How many of those captured by the Red Army near Stalingrad were Soviet citizens

How many of those captured by the Red Army near Stalingrad were Soviet citizens

In Soviet times, one of the forbidden topics for media coverage was the topic related to the actions of collaborators during the Great Patriotic War. For a long time, the thesis was maintained that Soviet people cannot be a traitor by definition. However, the silence of these facts played a cruel joke in the end, since many traitors of the Fatherland have not yet received the necessary assessment of their actions when the Soviet people brought the Great Victory closer to the front and rear.


An important question is related in this context and how many prisoners of the Red Army were citizens of the Soviet Union. The famous war correspondent Alexander Sladkov raises this topic in his video blog. The specific topic on the channel "Sladkov +" is related to the number of captured Soviet citizens who fought on the side of the Nazis was taken near Stalingrad.

From the movie:

Do not forget that virtually all of Europe fought against the USSR, and not just Germany. The Battle of Stalingrad is one of the greatest battles of the Second World War, where Germans, Slovaks, Czechs, Italians, Hungarians, and Romanians who had state military units up to the armies acted against us.

The question is raised about the activities of police security battalions, which the Nazis actively formed from citizens of the Soviet Union, including immigrants from Western Ukraine. Assault units of varying degrees of readiness were also formed from Soviet citizens, which were also involved on the banks of the Volga.

A video on the Sladkov + channel about the Battle of Stalingrad and how many prisoners of the Red Army were captured by the USSR:

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  1. rocket757 16 February 2020 17: 06 New
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    The "castration" of history has never led to anything good.
    The rake is old, but trampled on it again and again.
    1. Aerodrome 16 February 2020 17: 08 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      The "castration" of history has never led to anything good.
      The rake is old, but trampled on it again and again.

      dance on the "rake" - incendiary "salsa" ..
    2. Shahno 16 February 2020 17: 42 New
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      I completely agree. That's just the truth it is, each has its own, you know ...
      1. tihonmarine 16 February 2020 17: 53 New
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        Quote: Shahno
        That's just the truth it is, each has its own, you know ...

        True, she is always alone, but the concepts are different. What Berlin took is true. Only now the Poles took it, both Ukrainians and Americans. It will soon turn out that the Germans took Berlin.
        1. Catfish 16 February 2020 18: 28 New
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          Vlad, didn’t the Ukrainians serve in our army? Yes, and the Poles were also missing, and the Rokossovsky Pole. But about the Yankees I agree completely. smile
          1. tihonmarine 16 February 2020 20: 34 New
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            Quote: Sea Cat
            Vlad, didn’t the Ukrainians serve in our army?

            I’ll answer again that the Soviet people served in the Red Army, and there were more than 80 nations in the USSR, or even more. And the same many Poles, like Rokossovsky, were Soviet citizens, like my paternal grandmother.
            1. Sunstorm 22 February 2020 19: 39 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              I’ll answer again that the Soviet people served in the Red Army, and there were more than 80 nations in the USSR, or even more. And the same many Poles, like Rokossovsky, were Soviet citizens, like my paternal grandmother.

              citizenship and nationality are not identical concepts, a nation \ nationality and a people \ nationality are different concepts, if for the simple reason not every nation becomes a nation.
              1. tihonmarine 22 February 2020 20: 53 New
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                Quote: Sunstorm
                citizenship and nationality are not identical concepts

