The upgraded Ka-52M will receive an aircraft cruise missile

The upgraded Ka-52M will receive an aircraft cruise missile

The armament of the Russian attack helicopter Ka-52M will include aviation cruise missile with a range of up to 100 km. This was reported by TASS with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.


The upgraded Ka-52M helicopter will be able to carry the latest aircraft cruise missiles (KR) "Product 305". This helicopter KR can effectively hit any ground targets, including enemy armored vehicles, at ranges of up to 100 km

- leads TASS source words.

The interlocutor also said that the upgraded helicopter received an improved sighting and navigation system and a new avionics of the cockpit. Also revised was a screw group. In addition, the helicopter should receive increased protection, new energy supply systems and target detection (installation of a new radar with AFAR). The new weapons of the helicopter are largely unified with the Mi-28N.

Regarding the “Product 305”, it was previously reported that this guided aircraft missile was tested in Syria as part of the armament of the Mi-28NM helicopter.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense reported that in 2020 it is planned to conclude a contract for the supply of 114 modernized KA-52M helicopters.

The Ka-52 Alligator is a new-generation Russian attack and attack helicopter designed to solve a wide range of tasks. Equipped with modern avionics and powerful weapons. Equipped with electronic protection system and devices to reduce visibility.
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  1. Victor_B 15 February 2020 10: 02 New
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    Ka-52 "Alligator"
    Simple, ordinary handsome!
    1. bessmertniy 15 February 2020 10: 26 New
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      And the more "teeth", the more effective. good
    2. Stalllker 15 February 2020 12: 33 New
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      Shark graceful!
  2. helmi8 15 February 2020 10: 05 New
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    100 km is already serious ...
    1. Sky strike fighter 15 February 2020 10: 11 New
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      100 km range of defeat of the new Hermes modification.
      Product 305 is a Hermes-A promising anti-tank complex missile, the long-awaited novelty of the Russian military-industrial complex. Hermes-A is a new generation anti-tank complex, the capabilities of which are an order of magnitude superior to existing domestic anti-tank systems.


      As it became known, a promising Russian aircraft anti-tank missile Product 305 is being tested in Syria in combat conditions. Tests are carried out on board the latest Russian Mi-28NM helicopter, recently flown to Syria.


      https://dfnc.ru/bez-rubriki/rossijskie-vertolyoty-poluchat-novye-upravlyaemye-rakety/
      1. Grigory_45 15 February 2020 11: 01 New
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        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        100 km range of defeat of the new Hermes modification.
        Product 305 is a Hermes-A promising anti-tank complex missile

        and now explain how to detect a target like "tank" and direct a missile at it at a distance of 100 km ???. I am already silent that if the tank will move.
        1. krot 15 February 2020 11: 15 New
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          and now explain how to detect a target like "tank" and direct a missile at it at a distance of 100 km ???

          Theoretically it is possible, but it will be practically too difficult a product. Why destroy the only tank and how is it known that it is over 100 km ?? If the drone was spotted, then from the drone and destroy.
          PS Gregory, where is my crown? laughing
          1. Grigory_45 15 February 2020 11: 25 New
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            Quote: krot
            In theory

            everything is theoretically possible)
            Firstly, at what height should the helicopter go so that the target is not hidden behind the radio horizon? At least at an altitude of 700-800 meters, which contradicts the canons of combat helicopters
            Secondly, at least an airplane radar should be installed on the turntable.
            Etc.
            Expensive pleasure for a very dubious benefit
            1. krot 15 February 2020 11: 30 New
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              Secondly, at least an airplane radar should be installed on the turntable

              Perhaps I am mistaken, but they were going to put AFARs on helicopters. The product is either "Bumblebee", or something similar and small in size ...
              1. Grigory_45 15 February 2020 16: 21 New
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                Quote: krot
                were going to put AFARs on helicopters

                were going. Radar with AFAR "Rezets", the detection range of a tank type target is up to 40 km, a helicopter type target is up to 20 km.
            2. helmi8 15 February 2020 12: 16 New
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              Quote: Gregory_45
              At least at an altitude of 700-800 meters, which contradicts the canons of combat helicopters
              Secondly, at least an airplane radar should be installed on the turntable.

