If the Soviet legacy runs out: problems of Russian space programs


At one time, the Soviet Union was the main space power. Today, Russia still holds the position of one of the world leaders in space exploration, primarily due to the Soviet legacy. But will our country succeed in actively exploring outer space in the future - if the USSR’s space legacy runs out?


During the week, it became known that Roscosmos will present to the government the program “Space Activities of Russia”, designed for the next decade until 2030 and providing for the implementation of a number of ambitious space projects. Among them are the design and creation of a super-heavy carrier rocket, flights to the moon, the Sphere project.

When the Russian "Eagle" will fly into space


The ambitious plans of the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin, of course, look beautiful, but this does not mean that they will be realized, especially in the time frames that are now announced in the press. Currently, the Energia rocket and space corporation is working on the creation of both a superheavy launch vehicle and a new manned spacecraft with the promising name Eagle. But will the Eagle fly into space?

Nikolai Sevastyanov, the head of the corporation, in an interview with TASS announced the approximate time of a manned flight - 2028. Wait another eight years. During this time, RSC Energia will have to build a superheavy class rocket complex, which will include a superheavy class rocket itself and ground infrastructure at the Vostochny spaceport. So far, in 2019, Energy has developed only a preliminary design for a missile system.

To achieve the deadlines, money is needed. Big money. But generous financing is not what modern Russia can brag about, although money for the space industry, in contrast to the "dashing nineties," is still allocated considerable.

Sevastyanov himself in an interview admitted that Energia has to attract additional financial resources, even a financial recovery program has been developed. The corporation hopes that it is the implementation of the space program that will have a therapeutic effect and will improve the financial position of Energia. Otherwise, her projects will be in jeopardy.

By the way, in the spring of 2019, President Vladimir Putin himself already complained at a meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation about problems in the rocket and space industry related to the timing of the tasks, as well as the fact that Russian satellite communication systems are inferior to competitors, and ground-based infrastructure for space exploration develops extremely slowly. But words are words, and the situation remains the same.

No money to study the sun yet


Another very promising and necessary project is in the field of studying the Sun. While Russia does not have satellites that can study the Sun, there is only the Intergeliozond project, which is considered unique not only in Russia but also in the world. As part of this project, the creation of 2 spacecraft for the study of the Sun is provided.

According to the Federal Space Program of the Russian Federation, by 2025 it was planned to launch the first of 2 spacecraft of the Interheliosonde project. However, then the deadlines were postponed to 2026, and then it was decided to abandon the exact deadlines altogether.

The main problem with the study of the Sun is still the same - chronic underfunding of research. Initially, experts estimated the cost of the Interhelioprobe project at 20 billion rubles, but due to the constant increase in prices for materials and equipment, this amount has now increased significantly. And the developers do not have such money yet.

Space leadership is a matter of honor for Russia


The saddest thing is that due to underfunding, the most invaluable resource is lost - time. Space technologies are developing rapidly, and the number of competitors in space exploration is only growing over the years. While the Russian space industry is looking for money for the implementation of various projects, the United States and other countries are developing their own launch vehicles, satellites, and planning no less ambitious projects that could well be carried out earlier than Russian ones.

The Soviet Union, which left a unique space industry as a legacy to modern Russia (industry, science, the system of education and training of specialists, personnel), possessed much greater resources - financial, technological and intellectual.

But the Soviet legacy is the foundation, but the superstructure must be done already modern, to keep up with the times. Otherwise, the endless exploitation of the Soviet backlog will lead to the fact that sooner or later Russia will lose the battle for space not only to the USA or China, but also to some Japan with South Korea and Israel.

Maintaining the status of a pioneer country and a leader in space exploration for Russia is not only a matter of honor, national prestige, but also ensuring its own national security, economic, scientific and technological development. Only if the government wants to spend such an impressive amount of money on space programs, and not on the maintenance of a large bureaucracy and support for state-owned corporations in the commodity sector? That's the question.
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  1. Snail N9 15 February 2020 09: 44 New
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    "On clothes and stretch legs" is such a saying. Modern Russia cannot compete in the space industry with the leading powers in it, and this is not necessary. Prestige is the pursuit of prestige, in modern conditions, when the sex of Russia is poor by the standards of the “developed countries”, the business is harmful and even dangerous because it not only does not increase pride in the country and its achievements, but already provokes a native perception and even anger, people barely making ends meet.
    1. Ilya-spb 15 February 2020 09: 56 New
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      Peter Alekseevich, in view of dire necessity, melted the church bells into cannons.

      The Bolsheviks sold paintings and valuables inherited from the tsars for speedy industrialization.

      And what would it be to sell for the rise and development of the space industry?

      Maybe Pugachev with Galkin?))))
      1. knn54 15 February 2020 10: 30 New
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        The trouble is that the Soviet legacy does not work:
        - over the years, the run-in upper stage "Breeze" could not put the latest satellite into orbit;
        -An accident of the RELIABLE Soyuz rocket. It is good that there was a "truck".
        And in the words of Jerzy Lez, can it be called progress when the good old replaces the bad new ???
        I won’t be surprised if Rogozin and Co. want to privatize GLONASS,
      2. astepanov 15 February 2020 12: 21 New
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        Quote: Ilya-spb
        And what would it be to sell for the rise and development of the space industry?

        Maybe Pugachev with Galkin?))))
        Pugacheva and Galkin, no matter how they relate to them, do not have the potential for theft. We provide their main income with you, and voluntarily. But the government does not want to stop the export of capital abroad and the activities of those who roof guys like Colonel Zakharchenko, just as stubbornly does not want to introduce tax progression. If we add here that a significant share in power structures at all levels is made up of gentlemen with foreign passports, then the reasons for the general stagnation become clear. The strangest thing is that you, gentlemen of the readers, consider the dominance of foreigners in power to be the norm: it was worth mentioning how the minuses rained down, and without comment.
        The article is not bad, but the headline let us down: the word "if" in it is clearly superfluous.
      3. NF68 15 February 2020 15: 29 New
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        Quote: Ilya-spb
        Peter Alekseevich, in view of dire necessity, melted the church bells into cannons.

        The Bolsheviks sold paintings and valuables inherited from the tsars for speedy industrialization.

        And what would it be to sell for the rise and development of the space industry?

        Maybe Pugachev with Galkin?))))


        It is better to sell to the Americans the red Tolya Chubais. It may be at least somehow good from this Russia will be.
      4. Alf
        Alf 15 February 2020 20: 29 New
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        Quote: Ilya-spb
        Maybe Pugachev with Galkin?

