“Talk about science”: Scientist has proposed a new interpretation of the experiment with the “Schrödinger cat”


In the section “Let's Talk About Science” this Saturday night, “Military Review” suggests reflecting on the difficulty of combining theories of subatomic and macroscopic objects. As is known from the course of physics, to describe the incompleteness of quantum mechanics in the transition from quantum systems to macroscopic systems, a mental experiment called the Schrodinger cat is used.


If you do not go into deep theoretical research, the essence of this thought experiment is that the existence of a "macroscopic" cat "in laboratory conditions" is as undefined as the behavior of subatomic particles. Uncertainty at the micro level suggests that the atom of matter at the same time may decay, or may not decay. And if the mechanism that breaks the flask with hydrocyanic acid located in the volume where the hypothetical cat is "locked" depends on the decay of this atom, it turns out that the cat (according to the theory of quantum mechanics) can be both alive and dead. This "works" as long as the room with the cat remains closed. This is a very simplified description of the fact that when looking for a connection between the micro- and macrocosm in quantum mechanics, “something goes wrong.”

This topic under the heading “Let's talk about science” was raised in connection with the fact that a new interpretation of the thought experiment “Schrodinger cat” appeared. Its author is the French theoretical physicist Frank Lalle. He not only offers a new interpretation of a well-known problem in physical science, but also a solution to it.

Lalle, who works at the Castler Brossel Laboratory in Paris, offers an option in which one of the components is the gravitational field associated with the so-called quantum collapse. This is a development of the theory of the famous English scientist Roger Penrose. Lalle suggests completely combining quantum mechanics with gravity, which, in his opinion, will save physics from "uncertainty with a cat."

According to this theory, a macroscopic object (the same notorious cat) exists or does not exist at a certain point in time unambiguously - without any “both states are possible at the same time”, if, when passing from subatomic objects to macroscopic objects, it is considered that gravity acts on any of them. This gravity, as noted in the work, and at any moment actually acts as an “outside observer”, who “draws a conclusion about the state of the cat”.

The work of Lalle says that the state of the "Schroдингdinger cat" in this way is always "possible to check" - is there a cat or not.

Traditionally, critics of the new theory have also been found, including from a cohort of venerable physicists. The Penrose-Lalle Theory is criticized roughly by the following points:

For the gravitational coefficient, generally speaking, there is no difference whether a cat is alive or dead, since at the initial moment of time the mass of its body “after death” did not change. Or does Mr. Lalle suggest introducing also the coefficient of the “soul of the Schroераdinger cat”, which will have to be weighed separately? ..

Proponents of the Lalle-Penrose theory respond by saying that critics of the new interpretation "use false assumptions that have nothing to do with theoretical physics."

At the same time, the French press recalled the statement by Stephen Hawking:

When I hear about the Schrödinger cat, my hand reaches for the gun!
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  1. Lamata 15 February 2020 17: 23 New
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    Schrodinger had a black cat))))
    1. Volodin 15 February 2020 17: 26 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      Schrodinger had a black cat))))

      Given the subject, he could be black and red at the same time)))
      1. Chaldon48 15 February 2020 17: 54 New
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        It could be any color, for example, green.
        1. Lipchanin 15 February 2020 19: 29 New
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          Quote: Chaldon48
          It could be any color, for example, green

          Fso sad
          Expect a visit by the Greens.
          They’ll drag me through the courts ... recourse wink
          1. Range 15 February 2020 21: 24 New
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            Why green (Thank God not green men), there is a Sumerian army. It is and at the same time it is not, but the most, the most, the most ... Zelensky.
          2. hydrox 16 February 2020 11: 49 New
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            Do not drag: virtual cat laughing
            1. hydrox 16 February 2020 12: 18 New
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              It seems not March, then why a cat? request
      2. Baloo 15 February 2020 18: 10 New
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        Quote: Volodin
        Quote: Lamata
        Schrodinger had a black cat))))

        Given the subject, he could be black and red at the same time)))

        And it could be not a cat, but a substance at the same time.
        1. Lamata 15 February 2020 18: 46 New
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          Namely, it could have been not a cat, but just Schrödinger loved cats.
        2. Lipchanin 15 February 2020 19: 33 New
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          Quote: Balu
          And could not be a cat,

          I can be black, which is good too repeat
        3. Range 16 February 2020 02: 58 New
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          Just a cat, but not that ... hi
          1. Baloo 16 February 2020 06: 30 New
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            Quote: Spectrum
            Just a cat, but not that ..

            That, then the black cat
            1. Range 16 February 2020 10: 44 New
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              Once upon a time there was a black cat
              And no one here knew about him ...
              That cat in the morning,
              And on the site went mutata ...
      3. dauria 15 February 2020 20: 49 New
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        Given the subject, he could be black and red at the same time


        Actually, the cat is out of business here. And to understand the idea of ​​"collapse" only gets in the way and gets underfoot.
        The main point of physics is this - there are no ways to calculate the motion of a particle. Not because we don’t know or don’t know something. But just NOT. This is her property in the microworld - wherever I want, I fly there regardless of previous coordinate impulse. And no fortuneteller in the world, no scientist can predict where the electron will fly after the gap. Until it hits the screen. While flying from the gap to the screen (cat in a closed box) - it is EVERYWHERE. When I got (opened the box) - the collapse of the wave function.
        Hence, by the way, “free will” is taken (a gift to philosophers from physicists). One cannot predict anything in advance; there is no predetermined future.
        1. Range 15 February 2020 21: 29 New
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          Life is a game from which we will never get out alive. So one thing is certain - it’s a transition to another world. The only question is when. And in terms of the size of the Universe, we do not exist at all.
        2. Shahno 15 February 2020 22: 57 New
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          // This is her property in the microworld - wherever I want, I fly there regardless of the previous coordinate impulse. //
          Well yes. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle. ₪ p * $ x> = h / 2. Where is the p-momentum, x-coordinate, ₪, the $ -operators of the gradient. H is a constant ... Play with the formula and understand everything, connect the imagination.
          1. Range 16 February 2020 11: 14 New
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            Are you implying that our mind controls reality? And all that is a creation of our mind?
            You can quantize. drinks
            1. Shahno 16 February 2020 12: 00 New
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              In a sense, reality is really subjective. Especially in our quantum world .. winked
              1. Range 16 February 2020 12: 05 New
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                So, and I about the same.
      4. Lycan 16 February 2020 12: 02 New
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        It could well be any shade of color both outside the IR range and outside the UV range ...
  2. Terenin 15 February 2020 17: 27 New
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    “Military Review” suggests reflecting on the complexity of pairing theories of subatomic and macroscopic objects.

