The upgraded Ka-52M will receive an aircraft cruise missile

The armament of the Russian attack helicopter Ka-52M will include aviation cruise missile with a range of up to 100 km. This was reported by TASS with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.

The upgraded Ka-52M helicopter will be able to carry the latest aircraft cruise missiles (KR) "Product 305". This helicopter KR can effectively hit any ground targets, including enemy armored vehicles, at ranges of up to 100 km

- leads TASS source words.

The interlocutor also said that the upgraded helicopter received an improved sighting and navigation system and a new avionics of the cockpit. Also revised was a screw group. In addition, the helicopter should receive increased protection, new energy supply systems and target detection (installation of a new radar with AFAR). The new weapons of the helicopter are largely unified with the Mi-28N.

Regarding the “Product 305”, it was previously reported that this guided aircraft missile was tested in Syria as part of the armament of the Mi-28NM helicopter.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense reported that in 2020 it is planned to conclude a contract for the supply of 114 modernized KA-52M helicopters.

The Ka-52 Alligator is a new-generation Russian attack and attack helicopter designed to solve a wide range of tasks. Equipped with modern avionics and powerful weapons. Equipped with electronic protection system and devices to reduce visibility.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Ka-52 "Alligator"

Simple, ordinary handsome!

[bessmertniy]

And the more "teeth", the more effective.

[Stalllker]

Shark graceful!

[helmi8]

100 km is already serious ...

[Sky strike fighter]

100 km range of defeat of the new Hermes modification.

"Product 305" is a missile of the promising Hermes-A anti-tank complex, a long-awaited novelty of the domestic military-industrial complex. "Hermes-A" is a new generation anti-tank complex, the capabilities of which are an order of magnitude superior to existing domestic anti-tank systems.

As it became known, in Syria, the promising Russian aircraft anti-tank missile "Product 305" is being tested in combat conditions. The tests are being carried out from the board of the newest Russian Mi-28NM helicopter, recently airlifted to Syria.

https://dfnc.ru/bez-rubriki/rossijskie-vertolyoty-poluchat-novye-upravlyaemye-rakety/

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

100 km range of defeat of the new Hermes modification.
"Product 305" is a missile of the promising aircraft anti-tank complex "Hermes-A"

Now explain how to detect a target of the "tank" type and aim a missile at it at a distance of 100 km ???. I’m already silent, what if the tank moves.

[krot]

Now explain how to detect a target of the "tank" type and aim a missile at it at a distance of 100 km ???

Theoretically it is possible, but it will be practically too difficult a product. Why destroy the only tank and how is it known that it is over 100 km ?? If the drone was spotted, then from the drone and destroy.
PS Gregory, where is my crown?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: krot

In theory

everything is theoretically possible)
Firstly, at what height should the helicopter go so that the target is not hidden behind the radio horizon? At least at an altitude of 700-800 meters, which contradicts the canons of combat helicopters
Secondly, at least an airplane radar should be installed on the turntable.
Etc.
Expensive pleasure for a very dubious benefit

[krot]

Secondly, at least an airplane radar should be installed on the turntable

Perhaps I am mistaken, but they were going to put AFARs on the helicopters. The product is either "Bumblebee", or something similar and small ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: krot

were going to put AFARs on helicopters

were going. Radar with AFAR "Rezets", target detection range of tank type up to 40 km, helicopter type targets - up to 20 km.

[helmi8]

Quote: Gregory_45

At least at an altitude of 700-800 meters, which contradicts the canons of combat helicopters
Secondly, at least an airplane radar should be installed on the turntable.

Two questions for you too ...
1. And what canons for the use of helicopters in height exist?
2. And how is a helicopter radar different from a plane? In terms of installation, not in terms of design. Radar is a radar, and you can install it at least on the broom of Baba Yaga.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: helmi8

What canons for the use of helicopters in height exist?

combat helicopters operate at low and extremely low altitudes (to reduce combat losses). Accordingly, the radio horizon is far (much less) from the declared 100 km

Quote: helmi8

And how is a helicopter radar different from a plane?

speaking for aircraft radar, he meant the power of the station. Aircraft radars are more powerful, such a helicopter unnecessarily.

