Automatic for Aelita


Aelita. Shot from the Soviet silent movie of 1924


“In the hands of everyone weapon in the form of a short, with a disk in the middle, automatic gun.
Gusev, staring, stood near the apparatus. Holding his hand on the Mauser, he glanced as the Martians lined up in two rows. Their guns were muzzle on a bent arm.
“Weapons, scum, like women keep,” he grumbled. ”
A.N. Tolstoy. Aelita


People and weapons. It so happened on our planet that weapons accompany us everywhere and everywhere, and even an inveterate pacifist who did not hold him in his hands for a period of time, anyway at least once, but he saw him in the cinema. And if he doesn’t watch a movie like that, then he went to school, read children's books, and there weapons are mentioned even in children's verses. In a word, it is everywhere with us: in verses, and in prose, and on TV, and on training grounds, and in battles.

Automatic for Aelita
And this is the then advertisement for this film. Just kill God, I don’t understand why he was then called a militant?

Moreover, very often in the same literature, authors of works, describing the weapons of their heroes, sometimes make interesting finds, it is possible that by accident, or maybe on purpose. One of the first on this path we will meet Alexei Tolstoy, who wrote his famous novel “Aelita” back in 1922 and after that became the father of new Soviet science fiction. Already in 1924, the novel was filmed and, although this film adaptation was too free, it was nevertheless very interesting in its own way and also fell into the category of classics of young Soviet cinema.

It is hardly worth retelling the plot of the novel. For me personally, it was important that I met him a very long time, almost in elementary school, knew him by heart, and subsequently even made a diorama with an egg-shaped apparatus on the sandy surface of Mars and figures of engineer Los, the Red Armyman Gusev and red cacti in scale 1 : 72. All exactly the same as on the cover of my book then available.


My favorite Aelita cover

In the novel, I was attracted by the description of the Martian weapon: "... a short automatic rifle with a disk in the middle." And, it turns out, not only me alone. Recently I meet a note about this on Yandex.Dzen. A typical truncated manner of presentation, but curious. It is curious that the local author drew attention to such a petty fact as the phrase “disk in the middle” is. Actually, this is the main detail in the description of the Martian automaton. This is a short gun that the “Martian scum” hold “like women”, that is, putting the barrel on a bent left hand and not holding the forearm. His caliber was also small, since the metal door that Gusev carried during the uprising, hiding behind her like a shield, did not penetrate these rifles.


Since Aelita has been published many times, there are such covers among its covers

The first thing that came to the mind of the Zenov was to compare the described “Martian assault rifle” with the Degtyarev submachine gun created by him in 1929. It had a perforated barrel casing, a handle for easy holding from the bottom, and a disk magazine mounted on top of the receiver. The receiver was similar to the DP machine gun box. The shutter handle with a classic ball at the end (drilled for relief) was on the right. The stock and butt are wooden. The submachine gun was equipped with a fire translator, and could fire both single shots and bursts. Moreover, the fuse and translator were separate parts and were on different sides of the receiver. The aiming plate, combined with the store’s receiver, was designed for shooting up to 200 m.

The rate of fire was very large - 1000 rounds per minute. But different sources write differently about the store’s capacity, you can find both 22 cartridges and 44. There are, of course, few cartridges for a disk store, especially with such a rate of fire.


Experienced 1929 Degtyarev submachine gun

But here just the first contradiction arises. The eye sees what it sees, while what it sees is first noted in detail. And having looked at this automatic machine, we, too, first of all would have noted precisely this: “with a store on top”. Above, but not in the middle, as is written in a novel by Tolstoy! And similarly, PPD and PPSh are not suitable as relatives to the “Martian assault rifle” - their stores are located below. Yes, maybe they are just in the middle, but from below, and the Degtyarevsky PP store is clearly from above. Here’s such a “trifle”, and look what an interesting riddle the author posed for us: how to position the store on a submachine gun so that it looks purely visually on it in the middle and at the same time works.

First, I remember that a long time ago it occurred to me: the store at this machine, of course, should be round, disk, and put on it from the barrel, for which it should have a central hole. And so that he, speaking beyond the dimensions of the barrel, does not interfere with the aim, all sights are mounted on it along the receiver. I hadn’t seen the M16 rifle and its sight, combined with a carrying handle, at that time, otherwise I would probably try to make myself such a “Martian assault rifle” for playing war, taking as a store a large can of pickled herring - It would probably come out very cool. But time passed, the past was somewhat forgotten, but I read the indicated material, and immediately everything was remembered, as if it were yesterday. And I thought: what would an automatic machine for Aelita still look like if we would begin to film this film today? So that he could shoot and reflect the culture of the Martians - all their favorite spirals, described in the novel by A. Tolstoy.


Ihoshka and Martian soldiers next to her - a complete horror for 1924!

