Turkish delegation arrives in Moscow for talks on Idlib on February 17

On Monday, February 17, the Turkish delegation will arrive in Moscow, which intends to discuss the current situation in the Syrian province of Idlib. This was stated by Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference.

According to the head of the Turkish Foreign Ministry, Turkey "can no longer tolerate the attacks in Idlib," and if negotiations in Moscow fail, Ankara will take "necessary steps" of a forceful nature.

On Monday, our delegation will go to Russia

- said the Turkish minister, adding that the main topic of negotiations will be Idlib and the situation in the idlib de-escalation zone.

Recall that two rounds of Russian-Turkish negotiations on the situation in Idlib have already taken place in Ankara, the parties held consultations, but the situation in the de-escalation zone has not changed.

Recall that the situation in the province of Idlib, the only one in Syria that was completely controlled by militants, changed when government forces launched an offensive in response to the ongoing bombardment of terrorists. During the offensive, the Syrian Arab army was able to free the most important strategic highway M5 Damascus-Aleppo, pushing the militants out of it.

Turkey, which has views of the province, with the help of militants from pro-Turkish groups, organized a counterattack, which was supported by its artillery, but the government forces held their ground. Turks are introducing their forces, armored vehicles and artillery into the province.

Ankara is currently accusing Damascus of assaulting Turkish observation posts, demanding that the SAA release the occupied territory and retreat to its previous positions, returning control of the M5 highway to the militants. In the event that Damascus does not withdraw its forces before the end of February, Ankara threatens with a massive blow to the positions of the Syrian army.

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[kjhg]

It is unlikely that these negotiations will bring results. The positions of the parties are directly opposite. Only one gives timid hope, neither Russia nor Turkey wants a direct military conflict among themselves. Too many joint economic projects worth many billions of dollars.
But how to untie the untied Gordian knot? To cut?

[Livonetc]

The result of these and subsequent negotiations will be the prevention of serious hostilities between Turkey and Syria.
Turkey needs to save face.
What are they actually doing.
But under no circumstances will they fight with Russia.

[cniza]

Quote: kjhg

Only one gives timid hope, neither Russia nor Turkey wants a direct military conflict among themselves.

And he will not be, Turkey is trying to intimidate no more ...

[maidan.izrailovich]

And he will not be, Turkey is trying to intimidate no more ...

The Turkish leadership is trying hard to restore relations with the United States. Erdogan has several times talked with Trump on the phone. So far, to no avail. Washington also demands concessions in bilateral relations. They also have accumulated questions. If the contradictions are resolved, then Turkey, having received American support, will become bolder.

[cniza]

Trump will demand to abandon the S-400, so Turkey in a very uncomfortable position ...

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: cniza

Turkey is trying to intimidate no more

whom to intimidate, Russia? it makes no sense to scare us. Syria, it has been fighting for 9 years and they are no longer afraid.

[cniza]

We understand this, but it seems to them that it is still possible ...

[cost]

Especially "pleased" the caption under the photo: "On Monday, our delegation will go to Russia - said the Turkish minister

Judging by the photo given to the article, the Turks decided to hit the Ankara-Moscow motor rally on the Syrian problem Head of the delegation on the way Fedor Konyukhov The road is long, only via Georgia: Gather the most necessary

[Sky strike fighter]

For Turkey, the main thing is to maintain control over Idlib in order to have leverage over Syria in the process of developing decisions on the new Constitution. It is possible to consolidate the status of autonomy for Idlib as part of Syria. I think the Turks will turn a blind eye to the fact that the M5 and the surrounding area, the suburbs of Aleppo will be behind Assad. M4 and Idlib will not give Assad a clear deal. So you can freeze the situation after the SAA pushes the green away from Aleppo so that they can’t fire at it. The attack by the SAA ends, and the Turks tacitly recognize the new front line. That's the solution.

[Retvizan 8]

I think such a successful attack by the SAA did not begin with a condachka and it is unlikely that the Assad troops would withdraw from the conquered territories.
There will be no war.
Most likely, Idlib will indeed be left to the Turks (to save face), and the demarcation line will run approximately along the M5.
I think what disadvantages Erdogan will leave if he does not stop "bullshitting", he himself perfectly understands.