                Correctly. And from Ukraine, many Russians are fighting against the Donetsk republics.
          2. Afghan1979 27 February 2020 13: 43 New
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            Citizens of the USSR served in the Red and then the Soviet Army and Navy and were not divided according to nationality. Can you tell how many and which nations participated in the liberation of the country and Berlin? No? Well then, there’s no need to talk and write about it. There was a single army beyond the envy of your desires to divide it into national corners.
            1. Catfish 27 February 2020 16: 29 New
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              I do not understand the meaning of your philippics. What makes you think that I have a desire to "divide the army into national corners"? I answered a specific person to his specific post, and nothing more. As for the history of my country, I know no worse than everyone else about the national composition of our units that took Berlin.
              I don’t know where and when you served, but in the three years of my military service (66-69) we never had a division based on nationality, only "young - pheasant - old man." So you have all the shots past - adjust the optics. hi
      2. 2112vda 21 February 2020 18: 58 New
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        About Ukrainian nationalists near Stalingrad, true. Fiercely worse than the Germans. The Germans didn’t do what these "garner boys" did. My German officer saved me from the "warriors of light".
    3. Chaldon48 17 February 2020 01: 19 New
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      However, we must not forget that all people are different, sometimes it’s possible to tell the truth to a clever person who does not know how to analyze the facts conveyed to him in verbal form, it means getting a panicist who knows what he was told and can do harm, unlike who does not know these facts. No, and never have we had enough propagandists who know how to chew people into an unpleasant but truthful fact.
      1. rocket757 17 February 2020 05: 07 New
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        And so it’s not good, otherwise it’s bad too!
        When they begin to "dose" the truth, for example, there is always a risk of getting carried away in this matter.
        Then, to limit information, it means trying to hinder the development of man, in one form or another ... unacceptable! And also because, on the other hand, a person who is more knowledgeable and developed may turn out to be.
        "Feed" a person only chewing gum !!! Teeth, jaw muscles are degrading! Here he will need something to eat !!! But he can’t! It is fraught.
    4. Vladimir Ilyich 1 March 2020 14: 44 New
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      Why not ? Castrat immediately became calmer, could concentrate on a specific goal and achieve it, sect, castrati before the revolution was the richest community, there are from photographs on the internet, if anyone is interested, and in antiquity it was not out of the ordinary, remember the Chinese dynasties , there statesmen were among them who left a mark on history. The very existence of a member does not yet guarantee that the person wearing it (the fly even has one, half the size of the body) will be necessarily smart and talented, there are more than enough examples when this was the opposite !!!
      1. rocket757 1 March 2020 16: 09 New
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        History always points to E! Who is dominating now? Who ALWAYS dominates in the end?
  2. mat-vey 16 February 2020 17: 12 New
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    "In Soviet times, one of the forbidden topics for media coverage was the topic related to the actions of collaborators during the Great Patriotic War. For a long time, the thesis that Soviet people could not be a traitor by definition was supported." - And the show trials over the traitors identified by the IV Department throughout the country were replicated ..
    1. tihonmarine 16 February 2020 18: 03 New
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      In Soviet times, one of the forbidden topics for media coverage was a topic related to the actions of collaborators during the years of World War II.
      Well, not so forbidden, but they just did not inflate now. Just in moderation. And they wrote about Vlasovites, and about the various SS formations and punitive battalions we knew. And there were show courts. The last one that I remember was in Gzhatsk (Gagarin) in the early 70s. But about all the non-brothers, that is, Western Ukrainians, Balts, Poles and various Turkestans, they tried to remain silent. More than 90% of the USSR population probably did not know about the Volyn massacre.
      1. Alexga 16 February 2020 18: 40 New
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        In 1986 in Minsk there was a trial of Vasyura, the chief of staff of 118 Ukrainian police battalions. People were outraged that this freak was shot and not hanged. Although they said that the Germans burned Khatyn, but the people knew that they were Ukrainian. policemen. Personally, I heard this for the first time at the opening of the Memorial in 1969 from the mouth of Kaminsky, during his speech. In 1977, there was a trial in Minsk over the Tonka machine gunner from the RONA brigade. Only specialists knew about Lokot Republic in those days.
  3. Krasnoyarsk 16 February 2020 17: 19 New
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    One thing I can’t understand is why did Sladkov start studying this issue, and not, say, how many Poles were captured by our soldiers? Jews? Bulgarians, etc., etc., etc., In a word, those who, supposedly, did not fight against us? He wants to show how many "ideological" fighters against the Soviet regime? We know a lot. But our fathers and grandfathers ground them all.
    1. Dur_mod 16 February 2020 17: 33 New
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      And I, as a Ukrainian, would be interested to know how many of my "countrymen" on the side of the Nazis fought against my grandfathers from the Red Army and what was captured with them. Maybe now there would be less stubborn Natsik if they had covered this topic earlier.
      1. tihonmarine 16 February 2020 18: 11 New
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        Quote: Dur_mod
        And I, as a Ukrainian, would be interested to know how many of my "countrymen" on the side of the Nazis fought against my grandfathers from the Red Army and what was captured with them.

        You can find it on the Internet, I saw it somewhere, but I saw live those who fought against the RRKA and were held captive, where I lived in the Chita region, this was until 1957. They sawed taiga, uranium and gold dug in mines. Khrushchev began to release.
        1. mat-vey 16 February 2020 18: 54 New
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          Beria also began, look for Spitsin.
          1. tihonmarine 16 February 2020 20: 37 New
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            Beria also began, look for Spitsin.

