Sohu: In the US, they produce as many F-35s in a week as the Russians plan to launch Su-57s in a year


In China, they decided to analyze the volume of fifth-generation aircraft production. The author in the Sohu publication writes about the complexity of competition in this regard with the United States of America, which established the mass production of F-35 fighters.


From the article:

Let's compare the pace of production of new generation aircraft. The Americans plan to release 2020 F-130 fighters in 35, and the Russians, for example, only three Su-57s. What kind of competition with the USA can we talk about now, if for years they built their production line, starting with previous versions of the new generation fighters (apparently, we are talking about the F-22, - note “VO”).

Additionally notes that the competitive advantages of the F-35 are also growing, as "its price has fallen to $ 89 million."

From the material:

The annual production capacity of the Su-57 in Russia corresponds to about a weekly production capacity of the F-35 in the United States, even if mass production with deliveries to the troops is officially launched in Russia. That is, the Americans release as much per week as the Russians are going to release in a year.

Further, Sohu offers to figure out how many J-20 fighters China plans to release this year.

From an article in the military section of the Chinese portal:
As far as we know, today in the ranks of the PLA Air Force are 18 J-20 fighters. This year it is planned to release up to 30 of these aircraft. But if production potentials are increased to more impressive values, a new problem will arise: the presence of the required number of trained pilots. And in this regard, it is also extremely difficult to compete with the United States.
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  1. Livonetc 14 February 2020 11: 44 New
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    What to say.
    The USA and China do not relax.
    They work intensively.
    We are not yet finalizing as it should.
    1. figwam 14 February 2020 11: 53 New
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      Unfortunately, our assembly rates for aircraft and helicopters are good only for peacetime, but in the case of serious hostilities we will not be able to make up for the losses.
      1. Snail N9 14 February 2020 11: 56 New
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        He is "bad" (F-35) ..... "worthless" .... winked
        1. kjhg 14 February 2020 12: 04 New
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          Now our "patriots" of them hats Yars thrown on VO
          1. kit88 14 February 2020 15: 04 New
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            So the USA has the task of dominating the whole world. The simultaneous conduct of two victorious local wars with any opponents anywhere in the world. It is clear that for such tasks, you need $ Trillion for military spending, a bunch of weapons and a bunch of "allies" who also want to eat.
            The tasks of the Russian Federation are completely different, even not closely comparable with those of the United States. We don’t need someone else’s, but we won’t give up ours either.
            1. mat-vey 14 February 2020 15: 39 New
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              Quote: kit88
              The tasks of the Russian Federation are completely different, even not closely comparable with those of the United States. We don’t need someone else’s, but we won’t give up ours either.

              But we can sell ...
              1. Irokez 14 February 2020 16: 46 New
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                Quote: mat-vey
                But we can sell

                Like everything in the world.
            2. Karaul14 14 February 2020 21: 40 New
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              Quote: kit88
              We don’t need a stranger
              In each country, historians in schools tell what their country is good and noble, but Russia is the largest country in the world by territory for a reason and it needs a different story from the whole, the USSR is no exception, and the Russian Federation is no exception.
              1. djdf.tvtkz 14 February 2020 23: 56 New
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                So you better learn history. England, given its former colonies, the territory is much larger than Russia, the colony is part of the state that was conquered. It’s just that some people refused the colonies, and some who believe that, for example, Chukotka, is not a colony but part of the state, as it is now, yes, but in fact it is no different from a regular colony.
                1. Karaul14 16 February 2020 17: 37 New
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                  Quote: djdf.tvtkz
                  So you better learn history. England
                  And here is England, that's where I wrote, or compared with England?
            3. djdf.tvtkz 14 February 2020 23: 51 New
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              It's not about trillions, it's about production technologies and labor productivity. Why not in trillions ??? it’s all simple, for example, there are two workers (the population in each country has a certain amount), give them at least a trillion dollars, and they won’t be able to release more planes than their physical capabilities, it’s technology and automation of production that help a lot, so it turns out , what do we do a dozen workers have one. The dollar is just a piece of paper, people also make machines for aircraft parts, it’s for sure that they make them much worse or don’t even do it, like a chisel, sandpaper, a file .....
      2. Dima_Anlim 14 February 2020 12: 03 New
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        three crude, unfinished, with no understand what and what "stage" fighter engines per year - is the pace "good for peacetime"?
        1. figwam 14 February 2020 12: 13 New
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          Quote: Snail N9
          He is "bad" (F-35) ..... "worthless".

          I agree..
          Quote: Dima_Anlim
          three raw

          The start of serial production always goes slower, in general, we collect 10-12 aircraft of the same type each year (Su-30, Su-34, Su-35), the Su-57 will reach the same pace, 76 units ordered. until 2028.
          1. hydrox 14 February 2020 12: 22 New
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            Some unknown agency is puffing up to give the analyst without owning the material.
            Who is now interested in commercial advantages, if the MILITARY advantages are not known primarily?
            1. Roman070280 14 February 2020 13: 05 New
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              Well, yes .. 1,5 hundreds of tigers compared with three, even lions .. and still manage to remember at the same time about some fight и the benefits..))
              1. Roman1970_1 14 February 2020 14: 39 New
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                The example is not good. The tiger in nature is the largest and most powerful lion.
                1. Roman070280 14 February 2020 14: 47 New
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                  Yes there no matter how you change ..))
                2. vvnab 16 February 2020 11: 03 New
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                  In the tiger’s fight with the lion, the tiger has no chance, despite the fact that the tiger is larger. And this is not an empty assumption. In the USA in the XNUMXth century, such fights were widespread entertainment. There is even research on this topic. Can be found on the net.
                  Experienced bears used to defeat lions, but tigers are not fighters at all.
              2. Ratmir_Ryazan 14 February 2020 14: 51 New
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                Well, yes .. 1,5 hundred tigers compared with three, even lions .. and still manage to remember at the same time about some kind of battle and advantages ..))


                Vietnam had hundreds of times less airplanes and helicopters, and even the most advanced MiG-21s were inferior to the US Phantoms in terms of performance characteristics, but this did not stop Vietnam from destroying nearly 4000 aircraft and 6000 US helicopters in that war with Soviet weapons !!!

                Well, is it worth Russia to chase the United States and NATO in terms of the number of aircraft ?!

                No, we keep parity in the air with the US using ground-based air defense, it’s simpler and cheaper, and aviation is going as an addition, as an operational reserve.

                And we make airplanes as much as we need to ensure the security of our country and protect its interests.

                We do not need to tear the veins and the economy to make the 400-500 Su-57 right now. Everything goes as it should, the plane is under construction, the first contract is signed, another contract will be built.

                And the Chinese with such articles in the media just want to mask their problems in aviation with the situation in Russia, only the situation is different, they are the ones with us and the S-400 air defense systems who buy engines for their planes, and not us with them.
                1. Irokez 14 February 2020 17: 02 New
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                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  Is Russia worth chasing the United States and NATO in terms of aircraft?