              Two questions for you too ...
              1. And what canons for the use of helicopters in height exist?
              2. And how is a helicopter radar different from a plane? In terms of installation, not in terms of design. Radar is a radar, and you can install it at least on the broom of Baba Yaga.
              1. Grigory_45 15 February 2020 12: 38 New
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                Quote: helmi8
                What canons for the use of helicopters in height exist?

                combat helicopters operate at low and extremely low altitudes (to reduce combat losses). Accordingly, the radio horizon is far (much less) from the declared 100 km

                Quote: helmi8
                And how is a helicopter radar different from a plane?

                speaking for aircraft radar, he meant the power of the station. Aircraft radars are more powerful, such a helicopter unnecessarily.
                1. krot 15 February 2020 13: 03 New
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                  combat helicopters operate at low and extremely low altitudes (to reduce combat losses). Accordingly, the radio horizon is far (much less) from the declared 100 km

                  Again, if a range of 100 km can be assumed that the enemy tank is on the front line. Accordingly, in its own rear (100 km from the front line), the helicopter can climb to any height without any fear. Accordingly, the tank can theoretically be detected. wink
          2. Sailor 15 February 2020 12: 09 New
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            Why destroy the only tank and how is it known that it is over 100 km ??
            The resonance tank will turn out to be “golden.” Therefore, in my opinion, the target for such a missile will be a CP, a convoy on the march, BP, air defense warehouses ...
            If a drone is detected, then a drone and destroy
            And why are you sure that the rocket will not be universal, as we usually do ??? Those. usable also with UAVs, rooks and ducklings.
            Yes, there are other means of destruction: MLRS, artillery, but is it really bad to have such a weapon that significantly enhances helicopters, including? hi
            1. Grigory_45 15 February 2020 12: 40 New
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              Quote: Seaman
              why are you sure that the rocket will not be universal, as we usually do ??? Those. usable also with UAV

              But how much does such a rocket weigh? Do we have tactical UAVs capable of raising at least a couple of such missiles?
              1. Sailor 15 February 2020 23: 15 New
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                Do we have tactical UAVs capable of raising at least a couple of such missiles?
                Who knows? There is no TTX missile, but, I think, Hunter and Orion will be pulled - range of 100 km, warhead probably 30 kilograms, not a dagger laughing drinks
                1. Grigory_45 15 February 2020 23: 31 New
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                  Quote: Seaman
                  There is no TTX missile, but, I think, Hunter and Orion are pulled

                  The hunter will drag it away, there is no doubt, but this is not a completely tactical UAV ... But Orion can only raise 200 kilos - and, in addition to armament, they also include sighting and reconnaissance equipment. So consider it. A pair of UAB weighing more than 50 kg can not be dragged away. And we simply do not have such ones ... And I strongly doubt that Hermes will weigh less than 50 kg. If the UR explosive of the R-73 type (range 40 km) weighs 110 kg, the R-60M (range 10 km) - 44 kg. Plus pylons for them ... In general, it does not grow together.
                  1. Sailor 15 February 2020 23: 42 New
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                    So, this missile is not for tactical UAVs - anyway, it will not be superfluous drinks Application, media and goals will be found
          3. Ros 56 15 February 2020 13: 29 New
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            And besides tanks and goals worthy no longer? I'm surprised with you. request laughing
        2. Lopatov 15 February 2020 11: 30 New
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          Quote: Gregory_45
          Now explain how to detect a tank type target.

          Why discover yourself?
        3. Nikolaevich I 15 February 2020 11: 47 New
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          Quote: Gregory_45
          how to detect a target like “tank” and direct a missile at it at a distance of 100 km ???.

          Yes easily! fellow We won’t talk about AWACS ... "yesterday"! yes The "network" of drones of long barrage is our "today" (!) ... well, if not now, then by "evening" ... winked The network centric is our helmsman, a symbol of worship! We discover, bring and knock down! angry
          1. Stalllker 15 February 2020 12: 37 New
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            Then she's kind of a useless rocket
            1. Nikolaevich I 15 February 2020 13: 06 New
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              Quote: Stalllker
              Then she's kind of a useless rocket

              And why such conclusions? The UAV is "imprisoned" for reconnaissance functions, target designation ... For a long barrage, it is more important to take more fuel, rather than weapons ... That's where the "external" missiles ... "from the side" and !
              1. Stalllker 16 February 2020 04: 28 New
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                Personally, I believe that the Ka-5 * turntables are a series of a kind of Assosins. And use a reconnaissance-attack helicopter as a carrier, well, it's kind of "stupid." For this, you can also use drones. Or turntables for easier.
                1. Nikolaevich I 16 February 2020 05: 52 New
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                  Quote: Stalllker
                  use a reconnaissance-attack helicopter as a carrier, well, it's kind of "stupid." For this, you can also use drones. Or turntables for easier.