        Something tells me that they will give a lot of money. Just to not take.
    2. mark2 15 February 2020 09: 56 New
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      Or maybe people with ends not boiling down try to work?
      Enough for some ephemeral people to make footnotes. Are you getting rid of kots? It can be seen that no. Or are you my friend liberal? It is very much like talking about pensioners and the poor.
      1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 10: 01 New
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        "Or maybe people who do not come together can try to work?" "What, start with yourself? And where do you sign up for astronauts? Or just tighten your belts?"
        1. mark2 15 February 2020 11: 42 New
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          It is to start with oneself. It’s easier to wait for Putin to come to everyone and increase his salary, donate an apartment, improve his health, etc.
          Whiners, why don’t you try to offer something. Is it difficult, is it not that education, or has it already worked out? Nothing to offer, then be silent. You’ll seem smarter. You, the whiners, are too lazy to even fight for their rights.
          1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 11: 52 New
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            Yes, it’s because of me that vile rockets don’t fly and I had to increase my retirement age ... And I also take plants for scrap at night and sell them to China .. oh yes it’s not economical to put out the taiga because of me ..
            1. mark2 15 February 2020 12: 21 New
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              Fly rockets fly. And without you or with you, they will continue to fly. Only the one who does nothing is not mistaken. Not the USSR made today's missiles. Those unions that the USSR did were now over by Russian unions and they fly and will fly. Pensions increased, yes. Why did the citizens of Russia sit silently? Or the World Cup, the entire operating system of the brain was filled.
              Someone in China disassembles and sells. And what to do? The state has to think about whiners. You need to feed them too. Need money. So people are sitting at minimal jobs with minimal salaries. Factories do not need to be built. Whiners will not work there. Their level of education can only be criticized.
              Taiga is on fire. And Australia is on fire. Both California burns and Europe periodically. They themselves are to blame.
              And why not everyone who is ecologically concerned about joining the Ministry of Emergencies and not taking a direct part in the extinguishing? No, this cannot be. Like, I pay a miserable 13℅ from my miserable 20-30 thousand and I want everyone to provide me with them and that's it. So? So.
              In short, until you yourself begin to do more than you need for a minimum comfortable level, everything will be as it is. And if you still join with your grandchildren, it will become even worse. I'm talking about whiners if that.
              1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 12: 24 New
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                Quote: mark2
                And why not everyone who is ecologically concerned about joining the Ministry of Emergencies and not taking a direct part in the extinguishing?

                So why didn’t they put out the taiga? Or do not care about ecology?
                1. mark2 15 February 2020 12: 27 New
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                  Are you asking me a question? Why didn’t the citizens ask the responsible persons? Why didn’t you ask them?
                  Yes, because everyone does not care. Everyone has a hut on the edge.
                  1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 12: 29 New
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                    Yes, yes, why didn’t you ask the responsible persons? Do you care? What do you care about ecology?
                    1. mark2 15 February 2020 15: 35 New
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                      . What do you care about ecology?

                      Ага.
                      1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 16: 59 New
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                        Well, because of your disregard, the whole country suffers ...
                      2. mark2 15 February 2020 17: 41 New
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                        And because of yours too.
                      3. mat-vey 15 February 2020 17: 42 New
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                        And what am I? I signed up for astronauts, pulled a belt, I worry about Ecology ...
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        2. ccsr 15 February 2020 16: 55 New
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          Quote: mark2
          I'm talking about whiners if that.

          You rightly noted the point - everyone is already so tired of "suffering", and the ratings of the presidential election suggest otherwise. Paradox or again refer to our mysterious soul?
          1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 17: 00 New
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            Quote: ccsr
            Paradox or again refer to our mysterious soul?

            And if you refer to Churov?
            1. ccsr 15 February 2020 17: 26 New
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              Quote: mat-vey
              And if you refer to Churov?

              Not a ride - you can’t draw so much.
              1. mat-vey 15 February 2020 17: 29 New
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                Not a ride - you can’t draw so much.

                And who except “his department” knows the true meanings, although most likely they do not know ...
                1. ccsr 15 February 2020 18: 22 New
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                  Quote: mat-vey
                  And who except “his department” knows the true meanings, although most likely they do not know ...

                  They know, or do you think that analysts of Western intelligence agencies are not able to evaluate Putin’s genuine rating? I recall a funny episode from the past when the Americans investigated the shit from our embassy sewer, when the secretary general was there to determine what he was sick with and how this could affect the outcome of the upcoming talks. And now in the age of high technology, they are very well tracking our lives - even on sites such as VO.
                2. mat-vey 15 February 2020 18: 26 New
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                  Well, "+" "-" perhaps yes. ))) Moreover, the material base of them hoo ..
            2. Alf
              Alf 15 February 2020 20: 32 New
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              Quote: ccsr
              Quote: mat-vey
              And if you refer to Churov?

              Not a ride - you can’t draw so much.

              146% rolled.
              1. mat-vey 16 February 2020 07: 13 New
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                This is just the question of what the elections decide ... Although the Churovsky counting “rolls”, it raises the temperature and pressure in the boiler.
              2. Alf
                Alf 16 February 2020 21: 23 New
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                Quote: mat-vey
                but it raises the temperature and pressure in the boiler.

                And so that the temperature and pressure do not rise, Mishustin appointed an increase of 100% to the "fighters" of the National Guard, who will "participate" in the rallies.
              3. mat-vey 17 February 2020 05: 39 New
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                Quote: Alf
                Quote: mat-vey
                but it raises the temperature and pressure in the boiler.

                And so that the temperature and pressure do not rise, Mishustin appointed an increase of 100% to the "fighters" of the National Guard, who will "participate" in the rallies.

                It’s not due to pressure, it’s a lock nut on the valve cover ...
  2. Octopus 15 February 2020 21: 50 New
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    Quote: mark2
    Like, I pay a miserable 13℅ from my miserable 20-30 thousand and I want everyone to provide me with them and that's it. So? So.

    Some professional terpils have appeared recently on the forums. Type the state owes you nothing - the voice of the people.

    1. I do not pay 13%. I pay direct taxes third from the payroll of the employer. The fact that most of this amount is drawn up not as my taxes, but as taxes on the employer does not change things.
    2. In addition to direct taxes, I pay indirect taxes. VAT, customs payments, excise taxes - tax from me as a buyer, corporate income tax - tax from me as an end user. I’ll tell you more, I, as a consumer, pay for all the inconceivable crap that the drug addict-legislator invented in the field of regulation, all these endless requirements of Rostekhnadzor, the Ministry of Emergencies, the Russian Guard, tax, etc.
    3. I am a people, sovereign of Russia. This I collect mineral extraction tax and export duties. Putin and Sechin have exactly the same rights to these payments as I do. One hundred millionth.

    So.

    1. Where can I find out how my money is being spent? Where, for a start, to read the federal budget?
    2. How are my interests taken into account when distributing this money? Here, far from going, Marat Shakirzyanovich Khusnullin, until recently, deputy Sobyanin for construction. Did I instruct him to shift the borders from summer to winter for my money? Where did he come from, in his own words?
    1. mark2 15 February 2020 22: 43 New
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      Where can I find out how my money is being spent? Where, for a start, to read the federal budget?

      All information of a similar content regarding the draft budget, amendments to the federal budget, implementation of the federal budget this year and the like are regularly posted and updated on the website of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation: www.minfin.ru
      2. How are my interests taken into account when distributing this money? Here, far from going, Marat Shakirzyanovich Khusnullin, until recently, deputy Sobyanin for construction. Did I instruct him to shift the borders from summer to winter for my money? Where did he come from, in his own words?


      Well, here you are, dear sovereign, and who endured the answer. You don’t know where, you cannot demand, at the same time you are offered to come to rallies “against” or “for” every year, but you do not come. so ... not sovereign, but electoral mass.
      1. Octopus 15 February 2020 23: 01 New
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        Quote: mark2
        www.minfin.ru

        ))
        https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/aktsii/rossiya-obognala-mir-po-dole-sekretnykh-raskhodov-byudzheta-1028643296
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        here you are, dear sovereign, and the answer is who endured

        )))
        Exactly. But, you see, for slaves your position is "work, blacks!" doesn't look reasonable. The slave has slightly different KPIs and the structure of the compensation package.
        Quote: mark2
        come to rallies “against” or “for” every year, but you don’t come

        )))
        I have slightly different views on efficiency. However - and this is the death of Russia - reasonable measures from the point of view of a civil position are a disaster at the level of personal life strategy and vice versa. Simply put, a Russian person has a choice between "being a citizen and sitting down" and "stealing and dumping".

