Source: Ministry of Defense will purchase up to a thousand modern tanks

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A meeting of the country's military department was held in Moscow, in which Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Putin took part. During this meeting, the future was explained in detail tank troops of Russia.

To date, the armed forces have restored their striking potential, taking at their disposal in the process of large-scale renewal of combat power about two thousand MBT models T-72B3. These vehicles, obtained during the repair and modernization of the old fleet, eventually became the basis of modern tank troops. At the same time, outdated modifications in the ground forces include 50% of armored vehicles - the lowest indicator of all the branches and types of the RF Armed Forces.



Tanks of the future


As the source of the Vedomosti publication, cited by the Russian media, explained, under these conditions, the Ministry of Defense decided to start mass replenishment of MBT through the purchase of more advanced types. By 2027, it is planned to put up to a thousand (at least 900) modern tanks in the troops. 500 of them will be treated to the model T-14 "Armata". The remaining 400 will fall to T-90M.

Three contracts are currently being implemented in 2017-2019 for the supply of T-90M with a total volume of more than 160 units: two agreements on the transfer in 2018-2019 of 10 new T-90Ms and 50 old ones, that is, previously released but improved. The third involved the modernization of more than 100 T-90A. According to the deputy. The head of the military department, Alexei Krivoruchko, currently in the ground forces there are about 400 tanks of the T-90 type of early modifications, which are subject to modernization.



Problems of modernization and calculations


At the same time, the modernization of the T-90 was delayed, as it encountered a number of problems that it was possible to overcome. They were due to the refinement of the fire control and target tracking system and the transition to a new tower module with a new dynamic defense. In 2020, it is planned to get 15 T-90M.

In connection with these figures, three questions arise. Firstly, if the 400 existing T-90s are subject to modernization, how many will be built from scratch — 10 already contracted units? Secondly, the sum of 900 tanks beats “Armata” and T-90M. Does this mean a refusal to upgrade the T-80 to the T-80BVM version? Thirdly, does the T-72 upgrade program to the T-72B3 model collapse? However, for now, we will take into account that the publication operates with insider information, in connection with which certain shortcomings in the figures given are possible.

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    1. -11
      February 15 2020
      Somehow these tanks with displays of confidence do not inspire.
      1. +11
        February 15 2020
        Quote: Sergey39
        Somehow these tanks with displays of confidence do not inspire.

        All when it happens for the first time. So here it is unusual at first, and then it becomes ordinary, but still resembles computer games.
        1. +3
          February 15 2020
          Only a tankman in a tank, but not a camera room 1000 km from the front
      2. -14
        February 15 2020
        Would have bought faster. Not that the inhabitants of LDNR were tortured to wait for Ukraine to be forced into peace.
        1. Alf
          +10
          February 15 2020
          Quote: siberalt
          Not that the inhabitants of LDNR were tortured to wait for Ukraine to be forced into peace.

          It is unlikely that they will wait, even if the Imperial Destroyers are adopted.
      3. +14
        February 15 2020
        Quote: Sergey39
        Somehow these tanks with displays of confidence do not inspire.

        Do you still use a push-button telephone?
        1. +18
          February 15 2020
          Quote: ROSS_51
          Do you still use a push-button telephone?

          Disk!
          1. 0
            February 16 2020
            Quote: Sergey39
            Quote: ROSS_51
            Do you still use a push-button telephone?

            Disk!

            God bless you! My mother is 80 (God grant her health) with difficulty, but mastered the smartphone ..
            And I wish you the same ..
        2. +2
          February 15 2020
          Right Even two: Nokia 6300 and Nokia 3310 New. And a smartphone too. Another phone is Russia with AON ...
      4. +4
        February 15 2020
        I do not agree with you! There were no displays on the IL-2 attack aircraft either! Now take a look at the SU-35 cockpit. Yes I do not argue sensors, manometers are more reliable., But tank battles are completely different! Modern tank battle does not always imply the visual visibility of the enemy.
        1. -1
          February 15 2020
          Quote: Dmitry Potapov
          I do not agree with you! There were no displays on the IL-2 attack aircraft either! Now take a look at the SU-35 cockpit. Yes I do not argue sensors, manometers are more reliable., But tank battles are completely different! Modern tank battle does not always imply the visual visibility of the enemy.

          How's that?
          1. +2
            February 15 2020
            The enemy’s eyes are not visible, and the display shows, even under disguise, and even in dense thickets, and the display also shows how the tank is illuminated with a laser target designator, which you will not see with the ordinary eye, the start of the position of an anti-tank missile is calculated.
            1. -2
              February 15 2020
              Quote: Dmitry Potapov
              The enemy’s eyes are not visible, and the display shows, even under disguise, and even in dense thickets, and the display also shows how the tank is illuminated with a laser target designator, which you will not see with the ordinary eye, the start of the position of an anti-tank missile is calculated.

              Clear. Did you see the tank live? Do not answer, thanks.
              1. +1
                February 15 2020
                Yes I saw. And even tried to enter the Chirchik tank school.
        2. -5
          February 15 2020
          However, tanks still do not fly, but move along all the bumps in the Earth. The electronics are fragile.
          1. +4
            February 15 2020
            Quote: Sergey39
            Fragile electronics

            Do you seriously believe that civilian and military electronics are one and the same thing ??? Chinese boards with Chinese same thin wires ??? Have you seen tank units? There is such wild iron, and the boards are filled with sealant, that if you drop such a block from the second floor onto concrete, he won’t
            1. +6
              February 15 2020
              Quote: Gregory_45
              that drop such a block from the second floor onto concrete, he won’t

              hi What will not be concrete? sad wink
        3. 0
          February 15 2020
          Quote: Dmitry Potapov
          Modern tank battle does not always imply visual visibility of the enemy

          is it like that? Tank shells around the corner of the building know how to fly, make a slide and over the hill ??? a tank gun can fire only at a visually observable target.
          1. +2
            February 15 2020
            Quote: Gregory_45
            a tank gun can fire only at a visually observable target.

            Yeah, even at a range of 11 meters?
            1. -2
              February 15 2020
              Quote: svp67
              Yeah, even at a range of 11 meters?

              are you from the tank for 11 km can visually observe a ground target ???
              Or are you going to shoot a tank gun at 11 km ???
              And generally speaking. why do you have such stupid comments? A normal person understands what I meant
              1. +4
                February 15 2020
                Quote: Gregory_45
                are you from the tank for 11 km can visually observe a ground target ???

                I'm not, I'm on a demobilization ... But those who came to replace me can. Have you heard anything about reconnaissance UAVs? With their help, adjustment is now excellently carried out at long ranges.
                Quote: Gregory_45
                And generally speaking. why do you have such stupid comments?

                Yes, because with it, that is, STUPIDness bears from yours. Have you heard about the fire system? About the pre-set data entered into the tank’s fire cards, the turret’s angle of rotation, the angle of elevation of the gun according to the angle indicator? Have you had to do this? Areas of the CO platoon, company of tanks heard of this ever, at what ranges are they being created?
                Quote: Gregory_45
                A normal person understands what I meant

                Of course it’s clear, it’s clear that you are simply NOT IN THE TOPIC
                1. 0
                  February 15 2020
                  Quote: svp67
                  Have you heard anything about reconnaissance UAVs?

                  heard of course. Not uneducated and not dumber than you.

                  Quote: svp67
                  With their help, adjustment is now excellently carried out at long ranges.