                  Alas! I can’t agree with you ... and that's why! The main idea is a “combat platform” with weapons ... Not only the Ka-52, but also another suitable helicopter can be used as a platform ... and not only ... up to airplanes, for example, light transporters (even An- 2 ...). With the advent of "heavy" multicopter UAVs, you can use them. If we keep in mind armaments, as the development of the Hermes project, then we do not forget the ground version ... But "long-range" weapons need "eyes" ... and this is where light reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles are needed. In this case, UAVs will be cheaper, small in size ... (which means less noticeable ...). In the regime of prolonged barrage (which is more convenient to do without armament ...) the enemy will always be “in sight” ... The possibility of “round-the-clock” operational striking, without regard to the presence of ammunition on the UAV ... And again, on the one hand - ,, expensive ,, combat platform with weapons and, possibly, with a crew (the same, Ka-52 ...) at a "safe" distance from the enemy (up to 100 km) ... and a cheaper "specialized reconnaissance" unmanned system on the other! Moreover, the reconnaissance unmanned complex (may consist of several UAVs ...) may well function simultaneously in the interests of different units ... for example, helicopter and ground, combined into a "network-centric" system ... "serve" several helicopters in this "combat area."
                  1. Stalllker 16 February 2020 06: 37 New
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                    He took the same thing, wrote it, just chewed it, so what exactly do you disagree with?
                  2. Stalllker 16 February 2020 06: 49 New
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                    And now I do not agree with you! This missile can be fired without entering the air defense zone? Not! So the planes are falling away! They will be brought down before approaching the launch zone. Turntables and blas remain, it’s not worth explaining about the former, but with the latter, based on the cost, blah will be cheaper than an airplane and a tank. And based on financial costs and loss of personnel, even if blah knock down after firing all missiles, then there are NO casualties among the personnel, the enemy has more financial losses, well, numerical and human.
        4. NEXUS 15 February 2020 12: 52 New
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          Quote: Gregory_45
          and now explain how to detect a target like "tank" and direct a missile at it at a distance of 100 km ???

          What about drones?
        5. Sky strike fighter 15 February 2020 13: 53 New
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          Quote: Gregory_45
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          100 km range of defeat of the new Hermes modification.
          Product 305 is a Hermes-A promising anti-tank complex missile

          and now explain how to detect a target like "tank" and direct a missile at it at a distance of 100 km ???. I am already silent that if the tank will move.

          The tank will detect any element of the network-centric system, whether it is a drone, a helicopter, an airplane, reconnaissance, including satellite. A helicopter that received
          The coordinates and target data are entered into the rocket before launch, the “product 305” overcomes most of the way under the control of an inertial navigation system, and when approaching the target, the homing head is turned on.
          It is equipped with highly sensitive sensors operating in different ranges of the spectrum. The missile can be guided by the mark of the laser rangefinder-target designator, the heat radiated by the target, and also broadcast the picture from the camera to the helicopter cockpit. The weapon is protected from interference, is able to distinguish the target among infrared traps and operate in the "shot-forgot" mode.

          https://rg.ru/2020/02/15/ka-52m-vooruzhat-raketoj-s-dalnostiu-100-kilometrov.html
        6. Ratmir_Ryazan 15 February 2020 16: 03 New
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          and now explain how to detect a target like "tank" and direct a missile at it at a distance of 100 km ???. I am already silent that if the tank will move.


          Discover like this -

          In addition, the helicopter should receive increased protection, new energy supply systems and target detection (installation of a new radar with AFAR)


          And hit using a television or radar seeker.
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      3. alexmach 17 February 2020 14: 11 New
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        Product 305 is a Hermes-A promising anti-tank complex missile

        even from afar is not like.
  3. Mountain shooter 15 February 2020 10: 08 New
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    A serious rocket ... "Alligator" is getting "fitter"!
  4. Fedorov 15 February 2020 10: 11 New
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    As I understand it, GLONASS guidance? Well, or other means of target designation. The helicopter itself will not pull. Unless against a tank company.
    1. Eugene-Eugene 15 February 2020 10: 58 New
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      It is conducted by the on-board system, on the final part of the trajectory the GOS starts to work. This is LMUR, an analogue of the American JAGM.
    2. Grigory_45 15 February 2020 11: 03 New
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      Quote: Fedorov
      As I understand it, GLONASS guidance?

      guidance on GPS / GLONASS signals - only on a stationary (motionless) target with previously known coordinates. The missile is positioned as anti-tank (if it is really Hermes) - then it should work on moving targets
      1. Lopatov 15 February 2020 11: 34 New
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        Quote: Gregory_45
        guidance on GPS / GLONASS signals - only on a stationary (motionless) target with previously known coordinates.

