Five foreign myths about the Su-57 fighter

The foreign press pays great attention to the new generation Su-57 Russian fighter, more often in a negative way. The myths about the aircraft repeat each other, and their main goal is to discredit a serious competitor of American fighters.

Fears about the creation of a fifth-generation fighter in Russia are interspersed in foreign (not only American and European) media with constant search for shortcomings and weaknesses that you can cling to in order to once again wreck the Su-57 and the Russian aircraft industry as a whole.

The real “balm for the soul” for the United States and its allies was India’s refusal to purchase Su-57, although initially the Indian leadership was going to be very active in a joint project with the Russians to create their own fighter based on the Russian one. At the same time, the Western press refers to the opinion of the Indian military.

The sources of criticism of the Russian aircraft, according to media reports, is Marshal aviation India Simhakutti Warthaman, responsible for the implementation of the FGFA project. It was the Indian military who formulated the main claims against the Su-57, which are now being circulated in the Western media.

Lack of a modern engine

In the popular publication The National Interest, analyst Dave Majumdar writes that the Su-57 fighter has 2 temporary dual-circuit turbojet engines with an afterburner AL-41F1 of NPO Saturn. In fact, Majumdar emphasizes, these are the same engines that were installed on the existing Su-35S fighter. In the West, the engines used in the Su-57 are considered obsolete, not meeting the standards of the fifth generation aircraft.

Therefore, the Indian military said that in the framework of the Advanced Multirole Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project to create a fifth-generation combat aircraft for the needs of the Indian Air Force, New Delhi will use American, French or British engines that have the "best" characteristics.

Underdeveloped stealth technology

The stealth technology in the Su-57 also claims. The Indian military said that Russia only created a certain appearance of using stealth technology on the Su-57, and in fact, the fighter is not so invulnerable to the enemy’s aviation and air defense. About the fact that the desire to minimize radar visibility inevitably affects the flight characteristics of the aircraft, of course, not a word. But the Indians considered an insufficient level of invisibility to be the reason not to attribute the Su-57 to fifth-generation aircraft.

Missile and radar issues

In India, they were also dissatisfied with the Su-57 missile weapons, which, according to Indian military experts, do not have sufficient accuracy. The Indian command did not like the radar equipment of the Russian aircraft, which was also considered obsolete and did not meet modern tasks.

Lack of intelligible production

Also in India and in the West, they drew attention to the lack of intelligible production of the Su-57. Now there are only prototypes of the fifth generation aircraft, and one of them not so long ago crashed in the Far East. The latter circumstance, of course, was a serious blow to the image of the Russian aircraft, but the Western press and the Russian liberal publications echoing it inflated this event to an incredible scale and had already predicted that no one would buy the Su-57 from Russia at all.

Financial difficulties

They also like to speculate about financial problems that Russia supposedly will inevitably face in deciding to launch serial production of the Su-57. Meanwhile, at the prices of the global aviation market, the Su-57 is very cheap, almost at the level of fourth-generation fighters. Naturally, many countries are interested in acquiring such an aircraft for such money, and if India decided to refuse the contract, then this is its problem - let it overpay for American companies.

Interestingly, when in December 2019 there was information about the upcoming signing of a contract for the supply of Su-57 to Algeria, foreign media immediately rushed to express their strong opinion: Algeria will not become the first buyer of the Su-57, since it died of a heart attack on December 23, 2019 79-year-old Major General Ahmed Hyde Salah, who served as chief of staff of the country's armed forces and was considered the main "lobbyist" of the acquisition of Algeria Su-57.

It is clear that there are problems with the implementation of the project. But something else is important here. Foreign media openly use any pretext, any event even indirectly related to the Su-57 (such as the death of an Algerian general) to once again criticize the Russian plane. What to do, the fight for the buyer in the global arms market is becoming increasingly fierce, and criticism of the Su-57 is also a component of the general information war against Russia.

Comments

[mark1]

Establish mass, rhythmic deliveries to their own videoconferencing system and all other issues will resolve themselves.

[NEXUS]

Quote: mark1

Establish mass, rhythmic deliveries to their own videoconferencing system and all other issues will resolve themselves.