                  A tank is not a howitzer. His gun is designed for direct fire. The elevation coal is small; the LMS is not intended to fire from closed positions. Yes, you can use the angle and calculate something there, only the accuracy of the fire will be below all criticism. Only in areas.

                  Quote: svp67
                  Stupidity bears from your

                  you better pay attention to your log in the eye, often look in the mirror and re-read your comments. You look at that, too, for the establishment of your own jambs, and it will not come to criticizing others, and comments will become smarter. Smart people start with themselves, stupid people seek flaws from others.
                  1. +4
                    February 15 2020
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    The MSA is not intended to fire from closed positions.

                    And where does the SLA, when for this he has other devices ... sight, side level ... radio station
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    Yes, you can use the angle and calculate something there, only the accuracy of the fire will be below all criticism. Only in areas.

                    How far you are from all this. And what is the fate of the CO unit you know?
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    Smart people start with themselves, stupid people seek flaws from others.

                    Well, judging by this, you do not threaten to become smart ...
                    1. 0
                      February 15 2020
                      Quote: svp67
                      And where does the MSA

                      Yeah, on the howitzers the specialized MSAs put nothing to do))) Still it is decided by the lateral level)))

                      Quote: svp67
                      sight, side level ... radio station

                      and come out at best shooting at squares. Apparently, you are one of those who decided to make a howitzer from a tank ???

                      Quote: svp67
                      You become smart DOES NOT THREAT.

                      yeah, I hear this from whoever it is no longer threatens..) judging by your comments ..
                      1. +1
                        February 15 2020
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        Yeah, on the howitzers the specialized MSAs put nothing to do))) Still it is decided by the lateral level)))

                        Each type of weapon has its own work on the battlefield and for this they are provided with everything that is needed.
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        and come out at best shooting at squares. Apparently, you are one of those who decided to make a howitzer from a tank ???

                        You from artillery systems only heard about howitzers? Do you know anything else? Have you heard about guns? And how are they and their ballistics different?
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        judging by your comments ..

                        To each his own ... I now judge not only by your comments, often childish and clearly not a specialist, but also by actions ... Yes, I already have almost three thousand and a half comments, you have where and how to spend time minus them all. I honestly do not care about any "cons", I personally express my opinion ...
                        I have the honor. Excuse me.
                        1. -1
                          February 15 2020
                          Quote: svp67
                          Each weapon model has its own work on the battlefield.

                          that's it. The tank has its own, the self-propelled guns have their own. And do not do the second of the first, what are you actively doing

                          Quote: svp67
                          Have you heard about guns? And how are they and their ballistics different?

                          if you don’t know this - Google will help you

                          Quote: svp67
                          Yes, I have almost three thousand and a half comments

                          if only half of them were literate ...
            2. 0
              February 17 2020
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Gregory_45
              a tank gun can fire only at a visually observable target.

              Yeah, even at a range of 11 meters?

              T-10, like, right up to 15 km., No? drinks
          2. 0
            February 17 2020
            Quote: Gregory_45
            Quote: Dmitry Potapov
            Modern tank battle does not always imply visual visibility of the enemy

            is it like that? Tank shells around the corner of the building know how to fly, make a slide and over the hill ??? a tank gun can fire only at a visually observable target.

            No, of course, tanks can quite easily fire from closed positions, but the language still won’t turn it into a tank battle. laughing
        4. -1
          February 15 2020
          You lead the loss of IL-2 in the Second World War?
      5. +2
        February 15 2020
        Does it inspire in airplanes? But they fly and nothing, everything is fine, although they are also shaking decently. So the tank can stop on the sidelines.
      6. +1
        February 15 2020
        As well as the first fighter jets in their time. Well, is a plane conceivable without a screw !!!?
      7. +3
        February 15 2020
        The clown from the television does not inspire confidence.
      8. 0
        February 15 2020
        Quote: Sergey39
        Somehow these tanks with displays of confidence do not inspire.

        Looking at the video, I thought that with a sharp braking of the car, these two comrades simply fly with their headsets into these monitors.
      9. -1
        February 15 2020
        Quote: Sergey39
        tanks with trust displays do not inspire.

        Displays can be very reliable, at least for a while ... wink
        But, of course, simple duplication systems must be provided - optical aiming and surveillance devices.
        The tank should be able to start from the tug (for the T-80, for example, this is impossible), albeit slowly, but be able to manually load, although the STV does not work, but the turret must be able to rotate.
        Indeed, in the fight against a strong enemy, it will always be precisely the technical and logistical support.
        NATO also had the doctrine of the fight against Soviet tanks, which envisaged not only and not so much the defeat of the tanks themselves, but attacks on the rear, the columns of fuel trucks, second-hand trucks, and repair units.
        Now, by the way, there are various modes of operation of the OMS and they allow you to fight even with some failures.
        1. +2
          February 15 2020
          Quote: Alekseev
          simple duplication systems must be provided - optical aiming and surveillance devices

          nobody refuses triplexes

          Quote: Alekseev
          The tank must be able to start with a tug.

          just not in the case of gas turbine engines. For a diesel engine locked even with a gun - this is not a problem

          Quote: Alekseev
          note the possibility of manual loading

          How do you imagine this with an uninhabited BM? Get out and stuff the shot through the loading hatches of the module? The uninhabited BO imposes its limitations; here we must work on the reliability and duplication of systems.

          Quote: Alekseev
          NATO also had the doctrine of the fight against Soviet tanks, which envisaged not only and not so much the defeat of the tanks themselves, but attacks on the rear, the columns of fuel trucks, second-hand trucks, and repair units.

          there is such a thing. But this is no longer the problem of the tank itself, it is the problem of ensuring command and control of the troops. Of course, tanks without fuel and ammunition turn into a pile of useless iron
          1. 0
            February 16 2020
            I didn’t expect that banal things about the need for duplication of complex systems operating in extreme conditions, as well as about the importance of doing, if possibleeasier technical rear support and repair of promising BTT models will cause displeasure from certain civilians, who, it is true, spent a lot of time on the armor by adjusting the aiming angles worked out by the FCS using a collimator pipe. laughing
            If
            Quote: Gregory_45
            nobody refuses triplexes
            that is good. I, like almost everyone, do not know this. But I know for sure that not only triplexes of the TNPO type are needed, but more sophisticated devices through which you can not only observe, but also take aim if necessary.
            About the factory with a tugboat and gas turbine engine, everything is true, which is one of the minuses of a helicopter engine on earth.
            Rђ RІRѕS,
            Quote: Gregory_45
            how do you imagine it with uninhabited BM
            eliminate the misfire and then discharge the gun, as expected, with a shot. After all, this happens, albeit not so often. Yes, you need to be able to "visit" the BO, leaving the capsule for the crew or without leaving, as they think up and intervene in emergency cases in its work. To climb in the same T-80 or T-64 into the BO from the M / V place is also almost like from a capsule laughing but nothing, climbed when necessary.
            As for the "command and control" work on logistics and technical support, it is clear that if the MBT consumes 4,5 liters of fuel per km, then it is much easier to provide it than with a consumption of about 8.
            If you can remove the engine with a volatile or hoist, then this is better than the need to attract a more powerful BREM crane, if you can replace the part and restore combat efficiency, then this is also better than the need to change the whole unit, or even the unit. And you say
            Quote: Gregory_45
            no problem directly tank
            .
            hi
      10. +5
        February 15 2020
        Quote: Sergey39
        Somehow these tanks with displays of confidence do not inspire.