Let's start with the main thing - the barrel, receiver, butt. Everything is simple, there is nothing to be wise: the casing is round in cross section, like the PPD, there are many perforated holes, the receiver is in the form of a pipe with a shutter handle on the right or left, and the butt is of a classic rifle shape, because they invented nothing better. There is an illustration from one later edition of Aelita, which shows a Martian with this “gun”, equipped with a PPD / PPSh type magazine, and a tube butt. Well, in principle, you can put such a butt on our weapons, why not?


Here it is, this illustration ... Poor fantasy of the artist. Poor thing! I could have come up with a better butt, if I had already put a PPSh store on my machine gun!

But, of course, the highlight of the whole design will be our store. It has the shape of a through disk of a sufficiently large diameter, so that through it you can look and aim. Nothing prevents this. To provide him with a rigid mount on the machine, three U-shaped stops are provided, one of which is a U-shaped store receiver with a latch, and the other two are located - one on the handle on the bottom, which provides the arrow with a comfortable hold on the weapon, and the other on the right on the additional a handle that, say, a Martian left-hander could use when shooting, if they have one. Moreover, it can be made folding, so that in the stowed position it does not interfere with the arrow. Inside the store there is a spiral "process" through which the supply of cartridges is carried out, and which just goes into the neck of the receiver.


Beauty Aelita!

A sufficiently large radius of the store allows you to conveniently place the cartridges inside it in a checkerboard pattern, that is, increase its capacity and ensure their reliable supply, since inside such a “snail” the feeder spring will work best. Snail shops began to be installed on Parabellum pistols during the First World War. They fit 32 cartridges, but the spring had to go through a special bend, which, of course, did not add reliability to the feed. Subsequently, the first "real", so to say, MP-18 submachine gun was equipped with such a snail shop. However, he “didn’t go further”, and precisely because of his low reliability.


Shop snail from MR-18

Well, in our Martian submachine gun the spring will be very comfortable, so that delays due to it on it can be completely eliminated. For convenience, the magazine lock control key can be placed in the back of the receiver under the thumb of the right hand. Well, the magazine is removed and put on through the barrel with the left hand, while the right submachine gun would be held by the neck of the butt. The back wall can be made of transparent plastic, which would make it possible to visually control the consumption of cartridges, which in such a store, and even a small "Martian caliber", could be more than a hundred ...


Our Martian machine with a disk store in the middle. Fig. A. Sheps

One can argue, of course, that with such a store, the dimensions of the weapon are significantly increased. But Martian soldiers fired from such “guns” over the sides of their flying ships, so that would not hurt them!

And it seems to me personally that we got a good gymnastics for the mind, and besides, suddenly some of our director is really captivated by the beautiful Aelita, and ... by our machine gun! And finally he will make a feature film worthy of modern technology based on this novel.
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  1. dzvero 21 February 2020 18: 37 New
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    For Friday's fantasy to the author + smile Interestingly outlined ...
    1. Rusty General 21 February 2020 18: 55 New
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      Yes, plus. Even five plus. But there are inaccuracies. In my opinion, an automatic gun for an aelite is not a machine gun, but a real assault rifle, a semi-automatic one that does not support fire in bursts. Well, remember, somewhere in the novel there was shooting in bursts?
      There was no such thing.
      Next.
      Since it is known for sure that the disk was located on top like that of the DP-27, and besides, the question arises exactly in the middle, and what exactly is the best for locking the barrel?
      Huh?
      And accordingly, what is the length of the barrel in the proportions of weapons?
      Since it becomes clear that this is definitely not a machine gun, the question arises of which cartridge is more suitable for such a weapon.
      Pistol?
      Not??
      Intermediate?
      Not??
      Rifle??
      Not??
      Oh yeah, do not forget that the Martians in Tolstoy’s “Aelit” were rather feeble.
      And if we recall that when building the Martians (at the first) meeting, Gusev said that the Martians hold guns like women, then we can imagine that physically the Martians were clearly not athletes.
      Add here that the weight on Mars is much lower than on Earth.
      And now an interesting theoretical question arises, so what kind of weapon did the Martians have ???
      Let's fantasize.
      1. dzvero 21 February 2020 19: 15 New
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        NK 4.6x30 mm
        crank locking; it is possible that the levers move an additional mass behind the countercurrent to compensate for the recoil - hence the large length behind the bolt.
        Even at that moment, the roots of the gloomy Teutonic genius can be seen. smile
      2. kalibr 21 February 2020 19: 28 New
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        Quote: Rusty General
        Since it is absolutely known that the disk was located on top

        This is exactly what is unknown. The text is in front of you.
        1. Catfish 21 February 2020 20: 59 New
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          Good evening, Vyacheslav. hi
          Pleased and a little laugh, did not expect such a topic. smile
          Then the people have seriously figured out that for slender Martians, small caliber is enough for the eyes. I propose my own option: American-180. And the caliber is 22 LR, and, most importantly, the disc is on top, and it weighs a little. For the feeble Martians - the most. wink
          1. kalibr 21 February 2020 21: 55 New
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            He wrote about him and thought the same thing, but he wanted something original ... to the impossibility. Thought - can I come up with? And so I could!
            1. Catfish 21 February 2020 22: 02 New
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              Yes, for sure, you came up with a pretty funny thing. The current creators of the “Martian weapons” are resting, it painfully everything seems to have one on the other, although in comparison with what they painted in the twenties, of course, progress. Well, it hurts all somehow standard. request
              1. Lexus 21 February 2020 22: 20 New
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                Mauser forever!