        If the GOS is not available to aim directly at the target.

        According to ANN +, correction according to global positioning data brings the rocket to the target area, after which the GOS starts to work.
        1. Grigory_45 15 February 2020 11: 44 New
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          there is ANN + correction according to global positioning data brings the rocket to the target area, after which the GOS starts to work

          in this case, there is a huge problem of target selection

          Quote: Spade
          GOS for aiming directly at the target.

          in the target area either the spotter should be located, or the UAV should hang. Also not an option.

          The range of 100 km for the helicopter SD is redundant. This will affect the dimensions and mass of the rocket (how many of them will the turntable take? Two? It’s worthless from them, say, to eliminate the enemy’s breakthrough) A range of 20-25 km is optimal. And the air defense zone will not enter, and the mass of the rocket, and its cost is still within reasonable limits, and the turntable can work itself, without external target designation.
          1. Lopatov 15 February 2020 12: 03 New
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            Quote: Gregory_45
            in this case, there is a huge problem of target selection

            ?
            This problem has long been resolved.
            Starting with the British “Brimstone”, which dropped the fairing from the seeker at the exit to the target area. laughing
            Quote: Gregory_45
            in the target area either the spotter should be located, or the UAV should hang.

            Or it could be ground units. For example, an ATGM battery

            Quote: Gregory_45
            Olku then from them, say, during the elimination of an enemy breakthrough)

            It is not necessary to consider such systems as a spherical horse.
            There is, for example, a motorized rifle unit with its own anti-tank equipment, reflecting the attack of tanks
            There is artillery that works in the interests of this UAS unit, there is a senior reserve of the senior commander, there is the nearest army aviation unit operating conventional ATGMs.
            There is a far AA unit, which will not have time to fly, but it may very well increase the impact using long-range means
            1. Grigory_45 15 February 2020 12: 12 New
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              Quote: Spade
              Quote: Gregory_45
              in this case, there is a huge problem of target selection

              ?
              This problem has long been resolved.

              how? A missile, let’s say, with a TGSN, has launched an ANN in the target area. How will the GOS determine which one to hit? She is hooked on the first one, and not the fact that this will be the right goal. As an example - a mechanized column of the enemy. GOS missiles instead of a tank caught on a truck. Anyone needs backlighting "in place". Second - is there really no artillery? According to the external control system, it is possible to cover both UAS and MLRS shells. Faster and cheaper.
              1. Lopatov 15 February 2020 12: 19 New
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                Quote: Gregory_45
                How will the GOS determine which one to hit?

                8)))
                And how does the face recognition system work? Text recognition system?

                In more complex cases, for example, working against Toyota tanks, you can compare the image obtained by the GOS with the previously received from the UAV and entered before launch (such systems already exist, for example, among the Israelis)

                Quote: Gregory_45
                Anyone needs a spotlight

                Can also be used.


                Quote: Gregory_45
                Second - is there really no artillery? According to the external control system, it is possible to cover both UAS and MLRS shells. Faster and cheaper.

                Not "instead of" but "together"
                Efficiency is much higher.
                1. Grigory_45 15 February 2020 12: 30 New
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                  And how does the face recognition system work? Text recognition system?

                  yeah, this rocket should then have a highly sophisticated guidance system and TV-GOS. The rocket processor must be able to recognize either thermal signatures or visual images and compare it with the database. Such systems are very expensive and put them on serious missiles, such as RCC or OTRK at least - when the end justifies the means
                  In my opinion, you have already hit science fiction in relation to the helicopter UR
                  1. Lopatov 15 February 2020 13: 13 New
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                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    yeah, this rocket should then have a highly sophisticated guidance system and TV-GOS.

                    Yes
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    Such systems are very expensive and put them on serious missiles.

                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    In my opinion, you have already hit science fiction in relation to the helicopter UR


                    https://www.vesty.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5277787,00.html
                    https://www.rafael.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/EPIK.pdf
                    1. Grigory_45 15 February 2020 13: 23 New
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                      Quote: Spade
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      yeah, this rocket should then have a highly sophisticated guidance system and TV-GOS.

                      Yes

                      complicated, and therefore expensive. And why is it needed?

