Chinese users react to Turkish invasion of Syria


Noteworthy is how foreign and experts and ordinary users of the network react to the Syrian armed conflict. In this short news story, we will discuss the reaction to the increase in the Turkish military contingent in Syria by Chinese users and Chinese media.


TV China reports that over the past few weeks Turks have transferred more than fifty to Syria tanks and over a hundred other pieces of equipment, including an electronic warfare system (“VO” told its readers about the transfer of this system ”). It is noted that as a result of Turkish attacks on the positions of the SAA in the past few days, at least 230 Syrian soldiers and officers have died.

From a China TV post:

But the Syrian army continues to advance north and west of the province of Idlib. And it suffers losses not only in battles with local forces opposing the official authorities, but also with those who support them from abroad. The greatest losses in this case are from Turkish troops.

The material notes that the Turkish army is one of the largest and most equipped in NATO, and therefore, "Assad’s forces will not be easy if Ankara takes advantage of all available opportunities."

About the reaction of Chinese users to the Turkish invasion of the Syrian Arab Republic.

Turkey, what do you want from Syria?

Chinese users react to Turkish invasion of Syria


Syria has no choice but to unite forces and means to confront the invaders and send them home.

Will someone tell me what the United Nations (UN) is doing at this moment?

Interesting events are developing: Turkey invaded Syria, and now claims to be forced to fire at Syrian soldiers, as they opened fire. But the Syrian fighters act according to the charter and the oath, protecting their country.

Turkey in Syria has its own trained dogs ...
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  1. Victor_B 16 February 2020 09: 05 New
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    It is interesting on whose side the sympathy of the CCP and the Chinese people.
    1. Stils 16 February 2020 09: 08 New
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      It seems like it's obvious that not on the side of Turkey hi
      1. Victor_B 16 February 2020 09: 10 New
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        The Chinese are very careful in their actions.
        1. Stils 16 February 2020 09: 12 New
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          That's right. Not on the side of Turkey, this does not mean that on the side of Syria
          1. Range 16 February 2020 09: 45 New
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            Turkey, like a carbon copy, repeats the elect in this situation.
          2. musorg 16 February 2020 11: 37 New
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            They are always on their side!
        2. Ross xnumx 16 February 2020 09: 55 New
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          Quote: Victor_B
          The Chinese are very careful in their actions.

          The Chinese are not committed to friendship from a "heart", from a "soul", because, seeing this state of affairs in Syria, they could offer (even to improve their own practice of warfare) the services of "a couple of hundreds of thousands" of military personnel: Assad would help, and would show their preferences.
          In the meantime, these Chinese words and thoughts bring neither benefit nor harm to anyone ...
          1. swnvaleria 16 February 2020 11: 02 New
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            it would be better if they threw the virus to the Turks, otherwise there’s nothing to do
            1. RVAPatriot 17 February 2020 13: 24 New
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              Tipun to you in one place ... It is necessary to know a measure !!!!!
          2. Svarog 16 February 2020 13: 45 New
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            Quote: ROSS 42
            and Assad would have helped, and would have shown their preferences.

            The Chinese are not helping anyone .. but to indignate and shout about friendship is forever ..
        3. Paranoid50 16 February 2020 12: 14 New
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          Quote: Victor_B
          The Chinese are very careful in their actions.

          And pay attention to every little thing
          laughing laughing laughing
      2. maidan.izrailovich 16 February 2020 11: 54 New
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        It seems like it's obvious that not on the side of Turkey

        I would like these sympathies to appear on a practical plane, and not in theory.
    2. anjey 16 February 2020 09: 11 New
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      For the Chinese, the restoration of Syria is most interesting - as a new market for their economy, that is, for their loved ones laughing
      1. gel
        gel 16 February 2020 09: 26 New
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        There is nothing wrong with this. Taking care of the prosperity of your economy.
      2. Maz
        Maz 16 February 2020 11: 59 New
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        Yeah, why not a sales market if you attach an idlib to Turkey? Here the sultan pulls a tomato there.
    3. bessmertniy 16 February 2020 09: 12 New
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      They do not like Turkey in China.
      1. Victor_B 16 February 2020 09: 13 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        They do not like Turkey in China.