                Like the MG-42))))
                1. Constanty 23 February 2020 13: 58 New
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                  Mauser C-96 or MG-42 is much better than it is anyway DL-18 Blaster Pistol are based on Umarex RO-72 air gun

                  lol
              2. Lexus 21 February 2020 22: 46 New
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                Kriss Super V in a fantastic custom “body kit”)
                1. Catfish 21 February 2020 22: 52 New
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                  He is, but a couple of times increased. smile
            2. Lexus 21 February 2020 22: 10 New
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              Vyacheslav hi , to show the public a woman with a monobrow and three mammary glands in a wheeler is a blow below the waist! It, the "festive mood", as it were, and does not contribute to reproduction, but suddenly dream? What to shoot from?
      3. Martin 21 February 2020 19: 34 New
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        Since it is absolutely known that the disk was located on top like that of the DP-27,

        This is where such a “precisely known”? In the novel, neither a word about “from above” nor about “DP-27” is said.
  2. businessv 21 February 2020 18: 48 New
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    suddenly some of our director is really captivated by the beautiful Aelita, and ... by our machine gun! And finally he will make a feature film worthy of modern technology based on this novel.
    Class! Vyacheslav, thank you very much, fun and entertaining! Under such a disk, you can also come up with support devices on the sides of Martian ships! good
  3. Martin 21 February 2020 18: 53 New
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    The first association on this subject that arose in my boyish brain during the first reading of Aelita was the PPSh machine. There was even no doubt that the “middle” is the middle below.
    And about the proposed layout - dimensions. The overboard version is unconvincing. When Gusev ran with the door, street fights were normal for themselves. Run up the stairs or in a crowd with such a ring. But the option with the rebel in the picture is just that. By the way, I have a book with such pictures that is still alive. And a lightweight butt in the subject. By the time of the arrival of Elk and Gusev, the Martians had a war in the past. Soldiers are more about the police holding the Martian proletariat in obedience.
  4. Vladimir_2U 21 February 2020 19: 09 New
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    Tolstoy, as a writer, was stronger than Shpakovsky, and he could have distinguished the ring from the disk, and described it clearly enough.
    His caliber was also small, since the metal door that Gusev carried during the uprising, hiding behind her like a shield, did not penetrate these rifles
    The conclusion about the small caliber as the reason for the low penetration ability is lower than the plinth, although the author of the article recalls submachine guns and even the Martian PP called the weapon itself. 9 mm The pair is not a small caliber, but 7,62 TT with a smaller caliber is much more armor-piercing. Some kind of gymnastics for the defective came out.
    1. kalibr 21 February 2020 19: 25 New
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      You probably have not read the novel for a long time. There is also about the weak action of Martian bullets, and the weak action is a small caliber. But you can’t rewrite the whole novel here.
      1. Vladimir_2U 21 February 2020 19: 47 New
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        Or a very low initial speed, a bullet from small things, for example, on an unprotected target nearby has a very strong effect.
        Quote: Martyn
        Maybe they had rubber bullets
        By the way, yes, local plastic.
    2. Martin 21 February 2020 19: 42 New
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      The conclusion about small caliber as a cause of low penetration

      Literally: “Gusev himself knew the weak effect of Martian bullets” ©
      Perhaps, of course, the local warrant officers didn’t report gunpowder into their shells. winked

      As I understand it, they were weak for Gusev, because stopping action, selected under the feeble Martians, was clearly insufficient for earthlings. In addition, as I have already suggested, the “soldiers” were, rather, police units. Maybe they had rubber bullets? Gusev didn’t hear about such people.
      1. Vladimir_2U 21 February 2020 19: 47 New
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        Or a very low initial speed, a bullet from small things, for example, on an unprotected target nearby has a very strong effect.
        Quote: Martyn
        Maybe they had rubber bullets
        By the way, yes, local plastic.
    3. garri-lin 21 February 2020 20: 12 New
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      But in this I agree with you 100 percent. Plus, transferring Earth calibers to Mars is simply stupid.
      1. sergo1914 21 February 2020 22: 11 New
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        Quote: garri-lin
        But in this I agree with you 100 percent. Plus, transferring Earth calibers to Mars is simply stupid.


        It was normal to transfer to space. And here is some kind of atmosphere.
        1. garri-lin 21 February 2020 23: 08 New
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          I'm talking about the parameters of the goal. Martians are subtle. Judging by the description, these are humanoids about 150 cm tall. Thin bones and slender. With weak muscles. Even a large crowd of them can not defeat earthlings. Why do they need 9 mm caliber?
          1. sergo1914 22 February 2020 08: 34 New
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            Quote: garri-lin
            I'm talking about the parameters of the goal. Martians are subtle. Judging by the description, these are humanoids about 150 cm tall. Thin bones and slender. With weak muscles. Even a large crowd of them can not defeat earthlings. Why do they need 9 mm caliber?