[krot]

combat helicopters operate at low and extremely low altitudes (to reduce combat losses). Accordingly, the radio horizon is far (much less) from the declared 100 km

Again, if a range of 100 km can be assumed that the enemy tank is on the front line. Accordingly, in its own rear (100 km from the front line), the helicopter can climb to any height without any fear. Accordingly, the tank can theoretically be detected.

[Sailor]

Why destroy the only tank and how is it known that it is over 100 km ??

Reasonably, the tank will turn out to be "golden." Therefore, the goal for such a missile, in my opinion, will be the command post, the column on the march, the BP, air defense depots ...

If a drone is detected, then a drone and destroy

And why are you sure that the rocket will not be universal, as we usually do ??? Those. usable also with UAVs, rooks and ducklings.
Yes, there are other means of destruction: MLRS, artillery, but is it really bad to have such a weapon that significantly enhances helicopters, including?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Seaman

why are you sure that the rocket will not be universal, as we usually do ??? Those. usable also with UAV

But how much does such a rocket weigh? Do we have tactical UAVs capable of raising at least a couple of such missiles?

[Sailor]

Do we have tactical UAVs capable of raising at least a couple of such missiles?

Who knows? There is no TTX missile, but, I think, Hunter and Orion will be pulled - range of 100 km, warhead probably 30 kilograms, not a dagger

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Seaman

There is no TTX missile, but, I think, Hunter and Orion are pulled

The hunter will drag it away, there is no doubt, but this is not a completely tactical UAV ... But Orion can only raise 200 kilos - and, in addition to armament, they also include sighting and reconnaissance equipment. So consider it. A pair of UAB weighing more than 50 kg can not be dragged away. And we simply do not have such ones ... And I strongly doubt that Hermes will weigh less than 50 kg. If the UR explosive of the R-73 type (range 40 km) weighs 110 kg, the R-60M (range 10 km) - 44 kg. Plus pylons for them ... In general, it does not grow together.

[Sailor]

So, this missile is not for tactical UAVs - anyway, it will not be superfluous Application, media and goals will be found

[Ros 56]

And besides tanks and goals worthy no longer? I'm surprised with you.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gregory_45

Now explain how to detect a tank-type target

Why discover yourself?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Gregory_45

how to detect a target of the "tank" type and aim a missile at it at a distance of 100 km ???.

Yes easily! We will not talk about AWACS planes ... "yesterday"! The "network" of long-term loitering drones is our "today" (!) ... well, if not now, then by the "evening" ... The network centric is our helmsman, a symbol of worship! We discover, bring and knock down!

[Stalllker]

Then she's kind of a useless rocket

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Stalllker

Then she's kind of a useless rocket

And why such conclusions? The UAV is "sharpened" for reconnaissance functions, target designation ... For a long loitering, it is more important to take more fuel, and not weapons ... It is here that "external" missiles ... "from the side" will be honored !

[Stalllker]

Personally, I think that the Ka-5 * series turntables are a kind of Assosins. And to use a reconnaissance-attack helicopter as a carrier, well, it's kind of "stupid". For this, you can also use drones. Or the turntables are easier.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Stalllker

to use a reconnaissance-attack helicopter as a carrier, well, it's kind of "stupid". You can also use drones for this. Or the turntables are easier.