    Cut off. Shukshin V.M. | Fiction

    - Where are your calculations of natural trajectories? Where can all cosmic science be applied?
    The men listened attentively to Gleb.
    - Assuming the idea that humanity will increasingly visit our, so to speak, neighbor in outer space, we can also assume that at one point intelligent creatures will not survive and crawl out to meet us. Are we ready to understand each other?
    “Who are you asking?”
    “You thinkers ...”
    “Ah, are you ready?”
    - Our salary is not that ...
    1. Alexander Sosnitsky 15 February 2020 17: 37 New
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      All three previous comments are beautiful to the core. Thank you for not being alone in the universe. In fact, the so-called quantum mechanics is transitional between continuum and discrete mechanics. In other words, there is no quantum mechanics, but only a transition from between the two indicated, the ancient Greeks called it atoms, which turned out to be not atoms, but made from a certain continuum, which even more ancient before the Greeks called Prana. And cats appear when there is nothing to say. This is modern science. Like politics.
      1. orionvitt 15 February 2020 18: 40 New
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        Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
        In fact, the so-called quantum mechanics is transitional between continuum and discrete mechanics.

        To begin with, let the scientists explain what the “gravitational field” is, which they are trying to stick into quantum theory. And also what is electric, magnetic, electro-magnetic and what is a field in general. Excuses, such as the "special state of matter", have already been heard. Theorists damn it.
        1. Alexander Sosnitsky 15 February 2020 19: 13 New
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          Most of all I want to know what fluctuates in electromagnetic waves in the absence of ether, which is most criticized by effective, sorry, brilliant scholars of the classics of the unsurpassed and most intelligent ... without reference to which not a single article in the world is still accepted science, and criticism of the theory of relativity in the young Union was equated with criticism of Marx (probably because of the similarity of nationality), because of which whole theor departments of the academic institutes of the emerging science were sent under the knife to the Gulag, because it does not comply with the elementary laws of energy conservation, etc. To get around these problems, such cats arise.
          1. vaay 15 February 2020 19: 23 New
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            Electric and magnetic fields
            1. Alexander Sosnitsky 15 February 2020 22: 05 New
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              It’s like holding something in the door and there is the tension of the door field, the new genius of the Schrödinger cat. All this is barren from empty to empty. The electric field is from amber, and the magnetic field arises from it. That’s all science. What is a field at all? Which weed?
              1. Shahno 16 February 2020 00: 12 New
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                // What is a field at all? //
                This is a question. Field - an ordered set of parameters in the coordinate system. An algebra over a field, for example, is our arithmetic over natural numbers.
                A physical field is a distributed state of certain parameters of matter in a coordinate system (oh my god, n-dimensional, and even infinitely dimensional). By the way, the Minkowski space is also a field ...
                1. Alexander Sosnitsky 16 February 2020 00: 48 New
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                  There is a field as a convenient mathematical abstraction, and there is a real field as a physical entity. Mathematicians are amazing people; they categorically impose their desires as beings. Moreover, formalisms are required, but they themselves do not observe them since they write their opuses in natural informal languages. And abstractions are not observed at all, for example: "We will take our object as an ordered vector A (b, c, d, e), where b is ..., this ..., d this ..., and d this .. .). then .... ". For this alone, I would expel them as an infection from science, with all due respect to it. I had to speak at the congress in the past, as they writhed. Everything is just for them in wool. And they don’t think about the truth at all; The same thing in Britannica if you read the original mathematical definitions - nonsense. Naturally, this mess leads to global conflicts over time. And people are happy to believe in their nonsense. Again, I am returning you to the first sentence of this remark. If people clearly defined what they were saying, then there would be no conflict or anger. but only consent. Greetings to the upcoming March cat, which successfully resolves all its problems with success, because cats are just waiting for this. "Sulfur theory is my friend, but the tree of life is forever green."
              2. Polymer 16 February 2020 11: 42 New
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                Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
                What is a field at all?

                Trying to answer this question, we get to the term "charged particle". What kind of tops are these and how are they “charged” - no one already explains. Dead end.
                1. region58 17 February 2020 02: 32 New
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                  Quote: Polymer
                  Trying to answer this question, we get to the term "charged particle".

                  If you go from the other end, then the elementary particle is nothing more than a local perturbation of the field, which received a certain amount of energy. But to the following questions: what is the physical nature of the field and what is the energy and why is this whole thing exactly the way we observe - for now, they just shrug their hands and build theories ...
                  1. Rec
                    Rec 17 February 2020 12: 37 New
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                    Quote: region58
                    field disturbance

                    It turns out that everything around is nothing but a field and redistribution of energy in it.
            2. orionvitt 16 February 2020 00: 00 New
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              Quote: vaay
              I want to know what fluctuates in electro-magnetic waves in the absence of ether,

              It is written in the textbook, "the special state of matter." Be content with it and think what you want. But only within the framework of academic science. laughing
          2. dauria 16 February 2020 02: 14 New
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            Most of all I want to know what fluctuates in electro-magnetic waves in the absence of ether,

            Well, enter your "ether". A kind of 4-dimensional space. In it, the fluctuations in the 4th dimension in joules (or kilograms, or volt-ampere-seconds) express through meters in a cube per second. And you will be happy and universal reverence. The only trouble is how to explain that inertial systems are equal and the speed of light is constant. Should the ether move with each reference system?
            Scientists are building models. And they are content with the model until they stumble upon a mismatch. In my opinion, there are enough problems for physicists for the eyes even without the "ether".
            They studied the baryonic cow cake, but did not notice the invisible cow from the dark matter. laughing
            1. pmkemcity 16 February 2020 14: 03 New
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              Quote: dauria
              and the speed of light is constant

              And who said that?
          3. Alex Justice 16 February 2020 09: 30 New
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            To get around these problems, such cats arise.

            and black energy, black matter, black hole, etc.
        2. aybolyt678 15 February 2020 19: 17 New
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          Quote: orionvitt
          mouth scientists will explain what a "gravitational field"

          according to Einstein, the gravitational field is the curvature of space.
          Quote: orionvitt
          what is the field at all.
          - any field is an "empty" space filled with energy (an example of a radio or magnet)
          The very chip of Schrödinger's cat is that the question arises: where does the physics of the processes end and FREEDOM OF WILL begins, there is not a word about this in the article!
          But Einstein said that he was a devout and religious person, he denied religion but believed in God. The key factor of his faith was precisely the free will inherent in living beings. He sought God somewhere where the fifth dimension appears, along which time moves. At the same time, time should become material, and God is having fun with it (this is mine)
          1. dauria 15 February 2020 21: 18 New
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            . The key factor of his faith was precisely the free will inherent in living things


            Yeah, it’s one step before Laplace’s determinism. Living beings do not add a single drop to freedom - matter already has it. This is its permanent (integral) quality. Or the electron flies wherever it wants within the limits of the Heisenberg uncertainty relation - or there is no electron.
            Quantum physics may not be the "ultimate truth", but an excellent working model. At least it explains why helium does not freeze at normal pressure. laughing Not to mention the rest .... wassat
            A person is just not “free will”, but a design that tries to extend its existence for up to 60 years in a heap of random input signals (both outside and inside the body).
            1. pmkemcity 16 February 2020 14: 06 New
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              Quote: dauria
              the electron flies wherever it pleases within the uncertainty relation

