How many of those captured by the Red Army near Stalingrad were Soviet citizens

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How many of those captured by the Red Army near Stalingrad were Soviet citizens

In Soviet times, one of the forbidden topics for media coverage was the topic related to the actions of collaborators during the Great Patriotic War. For a long time, the thesis was maintained that Soviet people cannot be a traitor by definition. However, the silence of these facts played a cruel joke in the end, since many traitors of the Fatherland have not yet received the necessary assessment of their actions when the Soviet people brought the Great Victory closer to the front and rear.

An important question is related in this context and how many prisoners of the Red Army were citizens of the Soviet Union. The famous war correspondent Alexander Sladkov raises this topic in his video blog. The specific topic on the channel "Sladkov +" is related to the number of captured Soviet citizens who fought on the side of the Nazis was taken near Stalingrad.



From the movie:

Do not forget that virtually all of Europe fought against the USSR, and not just Germany. The Battle of Stalingrad is one of the greatest battles of the Second World War, where Germans, Slovaks, Czechs, Italians, Hungarians, and Romanians who had state military units up to the armies acted against us.

The question is raised about the activities of police security battalions, which the Nazis actively formed from citizens of the Soviet Union, including immigrants from Western Ukraine. Assault units of varying degrees of readiness were also formed from Soviet citizens, which were also involved on the banks of the Volga.

A video on the Sladkov + channel about the Battle of Stalingrad and how many prisoners of the Red Army were captured by the USSR:

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  1. +8
    16 February 2020 17: 06
    The "castration" of history has never led to anything good.
    The rake is old, but trampled on it again and again.
    1. 0
      16 February 2020 17: 08
      Quote: rocket757
      The "castration" of history has never led to anything good.
      The rake is old, but trampled on it again and again.

      dancing on a "rake" is more incendiary than "salsa" ..
    2. +3
      16 February 2020 17: 42
      I completely agree. That's just the truth it is, each has its own, you know ...
      1. +11
        16 February 2020 17: 53
        Quote: Shahno
        That's just the truth it is, each has its own, you know ...

        True, she is always alone, but the concepts are different. What Berlin took is true. Only now the Poles took it, both Ukrainians and Americans. It will soon turn out that the Germans took Berlin.
        1. +3
          16 February 2020 18: 28
          Vlad, didn’t the Ukrainians serve in our army? Yes, and the Poles were also missing, and the Rokossovsky Pole. But about the Yankees I agree completely. smile
          1. +12
            16 February 2020 20: 34
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Vlad, didn’t the Ukrainians serve in our army?

            I’ll answer again that the Soviet people served in the Red Army, and there were more than 80 nations in the USSR, or even more. And the same many Poles, like Rokossovsky, were Soviet citizens, like my paternal grandmother.
            1. 0
              22 February 2020 19: 39
              Quote: tihonmarine
              I’ll answer again that the Soviet people served in the Red Army, and there were more than 80 nations in the USSR, or even more. And the same many Poles, like Rokossovsky, were Soviet citizens, like my paternal grandmother.

              citizenship and nationality are not identical concepts, a nation \ nationality and a people \ nationality are different concepts, if for the simple reason not every nation becomes a nation.
              1. 0
                22 February 2020 20: 53
                Quote: Sunstorm
                citizenship and nationality are not identical concepts