            In order not to rewrite the charters.
    4. Catfish 21 February 2020 20: 43 New
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      Barrel length hi . With the same cartridge 9x19, P.38 from twenty meters pierces a telegraph pole, and P.08 - no. The same difference between the TT and the Mauser K-96, and also with almost the same cartridge.
      1. sergo1914 21 February 2020 22: 14 New
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        Quote: Sea Cat
        breaks through a telegraph pole


        Here I would advise you to stop ... well, either continue, but without weapons analytics. Is there anything about this?


        1. Catfish 21 February 2020 22: 32 New
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          I understand that things are going on by night ... wink But be careful and follow safety precautions! soldier
          1. Lexus 21 February 2020 23: 02 New
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            Kostya, Asians, as a rule, are unsuccessful copies. But, damn it, what are the "weighty arguments" ... The masculine "pan-European punts" such "expressive eyes" now do not dream without an operation.
            1. Catfish 21 February 2020 23: 11 New
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              Lesha, and this young lady clearly could not do without operations, which is higher, lower, and, of course, yes, she is impressive. And she didn’t need anything at all. I would also put something here, but ... "Zarathustra does not allow", banned in FIG. wink
              1. Lexus 21 February 2020 23: 25 New
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                "Zarastura" we convey "fiery greetings." And those who want to ban, let them prove that the “eyes” are not weapons. The creator always, somewhere diminishing, in another place compensates. At work, I was convinced of this. I agree with you that the little girl’s “cut through” the loafers.drinks
                1. Catfish 21 February 2020 23: 29 New
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                  It’s like Cruise had, the name of the store is “Knives and trunks”, but it was also necessary to add “eyes”. drinks
                  1. Lexus 21 February 2020 23: 38 New
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                    Yeah, now the “trunk” attached to the head will not scare anyone from the warlike “sisterhood”. "Discharge" at a time and "behind the eyes." drinks
                2. Freeman 22 February 2020 03: 06 New
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                  Lexus (Alex) Yesterday, 23:25
                  ... let them prove that "eyes" are not weapons ...


                  The "evidence" has no chance.
                  On our side are "undeniable video facts."

                  laughing
        2. SARANCHA1976 28 February 2020 22: 47 New
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          The third from the far edge tits offset
  5. Undecim 21 February 2020 19: 27 New
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    But here just the first contradiction arises. The eye sees what it sees, while what it sees is first noted in detail. And having looked at this automatic machine, we, too, first of all would have noted precisely this: “with a store on top”. Above, but not in the middle, as is written in a novel by Tolstoy! And similarly, PPD and PPSh are not suitable as relatives to the “Martian assault rifle” - their stores are located below. Yes, maybe they are just in the middle, but from below, and the Degtyarevsky PP store is clearly from above. Here’s such a “trifle”, and look what an interesting riddle the author posed for us: how to position the store on a submachine gun so that it looks purely visually on it in the middle and at the same time works.
    The author did not pose any riddles. Being a professional and fluent in Russian, he knew very well that in the Russian language the “middle” is a place more or less equally distant from the edges, ends of something.
    And one moment. In the original version of the novel, which Tolstoy wrote in exile in 1922, there were no “short automatic rifles with a disk in the middle”. And hardly in Berlin Tolstoy had the opportunity to get acquainted with the first submachine guns of the type Standschütze Hellriegel M1915.

    "Short automatic rifles with a disk in the middle" appeared in that version of the novel that we all read in childhood and which Tolstoy wrote in 1937 for Detgiz, returning to the USSR.
    And his "short automatic rifle with a disk in the middle" Tolstoy clearly "designed" under the influence of Degtyarev products.
    1. kalibr 21 February 2020 19: 36 New
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      Quote: Undecim
      there were no "short automatic rifles with a disk in the middle".

      I didn’t know about it. But what was there instead?
      1. Undecim 21 February 2020 20: 44 New
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        But what was there instead?
        I can definitely answer when I find the binder of Krasnaya Nov magazine for 1922-1923.
        1. Undecim 21 February 2020 22: 51 New
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          Found the original version. It turns out the memory failed me. And in the original version, "Slender figures of Martians ran down the ladders. They were in identical, egg-shaped helmets, in silver, wide jackets, with thick collars covering the neck and bottom of the face. Each held a weapon, in the form of a short one, with a disk in the middle, an automatic shotgun. "
          So Degtyarev is removed from the agenda. The only challenger remains is John T. Thompson and his M1921 Thompson.