              This is where the will manifests itself - to direct the electron to where the subject needs to.
          2. Alexander Sosnitsky 15 February 2020 22: 18 New
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            The gravitational field is the curvature of the brain. You just take the Poincare equations called Lorentz and derive from them the changes in the segments of distance and time, which depend on the speed of movement, and get some dependences of some quantities whose meaning no one knows. After that, you can speculate endlessly in conditions of complete uncertainty. And the Lorentz equations follow from the conditions of invariance and symmetry (we do not specify what) of the Maxwell equations. After that, the Heaviside formula e = mc2 arises, which is easily present in Maxwell, who did not have the expression of his formulas in a modern form and therefore did not receive a consequence from them, but others did later. However, all of them from amber came from the ancient Greeks because nothing more was seen except for amber. EM fields are formalisms of unknown natural fields, and fields because they are performed at every point in space. This is a hypothesis. There is no evidence that they are carried out throughout the Universe as well as the multiplication table, deviations from which have not yet been noticed. But what fluctuates and contracts will not be understood for a very long time. And so there are so many cats divorced.
            1. aybolyt678 15 February 2020 23: 26 New
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              Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
              And so there are so many cats divorced.

              Cat breeding needs cats, eggs and March. In addition, the low density of veterinarians and other factors of singular invariance and EM field uncertainty expressing the runaway rate of cats according to the Lorentz-Maxwell and Heaviside formula ... wassat
              1. Alexander Sosnitsky 16 February 2020 00: 34 New
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                Nobel is better for you, no one will come up with. Recession of cats with redshift
            2. Polymer 16 February 2020 12: 28 New
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              Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
              as well as the multiplication table, deviations from which have not yet been noticed.

              Very much noticed. Mathematics is really the queen of sciences, but in it itself there are many subsystems of calculi - differential, integral, etc. And the multiplication table is generally arithmetic, which ceases to work when moving to any other level.
              For example, one turner produces 10 parts per shift. How many parts will 4 turners produce? Think 40? There it was! Depends on how they are organized. If they interfere with each other (the turn of the grinding machine and the lifting device) - then 25-30, and if the process is decomposed into operations and the turner will complement each other - then they can 80. So it’s not always 2x2 = 4.
        3. The popuas 15 February 2020 20: 15 New
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          Lale simply thought more mundane than Schrödinger, i.e., tied gravity, where would we be without it request ... there is nothing to climb into the air, since I did not learn to crawl on the ground ... wink
        4. nod739 16 February 2020 00: 06 New
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          Good question, and most importantly any explanation does not give an exhaustive answer ...
          I recalled one book:

          "_ What is it?..

          - It? This is a nail.

          “Right,” said Osiris. - The nail. The old nail. Here we take the simplest thing - an old rusty nail. We look at him. And we think - what is it?

          “Nail,” I shrugged. - What is there to think?

          - What are we talking about? About this piece of metal? Or about the perception that you experience? Or that the nail is this perception? Or that this perception is the nail? In other words, does it mean that the nail is reflected in our minds, or that we project the word “nail” onto the world around us in order to highlight the totality of its elements that we agreed to designate with this sound? Or maybe you are talking about the dark and terrible belief of some people that a nail exists on its own outside the boundaries of someone else’s consciousness? "(c) Pelevin
      2. Shuttle 15 February 2020 20: 28 New
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        Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
        All three previous comments are beautiful to the core. Thank you for not being alone in the universe. In fact, the so-called quantum mechanics is transitional between continuum and discrete mechanics. In other words, there is no quantum mechanics, but only a transition from between the two indicated, the ancient Greeks called it atoms, which turned out to be not atoms, but made from a certain continuum, which even more ancient before the Greeks called Prana. And cats appear when there is nothing to say. This is modern science. Like politics.

        And even more ancient chitte who immediately before the Greeks knew about prathana. :)
    2. ul_vitalii 15 February 2020 17: 40 New
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      Greetings, Gennady hi Like a March cat, I’ll work out in two weeks to the full, we have two more cats at the same time, if we invite you to cat dancing, then we’ll eat sausages and meat from one bowl, and we’ll drink milk from one saucer. smile
      I agree, at the end of January there was no time for this.
      1. Terenin 15 February 2020 17: 48 New
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        Quote: ul_vitalii
        Greetings, Gennady As a March cat, I’ll work in two weeks to the fullest,

        Judging by the weather, the March topics about cats (including on VO) began two weeks earlier
        Hi Vitaliy hi
        1. Svarog51 15 February 2020 20: 03 New
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          Meow! I’m also March, this year the weather also affects cats. Yesterday I heard such a concert - Schrödinger is pumping, they are already singing. And my generally talkative, foreigner, what to take from him. The Mega-Kong Bob-tail would have been nailed if I hadn’t loved the gaddy so much.
    3. Lipchanin 15 February 2020 19: 34 New
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      Quote: Terenin
      “Who are you asking?”
      “You thinkers ...”
      “Ah, are you ready?”
      - Our salary is not the same

      Gyyyyyy
      good
    4. Lycan 16 February 2020 12: 20 New
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      After the fight, they don’t wave their fists, but ..
      Ege .. Our "cutter" didn’t know what the promising systems are. positioning for missile control will be in the service of our country (and will not be more effective for a long period). I did not know about the fact that there are not enough resources in the earth and (quite likely) it will be necessary to extract rare earths and fuel from other celestial bodies, to which it is necessary to fly and without using manual control.
      Quote: Terenin
      at one point, intelligent creatures will not stand and crawl out to meet us. Are we ready to understand each other?

      He did not know that sooner or later he would have to become ready, because a meeting in view of progressive development is inevitable. How it was inevitable between Europeans, tribal societies and the states of the non-European development path (Russia, China, Middle East countries).
      And the fact that the salary is not that is a weak argument. The homeland said: "It is necessary," the research institutes, the design bureau and my Moscow region will answer: "Yes!"
  3. Amateur 15 February 2020 17: 33 New
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    It is necessary to use the "Demon Maxwell" to capture the "Cat Schrödinger"
    1. dauria 15 February 2020 21: 40 New
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      use the "Demon Maxwell"


      Also a tricky topic for understanding thermodynamics. The daemon just changes weights. That is, it increases the probability (i.e., entropy). And there is no violation of the second law.
      1. nod739 16 February 2020 00: 09 New
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        The demon himself does nothing, he needs information about these particles, what to work at the right time, and receiving it, the system ceases to be closed
  4. RideMaster 15 February 2020 17: 43 New
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    It is impossible to observe the macrocosm without affecting it.
    And the cat, by the way, is either alive or dead, and not at the same time. Dachshund yourself a pun, as if right now they say, purely hypanut.
    1. nod739 16 February 2020 00: 10 New
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      Alive or dead, there is no other option, there is only a lack of information about his condition
  5. Krasnodar 15 February 2020 17: 44 New
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    At the same time, the French press recalled the statement by Stephen Hawking:

    It’s hard to imagine Stephen Hawking reaching for a gun ...
    1. Jager 15 February 2020 18: 21 New
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      Hawking was not without a sense of self-irony.
      And his example proves that the main thing is the brain. And the brain is the only thing that really sets us apart from primates.
      And all those questions that scientists all over the world are struggling with will take place in school after some time.
      And by the way, over the past 60 years, mankind has not discovered a third of what they discovered in the previous 60.
      1. orionvitt 15 February 2020 18: 44 New
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        And by the way, over the past 60 years, mankind has not discovered a third of what they discovered in the previous 60

        To discover, derive patterns, describe mathematically and learn how to use it somehow, this is not enough. You also need to understand how it works and why. In this matter, modern physics is in a frank impasse.
      2. Krasnodar 15 February 2020 18: 56 New
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        Quote: Jager
        Hawking was not without a sense of self-irony.
        And his example proves that the main thing is the brain. And the brain is the only thing that really sets us apart from primates.
        And all those questions that scientists all over the world are struggling with will take place in school after some time.
        And by the way, over the past 60 years, mankind has not discovered a third of what they discovered in the previous 60.

        A huge leap in medicine
        A huge leap in molecular biology
        In physics, yes, stagnation
      3. Lipchanin 15 February 2020 19: 38 New
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        And the brain is the only thing that really sets us apart from primates.

        Well, you can’t do it without that
        would Orcaini not to mention laughing
  6. Thrifty 15 February 2020 17: 45 New
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    I would like to supplement Stephen Hawking that the gun must be quantum, and be immediately in the past, present and future. ..
    1. Lipchanin 15 February 2020 19: 39 New
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      that the gun must be quantum, and be immediately in the past, present and future. ..

      On stage and be sure to shoot at the end laughing
  7. Old Michael 15 February 2020 17: 58 New
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    And I have Schrödinger beer and Schrödinger's father-in-law. Until you look in the fridge in the evening, you won’t determine if father-in-law came in during the day or not!
  8. Baloo 15 February 2020 18: 15 New
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    And I work in a circus as a trainer. I wanted to go to Africa to buy crocodiles for a new unique issue - Flying Crocodiles. Now I’m thinking of complicating it, so that crocodiles are crocodiles at the same time, but also like mammoths, i.e. in two states at the same time. After reading the article I realized it was too early to go. First you need to study quantum mechanics. without it, the transition of crocodiles to mammoths and vice versa will be impossible. Thanks to the author. yes
    1. Svarog51 15 February 2020 20: 14 New
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      Flying crocodiles - aerodynamics. Reprofiling mammoths is genetic engineering. What side is quantum mechanics here? Schrödinger's cat is like a philosopher's stone - everyone knows, in March everyone heard him, but no one saw him.
      Baloo hi My regards. For the Present drinks
      1. Baloo 15 February 2020 20: 29 New
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        Quote: Svarog51
        Flying crocodiles - aerodynamics. Reprofiling mammoths is genetic engineering. What side is quantum mechanics here? Schrödinger's cat is like a philosopher's stone - everyone knows, in March everyone heard him, but no one saw him.
        Baloo hi My regards. For the Present drinks

        All hope for March, but for now I will give up all my strength in order to delve into quantum mechanics. The most difficult thing is to learn to move crocodiles in space and time, it will be easier with elephants, all the same they have such big ears ... I can not imagine how to simultaneously transition and exist in two states: crocodiles-mammoth, mammoths-crocodiles. This is somehow contrary to my consciousness poisoned by scientific communism. All hope for quantum mechanics. We have to catch it before March, maybe the cats will tell you. In the village in the afternoon I saw how two February cats were all attached to a kitty. One is already on top, so the other politely tries to settle on the side. No, March should be more correct than February
        1. Svarog51 15 February 2020 21: 22 New
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          Cats in March are not engaged in quantum mechanics, they have an interest in something else.
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            Cats in March

            We are all-weather, all-weather and sometimes around-the-clock repeat
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              Namesake hi Should I not know this postulate, I was born on March 15 in the city of Ivanovo.
              sometimes around the clock

              Always! lol good drinks
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                in the city of Ivanovo

                Ohhhh! It's even better than unaccounted for sour cream fellow good drinks
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    PS But seriously, without beer and father-in-law, the theory of gravity is very elegantly inscribed by Einstein in GR - the general theory of relativity. It was she who was lacking in SRT — the special theory of relativity. But Penrose's theory, like other dances around wave collapse, is very similar to a set of speculations and does not solve the problem of uncertainty from the word at all.
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      Quote: OldMichael
      like other dances around wave collapse, it is very similar to a set of speculations and does not solve the problem of uncertainty from the word at all.

      a point moving in one direction forms a line. The movement of the line across forms a plane. the plane moving up or down forms a three-dimensional coordinate system. A three-dimensional coordinate system moving along Time forms Our World.
      If we assume that Time (already a material object) is still moving along something, and IT is something that somehow affects our world, then a solution to the problem of uncertainty arises.
      1. Old Michael 15 February 2020 20: 03 New
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        Time (already a material object), still moves along something, and THIS is something that somehow affects our world - this is where the solution to the problem of uncertainty arises.

        This is from another opera.
        The uncertainty of the state of a particle stems from its nature - it is only a local wave (like a multidimensional standing wave) perturbation of a vacuum. It looks like a discrete particle only at the moments of absorption or radiation (of course, and measurements / observations).
        Remember, in the school physics textbook it was written that the electron, as it were, revolves around the nucleus of an atom. It is “as it were,” because it does not rotate, but is equally likely to be simultaneously present at each point of its orbit, i.e. areas of disturbance.
        Therefore, in this case, going beyond the four-dimensional continuum does not change anything. But it can help in understanding the phenomenon of "linked" particles. Poke a crumpled sheet of paper with a needle at once in several places: for two-dimensional residents of the sheet, the puncture places will be different objects, surprisingly connected to each other!
        1. aybolyt678 15 February 2020 21: 16 New
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          Quote: OldMichael
          This is from another opera.

          everything is interconnected, from your further arguments you can see smile .
          1. Old Michael 15 February 2020 22: 11 New
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            everything is interconnected

            Relative - relatedness.
            Indeed, Einstein's relativistic theory is not that “everything is relative,” but that everything is interconnected.