            Why should I look, the camps were where I lived, and I saw everything, and not some kind of Spitsin.
            1. mat-vey 17 February 2020 05: 43 New
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              This is how much you need to multiply in order to take all the camps under control. Yes, and to read all orders, decrees daily ...
              Although if Spitsyn is "some sort of" ...
              1. tihonmarine 17 February 2020 06: 55 New
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                Quote: mat-vey
                This is how much you need to multiply in order to take all the camps under control. Yes, and to read all orders, decrees daily ...

                Near the village we had just such a camp of prisoner of war banderlogs, and it was enough to see when the camp was liquidated.
                1. mat-vey 17 February 2020 06: 59 New
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                  And it’s clear that all Bandera’s people were in this camp ... Not well, or all the orders of the Beria’s department passed through you .. Well, turn on common sense.
        2. Vladimir Ilyich 1 March 2020 14: 57 New
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          Beria began to let them out, because under Stalin he could not stop the repressed flywheel alone, he could understand how many people were sitting for nothing, and only after his death, when it was already impossible to hesitate, he prepared an amnesty for the “cold summer of 1953” my mother and father met in the camp and after this amnesty I was born in August 1954, so that, whatever one may say, I owe Lavrenty Palych my appearance !!!
      2. Alexga 16 February 2020 18: 44 New
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        In 2006, the Analytical Directorate of the Federation Council issued two Information Digests on this topic. I believe that this is the most reliable information at this point.
        1. Alexga 16 February 2020 20: 57 New
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          To blame, the name indicated is incorrect. Correctly Analytical Bulletin. Here is where you can download: http://council.gov.ru/activity/analytics/analytical_bulletins/25776/ and http://council.gov.ru/activity/analytics/analytical_bulletins/25762/, believe me, very interesting information.
    2. rocket757 16 February 2020 17: 34 New
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      This is also in the subject, which ... cut, t.s.
      And now it’s hard to collect all the elements of this puzzle, what will happen next, when will there be nobody to remember?
      I doubt that there will come a period of universal love and friendship. The world and society in which we all live are not so norms.
    3. pytar 16 February 2020 18: 00 New
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      Bulgarians, etc., etc., etc.

      And I want to know how much Bulgarian citizens was captured?
      In a word, those who supposedly did not fight against us?

      So after making conclusions whether or not they fought!
      1. Krasnoyarsk 16 February 2020 18: 23 New
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        Quote: pytar
        So after making conclusions whether or not they fought!

        In order to draw such conclusions, it is not necessary to capture. In the video clip, the historian of the Battle of Stalingrad clearly speaks of the Bulgarian pilots who fought on the side of Hitler.
        1. Lionnvrsk 16 February 2020 18: 56 New
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          Krasnoyarsk. Not only the pilots were. The SS troops included the Bulgarian SS anti-tank brigade (1st Bulgarian) (German SS Panzer-Zerstörer Brigade (bulgarische Nr. 1)
          1. pytar 16 February 2020 20: 08 New
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            Krasnoyarsk. Not only the pilots were. The SS troops included the Bulgarian SS anti-tank brigade (1st Bulgarian) (German SS Panzer-Zerstörer Brigade (bulgarische Nr. 1)

            The only documentary evidence is the order of Himpler from October 44 on the creation of such a unit. Is it unknown whether it existed? All stories are based on gentle retelling. Moreover, the author of the first story himself is known, it was created as an artistic story in the early 90's. Myth or truth, whoever he wants to thinks. He writes in publications that defectors and Bulgarians, citizens of Hungary, Austria and Germany (approx. 700 people) entered the BPB. Bulgaria from September 1944 joined in the war against Germany and approx. 200 soldiers deserted in Germany, fleeing from the Communists. This mythical division was not involved in any battles. Although fairy tales from time to time are becoming more and more colorful. lol
        2. pytar 16 February 2020 19: 56 New
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          In the video clip, the historian of the Battle of Stalingrad clearly speaks of the Bulgarian pilots who fought on the side of Hitler.