        And how much they "love" the states.
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          1. Victor_B 16 February 2020 09: 19 New
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            commodity circulation between China and the USA

            Nothing personal...
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      3. askort154 16 February 2020 09: 59 New
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        bessmertniy ..... They do not like Turkey in China.

        They don’t love her anywhere. The EU does not take decades. In the Middle East, the Ottoman Empire has not been forgotten. Only the Anglo-Saxons “love” it - as their outpost against pre-revolutionary Russia, the USSR and the new Russia. Turks have never been
        friends to anyone, because everyone knows that they can always stab with a knife in the back. hi
        1. sailor roman 16 February 2020 10: 09 New
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          But this is definitely said, you can’t trust the Turks, I experienced it myself.
        2. Deck 16 February 2020 11: 24 New
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          Only the Anglo-Saxons “love” it - as their outpost against pre-revolutionary Russia, the USSR and the new Russia.


          Where did these historical fantasies come from? Have you come up with?
        3. voyaka uh 16 February 2020 12: 45 New
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          "Her" love "only the Anglo-Saxons - as their outpost against pre-revolutionary Russia, the USSR and the new Russia" ///
          ---
          The British fought with Turkey in WWI.
          They suffered heavy losses while trying to land in Gallipoli.
          They fought with Turkish troops on the greater territory of the Ottoman Empire.
          1. askort154 16 February 2020 13: 46 New
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            voyaka uh ....The British fought with Turkey in WWI.

            And Turkey fought with Russia 12 times! And always the Western countries acted, on its side, if not openly, then inflammatory. I will not give all the examples, only one and the most significant. When the question arose about the fall of Constantinople in front of the Russian troops, England announced an ultimatum to Alexander II that she would declare war on Russia. And it worked. England could not allow Russia to possess the Bosphorus. Prior to this, Russia conquered the Azov and Black Seas from Turkish Osmania, took Astrakhan and Crimea, but England did not allow it to gain access to the Mediterranean Sea, taking the strategically important Bosphorus. Then fight against England, Russia was not
            ready, definitely.
            Naturally, subsequently the Anglo-Saxons do everything for Turkey so that Russia's access to the Mediterranean Sea is controlled by it. hi
            1. voyaka uh 16 February 2020 14: 34 New
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              "And Turkey fought with Russia 12 times!" ///
              ----
              So Western Europe fought with the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years ...
              The advance of the Ottoman Empire to Europe was stopped (Battle of Vienna) by the Austrian-Polish army under the command of the Polish commander, King Jan Sobieski.
              These historical examples are: Western Europe-Turkey, Russia-Turkey, nothing much is said about.
              1. askort154 16 February 2020 14: 48 New
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                voyaka uh .. [i] .. So Western Europe has been at war with the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years.

                And Russia put a point. Austrians, Poles, Swedes - more often betrayed Russia in the war with Turkey. And only Russia drove the Turks to their stall, having expelled from Poland, Ukraine and Crimea. The latter freed the Bulgarians. Only after that did the Turks "calm down".
              2. ochakow703 17 February 2020 10: 04 New
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                He says, and very much. European wars, including with Turkey, would always be purely commercial enterprises. Either squeeze anything, increase the price, conquer the market, destroy the competitors.
                1. Lame Silver 17 February 2020 15: 36 New
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                  practically almost ALL wars = squeeze, conquer, destroy ...
            2. Liam 16 February 2020 14: 55 New
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              Quote: askort154
              And Turkey fought with Russia 12 times! And always the Western countries acted, on her side,

              How interesting. Suvorov and his commanding Austrian prince Coburg would be very surprised at such a statement.
              1. askort154 16 February 2020 15: 01 New
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                Liam ...How interesting. Suvorov and his commanding Austrian prince Coburg would be very surprised at such a statement.

                Suvorov would not be surprised .. He knew that the Austrians had betrayed him, and therefore went through the Alps.
                1. Liam 16 February 2020 15: 15 New
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                  He fought with the Turks in the Alps?
                  1. askort154 16 February 2020 15: 33 New
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                    Liam ... In the Alps, he fought with the Turks?