Alas! I can't agree with you ... and here's why! The main idea is a "combat platform" with weapons ... Not only the Ka-52 can be used as a platform, but also another suitable helicopter ... and not only ... up to airplanes, for example, light transport aircraft (even, An- 2 ...). With the advent of "heavy" multi-rotor UAVs, you can use them as well. If we have in mind weapons, as the development of the Hermes project, then we do not forget the ground version ... But "long-range" weapons need "eyes" ... this is where light reconnaissance drones are needed that do not have weapons. In this case, UAVs will be cheaper, smaller ... (and therefore less noticeable ...). In the long-term loitering mode (which is more convenient to do without weapons ...) the enemy will always be "in sight" ... Possibility of "round-the-clock" operational strike, without regard to the presence of ammunition on the UAV ... And again, on the one hand - ,, expensive ,, combat platform with weapons and, possibly, with a crew (the same, Ka-52 ...) at a "safe" distance from the enemy (up to 100 km) ... and a cheaper "specialized reconnaissance" unmanned system on the other! Moreover, an unmanned reconnaissance complex (may consist of several UAVs ...) may well function simultaneously in the interests of different units ... for example, helicopter and ground, united in a "network-centric" system ... to "serve" several helicopters in this "combat area".

[Stalllker]

He took the same thing, wrote it, just chewed it, so what exactly do you disagree with?

[Stalllker]

And now I do not agree with you! This missile can be fired without entering the air defense zone? Not! So the planes are falling away! They will be brought down before approaching the launch zone. Turntables and blas remain, it’s not worth explaining about the former, but with the latter, based on the cost, blah will be cheaper than an airplane and a tank. And based on financial costs and loss of personnel, even if blah knock down after firing all missiles, then there are NO casualties among the personnel, the enemy has more financial losses, well, numerical and human.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Gregory_45

Now explain how to detect a target of the "tank" type and aim a missile at it at a distance of 100 km ???

What about drones?

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

100 km range of defeat of the new Hermes modification.
"Product 305" is a missile of the promising aircraft anti-tank complex "Hermes-A"

Now explain how to detect a target of the "tank" type and aim a missile at it at a distance of 100 km ???. I’m already silent, what if the tank moves.

The tank will detect any element of the network-centric system, whether it is a drone, a helicopter, an airplane, reconnaissance, including satellite. A helicopter that received

The coordinates and data of the target are entered into the rocket before launch, the "product 305" overcomes most of the path under the control of the inertial navigation system, when approaching the target, the seeker is turned on.
It is equipped with highly sensitive sensors operating in different spectral ranges. The rocket can be guided at the mark of the laser rangefinder-designator, at the heat emitted by the target, and also broadcast the picture from the camera to the helicopter cockpit. The weapon is immune to interference, capable of distinguishing a target from infrared traps and operating in a "fire-and-forget" mode.

https://rg.ru/2020/02/15/ka-52m-vooruzhat-raketoj-s-dalnostiu-100-kilometrov.html

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Now explain how to detect a target of the "tank" type and aim a missile at it at a distance of 100 km ???. I’m already silent, what if the tank moves.

Discover like this -

In addition, the helicopter should receive increased protection, new energy supply systems and target detection (installation of a new radar with AFAR)

And hit using a television or radar seeker.

[alexmach]

"Product 305" is a missile of the promising aircraft anti-tank complex "Hermes-A"

even from afar is not like.

[Mountain shooter]

Serious rocket ... "Alligator" is getting more "teeth"!

[Fedorov]

As I understand it, GLONASS guidance? Well, or other means of target designation. The helicopter itself will not pull. Unless against a tank company.

[Eugene-Eugene]

It is conducted by the on-board system, on the final part of the trajectory the GOS starts to work. This is LMUR, an analogue of the American JAGM.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Fedorov

As I understand it, GLONASS guidance?

guidance on GPS / GLONASS signals - only on a stationary (motionless) target with previously known coordinates. The missile is positioned as anti-tank (if it is really Hermes) - then it should work on moving targets

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gregory_45

guidance on GPS / GLONASS signals - only on a stationary (motionless) target with previously known coordinates.

If the GOS is not available to aim directly at the target.