                  That's right - not worth it.
                  We make other planes of the previous generation that are almost on par with theirs today and ours are constantly being upgraded according to plan, from which the combat potential is supported. The quantity in one is leveled by quality in another and parity is achieved. And do you really need Su-57 in large quantities when there is a Su-35 in many respects par with the 5th generation, run-in, reliable and formidable and other brands of aircraft at the proper level are produced and sold in other countries.
                  So nefig the Chinese to compare the number of aircraft produced and their quality with economic and military feasibility. After all, if a big trouble begins, then the planes do not fly in the air because of fear of being shot down, lack of fuel during intensive flights, ammunition, breakdowns, under-equipment of any equipment, and so on, and the batchcups will start flying with their unpretentiousness.
                  Aviation is good, of course, and it is needed, but missiles that destroy aviation are still larger and several dozen times. Most of the problems will be from drones and this is a new trend that is gaining momentum.
                  1. djdf.tvtkz 15 February 2020 15: 32 New
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                    Strategies Mlyn. The plane still needs to be shot down, but so far there have been no examples of successful work against the fifth generation of our air defense. The plane, in fact, does not have to fly the whole war constantly, destroying strategic objects and targets, as well as enemy aviation so that it does not destroy strategic goals alien to it, it is impossible to deploy air defense everywhere, and there are a lot of methods to overcome it and suppress Israel, for some reason, sneeze Israel in Syria this is air defense, and its missiles are constantly breaking through air defense means. A drone robot is of course a panacea for some, some do not catch up with it, that this drone in speed, invisibility and armament should be no worse than a bird with a person, otherwise it is useless, so consider that we will release three su57 and three robots for three hundred of them, nonsense. It is necessary to develop your aviation unambiguously, and leave the goleted show-offs aside.
              3. SAG
                SAG 14 February 2020 21: 51 New
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                Quote: Roman070280
                Well, yes .. 1,5 hundreds of tigers compared with three, even lions .. and still manage to remember at the same time about some fight и the benefits..))

                Well, firstly, the tiger is more likely to drag the lion, because the mass is larger (and the video is not difficult to find a circus). And secondly, the United States released even fewer fighters to gain air supremacy this year than Russia laughing... The pace of the f-35 impresses with this truth, but it is necessary to compare it with the Su-34. !!! If the Chinese begin to make 5th generation quadrocopters at 1000 per day, it will be just as stupid to compare it with f-35
                1. hydrox 15 February 2020 05: 29 New
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                  You see, it is difficult for liberoids to somehow objectively evaluate the advantages and disadvantages of their beloved Yusov devices, but in real life they release a number of "pieces" that can not fly in a week, and in order to remove all the jambs (with which they are born this "gun") and turn a pile of iron into a plane, it will take months VERY expensive work VERY qualified staff ... laughing
          2. Dima_Anlim 14 February 2020 12: 22 New
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            By the year 28, all the earlier SU-57s already assembled before this will have to be modernized again and brought to the modern level. For what is being put on them now will become obsolete again in 8 years. And this is not a drill upgrade tested by time, conflicts and exploitation of a serial model in the tail and mane, it is a cut of the budget boble.
            1. figwam 14 February 2020 12: 30 New
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              Quote: Dima_Anlim
              By the year 28, all the earlier SU-57s already assembled before this will have to be modernized again and brought to the modern level.

              In the production of aircraft, modernization is carried out in parallel, this is normal practice. The same F-35s have many differences from series to series, so half of them do not fly because modernization is already required.
              1. Dima_Anlim 14 February 2020 12: 51 New
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                Do not compare the capacities of the US industry and other foreign suppliers with the capacities of production and modernization of the Russian military-industrial complex. Carrying such nonsense is not permissible for adults. Although judging by your "rank" in VO - you are the same cheers patriot, constantly drumming in the chest. How did they reach the rank of lieutenant general of the VKS? Scribbled a billion cheers quacking comments? How many regiments of the videoconferencing command?
                1. figwam 14 February 2020 13: 07 New
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                  Quote: Dima_Anlim
                  Do not compare the capacities of the US industry and other foreign suppliers with the capacities of production and modernization of the Russian military-industrial complex

                  What does the power of the USA have to do with it? Our capacities are enough to modernize our aircraft, the Su-24M is being modernized, the new Su-34 will be modernized after Syria, the next will be the Su-30SM, the Tu-160 will be modernized, the Tu-22M3 will be modernized, the Tu-95MS will be modernized, the Tu-142 will be modernized, IL- 76 being modernized; MiG-31 being modernized, etc.
                  Quote: Dima_Anlim
                  you are the same cheer patriot

                  Judging by your rank, you are the same troll)))
                  Quote: Dima_Anlim
                  How did they reach the rank of lieutenant general of the VKS? Scribbled a billion cheers quacking comments? How many regiments of the videoconferencing command?

                  Dima got into his tank and scribble his American cocks there!
                  1. polar fox 14 February 2020 13: 58 New
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                    Quote: figvam
                    Our capacities are enough to modernize our aircraft,

                    I would also be glad with you, but I don’t feel like it ... the youngest hard worker on modernization, well over 50 ... there are sorely lacking workers with qualifications. Moreover, everywhere, both in the aircraft industry and in shipbuilding ...
                    1. figwam 14 February 2020 14: 15 New
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                      Quote: polar fox
                      .the youngest hard worker on modernization, well over 50 ...

                      The average age in the military-industrial complex decreased to 45 years, and was 58! So there are changes for the better.
                      1. mat-vey 14 February 2020 15: 42 New
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                        Quote: figvam
                        The average age in the military-industrial complex decreased to 45 years, and was 58! So there are changes for the better.

                        What, young secretaries scored?
                      2. Comrade Michael 14 February 2020 16: 38 New
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                        Of my age (48 years), those who were two-year-olds and three-year-olds at the institute remained in the profession ...
                      3. Irokez 14 February 2020 17: 08 New
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                        Quote: Comrade Michael
                        Of my age (48 years), those who were dvoeshnikami and trioshniki at the institute remained in the profession.

                        By the way, these are the most quick-witted and quick-changing people. That is, when they studied, they lagged behind in development and training, but then they gained momentum and mastered everything, but excellent students quickly overheat and can only copy and imitate perfectly and they will never be leaders in any business - these are excellent performers (consider robots).
                      4. Comrade Michael 14 February 2020 17: 18 New
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                        They suck. I know everyone personally ...) You turned everything upside down. All that you write has nothing to do with reality, a set of misconceptions. I’m just now dealing with personnel, I have some experience in people, I’m still a psychologist. By the way, the result of their activities is visible - it is not))). Everything that you see, including the SU-57, was started long ago ... I spoke personally with many people who started this whole topic.
                      5. Irokez 14 February 2020 17: 29 New
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                        Well, in fairness, I must say that grades in school and college are not an indicator of a person’s abilities. Everyone has different inclinations and inclinations, and losing in one wins in the other. The most optimal are the good guys (almost universal).
                2. hydrox 15 February 2020 05: 40 New
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                  Sergey, liberoids like it when you start to make excuses in front of them - it is in this state that the training manual demands to drive an anally liberal opponent ...
      3. Ka-52 14 February 2020 13: 37 New
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        Dima_Anlim (Dima) Today, 12:22

        By the year 28, all the earlier SU-57s already assembled before this will have to be modernized again and brought to the modern level.

        Go to school with your level of awareness. Any technique modernizes over time. Including your favorite American. The Americans have already carried out 12 upgrades of their F-16s over 40 years from the start of operation. These are engines and avionics and elements of the fuel system and the ejection system and life support systems. Any technique over time becomes obsolete by components. Even in the F-35, upgrades are already underway with an aiming and firing complex, with life support systems and software
      4. NEOZ 14 February 2020 13: 42 New
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        Quote: Dima_Anlim
        And this is not a drill upgrade tested by time, conflicts and exploitation of a serial model in the tail and mane, it is a cut of the budget boble.

        Well, tell us how to do it, and we will listen!
        tell us how you would act, how you would saw the loot!
      5. 5-9
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        Yeah ... the point is that everything today (yesterday I’m not talking about) Fy-35 - raw and unhealthy in one way or another and not the final technical appearance ... by 2028 all the hundreds of Fy-35s that have been made will need to be modernized, either put in reserve. This is a budget cut, and we have just a prudent attitude.
        Therefore, the release of the Fy-35 and the non-release of the Su-57 are good for the Motherland.

        PS: Dreams, but the Su-57 would be completed, the engines of the second stage would be completely ready, yes, 100 units a year ... we will leave it in the dreams section.
      6. Ratmir_Ryazan 14 February 2020 15: 00 New
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        By the year 28, all the earlier SU-57s already assembled before this will have to be modernized again and brought to the modern level.