            And today's ladies are called extramarital relations by relationships (also relative). lol
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        Quote: aybolyt678
        along time

        What is time?
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          What is time?

          for us the coordinate system, for God matter
  10. gridasov 15 February 2020 18: 42 New
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    Similar reasoning that the cat is alive and dead at the same time only says that neither mathematicians nor physicists have decided on the concepts of the past and the present. Then we would already have two variant systems, is he dead and is it possible for him to live, or is he alive, but the next moment will be dead, which is more plausible, to the extent of our achievements in resuscitation. But in general, such arguments are not worthy of mathematicians and physicists. Since starting from a dipole and understanding the structure of the smallest component of the world and to the macrocosm, there should be a methodology for the transformation of dimensions. But dimensions are not relative to reference units, but dimensions as big data systems that determine the entire set of properties from a particle to the macrocosm. But! Such mathematical systems are possible only on the basis of not computational mathematics, but on the basis of the properties of the numbers determined by a function of their constant value. On a variable number function, only low potential physical processes and relatively small data capacities can be calculated.
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      On a variable function of a number, only low potential physical processes can be calculated

      I believe that the question itself is alive or not the cat is incorrect. The only question is whether there is free will or is everything predetermined by physical processes.
      1. gridasov 15 February 2020 21: 07 New
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        Everything is defined by physical and mathematical processes as the ability to analyze electronic magnetic processes.
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          Quote: gridasov
          Everything is defined by physical and mathematical processes as the ability to analyze electronic magnetic processes.

          castrated answer sad , I'm not talking about certainty, but about the predetermination of everything. I would like to hear the opinion of a mathematician about the philosophical category
          1. gridasov 15 February 2020 21: 41 New
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            First of all, it is worth saying that both philosophy and mathematics are a manifestation of the logic of reasoning and analysis. The question is, in the chosen language, philosophy is the language of everyday life, and mathematics is the language of numbers, vectors, dimensions, concentration, etc.
            1. depressant 15 February 2020 23: 47 New
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              Gridasov, take a series of squares and from each successive three create Pascal triangles, moving them successively to the right. I will be surprised if you do not notice the amazing law tongue
              1. gridasov 15 February 2020 23: 52 New
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                I totally agree! it is precisely that even such regularities can be described by a number and only by a number. And this is necessary in order to describe the laws of not elementary planar figures, but of full-fledged volumetric and dynamically changing structures
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    if during the transition from subatomic objects to macroscopic ones, we take into account that gravity acts on any of them. This gravity, as noted in the work, and at any moment actually acts as an “outside observer”, who “draws a conclusion about the state of the cat”.

    “Everything mixed up in the house of Oblonsky” (c)
    At the same time, many things act on macroscopic objects, why, then, did gravity choose the “looking one”? The fact is that the mechanism of gravitational interaction is considered so far only in hypotheses, which are still quite numerous. One thing is certain - this interaction is below the level of the microworld, and it is still very, very difficult to “peek” there. Plus, theories like general relativity forbid even to think about it, and such as quantum mechanics lead to a dead end. When there will be a breakthrough in this area is still unknown.
    1. gridasov 15 February 2020 21: 09 New
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      Gravitational forces are the background. These are the forces forming the space of our life activities.
      1. Polymer 15 February 2020 21: 14 New
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        Quote: gridasov
        Gravitational forces are the background. These are the forces forming the space of our life activities.

        Yes, you can call it anything. But we can only observe the results of these forces, and the laws of their formation and development are still unknown to us.
        1. gridasov 15 February 2020 21: 17 New
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          Why are unknown? The planet on which we live is a dipole. Magnetic power flows are absolutely identical, but the difference is only in dimension. In this case, the axis of precession, the rolling moments forming the fundamental climatic conditions, the equator itself, the magnetic polar circle together with the aurora, fully correspond to the distribution of magnetic fluxes in the elementary sphere.
          1. Polymer 15 February 2020 21: 48 New
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            Want to say, we know the nature of the occurrence of magnetic interaction? We have learned quite well to use this phenomenon, but we still do not know how and why it occurs. A man learned to use fire back in those days when he was not intelligent, but he guessed that this was a chemical reaction quite recently. Now the same thing with electromagnetic forces - we know how to use, but we do not know the nature of the occurrence.
            But even if we allow an analogy, then with electromagnetic interaction we at least know its speed. And what is the speed of gravitational interaction?
            1. gridasov 15 February 2020 22: 38 New
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              You are very right! I believe that humanity is not yet familiar with the concept of speaker. By the way, when describing complex and multi-dynamic processes, short algorithms in numerical streams are observed at the FPPC. Dynamics is something quickly variable in variable volumes of data. Modern computers work in interdependent parameters of energy consumption and data transfer rate. But what speed can we talk about when the data capacity changes, and in it the code does not move, but rotates and the whole structure changes. It’s worth not talking about speed in general - this is a primitive concept.
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                It’s worth not talking about speed in general - this is a primitive concept.

                Really?! sad
                How so?! The whole mathematical apparatus of STR and GR is built on the speed of light in vacuum (it is the speed of electromagnetic interaction) - but it turns out that this is a "primitive concept." request
                1. gridasov 16 February 2020 11: 53 New
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                  You see, but space is very heterogeneous in terms of the versatility of intersecting magnetic fluxes. Therefore, I'm sorry, but who said that a person is a key source of literacy and at least an understanding of what and why is happening. If someone is satisfied with the level of the concept of speed, then not me. For me, this concept is transformed into a system for changing the structure of big data.
                  1. Polymer 16 February 2020 12: 08 New
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                    You see, but space is very heterogeneous ...

                    The space is homogeneous - curvatures arise in matter, which is distributed non-uniformly in it. The brain is also a material object, with all the consequences. Not everyone only.
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                      I am not trying to convince, but I think that material objects are part of space and are already interacting and changing its homogeneity. Personally, it’s hard for me to imagine space as nothing and nothing. Magnetic power flows, light as electric magnetic waves, alpha, gamma, etc. vibrational effects are unlikely to imply uniformity
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                        Quote: gridasov
                        Magnetic power flows, light as electric magnetic waves, alpha, gamma, etc. vibrational effects are unlikely to imply uniformity

                        Alpha, vetta, gamma radiation definitely have material carriers. Electromagnetic waves - it is believed that they can exist in absolute void. But I think this is a fallacy. Any kind of energy can exist only as a result of the MOTION OF MATTER. We cannot yet say for sure what matter moves when electromagnetic phenomena occur, but this does not mean at all that there is no substance there.
                        Space, on the other hand, is an abstract category, and it depends only on us whether we consider it homogeneous or not. However, incorrect actions always lead to incorrect results. And if we allow the "curvature" of space, then we will inevitably come to a standstill. What, in fact, is happening with modern fundamental science.
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                        This space is not an abstract quantity. Space is determined by the variability of distributed properties to carry out interactions and transformations of some states into others. Space is determined by energy. Energy is always a transition process from one state to another. Therefore, to describe space and transformations as energy is possible only mathematically and only fpzch. Everything is obvious and optimally simple.
                      3. Polymer 16 February 2020 17: 52 New
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                        Go back to the beginning:
                        “Everything mixed up in the house of Oblonsky” (c)
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                      Quote: Polymer
                      in absolute void