According to ANN +, correction according to global positioning data brings the rocket to the target area, after which the GOS starts to work.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Spade

there is ANN + correction according to global positioning data brings the rocket to the target area, after which the GOS starts to work

in this case, there is a huge problem of target selection

Quote: Spade

GOS for aiming directly at the target.

in the target area either the spotter should be located, or the UAV should hang. Also not an option.

The range of 100 km for the helicopter SD is redundant. This will affect the dimensions and mass of the rocket (how many of them will the turntable take? Two? It’s worthless from them, say, to eliminate the enemy’s breakthrough) A range of 20-25 km is optimal. And the air defense zone will not enter, and the mass of the rocket, and its cost is still within reasonable limits, and the turntable can work itself, without external target designation.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gregory_45

in this case, there is a huge problem of target selection

?
This problem has long been resolved.
Beginning with the British "Brimstone", on which the fairing was dropped from the seeker at the exit to the target area.

Quote: Gregory_45

in the target area either the spotter should be located, or the UAV should hang.

Or it could be ground units. For example, an ATGM battery

Quote: Gregory_45

Olku then from them, say, during the elimination of an enemy breakthrough)

It is not necessary to consider such systems as a spherical horse.
There is, for example, a motorized rifle unit with its own anti-tank equipment, reflecting the attack of tanks
There is artillery that works in the interests of this UAS unit, there is a senior reserve of the senior commander, there is the nearest army aviation unit operating conventional ATGMs.
There is a far AA unit, which will not have time to fly, but it may very well increase the impact using long-range means

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Gregory_45
in this case, there is a huge problem of target selection

?
This problem has long been resolved.

how? The rocket, for example, with the TGSN, was brought by the INS to the target location area. How will the GOS determine which one to hit? It will catch on to the first one that comes across, and it is not a fact that this will be exactly the desired target. As an example - a mechanized enemy column. The missile seeker instead of a tank caught on a truck. Anyone needs on-site lighting. Second, is there really no artillery? On the external control center, you can cover both the UAS and MLRS shells. Faster and cheaper.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gregory_45

How will the GOS determine which one to hit?

8)))
And how does the face recognition system work? Text recognition system?

In more complex cases, for example, work against "Toyota tanks", you can compare the image received by the GOS with the image previously received from the UAV and entered before launch (such systems already exist, for example, among the Israelis)

Quote: Gregory_45

Anyway, you need a backlight "in place"

Can also be used.

Quote: Gregory_45

Second - is there really no artillery? According to the external control system, it is possible to cover both UAS and MLRS shells. Faster and cheaper.

Not "instead of" but "together"
Efficiency is much higher.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Spade

And how does the face recognition system work? Text recognition system?

yeah, this rocket should then have a highly sophisticated guidance system and TV-GOS. The rocket processor must be able to recognize either thermal signatures or visual images and compare it with the database. Such systems are very expensive and put them on serious missiles, such as RCC or OTRK at least - when the end justifies the means
In my opinion, you have already hit science fiction in relation to the helicopter UR

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gregory_45

yeah, this rocket should then have a highly sophisticated guidance system and TV-GOS.

Yes

Quote: Gregory_45

Such systems are very expensive and put them on serious missiles.

Quote: Gregory_45

In my opinion, you have already hit science fiction in relation to the helicopter UR

https://www.vesty.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5277787,00.html
https://www.rafael.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/EPIK.pdf

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Gregory_45
yeah, this rocket should then have a highly sophisticated guidance system and TV-GOS.

Yes

complicated, and therefore expensive. And why is it needed?

Moreover, if instead of a Crossbow they will put radars with AFAR. As reported at the same VO, its characteristics are as follows:

Serial Ka-52 helicopters, supplied to the armed forces at present, are armed with a dual-band coherent-pulse radar station "Arbalet", which provides reliable detection of ground-based "bridge" -type objects at a distance of up to 32 kilometers, and air targets at a distance of up to 15 kilometers. The new Rezets radar with a fixed AFAR for 640 transmit-receive modules provides detection of a bridge-type target at a distance of up to 100 kilometers, a destroyer-class ship - 150 kilometers, and the new radar also has the ability to detect helicopters at a distance of up to 20 kilometers.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gregory_45

complicated, and therefore expensive. And why is it needed?