          Just in May 1921, Thompson conducted an advertising tour of European capitals in order to promote his "Tommy Gun" on the market, which was widely covered in the European press.
          So Tolstoy could draw a fresh idea.
          1. Lexus 21 February 2020 23: 13 New
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            "Disks" are "custom." lol
          2. kalibr 22 February 2020 07: 03 New
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            Apparently it was!
    2. John22 22 February 2020 21: 04 New
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      PP Bergman MR 18 with a snail magazine from R 08 was produced from April 1918. It was used in 1 MV. Later was in service with the German police. Tolstoy in Germany could see MP 18. In general, a drum magazine connected to the PP from below appeared on Thompson M 21. At 50 and 100 rounds.
  6. 75 Sergey 21 February 2020 19: 29 New
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    Do you smoke? Throw it!
  7. Lamata 21 February 2020 19: 56 New
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    Vyacheslav Olegovich !!! very entertaining and interesting. And he did not know that this film was in 1924. Could our ancestors.
  8. Rusty General 21 February 2020 20: 03 New
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    Quote: Undecim
    And his "short automatic rifle with a disk in the middle" Tolstoy clearly "designed" under the influence of Degtyarev products.

    Absolutely believable.
    Why did I write about the disc from above, it’s just immediately associated with Degtyarev.
    Well, I just can’t imagine the drive from below.
    PPSh and PPD somehow do not fit. Well, here I was when I read the book (for a long time, of course, for some reason the DP-27 redone introduced itself for some reason). By the way, the modern DP-O once fits the description of Tolstoy.
    And the fire is only solitary.
    I wonder how many rounds of ammunition store?

    It is clear that this is all fantasy.
    Well, let's consider this as a performance requirement.
    And let's see what happens.
  9. Van 16 21 February 2020 20: 10 New
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    Thanks! As always interesting, they remembered a very good book, for its time it’s generally wonderful!
  10. garri-lin 21 February 2020 20: 21 New
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    About the weak effect of bullets. We proceed from the anatomy of the Martians. Mentile, gravity is less, therefore, muscle strength is less and tissue density is less likely to occur. To defeat such a target, a weak bullet is needed. Which was available to the Martians. Caliber? Any proportional to the size of the Martian. 9? Not much. 6? Perhaps, but also a lot. 4? More likely. Bullet speed? Why so much? The goal is soft. Plus speed can be judged by the description in the novel of the sounds of a shot. I think the Martians had an analogue of the weakest cartridge of 22 caliber. Speaking of returns, you also need to think about it. How will the weak, thin-boned weak Martians cope with the return.
  11. bubalik 21 February 2020 20: 54 New
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    what came to mind of the Zenov was to compare the described “Martian assault rifle” with the Degtyarev submachine gun, created by that in 1929.
    ,,, with a novel written in 1922?
    1. Catfish 21 February 2020 21: 24 New
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      Hello Seryozha! hi
      It's easy for you to talk here
      what came to mind of the Zenov was to compare the described “Martian assault rifle” with the Degtyarev submachine gun, created by that in 1929.
      ,,, with a novel written in 1922?

      And if a person dreams at night ... laughing
      1. 3x3zsave 21 February 2020 22: 19 New
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        And if a person dreams at night ...
        Sadly, if a person dreams of “Mars attacks!” ... Vitamins, apparently, are not enough ...
      2. bubalik 21 February 2020 22: 27 New
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        Vyacheslav O. needed to collect more novels fellow
        Bulgakov, “Fatal Eggs”:

        “They had only one electric revolver, but it was already a good defense. The fifty-charged model of the 27th year, the pride of French technology for close combat, beat just a hundred steps, but gave the field two meters in diameter, and in this field it killed all living things on the spot. It was very difficult to miss. Schukin put on a shiny electric toy, and Polaitis, an ordinary 25-shot belt machine gunner, took clips, and on one motorcycle, in the morning dew and chill, they rolled down the highway to the state farm. ”


        The author of The Secret of Two Oceans, Grigory Adamov, in The Exile of the Lord, gave perhaps the most detailed description of weapons from an engineering point of view:

        “Have you seen a light gun?”

        - Luminous?

        Dima immediately forgot all his perplexed questions.

        The pistol had a wide flat handle, like the old Mausers, and two short muzzle, located one above the other. The upper muzzle ended with a regular bell in the form of a cup with a shiny, like a mirror, inner surface.

        “This cup,” Berezin explained, “plays the role of a reflector, and the small hole in its center is the final hole of the upper barrel on which it is mounted.” This is the light muzzle ....
        1. hohol95 21 February 2020 23: 26 New
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          “They had only one electric revolver, but it was already a good defense.