          I heard this "historian" a month or two ago. He said that "Bulgarian pilots shot down about 200 Soviet aircraft at Stalingra" And then he burst out from where he “found out” ... From a German propaganda military field newspaper. laughing Goebels told him, but he believed! Is it interesting that the “historian” continued to read how the Germans “shoot down 5-10 thousand every day. Sov. Planes and destroy as many tanks”! fool Bulgaria only ~ 70 pilot and fighter. There are ~ 30 of them. All of them were busy fighting off the armadas of Amer’s bombers in the sky of Bulgaria. Usually in the ratio of 10X1 to crawl the Anglo-Britons. Absolutely everything - flight, schedules, personality and fate of the flight and technical personnel of the Bulgarian Air Force, is 100% documented. There are no riddles and secrets. In short, when ordinary Internet users are delirious, this is simple, but when a person is "learned" he raves on television, it’s already criminal! hi
          1. Blue fox 17 February 2020 17: 10 New
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            Information on the pilots in the photo:
            Second Lieutenant Petar Bochev - 4 wins (3 B-17, 1 B-24).
            Lieutenant Chudomir Teplodolski - 3 wins (1 B-24 and 2 P-38),
            Lieutenant Stoyan Stoyanov 5 wins (1B-24D, B-17, 2 P-38 and 1 B-24 in the group. + 3 damaged Liberators)
            Second Lieutenant Hristo Krastev - 1 victory (B-24 + 2 damaged Liberators)
            Information from waralbum.ru
            1. pytar 17 February 2020 22: 55 New
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              Petar Bochev - after 09.09.1944. involved in the war against Germany. October 5th, 3/6 outgoing. bracken / squadron / goes on the attack the German motorcyclone and artillery position along the road Kriva Palanka - Kumanovo. Bochev’s plane gets hits, manages to land, but a second later explodes. Petar Bochev posthumously promoted to the rank of lieutenant.
              Lieutenant Chudomir Teplodolski - Commander 3/6 of the destroyer bracken / eskadril /. After a serious illness, from August 1944, he transferred to the Air Force headquarters / Command Center of the Flight Administration in Boyana /, where he served until the end of the war.
              Lieutenant Stoyan Stoyanov - after 09 he takes part in combat flights against the German troops retreating to the north to Yugoslavia. At the beginning of 09.1944, the first switched to the Yak-1945M and trained Bulgarian pilots to fly on it. 9 - chief for consumer aviation, 1947 - chief of combat training of the Air Force, 949 - deputy. com Air defense.
              Second Lieutenant Hristo Krastev - dies on June 11, 44 in a battle with the Americans over Sofia. 2018 near Gorn Banya, the found remains of Me109G. Probably an ego plane.
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  4. Andrei Nikolaevich 16 February 2020 17: 40 New
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    How all this is disgusting and embarrassing ... Thanks to my grandfather for fighting honestly and bravely throughout the war. Even my grandson has nothing to be ashamed of ..
    1. mat-vey 16 February 2020 17: 51 New
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      And there are millions of them, but now they are trying to make them either guilty of something, or that they won in spite of others the same ..
  5. Valery Valery 16 February 2020 17: 50 New
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    Sladkov is a pure market analyst. I can not stand it since the time of Serdyukov !!! Taburetkin sang such praises ...
    And as for the specifically described subject about the suppression of collaboration in the USSR - yes, look at Soviet films in which there were traitors-policemen. (Eternal Call, Ascension, Go and See, etc., etc.)
    No one was silent about anything !!
    Again Sladkov conjuncture "drives" and lies !!
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich 16 February 2020 18: 12 New
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      And how will they be silent? As a child, I remember that in our city there was an area where the traitors settled, after serving time. We are already the grandchildren of the war veterans, we constantly beat their grandchildren. Of course they were snotty, but at that age they understood who these traitors and policemen were.
  6. Cossack 471 16 February 2020 18: 09 New
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    So this is government policy. The documents on the Great Patriotic War are still not declassified. What is the secret of the fact that the leading world companies supplied Hitler? France of the type of "fought" with the Nazis - 10 thousand partisans of the Czech Republic under the signature on the act transferred their weapons to the Germans. as well as the French If you do not poke their nose into this shit. then they will begin to blame us. that it was we who supplied Hitler. The Baltic states all the time calculate the losses from the "occupation" And what prevents our authorities from attracting scientists. to calculate our damage from their participation in the Nazi campaign against the USSR and the subsequent expenses for the restoration of their economy? The answer is: the absolutely toothless foreign policy “Tolstoyans” in power are always ready to get a slap in the face and immediately turn the second cheek
    1. carstorm 11 16 February 2020 20: 14 New
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      such information should appear dosed and most importantly at the right time. if properly applied by such documents, these companies can simply be collapsed. do not go with trump cards until the game has begun. this is politics.
  7. 113262a 16 February 2020 19: 02 New
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    Yes, the topic!
  8. Sergey Averchenkov 16 February 2020 19: 48 New
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    Soviet man cannot be a traitor by definition, otherwise he is not Soviet. Like Gorbachev.
  9. 75 Sergey 16 February 2020 22: 04 New
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    In, they again started a song about the traitor, then they smoothly passed that they were fighting the Soviet regime, then the song would start about the dissidents and the whole country was in camps.
    The campaign launched a new TSU - to blame the Soviet regime and Stalin, because before they went too far with praise.
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  11. nikvic46 17 February 2020 06: 49 New
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    Now it’s already said, not the capture of Budapest, but liberation. Although the medal speaks clearly about this. If we take our literature, there is very little space for traitors and people who side with the occupiers. We want our people to know the whole truth. And preferably about the past. What was classified as “Top Secret” has gone into the information field. It doesn’t matter what impact it will have on the person. You give the whole truth, womb!
  12. Dedok 17 February 2020 08: 38 New
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    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    One thing I can’t understand is why did Sladkov start studying this issue, and not, say, how many Poles were captured by our soldiers? Jews? Bulgarians, etc., etc., etc., In a word, those who, supposedly, did not fight against us? He wants to show how many "ideological" fighters against the Soviet regime? We know a lot. But our fathers and grandfathers ground them all.