It is cheaper than a tank. It is much cheaper than those troops who this tank can kill.

Quote: Gregory_45

more, if instead of the Crossbow they will put radars with AFAR. As reported at the same VO, its characteristics are as follows:

But one does not interfere with the other. I repeat, we have few helicopters. And we will not succeed in creating a density of army aviation units sufficient for a quick response to target designation.
Well, long-range SDs are quite an adequate solution to this complex issue.

===
Cool ... Who is that "loves" you so much?
Slightly fixed it.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Spade

Who "loves" you so much

enough of those who lost in the dispute and whose pride could not bear it. It doesn’t matter what is written in the commentary, it’s just a minuscule that’s all. Adequate people, even a moderator among them are.

[svp67]

Quote: Spade

In more complex cases, for example, work against "Toyota tanks", you can compare the image received by the GOS with the image previously received from the UAV and entered before launch (such systems already exist, for example, among the Israelis)

Thousands of "portraits" of various types of weapons and military equipment are stored in memory, and this is not only the appearance, it is more data on the thermal, electromagnetic and radar appearance of weapons and military equipment

[svp67]

Quote: Gregory_45

GOS missiles instead of a tank caught on a truck.

Only if his "portrait" coincides with what is recorded in the memory of this GOS, and there are many parameters ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Gregory_45

if it really is hermes

The article deals with a cruise missile. As far as I know, "Hermes" is not one of those.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Piramidon

The article deals with a cruise missile. As far as I know, "Hermes" is not one of those

you are not accustomed to the mistakes of the authors that write articles on VO? They like two fingers to call ATGM cruise missile and OTRK - ICBM.

I do not recall a single OCD on a long-range aviation missile, except for the OCD Hermes

For a long time on the Internet, the topic of developing the Hermes ATGM was discussed on the Tula Instrument Design Bureau (KBP JSC). Such a complex has really been developed for a long time, initially under the name "Peck", then, after being renamed to "Hermes". The Hermes complex is supposed to be placed on land, surface and air carriers. According to various sources, the range of the aircraft version of the Hermes complex rocket should be about 25 km, the range of the ground version of the complex can be up to 100 km.

There is an opinion that a firing range of 100 km can be achieved at launch from any type of carrier and is more dependent on the ability of the carrier to provide target designation at maximum range. The rocket speed is supersonic, the maximum is about 1000 m / s, the average is 500 m / s. The Hermes-A complex (aircraft version) was primarily intended for equipping Ka-52 helicopters.

Missiles of the Hermes complex cannot be classified as ATGMs; rather, it is a multifunctional air-to-ground (w-h) or earth-to-ground (w-w) missile. The Hermes missiles provide for the use of several guidance systems, in particular, with a high probability we can talk about the presence of an inertial guidance system, a radio command guidance system and a laser homing head (GOS), similar to those used in guided artillery shells (UAS) of the Krasnopol type .

Other suggested GOS options include a passive thermal imaging homing head, an active radar homing head, or a combined thermal imaging + laser homing. Presumably, the inertial guidance system can be supplemented by correction according to the data of the Glonass satellite navigation system, which would be reasonable for hitting stationary remote targets.

[Alexga]

But is it necessary to equip a reconnaissance-attack helicopter with a missile with a range of 100 km. Are there more convenient ways to launch cruise missiles. This is the question of tactics of application.

[Fedorov]

She is not winged. As I understand it, it flies to a given area, and then either target designation or a homing head for armored vehicles.

[Alexga]

The upgraded Ka-52M helicopter will be able to carry the latest aircraft cruise missiles (KR) "Product 305". This helicopter KR can effectively hit any ground targets, including enemy armored vehicles, at ranges of up to 100 km

[Piramidon]

Quote: Fedorov

She is not winged.