                      Does it happen? Vacuum is far from emptiness.
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                      Can not be. This is what I am trying to convey.
  12. gridasov 15 February 2020 21: 22 New
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    To some extent, we must agree that not everything can perceive our mind. But you can try a model of analysis on how we would create the world if we were so intelligent and omnipotent.
  • Petrol cutter 15 February 2020 21: 25 New
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    And if you artificially increase the supply of electricity to the background fields? How can this affect gravitational forces?
    1. gridasov 15 February 2020 21: 30 New
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      The question here is what quality of electronic magnetic energy must be used to influence gravitational forces. Therefore, I often talk about the method of creating electric motive forces in a material without applying external forces of a different quality. That is, the theory of electrical conductivity is not applicable at all. In absolutely any material, you can create voltage and current.
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        That is, you say that it is quite possible to create an electric current even in a brick wall without using external energy sources?! .. I understand correctly?
        Then he visits one question - which of the really accessible ways is this possible?
        1. gridasov 15 February 2020 22: 49 New
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          Of course, energy needs to be applied, but it is incommensurable with how much energy we spend and what kind of transformations we get on the atomic-molecular level. This is not laser pumping or other energy-consuming processes. These are elementary and accessible physical processes. And by the way, the task of simultaneous maximum speed and minimum plays an important role in the algorithm of the whole process.
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            By the way, Gridasov, there were times when the Earth was not a dipole at all, as you said above, but had up to five poles. laughing
            1. Gato 16 February 2020 01: 02 New
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              and had up to five poles

              ..and up to three whales and five elephants! fellow
            2. gridasov 16 February 2020 10: 28 New
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              You are right in the sense that when viewed at the scale level of galaxies and planetary interactions, these are dipole structures. If we consider only the distribution of active zones on the surface of the planet, then of course the sphere can be considered as a Platonic solid or a polygon with active zones of electronic magnetic voltage. If we consider at the level of even finer scaling, then again I discovered patterns of distribution of magnetic processes.
  • oleg.nhl 15 February 2020 19: 22 New
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    I didn’t understand a damn ... But it’s very interesting!
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      Quote: oleg.nhl
      I didn’t understand a damn ... But it’s very interesting!

      In m yes arte there will come a moment of truth
      1. oleg.nhl 15 February 2020 19: 46 New
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        Will wait... smile
      2. Svarog51 15 February 2020 20: 40 New
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        Insomnia will come, not the moment of truth. Cats of the Criminal Code do not obey. Yes, they do not care about the laws of people, they have - NATURE rules.
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          "Insomnia will come, not the moment of truth. Cats of the Criminal Code do not obey. Yes, they don’t care at all about the laws of people, they have - NATURE rules. Her"
          Exactly !. Brilliantly said.
          1. Svarog51 15 February 2020 22: 52 New
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            R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ hi It’s enough to have a cat to become a genius.
      3. aybolyt678 15 February 2020 21: 24 New
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        Quote: Balu
        The moment of truth will come in m art

        due to warming, tangerines have been intensively cut out from cats since January smile so moments of truth may not come. The truth is she absolute she does not have moments. Moments inherent in opinions smile
    2. The popuas 15 February 2020 20: 33 New
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      See above it's Saturday filisofs scurrying around drinks ... I'm afraid schA Gridasov will appear ... and the topic for 4000 comments will stretch wassat
      1. depressant 15 February 2020 23: 55 New
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        Popuas, don’t be afraid, you are a man!)))) Physicists are just joking!
    3. Petrol cutter 16 February 2020 20: 31 New
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      Yes. But there is one point. T. Gridasov, if you think about it, periodically reports interesting things. You have to think about them, yes. Not without this ... But his arch of thought is wide! ..
  • Polymer 15 February 2020 19: 31 New
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    Speaking of cats. Modern technologies still allow determining the state of the Schrödinger cat without opening the box. For example, a sensitive motion sensor - and by the heartbeat we will know for sure whether he is alive or not.
    The whole question is in the means of measurement and observation, and not in theories.
    1. The popuas 15 February 2020 20: 34 New
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      It’s not about life, but about existence hi
  • Petrol cutter 15 February 2020 20: 35 New
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    Talk about science, let's discuss the cat? !!!.
    Let's talk about science. My brought home a dog. Female as I understood by name. Kotov and so-above the roof. Now escho and a howling dog will be.
    Everything is fine with science.
    1. Baloo 15 February 2020 21: 00 New
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      Quote: Benzorez
      Talk about science, let's discuss the cat? !!!.
      Let's talk about science. My brought home a dog. Female as I understood by name. Kotov and so-above the roof. Now escho and a howling dog will be.
      Everything is fine with science.

      Sorry. Mine also dragged a tiny dog. They called it a sim card because of the size. He is constantly in two states - barking or climbing to caress. He is afraid of me, but does not allow me to raise my voice at home. Sometimes relieves need anywhere. It would be more like summer, I’ll leave them for a summer residence.
      1. Petrol cutter 15 February 2020 21: 06 New
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        A similar situation. And the bastard is still barking at me! Got it!
        I won’t wait, on Monday I’ll leave the factory. I will do the slipway under the "Comet120M". And they went with the dog ...
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          Quote: Benzorez
          A similar situation. And the bastard is still barking at me! Got it!
          I won’t wait, on Monday I’ll leave the factory. I will do the slipway under the "Comet120M". And they went with the dog ...

          And give the dog a mother-in-law. It’s more difficult for me, my mother-in-law barely walks, I had to bring it to us.
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            In this regard, the situation is radically opposite. Mother-in-law was taken away for a long time. There is a place to be a father in law. Poisoning all hard labor.
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      let's discuss the cat? !!!.

      A cat. Feminine sex brought my 3 weeks ago. She herself is not yet 2 months old. This is in addition to the sea boar and two parrots. So the situation is familiar.
  • gridasov 15 February 2020 21: 12 New
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    In general, the question of the simultaneity of the cat’s state is very closely intertwined with the real physical process, when at the same time the speed of the hydrodynamic flow can be maximum and minimum. Well, who will figure it out?
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      Quote: gridasov
      In general, the question of the simultaneity of the cat’s state is very closely intertwined with the real physical process, when at the same time the speed of the hydrodynamic flow can be maximum and minimum. Well, who will figure it out?

      Hinting at GDP. who announced the development of weapons in the Russian Federation on new physical principles? And it will not entail global consequences. including and for Russia?
      1. gridasov 15 February 2020 21: 35 New
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        Very much entail! if we talk about the methods and methods that we are talking about, then this completely changes our worldview in relation to highly potential physical processes. People with such knowledge gain intellectual superiority over others. Imagine that one person thinks in categories of algorithmically related processes and events, and all the rest is binary logic. In general, I want to say that there is a possibility not of opposing or confronting people between countries and nations, but of confrontation with other civilizations.
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          Quote: gridasov
          Very much entail! if we talk about the methods and methods that we are talking about, then this completely changes our worldview in relation to highly potential physical processes. People with such knowledge gain intellectual superiority over others. Imagine that one person thinks in categories of algorithmically related processes and events, and all the rest is binary logic.

          My mind has been poisoned by Marxist-Leninist philosophy from the 8th grade of high school. And in the subconscious, "tomorrow will be better than yesterday." And generally speaking,
          . And the March cat is specifically trying to throw us, so as not to think about simpler things and events.
          1. gridasov 15 February 2020 21: 43 New
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            Consciousness is not poisoned, but supplemented by a variety of views on what is happening to us.
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              Quote: gridasov
              Consciousness is not poisoned, but supplemented by a variety of views on what is happening to us.

