful to health.
      2. -2
        16 February 2020 21: 48
        Yes, they seem to explain that the main noise is from the gearbox, but it also comes from the blades, but I don’t know how to describe this noise in words. I just heard it myself and listened to the explanations of ch. an engineer
        1. 0
          17 February 2020 14: 55
          Yes, on TV they showed a plot from such a house, where a windmill is nearby. With sound. Something between fuu and woo, with a little sonorous sound. About once per second.
    46. -1
      16 February 2020 19: 18
      And how much does it cost green energy? In addition, the windmill is noisy. I heard it myself.
    47. +2
      16 February 2020 20: 30
      In the Bundestag, install a simulator of the sound of the blades in all rooms. Also in official cars and apartments of deputies. Without the ability to turn them off for 4 years. Working day and night.
      And then put the green energy to the vote.
      How will the deputies turn green for 4 years?
    48. 0
      16 February 2020 21: 16
      I live in Germany, it is in BV. The problem is that the green won because of the swamp that does not go to the polls. The article says that 49% voted. But from 30%. Here is all the math. It would seem nonsense. A person is intelligent and understands that you can’t get far in windmills. But this same mind does not tell him to go to the polls. But on the other hand, there’s nobody to choose either.)
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    50. 0
      16 February 2020 21: 21
      The tragedy of the German energy experiment is that the almost religious anti-nuclear movement in the country leaves no room for the development of technology. Meanwhile, scientists in the United States, Russia and China believe that it is possible to run nuclear power plants on radioactive waste, which can solve the problem of storing spent fuel elements, and this is one of the main arguments against the nuclear program. Of course, these technologies have their own dangers. But as we move on to fully renewable energy sources, wouldn’t they be the best alternative to coal and gas power plants?
    51. -2
      16 February 2020 21: 28
      Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi
      Due to the high speed of air flow around the blades, turbulence and "furling" are formed.
      You can take a thick stick and wave it. And then imagine this sound at 70 dB. Well, like a plane flying low.

      Who said that the speed there is enormous? The power there is proportional to the cube of the wind speed. And at a speed of 20 meters/sec. (72 km/h) the blades are already turned to slip, otherwise..... And a low-flying plane is 400 km/h.
      1. 0
        16 February 2020 21: 48
        The concentration of wind energy varies widely from 10 W/m2 (with a light breeze of 2,5 m/sec) and up to 41000 W/m2, during a hurricane with a wind speed of 40 meters per second (m/s) or 144 km/h . In general, wind energy is proportional to the cube of wind speed. This means that electrical power is extremely sensitive to wind speed (as wind speed doubles, power increases eightfold).
        The map on this page shows global wind resources. It can be seen that regions with high potential (about 9 m / s) are located in the middle and high latitudes (Antarctica, southern Latin America, Greenland, Northern and Western Europe), as well as in the region of the vast plains and deserts of central North America, Russia, Central Asia and North Africa (approximately 6 m / s).
        The wind speed necessary for generating electricity should be at least 2,5–3 m / s and not more than 10–15 m / s. Many areas of the Earth are not suitable for placement of wind turbines, and almost the same number of areas is characterized by an average wind speed in the range (3–4,5 m / s), which can be an attractive option for generating electricity. However, a significant part of the Earth’s surface is characterized by an average annual wind speed exceeding 4,5 m / s, when wind energy can certainly be economically competitive.
    52. -1
      16 February 2020 21: 41
      Quote: novobranets
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      and around in the fields of cows, cows, cows ... - beauty.

      No, beauty will not be either. As you know, cows are manure, and manure is methane, and methane is gas, and gas is bottom-up No. , the cows will go under the knife. crying

      We must wait until the permafrost melts and the gas escapes into the atmosphere free of charge.
    53. 0
      16 February 2020 23: 41
      Well done Germans:
      -We need clean electricity, we will not depend on hydrocarbons!
      -Here are windmills, a source of clean energy
      -No, we don’t want that kind of energy.
    54. -1
      17 February 2020 07: 52
      Wait a minute, the growth will not drop as much as the free space decreases.
    55. -2
      17 February 2020 08: 39
      The Germans don’t need industry, let them go back to the Middle Ages.
    56. -2
      17 February 2020 11: 27
      I'll soon be wearing skins. good
    57. 0
      17 February 2020 12: 51
      Near houses they will really interfere with their presence. Although one nearby is possible, purely as an observation post for the local open spaces. But if it’s true, this is not a problem when there is a nuclear power plant.
    58. 0
      17 February 2020 13: 36
      Steam locomotives (modern) are not inferior to diesel locomotives in terms of environmental friendliness, although they are 10% inferior in terms of efficiency, in short, it was in vain that this type of transport was completely abandoned, with our coal and gas it would be more profitable to transport cargo not using diesel fuel, but gas turbine locomotives were closed by Khrushchev and since then this direction has not developed.
    59. -2
      17 February 2020 15: 09
      Quote: Iwan_de
      How about schools open with the Internet. The toilet is on the street.

      This is for you to go to Zelts in\to Ukraine, not to VO laughing
    60. 0
      17 February 2020 15: 19
      Quote: Iwan_de
      I read a lot of your comments. Selling Gorbachev. Where have you all been. Russia is the biggest country. WHERE Everyone was, Kazakhstan was 93 rubles

      We all worked like tanks, and served our Motherland to the last (even when we didn’t see any pay for six months), but we lived on the fact that we spent all our free/personal time like tanks so that we could feed our families without prejudice to the service!
      My colonels put tiles on vacation (and they have 50 days with travel), so that for half a year after the vacation the family would have something to live on!
      And then they used their own money/alcohol/magarych/materials/barter to maintain weapons and equipment so that the country would not lose its combat readiness!
      If civilian fagots had not been hanging around on all sorts of Maidans with journalist whores and rotten liberals from the lousy intelligentsia, under the leadership of majors from the rotten party elites, then the USSR would still be alive!
    61. +1
      17 February 2020 16: 22
      We need to install wind turbines like the Danes in the Great Belt Strait
    62. -1
      17 February 2020 23: 19
      I understand them perfectly, only a large tree makes it difficult to sleep in a light breeze.
    63. -1
      18 February 2020 10: 37
      Quote: Alexander X
      Somehow I had to sit for several hours near a working windmill. Vibration and hum are not very tolerable. After that, I decided not to install a windmill for myself. So not all is well that the green recommend

      Absolutely agree. Neither in the comments nor in the note, no one mentioned the hum and vibrations. They're really hellish. Of course, low-frequency, infrasound level, is tough.
    64. -1
      18 February 2020 10: 55
      The truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle. “Green” energy needs the same smart implementation as conventional energy, that’s all. And the implementation is carried out by the “greens” - as a rule, they have grabbed everything from the top and think that everything is simple.
    65. 0
      April 30 2023 11: 39
      this is not energy, but a joke, there is a development that doesn’t need any of this, it can work everywhere, even on the moon, without any fuel and forever

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