        Don't rubbish, to the level of Su-57, the same F-35 is half a generation, and the Chinese fighter even more.

        Su-57 - faster, flies further, takes more weapons on board and the radius of this weapon is also larger, while the aircraft has low visibility technology and excellent maneuverability which is necessary not for close combat, as ignoramuses often shout, but primarily for committing missile defense maneuvers.
        1. Vladivostok1969 14 February 2020 15: 13 New
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          Don't rubbish, to the level of Su-57, the same F-35 is half a generation, and the Chinese fighter even more.

          Su-57 - faster, flies further, takes more weapons on board and the radius of this weapon is also larger, while the aircraft has low visibility technology and excellent maneuverability which is necessary not for close combat, as ignoramuses often shout, but primarily for committing missile defense maneuvers]

          That's just the engine for the fifth generation fighter is not.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan 14 February 2020 15: 30 New
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            That's just the engine for the fifth generation fighter is not.


            Who told you that?

            The engine of the first stage, the one that now stands on the Su-57 - AL-41F1, this engine fully meets the requirement for 5th generation aircraft, providing it with cruising speed without afterburner of more than Mach 1, that is, supersonic.

            For comparison, the cruising speed of the F-35 is 850 km / h.

            The engine of the second stage will be even better and provide even less thermal visibility of the Su-57.
      7. Slon379 14 February 2020 17: 46 New
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        It depends on how much stock you invest. An example of TU-160 is indicative.
  • avia12005 14 February 2020 12: 09 New
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    Serdyukov will do everything. He is a talented manager.
    1. Private-K 14 February 2020 22: 29 New
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      Serdyukov, being the head of the tax system, TWENTY times increased budget revenues at the beginning of the zero years.
      Including I was able to make oil workers pay taxes.
  • senima56 14 February 2020 13: 43 New
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    "... our pace of assembly of airplanes and helicopters is good only for peacetime ..." - what do you think, these pace are "good" ?! fool
    What civilians, what military aircraft are we collecting “piece by piece” and this is “good pace” ?! A shame! negative
    1. hydrox 15 February 2020 05: 53 New
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      In principle, not only can we double, but also increase the output of weapons at a working production - production will pull, but at the same time it will have to reduce the flow of funds to social programs, education, infrastructure by the same number of times - Russia does not print money as fast as USA ...
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        Quote: hydrox
        In principle, not only can we double, but also increase the output of weapons at a working production - production will pull, but at the same time it will have to reduce the flow of funds to social programs, education, infrastructure by the same number of times - Russia does not print money as fast as USA ...
        Oh, and the printers went on strike?
      2. hydrox 16 February 2020 10: 23 New
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        In, how liberoids are rooting at the mention of Russia with a kind word - they can’t eat if such a post is not cleared!
  • Winnie76 14 February 2020 14: 41 New
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    Quote: figvam
    Unfortunately, our assembly rates for aircraft and helicopters are good only for peacetime, but in the case of serious hostilities we will not be able to make up for the losses.

    Do we have wartime now? In the USSR, tanks were being pressed with terrible force, and where is that USSR now? The result is a bunch of tanks at storage bases, but there is nothing for the people to eat. We definitely do not need to set records in military aircraft construction. The main thing is to ensure the renewal of the existing fleet, and, if possible, sale for export.
    1. Vladivostok1969 14 February 2020 15: 17 New
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      Do we have wartime now? In the USSR, tanks were being pressed with terrible force, and where is that USSR now? The result is a bunch of tanks at storage bases, but there is nothing for the people to eat. We definitely do not need to set records in military aircraft construction. The main thing is to ensure the renewal of the existing fleet, and, if possible, export sales

      Today eat everyone has. Especially for pensioners.
      1. Adimius38 15 February 2020 00: 37 New
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        if there is nothing to protect the country then you will have nothing to eat
  • ROSS_51 14 February 2020 22: 39 New
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    Quote: figvam
    Unfortunately, our assembly rates for aircraft and helicopters are good only for peacetime, but in the case of serious hostilities we will not be able to make up for the losses.

    What kind of modern military operations do you consider serious between the USA and Russia?
  • Adimius38 15 February 2020 00: 33 New
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    I am afraid that in the case of wartime, we will remove the IL-2 from the pedestal and put into battle
  • 2112vda 15 February 2020 09: 04 New
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    I am not sure that in a protracted conflict they will be fought with these very aircraft. Slowly they will "switch" to older models up to propeller airplanes.
  • Voyager 16 February 2020 02: 05 New
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    The time has come that in the event of serious hostilities it will not be possible to stamp new aircraft even under ideal conditions. Too complicated cars.
  • gridasov 14 February 2020 12: 00 New
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    Do not modify? Or maybe it’s worth saying that the war has already been lost and tomorrow there will be no agreements with partners, but the direct implementation of their instructions.
    1. bessmertniy 14 February 2020 12: 19 New
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      You have to work on yourself what and then we will also have hundreds of new fighters and many, many fellow good pilots who can raise them against our enemies ..
    2. NEOZ 14 February 2020 13: 43 New
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      Quote: gridasov
      tomorrow there will be no agreements with partners, but direct implementation of their instructions.

      when the "tomorrow" comes, then let’s say!
      1. gridasov 14 February 2020 14: 33 New
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        Hop, and it has already arrived. Remember your childhood and youth. Alas, everything is much more fleeting. And given the mass of inhibitory effects of intelligence, then we will be tomorrow
    3. Ka-52 14 February 2020 13: 44 New
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      Do not modify? Or maybe it’s worth saying that the war has already been lost and tomorrow there will be no agreements with partners, but the direct implementation of their instructions.

      here all-crawlers got excited. Now they will explain how to design and build aircraft)) but in reality they will not distinguish the stringer from the spar laughing
      1. gridasov 14 February 2020 14: 35 New
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        Yes, but here and the mass of clowns are not able to describe the physical processes on the propeller blades and turbines. Not distinguishing turbulence from laminarity.
        1. Sadam 14 February 2020 19: 44 New
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          here 98% are not specialists; I myself am like that. at least the public is decent and do not swear obscenities))) here you will meet me in the marine power plants there, I’m a little smart.
          the thought was conveyed and this is quite))
          1. gridasov 14 February 2020 20: 42 New
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            Let me tell you about ship power plants! In addition, I howl with wolves, with decent people I speak their language. And nothing personal at all. So do not take it to yourself.
      2. Comrade Michael 14 February 2020 16: 46 New
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        Power differs from non-power spar in what way? And what are the features of designing composite structures? What should be given increased attention?
  • Letun 14 February 2020 12: 22 New
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    And we will not modify it. Young people don’t go to factories, but to Eldorado and M-video by sales assistants, but it’s not clear what offices are involved in comprehensible reports. Who should plan planes on an industrial scale?
    1. dvina71 14 February 2020 12: 29 New
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      Quote: Letun
      Young people do not go to factories, but to Eldorada and M-video by sales consultants,