                      Moreover, if instead of a Crossbow they will put radars with AFAR. As reported at the same VO, its characteristics are as follows:
                      Ka-52 serial helicopters, currently supplied to the armed forces, are armed with a dual-band coherent-pulse radar station "Arbalet", which provides reliable detection of ground objects such as "bridge" at a distance of up to 32 kilometers, and air targets - at ranges up to 15 kilometers. The new Rezets radar with a stationary AFAR for 640 transceiver modules provides target detection of a bridge type at a range of up to 100 kilometers, a destroyer ship of 150 kilometers, and the new radar has the ability to detect helicopters at ranges of up to 20 kilometers.
                      1. Lopatov 15 February 2020 14: 05 New
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                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        complicated, and therefore expensive. And why is it needed?

                        It is cheaper than a tank. It is much cheaper than those troops who this tank can kill.

                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        more, if instead of the Crossbow they will put radars with AFAR. As reported at the same VO, its characteristics are as follows:

                        But one does not interfere with the other. I repeat, we have few helicopters. And we will not succeed in creating a density of army aviation units sufficient for a quick response to target designation.
                        Well, long-range SDs are quite an adequate solution to this complex issue.

                        ===
                        Cool ... Who does it "love" you so much? laughing
                        Slightly fixed it.
                      2. Grigory_45 15 February 2020 14: 47 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        Who is it that loves you so much

                        enough of those who lost in the dispute and whose pride could not bear it. It doesn’t matter what is written in the commentary, it’s just a minuscule that’s all. Adequate people, even a moderator among them are.
              2. svp67 15 February 2020 14: 37 New
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                Quote: Spade
                In more complex cases, for example, working against Toyota tanks, you can compare the image obtained by the GOS with the previously received from the UAV and entered before launch (such systems already exist, for example, among the Israelis)

                Thousands of "portraits" of various weapons and military equipment are recorded in memory, and this is not only the appearance, it is more the data of the thermal, electromagnetic and radar appearance of weapons and military equipment
            2. svp67 15 February 2020 14: 33 New
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              Quote: Gregory_45
              GOS missiles instead of a tank caught on a truck.

              Only if his "portrait" coincides with what is recorded in the memory of this GOS, and there are many parameters ...
    3. Piramidon 15 February 2020 11: 46 New
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      Quote: Gregory_45
      if it really is hermes

      The article is about a cruise missile. As far as I know, Hermes is not one of those.
      1. Grigory_45 15 February 2020 11: 53 New
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        Quote: Piramidon
        The article is about a cruise missile. As far as I know, Hermes is not one of them.

        you are not accustomed to the mistakes of the authors that write articles on VO? They like two fingers to call ATGM cruise missile and OTRK - ICBM.

        I do not recall a single OCD on a long-range aviation missile, except for the OCD Hermes

        For a long time on the Internet, the topic of developing the Hermes ATGM was discussed on the Tula Instrument Design Bureau (KBP JSC). Such a complex has really been developed for a long time, initially under the name "Peck", then, after being renamed to "Hermes". The Hermes complex is supposed to be placed on land, surface and air carriers. According to various sources, the range of the aircraft version of the Hermes complex rocket should be about 25 km, the range of the ground version of the complex can be up to 100 km.

        There is an opinion that a firing range of 100 km can be achieved at launch from any type of carrier and is more dependent on the ability of the carrier to provide target designation at maximum range. The rocket speed is supersonic, the maximum is about 1000 m / s, the average is 500 m / s. The Hermes-A complex (aircraft version) was primarily intended for equipping Ka-52 helicopters.

        Missiles of the Hermes complex cannot be classified as ATGMs; rather, it is a multifunctional air-to-ground (w-h) or earth-to-ground (w-w) missile. The Hermes missiles provide for the use of several guidance systems, in particular, with a high probability we can talk about the presence of an inertial guidance system, a radio command guidance system and a laser homing head (GOS), similar to those used in guided artillery shells (UAS) of the Krasnopol type .

        Other suggested GOS options include a passive thermal imaging homing head, an active radar homing head, or a combined thermal imaging + laser homing. Presumably, the inertial guidance system can be supplemented by correction according to the data of the Glonass satellite navigation system, which would be reasonable for hitting stationary remote targets.
  • Alexga 15 February 2020 10: 21 New
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    But is it necessary to equip a reconnaissance-attack helicopter with a missile with a range of 100 km. Are there more convenient ways to launch cruise missiles. This is the question of tactics of application.
    1. Fedorov 15 February 2020 10: 34 New
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      She is not winged. As I understand it, it flies to a given area, and then either target designation or a homing head for armored vehicles.
      1. Alexga 15 February 2020 11: 03 New
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        The upgraded Ka-52M helicopter will be able to carry the latest aircraft cruise missiles (KR) "Product 305". This helicopter KR can effectively hit any ground targets, including enemy armored vehicles, at ranges of up to 100 km
      2. Piramidon 15 February 2020 11: 49 New
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        Quote: Fedorov
        She is not winged.