                Correctly. And from Ukraine, many Russians are fighting against the Donetsk republics.
          2. 0
            27 February 2020 13: 43
            Citizens of the USSR served in the Red and then the Soviet Army and Navy and were not divided according to nationality. Can you tell how many and which nations participated in the liberation of the country and Berlin? No? Well then, there’s no need to talk and write about it. There was a single army beyond the envy of your desires to divide it into national corners.
            1. 0
              27 February 2020 16: 29
              I didn't understand the meaning of your philippics. What makes you think that I have a desire to "divide the army into national corners"? I answered a specific person for his specific post, and nothing more. As for the history of my country, I know as well as anyone else about the ethnic composition of our units that took Berlin.
              I do not know where and when you served, but during my three years of military service (66-69) we have never had a division along ethnic lines, only "young - pheasant - old man". So you have all the shots missing - adjust the optics. hi
      2. -1
        21 February 2020 18: 58
        About Ukrainian nationalists at Stalingrad, really. They fought worse than the Germans. The Germans didn’t do what these "fancy lads" did. A German officer saved mine from the "warriors of light".
    3. 0
      17 February 2020 01: 19
      However, we must not forget that all people are different, sometimes it’s possible to tell the truth to a clever person who does not know how to analyze the facts conveyed to him in verbal form, it means getting a panicist who knows what he was told and can do harm, unlike who does not know these facts. No, and never have we had enough propagandists who know how to chew people into an unpleasant but truthful fact.
      1. +1
        17 February 2020 05: 07
        And so it’s not good, otherwise it’s bad too!
        When they begin to "dose" the truth, for example, there is always a risk of getting carried away in this matter.
        Then, to limit information, it means trying to hinder the development of man, in one form or another ... unacceptable! And also because, on the other hand, a person who is more knowledgeable and developed may turn out to be.
        "Feed" a person only with chewing gum !!! Teeth, jaw muscles are degrading! Here he will need something to eat! And he can't! Fraught.
    4. +1
      1 March 2020 14: 44
      Why not ? Castrat immediately became calmer, could concentrate on a specific goal and achieve it, sect, castrati before the revolution was the richest community, there are from photographs on the internet, if anyone is interested, and in antiquity it was not out of the ordinary, remember the Chinese dynasties , there statesmen were among them who left a mark on history. The very existence of a member does not yet guarantee that the person wearing it (the fly even has one, half the size of the body) will be necessarily smart and talented, there are more than enough examples when this was the opposite !!!
      1. 0
        1 March 2020 16: 09
        History always points to E! Who is dominating now? Who ALWAYS dominates in the end?
  2. +8
    16 February 2020 17: 12
    "In Soviet times, one of the taboo topics for media coverage was the topic associated with the actions of collaborators during the Great Patriotic War. For a long time, the thesis was supported that a Soviet person cannot be a traitor by definition." - And the show trials of the traitors identified by the IV Directorate were replicated throughout the country ..
    1. +5
      16 February 2020 18: 03
      In Soviet times, one of the forbidden topics for media coverage was a topic related to the actions of collaborators during the years of World War II.
      Well, not so forbidden, but they just did not inflate now. Just in moderation. And they wrote about Vlasovites, and about the various SS formations and punitive battalions we knew. And there were show courts. The last one that I remember was in Gzhatsk (Gagarin) in the early 70s. But about all the non-brothers, that is, Western Ukrainians, Balts, Poles and various Turkestans, they tried to remain silent. More than 90% of the USSR population probably did not know about the Volyn massacre.
      1. +3
        16 February 2020 18: 40
        In 1986 in Minsk there was a trial of Vasyura, the chief of staff of 118 Ukrainian police battalions. People were outraged that this freak was shot and not hanged. Although they said that the Germans burned Khatyn, but the people knew that they were Ukrainian. policemen. Personally, I heard this for the first time at the opening of the Memorial in 1969 from the mouth of Kaminsky, during his speech. In 1977, there was a trial in Minsk over the Tonka machine gunner from the RONA brigade. Only specialists knew about Lokot Republic in those days.
  3. +16
    16 February 2020 17: 19
    One thing I cannot understand - why did Sladkov start studying this issue, and not, say, how many Poles were taken prisoner by our soldiers? Jews? Bulgarians, etc., etc., etc. In a word, those who allegedly did not fight against us? He wants to show how many "ideological" fighters there were against Soviet power? We know a lot. But our fathers and grandfathers ground them all.
    1. +8
      16 February 2020 17: 33
      And I, as a Ukrainian, would be interested to know how many of my "countrymen" are on the side of the Nazis, they fought against my grandfathers from the Red Army and what became of them in captivity. Maybe now there would be fewer stubborn Natsiks if this topic had been covered earlier.
      1. 0
        16 February 2020 18: 11
        Quote: Dur_mod
        And I, as a Ukrainian, would be interested to know how many of my "countrymen" are on the side of the Nazis, they fought against my grandfathers from the Red Army and what became of them in captivity.

        You can find it on the Internet, I saw it somewhere, but I saw live those who fought against the RRKA and were held captive, where I lived in the Chita region, this was until 1957. They sawed taiga, uranium and gold dug in mines. Khrushchev began to release.
        1. 0
          16 February 2020 18: 54
          Beria also began, look for Spitsin.
          1. -1
            16 February 2020 20: 37
            Quote: mat-vey
            Beria also began, look for Spitsin.