                    Naturally, with the French. Therefore he could not wonderthat the Austrians and Poles betrayed Russia in the war with Turkey. He knew that.
              2. Slon379 17 February 2020 10: 54 New
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                "Surprise-win!" A.V. Suvorov. At VO Suvorovtsev more than enough! There is nothing to be surprised at.
            3. protoss 16 February 2020 21: 30 New
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              Quote: askort154
              And Turkey fought with Russia 12 times! And always the Western countries acted, on its side, if not openly, then inflammatory.

              your history is very tight, in most Russian-Turkish wars Russia was part of coalitions with one or even several European powers
              1. ochakow703 17 February 2020 10: 07 New
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                "..Russia was part of coalitions with one or even several European powers"
                Read correctly - saved one or several European powers from the Turks.
                1. protoss 17 February 2020 11: 19 New
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                  you, too, with history are not so hot
          2. anjey 16 February 2020 16: 17 New
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            The British also fought with Hitler, but this did not stop them from supporting Hitler at the beginning of the Nazi path of the same Hitler, giving them the opportunity to seize the Europeans and then, eventually betraying Poland, bring the Nazis to the borders of the USSR and poison Stalin.
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The British fought with Turkey in WWI.

            The British fought with Israel and now your modeled sidekick in the wake of American politics laughing
            1. voyaka uh 16 February 2020 16: 38 New
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              "The British and Israel fought" ////
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              So what? The USSR and the GDR were best friends. Yes, and with Germany, relations between the USSR / Russia were good. And this despite the two brutal wars against Germany in the 20th century (both in alliance with hated England, by the way).
              1. anjey 16 February 2020 16: 47 New
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                Well, here, the Anglo-Saxons have such a nature, if there is a strong desire to achieve some goals, they will intrigue with everyone around and lay the soul to the devil to achieve their goal, maybe now they have crushed and thoroughly stupid, the Anglo-Saxon spirit is gradually degenerating, but to shit around the world with the Yankees are still trying ...
          3. andrew42 17 February 2020 17: 41 New
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            Gallipoli is not an indicator, from the word "completely" the British fought with Turkey solely because of the last exit from the British orbit of influence and reorientation to Germany. With the same success, the British and the French fleet drowned in 1940. Here, as they say, "nothing personal." As soon as the "Turkish scimitar" becomes an anti-Russian team (British, American. - directly or indirectly, as it is now), then all the claims of the Anglo-Saxons against Turkey are sharply removed, and they are ready to trumpet the "legitimate interests of Porta" in the spirit of the time of the liberation of Bulgaria 1878 year. Turkey is the favorite "instrument" of the collective West’s policy towards Russia, even more beloved than Poland, since it is more effective and serious militarily.
      4. Mavrikiy 16 February 2020 11: 43 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        They do not like Turkey in China.

        Nonsense. In Syria, Russia's authority is high, this is not suitable for China. Turkey moved away from the United States and tied to the Silk Road. China is more likely to support Turkey. China and I are competitors in BV in all areas.
    4. Karaul73 16 February 2020 09: 42 New
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      The people may have certain sympathies. The ruling elite has only interests. Sympathy fades into the background.
    5. Arlen 16 February 2020 10: 10 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      PDA

      From their political views, only the name remained. The Chinese party was completely bourgeois.
      Quote: Victor_B
      Chinese people.

      Judging by the comments of ordinary Chinese people, they have anti-Turkish sentiments.
    6. Barmaleyka 16 February 2020 10: 25 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      It is interesting on whose side the sympathy of the CCP and the Chinese people.

      on the side of china
    7. Chaldon48 16 February 2020 11: 20 New
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      China has concentrated all love on itself. The Chinese leadership is interested in international issues only to the extent that they affect the interests of China
    8. Mavrikiy 16 February 2020 11: 38 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      It is interesting on whose side the sympathy of the CCP and the Chinese people.

      Quote: Stils
      It seems like it's obvious that not on the side of Turkey

      Wrong.
      It seems to me that definitely on the side of Turkey. Especially after Turkey broke up with the United States. And Turkey is firmly tied to the Silk Road.
      Syria is too pro-Russian for China. In BV and Central Asia, China and I are competitors for influence. request Shaw do it.
      1. Stils 16 February 2020 12: 02 New
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        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Quote: Victor_B
        It is interesting on whose side the sympathy of the CCP and the Chinese people.