        Judging by the article, just winged.
        The armament of the Russian attack helicopter Ka-52M will include aviation winged missile with a range of up to 100 km

        Even in the title it is written in large bold.
    2. SHURUM -BURUM 15 February 2020 10: 37 New
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      Alexander.
      I don’t understand why either?
    3. jonht 15 February 2020 10: 49 New
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      As an example of application tactics.
      A jump airfield at the front zone, at the leading edge, an attempt to break through, it will take 2 or more hours to carry out an air strike, and a helicopter with product 305 will be shot at for external target designation, it can be right above the jump airfield after about 30 minutes.
      A conditional example, do not look for flaws in it. tongue
      1. abc_alex 15 February 2020 10: 59 New
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        Quote: jonht
        at the leading edge, a breakthrough attempt, it will take 2 or more hours to carry out an air strike, and a helicopter with a 305 product will be shot at an external target designation, it can be right above the airfield after about 30 minutes.

        And how many missiles will he bring? One? Two? Not enough to eliminate a breakthrough? The army has normal ground systems for this case. The same "Tornado." If it’s a front, then there’s probably artillery in the rear, right?
    4. abc_alex 15 February 2020 10: 52 New
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      Of course not. 100 km is a deep rear. But helicopters are still battlefield technology. 100 km from the front, any ground platform, even wheeled, even tracked, will feel great.
      1. Fedorov 15 February 2020 11: 05 New
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        100 km is a deep rear
        If the "Tornado is guaranteed to shoot for 60 km and immediately changes its location. Then what is the rear?
      2. Lopatov 15 February 2020 11: 51 New
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        Quote: abc_alex
        Of course not. 100 km is a deep rear.

        Or the flank.
        And as practice shows, a rocket flies faster than a helicopter. At least for now.
        And the complex helicopter + long-range missile will be able to provide operational support for ground units in a much larger band. Which in the conditions of a rather small number of our army aviation is very important.

        Now, if you simplify it to the extreme, one helicopter can hit the target 10 minutes after target designation at the front 45 + 45 = 90 km. And with the new ammunition, the 100 + 100 km band can be covered with a reaction time of 3-4 minutes (at the stated average speed of 500 m / s)
        1. abc_alex 20 February 2020 22: 59 New
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          Quote: Spade
          Now, if you simplify it to the extreme, one helicopter can hit the target 10 minutes after target designation at the front 45 + 45 = 90 km. And with the new ammunition, the 100 + 100 km band can be covered with a reaction time of 3-4 minutes (at the stated average speed of 500 m / s)


          A helicopter does not need to fly from the airport? This tractor can stand at least a day in the deployment area in anticipation of target designation. A helicopter is located at the airport. So he first needs to receive an order for departure and primary target designation, fly to the launch zone, and only then shoot. 10 minutes does not get off. Again, ground equipment is already capable of carrying much more long-range missiles than a helicopter. One MLRS Smerch machine carries 12 missiles with a launch range of up to 120 km. This is an analogue of 6 helicopters, even if you forget that the Smerch rocket is much more powerful. Extremely simplified: place one Tornado BM with modified missiles after 50 km at a distance of 20 km from the front line and at any time without delay you will receive at least one missile according to your target designation. Why do you need a helicopter?
    5. Lopatov 15 February 2020 11: 37 New
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      Is it necessary to equip a reconnaissance-attack helicopter with a missile with a range of 100 km?

      Of course. That's when we will have as many helicopters as the Americans (the army aviation brigade as part of the combined arms division), then it will be possible to abandon such weapons.
  • abc_alex 15 February 2020 10: 50 New
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    "product 305". This helicopter KR can effectively hit any ground targets, including enemy armored vehicles, at ranges of up to 100 km