        I remember that once the tanks did not inspire trust in anyone, because it was believed that it was more accurate with a saber. Yes laughing
      11. 0
        February 15 2020
        For some reason, with the word display, the average person imagines his iPhone, and not an ATM that has passed millions of users.
      12. 0
        February 16 2020
        Quote: Sergey39
        Somehow these tanks with displays of confidence do not inspire.

        really ... what for all this. Give sticks with stones.

        I love people with conservative views; then they are against the railway, they tell terrible theories about what will happen to people at speeds above 30km. They don’t like digital technologies, they say they are less stable than analog ones, and it’s nothing that the very digital technologies are successfully used in the most aggressive environment in the world in space, which is only worth overloading when launching the carrier into space.
    2. +5
      February 15 2020
      Judging by the program, tank troops remain the most important component of our Armed Forces and a bet has been made on the latest models of tanks.
    3. -4
      February 15 2020
      500 of them will belong to the Armata T-14 model. The remaining 400 will fall on the T-90M.

      Do I understand correctly that the main bet on Armata is not T-90M?
      1. +11
        February 15 2020
        how there Khoja Nasreddin said. after 10 years, either the donkey will die, or I, or the Padishah
        1. +5
          February 15 2020
          Who will remember this meeting, and even more so this article in 2027?
          1. +4
            February 15 2020
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Who will remember this meeting, and even more so this article in 2027?

            but we will remember everyone by name.
      2. +1
        February 15 2020
        Bet is another fake. Well, what 400 units of T-90M and what 500 units. T-14 to the year 27 ???? This is from the category of 2 thousand Armat by the year 20. Moreover, in the year 20, as many as 15 units of Emoc are set. that is, for 6 years it will remain some 385 units. to deliver or 80 units per year. About Armata in general, comments are unnecessary.
        1. +1
          February 15 2020
          Well, what 400ed T-90M

          400 T-90s are available and require modernization in any case.
          and what 500 units. T-14

          Here, yes, rather a free assumption.
      3. +3
        February 15 2020
        Quote: Victor_B
        Do I understand correctly that the main bet on Armata is not T-90M?

        the article clearly states that the basis of our armored forces is the T-72B3
    4. +1
      February 15 2020
      To date, the armed forces have restored their strike potential, taking at their disposal in the process of large-scale renewal of combat power about two thousand MBT models T-72B3

      I wish everyone who says so and believes, as part of the T-72B3 crew, to meet a truly modern tank, attack helicopter / UAV and ATGM for verification.
      By 2027, it is planned to supply at least 900 modern types of tanks to the troops. 500 of them will belong to the Armata T-14 model. The remaining 400 will fall on the T-90M.

      Those. after "amendments to the Constitution". OK. All clear.
      1. +2
        February 15 2020
        Quote: lexus
        Those. after "amendments to the Constitution". OK. All clear.

        When discussing the "amendments" the remarks are clear, but probably it is impossible to stop the "locomotive without brakes"! So you can get obsessions when problems of daily stool or hangovers are linked to "constitutional amendments".
      2. +6
        February 15 2020
        Quote: lexus
        Those. after "amendments to the Constitution". OK. All clear.

        in theory, he should not live.
        1. +2
          February 15 2020
          in theory, he should not live.

          The tank may not survive. They will chat like a "carrot" before the noses of those in need, and even close the project because it costs more than the funeral of a simple "Vanya-tankist". As for the ^ Roskomnadzor ^ - there are whole institutions of "eternity" trying. I hope, like everyone else, "saw" budgets - in Russia from time immemorial, the attitude towards any "Kashcheyi" is definitely negative.
          1. +5
            February 15 2020
            Quote: Lex
            ... the attitude towards any "Kashchei" is definitely negative.

            So I’m saying that the needle will be broken earlier than 2027) And then what will happen to the tank, because it’s iron.
    5. +14
      February 15 2020
      I no longer believe in all these stories about deliveries for the eleventh year
      1. -2
        February 15 2020
        Each in his own mind goes crazy, to believe or not to believe, this is from the realm of sensations.
    6. +6
      February 15 2020
      If we modernize the T-72B, then not according to the shameful, miserable version of the B3, even the 2016 model.
    7. +1
      February 15 2020
      Nefig T-90M from scratch to rivet - the first thing to do is upgrade the combatant T-90
      And perhaps, in connection with the latest information, things with Armata are not as bad as we recently think?
      1. 0
        February 15 2020
        Far from being a fact about modernization ... You yourself understand that there the designer was tricky in the latest version, it is far from the fact that you can shove it into the previous one (for example, even with armor plates muddled). No, of course, I understand that according to the "idea" they had to take into account that they would have to modernize the old fleet ... But given how they like to say "this is a completely new car blah blah blah" ... As the saying goes, anything can happen in life (
        Although here I agree with you ... they will most likely carry out the modernization of the old T-90 fleet. For to buy the brand new T-90 and T-14 ... produce a zoo?

        Why did you think that things were so bad with Armat? She is currently completing a cycle of tests ... it is clear that there "climbed" a bunch of very different things. And the whole thing had to be corrected.

        Agree, it's better to lick everything there slowly (let's face it, there is simply no money for all the Wishlist) than to engage in "eternal modernization" and produce versions of M, M2, M3, M4, etc.
    8. sen
      0
      February 15 2020
      According to Rossiyskaya Gazeta:
      https://rg.ru/2020/02/10/operezhaet-na-pokolenie-na-zapade-ocenili-modernizaciiu-t-90m.html
      The firepower of the "Breakthrough-3" was increased by equipping it with a cannon from the T-14 tank, which, together with the "Kalina" fire control complex, makes it possible to use a wide range of ammunition.
      Other major improvements to the T-90M include the Afghanit active protection system and the Relikt dynamic protection system, as well as digital communication and control systems taken from the Armata, which significantly improve awareness during combat operations.
    9. +4
      February 15 2020
      That is, all 400 T90s will be upgraded to the T90M version, did I understand everything correctly?
    10. +3
      February 15 2020
      As explained source publications

      Drain secret information or OBS generator?
    11. -2
      February 15 2020
      Oh, these armata. Recently it was planned to deliver 80 tanks, now 500. So where is the truth? The truth is probably that it is cheaper to upgrade the T-72 and T-90, which are still the best tanks in the world, and of which we have more than 2000 pieces. It turns out that we are not very much in need of "Armata". We have a very weak link, warships of the oceanic zone of operation, that's where you don't need to spare money. Although, of course, the "Armata" will be very useful to us in case of war.
    12. +2
      February 15 2020
      Well, if that is so ... We are only glad if modern equipment arrives in the troops! This is the guarantee of Peaceful Sky above your head. We do not need War - We need to crush potential!
    13. +2
      February 15 2020
      At the same time, outdated modifications in the ground forces include 50% of armored vehicles - the lowest indicator of all the branches and types of the RF Armed Forces.
      Something does not add up here ... Out of 10 (approximately) T-000s, 72 have been modernized. That's 2000%. Of the rather significant (20 - 3000) number of T-4000s, several hundred have been modernized. And then if the half-hearted modernization is attributed to modern weapons. And about the lowest indicator for the share of old equipment: the Strategic Missile Forces clearly have more new weapons than old ones. Compare at least how many "Topols", and how many "Topol-M" and "Yarsov". New blocks are being installed on the UR-80. Yes, and "Voevoda" language will not turn to call an outdated complex. It's even easier in aviation. Obsolete aircraft are simply written off, because physical wear has reached the limit. There are already more new front-line bombers Su-100 than Su-34. There are more Su-24 and Su-30 heavy fighters than Soviet-made Su-35s (and of these twenty-seventh, some have been modernized). The vast majority of MiG-27s have also been decommissioned. So in tactical aviation the share of new and modernized equipment is more than half
      1. +5
        February 15 2020
        It is not that simple. Upgrading to level B3 is not possible for those T 72 models that were released before version B. It was almost over. t 80 became a machine of narrow specialization and is supplied only as a replacement or to those who originally had them or marines. then only go to the north. which means they are not needed much.
      2. +2
        February 15 2020
        There are more Su-30 and Su-35 heavy fighters than Soviet-made Su-27