      Yeah. I’m sitting in a car near such a hypermarket .., took the load from them .. And that's strange .. all the workers I met here .. starting from the legal manager and ending with the truck driver .. have a suspicious southern accent .. Girl manager so touchingly trying to hide it .. or get rid, but these O and sho .... and climb ..
    2. gridasov 14 February 2020 13: 31 New
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      Exactly ! Do not impose a love of technology, but contribute to the development of those who have this desire and talent. A real engineer, constructor, a person who understands the issues and scouring for new solutions is the basis of the industrial world. Man is the highest value and driving force of development. Oh, how few of them!
  • Karaul14 14 February 2020 21: 43 New
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    Quote: Livonetc
    We are not yet finalizing as it should.
    Well, yes, "bye", here again there will be a second economy in the world and it will be immediately worked out as it should, but until it reaches the states a little, you will think there, the difference in GDP is 17 times)))
  • Stas Snezhin 14 February 2020 22: 11 New
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    No money ...... Well .. you hold on! ))))
  • Andrey the Magnificent 14 February 2020 11: 45 New
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    And their quality is also at a "height"! ??
    How to launch the serial production, then we'll see!
    And before that it makes no sense to compare !!!
    1. hydrox 15 February 2020 06: 03 New
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      And now there is no point in comparing - these are machines for different purposes and therefore different possibilities and strapping: when they come to work in the conditions of military confrontation - then we'll see who will miss what ...
  • Whalebone 14 February 2020 11: 45 New
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    Compare a serial product with an experienced one? For what purpose? Over a decade, the Su-30,34,35 in commodity quantities were released and delivered to the VKS not by the Martians, but by the Russian aircraft industry. Article again niochem.
    1. Dima_Anlim 14 February 2020 12: 06 New
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      maybe it’s worth reading what the article is about and seeing what the article is about? There we are talking about the SU-57, and its direct competitors - aircraft of the 5th generation. What does the Su-30 and others? Can then remind you how many F-16s and other aircraft produced and at what pace?
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        1. Dima_Anlim 14 February 2020 12: 58 New
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          In the example about Syria, I completely agree with you. However, the Sohu article does not discuss the use of aircraft in combat conditions, but the serial production of military aircraft of the 5th generation of the largest military powers. Production. Polymers and more - this is a withdrawal towards those very comprehensive ... s. Do not compare healthy skeptics and these same liberoids. By the way, you just take the discussion aside, without any arguments. In the article about production, you are talking about carpet bombing. And do not poke me, I'm not your friend.
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            Quote: Dima_Anlim
            I'm not your friend.

            Firstly .. in friendships I did not stuff. You ... this is a sign of respect ... you have to earn it ..
            Secondly .. I don’t care .. for you or for you .. I’m not worried about the increased FAQ.
            Quote: Dima_Anlim
            mass production
            Discuss production without application? Well, they stamped a thousand .. And? What efficiency? At the level of aircraft of the second world? And then it makes sense to speak for production?
            Quote: Dima_Anlim
            By the way, you just take the discussion aside, without any arguments.

            Combat effectiveness is not an argument? However .. live a century learn .... if only not to be called bad ....
    2. Roman070280 14 February 2020 13: 08 New
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      Compare a serial product with an experienced one?

      Apache and speech ..))
      Compare hundreds of ready-made combat aircraft with what is not (and will not be in the future) .. nothing ..))
  • Labrador 14 February 2020 11: 46 New
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    You can’t even argue, Poseidon them in the bay ...
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      Interestingly, how many of them are Poseidons under Russian bases?
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        Interestingly, how many of them are Poseidons under Russian bases?

        Energy flows whisper to me ... that there isn’t ... The problem is with a compact and powerful and long-lasting engine ... or propulsor ... or rather ..
        1. gridasov 14 February 2020 14: 07 New
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          It is the Russians who manipulate information such as hyperspeed aircraft, Poseidons. It is convenient for them to do such throw-ins that you really need to somehow maintain a balance. Amer doesn’t need such manipulations. They have a really flexible production technology and a lack of ideas. And this is obvious! But the worst is not even the current situation. The trends and prospects are terrible. For the power and the people are insulting!
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            Quote: gridasov
            It is the Russians who manipulate information such as hyper-speed aircraft

            This is not advice .. wish .. wish, do not be distracted from the topic of energy flows ... I'm afraid your flimsy mind can not stand multi-station.
            1. gridasov 14 February 2020 15: 35 New
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              You are afraid, that means you are already addicted. And for my flimsy mind you worry in vain. Not many people are able to simultaneously build not only contrast models, but even more so multipolar ones. So, you don’t even have to criticize me in the stall. What a holy naivety!
              1. gridasov 14 February 2020 15: 56 New
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                The bitter and naked truth that a second combat helicopter was shot down in Syria. Like seeds. Is this not an indicator of the inferiority of technology. These are not completed tasks and the loss of people. Therefore, no one will shut up my mouth that new opportunities are hidden only in new engines, but in the engine it is clear that the most important thing.
  • Sergei 777 14 February 2020 11: 46 New
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    Unfortunately, this is true, the pace of construction of the Su 57 will not be on par. And it can easily happen that by the year 2030-35 some sort of Italy will have more fifth-generation aircraft than in Russia.
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      by 2030-35, some kind of Italy will have more fifth-generation aircraft than in Russia.

      This is a very optimistic forecast. Everything goes to the point that in this decade Poland will have more 5 generation aircraft than Russia.
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        You will calculate the total amount of those who are on the side of the United States, and who are with Russia. Something ugly turns out.
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        This is a very optimistic forecast. Everything goes to the point that in this decade Poland will have more 5 generation aircraft than Russia.

        And what does that change? At least the tenth generation, if all these airfields are in the zone of destruction of the Iskanders. Bulging one component does not solve anything.
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        I am happy for the Poles, let them put their money in for maintenance, the Americans will not pay for them, and the F-35 is very expensive to maintain, even if it does not fly ... The Americans themselves constantly complain about this matter, it is worth reading their press. In short, you want to ruin the state, sell him Amer’s planes)) and the more the sooner ... however, the Russian proverb says "And what for a goat bayan"
  • Cottodraton 14 February 2020 11: 50 New
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    If necessary, they may well increase volumes to other values. It's funny to read that.
  • We_smart 14 February 2020 11: 50 New
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    The USA is not there alone, many help them.
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    2. knn54 14 February 2020 12: 10 New
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      There are no sanctions on them.
  • LMN
    LMN 14 February 2020 11: 53 New
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    Heh ... they print money a week, how much are we a year lol
    1. dvina71 14 February 2020 12: 02 New
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      Heh ... they print money a week, how much are we a year

      They print, and we earn .. Immediately minus ... more than 40% of US GDP is exchange fraud ... banal speculation .. for the minuscule minus percentage of ipo. And another huge imbalance in foreign trade .., towards consumption ...
      Although Trump needs to be given credit .. he understands this and is trying to solve it in the simplest way .. chop off a piece of the highly profitable hydrocarbon market ..
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        LMN 14 February 2020 12: 13 New
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        They print, and we earn .. Immediately minus ... more than 40% of the US GDP is exchange fraud .. banal speculation ..

        Yes. Actually, that was what I meant. hi
        1. vadsonen 14 February 2020 13: 07 New
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          Well so forward - turn on the printing press! But here it turns out that nobody needs rubles, and everyone likes “dirty green papers”.
          Especially they are loved by domestic authorities. Resources are exported for dollars, including to Europe, the country's GDP is measured in dollars, and the ruble is set against the dollar.
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            LMN 14 February 2020 13: 34 New
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            Quote: vadsonen
            Well so forward - turn on the printing press! But here it turns out that nobody needs rubles, and everyone likes “dirty green papers”.
            Especially they are loved by domestic authorities. Resources are exported for dollars, including to Europe, the country's GDP is measured in dollars, and the ruble is set against the dollar.

            I think there is a serious mistake in your thesis.
            "dirty green pieces of paper" everyone loves.

            This is not love, this is a necessary measure! For the Russian Federation it is not as important as for others, but we also have to take this factor into account.
            Not very clear your scumbag hi
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              Quote: LMN
              This is not love, it is a necessary measure!

              og ... Colonel Zakharchenko, Senator Arashukov, Colonel FSB Cherkalin, a customs officer with 18 tons of gold and again bucks ... forced Lyuboff, definitely ...
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                . Forced Lyuboff, definitely ...