          So Bulgakov set the fashion for electric or electronic revolvers (automatic pistols or compact submachine guns)!
          Grigory GREBNEV
          Arctania
          (Flying station)
          "The revolver found by Yura was lying on the desk.
          - What does Comrade Andreichik Stepan Nikitich think of this find? - asked Vetlugin. Grandfather Andreychik raised his eyebrows.
          Yes, I reviewed it. This is an electronic light machine gun. The crosses called him "David's sling." Appeared to them shortly before the defeat of the Northern Armada. They were armed with commanders. "
        2. Michael_Zverev 23 February 2020 14: 31 New
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          By the way, I was always interested in what kind of "machine gun belt" this is. I see it this way: a “machine gun” is a tracing-paper from the French “mitraillette” - “a submachine gun”, literally “a small machine gun, a machine gun”, and the fact that it is called a belt gun indicates that it was carried in a belt holster like a gun, t .e. something like Uzi or Ingram looms in the imagination.
  12. Reserve buildbat 21 February 2020 21: 25 New
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    I read the article, read the comments ... I did not understand: WHERE ARE THE READY DRAWING, comrades? laughing
  13. Blacksmith 55 21 February 2020 21: 31 New
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    I read a book with drawings, and the Martian with a "gun" is familiar.
    If you are already fantasizing, for some reason no one thought about gunpowder, I think the quality of gunpowder and the weak effect of bullets are interrelated.
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    it’s funny to look at old foty ... maybe at that time the actress who played Aelita was considered a beauty. But here is the first impression - what, did Aelitu play a man? ;)
    1. kalibr 21 February 2020 21: 51 New
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      Quote: Tarasios
      What, did Aelitu play?

      By the way, my granddaughter said the same thing!
      1. Undecim 21 February 2020 22: 13 New
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        But here is the first impression - what, did Aelitu play a man?
        Makeup, costume, camera angle, light - all unsuccessfully, hence the effect.

        Julia Solntseva - who played Aelita.
        1. Catfish 21 February 2020 22: 50 New
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          Vic hi , and this is not Zinaida Kiriyenko in "Quiet Don"?
          1. Undecim 21 February 2020 23: 20 New
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            No, this is Julia Solntseva. In which film, I won’t say right away there could be “The Tempest”.
            1. Catfish 21 February 2020 23: 26 New
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              Strange, I deliberately looked at a few selections on The Pacific Don and everywhere this photo.
              1. Undecim 21 February 2020 23: 41 New
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                Now I am inclined to believe that this is Zinaida Kiriyenko. Himself stepped on the rake on which I urge others not to step.
      2. Tarasios 21 February 2020 23: 34 New
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        what an observant granddaughter you have))
    2. Catfish 21 February 2020 22: 10 New
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      This is Julia Solntseva, I suspect that her real name sounds differently. In the fifties, she decided to direct and directed a film called "The Tale of Flaming Years", people from the audience fled in droves. I was still a boy and sat until the end, after all, “cinema and Germans”. request
      1. bnm.99 21 February 2020 22: 42 New
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        Incidentally, the prize for best director of the 1961 Cannes Film Festival wink
      2. Undecim 21 February 2020 22: 53 New
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        Julia Ippolitovna Solntseva. Mother - Valentina Timokhina, father - Ippolit Peresvetov.
        She was directed by the wife of A.P. Dovzhenko, who was both her inspirer, and leader, and critic.
  15. 3x3zsave 21 February 2020 22: 08 New
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    Bravo, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    However, your sarcasm, regarding the advertising methods indicated in the material x / f, is somewhat, mmmmm ..., individual, or what? We write to the professional deformation.
    1. Catfish 21 February 2020 23: 07 New
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      Anton, firing at anything from Mauser and knocking down local “airplanes” with hand grenades, this is a real action movie! Olegitch simply has his own view on the "exploration of Mars." smile
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        After these events, the Martians that were remembered were shot by TWO American expeditions to Mars -
        Ray Bradbury
        Martian Chronicles
        August 1999.
        Illa
        "The clock passed, but Dr. Nlle did not appear. It seemed that Illa's husband was not very surprised by this. Already in the evening, after muttering something, he went to the wall cupboard and took out an ominous weapon - a long yellowish tube with an accordion of furs and a trigger at the end. He turned around - on his face was a mask devoid of any expression, carved from silver metal, a mask that he always wore when he wanted to hide his feelings; a mask, the bulges and hollows of which exactly corresponded to his thin cheeks, chin, forehead. Gleaming with a mask, he held his formidable weapon in his hands and examined it. It was constantly buzzing - a weapon capable of screaming out hordes of golden bees with a screech. The terrible golden bees that sting are killed with their poison and fall dead, like seeds on the sand.
        - Where are you going? she asked.
        - What? - He listened to furs, to an ominous buzz. - Since Dr. Nlle is late, the hell with two I will wait for him. I’m going to hunt. I'll be back soon.
        .
        The shot came from afar. One. The distant buzz of fast bees. One shot. And after him a second, clear, cold, distant.
        .
        He entered and only for a moment kept his eyes on her. With a sharp movement, he opened the bellows of his weapon, shook out two dead bees, heard them plop down on the floor, crushed them with his foot and put the discharged weapon in the corner of the room, and Illa, bending over, unsuccessfully tried to collect the fragments of a broken glass.
        April 2000
        Taxpayer
        They only laughed in response due to the wire fence. And he doesn’t want to go to Mars, they said. Does he not know that the First and Second Expeditions disappeared, sunk into oblivion, that their participants, most likely, died?
        But this still needs to be proved, no one knows for sure, he shouted, clinging to the wire. Or maybe there are milk rivers and jelly banks, maybe Captain York and Captain Williams simply do not want to return. Well, since - they will open the gates to him, put them on the rocket of the Third Expedition, or will he have to break into the force? "
        Only two Russians were caught on Mars in 1922!
        Mstislav Sergeevich Los - Petrograd engineer, creator and captain of an interplanetary aircraft.
        Alexey Ivanovich Gusev - a demobilized soldier, an adventurer. He was a member of the Makhnovist movement. However, according to him, “I didn’t get along with the bandits” and “went into the Red Army”. Well versed in technology. Together with Elk, he goes on an expedition to Mars.
        1. Catfish 22 February 2020 00: 36 New
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          Yes, Alexey, you just noticed that: Russians are to blame for all the troubles of the Americans, well, and the Martians are a little bit.
          But we were not the first to start. drinks