        hi
        There is no mistake? In my opinion, in the USSR about 250 aircraft were in air defense and about 150 aircraft in the air force, about 400 aircraft. And the Su-30 and Su-35, in total, we have half as much now.
        1. +2
          February 15 2020
          So then in the USSR. Part went to other republics. More than half of what is left is written off for the above reason. Part lost in disasters. Now in the videoconferencing about a hundred and twenty-seventh
          1. +2
            February 15 2020
            Is logical. I misunderstood what I read, thought about a comparison with the number that was in service with the Soviet Union.
      3. +1
        February 15 2020
        Something does not fit here ... Of the 10 (approximately) T-000s, 72 were modernized. This is 2000%. Out of a rather significant (20 - 3000) number of T-4000s, several hundred were modernized.

        The trick is that the tank (and any other equipment), stored for a long time, becomes unusable. Even when stored under ideal conditions, after 25 years, the machine must be sent for overhaul. And the storage conditions with us for the past 30 years have been far from ideal.
        Therefore, what is said to be “modernized” is actually a major overhaul (well, slightly modernized) and is ready for use. The rest is not ready.
        1. +3
          February 15 2020
          Even when stored in ideal conditions, after 25 years, the machine must be sent for overhaul

          God be with you, what kind of overhaul after storage "in ideal conditions", that is, according to all regulations or what? Simple de-preservation and that's all. Flushing and replacement of conservation oil in all mechanical units for working, replacement of all rubber gaskets. A couple of days to tinker.
      4. -1
        February 15 2020
        Out of 10 (approximately) T-000s, 72 were modernized

        With the original plans for 2400. What does not converge then? By the way, aren't these the 400 more that were missing in the article?
        1. 0
          February 15 2020
          The figure does not converge - 50%. Out of 13-14 thousand tanks there should be about 7 thousand repaired and modernized. Then and only then you can declare - 50%. And according to the share of new technology in other branches of the armed forces, I wrote above
          1. +1
            February 15 2020
            Of 13-14 thousand tanks should be about 7 thousand

            So 13-14 thousand, taking into account the technology in storage (and most of them are in storage). And 2400 is something like the current needs for army tanks. that's where the 50% figure came from is a very good question. Maybe they had in mind all the armored vehicles, including armored personnel carriers and so on, and here again they probably take into account what is available in the troops (and most of the BMP fleets are outdated there) and do not consider the equipment in storage?
    14. -1
      February 15 2020
      ears noodles again
    15. -4
      February 15 2020
      Putin has already made a runoff of promises))))) The budget of the Moscow Region seems to have reduced where the money came from, Zin.
      1. -3
        February 15 2020
        Quote: Lamata
        Putin has already made a runoff of promises))))) The budget of the Moscow Region seems to have reduced where the money came from, Zin.

        Purchases for retirement))))
        1. -8
          February 15 2020
          Mdya, why does a pensioner need a tank? Drive like a Zhvanetsky to a bazaar or a store?
          1. 0
            February 15 2020
            Quote: Lamata
            Mdya, why does a pensioner need a tank? Drive like a Zhvanetsky to a bazaar or a store?

            We will travel !!!!
            This, as I recall, the Veteran went to a meeting in Berlin and filled out a form at customs ..
            questions: Have you been to Germany before?
            Answer: was.
            Question: What type of transport: On the T-34 tank.!
            laughing
            1. +3
              February 15 2020
              It was in the Soviet cinema .. The character of Yevgeny Leonov answered the question whether he was in Germany .. and on what kind of transport he got there .. Leonov and answered: I'm on foot, in the infantry ...
              1. 0
                February 15 2020
                Quote: Dikson
                It was in the Soviet cinema .. The character of Yevgeny Leonov answered the question whether he was in Germany .. and on what kind of transport he got there .. Leonov and answered: I'm on foot, in the infantry ...

                Yes I remember ... soldier
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    16. -8
      February 15 2020
      In general, this is of course very good, But! By 2027 (God forbid) we will have approximately 50% T 72b3 in military units ... this is sadness.

      I thought it would be something like this for 100 pieces of T90m new, a total of 700 pieces, modernization of the old T 90 - 400 pieces, total of T90M - 1100 pieces.

      Armat T 14 - 500 pcs. Total new (T90M and T15) 1600 pieces, while the combat units need about 1900 tanks + armament of the Airborne Forces somewhere 400 pieces. And in the new program after 2027 only Almaty will start riveting, with a gradual replacement and T90M.

      And T 72b3 will be brought to unmanned control by 2027, but this, in principle, can be solved one way or another and now, just 700-900 units will be released.

      Of course, you can still upgrade the T 72b3 by installing a more advanced KAZ and DZ, then this is more or less good.
      All the same, in 7 years, the direction of "swarm of drones" or "loitering ammunition" or missile weapons from helicopters and the same ATGM can take a step into the next generation and this will give very little chances for the guys to survive in T 72b3 tanks.
      In theory, the gun there needs to be changed in order to use new ammunition, and this, accordingly, it is generally necessary to recycle the tower ... I don’t know if this is possible

      Ps
      One thing pleases is that it says -MINIMUM- "By 2027, it is planned to supply the troops with at least 900 tanks of modern modifications."
      1. +8
        February 15 2020
        Quote: Warrior StillTot
        And in the new program after 2027 only Almaty will be riveted, with a gradual replacement and T90M

        Are you sure that the current government will survive until the year 2027?
    17. +9
      February 15 2020
      Quote: Sergey39
      Somehow these tanks with displays of confidence do not inspire.

      As you know, 5 years ago, 2020 Armata tanks were promised by 2300.
      Many (and I, too) thought this was another broken promise.
      We are shamed.
      Tanks will be. And even already have it. Just virtual.
      1. -9
        February 15 2020
        But do not remind who specifically promised? ))))))))
        1. +7
          February 15 2020
          Quote: Lamata
          But do not remind who specifically promised? ))))))))

          The new generation tank on the Armata single combat platform is to enter service in 2015, Interfax-AVN said. Commander in Chief of the Ground Forces Colonel General Vladimir Chirkin.
          https://rg.ru/2012/09/04/tank-site.html
          Nine years ago, when he was still Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, The Ministry of Defense promised: the serial production of Armat will begin in 2015, and by 2020 the army will receive 2300 of these promising vehicles.
          https://vz.ru/economy/2019/1/30/244020.html
          1. -2
            February 15 2020
            and where are Chirkin and Taburetkin?
            1. +4
              February 15 2020
              Quote: Lamata
              and where are Chirkin and Taburetkin?

              Where, where, apparently where are the tanks, you can not write in rhyme.
              1. -2
                February 15 2020
                at the next sinecure, at least a furniture maker.
                1. +6
                  February 15 2020
                  Quote: Lamata
                  at the next sinecure, at least a furniture maker.