        The solution is obvious.
    2. ccsr 16 February 2020 12: 33 New
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      Like, the state owes you nothing - the voice of the people.

      Naturally, this is the voice of the people, because everyone does not care, and you personally will practically do nothing to get an answer to your questions - well, at least admit it to yourself. And the clave will withstand everything, knock harder, maybe the rebellious itch will pass faster - it's not against the power to go, at least as Limonov or Kvachkov did ...
      1. Octopus 16 February 2020 13: 09 New
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        it’s not against the authorities to go, at least as Limonov or Kvachkov did ...

        Well, Limonov went very far against the authorities. And Kvachkov yes, a good example.
  • nickname7 15 February 2020 14: 16 New
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    It’s up to you to start with yourself. It’s easier to wait for Putin to come to everyone and increase his salary, donate an apartment, improve his health, etc.

    Of course, the president cannot insert glass in the entrance. But for example, the state (USA) helped Boeing to crush the competitor, it gave the company markets, additional workshops were built, hundreds of thousands of engineers and workers were recruited, which in turn, having large salaries, contained a huge cluster of services (under a million workers) from plumbers, painters to dog hairdressers.
    The task of the state is to capture foreign markets, protect its markets, conclude agreements with other countries on favorable terms, for itself. This will provide opportunities for business and citizens to fulfill their potential. Poland itself was able to beat out excellent conditions and quotas, so it flourishes, unlike Russia, which joined the WTO on worse conditions than Poland. Moreover, the conditions for interaction between the Russian Federation and the West remind India of the times of colonialism ...
    Whiners, why don’t you try to offer something

    Try to organize a minifirm for repairing washing machines somewhere in the countryside, it won’t work out, the population simply doesn’t have money for such stupid things. But abroad, where the population has a lot of money, such a company can be organized.
    1. mark2 15 February 2020 15: 33 New
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      . The task of the state is to seize foreign markets, protect its markets,

      OK. And the flows and Syria is not that for you? The treaties of the blue states on similar cooperation
      then?
      The state is gaining markets for you. Tell that Sechin and Miller? So thousands work for them, from painters to engineers, and not only in Gazprom but also in related industries.
      Yes, Boeing has an owner and he also has a name and he is also affiliated and friends with the authorities. And he, horror, is also an oligarch.

      . Poland was able to beat out excellent conditions and quotas for itself, so it flourishes, unlike Russia,


      They are not given quotas for free. Sooner or later they will have to pay.
      And they do not flourish as you think. Lithuania is on the same quotas and does not bloom very much.

      . Try to organize a minifirm for repairing washing machines somewhere in the countryside, it won’t work out, the population simply doesn’t have money for such stupid things.


      That is the dream of a freebie? Money in the morning in the evening chairs? If you, the villagers, give money to your pocket, you simply convert it into currency and spend it abroad, because someone, anyone, but not yourself, has not organized it like in Europe. And only one out of thousands to invest in the future will be able to achieve success, and then they will call him an oligarch behind his eyes, and with him stand on wheels and smile.
      Once again, no one will change your life until you yourself make an effort in this direction.
      There are plenty of examples and you discuss them here daily and watch on TV.
      They also started with a minimum.
      The same initial as it was zero, so it remained, but now with the money.
      1. Fan-fan 15 February 2020 20: 12 New
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        This mark2 is the most primitive and nearby troll. The defenders of power have a favorite slogan - they must work. But they make ordinary people work, but they don’t want and do not understand the need for normal work from the authorities, and that only organizational measures can significantly improve people's lives. They do not understand or are simply silent about the fact that the authorities must create such conditions in the country so that normal work is adequately paid. And people don’t want to “hunch over a penny”.
        Why in Germany a simple seller in a store receives 2500 euros per month, and a school teacher - 3600 euros? This is 245000 rubles. Why?
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          Alf 15 February 2020 20: 35 New
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          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Why in Germany a simple seller in a store receives 2500 euros per month, and a school teacher - 3600 euros? This is 245000 rubles. Why?

          Do you know what is happening in Ukraine? And in Syria? The next question .. laughing
          1. Malyuta 15 February 2020 22: 20 New
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            Quote: Alf
            Do you know what is happening in Ukraine? And in Syria? The next question ..

            There are two more questions:
            Do you want like in Paris?
            Do you like a Christmas tree? repeat
        2. mark2 15 February 2020 22: 29 New
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          But they make ordinary people work, but they don’t want and do not understand that the authorities do not want to work normally, that only organizational measures can significantly improve people's lives


          Yes, and you do not want good money. Chatter it all.
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            Well, the labels have already started to go ... Mr. troll talks about chatter - you are by no means a relative of Abalkin
        3. ccsr 16 February 2020 12: 38 New
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          And people don’t want to “hunch over a penny”.
          Why in Germany a simple seller in a store receives 2500 euros per month, and a school teacher - 3600 euros?

          Well, go to Germany, who holds you? If you yourself cannot earn 245 thousand rubles a month in Russia, then why did you get the idea that the state is obligated to appoint such a salary? By the way, it doesn’t surprise you that for some reason many former Soviet citizens from other republics want to work in Russia instead of going to Germany, since it’s easy to cut grandmothers there?
      2. Alf
        Alf 15 February 2020 20: 34 New
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        If you, the villagers, give money to your pocket, you simply convert it into currency and spend it abroad,

        Judge by yourself?
        1. mark2 15 February 2020 22: 47 New
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          Of course on my own. I live in this country.
  • Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 15 February 2020 23: 37 New
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    why don’t you try to offer something


    So Sveta Peskova and Igor Chaika have already suggested everything, the mouth does not open.
    1. ccsr 16 February 2020 12: 41 New
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      Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
      So Sveta Peskova and Igor Chaika have already suggested everything, the mouth does not open.

      So you yourself dreamed of living under capitalism - so get a new tribe of capitalists. For what they fought, then get and do not put pressure on pity, Moscow does not believe in tears.
    2. Alf
      Alf 16 February 2020 21: 27 New
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      Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
      why don’t you try to offer something


      So Sveta Peskova and Igor Chaika have already suggested everything, the mouth does not open.

  • Malyuta 15 February 2020 11: 47 New
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    Or maybe people with ends not boiling down try to work?
    Enough for some ephemeral people to make footnotes. Are you getting rid of kots? It can be seen that no. Or are you my friend liberal? It is very much like talking about pensioners and the poor.

    And you are an ordinary Troll with an old training manual.
    1. mark2 15 February 2020 12: 24 New
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      Your opinion was very interesting to us. Hold on.
    2. Machito 15 February 2020 12: 27 New
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      The success of Rogozmos is visible only on paper. And this is not at all surprising, because the journalist directs Roscosmos. Roscosmos will achieve a breakthrough in technology when they put at the head a writer - a science fiction writer. Here it will unfold in all its breadth and power and swell us, as spacecraft plow the Bolshoi Theater.
      The fish goes out from the head (manual) to the tail (engineers and workers).
      Why spend money on space? Better to spend on Mosfilm. People like science fiction films about space.
      1. Malyuta 15 February 2020 18: 49 New
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        People like science fiction films about space.