          And yes! Few people know, but the battle for Mars continues to this day!
          1. hohol95 22 February 2020 12: 03 New
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            Shame on my gray head! Forgot about Wells' War of the Worlds! crying
            Goes beyond all “progressive humanity” a counterattack was carried out by two citizens of the RSFSR (the USSR appeared on world maps on December 30, 1922).
            And only two “peaceful green men” for a long time repelled the “red-planet” hunt for sorties against the Earth !!! drinks
        2. kalibr 22 February 2020 12: 52 New
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          Quote: hohol95
          It constantly buzzed - a weapon capable of screaming hordes of golden bees with a squeal.

          Reminds aldochilo - a weapon from some kind of NF-work. He shot deadly ergs, but they were afraid of a man smoking a pipe!
          1. Catfish 22 February 2020 15: 46 New
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            One Tolstoy wrote War and Peace, the second Tolstoy wrote War of the Worlds. It’s funny, don’t you? smile
            1. Avior 23 February 2020 01: 03 New
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              Correct you a little, Tolstoy is a wonderful writer, but the War of the Worlds is Herbert Wells.
              1. Catfish 23 February 2020 16: 26 New
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                Thank you, Sergey! hi Snapped a little. Portuguese port, you know ...
                Happy Holidays to you and my best wishes. drinks
                1. Avior 23 February 2020 17: 08 New
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                  Thank you, and the same to you!
          2. Aviator_ 22 February 2020 17: 09 New
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            “Aldokhilo” is from Stanislav Lem, the work “Invasion from Aldebaran” about how the Aldebarans decided to conquer the Earth, but landed in the Polish outback, where they were gouged by a local drunkard. Poisonous insects released from the aldochilo could not overcome the vapors of ethyl alcohol that surrounded the drunkard (as it turned out, the savior of Mankind) and died.
            1. kalibr 22 February 2020 20: 20 New
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              Thank! Memory began to fail ...
      2. 3x3zsave 22 February 2020 00: 27 New
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        Konstantin! hi
        My comment refers exclusively to the field of "PR" and I am a little versed in it. I apologize for the specific "graters".
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  16. sergo1914 21 February 2020 22: 09 New
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    put on him from the barrel


    The author deigned to bite vodka? Muzzle ??? On IN ??? However...
  17. IL-64 21 February 2020 22: 58 New
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    Honestly, I looked more at Aelita than at pictures of automatic machines))
  18. hohol95 21 February 2020 23: 19 New
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    Vyacheslav Olegovich! hi
    Having disassembled the weapons from Aelita, will you consider the types of weapons described in the novel by Grebnev G. N. Arctania: (Flying Station): Fantast. novel, Detizdat, 1938.
    The Sling of David
    The revolver found by Yura was lying on the desk.
    - What does Comrade Andreichik Stepan Nikitich think of this find? - asked Vetlugin. Grandfather Andreychik raised his eyebrows.
    “Yes, I examined it.” This is an electronic light machine gun. The crosses called him "David's sling." Appeared to them shortly before the defeat of the Northern Armada. They were armed with commanders.

    Soviet fighters
    ... And when, finally, a good two-thirds of the enemy vehicles went into a tailspin, the Soviet mosquito fleet fluttered after the others. Small airborne “sparrows”, armed with a single quick-fire gun and machine gun, literally wound around the clumsy cross-airborne airborne firearms. It was impossible to get from a machine gun or gun into such a “little sparrow” curling over his head, because he didn’t fly in a straight line, but in sudden jumps: up, to the side, down.

    Holy Water Poisonant
    ... Of the special long-range mortar sprayers, these villages were sprinkled with carmonsite, a terrible poisonous dew (the crosses cynically called it “holy water”).