                They did not want to take this money and gold. But they were forced! It’s even clear who. Tsrushniki and State Department lol
            2. vadsonen 14 February 2020 15: 43 New
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              Not very clear your scumbag

              Everyone was attached to the dollar for a reason. The USA does produce very competitive products, primarily high-tech ones. Because everyone needs a dollar - you can buy a microprocessor, a ready-made phone, a good car, or a superyacht for it. For rubles, none of the above can be bought. And do not about the fact that the store prices in rubles. They are in rubles only because the country has oil-gas-dollars.
              In general, the United States can not be loved (there is a reason), but you should not be neglected.
          2. gridasov 14 February 2020 14: 12 New
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            Rubles are needed domestically to revive the economy.
      2. Sadam 14 February 2020 20: 04 New
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        market capitalization of one microsoft 800 billion; consolidated revenues of the Russian Federation - 600 billion. guess what percentage of the EARNED sale of hydrocarbons)))
        1. gridasov 14 February 2020 20: 53 New
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          Not the sum of the matter. Properly organized financial flows can dramatically revive the economy. I will not go deeper, but the first sign of an ineffective policy in this direction is the inaccessibility of loans in accordance with the fact that they can start to produce and ensure the production of whatever. Plus reasonable protectionism.
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            Properly organized financial flows can dramatically revive the economy [/ quote]
            [quote = gridasov]. Plus reasonable protectionism. [/ Quote]
            And where can you look at this?
  • Zaurbek 14 February 2020 11: 54 New
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    You can add on Su30 / 35/34 and compare with the production of F35 ... and we are unlikely to be in the black.
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      You can add on Su30 / 35/34 and compare with the production of F35 ... and we are unlikely to be in the black.

      And the meaning of this competition? what
      1. Zaurbek 14 February 2020 14: 54 New
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        Defeat in air, and then in ground battles.
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          Defeat in air, and then in ground battles.

          I mean what. lol
          A direct clash of the Russian Air Force against the US Air Force is not expected in the near future. As long as both countries have nuclear deterrence forces, the number of aircraft, this is the third thing request
          But the Russian Federation is famously and mightily building up its non-nuclear potential !!
          Daggers are already hanging on strategists. In a couple of years, we can "kill" any middle European (and not only) country, whether it be Poland, Turkey or anyone else. Moreover, "kill" not with nuclear weapons, but with conventional "offensive" weapons. for a couple of hours.

          Why do we now compete with someone in the number of aircraft ?! what
          1. Zaurbek 14 February 2020 16: 13 New
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            And this is good .... just third countries like Turkey and Poland are actively arming themselves with the same F-35A and smart weapons for them. And intelligence from all of NATO. And the Russian Federation needs to be able to fight conventional weapons with such a country. That's all.
    2. NEXUS 14 February 2020 12: 00 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      You can add on Su30 / 35/34 and compare with the production of F35 ... and we are unlikely to be in the black.

      And if you add to this calculation the air defense system? Who will be in the black?
      1. stepka_razin 14 February 2020 12: 12 New
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        And if you add to this calculation the air defense system? Who will be in the black?

        And in order to definitely be in the black, here we will also add the production of small arms with cartridges, and we will be ahead of the rest in the aircraft industry laughing
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          Quote: stepka_razin
          And in order to definitely be in the black, here we will also add the production of small arms with cartridges, and we will be ahead of the rest in the aircraft industry

          Uti ways, wit self-taught. The fighting is conducted by ALL types of weapons. And to say that some have more planes, and everything was stupid, since this numerical advantage must be realized in real combat conditions. And if the enemy has more air defense systems by the head, and in layered form, then all this advantage in airplanes will rust at airfields, so as not to be pushed down into the ground.
          1. stepka_razin 14 February 2020 12: 23 New
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            Uti ways, wit self-taught. The fighting is conducted by ALL types of weapons. And to say that some have more planes, and everything was gone stupidly

            It is stupid to rely only on nuclear weapons, while not ensuring your fleet and aviation, dear friend
            And if the enemy has more air defense systems by the head, and in layered form, then all this advantage in airplanes will rust at airfields, so as not to be pushed down into the ground.

            The enemy not only has airplanes, but also other means of air destruction, and given the fact that defense and air defense are obviously a losing option that in better cases will bring down 50% of what is flying, and the rest will fall on the objects of cover.
            That your heroic Hurray and beating in the chest do not completely share
            1. NEXUS 14 February 2020 12: 31 New
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              It is stupid to rely only on nuclear weapons, while not ensuring your fleet and aviation, dear friend

              Provide as far as possible. We do not conduct colonial wars, unlike the United States. Why do we need a bloated army and VKS? Schaub was Oh?
              NAO is a guarantee of deterrence, because if not for it, then the Anglo-Saxons have long dared us.
              Quote: stepka_razin
              The enemy not only has airplanes, but also other means of air destruction, and given the fact that defense and air defense are obviously a losing option that in better cases will bring down 50% of what is flying, and the rest will fall on the objects of cover.

              Again idiocy ... I repeat for those who are in the tank-Consider everything is needed in the compartment! Not only air defense and missile defense, but also the fleet and airborne forces will deal with a missile strike at us. And a 50% interception is a good indicator, given that the rest half of the missiles, too, will not all go to the target.
              Quote: stepka_razin
              That your heroic Hurray and beating in the chest do not completely share

              Yes, to me exactly what you share there and to which gods you pray.
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                Yes, to me exactly what you share there and to which gods you pray.

                Well, scream good further on Hurray and throw hats, nevertheless this is your work on this site, although it would be better instead of similar commentators on the RFP, the authorities were worried about real defense
                But apparently I won’t live to such a moment
          2. dauria 14 February 2020 12: 36 New
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            . And to say that some have more planes, and everything disappeared stupidly ...


            A competent comment, Andrew. Hitler did not have a fleet, when compared with England and France. There were even less submarines. And aviation too. And this did not stop him from driving everyone "away" from the Arctic to the Sahara.
            We will have balanced Land - and spit on Europe even without nuclear weapons. And then they forget that the F-35 is primarily product with high added value, timely released to the market. They just successfully sell early tomatoes to everyone. We did not have time. It's a pity of course, but for ourselves for the winter we’ll roll up a couple of cans.
          3. Roman070280 14 February 2020 13: 19 New
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            Fighting is underway ALL types of weapons. And to say that some have more planes, and everything was stupid, since this numerical advantage must be realized in real combat conditions. And if the enemy has more air defense systems and in layered form, then all this advantage in airplanes will rust at airfields,so as not to be stuck in the ground face down.


            Then it can immediately go to the comparison of nuclear weapons ..
            After all, it is the presence of nuclear weapons, to a greater extent, that makes planes rust, so as not to be stuck in the ground .. In other words, it does not allow them to attack us ..
            But, in this situation, is it now impossible to compare fleets of different countries ??
            Yes, and aramty, t90, abramsy to compare whether it makes no sense ??
            Well, the fact that we, in comparison with the USA, does not have a fleet is also not a problem .. after all, "Fighting is conducted by ALL types of weapons" ..
            And small arms are not needed .. why would anyone grieve over a poor machine gun, if you can just remember about a huge supply of missiles ..)) ..
            That's all this is - stupidly ..