[protoss]

there will be no new constitution, a campaign. I think everyone already has an understanding that a costuition committee will not be able to work. moreover, even if he worked, the Bashar had previously refused that the new constitution would form the basis of the upcoming parliamentary and presidential elections (and this is the main issue). which means the adoption of a new constitution has lost all meaning.

[Sadam]

so a similar decision was a month ago, our Turks shook hands - 4 demilitarized zones. right now the Syrians are shaking the Turks - if they sign for a new demarcation, where is the guarantee for the Turks that they will again move

[maidan.izrailovich]

It is unlikely that these negotiations will bring results. The positions of the parties are directly opposite.

The positions in Syria are really so far apart that you can’t even see any visible compromise.
Russia is unlikely to give way to Syria. Otherwise, it will mean the betrayal of Assad. Putin will never do that.
The only option to convince Erdogan to give up is economic nishtyaki. Type of cheap gas and free nuclear power plants. What else can you offer him?

[Sky strike fighter]

Autonomy of the remaining part of Idlib within Syria, provided that all Turkish observation posts are withdrawn from CAA-controlled territory, especially those that block traffic on the M5. The same recipe is possible with Rozhava. Autonomy within Syria under the new Constitution. will. The interests of all players will be respected, the war will actually end. Rojava and Idlib cannot be self-sufficient without an alliance with Damascus under the new Constitution.

[Gene84]

Quote: kjhg

neither Russia nor Turkey want a direct military conflict between themselves.

There will be no direct conflict between Russia and Turkey. There will be some agreement on mutual concessions.

[Maz]

The Turkish lira weakened amid discussions of the conflict in Idlib and crossed the psychological line of 6 lira for the US dollar. Today for $ 1 in Turkey they give 6 lira 8 chicken! It looks like the sultan of all tomatoes cuts the branch on which he sits. And the SAA in Syria completely pushed the front from the M5 highway, capturing three more villages, creating another environmental threat for the positions of the militants. The Syrian army also managed to take the n. Kafr Naha. Parts of the SAA from Uram al-Kubra, converging with the soldiers in Khan al-Asl, are now able to ensure complete safety on this section of the route. M5. The SAA reports the capture of Maaret al-Naasan. Just a song!

The Syrians, in order to prevent the militants from transferring forces from under the western part of Alleppo, are also conducting an operation there, attacking in different directions. Oh, the hand of the Russian General Staff is visible. This is not an Israeli rat scuffle in the region. It seems that the front of the bearded just collapses. They cannot understand the direction of the main blow and where to send the reserves. Apparently, the Turks, Americans and Israelis will now begin to "help" them. We are waiting for provocations (the plane will be shot down, bombed out, a chemical attack will be invented, covered by the Russian side, the ambassador will be killed, civilian losses will be invented ... etc. etc.. In open battle with an equal adversary, these guys do not shine with either intelligence or organization, or even more with perseverance and experience. It’s not for nothing that our Ivanes dangled and set their brains on the Syrians.

Erdogan will not be envied: the commander of the Libyan National Army (LNA), Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar, said that peace and a ceasefire in Libya are possible only after the elimination of terrorists and armed groups, as well as the expulsion of mercenaries from the country, which Turkey sends and finances.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: kjhg

On Monday, February 17, the Turkish delegation will arrive in Moscow, which intends to discuss the current situation in the Syrian province of Idlib. This was stated by Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference.

Brains will powder again ...

[Chaldon48]

Putin will not agree with the Turks, this is 100%, I think a compromise will be found, but the Turks will continue to insist on their own, so as not to lose face.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: kjhg

It is unlikely that these negotiations will bring results. The positions of the parties are directly opposite. Only one gives timid hope, neither Russia nor Turkey wants a direct military conflict among themselves. Too many joint economic projects worth many billions of dollars.
But how to untie the untied Gordian knot? To cut?

Now they will "convince" the Turks to recognize the realities prevailing at the time of the negotiations and, in accordance with them, to consolidate a new line of demarcation, under the guarantees of stopping a further offensive by the SAA. At the same time, the ball will be rolled out to Ankara, that the offensive became possible due to the inaction of the Turks, who did not prevent the militants from shelling civilians, the positions of the SAA and the expulsion of UAVs in the direction of the Russian base in Khmeimim, and therefore they will take from them the obligation to calm down the uncontrollable barmaley on their own, because in Otherwise, the offensive will be resumed. In principle, it is still possible to stop at what has been achieved so as not to exacerbate the situation to a full-scale war. And so not a small piece of territory from Erdogan was pulled out from under the nose.