        There is also a cartoon about missiles and swings and Rosstat, which will calculate all this.
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  • kjhg 15 February 2020 09: 45 New
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    Soviet cosmonautics is not a foundation, but a whole finished residential complex with all the buildings. It is only necessary to add new buildings to this and make repairs in the old ones. But even the current nouveau riche cannot do this. Everything collapses, becomes worthless.
    1. nickname7 15 February 2020 14: 23 New
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      Soviet cosmonautics is not a foundation, but a whole ready-made residential complex

      Cosmonautics cannot exist by itself, in a vacuum, astronautics is not an integral part of the country's industry, technology and economy. So with this industry itself is a big problem, here is the "buried dog."
      In order to preserve and increase the Soviet space program, we need reindustrialization country.
    2. Malyuta 15 February 2020 22: 27 New
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      Quote: kjhg
      It is only necessary to add new buildings to this and make repairs in the old ones. But even the current nouveau riche cannot do this. Everything collapses, becomes worthless.

      Are you sure that the disposal of the country is not the main task of those in power?
  • Alexga 15 February 2020 09: 45 New
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    The trouble is that space exploration has shifted from commercial to scientific. And this may lead to the closure of the industry. Individuals will appear in the upper echelons of power who will say that why do we need something that is not profitable now.
    1. bessmertniy 15 February 2020 09: 57 New
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      There are red ones negative who want to privatize our space industry. Then it’s generally possible to put a cross on it ..
      1. Alexga 15 February 2020 10: 00 New
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        At the moment, it seems that from the space sphere, it is of interest to cut budget money during the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome. You don’t even have to spend money on creating a rocket. request
        1. bessmertniy 15 February 2020 10: 04 New
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          There can always be a sawyer who wants to get everything. Imagine that Russia has another oligarch - the owner of the Vostochny spaceport. repeat
          1. Alexga 15 February 2020 10: 11 New
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            It’s easier to ask Lukashenka for his KGB, they will quickly handcuff everyone who is nuno. In Belarus, a penny "Sugar business" was untwisted, and in the East, huge money spun.
          2. AU Ivanov. 15 February 2020 10: 41 New
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              It would be even better if Mask moved to us. wink But you don’t want to. request
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                Put for espionage Mask)
                Seriously, it's time to repeat the successful experience, take and repeat Falcon. It is possible with improvements. We have done this over the past few centuries and more than once. Sometimes it's easier to borrow than reinvent the wheel. National pride will not suffer, but lost positions can be returned.
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                  Quote: Whalebone
                  Seriously, it's time to repeat the successful experience, take and repeat Falcon.

                  I don’t think that what Mask is doing has a prospect - most likely his program will repeat the fate of the Shuttle, but now he just keeps himself at the expense of feeding NASA and other funds that he was able to attract.
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                  Sometimes it's easier to borrow than reinvent the wheel.

                  That's right, just what Mask does is far from the best, but an inflated bubble that will burst when the new term for its flight to Mars approaches. You can familiarize yourself with his promises:
                  Musk confirmed his intention to send to Mars in 2018 with the help of the Falcon Heavy heavy rocket, tests of which are scheduled for autumn 2016.

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                  National pride will not suffer

                  This is right - we never bothered with this when it was necessary to catch up with other countries.

                  Quote: Whalebone
                  but lost positions can be returned.

                  And we are ahead of everyone else in space - not the same mask to catch up with us, that's for sure.
                  1. Fan-fan 15 February 2020 20: 17 New
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                    Dear patriot, you don’t see that the cost of putting a kilogram of cargo into orbit is cheaper for Mask rockets than ours, but if you knew, you would not have included this hackneyed record about ahead of everyone in space.
                    1. ccsr 16 February 2020 12: 27 New
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                      Quote: Fan-Fan
                      Dear patriot, you don’t see that the cost of putting a kilogram of cargo into orbit is cheaper for Mask rockets than ours, but if you knew, you would not have included this hackneyed record about ahead of everyone in space.

                      Try to overload your brain program, and study the opinions of those who are better than you in the projects of Mask:
                      Now, having loaded with this information, let's take a closer look at the arguments of Russian space experts.
                      Gennady Malyshev from Aerospace Rally System notes that BFR has few prospects as a passenger transport. It is difficult to argue with this: supersonic passenger traffic died out as unnecessary, and conventional aircraft can deliver a passenger to the other end of the world in 12-18 hours. Often, waiting for a transfer or the road to the airport takes no less time than the flight itself.
                      ..... Oleg Mukhin from the Russian Cosmonautics Federation compares BFR with shuttles and claims that BFR will not be able to reach a high frequency of flights, and therefore it will be unprofitable.
                      .... The chief editor of the journal "Cosmonautics News" Igor Marinin called the BFR a "senile project" and noted that he would not be able to deliver the crew to Mars declared one hundred people (a small note for RBC editors: the state corporation Roscosmos has existed since 2015, and not since 1991, and the Cosmonautics News magazine has been owned by the state corporation only since 2017). In the understanding of NASA, which has its own idea of ​​the Martian expedition, a flight to Mars consists of a flight phase lasting 6 months, working on Mars for 6-9 months and a six-month flight to Earth. Stocks of the life support system (including water and food) for one crew member for such a period will be from 1 to 2 tons. Accordingly, for a hundred people, 100-200 tons of supplies will be needed, which can hardly be placed or not at all in the BFR.

                      https://kosmolenta.com/index.php/1116-2017-10-02-bfr
                      This article is 2017. Now tell us what Musk presented to us three years later from what he intended to do.
                2. Svetlana 15 February 2020 18: 12 New
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                  It is possible with improvements.