Judging by the article, just winged.

The armament of the Russian attack helicopter Ka-52M will include aviation winged missile with a range of up to 100 km

Even in the title it is written in large bold.

[SHURUM -BURUM]

Alexander.
I don’t understand why either?

[jonht]

As an example of application tactics.
A jump airfield at the front zone, at the leading edge, an attempt to break through, it will take 2 or more hours to carry out an air strike, and a helicopter with product 305 will be shot at for external target designation, it can be right above the jump airfield after about 30 minutes.
A conditional example, do not look for flaws in it.

[abc_alex]

Quote: jonht

at the leading edge, a breakthrough attempt, it will take 2 or more hours to carry out an air strike, and a helicopter with a 305 product will be shot at an external target designation, it can be right above the airfield after about 30 minutes.

And how many missiles will he bring? One? Two? Not enough to eliminate the breakout? The army has normal ground systems for this case. The same "Tornado". If the front is then, then the artillery is probably in the rear, right?

[abc_alex]

Of course not. 100 km is a deep rear. But helicopters are still battlefield technology. 100 km from the front, any ground platform, even wheeled, even tracked, will feel great.

[Fedorov]

100 km is a deep rear

If "Tornado is guaranteed to shoot 60 km and immediately change its location. What then is the rear?"

[Lopatov]

Quote: abc_alex

Of course not. 100 km is a deep rear.

Or the flank.
And as practice shows, a rocket flies faster than a helicopter. At least for now.
And the complex helicopter + long-range missile will be able to provide operational support for ground units in a much larger band. Which in the conditions of a rather small number of our army aviation is very important.

Now, if you simplify it to the extreme, one helicopter can hit the target 10 minutes after target designation at the front 45 + 45 = 90 km. And with the new ammunition, the 100 + 100 km band can be covered with a reaction time of 3-4 minutes (at the stated average speed of 500 m / s)

[abc_alex]

Quote: Spade

Now, if you simplify it to the extreme, one helicopter can hit the target 10 minutes after target designation at the front 45 + 45 = 90 km. And with the new ammunition, the 100 + 100 km band can be covered with a reaction time of 3-4 minutes (at the stated average speed of 500 m / s)

A helicopter does not need to fly from the airport? This tractor can stand at least a day in the deployment area in anticipation of target designation. A helicopter is located at the airport. So he first needs to receive an order for departure and primary target designation, fly to the launch zone, and only then shoot. 10 minutes does not get off. Again, ground equipment is already capable of carrying much more long-range missiles than a helicopter. One MLRS Smerch machine carries 12 missiles with a launch range of up to 120 km. This is an analogue of 6 helicopters, even if you forget that the Smerch rocket is much more powerful. Extremely simplified: place one Tornado BM with modified missiles after 50 km at a distance of 20 km from the front line and at any time without delay you will receive at least one missile according to your target designation. Why do you need a helicopter?

[Lopatov]

Quote: AlexGa

Is it necessary to equip a reconnaissance-attack helicopter with a missile with a range of 100 km?

Of course. That's when we will have as many helicopters as the Americans (the army aviation brigade as part of the combined arms division), then it will be possible to abandon such weapons.

[abc_alex]

"item 305". This helicopter CD can effectively engage any ground targets, including enemy armored vehicles, at a distance of up to 100 km

Some nonsense. Product 305, in any case what was tested in the summer, is a fancy missile with a range of 20-40 km. How does the sensational author suggest aiming with such a missile? If the helicopter farther than 20 km (according to open sources) doesn’t even see from the radar? What is 100 km? What for?
A new rocket (according to rumors and voices) is a product where everything that the Gorbo-building and the 90s did not allow to implement on the basis of an aircraft rocket. These are multispectral IR homing and laser illumination and (hello to Israeli "original" developments) tele-guidance by radio channel.
But definitely not 100 km.

[Sky strike fighter]

What is the weight of this rocket?