[kjhg]

Quote: Nyrobsky

In principle, one can so far rest on what has been achieved so as not to aggravate the situation before a full-scale war. And so, not a small piece of territory near Erdogan was pulled out from under the nose.

I agree. It would be better, of course, to finally defeat the Idlib viper, but if there is no certainty that the Turks will not go on a full-scale attack, then it is better to let them cool down a bit.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: kjhg

Quote: Nyrobsky

In principle, one can so far rest on what has been achieved so as not to aggravate the situation before a full-scale war. And so, not a small piece of territory near Erdogan was pulled out from under the nose.

I agree. It would be better, of course, to finally defeat the Idlib viper, but if there is no certainty that the Turks will not go on a full-scale attack, then it is better to let them cool down a bit.

This will be the best option, because the militants will still not allow the next truce to be settled and in the foreseeable future they will again give a reason for the SAA's resumption of the offensive and thereby once again emphasize Ankara's non-negotiability. Sponsors do not pay bearded men for absenteeism.

[kjhg]

Our views on the assessment of the current situation in Idlib and on its future development fully coincide. My regards

[SanSanych Gusev]

Give the green buses!

[JonnyT]

What is "Turkey will not tolerate?"

How will it be! The agreement had to be observed. Putin holds personal claims to the undersultan, he saved him, he swore of friendship, and behaved like a rat and the Sultan is waiting for a "life lesson"

P.S. here is an answer to them with all possible assistance and sponsorship of terrorists in the sowing. The Caucasus will fly. Vova remembers everything

[protoss]

Vova saved Recep? really believe in this duck?

[Mountain shooter]

Could - would have hit for a long time ... And they again to Moscow for negotiations. And the CAA continues the offensive. Militants lose faith in victory, and slowly scatter (well, or will start soon) ... And Erdogan with his plan of creeping expansion in Syria remains out of work ... And the economy - it is such ... a war can dramatically worsen the situation in Turkey .
Syria SHOULD NOT cede its territory!

[cniza]

Could - would have hit for a long time ... And they again to Moscow for negotiations.

Of course, they are trying to take in fright ...

[Demagogue]

As I predicted, the CAA occupied almost the entire highway 60. We took Kubra. Kafr Niall remained. Already crept to highway 62 at Tablata. If they cut him and saddle the highway, then the barmalei will run. It is clear that the Turks are in a hurry to fix everything as is, until they are no longer lost.

[Sergey39]

Is it too late? By the end of the negotiations, the subject of negotiations will disappear. That is, it will be too late.

[Gene84]

It won't be too late. The Syrian army has enough work. Above, Demagogue (Andrei) indicated that "the Turks are in a hurry to fix everything as it is."

[Sergey39]

So I say that they will not have time. The Barmaley will flee, and only the Turkish "observers" will remain.

[askort154]

If the "Sochi treaty" is not being fulfilled, there remains one option - "pre-Sochi." Turkey leaves the territory of Syria, Russia removes its patrol from the Idlib zone.
Kurds are returning to their places in the border zone. Syria solves the "Idlib problem" on its own. And this will be true for everyone.

[cniza]

Ankara is currently accusing Damascus of assaulting Turkish observation posts, demanding that the SAA release the occupied territory and retreat to its previous positions, returning control of the M5 highway to the militants.

There is no limit to arrogance, no one ever returns anything in such matters, but it’s time for the Turks to go home.

[Thrifty]

If, and to negotiate, only after the Turks have fulfilled their obligations to destroy the militants in that region. And, without concrete actions, they have nothing to do here.

[xambo]

On Monday, our delegation will go to Russia

Netanyahu already visited previously)))

[knn54]

TAM, there are many Kurds in Assad’s army. There are many Al Qaeda in the ranks of pro-Turkish militants.
So there is room for reflection on coordination.
Erdogan opposition blames softness.
Turkey and Russia had 12 wars. 13-the number in itself is not good.

[Pacifist with AK]

We need to squeeze the situation, otherwise the price for the presence of the Russian Armed Forces in Syria is worthless. IMHO.

[parusnik]

Turkey "can no longer tolerate attacks in Idlib"

.... The last "Turkish" warning? The parties will come to a compromise ... And so it surprises ... A third party, Assad is not called ... His presence would not hurt ....