                  In order to bring the cargo into space instead of the Saber hypersonic engine (with high pressure in the combustion chamber about 100 atmospheres)
                  I offer a hypersonic ramjet engine with a low pressure in the combustion chamber (from 0.001 to 0.1 atmosphere).
                  The low pressure in the combustion chamber is compensated 100..1000 times by the large cross-section of the hypersonic air intake of this scramjet.
                  A magnetic field is used as the material from which this scramjet engine nozzle is made.
                  This scramjet is structurally a TOR (bagel) with a large radius of 20 meters and a small radius of 2 m,
                  made of carbon fiber, duralumin or even steel. The cavity inside the bagel is mostly filled with liquid hydrogen or liquid methane.
                  For the initial acceleration to a speed of 1,5..3 Mach (start speed scramjet)
                  in the donut cavity there is also a small tank with an oxidizing agent (liquid oxygen)
                  and along the perimeter of the donut, several rocket engines (RD) are installed, for example, of the RD-180 type under fairings with a heat-protective coating.
                  Before starting from the ground, the hole in the bagel is covered with a flexible membrane of heat-resistant carbon fiber fabric.
                  The membrane is attached to the surface of the donut on pyro bolts. In a ring tank with liquid hydrogen inside the bagel set
                  a magnetic coil of several hundred turns of a superconducting HTSC tape. Before starting it is cooled with liquid hydrogen to a superconducting state,
                  They feed with a current of 10Ka (the total current across all turns is ~ 4 Megaamperes), they close themselves by closing the beginning and end of the coil.
                  Vertical take-off from the ground is performed on conventional taxiways fixed along the donut perimeter, creating excessive pressure under the membrane.
                  After taking off to a height of several kilometers and gaining speed on the order of the speed of sound, they fire pyro-bolts of the membrane fastening, reduce the flow of oxidizing agent,
                  increase the supply of liquid hydrogen. So that at this moment the engine does not stall, use forced ignition,
                  for example, backlighting the scramjet torch with a powerful microwave beam from the ground. For uniform distribution of liquid fuel in an annular toroidal cryogenic tank
                  use the promotion of the tank around the axis of the torus. For stable plasma formation in the flare scramjet, enter the cesium additives into the exhaust of the taxiway,
                  supplying liquid cryogenic fuel to the scramjet torch. RD In this mode, they simply act as nozzles,
                  injecting liquid cryogenic fuel into the area of ​​the Torch scramjet engine.
                  The combustion of the supplied cryogenic fuel takes place in a stream of air flowing through an opening on the axis of the torus into the region of the scramjet flare. After reaching the upper atmosphere at heights of large 75..80 km, when atmospheric air is no longer enough for cryogenic fuel to be burned in the scramjet flare and to form the necessary traction, the cryogenic oxidizer flow rate again increases in the taxiway. Bringing the speed of the spacecraft to the first space is carried out on the thrust of the taxiway.
                  The thrust impulse is transmitted from the scramjet torch to the toroidal tank body by means of the magnetic field of the solenoid inside the toroidal cryogenic tank. Due to the decrease in the side supply of the oxidizer, the payload mass is increased.
                  1. Mityay65 16 February 2020 14: 28 New
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                    Elegant, incomparable love
                    The wisest, and where can I get acquainted with this wonderful scramjet project? Is there a reference there or can you indicate the source?
                    Thank you in advance!
                    1. Svetlana 16 February 2020 17: 11 New
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                      The return from the orbit of the toroidal spaceship is safer than the return from the orbit of the space shuttle. The shuttle Columbia collapsed during descent from orbit due to damage to the thermal barrier on the wing. In a toroidal spaceship, the thermal loads on the toroidal tank body are significantly reduced by applying magnetic thermal insulation of the torus body and rotating the body around the torus axis. Due to the rotation, the most heat-stressed nose of the spacecraft torus, directed towards the oncoming air flow, constantly leaves the head around the shadow part and manages to cool as the torus rotates.
                      The flexible, heat-resistant diaphragm reset at startup can be reused. Landing a spaceship - like a Mask, vertically on its taxiways.
                      Links to the source Saber:
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SABRE_(rocket_engine)
                      https://www.reactionengines.co.uk/sabre
                      1. Mityay65 17 February 2020 10: 31 New
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                        The idea is interesting. It is interesting to apply superconductivity to jet propulsion. But there are a few buts.
                        Quote: Svetlana
                        instead of hypersonic saber engine

                        The proposed design has nothing to do with Saber at all. Saber is a variant of the HOTOL project hybrid engine, known since the 70s.
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                        I propose a hypersonic ramjet engine (scramjet)

                        Why scramjet? What are the characteristic signs of the scramjet you see in the proposed device? The scramjet engine is characterized by wave interference from shock waves in the combustion chamber, which is necessary for mixture formation. Or some other principle of the formation of mixture formation. This is the most interesting and represents a difficult scientific and technical task for 70 years. So it is simply described by ramjet. French patent of the late XNUMXth century.
                        Quote: Svetlana
                        For sustainable plasma formation in flare scramjet

                        Where does plasma come from? There is a burning of fuel, as I understand it, but what about the plasma?
                        Quote: Svetlana
                        The thrust impulse is transmitted from the scramjet torch to the toroidal tank body by means of the magnetic field of the solenoid located inside the toroidal cryogenic tank.

                        But as? Oxygen and hydrogen in the reaction form water. How are you going to transmit the momentum to the Laval nozzle, formed by the electromagnetic field into vapors and drops of water?
                        Quote: Svetlana
                        Return from orbit of a toroidal spaceship

                        First, take off. No?
                        Quote: Svetlana
                        like Mask, vertically on its taxiways.

                        Will St. Ilon be mentioned for ritual purposes?
                        Quote: Svetlana
                        Links to the source Saber

                        Again, the links you offer are a description of a hybrid engine that has nothing to do with what you offer. An interesting more detailed description of what you offer. Is this not a translation by chance? The style is similar.
                      2. Svetlana 17 February 2020 19: 57 New
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                        Quote: Mityai65
                        plasma then?

                        Without plasma, there will be no interaction with the magnetic nozzle.
                        Quote: Mityai65
                        First take off

                        Yes)
                        Quote: Mityai65
                        How are you going to transmit the momentum to the Laval nozzle, formed by the electromagnetic field into vapors and drops of water?

                        In a toroidal scramjet torch, there will be no vapors and droplets, but plasma from partially ionized molecules of water, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, cesium ions and electrons. The pulse to the Laval nozzle formed by the magnetic field of the toroidal superconducting solenoid is transmitted by the Lorentz force F = [J * B] where J is the ring current in the torch plasma of a toroidal scramjet scramjet induced in the torch plasma by the magnetohydrodynamic interaction of the moving torch plasma with the magnetic field of the superconducting solenoid; B is the magnetic field from the superconducting solenoid in the region of the scramjet plume, i.e., in the region of the magnetic Laval nozzle.
                        Quote: Mityai65
                        Why scramjet? What are the characteristic signs of the scramjet you see in the proposed device? The scramjet engine is characterized by wave interference from shock waves in the combustion chamber, which is necessary for mixture formation.

                        In the proposed toroidal scramjet, believe me, there will be plenty of shock waves in the scramjet flare (i.e. in the magnetic combustion chamber) at supersonic and hypersonic modes of motion. There will also be wave interference from the shock waves, outwardly looking like beautiful translucent barrels, following one after another in the satellite jet of the scramjet torch and behind it
                        Quote: Mityai65

                        The proposed design has nothing to do with Saber at all.

                        You are partially right. The common toroidal scramjet and Saber are both hypersonic.
                      3. Mityay65 18 February 2020 09: 34 New
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                        Good morning, Svetlana love
                        Quote: Svetlana
                        Without plasma, there will be no interaction with the magnetic nozzle.

                        It seems here we come to the root of the question. We must form plasma flow. At the same time, it should somehow be combined with the process in the combustion chamber. And this is the main question. Although in fact there are two of them - plasma formation (where, due to what and under what conditions) and the process of mixture formation and combustion in the combustion chamber, i.e. due to which there is a compaction of air (oxidizer).
                        This is exactly the mystery of your starship for me, the most insightful yes
                        Quote: Svetlana
                        believe me, there will be plenty of jumps in the gas flare scramjet (i.e. in the magnetic combustion chamber

                        This is not entirely clear: the torch and the combustion chamber are so different. There is a scramjet combustion chamber where air (oxidizing agent) is compressed, fuel (hydrogen) is injected, mixture formation and combustion. After which, as I understand it, the combustion products turn into plasma in some way and fly out through the electromagnetic nozzle. Am I representing the process correctly? You have written that the combustion chamber and the torch are one and the same. Is this not confusion? How is the combustion process?
                        For the ramjet operation, anyway, which scramjet, airjet ramjet, PuVRD, it is necessary to seal the air in combustion chambernot behind her in the torch. This is achieved in various ways, for SPJD it is flow deceleration, for scramjet engine, according to the theory, this is interference of compression shocks. There, hydrogen injection, the formation of a combustible mixture, the initiation of combustion (ignition) should occur. Without a compaction process organized in one way or another, ramjetting is not possible.
                        If you plan to burn the mixture in a torch, then this is not ramjet, but some fundamentally different dvigun.
                        Quote: Svetlana
                        To prevent the engine from stalling at this moment, use forced ignition, for example, by lighting the scramjet torch with a powerful microwave beam from the ground.