                  Rђ RІRѕS, SOMEBODY? sees in him something else.
                  Anatoly Serdyukov heads the board of directors of the aircraft building company Rostvertol. In addition, the ex-minister of defense is a member of the directors of six other large corporations.
                  It became known that Anatoly Eduardovich assumed the duties of secretary of the Partnership of Homeowners in his house in the center of the capital of Russia. And in December of that year, this building showed a debt for utilities in the amount of 1 million rubles.
                  In June 2018, Anatoly Eduardovich received another position: Serdyukov became a member of the Bureau of the Union of Mechanical Engineers of Russia.
                  Are you a furniture maker? laughing
                  1. +6
                    February 15 2020
                    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                    Serdyukov became a member of the Bureau of the Union of Mechanical Engineers of Russia.

                    and has he not yet become a member of the Writers' Union? And the old woman is a member of mmm of this, as his union of artists on artistic whistling?
                    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                    Are you a furniture maker?

                    Now in the lead he is a massage therapist and philanthropist, and also cellists. Do they really say that the cook has merged? what
                    1. +2
                      February 16 2020
                      Quote: Malyuta
                      ? And the old woman is a member of mmm of this, as his union of artists on artistic whistling?

                      Yulia Pokhlebenina is engaged in entrepreneurship, is the only daughter of Viktor Zubkov, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Government. It is known that in 2010 a woman earned 5 times more than her husband, and two years later filed for divorce.
                      In 2018, Andrei Malakhov announced that Anatoly Serdyukov and Evgeny Vasiliev officially became husband and wife. The couple does not comment on this information.

                      Quote: Malyuta
                      Do they really say that the cook has merged?

                      Very muddy story
                      It is known that he sold most of his business; in the USA he is included in the reorganization list.
                      Not confirmed.
                      In Congo, a plane crashed on board of which Prigozhin was.
                      In short, it is encrypted and pops up with a different name and appearance.
          2. +11
            February 15 2020
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            The new generation tank on the Armata single combat platform is to enter service in 2015, Colonel-General Vladimir Chirkin, Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces, told Interfax-AVN.

            We in Syria also won 5 times already.
      2. 0
        February 15 2020
        Quote: honest people
        2020 Armata tanks promised by 2300

        2400. And not Armata but "modern tanks". the article above reports that there are 2000 T72-b3
      3. 0
        February 15 2020
        Who and when promised 2300 valves? MO never talked about this.
    18. -1
      February 15 2020
      the sum of 900 tanks beats “Armata” and T-90M

      Given the fact that there are unresolved problems with the engine, the Armats are unlikely to be included in this top figure. The military demanded to replace the A-85-3A / 12N360 / 2V-12-3A with the Chaika, which they had not yet brought to mind.
      1. -2
        February 15 2020
        The military demanded to replace the A-85-3A / 12N360 / 2V-12-3A with the "Chaika", which they had not yet brought to mind.

        Rave. Nobody required it.
        Topic seagull closed. The tank passes gosy with X-sample 2V-12-3A
        YaMZ spoke about YaMZ-880. But until they bring to mind 780 it will only be in the project
        1. 0
          February 16 2020
          Read more and you will be happy. Look for the link yourself, not small. The dvigun specified by you passes tests, but, I repeat, not everything in it suits. Fuel, oil, etc. consumption
    19. +1
      February 15 2020
      By 2027, it is planned to put at least 900 tanks of modern modifications into the troops. 500 of them will belong to the Armata T-14 model.

      Well, this is a serious purchase .. God forbid that everything is according to plan.
      1. +6
        February 15 2020
        Quote: Divizion
        .. God forbid that everything is according to plan.

        To do this, God must be included in the Constitution.
    20. +2
      February 15 2020
      I don’t understand why modification b3 on t72 is needed. It's just goodbye darling crew. If people are not sorry, then you can send them into battle.
      1. -5
        February 15 2020
        Quote: savment
        I don’t understand why modification b3 on t72 is needed. It's just goodbye darling crew. If people are not sorry, then you can send them into battle.

        Well, how can I say, a video to help you ..

        Break through ..
      2. 0
        February 15 2020
        I don’t understand why modification b3 on t72 is needed

        Would you rather go into battle on the T-72a?
    21. +4
      February 15 2020
      Perhaps they will meze, but I will express my point of view. It is better to place an order for the modernization of one model of the tank, but a large batch, rather than spraying funds on a little bit, a little bit different. As for the T-14, I will express myself even more seditiously. A small batch is needed and its intensive operation in the troops is necessary to identify all bottlenecks and prospects for future modernization.
      1. -2
        February 15 2020
        As for the T-14, I will express myself even more seditiously. A small batch is needed and its intensive operation in the troops is necessary to identify all bottlenecks and prospects for future modernization.

        Right Without checking in a real battle, a large series cannot be launched. How many of them were in the history of these wunderwaffes who merged after the battle. I remember talking with enthusiasm and aspiration about the T-80. And it is silent in front and throws grenades from the rear and does not stall under water. But time passed, it was counted, wept. One engine costs like the T-72, not to mention fuel consumption. And to Javelin, on the drum, that T-72, that T-80, which, I think, and Armata.
        1. -2
          February 15 2020
          Quote: Arzt
          which, I think, is Armata.

          Yes, the armata javelin is on a drum - he won't even reach her, for the "Umbrella" hi
          1. +10
            February 15 2020
            Quote: Albert1988
            Yes, the armata javelin is on a drum - he won't even reach her, for the "Umbrella"

            Sorry, who is on the drum and is there any armata at all?
            1. -3
              February 15 2020
              Quote: Malyuta
              Sorry, who is on the drum

              Well, this is me to the fact that there should be no difference to the javelin - whether or not he can break through the armor of the armata, from what angle, etc. because he simply will not reach this armor.
              Quote: Malyuta
              and is there any armata at all

              Not that you, there is no armata (sarcasm), I kindly provided Mosfilm with three of my plastic models in 1/35 scale (from Zvezda, Takom and Trumpeter), and they animated them and pasted them on the video from the parade (Sarcasm rolls over)
              1. +3
                February 15 2020
                Quote: Albert1988
                because he simply will not reach this armor.

                very optimistic statement. Why then is the tank generally powerful armor? Put the equivalent of 100 millimeters - and enough? After all, KAZ and KZVP will bring down all missiles and grenades !!!

                You see, no system will give a 100% guarantee. Therefore, the protection of the tank is multilevel: passive is camouflage (camouflage, special coatings, the launch of aerosol and special grenades that hide the tank, then active defense (if it’s very simple, it’s KAZ and KZVP), then again passive protection is already armor and blocks DZ, fire extinguishing system, layout solutions that prevent detonation of a missile system or minimize the consequences of it, etc.) Only all of this allows the tank and crew to survive on the battlefield.
                KAZ is a good thing, but not omnipotent. It only increases the chances of the tank to survive, but it is not a panacea.
                1. -3
                  February 16 2020
                  by the way about the BC, maybe you know why a substance with electromagnetic detonation is not used, it seems like the coalition has the opportunity to shoot old ammunition, and new ones with an electronic detonation system ... For as far as I know, when set on fire, it does not detonate, but melts and burns
                2. -2
                  February 16 2020
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  You see, no system will give a 100% guarantee.

                  as shown by the operation of modern KAZ for anti-ship missiles, which are in the same category as javelins, the only way to overcome such a system is to banally knock out all its charges, because the probability of interception there is, if not 100, then 80 percent ...
          2. 0
            February 16 2020
            Yes, the javelin armata on the drum - he won’t even reach her,

            How the javelins fly we saw.
            The question is whether Armata will reach the javelin.
            1. -3
              February 16 2020
              Quote: Arzt
              The question is whether Armata will reach the javelin.