Here in the branch about comparing the number of SU-57 and F-35, three Kamaz excrement droppers were also thrown on the fan.
It is necessary to convince the local public that everything with the SU-57 is bad, but the 500 F-35 is directly out of competition.
I’m silent about the fact that the F-35 is not close to the 5th generation fighter ... that’s okay ... but 500 units are against the absence of the SU-57 series. And it doesn’t matter for these individuals that the SU-57 is a HEAVY MFI, and the F-35 is an average under-attack aircraft. It is important to throw these same three Kamaz, excuse me, shit on the fan.
Citizens seropogonniki, when was the last time you looked at a map? Your dullness lies on the surface ... F-35 radius of action and the distance between our borders with the USA take a look.

[polar fox]

Quote: NEXUS

.F-35 action radius and the distance between our borders with the USA take a look.

looked ... there is also a bunch of bases along the borders. Or staff members will fly directly from the Pentagon?

[NEXUS]

Quote: polar fox

looked ... there is also a bunch of bases along the borders. Or staff members will fly directly from the Pentagon?

And now take a look at how many F-35 bases these are and where they are concentrated ... yeah.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: NEXUS

It is necessary to convince the local public that everything with the SU-57 is bad, but the 500 F-35 is directly out of competition.

What is the article about? The fact that someone is criticizing there? So what? What do we care? Our kulibins made a plane which they could make. Does he suit us? Today, yes. Is there a complaint to him? Maybe experts have it, we don’t know. It is important that he is. And the series is already contracted. Not buying yet? Nothing, survive. I hope that the Kulibins have begun work on the 6th generation.

[Simargl]

Quote: NEXUS

the range of the F-35 and the distance between our borders with the United States take a look.

yandex.ru/maps/?l=sat%2Cskl&ll=-168.901879%2C65.763625&rl=-168.951489%2C65.757699~-0.084801%2C0.004657&z=12

[Whalebone]

The author has big problems with logic. An aircraft that is not produced in commercial quantities cannot be a competitor to serial products. The campaigns are premature, first we will see the series, then we will talk about the "discrediting". Well, NOR is still a garbage dump, there are also decent publications, why dig into the garbage?

[Robert]

What is the point of discussing what is not?
There will be a series - there will be articles, but for now SU - 57 itself is like a myth ...

[evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru]

Well said, Robert! Exactly so is a myth. And they have REALITY, unfortunately for us. Hooray-patriots ,, RK ,, （,, Capitalist Russia ,,） as ,, with a gun’s hat, worn with the F-35. A F-22 ,, forgot ,,? ,, I remember ... ,,. Serial F-22 has been in combat service for about 15 years! Why, indescribable delight, to experience when looking at the current state of affairs in the aviation industry and the Air Force? For the year （!） They couldn’t release TWO serial Su-57 aircraft （according to open sources）. The Union produced HUNDREDS of LA annually. fifty (! )years ago. I want to spit when looking at modern ,, achievements ,,. But the salary of the main producer is 50 million rubles. per month. Workers ... （such and such）. ,, We built-built and, finally, built ... ,, Bright capitalist ,, tomorrow ,,

[bars1]

When it comes to myths they are exposed. Here is the usual enumeration of these nagging myths. The article is a failure.

[Alexander Zima]

MIG 15 was not ideal at first, too ....... but clobbering in Korea at 51m everything could fly with amers.

[Lamata]

Hindus are still great technologists. What's with their war chariot arjun, popandos. And there is nothing to criticize on our planes.

[Simargl]

Quote: Lamata

What's up with their Arjun war chariot

Yes, they could only grow mangoes. They did not succeed in mangoes.

[Lamata]

So they could grow or mango did not work, otherwise I didn’t understand something

[Vlad5307]

Well, apparently, there is no urgent need to increase the production of the Su-57, because state-owned aircraft, too, with a great stretch can be called full-fledged 5th generation. Their Fu-35s won't get any better from the inflated PR company, and applying anti-radar coating almost after every flight is generally the "top" of the invisibility technology. They need to recoup the costs of its production, so they sell it to all their partners and vassals. The operation of the Fu-35 is very expensive, and therefore they fly infrequently. The Su-57 is being systematically prepared for serial production, and not only the aircraft itself, but everything that accompanies it. Those. the whole complex. And along the way, generation 6 technologies are being tested. And we don't need to uncontrollably pour money into the war, but we need to be ready. And since "friends and partners" did not attack us, it means that we are on the right track and there is no place for panic.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Vlad5307

there is no urgent need to increase the production of Su-57, because shtatovskie machines can also be called a full stretch of the 5th generation

I will get involved in a useless argument "who has longer" (who has better / worse planes and who matches what), but I will tell you one time-tested axiom: it is better to have 10 thousand mediocre tanks than excellent cars, but in the amount of a hundred. They just won't solve anything on the battlefield. I hope the meaning and analogy are clear?