    I see it because it is necessary to objectively imagine how many of our citizens today will give up "loyalty to the flag." Remember how mattresses entered Iraq? who resisted them - and who did not?
    From the old days I remember these problems that we hushed up
  13. meandr51 17 February 2020 11: 22 New
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    There was a correct information policy aimed at a quiet cohabitation of different nationalities and peace in the country. Nobody fomented, but work at the level of special services was carried out quite adequately. And now the "truth-tellers" have come out. It is enough to look at their vicious faces to understand their true motives ...
    1. Unknown 17 February 2020 13: 48 New
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      you can agree that the correct information policy was being pursued, as you say — but the real reasons for the betrayal could not be hushed up. After all, without revealing these reasons, our Soviet people, for the most part, were very surprised to find quite a few traitors in the leadership of the USSR. for example, an excerpt from the interrogation of a German agent ............ "Among the Chechens and Ingush, I easily found the right people, ready to betray, go over to the Germans and serve them.

      I was surprised: what are these people unhappy with? Under the Soviet regime, Chechens and Ingush lived prosperously, in abundance, much better than in pre-revolutionary times, which I personally became convinced of after more than 4 months in the territory of Chechen-Ingushetia.

      The Chechens and Ingushs, I repeat, do not need anything, which struck me as I recalled the difficult conditions and the constant deprivations that mountain emigration in Turkey and Germany was experiencing. I did not find any other explanation, besides that these people from Chechens and Ingush, who changed their moods about their homeland, were guided by selfish considerations, the desire under the Germans to preserve at least the remnants of their prosperity, to render a service in compensation for which the invaders would leave at least part of the existing cattle and food, land and dwellings "................ spoke about the same way about Latvians, chief sd ekkeln, during interrogations. and everywhere goes the red line - skinning! and all these fables about the struggle against the Soviet regime, and other rubbish, for about the truth of their actions, and it seems to me that the Soviet authorities, then, should often bring such excerpts from interrogations so that people know what the traitors were guided in their actions.
  14. Marcel 20 February 2020 09: 55 New
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    Do not forget that virtually all of Europe fought against the USSR, and not just Germany. The Battle of Stalingrad is one of the greatest battles of World War II, where Germans, Slovaks, and Czechs acted against us.

    Czechs did not fight against the USSR during the Great Patriotic War !!!
    Slovaks unfortunately yes.

    Marzel
    Former Czechoslovakia
  15. niwleev 22 February 2020 00: 06 New
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    The task of the Communist Party was to conquer, under the guise of a world revolution, world domination. We were assigned the role of cannon fodder. Lenin said: "Let 90% of Russians die, if only 10% survived the world revolution." In the First World War, less than 2 million people died, and Lenin put either 13 or 15 million into the ground, they can’t calculate how much he starved and shot. Stalin and starved and shot, slandering honest people, took command of the Red Army before the war, but being stupid, as the miners say: like three members together, he upset the command and control of the army and was well trained, armed to the teeth, (look on the Internet how many us was military equipment) was defeated by the head, and 27 million were lost. And in the richest country in the world we lived like beggars. We had ⅔ chernozems of the planet.
    And no one is ashamed, turned into monkeys.
    Nikolai Ivleev, the only poet in Russia, except for Pushkin, who owns the Onegin stanza.
  16. Ivan Z 25 March 2020 16: 02 New
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    Why release not the screen of such a "historian"?