              In Syria, the armatures have nothing to do, aren't our crews putting them in them?
        2. +3
          February 15 2020
          Quote: Arzt
          Without a check in real combat, a large series cannot be launched

          those. Do you need to arrange a war game to check the quality of the tank? So after all, in war, not only and not so much the quality of equipment is important, but rather the training of crews and commanders. But how to cook them without a sufficient number of tanks? Again, to participate in the database and to form some kind of objective opinion, not two or three tanks are required, not even a regiment. There is a paradox in your words - a series is not needed, but a series is needed. How to be ???

          Quote: Arzt
          I remember talking with enthusiasm and aspiration about the T-80. And it is silent in front and throws grenades from the rear and does not stall under water. But time passed, it was counted, wept. One engine costs like the T-72, not to mention fuel consumption

          to understand the shortcomings of the T-80, there was no need to arrange a war. you just had to "drive" the car among the troops

          Why do you think they conduct tests and experimental military operation ???
          1. -3
            February 16 2020
            There is a paradox in your words - a series is not needed, but a series is needed. How to be ???

            Experienced series. 40 pieces. And to Syria.
            1. +1
              February 16 2020
              Quote: Arzt
              Experienced series. 40 pieces

              And what is not 30? Or not 100?

              Quote: Arzt
              And to Syria

              Is this Armata? The newest, secret tank? There is no security there, no rembase either. And you go out the enemy of the people - for some reason you decided to give the tank battles of novya to the adversaries
              1. -1
                February 16 2020
                Is this Armata? The newest, secret tank?

                Well, we are not afraid to send the newest Su-35 there. And it seems like the big commanders said that in Syria we are rolling in the latest weapons.
                Or do you propose to make Armat and hide them in a safe place from the adversary?
                1. 0
                  February 16 2020
                  Quote: Arzt
                  Or do you offer

                  I suggest that you only follow the test procedures established by the standards for this revolutionary machine, no doubt. And I propose to leave the chatter to the newspaper, they are paid money for this. And I don’t offer anything else.
                  1. -1
                    February 16 2020
                    I suggest that you just follow the test set out in the standards.

                    I agree completely. And I do not propose to send a crude tank into battle. But our leaders have already set out to rivet 500 pieces. Each approximately $ 8 million. And then it turns out that it’s still better to make an inhabited tower.
                    1. +1
                      February 16 2020
                      Quote: Arzt
                      our leaders have already set out to rivet 500 pieces

                      Looks like "la-la" from the newspaper fraternity, don't you think?

                      Quote: Arzt
                      And then it turns out that it's still better

                      But understand already - well, this conversation has no subject ... simply due to the lack of real information about the subject of discussion. I can't consider speculations from "lenka.ru" and other defkafiles as such data, sorry ...
                    2. -2
                      February 16 2020
                      Quote: Arzt
                      And I do not propose to send a crude tank into battle. But our leaders have already set out to rivet 500 pieces. Each approximately $ 8 million. And then it turns out that it’s still better to make an inhabited tower

                      Everything has long been clarified - making a manned tower is like planting pilots in American drones ... And the cost there is far from 8 lemons of greenery, there will be a maximum of five heels ...
                      1. -2
                        February 16 2020
                        Everything has long been clarified - making a manned tower is like planting pilots in American drones ...

                        Armata is not a drone yet. So the question of controllability and operational response to the situation from the womb of the tank remains open. Especially at our level of development of electronics and stability of remote modules. It is one thing to sweep through Red Square and another to control fire on monitors in the situation of the Maykop brigade.
                        1. -2
                          February 16 2020
                          Quote: Arzt
                          Armata is not a drone yet.

                          But the meaning is the same))) Example - modern shells will be able to penetrate any armor sooner or later. Example - we break through the armature tower - the charging mechanism and part of the electronics die, the crew is alive. can leave the car and leave, or the car in general can remain on the go and leave by itself with the crew.
                          We break through the tower of Abrams / Leopard / Leccrc - 3 crew members perish and the third a little later ... the curtain ...
                        2. -1
                          February 16 2020
                          Quote: Arzt
                          Especially at our level of development of electronics and stability of remote modules.

                          And, so you are the designer of such systems, do you work in KB? Enlighten me then, how are things with electronics and modules?
                        3. -2
                          February 16 2020
                          Enlighten me then, how are things with electronics and modules?

                          This is normal. We can produce electronic components in small batches.
                          But at the mid-80s. Large integrated circuits.
                          If you want something more modern and tasty, then as always. Come to the exhibition with an Argentinean passport, conclude a contract, and bring it to Russia in complicated roundabout ways.
                        4. 0
                          February 16 2020
                          Quote: Arzt
                          This is normal. We can produce electronic components in small batches.
                          But at the mid-80s. Large integrated circuits.
                          If you want something more modern and tasty, then as always. Come to the exhibition with an Argentinean passport, conclude a contract, and bring it to Russia in complicated roundabout ways.

                          Oh, so you are still a designer, what enterprise do you work for?
                2. -2
                  February 16 2020
                  Quote: Arzt
                  Well, we are not afraid to send the newest Su-35 there.

                  Only now our pilot is sitting in the Su-35, he is flying from our base, covered by our military. But the same T-90s are controlled by Syrian crews and operate as part of the Syrian army! And all the T-90s lost in battle by the Syrians were banally abandoned during the retreat ... draw conclusions ...
                  1. -2
                    February 16 2020
                    In Syria, the armatures have nothing to do, aren't our crews putting them in them?

                    Only now our pilot is sitting in the Su-35, he is flying from our base, covered by our military. But the same T-90s are controlled by Syrian crews and operate as part of the Syrian army!

                    Then I don’t understand how to run tanks in combat conditions.
                    Bring Armata to Syria and put Syrians in them?
                    1. -1
                      February 16 2020
                      Quote: Arzt
                      Bring Armata to Syria and put Syrians in them?

                      And how did they run the T-90? Drove to Syria, put there the Syrians))))
                      Otherwise, we’ll have to drag an entire division of ours there ...
                      1. -2
                        February 16 2020
                        And how did they run the T-90? Drove to Syria, put there the Syrians))))
                        Otherwise, we’ll have to drag an entire division of ours there ...

                        Cool. I imagined the Romanian tank crews driving around the newest secret Tigers. Or the Poles of Anders' army whom Katukov entrusted to test the IS-2.
                        It is interesting that after this comrade Beria did it?
                        1. -1
                          February 16 2020
                          Quote: Arzt
                          Cool. I imagined the Romanian tank crews driving around the newest secret Tigers. Or the Poles of Anders' army whom Katukov entrusted to test the IS-2.
                          It is interesting that after this comrade Beria did it?

                          You will first study the historical situation more closely then and now, otherwise the comparison was ... ingenious ...
                        2. -2
                          February 16 2020
                          You first study the historical situation more closely then and now, otherwise the comparison was ...

                          Not even going to. From the point of view of common sense and international experience, it is nonsense to entrust, as you put it, the newest secret tank to the Syrians for testing in a real battle. Tomorrow, these Syrians will become allies of the Turks or Americans and will merge them with everything they learned.
                          This should be done by our best proven crews, be sure with combat experience, with the participation of machine system developers.
                        3. -2
                          February 16 2020
                          Quote: Arzt
                          Not even going to. From the point of view of common sense and international experience, it is nonsense to entrust, as you put it, the newest secret tank to the Syrians for testing in a real battle.