            Why should I look, the camps were where I lived, and I saw everything, and not some kind of Spitsin.
            1. 0
              17 February 2020 05: 43
              This is how much you need to multiply in order to take all the camps under control. Yes, and to read all orders, decrees daily ...
              Although if Spitsyn is "some sort" ...
              1. -2
                17 February 2020 06: 55
                Quote: mat-vey
                This is how much you need to multiply in order to take all the camps under control. Yes, and to read all orders, decrees daily ...

                Near the village we had just such a camp of prisoner of war banderlogs, and it was enough to see when the camp was liquidated.
                1. 0
                  17 February 2020 06: 59
                  And it’s clear that all Bandera’s people were in this camp ... Not well, or all the orders of the Beria’s department passed through you .. Well, turn on common sense.
        2. 0
          1 March 2020 14: 57
          Beria began to release them, because under Stalin he could not single-handedly stop the overclocked flywheel of repression, he understood how many people were sitting for nothing, and only after his death, when it was already impossible to hesitate, he prepared an amnesty for the "cold summer of 1953" my mother and father met in the camp and after this amnesty I was born in August 1954, so I owe my birth to Lavrenty Palych, whatever one may say !!!
      2. -1
        16 February 2020 18: 44
        In 2006, the Analytical Directorate of the Federation Council issued two Information Digests on this topic. I believe that this is the most reliable information at this point.
        1. -1
          16 February 2020 20: 57
          To blame, the name indicated is incorrect. Correctly Analytical Bulletin. Here is where you can download: http://council.gov.ru/activity/analytics/analytical_bulletins/25776/ and http://council.gov.ru/activity/analytics/analytical_bulletins/25762/, believe me, very interesting information.
    2. 0
      16 February 2020 17: 34
      This is also in the subject, which ... cut, t.s.
      And now it’s hard to collect all the elements of this puzzle, what will happen next, when will there be nobody to remember?
      I doubt that there will come a period of universal love and friendship. The world and society in which we all live are not so norms.
    3. -3
      16 February 2020 18: 00
      Bulgarians, etc., etc., etc.

      And I want to know how much Bulgarian citizens was captured?
      In a word, those who supposedly did not fight against us?

      So after making conclusions whether or not they fought!
      1. +2
        16 February 2020 18: 23
        Quote: pytar
        So after making conclusions whether or not they fought!

        In order to draw such conclusions, it is not necessary to capture. In the video clip, the historian of the Battle of Stalingrad clearly speaks of the Bulgarian pilots who fought on the side of Hitler.
        1. +2
          16 February 2020 18: 56
          Krasnoyarsk. Not only the pilots were. The SS troops included the Bulgarian SS anti-tank brigade (1st Bulgarian) (German SS Panzer-Zerstörer Brigade (bulgarische Nr. 1)
          1. -1
            16 February 2020 20: 08
            Krasnoyarsk. Not only the pilots were. The SS troops included the Bulgarian SS anti-tank brigade (1st Bulgarian) (German SS Panzer-Zerstörer Brigade (bulgarische Nr. 1)

            The only documentary evidence is the order of Himpler from October 44 on the creation of such a unit. Is it unknown whether it existed? All stories are based on gentle retelling. Moreover, the author of the first story himself is known, it was created as an artistic story in the early 90's. Myth or truth, whoever he wants to thinks. He writes in publications that defectors and Bulgarians, citizens of Hungary, Austria and Germany (approx. 700 people) entered the BPB. Bulgaria from September 1944 joined in the war against Germany and approx. 200 soldiers deserted in Germany, fleeing from the Communists. This mythical division was not involved in any battles. Although fairy tales from time to time are becoming more and more colorful. lol
        2. +3
          16 February 2020 19: 56
          In the video clip, the historian of the Battle of Stalingrad clearly speaks of the Bulgarian pilots who fought on the side of Hitler.