            А
            say that some have more planes and everything is gone
            - this is just logical .. For the comparison is about airplanes !!
            And if Vasya has 150 aircraft, and Petya has 3, then in terms of aviation for Petya everything is lost.. (although they can have the same baton of the same length)
            1. NEXUS 14 February 2020 17: 02 New
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              Well, the fact that we have, in comparison with the USA,

              That is, I look below the signatories, comparing ONLY the F-35 and SU-57 quantitatively, in fact they consider the non-nuclear war between the Russian Federation and the USA. It is necessary to compare, dear wiseacre, first of all those states whose doctrines are more or less similar.
              We DO NOT CONDUCT COLONIAL WARS, unlike the USA. We do not have 800 bases all over the world that also need to be equipped with drugs, cover, etc. ... WE WILL NOT CONDUCT WAR FROM THE USA IN A NON-NUCLEAR OPTION.
              The purchase of the weapons that are planned has rational sufficiency. And I repeat, no matter how much the US f-35 is riveted, it’s sideways for us. Why? Because look at the radius of this device, and then at the world map and measure the distance that we have between our borders.
              We are creating weapons to defend our borders in sufficient quantities so that the adversary does not even think of attacking. And for mattresses, two-thirds of all military power in general is concentrated where? In the fleet! That is, all this power is focused on colonial wars, first of all, and the projection of one’s power is not on a neighbor, but on states in another part of the globe.
              So why should we rivet 300 SU-57 a year in peacetime? Someone and I have bitten so much that the slogan is again relevant, everything for the front, everything for victory?
      2. Dima_Anlim 14 February 2020 12: 14 New
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        Firstly, we are talking about 5th generation aircraft. And it was to them that Russian officials ranked the SU-57 with pride. Secondly, you have data on US air defense and the number of zeniths. missiles in warehouses and in BC to each air defense system? Well, at least to ship Aegis? Well, at least approximately you own this (by the way a secret info)? Or according to Russian air defense? Tell us the secret information, and, superagent 008?
        1. NEXUS 14 February 2020 12: 19 New
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          Quote: Dima_Anlim
          Firstly, we are talking about 5th generation aircraft. And it was to them that Russian officials ranked the SU-57 with pride. Secondly, you have data on US air defense and the number of zeniths. missiles in warehouses and in BC to each air defense system? Well, at least to ship Aegis? Well, at least approximately you own this (by the way a secret info)? Or according to Russian air defense? Tell us the secret information, and, superagent 008?

          Dear, the United States does not have a completely layered air defense system from the word and will never have, for 800 bases, and thus covering its territory, the navel will be untied. I repeat for those who are very smart, the quantitative advantage in airplanes is very conditional, since separately from other weapons systems it can be considered either completely beaten off or a stupidly provocateur.
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            I repeat for those who are very smart, the quantitative advantage in aircraft is very conditional

            Dear, the article is not about that. An article about the capabilities of the aviation industry, and not about air defense systems. And the fact that the capabilities of Russia and the United States in this regard are not comparable (and not only the aviation industry) is a fact, unfortunately.
            1. NEXUS 14 February 2020 12: 35 New
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              Quote: x.andvlad
              Dear, the article is not about that. An article about the capabilities of the aviation industry, and not about air defense systems. And the fact that the capabilities of Russia and the United States in this regard are not comparable (and not only the aviation industry) is a fact, unfortunately.

              Dear, in order to write a "smart post", take the trouble to first see the doctrines of states. The US aviation industry produces more aircraft because this state is conducting colonial wars, unlike us. What are 100500 fighters for?
              We proceed from rationality ... that is, we do not attack anyone, but they can attack us. Therefore, the United States rivets fighters and bombers, and we are air defense / missile defense systems, electronic warfare systems, and, if necessary (sufficient) fighters. If we are talking about a sword, then we must consider the shield against it, dear.
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                Dear, take the trouble to write "smart posts" on the topic. The article is far from a doctrine. Although with our doctrine, fighters using low visibility technology would not be in the least at least 30 pieces a year (both for themselves and for sale).
                "Boeng" has the ability to produce civilian aircraft at a few dozen units per month, also for colonial wars? This is not an argument, dear. Industry needs to be developed and specialists prepared for production.
              2. Roman070280 14 February 2020 13: 28 New
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                Why are we 100500 fighters?


                No, well, if we just don’t need them ..
                What are we then tearing the back seat ..))
                Maybe it wasn’t worth developing then .. the money is also not small at that ..
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              Dear, the article is not about that. An article about the capabilities of the aviation industry, and not about air defense systems

              Just a person in this case is more profitable to compare air defense, and not aviation ..

              At the same time, if there is an article on air defense - where we are initially in a better position, the same person will not want to "consider everything together" and remember the enemy’s much larger air / missile fleet, but will simply rejoice at the initial data ..) )
          2. Dima_Anlim 14 February 2020 13: 03 New
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            the article is not about the number of weapons. And about the production of military aircraft of the 5th generation. Point. I repeat for special people: on the production of military aircraft of the 5th generation. PRODUCTION and the number of units issued per year. And who has not yet realized this, reading this article - "either beaten off his head or a stupidly provocateur."
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              Quote: Dima_Anlim
              I repeat for special people: on the production of military aircraft of the 5th generation. PRODUCTION and the number of units issued per year. And who has not yet realized this, reading this article - "either beaten off his head or a stupidly provocateur."

              Well, yes, Americans are producing “fifth” generation aircraft more than we are. So what? What does it change?
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              Quote: Dima_Anlim
              the article is not about the number of weapons. And about the production of military aircraft of the 5th generation. Point.

              Tell me five basic requirements for a 5th generation fighter applicable to the F-35. To begin with, he does not have cruising supersonic from the word at all. Secondly, its maneuverability at the level of 4th generation fighters, or even lower. Third, from which hangover do you compare the HEAVY MFI with the average under-attack aircraft, which is the F-35?
              And the last ... tell me at least one distinct reason why we should rivet 300 SU-57 per year.
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            You are wrong, NEXUS ... The point is not only in the number of these penguins .. But in the real situation, when there are 10 Poseidons per one anti-submarine ... when there are 10 American submarines, when one of our frigates 10 American .. for example .. you say why do we need so much? And just then, that we do not have 800 bases and aircraft carriers .. but there is a huge country whose airspace needs to be protected .. But there are closed flight schools and destroyed airfields .. And workshops in which they collect one machine a year .. or three .. it’s about the "strength" of the aviation industry .. In fact, China harnessed by the most I do not want to an arms race with the United States .. Planes and ships rivet like baked cakes .. We haven’t dreamed of such a pace now .. Not a fact that we need such a pace .. But is it good to say that 10 aircraft versus 300? It’s not even hatred .. It’s the same as saying that 40 Caliber is better than 1000 Axes ..))
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              You are wrong, NEXUS ... The point is not only in the number of these penguins .. But in the real situation, when there are 10 Poseidons per one anti-submarine ... when there are 10 American submarines, when one of our frigates 10 American .. for example .. you say why do we need so much?

              Are you going to fight with the USA? What are you sitting here comparing? We are a continental state, unlike the United States, and between us there is a distance with water, which in the radius of action will not be covered by any fighter.
              The United States is at war with more than one country and its aircraft industry is cutting loot while it can. Why do we clearly need to explain 300 SU-57 a year?
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                Nexus, what about the state of war? How many planes in US military operations have lost in 10 years? And we? It is clear that using the scarecrows about enemies, the Americans inflate the military budget and make money on it .. But there is the concept of "air supremacy" .. Any air defense system does not give 100: a guarantee. It can be overloaded, blinded and systematically destroyed. Remember Yugoslavia .. A larger number of planes gives more sorties .. Machines simply need service, reloading weapons .. And it seems the United States is going to fight with us, not us .. We don’t need 300 a year .. you are right .. but and 30 in 10 years is also not necessary .. because the mass production of such sophisticated equipment is qualified personnel, it is the development of technologies, this is, after all, the development of the industry .. That’s why they wanted to sell the Su-57 to Indians and to anyone. - to increase profitability .. And if you follow your logic, then what for do we need this Su-57? we and other machines produce enough. And we don’t need Armata - after all, nobody is fighting with tank wedges anymore .. But we have T72 storage areas forced ..
      3. 13-90 14 February 2020 12: 17 New
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        And if you add to this calculation the air defense system?

        And then air defense? The point is that the United States produces 5 generation aircraft more than Russia produces 4 generation.
        1. NEXUS 14 February 2020 12: 22 New
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          And then air defense? The point is that the United States produces 5 generation aircraft more than Russia produces 4 generation.