        Quote: Stils
        It seems like it's obvious that not on the side of Turkey

        Wrong.
        It seems to me that definitely on the side of Turkey. Especially after Turkey broke up with the United States. And Turkey is firmly tied to the Silk Road.
        Syria is too pro-Russian for China. In BV and Central Asia, China and I are competitors for influence. request Shaw do it.

        While this is speculation. A lot of things are tied to the Silk Road, including Russia, the entire BV and Central Asia, but this is nothing more than soft power, a declaration. We do not see diplomatic, much less see China’s military support for Turkey.
        1. Mavrikiy 16 February 2020 12: 37 New
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          Quote: Stils
          While this is speculation. A lot of things are tied to the Silk Road, including Russia, the entire BV and Central Asia, but this is nothing more than soft power, a declaration. We do not see diplomatic, much less see China’s military support for Turkey.

          The Internet is at your service. He who has ears, let him hear.
          Beautiful maps of routes and movements of China - brain fog everyone.
          Unfortunately, there is no Russia in the Great Silk Road. China does not invest in our infrastructure, although the path to the EU through Russia is optimal. There are no heaps of countries with their contradictions and ambitions. But China will not invest in a competitor, but only in a vassal. Take it easy.
    9. kenig1 16 February 2020 12: 14 New
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      They are sitting on a hill near the river and watching the corpses floating.
    10. Hort 17 February 2020 13: 35 New
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      on the side of the CCP and the Chinese people
  2. Grad-Xnumx 16 February 2020 09: 15 New
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    Chinese advisers in Syria on which side are speaking (advising)?
    1. Kleber 16 February 2020 09: 30 New
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      What other Chinese advisers are in Syria? I almost choked on tea.
      1. Gray brother 16 February 2020 10: 00 New
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        What other Chinese advisers are in Syria?

        This topic was exaggerated in such garbage cans as "Gazeta ru", "Novaya Gazeta", "on the eve of ru." There are no proofs as always.
  3. Xambo 16 February 2020 09: 18 New
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    Turkey in Syria has its own trained dogs ...

    Correctly think the Chinese comrades ..! Would you help us in Syria, weakly?
    1. Kleber 16 February 2020 09: 28 New
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      Do they need it?
      1. Xambo 16 February 2020 11: 03 New
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        Quote: Kleber
        Do they need it?

        It is necessary, but the Chinese are timid, especially after the next bacteriological attack ...)))
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Hehe - they have the largest sales market - the USA, the largest IT investments - in Israel. These are the things on the Shanghai Red Stock Exchange

        There is no arguing)))
        But they have no power in the lobby of the Jews! And here you can use it .. hi
        If China wants to become a world power in politics, and not as an appendage of the global economy of the West .. Then let them turn to Russia!
        If not for the USSR and Russia, China would have been soaked for a long time .. and again, opium would have been smoked
    2. Krasnodar 16 February 2020 09: 28 New
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      Hehe - they have the largest sales market - the USA, the largest IT investments - in Israel. These are the things on the Shanghai Red Stock Exchange soldier
      1. carstorm 11 16 February 2020 09: 38 New
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        Are you talking about bidding in RMB or dollars?)))
        1. Krasnodar 16 February 2020 09: 46 New
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          Yuan, Comrade Carstorm, is the proletarian currency of communist China, tied tightly to an unsecured green piece of paper!
          Comrades from the CCP strive to lower their national money in order to produce in cheap yuan and sell in expensive dollars, so trading on the worker-peasant stock exchange in yuan is carried out solely to raise the dollar laughing
          1. carstorm 11 16 February 2020 09: 48 New
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            that's just on the Shanghai Stock Exchange a clear separation of the yuan and the dollar) I asked)
            1. Krasnodar 16 February 2020 09: 51 New
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              I know - two years ago they started on the so-called. energy exchange (daughter) to trade oil futures in RMB - the Americans were extremely unhappy laughing
              By the way - non-residents can trade in dollars pegged to the renminbi
              1. carstorm 11 16 February 2020 10: 01 New
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                yes, for yuan, they have been trading since the year 91. in 2002 only the bucks were launched. and I think they are somehow happy there overseas or not)
                1. Krasnodar 16 February 2020 10: 03 New
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                  After the steps of Trump - I think they carefully listen to the opinion of the imperialists)).
                  1. carstorm 11 16 February 2020 10: 05 New
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                    oh) knowing the Chinese, they will avenge it over time))) there are even exchanges under the strict control of the state. Trump is not forever) I think it will be fun to watch.
                    1. Krasnodar 16 February 2020 10: 06 New
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                      They can take revenge by dropping the yuan below the plinth. I see no other options)).
                      1. carstorm 11 16 February 2020 10: 09 New
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                        in addition to economic, there are also political and military answers) we'll see. but the fact that they will wait in the wings I have no doubt)
                      2. Krasnodar 16 February 2020 10: 21 New
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                        Not in the next thirty years - that's for sure
                      3. Xambo 16 February 2020 11: 07 New
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Not in the next thirty years - that's for sure