                          Exactly! Therefore, they will never be allowed to enter Syria in the current situation, because Russia does not need a situation in which the Syrian army once again fled, leaving tanks controlled by Russian crews without cover, or leaving the whole Russian unit alone to confront the militants ...
                          Quote: Arzt
                          This should be done by our best proven crews, be sure with combat experience, with the participation of machine system developers.

                          That is, you propose to expose our fighters without a special need? Considering. that we are already suffering some very sensitive losses in Syria? And at the same time send the developers to the forefront? let the gunpowder sniff ...
                          Valuable advice, I do not argue ... Good. that you DO NOT make such decisions ...
                          And you can test the T-14 and other vehicles based on the Armata platform at the training grounds, and they will still be able to take part in the hostilities.
                        4. -2
                          February 16 2020
                          That is, you propose to expose our fighters without a special need? Considering. that we are already suffering some very sensitive losses in Syria? And at the same time send the developers to the forefront? let the gunpowder sniff ...
                          Valuable advice, I do not argue ... Good. that you DO NOT make such decisions ...

                          I don’t understand. Are you serious or are you trolling?
                          What does it mean to put our fighters under attack? Sooner or later, our fighters will have to sit in a new tank and start fighting on it, including under attack. And of course, not the Syrians, or even the Chinese, should introduce our new technique into battle, what do they generally understand in it? Always and in all armies, the latest models were trusted by the best soldiers, tankmen, pilots, sailors.
                          And representatives of manufacturers at the initial stage actively participate in this, including in combat conditions, because they know best its advantages and disadvantages. So it was in all wars and in all states, read the memoirs.
                          Also now, go not to the Uralvagozavod website, read the news, how they are awarded for it.

                          "Vasily Odinokov has been working at Uralvagonzavod since 1977. By the nature of his work, the test driver of the assembly shop been in hot spots, went on long business trips to India, took part in the parade dedicated to the 70th anniversary of the Great Victory in Moscow. "

                          They will lead Almaty at the Victory Parade.
                          “Preparations for the parade lasted several months. Training began in March at the Alabino training ground, then the cars were relocated to Nizhniye Mnevniki, from where they drove out for rehearsals. test drivers of Uralvagonzavod. They will be the ones who will drive the Armata T-14 tanks during the Parade."

                          This technique is not yet trusted even by regular MO drivers, what the Syrians are ....
                        5. -1
                          February 16 2020
                          Quote: Arzt
                          I don’t understand. Are you serious or are you trolling?
                          What does it mean to put our fighters under attack?

                          That also means sending them into a real battle without full necessity. Moreover, the T-14 in Syria will only attract too much attention. It is possible that when the T-14 passes all the tests and the broads are stronger in Syria, ours will send there a limited contingent of such vehicles for combat testing, but only in a situation where nothing can go wrong ...

                          Quote: Arzt
                          "Vasily Odinokov has been working at Uralvagonzavod since 1977. By the nature of his work, the test driver of the assembly shop has been to hot spots, went on long business trips to India, took part in a parade dedicated to the 70th anniversary of the Great Victory in Moscow."


                          And you want to risk such a person! You yourself claim that the T-14 machine is untested and unreliable? What if she let you down?
                          So while we are waiting for the end of all field tests and experimental military operation, and then we can go to Syria - there the conflict will smolder for a long time, alas ...
              2. -1
                February 16 2020
                And what is not 30? Or not 100?

                The smallest tactical unit is a tank battalion + replacement tanks for analysis.
                1. +1
                  February 16 2020
                  Quote: Arzt
                  Smallest tactical unit - tank battalion + replacement tanks for analysis

                  Are you a journalist? I wrote there already:

                  Quote: SaltY
                  And I propose to leave the chatter to the newspaper, they are paid money for it
          2. -3
            February 16 2020
            to understand the shortcomings of the T-80, there was no need to arrange a war. you just had to "drive" the car among the troops

            This is with a normal, sane approach.
            And at our place, it took 10 tanks to drive it over 000 years.
      2. +3
        February 15 2020
        Quote: Sergey985
        A small batch is needed and its intensive operation in the troops is necessary to identify all bottlenecks and prospects for modernization

        this is called military operation. All tanks pass through this. In the parts where the controlled machines are operated, there are representatives of the manufacturing plant and the head design bureau, as well as representatives of allied
    22. +5
      February 15 2020
      By 2027, it is planned to put up to a thousand (at least 900) modern tanks in the troops. 500 of them will belong to the T-14 Armata model
      as they say, "I do not believe". How many times have our deadlines been missed? I remember that not so long ago (in 2015) they promised to deliver 50 brand new Tu-160M2M to the Russian Aerospace Forces, by 2023. Now there are three years left - and in these three years you need to build 50 cars? Unrealistic. Even the Union built these missile carriers 2 pieces a year. Those. the program has already failed.
      The authorities will not get used to promising us to feed us ...
      1. +7
        February 15 2020
        Quote: Gregory_45
        Those. the program has already failed. Promises to feed us to the authorities are not used to ...

        we’ll catch up with and overtake Portugal, the 2020 program, 25 millions of skilled jobs and places, 2,5 thousand dollars of income for each working soul, a merciless fight against corruption, and so there are different little things in Almaty, exploration of moons and mars and winged swings .. ..
      2. 0
        February 16 2020
        Quote: Gregory_45
        I remember that not so long ago (in 2015) they promised to deliver 50 brand new Tu-160M2M to the Russian Aerospace Forces, until 2023

        Exactly? In the 15th, I remember, just the production of the center section beam for him began to be restored. Somehow it doesn't beat from "50 to 23 years." ..
        1. 0
          February 16 2020
          Quote: SaltY
          Right?

          The decision to resume production of the Tu-160 aircraft was made by the Ministry of Defense in 2015. According to the plans of the department, by 2023 the Russian Aerospace Forces should receive 50 modernized Tu-160s.
          .

          This was reported by Russkaya Gazeta, RT and other media
          1. +2
            February 16 2020
            Quote: Gregory_45
            This was reported by Russkaya Gazeta, RT and other media

            I have no more questions. Indeed, "the media" is "our everything" ...
            1. +1
              February 16 2020
              Quote: SaltY
              Indeed, "the media" is "our everything" ...

              alas, but personally failed to communicate with the Air Force Commander-in-Chief ..
              1. +2
                February 16 2020
                Quote: Gregory_45
                alas but

                Do you recall when you announced the completion of the restoration of equipment for work "on titanium"? Much has been said and written about this at one time. Then you just need to count at least 20 years ahead to get real production time 50 machines.

                And what the "media" wrote there - well, journalists now generally do not care what they write, they are paid for "running meters".
                1. -2
                  February 16 2020
                  Why are you explaining this to me? I understood perfectly well even then that the term was unreal from the word at all. However, all the media trumpeted “let's do, catch up and overtake”, and many believed them. And there were no denials or adjustments from officials - either they believed in it too, or ... it was beneficial for them that the people believed in that
                  1. 0
                    February 16 2020
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    either they also believed in it, or ... it was beneficial for them that the people believed in that

                    ... or whether they didn’t give a damn what our mass media, which were so dead of permissiveness, were singing there. My opinion is that it was about that.
                    1. -2
                      February 16 2020
                      Quote: SaltY
                      or whether they didn’t give a damn what our mass media, which were so awesome from permissiveness, were singing there

                      hardly. The example of the Tu-160 is not the only one. Remember how many official statements there were on the terms for adopting products on the topics of Armata and PAK FA ??? And these examples, unfortunately, are not the only ones. You can add some topics to the piggy bank on the aviation industry (transporters), engine building (aircraft and ships), the fleet (which are just some corvettes and airborne defense systems), and also on anti-aircraft systems (that S-400, that Poliment-Redoubt).
                      1. -3
                        February 16 2020
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        Remember how many official statements there were on the terms for adopting products on the topics of Armata and PAK FA ???