          And now we turn on the head and look at the defense doctrine of our states. Why do we need the production of fighters in such quantities, if we do not have 800 bases around the world, we do not conduct several warriors at the same time, and we have not declared ourselves world hegemons?
          We set up air defense systems so that we would not climb, but that we would not climb. Or don't you understand the difference at all?
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          And then air defense? The point is that the United States produces 5 generation aircraft more than Russia produces 4 generation.

          Are airplanes a spherical horse in a vacuum or are they fighting as part of a system? If in the composition - all the elements must be taken into account. In the USA, according to our concepts, air defense is absent altogether - a bias towards the Air Force - the entire budget for airplanes. Our system is more balanced, the budget is divided into air defense forces and air defense.
          Well, regarding the fifth generation, the F-35, with all its advancement to the fifth generation, doesn’t really pull. Whether he will be able to even fight on equal terms with the modernized Su-27 is not known.
        3. NEXUS 14 February 2020 18: 10 New
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          It's about the fact that the US produces 5 generation more aircraft

          USA DOESN'T PRODUCE 5 GENERATIONS. The production of the only heavy fighter of the 5th generation F-22 was curtailed in 11 year.
          What kind of fighter does the 5th generation of the USA produce now? Do you even turn your head on sometimes ... where is the F-35 cruising supersonic? Where is the super maneuverability?
      4. hydrox 14 February 2020 12: 32 New
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        Right here, Andrey, right to the point!
        With a good airless curtain of anti-aircraft defense, we will not even say these aircraft in abundance, but may well be enough for a counter-preemptive strike - here we must consider ...
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          Andrey, is it possible, if you don’t negate the dialogue, otherwise the communication with you is very awesome ...
      5. Zaurbek 14 February 2020 14: 53 New
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        I think here we are unlikely to overtake.
  • Dima_Anlim 14 February 2020 11: 59 New
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    Yes, these are all adequate people and without Sokha they understand. Only very stubborn urapatriots are drumming in the chest to this day about the SU-57 which will force everyone. He will not force anyone, because he simply is not there. And those 7-sided Su-57 flying with grief across the floors with engines do not understand some stage and other crap - these are not combat combat units.
    1. RVAPatriot 14 February 2020 16: 59 New
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      And when the aircraft, still in testing, were equated with combat combat units ??? This is the technique on which they WORK what will stand on the series ... Probably nothing to do they drove 57 to Syria .... I’m sure the jambs will be fixed, the output will be 5+ generation ...
  • paul3390 14 February 2020 12: 01 New
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    It would also be interesting to compare the production of air defense systems and missiles for them .. And to impose this on the penguin production schedule ..
    1. Dima_Anlim 14 February 2020 12: 10 New
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      To compare this, you need to know exactly the number of "air defense systems and missiles for them" fired and on combat alert .... Do you have these exact data for the USA? And in Russia? Can we calculate the number of rounds 5.56 and 5.45 in our countries even then?
    2. RideMaster 14 February 2020 13: 23 New
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      And where does the air defense? Amers and jaesems are made in large quantities.
  • prior 14 February 2020 12: 10 New
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    Do not be distracted by rubbish. Think planes. Now it is more important to amend the Constitution.
    (sarcasm).
  • uav80 14 February 2020 12: 17 New
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    For some reason, they just did not mention that the manufacture of components for the assembly of the F-35 is not only the United States, but also more than 10 countries of the world including China itself ...
    For example, China supplies printed circuit boards to GE Aviation, which in turn, together with Pratt & Whitney, supplies finished products to Lockheed Martin ...
    1. Korax71 14 February 2020 13: 30 New
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      Are you sure that in su 57 everything is domestic, to the last bolt ???
  • shubin 14 February 2020 12: 17 New
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    Sohu, is this Chinese VO? Here are the bastards, even copied it! laughing
  • Lord of the Sith 14 February 2020 12: 18 New
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    Sohu: In the US, they produce as many F-35s in a week as the Russians plan to launch Su-57s in a year


    This is all because the Yankees bent their allies (vassals), bred for money for this jet, and the whole world produces it.
    Second, quantity does not mean quality.
    Third, all this fuss with a 35 gun is nothing more than a PR, and an attempt to drag Russia into another devastating arms race.
    And finally, Sohu is nothing more than a yellow anti-Russian newspaper.
  • Berkut752 14 February 2020 12: 19 New
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    The presence of the required number of trained flight personnel, and in the Russian Federation, devesit not only civilian, but also military pilots.
    The reduction of flight schools under Indyukov dramatically affected the lack of flight personnel. And the flight crew, it is for various purposes.
    To prepare one pilot, you need to spend money, like ON SEVENTE DOCTORS OF SCIENCES. This is not proved by me, but by LIFE.
    In the USSR, the flight crew was trained in FOURTEEN schools. not counting the pilots who studied in .......... The results were issued order
    2 "raw" pilots, with a small touch, which were brought to the shelves ..........................
  • Andrey.AN 14 February 2020 12: 26 New
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    If the life of a fighter is thirty years, more than a hundred arrives per year, they want an air fleet of more than three thousand fighter-bombers, front-line, judging by the radius of action. Syrian experience shows that if there is air supremacy, much less can be done to keep up with reconnaissance targets, and the F-35 is clearly not for gaining air supremacy (slow), this is not F-22. Nobody will need to rust.
    1. voyaka uh 14 February 2020 14: 48 New
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      In Syria, no one has air supremacy. The country is divided between the Syrian Air Force, Russia, the USA, Israel and Turkey under agreements.
  • Igor Nikolaevich Nybozhinsky 14 February 2020 12: 27 New
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    And how many of these f-35s remain in the United States and how much is spent on sales to the allies, it is necessary to compare supplies to the US army and not how many units are released. at the factory
    1. voyaka uh 14 February 2020 14: 24 New
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      Approximately 3/4 of the American factory
      - for the Pentagon, 1/4 - for the allies. But there are two more small assembly plants: in Italy and Japan.
      So far, 500+ aircraft have been assembled.
  • Lamata 14 February 2020 12: 27 New
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    Comrades Chinese, you count your fighters,
  • rotmistr60 14 February 2020 12: 29 New
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    Something tells us that Sohu is a derivative of the MGB of China. You practically will not hear criticism of the Chinese Armed Forces, but in Russia they come off completely. The Su-57 just went into serial production (it was announced), and the F-35 has been riveting and periodically creeping out some flaws for many years. Quantity does not always grow into quality. It would be better if the Chinese media were concerned about their own aircraft, which are huge, but have no combat experience. Yes, and you can still argue about the actual, and not declared performance characteristics of their aircraft.
  • Ros 56 14 February 2020 12: 31 New
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    That's right, the Su-57 will bring down as many F-35s in a week as the striped ones will do in a year. fellow laughing lol laughing lol laughing
  • Alexey-74 14 February 2020 12: 34 New
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    Things will go faster when they finish the Su-57 (engines of the second stage) and it will go into series. At approximately the same pace as the Su-35. Su-30, but I think that another two or three years ...
  • Victor March 47 14 February 2020 12: 37 New
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    Quote: figvam
    Unfortunately, our assembly rates for aircraft and helicopters are good only for peacetime, but in the case of serious hostilities we will not be able to make up for the losses.