[Lipchanin]

Well, since they were so amicable on the Su-57, it means the car was a success. If there was a bad plane, they wouldn’t want it like that.

[shahor]

Quote: Lipchanin

Well, since they were so amicable on the Su-57, it means the car was a success.

So after all, nothing has yet been achieved. Just today I read an interview with the director of the Russian tactical systems group Obnosov to the agency RIA Novosti about armament for the internal compartments of the Su-57. It turns out that in Russia today such weapons do not exist. Yes, there are weapons for strategic purposes, but not for dryers. It is necessary to solve the problem of creating weapons with wings and rudders expanding after launch. And the main thing. When starting such a weapon there are additional loads on the fuselage. I have questions. How many years have Su-57 been developed? Nearly 20? What, over the years, no one has ever thought that a stealth aircraft should carry weapons in its internal compartments? And what do you need special weapons for this? And if the issue is solved with weapons, I hope, they will solve it (although why only now? How many more years will the aircraft be unarmed in stealth mode)? then with the question of loads the question is more complicated. The plane went into series - and what, he is not able to use weapons from the internal compartments without redesigning? How many years will it take? And who will be responsible for the failure? Maybe somehow they can solve this problem in the framework of the current project? I don’t know ... So far, we have an airplane without a full-time engine, without full-time armament, with dubious stealth, they wrote to VO that not all the electronics are ready. So what kind of car is going into the series?

[ugol2]

The commission comes to the company. They check the whole day - everything is in order, there is nothing to complain about, by the evening the foreman sees - the main inspector writes joyfully something near the fire shield. Approaches and sees: list of flaws from 28 points:
1. The shovel on the fire shield does not hang correctly, from south to north and not vice versa
2. Shovel stalk 2 cm shorter than the set length
3. The color of the shovel does not match the basic tone of the shield
4. There are scratches and chips on the shovel
etc.
- Allow, tvsh major.
He takes a shovel from the shield and throws it out.
- So, cross out everything, write - there is no shovel.

Why am I doing this.
And the fact that the plane has not yet been adopted for service, that no one has ever seen it inside, but 28 have already been found.

[Lamata]

And they found, perhaps without even seeing him once.

[Mathafaka]

Su 57 is not a competitor to the F 35th.
The Americans have other buyers, NATO, Japan, South Korea.

The competitor for the Su 57 will be the Chinese J20.

[Zaurbek]

And you do not give a reason .... F35 program is more open to the public than Su57 ....

[NEXUS]

Quote: Zaurbek

And you do not give a reason .... F35 program is more open to the public than Su57 ....

And from what vegetable is the F-35 fighter of the 5th generation generally, in the absence of cruising supersonic?

[Zaurbek]

So they don’t hide it ....

[Grigory_45]

Quote: NEXUS

And from what vegetable is the F-35 fighter of the 5th generation generally, in the absence of cruising supersonic?

the possibility of access to supersonic in horizontal flight without the use of afterburner - is this so important?
F-35 can support it, after accelerating (using afterburner or dive)

[smaug78]

So far, unfortunately, everything is so, except for "Insufficiently developed stealth technology", as well as radar equipment. This can only be confirmed or refuted by military action. Item number 2 - solvable problems with placement in internal compartments,.

[Uncle Izya]

In the popular publication The National Interest, analyst Dave Majumdar writes that the Su-57 fighter has 2 temporary dual-circuit turbojet engines with an afterburner AL-41F1 of NPO Saturn. In fact, Majumdar emphasizes, these are the same engines that were installed on the existing Su-35S fighter. In the West, the engines used in the Su-57 are considered obsolete, not meeting the standards of the fifth generation aircraft
Well, 9500 engines are written on the wiki, and afterburner 15000 is actually what only developers know there and the rest is guesses

[Sergey Averchenkov]

There is no SU-57 yet, and many are already writing - some out of envy, some out of fear, some out of hatred ... Sometimes it’s even good.

[Uncle Izya]

Yes, they’ve finished it for 10 years, and it’s more complicated than the MiG-29 and Su-27 that the new sanctions materials slowed down with the supply of aggregates

[Uncle Izya]

It's okay about the f-35, they also write nasty things. Well, that doesn't stop them from selling.

[rocket757]

Most of the "claims" will disappear by itself when the plane goes into production, that's all.
Do according to plan, what you need and that's it.