[abc_alex]

I do not know. Short text ... :)

[Eugene-Eugene]

Weaving is a bike. At the end of the year, Shoigu announced that he would soon reach the milestone of 25 km

[abc_alex]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

Weaving is a bike. At the end of the year, Shoigu announced that he would soon reach the milestone of 25 km

Which is logical. Further, the Mi-28NM radar does not yet see. And for the Ka-52, no one will make their own rocket, even if he sees further.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

Weaving is a bike

but urry-patriots pleased) Schass with foam at the city hall will prove that it is 100 km - this is a minimum, but in fact 500+

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

At the end of the year, Shoigu announced that he would soon reach the milestone of 25 km

In the SAR with Mi-28, they also tested a missile with a range of about 20 km. What is logical - Hunter’s radar does not see further, and it’s not necessary. Combat helicopters operate at low altitudes, hiding under the folds of terrain

[Nikolaevich I]

Nadot. to separate the grain from the chaff ... specifics, of course, is not enough ... about the "product 305" ... But it becomes "easier" if we assume that it is, after all, a "derivative of Hermes"! Recall that the Hermes is a bicaliber 2-stage missile of the Pantsir, Tunguska, Sosna type ... the 2nd (marching) stage is "the same", with the exception of the GOS ... caliber 130 mm. But the 1st "accelerating" stage is "various"! The most "large-caliber" launch stages are 170 mm and 210 mm ... This is where the "various" missile ranges come from. From 15-18 km to 100 km Guidance system: Radio command, radio command + INS ... GOS: 1.semi-active laser + IR; 2. active "radar" (AR.GSN.MM) ... "Initially" it was planned more GOS, but "changed their mind"! Of course, this information is at least 20 years old. Over the past years, it was possible to add GPS-correction ... it is advisable to create an optical-electronic seeker (TV + IR) ... in the future, active laser ("lidar") seeker will be "relevant". Basically, 100 km is not the limit! This range is provided by the "booster block" with a "caliber" of 210 mm ... And if we add the 1st stage of 220, 240, 300 mm? And not solid fuel yet, but with a ramjet engine? And if the sustainer stage is given the properties of loitering ammunition? To increase the caliber of the sustainer stage to 140, 152, 160 mm? Give anti-helicopter functions ... One should not forget the fact that "Hermes" was conceived as "interspecies"; and aviation, land, ship ...
That is, the "HERMES project" is multifunctional and therefore very promising!

[NEXUS]

Quote: abc_alex

If the helicopter farther than 20 km (according to open sources) doesn’t even see from the radar? What is 100 km? What for?

And you do not consider at all TsU with the help of a drone? Why are all these drones reconnaissance created? Schaub was Oh?

[Observer2014]

It would be interesting to know in more detail about this "product 305". And the most interesting thing is how it is taken out of the helicopter to the target. 100 km is not for you. Especially take into account that, judging by the article, armored vehicles are struck. will light up on the ground? Or other types of intelligence? About six years ago we were talking about the creation of "Hermes" Maybe this product is this "Hermes"? So it was positioned as an ATGM and not a cruise missile
I will give an excerpt from one article:

If you have not read about this complex, then it deserves attention: 8 missiles in the ammunition for each attack helicopter Ka-52 or a modernized "flying tank" Su-25 allow you to "please" the enemy with an accurate strike at a great distance for this type of weapon. The speed of the rocket exceeds 3500 km / h, and its high-explosive fragmentation warhead produces a devastating effect at the level of a 250-kg bomb, hitting the target from above. Actually, this is already a universal complex, and not a “classic” ATGM - Hermes destroys not only tanks, but also fortifications, helicopters, ships ... A land version of the complex (24 missiles on a launcher) has been created, which works in conjunction with an unmanned aerial vehicle , ship and coastal.