    CHANZIT SLEEP Grenades
    ... Shayno did not reveal the secrets of his steel gateway to the other crosses, grandfather Andreychik decided: after he and Ruma made their way into the secret room of the “apostle”, beat Yura away from the crosses and left the same move, throwing their enemies with grenades with sleeping pills chanzit. This gas has only recently begun to be used in surgical operations, and grandfather Andreichik was sure that there were no gas masks from chanzite at the headquarters of Shayno.
    1. kalibr 22 February 2020 06: 57 New
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      Horror is terrible! Wow what we wrote!
      1. hohol95 22 February 2020 12: 06 New
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        I do not think that science fiction writers possessed a poorer fantasy than Soviet country writers abroad. hi
        Sorry I can not give an example.
  19. Avior 22 February 2020 00: 59 New
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    Weak Martian cartridge, disc in the middle top
    Here it is smile

    Only in time it was copied from Aelita, and not vice versa smile
  20. Nikolaevich I 22 February 2020 03: 13 New
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    How terrible is this Martian horror! Ash has become terribly! belay
    1. Svarog51 22 February 2020 04: 18 New
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      Nikolaevich hi
      How terrible is this Martian horror! Ash has become terribly!

      I looked at her, as my daughter admitted, which drove up to Schwarzenegger in the film "Remember Everything". yes
      1. Nikolaevich I 22 February 2020 05: 16 New
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        I wish you good health, Seryoga! soldier "In the first lines of the letter," I congratulate you on the upcoming Holiday on February 23! drinks And about the "daughter", then this "option" is still "nothing" ... after a couple of bubbles! smile Could be worse!
        1. Svarog51 22 February 2020 05: 22 New
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          And you, Volodya, Happy Holiday! drinks
          Wow! Princess Frog? belay
        2. Svarog51 22 February 2020 05: 29 New
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          "The frog princess waved her right sleeve - a lake appeared,
          waved her left - swans swam across the lake,
          then she waved the glass, and then it started! " lol
          That's interesting, but the magic wand of Vasilisa the Wise - can also be considered a weapon? request
          1. Nikolaevich I 22 February 2020 10: 48 New
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            Quote: Svarog51
            the magic wand of Vasilisa the Wise - can also be considered a weapon?

            But yak! This is a high-precision weapon of the countries of the World of Great Modor! It should be noted that experts in magic weapons distinguish 2 varieties of the "magic wand": 1. "wand"; and 2. "staff" ...!
            1. The "wand" ...
            2. "Staff" ... As you can see, we can conclude that the "magic wand" served as a pistol, known for studying the primitive civilization of the little-known race "homo sapiens" ...! Of great interest is the "magic staff", which occupies an honorable place in the row of high-precision long-range sniper weapons ...! The capabilities of the “staff” can be judged after studying the scheme of this device:
            Judging by Russian folk tales, the old Russian “magic wands and staves” were not inferior in their capabilities to Western models! True, pro-Western historians argue that “magic wands” in Russia were borrowed from Western civilization, like “harazhulyny swords”, “kladnets-swords”, self-propelled guns “fire-extinguishing aspids”, armored cars “Emelyn stove”, front-line “airplane carpets” ", interceptors" Finist-Yasniy Sokol ", strategic" Serpent Gorynych ".... etc. ... I think that such an opinion does not stand up to criticism (!); Because , even in the names you can feel the eastern and Slavic roots!
            1. Svarog51 22 February 2020 12: 26 New
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              Volodya, I’ve remembered another alien here. What can you say about her device?
              1. Nikolaevich I 22 February 2020 14: 39 New
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                Duc, I can oppose a more armed beauty!
                But in general, a “dream-idea” appeared: oh, if it could have been raised from Utesov’s grave ... to show him a couple of current beauties ... it would have been said not by March 8!:
                After that, Utesov could perform the song "How many good girls! How many affectionate names! ..."?
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                  I have strong doubts about the "girls" request There is something indefinite of the middle kind. recourse Utesova is better not to stress.
  21. mr.ZinGer 22 February 2020 11: 21 New
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    I hope for April 1 there are blanks ?!
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      Of course there is, how could it be without it!
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    Found on the network here is such an interesting experimental version of the snail store for PPD-34


    https://warspot.ru/8365-finskiy-urok-ulitka-dlya-ppd
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    Imagine how "simply and quickly" there was a change of such a "disk"))))
    1. The weapon is SHORT. And compared with what? Earthlings could compare this weapon only with earthly
    samples. Rifle for example. But the machines of that period were also not very short. And here the emphasis is SHORT. Something like a Mauser with a butt. Or AKS-U without a butt))) But, since the butt on Earth contributes to accuracy, Martians could also come to such an idea. Low power, ammunition - unknown, firing - single. Like a gun with a butt.
    2. But was it said that the “disk” is a disk with cartridges? A heavy thick disk in the middle of a SHORT weapon is terribly inconvenient for both shooting and at home ...
    It seems to me - the disk was just a disk that protects the shooter's face. Like today the police have a pistol port shield. And a small slot (possibly closed with bulletproof glass) for aiming. Therefore, there is no information about the stores for such weapons - it is not visible because of the shield. And there everything is, in fact, simple.