          I heard this "historian" a month or two ago. He said that "Bulgarian pilots shot down about 200 Soviet aircraft at Stalingra" d. And then he poured out where he "found out" ... From a German propagandistic military-field newspaper. laughing Gebels told him, but he believed! I wonder if that "historian" read further how the Germans "shoot down 5-10 thousand Soviet planes every day and destroy the same number of tanks"! fool Bulgaria is only ~ 70 pilots and just as many fighters. Of them, ~ 30 are modern. All of them were busy fighting off the armada of American bombers in the skies of Bulgaria. Usually in a ratio of 10X1 in the crawl of the Anglo-Britons. Absolutely everything - flight, schedules, personality and fate of the flight and technical personnel of the Bulgarian Air Force, is 100% documented. There are no mysteries or secrets. In short, when ordinary Internet users are delirious, it is forgiven, but when a "learned" person raves on TV, it is already criminal! hi
          1. 0
            17 February 2020 17: 10

            Information on the pilots in the photo:
            Second Lieutenant Petar Bochev - 4 wins (3 B-17, 1 B-24).
            Lieutenant Chudomir Teplodolski - 3 wins (1 B-24 and 2 P-38),
            Lieutenant Stoyan Stoyanov 5 wins (1B-24D, B-17, 2 P-38 and 1 B-24 in the group. + 3 damaged Liberators)
            Second Lieutenant Hristo Krastev - 1 victory (B-24 + 2 damaged Liberators)
            Information from waralbum.ru
            1. -1
              17 February 2020 22: 55
              Petar Bochev - after 09.09.1944. involved in the war against Germany. October 5th, 3/6 outgoing. bracken / squadron / goes on the attack the German motorcyclone and artillery position along the road Kriva Palanka - Kumanovo. Bochev’s plane gets hits, manages to land, but a second later explodes. Petar Bochev posthumously promoted to the rank of lieutenant.
              Lieutenant Chudomir Teplodolski - Commander 3/6 of the destroyer bracken / eskadril /. After a serious illness, from August 1944, he transferred to the Air Force headquarters / Command Center of the Flight Administration in Boyana /, where he served until the end of the war.
              Lieutenant Stoyan Stoyanov - after 09 he takes part in combat flights against the German troops retreating to the north to Yugoslavia. At the beginning of 09.1944, the first switched to the Yak-1945M and trained Bulgarian pilots to fly on it. 9 - chief for consumer aviation, 1947 - chief of combat training of the Air Force, 949 - deputy. com Air defense.
              Second Lieutenant Hristo Krastev - dies on June 11, 44 in a battle with the Americans over Sofia. 2018 near Gorn Banya, the found remains of Me109G. Probably an ego plane.
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  4. +3
    16 February 2020 17: 40
    How all this is disgusting and embarrassing ... Thanks to my grandfather for fighting honestly and bravely throughout the war. Even my grandson has nothing to be ashamed of ..
    1. +1
      16 February 2020 17: 51
      And there are millions of them, but now they are trying to make them either guilty of something, or that they won in spite of others the same ..
  5. +12
    16 February 2020 17: 50
    Sladkov is a pure market analyst. I can not stand it since the time of Serdyukov !!! Taburetkin sang such praises ...
    And as for the specifically described subject about the silence of collaborationism in the USSR - look at Soviet films in which there were traitor policemen. ("Eternal Call", "Ascent", "Come and See", etc., etc.)
    No one was silent about anything !!
    Again Sladkov "drives" the conjugal and lies!
    1. +3
      16 February 2020 18: 12
      And how will they be silent? As a child, I remember that in our city there was an area where the traitors settled, after serving time. We are already the grandchildren of the war veterans, we constantly beat their grandchildren. Of course they were snotty, but at that age they understood who these traitors and policemen were.
  6. +3
    16 February 2020 18: 09
    So this is state policy. Documents on the Great Patriotic War have not yet been declassified. What is secret about the fact that the world's leading companies supplied Hitler? France of the type "fought" with the Nazis - 10 thousand partisans Czech Republic handed over its weapons to the Germans against signature under the act. as well as the French If they do not poke their noses into this shit. then they will start blaming us. that it was we who supplied Hitler The Balts are constantly calculating the losses from the "occupation" And what prevents our authorities from attracting scientists. to calculate our damage from their participation in the Hitlerite campaign against the USSR and subsequent spending on the restoration of their economy? The answer is: an absolutely toothless foreign policy "Tolstoyans" in power are always ready to get a slap in the face and turn the other cheek on the spot
    1. 0
      16 February 2020 20: 14
      such information should appear dosed and most importantly at the right time. if properly applied by such documents, these companies can simply be collapsed. do not go with trump cards until the game has begun. this is politics.
  7. 0
    16 February 2020 19: 02
    Yes, the topic!
  8. +2
    16 February 2020 19: 48
    Soviet man cannot be a traitor by definition, otherwise he is not Soviet. Like Gorbachev.
  9. 0
    16 February 2020 22: 04
    In, they again started a song about the traitor, then they smoothly passed that they were fighting the Soviet regime, then the song would start about the dissidents and the whole country was in camps.
    The campaign launched a new TSU - to blame the Soviet regime and Stalin, because before they went too far with praise.
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  11. +1
    17 February 2020 06: 49
    Now it is already said, not the capture of Budapest, but the liberation. Although the medal speaks of this unequivocally. If you take our literature, there is very little room for traitors and people who go over to the side of the occupiers. We want our people to know the whole truth. And preferably about the past. What was classified as "Top Secret" has passed into the information field. And no matter what impact it will have on a person. You give the whole truth!
  12. 0
    17 February 2020 08: 38
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    One thing I cannot understand - why did Sladkov start studying this issue, and not, say, how many Poles were taken prisoner by our soldiers? Jews? Bulgarians, etc., etc., etc. In a word, those who allegedly did not fight against us? He wants to show how many "ideological" fighters there were against Soviet power? We know a lot. But our fathers and grandfathers ground them all.