[cniza]

Let them bark to health, but we need to make a quality product ...

[rocket757]

Everything is correct. Necha twitches, calmly doing what is needed.
It’s better to try on a hundred times than then to alter ... if at all.

[cniza]

So they provoke us so that we hurry and make mistakes ...

[rocket757]

In different ways, in different ways, they didn’t mutter there, and they have one real competitor / annihilator!

[Grigory_45]

Quote: cniza

so we hurry

We were in a hurry ??? Yes, we are moving with snail steps according to this program. The plane should have been “put on the wing” for a long time and put at least one regiment in the Air Force - for trial operation. Only real operation An airplane can reveal all its flaws and childhood illnesses.
mattresses, by the way, are engaged in this - if their "Lightning" did not fly, then the list of shortcomings would be an order of magnitude less. Without operating the equipment, it is impossible to identify its weak points, and, accordingly, eliminate them. Can't bring a non-flying plane

[wisealtair]

Lightning has a completely different concept of testing - to finish everything on the go. The aircraft was actually sold before official adoption, its deliveries began in the US Air Force and allied countries, and it was not even officially approved by the Pentagon for military tests! It was supplied with inoperative electronics, even an oxygen station did not work on it (a flight ban was even declared until this defect was eliminated). Then Lockheed invoiced customers for very indecent amounts of money to finish off the planes on the spot. If the KLA delivers such a crude product to the videoconferencing system, then it will simply be punished with a huge fine, and some will be fired. True, this is basically impossible, because The videoconferencing simply does not sign the test acceptance documentation. Il-112 VKS refused to buy, they said - redo (and redo). The Americans have a completely different concept of production and sale of the product, as well as its imposition: any rubbish is sold, and only afterwards to finish it.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: wisealtair

a completely different test concept - to finish everything on the go.

This is normal practice for all absolutely countries. It is impossible to create such a complex object as a modern combat aircraft from scratch. Especially the next generation.
About what benefits promise the launch of a limited series and its operation in the sun - wrote above. You apparently inattentively read.

Quote: wisealtair

At lightning

do not blame the Americans. We need to deal with our military-industrial complex, and not nod to our neighbors. On nods all the forces and go, apparently.

Quote: wisealtair

If the KLA delivers such a crude product to the videoconferencing system, then it will simply be punished with a huge fine, and some will be fired.

nonsense. They drove the raw Tu-22 (which Tupolev, in order to eliminate the jambs, had to redesign almost all of it again, turning it into a Tu-22M). Su-27 went raw, Su-24, I am silent about the T-64 tank. You, instead of writing the greatest nonsense, read the history of the creation and operation of weapons models. Wipe your pants on the Internet - and all to no avail

It is better to have a raw car than not to have any. And after the Su-57s begin to be exploited intensively, do you think the jambs will not come out? Yes, a whole heap. It is better to let them form earlier - they will eliminate it faster than they will eliminate it not on the first youth plane

Quote: wisealtair

The Americans have a completely different concept of production and sale of the product, as well as its imposition

yeah, so they impose Lightning on Turkey, so they impose it, and Erdogan fights off and fights off ...)))

[cniza]

Foreign media openly use any pretext, any event even indirectly related to the Su-57 (like the death of an Algerian general) to once again criticize the Russian plane.

It would be strange if they did not do this, and so everything goes as it should ...

[Nikolay87]

The title says "myths" but the author does not provide a single proof of this.

[stepka_razin]

It turns out all the lies, and we already have 2000 serial su-57s with a second-stage engine, flat nozzles, sane afar and long-range missiles?
Well, I’ll go and see if it’s the author who gave out information about the absence of f-35 afar, but his presence on the su-57
Yes, it's you "In addition, the Su-57 is equipped with radars with an active phased antenna array, which monitor airspace for hundreds of kilometers. The F-35, like the F-22, does not have such a radar."
https://topwar.ru/167627-bystree-dalshe-i-manevrennee-v-chem-su-57-prevoshodit-f-35.html

VO is not good to publish articles with fake information

[wisealtair]

In my opinion, the quoted phrase does not say at all that F22 and F35 lack AFAR. It’s not good not to be able to read in Russian.

[Shteffan]

Article by nothing, transfusion from empty to empty. No semantic load. What about the debunking of myths?

[Boar38]

The Hindus recently scolded Russian tanks, and then rushed to ask the Russian Federation for a license to continue production of the T-90 in India ... The buzz of the Indians on the Su-57 is due to the refusal of the Russian Federation to transfer the key Su-57 technologies to India, so the Indians in transferring key technologies to their cars, to their disappointment, were refused in the west ...