    Some nonsense. Product 305, in any case what was tested in the summer, is a fancy missile with a range of 20-40 km. How does the sensational author suggest aiming with such a missile? If the helicopter farther than 20 km (according to open sources) doesn’t even see from the radar? What is 100 km? What for?
    The new rocket (according to rumors and voices) is a product where everything based on an airplane rocket is realized that did not allow the implementation of the hunch building and the 90s. These are multispectral infrared homing and laser illumination and (hello to Israeli "original" developments) television guidance over the air.
    But definitely not 100 km.
    1. Sky strike fighter 15 February 2020 10: 52 New
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      What is the weight of this rocket?
      1. abc_alex 15 February 2020 10: 53 New
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        I do not know. Short text ... :)
    2. Eugene-Eugene 15 February 2020 11: 01 New
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      Weaving is a bike. At the end of the year, Shoigu announced that he would soon reach the milestone of 25 km
      1. abc_alex 15 February 2020 11: 03 New
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        Quote: Eugene-Eugene
        Weaving is a bike. At the end of the year, Shoigu announced that he would soon reach the milestone of 25 km

        Which is logical. Further, the Mi-28NM radar does not yet see. And for the Ka-52, no one will make their own rocket, even if he sees further.
      2. Grigory_45 15 February 2020 11: 31 New
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        Quote: Eugene-Eugene
        Weaving is a bike

        but urry-patriots pleased) Schass with foam at the city hall will prove that it is 100 km - this is a minimum, but in fact 500+

        Quote: Eugene-Eugene
        At the end of the year, Shoigu announced that he would soon reach the milestone of 25 km

        In the SAR with Mi-28, they also tested a missile with a range of about 20 km. What is logical - Hunter’s radar does not see further, and it’s not necessary. Combat helicopters operate at low altitudes, hiding under the folds of terrain
    3. Nikolaevich I 15 February 2020 12: 34 New
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      Nadot. to separate the grains from the chaff ... the specifics, of course, are not enough ... about the "product 305" ... But it becomes "easier" if we assume that this is, after all, a derivative of Hermes! Recall that the Hermes is a bicaliber 2-stage rocket of the type of the Shell, Tunguska, Pine missiles ... The 2nd (marching) step is the same, with the exception of the GOS ... caliber 130 mm. And here is the 1st "overclocking" step - "diverse"! The most "large-caliber" launch stages are 170 mm and 210 mm ... This is where the "various" ranges of missile action come from. From 15-18 km to 100 km Guidance system: Radio command, radio command + ANN ... GOS: 1. semi-active laser + IR; 2. active "radar" (AR.GSN.MM) ... "Initially" more GOS were planned, but they changed their minds! Of course, this information is not less than 20 years ago. Over the past years, it was possible to add GPS correction ... it is advisable to create an optoelectronic seeker (TV + IR) ... in the future, active laser ("lidar") seekers will be "relevant". In principle, 100 km is not the limit! Such a range is provided by the “booster block” with a “caliber” of 210 mm ... And if you add the 1st step to 220, 240, 300 mm? Yes, not solid fuel, but with ramjet? And if you give the marching stage the properties of a barrage of ammunition? Increase the march gauge caliber to 140, 152, 160 mm? Give anti-helicopter functions ... We should not forget the fact that the “Hermes” was conceived as “interspecific”; and aviation, land, ship ...
      That is, the "HERMES project" is multifunctional and therefore very promising!
    4. NEXUS 15 February 2020 12: 54 New
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      Quote: abc_alex
      If the helicopter farther than 20 km (according to open sources) doesn’t even see from the radar? What is 100 km? What for?

      And you do not consider at all TsU with the help of a drone? Why are all these drones reconnaissance created? Schaub was Oh?
  • Observer2014 15 February 2020 11: 07 New
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    It would be interesting to learn more about this “305 product.” And the most interesting thing is how to get it out of a helicopter. 100 km is none of this for you. Especially considering that, judging by the article, they’ll hit her with armored vehicles. CCO? on earth highlight? Or other types of intelligence? About six years ago they talked about the creation of Hermes. Maybe this product is this Hermes? recourse So it was positioned as an ATGM and not a cruise missile
    I will give an excerpt from one article:
    If you have not read about this complex, then it deserves attention: 8 missiles in the ammunition for each attack helicopter Ka-52 or a modernized "flying tank" Su-25 allow you to "please" the enemy with an accurate strike at a great distance for this type of weapon. The speed of the rocket exceeds 3500 km / h, and its high-explosive fragmentation warhead produces a devastating effect at the level of a 250-kg bomb, hitting the target from above. Actually, this is already a universal complex, and not a “classic” ATGM - Hermes destroys not only tanks, but also fortifications, helicopters, ships ... A land version of the complex (24 missiles on a launcher) has been created, which works in conjunction with an unmanned aerial vehicle , ship and coastal.
    1. Eugene-Eugene 15 February 2020 12: 04 New
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      Yes, it’s not Hermes, it’s LMUR - “a light multifunctional guided missile”, but not a cruise one at all, reminds American JAGM. Moreover, TASS itself, which now speaks of the Kyrgyz Republic per 100 km, wrote that about 305 about 25 km in that year: https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6619661; https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6236432.
      There is really nothing in the video, but the description for the video reveals the name, at least the abbreviation:
      1. jonht 15 February 2020 12: 23 New
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        It is quite possible to make it two-step and bicaliber, and this will give us an increase in range.
        1. Eugene-Eugene 15 February 2020 12: 26 New
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          Light rocket - two steps?
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            So I did not say that it is light, rather average. And the article does not indicate light ...
  • Warrior MorePhoto 15 February 2020 12: 49 New
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    Quote: Eugene-Eugene
    Yes, it’s not Hermes, it’s LMUR - “a light multifunctional guided missile”, but not a cruise one at all, reminds American JAGM. Moreover, TASS itself, which now speaks of the Kyrgyz Republic per 100 km, wrote that about 305 about 25 km in that year: https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6619661; https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6236432.
    There is really nothing in the video, but the description for the video reveals the name, at least the abbreviation:


    I agree! Hermes is different.

    About 100 km there are a lot of doubts, but if it is really similar to JAGM, then it is very pleasing! Indeed, a range of 25 km will be quite, especially if it will hit moving targets.
    It was tested in Syria, which means that tasks were set for the situation in real combat conditions, and I think the tasks were completed with 100% desired result.
    The long-awaited and even more so in terms of characteristics surpasses Helfires.
    1. Eugene-Eugene 15 February 2020 13: 00 New
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      Yes, with this thing we will already have an advantage, JAGM are seriously inferior.
    2. Maxwrx 18 February 2020 15: 49 New
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      The video says about 10 minutes ago. Those. as I understand it, the helicopter launched rockets, and after 10 minutes the helicopter flew. Moreover, I think the author’s mistake is that 10 minutes after launch, and not an explosion. The shadow is not clear, or mi-8, or 24. What is the speed on the video? Who has a diamond eye ?? I guess 200 km. 10 minutes of summer will be just about 25 km.
  • Amateur 15 February 2020 13: 28 New
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    RBK-500 SPBE-D bomb cartridge with self-aiming warhead - a bomb cluster with self-aiming anti-tank warheads equipped with a dual-spectrum infrared target coordinator. Designed to destroy all modern tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other armored vehicles with positive thermal contrast relative to the underlying surface under the influence of natural and artificial interference. Can hit up to six tanks. It provides combat use at altitudes from 600 to 5000 m at aircraft speeds of 500-1900 km / h both in horizontal flight, and when diving and cabriding to angles of 20-30 °. The striking element SPBE-D is a further development of the SPBE ammunition, also used in the cluster warhead reactive MLRS system "Smerch"

    And if in the alleged area where their tank is located, they fire with one Smerch MLRS missile (up to 120 km) with a cluster warhead for 6 homing anti-tank elements, then maybe this will be even cooler than the "305"?
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      then maybe it will be even cooler than "305"

      Not a fact.
      The dispersion, although less due to correction in the active part of the trajectory, but not zero.
      Therefore, only for a group purpose such as a column or equipment in the area of ​​concentration and not one missile, but a battery or divisional salvo.
      1. Amateur 15 February 2020 14: 29 New
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        and not just one missile, but a battery or divisional salvo.

        Divisional volley "Tornado" x0 Lithuania to her, along with the Amerov armored division. am
        1. Lopatov 15 February 2020 15: 09 New
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          Quote: Amateur
          Divisional volley "Tornado" x0 Lithuania to her, along with the Amerov armored division.

          I'm afraid Lithuania is not so small
          1. Amateur 15 February 2020 15: 31 New
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            Smerch brigade 48 launchers x12 guides x 5 anti-tank homing ammunition = 2880 pcs. Enough for the Amer’s division. (I didn’t find the squad. Sorry)
            1. Lopatov 15 February 2020 16: 30 New
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              Tornado Brigade

              Consists of several divisions

              Quote: Amateur
              48 PU

              If we are talking about the brigade, then rather 12 than 48. Two cars in the battery, 4 cars in the division, 12 cars in the re-assembly
      2. Demon_is_ada 15 February 2020 15: 38 New
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        There most likely tanks are not going to extinguish, just the MLRS at the time of taking up a position for shooting, then the sheepskin is worth the candle. And a tank even 10 km from the front line is not such an urgent target. I think for stopping the MLRS threat, well, for operational purposes such as headquarters, radar, etc.