                        I’m not sure, but I suppose that it’s worthwhile to achieve a self-sustaining combustion process, as in all WFMs, and not external ignition. Then the com of problems will go like an avalanche. In principle, on modern turbojet engines, oddly enough, “plasma” ignition systems are installed. And again, highlight the microwave in what place? It seems to me that the torch will fail.
                        As I understand it, the sequence in your proposed ramjet (this is definitely not a scramjet, better than the ramjet) of reactive thrust formation is as follows: air enters the combustion chamber through the air intake, where it compaction (due to which it is not yet known), hydrogen injection into the mixture, the mixture enters the combustion chamber, combustion in the combustion chamber, exhaust through the critical section of the nozzle, mysterious plasma formation, into the supersonic part of the Lavayal nozzle formed by the magnetic field.
                        This is what I imagined. But how really?
                        Quote: Svetlana
                        You are partially right. The common toroidal scramjet and Saber are both hypersonic.

                        I think they have little in common. Saber is not a direct-flow engine. It’s better not to compare with Saber, it has a bad reputation - they have been doing it for 40 years and never will.
                        These are the questions I had. Do you have any answers? Maybe a patent description or an article?
                      4. Svetlana 18 February 2020 11: 21 New
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                        Quote: Mityai65
                        air through the air intake enters the combustion chamber, where it is condensed (due to which it is not yet known),

                        In the plume in the region of the magnetic nozzle there will be an attached mass of magnetized plasma.
                        This plasma is magnetized by the total toroidal-poloidal magnetic field formed by the sum of three magnetic fields: 1) a magnetic field from a superconducting solenoid, 2) a toroidal magnetic field in a plasma induced by an axial electric current arising in the plume plasma due to the thermopower due to the difference in plasma temperature along the axis torch, 3) the magnetic field from the ring (toroidal) electric current in the plasma of the torch induced in the plasma by MHD interaction.
                        The attached mass of magnetized plasma is glued to a toroidal - poloidal magnetic field, moves in a torch together with the spacecraft body and a toroidal poloidal magnetic field behind the toroidal tank body at the same hypersonic speed as the spacecraft itself.
                        A hypersonic air stream rushes to this attached plasma mass through the central opening of the torus, is inhibited by the attached plasma mass, which is “motionless” relative to the spacecraft body, and forms a direct shock wave in the critical section, i.e. in the equatorial part of the hole of the torus.
                        It is due to this direct shock wave, constantly hanging in the equatorial section of the torus hole, that the air is compressed, according to the Hugoniot adiabat ro1 = ro0 * (gamma + 1) / (gamma-1) where ro0 is the density of the incoming air flow before the direct shock wave, rо1 is the plasma density after the shock wave, gamma = 1,2 ... 1,4 is the plasma adiabatic exponent (air + water vapor). During this direct shock wave hanging in the central opening of the toroidal tank, jets of liquid hydrogen with cesium additives, which are first vaporized and then burned in compressed direct shock air, are injected slightly downstream with injectors of the RD-180 type.
                      5. Svetlana 24 February 2020 14: 13 New
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                        In a toroidal cryogenic tank, 2 solenoids with opposing currents of 4 MegaAmps can be arranged.
                        The first solenoid with a diameter slightly smaller than the outer equatorial diameter of the toroidal tank.
                        The second solenoid with a diameter slightly larger than the diameter of the central opening of the toroidal tank.
                        In the region of the central opening of the toroidal cryogenic tank, the magnetic fields of these solenoids are almost compensated and allow the cockpit or payload compartment, the orbital module, to be located in the region of the central opening of the toroidal cryogenic tank. The orbital module is attached to
                        toroidal tank with several horizontal beams covered with thermal protection. To control the shape of the magnetic nozzle and increase the manufacturability of its manufacture, the magnetic nozzle can be made of magnetic fields of several tens of small vertical solenoids.
                        Each small solenoid is 3,5 m in diameter, that is, smaller than the small diameter of the toroidal cryogenic tank (the small diameter of the cryogenic toroidal tank is 4 meters, the large diameter of the toroidal cryogenic tank is 40 meters).
                        These solenoids are arranged vertically inside the toroidal cryogenic tank adjacent to each other, in much the same way that the solenoids are located in the motors of the direct inverter drive of LG washing machines,
                        only the diameter will be larger and the magnetic field inside the small solenoids located vertically is directed down parallel to the axis of the cryogenic toroidal tank. In this case, individual solenoids can be wound and assembled at the plant and transported to the starting point by rail
                        transport. Railway transport in Russia are considered to be included in the overall dimensions,
                        if the cargo dimensions do not exceed 13.3 meters in length (this is the length of the platform), 3.25 m wide and 5.3 m high.
                        They control the shape of the magnetic nozzle, changing the electric currents in these solenoids.
                3. Svetlana 17 February 2020 20: 20 New
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                  Quote: Mityai65
                  So it is simply described by ramjet. French patent of the late XNUMXth century.
                  Is the magnetic nozzle in the French patent of the end of the XNUMXth century also mentioned?)
                4. Mityay65 18 February 2020 09: 46 New
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                  Quote: Svetlana
                  Is the magnetic nozzle in the French patent of the end of the XNUMXth century also mentioned?)

                  In fact, as I understand it, the device you are proposing may not be a scramjet at all, but also a sprays and just a ramjet. The whole question is the principle of plasma formation. Due to what does she appear there? And I advise you to call it Pl.VRD - Plasma WFD.
                  Patent, by the way, if no one has patented yet.
  • U-58 15 February 2020 12: 34 New
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    Moreover, it is now absolutely necessary!
  • Oleg Skvortsov 15 February 2020 09: 47 New
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    What are you writing about? What cosmos? Here it’s faster to secure a life-long rule, enslave people with a number, and shove a couple of trillions more offshore.
    1. mark2 15 February 2020 12: 31 New
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      . to enslave people with a figure,


      I suggest throwing the computer and the mobile, and like in the good old days, in a live turn to the doctor, to the tax office, to the traffic police, for any other help, etc.
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        Quote: mark2
        . to enslave people with a figure,


        I suggest throwing the computer and the mobile, and like in the good old days, in a live turn to the doctor, to the tax office, to the traffic police, for any other help, etc.

        Why throw it away - just say thanks to the Chinese. Without them, this will not work ..
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          It will not work without electricity. And of course, thanks to the Chinese
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            Of course, thanks to the Chinese, without them, "this" would not exist at all .. Yes, in places already there would be no electricity anymore ..
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  • Aleks2000 15 February 2020 09: 53 New
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    Rogozin's salary - 6 salaries of experienced astronauts who risk their lives and train regularly.
    600% profit only officially
    + A bunch of VIP managers and deputies, in Moscow, in one tower eating 50% of the industry’s salary ....
    "problems of Russian space programs" say ...
    1. Fedorov 15 February 2020 10: 04 New
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      Sooner or later Rogozin will leave the stage, well, or he will drop his hooves. And I hope the astronauts with the star of the Hero will remember. Although ... now such youth .. Where are we looking?
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        Quote: Fedorov
        And I hope the astronauts with the star of the Hero will remember.