[Eugene-Eugene]

Yes, this is not Hermes, this is LMUR - "light multifunctional guided missile", but not cruise, reminds American JAGM. Moreover, TASS itself, which is now talking about the KR per 100 km, wrote about 305 km in relation to the 25 product that year: https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6619661; https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6236432.
There is really nothing in the video, but the description for the video reveals the name, at least the abbreviation:

[jonht]

It is quite possible to make it two-step and bicaliber, and this will give us an increase in range.

[Eugene-Eugene]

Light rocket - two steps?

[jonht]

So I did not say that it is light, rather average. And the article does not indicate light ...

[Warrior MorePhoto]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

Yes, this is not Hermes, this is LMUR - "light multifunctional guided missile", but not cruise, reminds American JAGM. Moreover, TASS itself, which is now talking about the KR per 100 km, wrote about 305 km in relation to the 25 product that year: https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6619661; https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6236432.
There is really nothing in the video, but the description for the video reveals the name, at least the abbreviation:

I agree! Hermes is different.

About 100 km there are a lot of doubts, but if it is really similar to JAGM, then it is very pleasing! Indeed, a range of 25 km will be quite, especially if it will hit moving targets.
It was tested in Syria, which means that tasks were set for the situation in real combat conditions, and I think the tasks were completed with 100% desired result.
The long-awaited and even more so in terms of characteristics surpasses Helfires.

[Eugene-Eugene]

Yes, with this thing we will already have an advantage, JAGM are seriously inferior.

[Maxwrx]

The video says about 10 minutes ago. Those. as I understand it, the helicopter launched rockets, and after 10 minutes the helicopter flew. Moreover, I think the author’s mistake is that 10 minutes after launch, and not an explosion. The shadow is not clear, or mi-8, or 24. What is the speed on the video? Who has a diamond eye ?? I guess 200 km. 10 minutes of summer will be just about 25 km.

[Amateur]

RBK-500 SPBE-D bomb cartridge with self-aiming warhead - a bomb cluster with self-aiming anti-tank warheads equipped with a dual-spectrum infrared target coordinator. Designed to destroy all modern tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other armored vehicles with positive thermal contrast relative to the underlying surface under the influence of natural and artificial interference. Can hit up to six tanks. It provides combat use at altitudes from 600 to 5000 m at aircraft speeds of 500-1900 km / h both in horizontal flight, and when diving and cabriding to angles of 20-30 °. The striking element SPBE-D is a further development of the SPBE ammunition, also used in the cluster warhead reactive MLRS system "Smerch"

And if a single Smerch MLRS missile (up to 120 km) with a cluster warhead for 6 homing anti-tank elements is fired at the alleged location of their tank, maybe it will be even cooler than the "305"?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Amateur

maybe it will be even cooler than "305"

Not a fact.
The dispersion, although less due to correction in the active part of the trajectory, but not zero.
Therefore, only for a group purpose such as a column or equipment in the area of ​​concentration and not one missile, but a battery or divisional salvo.

[Amateur]

and not just one missile, but a battery or divisional salvo.

Divisional salvo "Smerch" her x0 Lithuania together with amerovskoy armored division.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Amateur

Divisional salvo "Smerch" her x0 Lithuania together with amerovskoy armored division.

I'm afraid Lithuania is not so small

[Amateur]

Brigade "Smerch" 48 PU x12 guides x 5 anti-tank homing ammunition = 2880 pcs. Enough for amerovskoy division. (the composition of the division could not be found. Sorry)

[Lopatov]

Quote: Amateur

Brigade "Tornado"

Consists of several divisions

Quote: Amateur

48 PU

If we are talking about the brigade, then rather 12 than 48. Two cars in the battery, 4 cars in the division, 12 cars in the re-assembly

[Demon_is_ada]

There most likely tanks are not going to extinguish, just the MLRS at the time of taking up a position for shooting, then the sheepskin is worth the candle. And a tank even 10 km from the front line is not such an urgent target. I think for stopping the MLRS threat, well, for operational purposes such as headquarters, radar, etc.