                        There is a vague suspicion that you are not a Mossad zealot in Russia?
                        So the greyhound began to write, your Russian wife supports you in this?
                        There Jacob Cadmi and that Russia praises, artfully smiling from television ..))))
                      4. Krasnodar 16 February 2020 12: 25 New
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                        Always take into account what they think about me hehe you
                        I sensed genes - you always need to take into account the opinion of such important people! These are the things in the IDF Intelligence Department soldier
                      5. Xambo 16 February 2020 12: 32 New
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Always take into account what they think of me hehe you like?
                        I sensed genes - you always need to take into account the opinion of such important people! These are the things in the IDF Intelligence Department soldier

                        The fifth department welcomes you to military intelligence)))
                        With genetics, we are fine! laughing bully
                      6. Krasnodar 16 February 2020 12: 33 New
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                        They are not blue lol
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        They are not blue lol

                        No sitting on the hawthorn, as the Professor says ..! laughing
                        And how many of these "Russian lovers" have you settled in here in Krasnodar?
                      8. Krasnodar 16 February 2020 13: 48 New
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                        Why do you think that I do not like Russia? )))
                      9. Xambo 16 February 2020 14: 21 New
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Why do you think that I do not like Russia? )))

                        Well, why so categorically .. Such as you love Russia, but in your own way .. Already agree my "Jewish friend" .. No offense!

                        Russian wife holds you ..
                      10. Krasnodar 16 February 2020 14: 33 New
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                        laughing
                        Wildly sorry to love Russia, I need:
                        1) Support Chinese capitalists with views on the territory of the Russian Federation with a party card of the CCP;
                        2) Support one of the few countries with a legal Nazi party;
                        3) To love bearded uncles in dresses? laughing
                        I can live in two countries, for six months I lived in three countries - but again, where did you get the idea that I do not like Russia? Here you are, an unclaimed uncle anywhere, a “patriot” because of a lack of choice - I smell genes ... After all, any refugee from Uganda can sell SIM cards wink
                      11. Xambo 16 February 2020 15: 39 New
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Wildly sorry to love Russia, I need:

                        Go to Israel .. !!!
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        1) Support Chinese capitalists with views on the territory of the Russian Federation with a party card of the CCP;
                        2) Support one of the few countries with a legal Nazi party;
                        3) To love bearded uncles in dresses? laughing

                        And there it is already agreed with the relevant services .. wassat
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I can live in two countries, for six months I lived in three countries - but again, where did you get the idea that I do not like Russia?

                        I feel malicious commentary on your comments ..
                        Quote: Krasnodar

                        Here you are, an unclaimed uncle anywhere, a “patriot” because of a lack of choice - I smell genes ... After all, any refugee from Uganda can sell SIM cards

                        So you all said for the "love of the motherland" ..
                        I don’t even have anything to add ..
                        And how many of them are evil in Russia ..?
                      12. Krasnodar 16 February 2020 16: 05 New
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                        1) But what about gesheft on such glorious, naive, hard-working, non-drinking people like you? lol
                        2) Agree with the district police officer where the urine came from on the wheel of the neighbor’s car - by malicious intent or, as always, they didn’t end up drunk on the house)).
                        3) Do you feel genes? )))
                        4) A lot. And everyone squeezes juices (fermented) from such kind people as you! laughing
    3. carstorm 11 16 February 2020 11: 17 New
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      Well, here forecasts are not the right thing to do) this world is crazy) and what will happen in a year few people understand
    4. Xambo 16 February 2020 11: 56 New
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      Well, here forecasts are not the right thing to do) this world is crazy) and what will happen in a year few people understand