    You need to know that in such a war, the production of TOTAL will be stopped, and not only with us. The survivors of the nuclear bombing will not be up to planes and aircraft carriers. There will be problems with medicines, food, housing and water. Find relatives will not be possible. There will be a war not to conquer resources and territories. There will be a war of total annihilation. And if everyone (both we and they) will understand this, then there will be no war.
  • Starter52 14 February 2020 12: 37 New
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    At the moment, our small branch makes 10 combustion chambers per month for al31f. Not counting the heaps of the rest of the main one (where are there so many?) There are no series 30 products yet. So far only for testing. But if there will be a series, consider it yourself. And this is a small one branch. And how many of them are there in the country? If we will have to do what they say! And don’t cry. FIG. Finally, the youth began to arrive. The truth is foolish.
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    Now the time will come, and Vasyuki will be renamed New Vasyuki.
  • Ru_Na 14 February 2020 12: 40 New
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    We produce such a number of aircraft that we can master at the moment. Well, we rivet 30-40 SU-57 per year, and who will pilot them, serve?
  • To be or not to be 14 February 2020 12: 46 New
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    Sohu: In the US, they produce as many F-35s in a week as the Russians plan to launch Su-57s in a year. "
    With what overshoot does this worry SOFU ?? What a Chinese viral concern ..
    1. Lamata 14 February 2020 12: 51 New
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      Something this SOFU completely unbelted in.
  • papandopala 14 February 2020 12: 54 New
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    It became known about the falling bolts on Russian fighters. This is reported by Rambler. Next: https://news.rambler.ru/army/43672295/?utm_content=mnews_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink. In December 2019, the American magazine Popular Mechanics reported that Russian military equipment was falling apart. Rambler reports. Next: https://news.rambler.ru/army/43672295/?utm_content=mnews_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
  • Arthur 85 14 February 2020 13: 06 New
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    And there will be a cemetery of these aircraft to the horizon, as after the USSR, when the pyramid of American debt collapses.
  • Cer59 14 February 2020 13: 22 New
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    The question is not how much is being issued, the question is how much is needed? airplanes themselves are a virtual thing. even from the calculation of 3 missiles per plane. all this is justified if the United States intends to pop. and fight a state less developed than them. from all states we know only one such thing. this is china.
    while to the noise of the confrontation with Russia, you can pull money from the budget without causing suspicion.
    Our country needs to make a statement about! that the territory of the countries from which the attack will be carried out will be processed to a depth of 1000 kilometers by missile strikes in the flesh before the use of nuclear munitions. the fact that some countries are less wide is the problem of these countries. but those who let a threat to us through their territory must also be punished.
  • LomKuvaldych 14 February 2020 14: 02 New
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    20 years of noodles on the ears about rearmament. And there are still subjects who are ready to wear this noodle on their ears.
    1. bars1 14 February 2020 17: 10 New
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      LomKuvaldych - you would at least drop by Wikipedia before you disgrace!
  • Mathafaka 14 February 2020 14: 05 New
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    Well, Russia will produce a hundred Su 57 per year, who will fly them?
    There is no flight reserve.
    1. LomKuvaldych 15 February 2020 14: 35 New
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      Those who are now flying the su-27, which will soon have to be decommissioned.
  • Gennady Fomkin 14 February 2020 14: 31 New
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    Quote: figvam
    Unfortunately, our assembly rates for aircraft and helicopters are good only for peacetime, but in the case of serious hostilities we will not be able to make up for the losses.

    Are you going to fight? With whom laughing
  • Alexey from Perm 14 February 2020 14: 34 New
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    Unfortunately they are right, an indicator of the real production capacity of Russia and the United States.
  • Mentat 14 February 2020 14: 38 New
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    Quote: Dima_Anlim
    However, the Sohu article does not discuss the use of aircraft in combat conditions, but the serial production of military aircraft of the 5th generation of the largest military powers.

    J-20 is not a 5th generation aircraft, no matter what the Chinese write about it. From the 5th generation there is only a semblance of appearance. In terms of flight characteristics, it does not even reach Russian 4th generation aircraft. Not to mention the lack of engines.
  • Comrade Michael 14 February 2020 15: 01 New
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    Here they are to the point. I don’t think we will release much. There is no money for this. Only for entertainment and luxury of a narrow group of people.
  • Dizel200 14 February 2020 15: 33 New
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    wrote that "Kraukha" in Syria F-35 brains burned)))
  • Comrade Michael 14 February 2020 16: 35 New
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    In Soviet times, more than 400 aircraft were produced per year, only military
    1. yaros 14 February 2020 21: 30 New
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      The USSR supported friendly regimes and sold them military equipment, this time I can assure you that in the event of a global conflict, the number of tactical aircraft, aircraft carriers of large cruisers does not matter, these are two, they simply will not have time to deploy when the war is lost ... this it was spelled out under the USSR probably now, in military doctrines .... so the argument is about nothing. But the fact that the air defense and missile defense system is in line with the military doctrine is correct, the maximum how tactics can be used is to intercept the KR, but a penguin is unlikely to cope with this ...
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    In the event that obsolete T-10 family aircraft are discontinued (it’s already time for me) and production is being deployed in Irkutsk and Novosibirsk in addition to Komsomolsk-on-Amur, at least 20 Su-57s can be produced per year, which is quite enough.
  • arhPavel 14 February 2020 17: 29 New
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    This is certainly wonderful. And last year, these numbers were even greater.
    But we produce more of our aircraft than they are f22, they are also the 5th generation.
    Now, how much does it make sense to compare serial production for more than 5 years and pre-production samples.
    And even more upset because of this
  • Vlad5307 14 February 2020 17: 57 New
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    Quote: Victor March 47
    Quote: figvam
    Unfortunately, our assembly rates for aircraft and helicopters are good only for peacetime, but in the case of serious hostilities we will not be able to make up for the losses.

    You need to know that in such a war, the production of TOTAL will be stopped, and not only with us. The survivors of the nuclear bombing will not be up to planes and aircraft carriers. There will be problems with medicines, food, housing and water. Find relatives will not be possible. There will be a war not to conquer resources and territories. There will be a war of total annihilation. And if everyone (both we and they) will understand this, then there will be no war.

    That is precisely why the FSA is everywhere inflating local conflicts, because the nuclear club of the Russian Federation restrains their desire to conquer the Russian Federation by military means. They rely on the liberoid layer in the Russian Federation, which should take power in the country after 2024, and it is here that they are pouring more and more money every year (to support various liberal-fiddled media).
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    When they shoot for corruption, then something will change. and that is insignificant. and so a holey barrel will never be full.
  • Boar38 14 February 2020 19: 38 New
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    That's just the F-35 is not even the Su-35, and especially not the Su-57
  • Grandfather Eugene 14 February 2020 19: 47 New
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    Is it possible for Dronov not to push politicians to the necessary minimum or is he in a mutual responsibility ?! Finish then tears pouring will be too late.
  • Voltsky 14 February 2020 20: 33 New
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    I’ll express myself as a specialist on this issue, Russia has few people, a lot of land and the ability to make cheap energy => robots manipulators :)
  • Fara1980cska 14 February 2020 20: 37 New
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    I do not know. Now you have all delved into the topic, but forgot the main component, if suddenly something, then what is the Russians fighting for? Remember one thing, when there is something to fight for, it doesn’t matter what is in your hands. You will fight until the last breath. Better to raise the material well-being of the people, rather than yelling about the advantage of their tank aircraft over others, give the people bread and food. 20 million live in poverty in the Russian Federation. And those who write bad things about the Chinese, I bought bolts and washers today, and then the Chinese. Think before you talk about the greatness of your power, you are by no means better than the Indians, who have nuclear weapons and a poor population
  • ROSS_51 14 February 2020 22: 53 New
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    What else is it ... If the journalists are from Soha by chance all of a sudden find out that Ford’s factories collected one B-24 per hour and 650 a month, they will probably fall down with a heart attack ..
  • Adimius38 15 February 2020 00: 32 New
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    they have a conveyor and we have a screwdriver piece assembly. What kind of competition can we talk about? They do us full and not only in this case, in civil aviation we generally lie on both shoulder blades
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    "Peacekeepers" !!! - why so many planes if nobody is going to attack them!? means designed for use in wars in other regions ..
  • Chaldon48 15 February 2020 08: 54 New
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    The Chinese are not fellow travelers, but just darlings, what a "hot" interest in supplying our armed forces with equipment, well, they would take a couple of destroyers as a "friend", but I'm afraid neither Putin nor Shaigu will agree to accept them!