        Who? Already, many young people believe that the first American flew into space.
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          many young people believe that the first American flew into space

          What are you drinking, what are you young people see?
    2. bessmertniy 15 February 2020 10: 08 New
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      I also like Rogozin's salary. And I sympathize with you, Alex, that our salaries are not cosmic. request
    3. Fan-fan 15 February 2020 20: 21 New
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      People write correctly here - there is no time for them to engage in outer space, as indeed the whole country, their main goal in power is to stay longer to fill their pockets for longer.
  • sabakina 15 February 2020 10: 14 New
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    The main problem with the study of the Sun is still the same - chronic underfunding of research.
    Naive baby talk. We are allowed to look at the Sun from afar. KA earthlings reached the border of the solar system, and what is beyond the sun still do not know ....
    1. Engineer Schukin 15 February 2020 13: 21 New
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      Have you ever studied at school?
  • Hakka 15 February 2020 10: 18 New
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    Rating Cosmo Powers think this: 1. USA 2. China 3. Europe, Russia, India 4. Japan. But in a few years, India will be able to take a solid 3rd place.
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      Quote: Hakka
      Rating Cosmo Powers think this: 1. USA 2. China 3. Europe, Russia, India 4. Japan. But in a few years, India will be able to take a solid 3rd place.

      It’s complete nonsense, because as long as we have RS-28 rockets, no country in the world, except the United States, can compete with us in the field of space programs.
      The creation of the RS-28 Sarmat missile: US strategic miscalculation
      Experts consider the ICBMs to be “heavy”, with a starting weight of more than 100 tons, capable of “throwing” 6-8 tons of payload, equipped with a multiple warhead. destruction of the United States, it will take only 40 of these missiles. Realizing their complete helplessness in front of the Russian “heavy” ICBMs, the American leadership hoped that at the turn of 2010–2020 Russia would completely lose this “trump card” and lose the opportunity to maintain strategic parity with the United States.
      .... How Russia ruined US plans
      To cross out US strategic calculations, Russia, starting in 2009, began to develop a new "heavy" ICBM, called the RS-28 Sarmat. To solve this problem, it was necessary to create a new scientific and industrial cooperation.

      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5daeb98586c4a900ada597cc/sozdanie-rakety-rs28--sarmat-strategicheskii-proschet-ssha-5e3e83332925a251c4146937?&utm_campaign=dbr
      So, we haven’t lost everything, and the desire of some leaders to cut the “space pie” in favor of dubious scientific research, such as studying the Sun with the help of spacecraft, suggests that the article is custom-made, and written at the direction of some part of the industry that we already "Buran" vparil during Soviet times.
      It is better to judge our achievements in space programs for arming the Strategic Missile Forces - this is a more accurate criterion for understanding what place we occupy in the world.
      1. Hakka 15 February 2020 19: 32 New
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        It’s complete nonsense, the Strategic Missile Forces is a military, and I’m talking about peaceful space, scientific research, interplanetary stations, and by the number of US satellites number 1, the Strategic Missile Forces need to be compared to the army, another topic.
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          Quote: Hakka
          Complete nonsense, Strategic Rocket Forces is a military man,

          The one who doesn’t understand is delirious that the main customer of space programs is precisely our armed forces, and even the peaceful Buran was built at their expense.
          Quote: Hakka
          I'm talking about peaceful space, scientific research, interplanetary stations,

          And who needs this peaceful cosmos, and scientific research in the interests of all mankind? Are we the richest in the world, or don’t you know how to steal our achievements? Maybe it’s enough to squander the country’s funds for the Wishlist of some of our close-minded lovers of studying the Sun and deep space?
          Quote: Hakka
          and by the number of US satellites number 1,

          That is why it is necessary to expand its satellite constellation with applied tasks, rather than basic research, and not spend money on unnecessary programs that will not pay off in the next decade.
          Quote: Hakka
          Strategic Missile Forces it is necessary to compare the army, another topic.

          In fact, in addition to the Strategic Missile Forces, we have the entire space system of the airborne forces providing all of space - so there is no way to do without the military. But not everyone knows about this, which is why they are so famously bent about a peaceful space, forgetting that the military and its escort provide.
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        Quote: ccsr
        It is better to judge our achievements in space programs for arming the Strategic Missile Forces - this is a more accurate criterion for understanding what place we occupy in the world.

        Our armored personnel carriers were excellent, but the cars did not work out.
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          We had excellent armored personnel carriers

          Recently discussed Soviet armored personnel carriers. Shit basically. And everyone knew that this was shit, but all do not care.
  • Basarev 15 February 2020 10: 23 New
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    It is right to say not if, but when. And this applies not only to space. I always said: Russia now rests only on the people of the Soviet education. And they are already in years. When the last of them dies, Russia will simply collapse.
  • mr.ZinGer 15 February 2020 10: 30 New
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    Another "money is not enough, the prospects are vague." So and so it is clear, what is the point of the article? The author at least for the sake of the material went through persons and projects, as well as a set of common words.
    1. Whalebone 15 February 2020 12: 40 New
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      Because any "passage in person" will end on one specific, very important and beloved by many readers of VO. Which is responsible for everything in this country.
  • MrFox 15 February 2020 10: 49 New
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    Parker Solar Probe is a NASA robotic spacecraft launched in 2018 to study the solar corona. The device should approach the Sun at a distance of 9.86 of its radius.

    In general, this is no longer a sensation and not a thing of the future.
  • 75 Sergey 15 February 2020 11: 08 New
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    Will run out Yes, you are an optimist! It’s already exhausted, and the authorities, at all levels, are aimed at personal enrichment by creating the appearance of intense activity.
  • Professor Preobrazhensky 15 February 2020 11: 10 New
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    Do not forget that in our space program, there is another trump card that has not been used. Back in Brezhnev’s time, the issue of landing our astronauts in the sun, in response to the US lunar program, was being worked out.
    Of course, now skeptics will ask me a question, but how do we do this, our manned ship will burn when flying to the sun.
    Even then, Leonid Ilyich provided for such objections and prepared an answer that we would fly at night.
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      there is another unused trump card

      Well, you, now the trump card is even steeper.



      so win
      1. Lamata 15 February 2020 16: 35 New
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        And father’s rockets are also blessed?
  • parusnik 15 February 2020 11: 38 New
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    Another thing is surprising: in 1959,1971,1973 the moon was reached, this was when the USSR, according to the guarantor, only knew how to make galoshes ..... But now in the age of nanotechnology and when the Russian economy has reached unprecedented heights, we can’t fly to the moon. .Soviet legacy dried up ..?
    1. Lamata 15 February 2020 11: 47 New
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      Yes Galoshes right now the wrong system !! don't fly.
    2. Malyuta 15 February 2020 21: 43 New
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      Quote: parusnik
      Another thing is surprising: in 1959,1971,1973 the moon was reached, this was when the USSR, according to the guarantor, only knew how to make galoshes ..... But now in the age of nanotechnology and when the Russian economy has reached unprecedented heights, we can’t fly to the moon. .Soviet legacy dried up ..?