              Everything is so, indeed how it turns out that with so many overseers and supervisors, some Zakharchenka colonels turn out to be owners of lards, and people get rid of the crumbs for the treatment of children. As it turns out, the money was inexplicably state, public property and suddenly disappeared, and no one was to blame. Does Schroeder's riddle have anything to do with this? We hear, read, see about armature and other airplanes, and suddenly it turns out that projects cannot materialize. They are and at the same time they are not. This is even cooler than quantum mechanics. Energy is given to molecules and atoms, but the gravity of some pockets is more powerful.
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                I dare to assure you that from time immemorial everything has been the same. It is rare that geniuses ruled the masses. And the plebeians very quickly forget that loyal subjects must be taken care of.
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              a variety of views

              if according to Freud, then only one look - they will not breed normally, they will breed to us.
  • Erg
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    Rare nonsense. Akin to the "Darwin theory", "theory of relativity", "theory of the expanding universe" and other ridiculous dogmas. I do not advise bogging down like that.
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      Quote: Erg
      Rare nonsense. Akin to the "Darwin theory", "theory of relativity", "theory of the expanding universe" and other ridiculous dogmas. I do not advise bogging down like that.

      But I’m asking you not to touch Darwin’s theory!
  • jekasimf 15 February 2020 21: 49 New
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    Bullshit. Why the concept of time is not introduced. For which the body of a dead cat cools down. So, by changing the amount of thermal energy in a closed room system, you can reliably determine the state of the cat. And knowing the amount of heat generated by the body of the cat, you can find out the exact time of death . Especially if the system is isolated. And there is no energy dissipation! belay
    1. gridasov 15 February 2020 22: 02 New
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      The question is not in the cat. The question is in the analysis of high-capacity databases. In combining contradictions and methods of their analysis.
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      Quote: jekasimf
      And knowing the amount of heat generated by the cat’s body, you can also find out the exact time of death. Especially if the system is isolated. And there is no energy dissipation!

      And don't forget to consider entropy in the universe. No one has yet taken it in hand. This is an intergalactic property. yes
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        Colleague, why did you say? Amendment will be made! wassat
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      Quote: jekasimf
      Bullshit. Why the concept of time is not introduced. For which the body of a dead cat cools down. So, by changing the amount of thermal energy in a closed room system, you can reliably determine the state of the cat. And knowing the amount of heat generated by the body of the cat, you can find out the exact time of death . Especially if the system is isolated. And there is no energy dissipation! belay

      It’s not about how to determine the condition of the cat without opening the box. This can be done in thousands of ways. A box is just a rough example.
      The fact is that observation, not even observation, but mere interest already leads to uncertainty and distortion of the results. Suppose on a microscopic scale, but nonetheless.
  • Tuzik 15 February 2020 22: 58 New
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    Damn, I have a one-on-one cat like in the photo, I thought my cat and he turns out to be Schrodinger)
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      I can reassure you. In this case, we are talking about a completely black cat, in a completely dark room. So the cat is not yours.
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        Thank you for calming, I'll go feed him now)
  • depressant 15 February 2020 23: 06 New
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    I read the Constitution all day. Found contradictions. I was terribly surprised: "Really no one saw?" How to combine one with the other? It is not compatible! Compared to the entanglement of the Constitution, the quantum entanglement of electrons is not a problem.
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      I read the Constitution all day

      You are in good company. Some deputies of the State Duma also recently surprised to find out that there is such a book and took up this fascinating reading. Truly ... there is a silver lining
      1. depressant 15 February 2020 23: 15 New
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        Oh no, colleague! )))
        According to the principle of the prohibition of Pauli, I and almost any State Duma deputy are in opposite states wassat
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          Oh no, colleague! )))
          According to the principle of the prohibition of Pauli, I and almost any State Duma deputy are in opposite states wassat

          You are not alone yes
  • Shahno 15 February 2020 23: 07 New
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    Yet Schrödinger is famous not for the cat, but for the equation ... The case of the macrocosm, when the Planck constant tends to 0. laughing
    PS. So there is no transition. There is a microcosm, where h> 0, and a macrocosm, where h = 0.
    These guys are a synergistic transition between states. Well, like water-steam ...
  • Shahno 15 February 2020 23: 35 New
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
    And so there are so many cats divorced.

    Cat breeding needs cats, eggs and March. In addition, the low density of veterinarians and other factors of singular invariance and EM field uncertainty expressing the runaway rate of cats according to the Lorentz-Maxwell and Heaviside formula ... wassat

    I have been aware of Lorentz Maxwell's equations since I was exactly 20 years old (hi ​​Heaviside and Green, at the same time, sleep well)
    Jews need to breed cats, this is no longer a hypothesis ... sad
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      Jews need to breed cats, this is no longer a hypothesis ...

      Exactly! Who created this quantum mechanics? “I met a gypsy, I should have stayed” - if briefly about the Jews, cats, and quantum mechanics. yes
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    What kind of Lale, some crap, maybe ale garage?
  • Gato 16 February 2020 00: 42 New
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    this Saturday night, the Military Review offers to reflect on the complexity of pairing theories of subatomic and macroscopic objects

    I have an alternative suggestion drinks
  • Shahno 16 February 2020 00: 45 New
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    Quote: Gato
    this Saturday night, the Military Review offers to reflect on the complexity of pairing theories of subatomic and macroscopic objects

    I have an alternative suggestion drinks

    Well yes. And what else to do on a warm Saturday evening.
  • 75 Sergey 16 February 2020 01: 26 New
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    Or maybe all the problems with the “cat” due to the fact that we still do not know anything about the processes in quantum mechanics?
    1. Baloo 16 February 2020 06: 28 New
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      Quote: 75Sergey
      Or maybe all the problems with the “cat” due to the fact that we still do not know anything about the processes in quantum mechanics?