                        And how many of these applications were actually made by people who make such decisions? And not by manufacturers who are interested in pushing their products or by rappers like Rogozin?
                        1. 0
                          February 16 2020
                          Quote: Albert1988
                          And how many of these applications were actually made by people who make such decisions?

                          Yes, many who spoke out. With reference to the Su-57, for example - Deputy Minister of Defense Borisov and Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force Bondarev. Or shouldn't they know, in your opinion?
                          As for the "talkers", such a reputation must be earned. Or the same Rogozin came and said: "I'm a talker!" ??? No, they believed him at first, even the most punished Urrya-patriots cited his words as arguments in discussions. They are not born a trepidator, they become one.

                          Now the most important thing. What was my comment "I do not believe". Because none of our recent defense programs were completed on time and were not fully implemented. So as not to be a gibberish, and examples are given on the basis of which I have such an opinion. I’m not a Toll, not an all-over, but also not an urrya patriot, I try to look at things soberly. I would be glad to be mistaken in my assessments of what is happening in our military-industrial complex, but something suggests that I was not mistaken ...
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                          February 16 2020
                          Quote: Gregory_45
                          With reference to the Su-57, for example - Deputy Minister of Defense Borisov and Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force Bondarev.

                          And in what way did they speak about it? You need an exact context, otherwise the citizen could say something like "we will take into service in such and such a year if we complete all tests by that time", etc. and then journalists everywhere trumpeted that in such and such a year they would be adopted, period.
                          Quote: Gregory_45
                          Yes, because not one of our last defense programs was completed on time and was not fully implemented.

                          And not only defense ones - there’s quite a civilian program for building new icebreakers too. The reason for this is simply the state of our industry - for the same icebreakers, subcontractors fail, someone drags out, someone sends a marriage, etc. Industrial ties were cut off for almost 20 years, and now they are sewn together alive again ...
                          Quote: Gregory_45
                          I’m not a toll, not an all-propagator, but not an urry patriot, I try to look at things soberly.

                          I noticed this and never suspected you of anything like that)))
                          Quote: Gregory_45
                          I would be glad to be mistaken in my assessments of what is happening in our military-industrial complex, but something tells me that I was not mistaken ...

                          As my dad says, he worked at the defense plant for 45 years - in order to know what is being done in the defense industry, you need to work in it. It is full of problems, but the potential is also there, and it is huge, and the money, by the way, flowed there and is very good. Problems are still personnel and some types of equipment. whose production was covered after the death of the Union. But if there is a goal to do something, then our defense industry is still quite capable of doing it at a good level.
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      February 15 2020
      great news
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      February 16 2020
      Quote: Albert1988
      Quote: Malyuta
      Sorry, who is on the drum

      Well, this is me to the fact that there should be no difference to the javelin - whether or not he can break through the armor of the armata, from what angle, etc. because he simply will not reach this armor.
      Quote: Malyuta
      and is there any armata at all

      Not that you, there is no armata (sarcasm), I kindly provided Mosfilm with three of my plastic models in 1/35 scale (from Zvezda, Takom and Trumpeter), and they animated them and pasted them on the video from the parade (Sarcasm rolls over)

      Urya patriotism dries the brain
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        February 16 2020
        Quote: honest people
        Urya patriotism dries the brain

        I am sorry for you! stop being a jingoistic patriot and the brain will again be filled with life-giving moisture! wink
    25. -3
      February 16 2020
      not long ago there was an article where it was said that the "armata" project faced a number of problems, which if they do not put an end to it, then at least complicate the prospects of this project. And in this article they are already going to order them again, and there is no mention of technical problems at all.

      Which article is delusional ?! or you need to add them up and get averaged information, as in the joke about "walking on average"
      1. -2
        February 16 2020
        Quote: Voletsky
        Which article is nonsense ?!

        Which of the written on the fence is nonsense, did you mean to say that? The topic is SECRET, no one will ever tell us how things really are and how much, what and when they will buy or not! But journalists will still suck out nonsense from a finger and write it on their toilet paper ...
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      February 16 2020
      Quote: Albert1988
      Quote: Voletsky
      Which article is nonsense ?!

      Which of the written on the fence is nonsense, did you mean to say that? The topic is SECRET, no one will ever tell us how things really are and how much, what and when they will buy or not! But journalists will still suck out nonsense from a finger and write it on their toilet paper ...

      How much for comment in Lahti and is there a surcharge for a secret?
      1. -2
        February 16 2020
        Quote: Grading
        How much for comment in Lahti and is there a surcharge for a secret?

        You will take the trouble to first explain what a "lakhta" is and what secret do they pay extra for? Which is put on the car? Yes - the dealer asks for a surcharge for it laughing And if that secret, which is in the defense industry, then they do not pay extra for it, for it the painting is taken wink
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        February 16 2020
        Of course there is, but do you have fax or telephone rates?!;)
        And do they pay extra for openly provocative and stupid questions like "disclosing secrets on the forum"? I just saw a lot of fools and you are still in favor
    27. -2
      February 16 2020
      Quote: Albert1988
      Quote: Voletsky
      Which article is nonsense ?!

      Which of the written on the fence is nonsense, did you mean to say that? The topic is SECRET, no one will ever tell us how things really are and how much, what and when they will buy or not! But journalists will still suck out nonsense from a finger and write it on their toilet paper ...


      Yes, the question was by and large a rhetorical one, because we all understand that most of the articles were written by scumbags who, from one factual sentence, in fact, inflate delirium filled with either their Wishlist or their fears and sometimes outright delirium. Which is happily picked up by the exalted clowns, and those with shouts of "urya urya" pick up this shitty servant and moonlight all who disagree with the opinion for nothing.

      and what in the end ?! a vague image of an article ... where nothing is plainly said, and you need to think out everything yourself. Well, with the same success, I can write the same heresy "Commander-in-Chief, expressed an understanding that the national armed forces need to be updated, with the subsequent introduction of new technologies into the existing organizational orders of our army; and also showed interest in new technologies based on the project t-14, not forgetting about the prospects of the t-90M project "and what is clear here !?
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        February 16 2020
        Quote: Voletsky
        Yes, the question was by and large a rhetorical one, because we all understand that most of the articles were written by scumbags who, from one factual sentence, in fact, inflate delirium filled with either their Wishlist or their fears and sometimes outright delirium. Which is happily picked up by the exalted clowns, and those with shouts of "urya urya" pick up this shitty servant and moonlight all who disagree with the opinion for nothing.

        That is the problem. that unverified and sometimes knowingly unverified information is accepted by many on faith ...
        Quote: Voletsky
        The Commander-in-Chief, expressed his understanding that the national armed forces need to be updated, with the subsequent introduction of new technologies into the existing organizational orders of our army; and also showed interest in the field technologies based on the t-14 project, not forgetting about the prospects of the t-90M project "and what is clear here !?

        The point is that the army wants to buy about 7 new tanks - T-1000AM and T-90 over the next 14 years, and in what proportion - this is a matter of circumstances ...

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