[xambo]

Quote: parusnik

And so it surprises ... Third party, Assad is not called ... His presence would not hurt ....

It would be better Israel ..

[Gene84]

In foreign policy interests, Syria, IMHO, represents Moscow. Turkey does not want to negotiate with Assad. Turkey considers Assad’s power not legitimate.

[protoss]

Quote: parusnik

Third party, Assad is not calling ...

It’s high time to understand that in this proxy war, Assad, Greens, Isis and Kurds of the same proxy level are the lower level.
Turkey, Iran, the USA and Russia are the highest level. at the same time, the task of the sponsors is not to hurt each other, battling the lower-level aborigines.

[Dr. Sorge]

Most likely, for the sake of tomatoes, they will give the bearded idlib to a friend to the ridge.

[Lamata]

The demands are simply amazing, withdraw Syrian troops from their own territory and give the land to the barmales !!!! How to respond to RF.

[Ros 56]

I didn’t understand something, the demand for the withdrawal of my troops from my own territory, was that how international law began to be interpreted? Interestingly, does this concern everyone, or only the Turks and the exceptional ones?

[Lamata]

Apparently this is a new word in international law.

[Oquzyurd]

In the past 30 years, there is no international law, or rather, everyone interprets "law" from their own window. So this is not a new word.

[protoss]

but is it still there, international law? I think everyone buried him a long time ago.

[Lamata]

It, so to speak, is developing in new directions.

[Mentat]

Quote: Ros 56

I didn’t understand something, the demand for the withdrawal of my troops from my own territory, was that how international law began to be interpreted? Interestingly, does this concern everyone, or only the Turks and the exceptional ones?

The Turks suddenly imagined themselves parochial "exceptional." The collapse of such fantasies will be painful if they do not come to their senses.

It is not known from which fright Erdogan had ideas about the possibility of such behavior, but it is impossible for modern Turkey in its position. In fact, the Turkish president is on the path to weakening his own state.

[protoss]

Turks suddenly imagined themselves parochial “exceptional”

Turks have been there for 900 years, local exceptional. so no one suddenly happened, they did not change their opinion of themselves.

[Ros 56]

So then what are we waiting for, for a long time it has been necessary for some nickels to clean off 150 years ahead.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

But after all, Turkey clearly violates the agreement: they should have long been to persuade the militants to release the M5!
However, Turkey is committing aggression and occupation in Syria under the guise of protecting "civilians".
Successful negotiations!

[protoss]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

But after all, Turkey clearly violates the agreement: they should have long been to persuade the militants to release the M5!

read the very agreements of September 2018. officially, however, they were not published (which is interesting), but there were plums in the media. I read the English version. so the first point is that the parties confirm the de-escalation zone, the second - Russia is taking measures to stop any attacks on this zone. but further on, about the demarcation of the opposition, the withdrawal of heavy weapons over 20 km, the restoration of traffic on m4 and m5 (not transferring asad, note) and the corresponding terms for this in points. so, Russia has not provided a single day without strikes in the zone from the moment it was signed (moreover, it wasn’t a crazy sadyk shot from baking, but deliberate actions of artillery and air force of Assad, and of the Russian Federation). to which it is reasonable that oppositionists of varying degrees of radicalism and moderation refused to retreat for 20 km under bombs.
so, in Sochi, the Turks owe us nothing. as indeed we are to them, because we have not published the treaty anywhere, so it is as if there is none. if the Turks even present something now, then we can say that this is a fake agreement, and the real one is completely different, but we will not show it.

[Mentat]

Quote: protoss

Turks suddenly imagined themselves parochial “exceptional”

Turks have been there for 900 years, local exceptional. so no one suddenly happened, they did not change their opinion of themselves.

Why write such nonsense? There are no “exceptional” nations. Come to your senses.

[Arg107]

Turkish delegation arrives in Moscow for talks on Idlib on February 17

Great illustration! Presumably, the Turkish delegation will arrive in Moscow in these stupid cars.

[Alexey from Perm]

Most likely there will be a Syrian war against Turkey ..

[ABM]

Donbass - one to one situation

[Xomaik]

Turkish army will go to solve problems by force anyway

[Chingachguk]

Up to this date, Idlib must be completely controlled! And then say this delegation --- thank you all, everyone is free! We have no more terrorists in Idlib, so let him transfer his military equipment back to his Turkey.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I wonder who is trickier? Putin or Erdogan?