[wisealtair]

In fact, the same Indians then joyfully squealed that they liked the Su-57 and they would buy it as soon as it began to arrive in series in the Russian Air Force.
Statements of the Indians are not related to the desire to acquire technology. They cannot simply be physically mastered, even if passed to them. It’s like transferring a monkey to a computer. Their statement is due to the fact that they simply do not have money and they save, and changed their minds about investing in the development of a 5th generation fighter. They want to buy a finished car, and preferably cheaper, without investing a penny of their money in the development and production.

[Knell wardenheart]

Liberals are to blame for the fact that Russian planes are falling in general :-)
However, the author apparently poorly (or selectively) reads extracts from foreign media - China, which speaks quite a lot and skeptically about our aircraft, and certainly did not accept mentioning its brainchild, can compete for the place of our main critic of the Su-57 with the United States for a long time. the same "dark horse".
Now all this stealth orgy is, in fact, an attempt by all developed countries to shove their "pig in a poke", both from the point of view of rubbing horror on their opponents, and from the point of view of concluding promising import contracts.
An airplane is like an airplane - it flies, avionics is modern, from the 5th generation they expect undoubtedly low visibility as the basis of the battle concept, and as the second pillar of this concept - accurate, long-range missiles with a good target detection system. A sort of flying sniper in general. Of course, the question arises here - which of these three factors is priority? The Americans are making an obvious air "sniper", which in their view will effectively combine control over the situation, range, stealth as a tool of their survival / penetration and reconnaissance. The Chinese are creating an aircraft that is probably aimed at the maximum demolition of the American concept - minimum RCS, maximum maneuverability and domination through combat at medium distances. Apparently, our concept is generally skeptical about all these games in the distance of detection and attack - certainly taking into account both, we, however, have the impression that we are again making a good and classic aircraft as part of a complex of forces. That is, not dueling or counter-dueling. Probably our experts believe that, firstly, avionics and maneuverability are a priority, and secondly, we view the fighter as part of a complex of forces, and not as an extremely powerful and self-sufficient means.
So we should not be upset by the misunderstanding of potential buyers of our concept - it is quite traditional for us to create equipment for a complex of other means, and not for counteraction / race with individual foreign models.

[honest people]

Quote: Lipchanin

Well, since they were so amicable on the Su-57, it means the car was a success. If there was a bad plane, they wouldn’t want it like that.

You kremlebots Lakhtinsky what is written in manuals? praise everything that has no analogue in the world

[honest people]

Already rubbed corns rubbed!

[wisealtair]

The 2014 statements were absolutely true - given that if there were no SANCTIONS. Anti-Russian bots are silent about the fact that after 2014, the foreign element base in the Su-57 had to be replaced with a Russian one, and in order to do this, whole plants had to be built from scratch. I repeat once again: whole production. And then design the necessary components and systems and test them, make changes to the initial project, which had a completely different specification. Those. the fact that by 2020 Su57 reached serial production is simply a miracle; for this, the UAC must have worked 24 days without holidays or weekends.

[hsam]

I think this is a large and powerful aircraft that can compete fiercely with American aircraft

[wisealtair]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: Vlad5307

there is no urgent need to increase the production of Su-57, because shtatovskie machines can also be called a full stretch of the 5th generation

I will get involved in a useless argument "who has longer" (who has better / worse planes and who matches what), but I will tell you one time-tested axiom: it is better to have 10 thousand mediocre tanks than excellent cars, but in the amount of a hundred. They just won't solve anything on the battlefield. I hope the meaning and analogy are clear?

In addition to tanks, we still need to build kindergartens, schools and roads, pay salaries to doctors and teachers. If you want as many Su57s as F35s are released, you simply destroy the Russian economy and eat doshirak instead of bread and butter, if you don't die of starvation at all. One and a half trillion American money has been invested in F35, in INTERNATIONAL cooperation. Funding went directly from several countries, and plants for the production of complete sets are located in several countries. And then, so far the F35 has not been brought to mind.
Russia makes the Su57 absolutely ONE. Exclusively only at the expense of their own production, only their own brains and their own, very modest money.
Everything needs a reasonable balance. Here is an order for 75 Su-57, - this is just the very reasonable amount that is needed for this period.

[Yegor Bulavkin]

if foreign partners are discussing, then the plane is excellent.