      Yes, everyone knows these forecasts .. To step the consumer order .. Ah, we will buy it, ah tolerance, ah sex men, it’s necessary to support ....
      Ah Putin said that the concept of "father and mother" will be, while he is the head of Russia, his Atu .. hi
      Well, and this is the main thing .. Russia should all and ask for forgiveness constantly ..

      But it’s not sad, but they demand that we kneel down .. Do you think they will forgive us? Unlikely ..
      Then the terrible massacre will begin
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      Ah Putin said that the concept of "father and mother" will be, while he is the head of Russia, his Atu ,,
      Remind you what he said about retirement?
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    gel 16 February 2020 09: 30 New
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    The Chinese are clever politicians. They are developing their economy and not the economy of "Friends" like the USSR at their own expense. And now these are all "brothers and brothers." Then they help Russia to water and scream about a terrible occupation.
  • Arlen 16 February 2020 10: 12 New
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    Would you help us in Syria, weakly?

    They are not weak, while they are not interested in intervention in the war on the territory of Syria. After the end of the fighting, China will climb into Syria with its economic interests.
  • Aleksandr21 16 February 2020 12: 26 New
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    Quote: Xambo
    Correctly think the Chinese comrades ..! Would you help us in Syria, weakly?


    They have a different tactic. That's when the war in Syria is over, so the Chinese companies will come to restore the destroyed Syria and share a piece of the pie. It is true that they don’t get much, since the interests of Russia and Iran will be taken into account first of all (I want to hope so, I mean about us), but no one has canceled the economy and China with its huge economy and reserves can invest a lot of money, unlike us, so time will tell. The only thing I'm sure that China will not miss its chance when the time comes, especially the restoration of Syria, fits well into the New Silk Road of China, they can buy the country for cheap, they can.
  • knn54 16 February 2020 09: 26 New
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    Regarding the last comment, rabid dogs (to Erdogan's note) are not amenable to training.
  • Professor Preobrazhensky 16 February 2020 09: 34 New
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    Thanks to the Chinese comrades!
    It is a pity that the soldiers of the Syrian Arab army can not read your comments.
    As Pavel Grachev used to say, after your words, they would die with a smile on their faces.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan 16 February 2020 09: 40 New
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    The Chinese understand the situation in Syria quite well.
  • Olya Tsako 16 February 2020 10: 16 New
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    Does Shaw talk about this, our General Staff?
    It can be seen that yesterday in Munich, Lavrov did not agree on anything with the insidious neo-Ottomans.
    Transferred to Syria three installation "Sun". No more.
    A drop in the bucket against hundreds of Turkish MLRS and tanks.
  • Coconut 16 February 2020 11: 10 New
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    when Chinese comrades come to our aid in Syria ... then we’ll talk ..)
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    Chinese users react to Turkish invasion of Syria
    To call the "reaction" chatter in Chinese social networks is probably not adequate. repeat
  • cniza 16 February 2020 12: 34 New
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    Syria has no choice but to unite forces and means to confront the invaders and send them home.


    No options, exactly.
  • Lamata 16 February 2020 12: 54 New
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    Vporos about the UN is right, this almshouse is silent.
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    lot 16 February 2020 17: 51 New
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    "Chinese users"))
  • Yuri 16 February 2020 20: 07 New
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    And according to experts in military affairs among readers, how plausible is it that the SAA has managed to inflict several painful defeats on the Barmel men in recent days and significantly advance in key areas if, in the process, under the blows of Turks alone, it has lost at least 230 killed, it is logical to assume that much more wounded and the appropriate amount of equipment?
    Maybe the Chinese media, like ours, should analyze the Turkish bravura relations before referring to them and drawing conclusions
  • Vladimir_65 17 February 2020 05: 20 New
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    AND? To whom it became warm or cold ... For example, I do not like the states and arrogant Saxons. But to them it is "on the drum."