      Only the Schrödinger cat and ... the Jews know them.
      1. voyaka uh 16 February 2020 11: 30 New
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        The Chinese caught up with (and possibly overtook) the Jews in quantum physics.
        Jews (USA, Canada, Israel) are ahead in quantum computers. The Chinese are ahead in quantum communication.
  • Nikolai Korovin 16 February 2020 04: 09 New
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    You would think that Schrödinger gave us his cat, not daring to openly dispute the principle of uncertainty. Well, firstly, in the original it’s not a cat, but a cat, and secondly, it’s just a joke in order to show the alleged imperfection of quantum mechanics. At the same time, Schrödinger acts as a high-ranking non-commissioned wife, since elucidating the state of the cat means the collapse of the psi function in his own equation. However, the joke does not work. Again, the notorious external observer, like that of Einstein, violates the purity of the experiment. There, you understand, you need to move at the speed of light. And here, while he opens the macroscopic box, the state of the microsystem inside the box can change. And since opening a macroscopic box requires considerable time, then if the cat is dead, then again it’s not clear at what exact moment it happened, and if not, it’s not clear whether this will happen in the very near future, if the atom decays, and the concentration of acid and in an open box for some time it will be enough to kill a cat - the molecular weight of air is 29, and hydrocyanic acid 27, and it will not quickly evaporate. Not hydrogen. Again - the cat will breathe or not immediately after opening the box. If he does not breathe, then he can and will have time to disappear, and the cat will never die at all, since there is no other way for him to part with his life in a thought experiment. In general, again there is complete uncertainty, and in general the cat is dead - I repeat, just a joke in order to show that it is not possible to combine quantum phenomena with the macrocosm. The collapse of the psi-function due to the principle of uncertainty is impossible, and many years of controversy on this subject resembles a dispute around a devoured egg. Well, they say, what difficult things scientists are doing to understand! But in fact, everyone understands that the Schrödinger cat does not in any way cancel the principle of uncertainty. It is known that the augurs in ancient Rome could not help laughing when they looked into each other's eyes. Suppose that the box is open and it is clear that the cat is dead. When did he die? Unknown Complete uncertainty. The experiment lasted an hour. Here, at one point for an hour. In which? And tzert znait, as the German observer in the 17th century wrote down the opinion of the Mordvin about when God created the world. No, that you! Scientists know when the Big Bang occurred, to the nearest hundredths of a second. Especially British.
    1. Nikolai Korovin 16 February 2020 14: 36 New
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      And anyway ... Oh, I have these scientists. No, to stroke the cat, scratch behind the ear ... No - p-p-p it-with hydrocyanic acid! There is no shame, no conscience.
    2. Polymer 16 February 2020 18: 06 New
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      Quote: Nikolai Korovin
      quantum phenomena

      I dare to correct it - there are no "quantum phenomena". There are simply phenomena and attempts to describe them in various ways. Including with the help of quantum physics.
      1. Nikolai Korovin 16 February 2020 18: 26 New
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        Maybe, of course, a little carelessly. The long-standing term was "quantum-dimensional effects." This, so to speak, about the particle in the box is no longer in theory, but in practice. But the terminology is creeping, we must look more closely, as they write now. But, in general, the decay of an atom is a phenomenon. And it happens on a quantum scale. So tzert znait how to speak correctly. Now there has been such a flurry of Englishism in Russian scientific literature that you are a little lost. Well, what does Multitran say? It is silent, however. Does not know yet quantum phenomena. But Google has 442 links. Literally - "quantum phenomena."
        1. Polymer 16 February 2020 18: 35 New
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          Quote: Nikolai Korovin
          we need to take a closer look, as they write now.

          I am not talking about that. If you make inquiries in Google, there’s a complete mess, because they write and say now whoever they want.
          It’s just that school still has a habit - the correct statement of the problem is already half of its solution. So, in my opinion, initially linking physical phenomena to the way they are described is wrong. hi
  • voyaka uh 16 February 2020 11: 28 New
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    Over the past 20 years, quantum physics has moved into the practical sphere: quantum communication, quantum computers.
    As it once was with electricity: it began to be massively used long before theories were confirmed.
    1. Nikolai Korovin 16 February 2020 18: 30 New
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      Well, computers are still under development; qubits have not yet appeared on the market. Well, the connection - of course, the photon - quantum, everyone is already used to fiber optics, Russia already started to make them, otherwise they didn’t work out at one time. And 30 years ago - a problem, of course. The theory here, however, probably goes roughly on par with practice, and is not particularly far behind.
      1. voyaka uh 16 February 2020 18: 47 New
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        Quantum computers are already on sale.
        Canadian D-Wave company produces them.
        But only 3-4 pieces were sold - expensive.
        Bought Google, Lockheed, some kind of American state laboratory.
        IBM also did, but not yet for sale.
        The Chinese organized quantum communication between the two satellites.
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          Quantum computers are already on sale

          It is very difficult to call them a full-fledged computer. Functionality is limited. Rather, experimental samples.
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            Functionality is limited. But the computational speed in this functional is 100,000 times higher than that of the most powerful conventional (cluster) supercomputers.
  • Shahno 16 February 2020 12: 49 New
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    You see, but space is very heterogeneous ...

    The space is homogeneous - curvatures arise in matter, which is distributed non-uniformly in it. The brain is also a material object, with all the consequences. Not everyone only.

    Maybe so. Einstein in general relativity believed that space-time is heterogeneous and non-isotropic. Even the equation there is the connection of this space with the mother-energy. Could AI Gridasov be a fan of GR? laughing
    1. Polymer 16 February 2020 18: 21 New
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      Quote: Shahno
      Even the equation there is the connection of this space with the mother-energy.

      My private opinion: Einstein developed a mathematical apparatus that did not quite coincide with reality. And then strange things such as “curvature of space”, “unevenness of time”, “space-time continuum”, etc. appeared. Now it’s too lazy to revise all these equations again, but from memory - there the solution does not grow together, if time is a linear quantity . So Einstein admitted that time is not linear, so that everything works out ... in the equations. And what does this have to do with reality? So it does not matter! The main thing is that everything should fit in the formulas.
  • Baloo 16 February 2020 14: 21 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Chinese caught up with (and possibly overtook) the Jews in quantum physics.
    Jews (USA, Canada, Israel) are ahead in quantum computers. The Chinese are ahead in quantum communication.

    Only Chinese Jews can outrun the Jews
  • Bshkaus 16 February 2020 16: 01 New
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    And before commenting on this article, everyone will first understand for himself what an experiment with this unfortunate cat is and after weighing all the pros and cons, it will be decided whether it accepts this theory or not.
    And it turns out from the series "I do not know, but condemn."
  • Shahno 16 February 2020 17: 51 New
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    Quote: Balu
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Chinese caught up with (and possibly overtook) the Jews in quantum physics.
    Jews (USA, Canada, Israel) are ahead in quantum computers. The Chinese are ahead in quantum communication.

    Only Chinese Jews can outrun the Jews

    Do not speak.
    Thought here. In quantum computers? Yes, there is one. Rather, all the same, in the software, Machine Learninig, for example, our representatives look pretty good.
  • Shahno 17 February 2020 13: 29 New
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    Quote: Polymer
    Quote: Shahno
    Even the equation there is the connection of this space with the mother-energy.

    My private opinion: Einstein developed a mathematical apparatus that did not quite coincide with reality. And then strange things such as “curvature of space”, “unevenness of time”, “space-time continuum”, etc. appeared. Now it’s too lazy to revise all these equations again, but from memory - there the solution does not grow together, if time is a linear quantity . So Einstein admitted that time is not linear, so that everything works out ... in the equations. And what does this have to do with reality? So it does not matter! The main thing is that everything should fit in the formulas.

    Yes, Einstein himself understood some contradictions. For example, the Einstein-Hilbert equation uses partial derivatives of the metric tensor (in the Ricci tensor). But how legitimate is it to use the description of the properties of Minkowski space in the vicinity of a point to represent macroobjects, such as the universe?