      Do you know what is the most developed mode of transport in the Russian Federation? Cars and railways, even in the first fifty countries, are not included, but the most developed is PIPELINE !!! And that says a lot .....
  • Lamata 15 February 2020 11: 45 New
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    Eagle!!! when will the science module fly? how many years have been digging
    1. Old Orc 17 February 2020 17: 00 New
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      It will be renamed by the masculine name and sent to the moon on the Yenisei, which by then would be renamed Proton 2. to trace the historical connection.
  • U-58 15 February 2020 12: 07 New
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    And who, in fact, needs and is dear the status of a pioneering space country ??
    Yes, perhaps to almost no one.
    Most likely, the first leaders of the state for weight in the international arena.
    The article rightly talks about space financing.

    The Soviet groundwork is such (working and inexhaustible for 30 years) and it is that a practically unmeasured amount of money is swelled into it.
    Today, all enterprises operate within the strict framework of contracts.
    The creation of rocket and space technology a priori implies a large amount of experimental development work.
    Production contracts are now very pragmatic.
    Namely, as if everything will turn out right away as it should, without marriage, without additional tests, without the occurrence of current technological, design and other problems.
    At the same time, the state, as the general customer of everything, is not able to pay for this “all” NECESSARY expenses.
    Moreover, it seems that the overwhelming majority of officials responsible for the allocation of funds simply do not represent all the specific difficulties of production.
    Industrialists indulge them, ready to grab any, even knowingly insufficient, share of financing, so as not to be left without orders at all.
    Summary: if the trail of dusty paths on distant planets is a state task, then this task must be paid in full. If we don’t have the means (in view of the complete collapse in the economy), then the ideas of space leadership should be quietly put into the archive of history and therefore not nervous about this.
  • Chaldon48 15 February 2020 12: 35 New
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    Alas, nothing is eternal, as long as there is no obvious military opposition, space exploration has become a kind of sport, there are leaders, there are outsiders. Russia is still ahead in some areas. What will happen next?
  • Whalebone 15 February 2020 12: 45 New
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    With Russian space the same problem as with the Navy. There is no clear strategy what, when, how much, and, most importantly, why build. Advance in all directions will not work, you need to understand where the segment is important for the country, and focus on it. Either the Russian Federation transports cargoes and crews to the ISS, or launches satellites at a low cost, or builds a base on the moon. Sitting on all the chairs now is not enough.
    1. Malyuta 15 February 2020 21: 39 New
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      Quote: Whalebone
      With Russian space the same problem as with the Navy. There is no clear strategy what, when, how much, and, most importantly, why build.

      Colleague, what the hell is space and the Navy when the country itself has no development strategy!
  • Strashila 15 February 2020 13: 07 New
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    The country on the shoulders of the Soviet legacy by inertia skipped these decades in the space industry, these decades were spent not so much on conservation, just silent on development, but on the notorious optimization by effective managers, according to the people’s cut.
    Over the years, they didn’t even try to formulate the direction of development, and what I’m talking about, they sent the hardships of the Soviet era to the development of the Pacific bottom.
  • Ros 56 15 February 2020 13: 20 New
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    The main problem of our space industry, as well as any other, is, well, very "effective", not responsible for anything. They would be at least through one to the wall to put, maybe then things will be more successful. Everyone knows about this and nothing is being done to rectify the situation. And most importantly, in any economic sector there should be a very thoughtful payment system, depending on the final result.
  • A.TOR 15 February 2020 15: 09 New
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    There are no problems with the “legacy” and so on. There is a lack of interest in space as an object of research for decision-makers about financing. In Soviet times, interest was fueled by the ideological component of educating youth ("there will be apple trees on Mars ...", etc.) Naturally, society was interested in and indirectly created pressure on the government, which often had to allocate considerable funds for purely scientific programs. Science took advantage of this and got opportunities.
    Now this is not, no influence - there is no talk of pressure! - the society does not directly or indirectly render, because now capitalism and people, of course, are completely occupied with the survival problems.
    In the United States, the situation is fundamentally different - there science is far from being 100% funded by the state, and besides, it has always been extremely financially independent due, firstly, to the interest of private companies (and there are an absolute majority) in research results to increase competitiveness of goods and services, and secondly, through funds created back in the 19th century by various rich people to support - targeted - specific universities and specific areas of research.
    In addition, American society is much richer than Russian society, there are, so to speak, "surpluses" there, which are with appropriate and very effective pressure on the Finnish. legislators - sent to these same studies.
    And, of course, to a tremendous extent, the system of very quickly introducing the achievements of space hi-tech into commercial products - and many of the ideas for new products become "belts" of space programs, works very effectively in terms of "knocking out" space funds.
    In the Russian Federation, all this does not work and cannot work, because There is no own commercial interest in new technologies, only in the military-industrial complex, but everything is specific and classified there.
    And goods can also be purchased in China: according to my "long-term observations", the country's leaders have long ceased to believe in the possibility of Russian business becoming innovative. True, there is a very important nuance in the misunderstanding of some points, but this is politics ...
  • Astra55 15 February 2020 21: 25 New
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    An article about space, and comments about pensions
    1. mat-vey 16 February 2020 07: 18 New
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      Everything in life is connected and inseparable.
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        Quote: mat-vey
        Everything in life is connected and inseparable.

        Russians were the first in space and they will remain! How would we negatives
        Yuri Gagarin is watching us with Korolev and Tsialkovsky!
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          Quote: Xambo
          Tsialkovsky

          Of course they are. And not delighted, probably, from the fact that the descendants of even their last names can not write correctly ... request
  • Last centurion 17 February 2020 14: 15 New
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    what does the "bureaucratic apparatus" and the "raw materials sector" have to do with it. We got the cries of Yaroslavl. SpaceX employs 8000 people, plus 18800 people in nasa, and 189500 people in Roskosmos. Musk launches satellites soon soon more than all of them in orbit launched in the Russian Federation. Attention to the question, are there not too many UNPRODUCTIVE LABOR per launch unit, what do these people do about a delta of 150 thousand people? Well, suppose another 50 thousand are all sorts of subcontractors for the mask and Nasa for the Boeing, etc. which are probably shoved into the structure of Roskosmos, but the remaining 100 thousand?
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      Quote: Last centurion
      what do these people do I about the delta of 150 thousand people?

      Well, considering that there is a fitness director in Samara on Kuznetsovo ... then everything is clear.
  • Old Orc 17 February 2020 16: 56 New
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    And they no longer remember the SCIENCE module for the ISS. Or is there already a proposal to hold a competition to rename and give the module a masculine name and change its purpose for the Lunar Station?
  • Svetlana 17 February 2020 20: 53 New
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    Quote: Mityai65
    Will St. Ilon be mentioned for ritual purposes?

    St. Ilon is mentioned due to the fact that with a vertical landing the torus does not fall sideways, as happened with Ilon, the location of the donut’s center of gravity will not allow it. And yet this is not a translation, just inspired by St. Valentine)
  • Garri_ 19 February 2020 09: 22 New
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    Quote: NF68
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    Peter Alekseevich, in view of dire necessity, melted the church bells into cannons.

    The Bolsheviks sold paintings and valuables inherited from the tsars for speedy industrialization.

    And what would it be to sell for the rise and development of the space industry?

    Maybe Pugachev with Galkin?))))


    It is better to sell to the Americans the red Tolya Chubais. It may be at least somehow good from this Russia will be.

    ..that to sell it ... he already has them, and the Americans will not buy the same thing twice twice ... bully