    I see it because we need to objectively imagine how many of our citizens today will refuse "loyalty to the flag." Remember how mattresses entered Iraq? who resisted them - and who did not?
    From the old days I remember these problems that we hushed up
  13. 0
    17 February 2020 11: 22
    There was a correct information policy aimed at a quiet coexistence of different nationalities and peace in the country. Nobody kindled, but the work at the level of the special services was quite adequate. And now the "truth-tellers" have come out. It is enough to look at their vicious faces to understand their true motives ...
    1. +2
      17 February 2020 13: 48
      we can agree with you that, as you say, a “correct information policy” was conducted, but it was impossible to hush up the real reasons for the betrayal. after all, without revealing these reasons, our Soviet people, for the most part, were very surprised to find quite a few traitors in the leadership of the USSR. Here, for example, an excerpt from the interrogation of a German agent ............ "Among the Chechens and Ingush, I easily found the right people, ready to betray, go over to the side of the Germans and serve them.

      I was surprised: what are these people unhappy with? Under the Soviet regime, Chechens and Ingush lived prosperously, in abundance, much better than in pre-revolutionary times, which I personally became convinced of after more than 4 months in the territory of Chechen-Ingushetia.

      The Chechens and Ingush, I repeat, do not need anything, which struck me when I recalled the difficult conditions and constant deprivation in which the mountain emigration in Turkey and Germany found itself. I could not find any other explanation, except that these people from the Chechens and Ingush, the treasonous moods in relation to their homeland, were guided by selfish considerations, the desire under the Germans to preserve at least the remnants of their well-being, to provide a service in compensation for which the invaders would have left at least a part of what they had. cattle and food, land and dwellings "................ about the same and spoke about the Latvians, chief of SD Ekkeln, during interrogations. and everywhere there is a red line - self-seeking! and all these fables about the struggle against the Soviet regime, and other nonsense, to justify their actions.and it seems to me that the Soviet authorities, then, should have often quoted such excerpts from interrogations so that people knew what guided the traitors in their actions.
  14. -1
    20 February 2020 09: 55
    Do not forget that virtually all of Europe fought against the USSR, and not just Germany. The Battle of Stalingrad is one of the greatest battles of World War II, where Germans, Slovaks, and Czechs acted against us.

    Czechs did not fight against the USSR during the Great Patriotic War !!!
    Slovaks unfortunately yes.

    Marzel
    Former Czechoslovakia
  15. -2
    22 February 2020 00: 06
    The task of the Communist Party was to conquer, under the guise of world revolution, world domination. We were assigned the role of cannon fodder. Lenin said: "Let 90% of Russians die, if only 10% live to see the world revolution." In the First World War, less than 2 million Russians died, and Lenin put either 13 or 15 million in the ground, they cannot count, but how many he starved to death and shot. Stalin starved and shot, slandering honest people, took command of the Red Army before the war, but being stupid, as the miners say: like three members together, he upset the command of the troops and the army was perfectly trained, armed to the teeth (look on the Internet, how many we had military equipment) was crushed on the head, and 27 million were lost. And in the richest country in the world we lived like beggars. We had ⅔ of the black earth of the planet.
    And no one is ashamed, turned into monkeys.
    Nikolai Ivleev, the only poet in Russia, except for Pushkin, who owns the Onegin stanza.
  16. 0
    25 March 2020 16: 02
    Why release a non-screen of such a "historian"?

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