Revived Archaic: The Swiss Reincarnation of Hetzer


Fighter tanks MOWAG Taifun


The heyday of tank destroyers of the classic reckless layout fell on the years of World War II. Similar anti-tank self-propelled guns were massively used by Hitler Germany and the USSR, where such successful machines as the SU-85 and SU-100 were created. After the war, interest in such machines almost disappeared. Tank destroyers were developed, but on a limited scale, the main battle tanks entered the battlefield, which solved all problems independently. All the more surprising is the attempt by Swiss designers to release a classic tank destroyer in the early 1980s.

Switzerland post-war tank park


Tank forces were never a strong point of the Swiss army. But in the country of mountains and alpine meadows, they followed global trends and tried to purchase various armored vehicles. In the early 1950s, the Swiss army was armed with obsolete vehicles, for example, Panzer 39 tanks, which were the Swiss version of the Czech pre-war light tank LT vz.38. The Swiss version was distinguished by an unusual weapon - a 24-mm long-barreled 24 mm Pzw-Kan 38 cannon with a magazine feed. Thanks to the store food, the tank was notable for its high rate of fire, up to 30-40 rounds per minute. True, the designers had to make a special protrusion in the roof of the tower especially to accommodate such a gun with the top location of the store.

Another rarity in the arsenal of the Swiss army were Panzerjäger G 13 tank destroyers. These combat vehicles were Jagdpanzer 38 Hetzer self-propelled anti-tank self-propelled guns purchased in Czechoslovakia after World War II. Outwardly, these two self-propelled guns were no different. In service with the Swiss army Panzerjäger G 13 remained until 1972, it was then that they were finally withdrawn from service. To upgrade the fleet of armored vehicles, Switzerland also purchased 200 AMX-13/75 tanks from France, designated the Leichter Panzer 51.


Panzerjäger G 13, in the background tank Panzer 39

Attempts to update the tank fleet were made regularly. At the same time, Switzerland collaborated in this area with Germany. Swiss companies, together with German ones, worked on a tank project for India - Indien-Panzer. Taking into account the experience and developments on this project, the first Panzer 58 main battle tank was developed in Switzerland, which quickly transformed into a Panzer 61 (Pz 61). The latter were released immediately 160 units. For a small Switzerland this is a lot. The combat vehicle was equipped with a 7 mm British L105 cannon running in Europe and a 20 mm automatic cannon paired with it. In the course of further modernization, such a pair was abandoned in favor of a more traditional 7,5 mm machine gun.

At the same time, a tank destroyer project was being developed in Switzerland. Large specialists worked on it armory MOWAG. This company is known today to many thanks to its bestseller - the wheeled armored personnel carrier MOWAG Piranha, which has been widely distributed around the world and is in great demand in the market.

And if the company is doing fine with wheeled armored vehicles, then the Swiss were definitely not lucky with the caterpillar. Specialists of this company in the early 1960s participated in the Bundeswehr competition to develop a tank destroyer (Jagdpanzer-Kanone). The presented version of the Mowag Gepard, armed with a 90-mm cannon, did not suit the German military. The Swiss army also did not need a car, and the project of a 24-ton self-propelled gun was safely forgotten for 20 years.


Mowag Gepard tank destroyer with 90 mm gun

MOWAG Taifun Tank Fighter Prerequisites


The idea of ​​re-building a classic turretless tank destroyer arose in Switzerland in the late 1970s. Apparently, the experience of the long-term operation of the "Hetzer" has long been ingrained in the consciousness of the designers of this country. The second attempt to reincarnate the Hetzer anti-tank self-propelled guns followed 20 years after the debut of the Gepard tank destroyer. It is worth noting that this, apparently, was the last in stories attempt to create a similar tank destroyer. For example, the main battle tank Strv 103, also characterized by a reckless layout, many rightly classified as a tank destroyer. This combat vehicle was mass-produced in Sweden from 1966 to 1971.

It can be argued that such military equipment simply died out at the turn of the 1960-1970s and was considered obsolete, so the Swiss project stands out from the general list. It is believed that the prerequisites for the development of the MOWAG Taifun tank destroyer were the widespread dissemination of new armor-piercing feathered sub-caliber shells (BOPS). Such shells were distinguished by good penetration and could hit all existing tanks even when they hit the frontal projection.

Revived Archaic: The Swiss Reincarnation of Hetzer
BOPS in flight, the separation of pallets from the projectile M829A2

The first such serial munitions were developed in the USSR in 1961 for the T-100 12-mm smooth-bore anti-tank gun. And already in 1963, the T-62 tank with a 115-mm smoothbore gun entered the arsenal, in the arsenal of which there were also new ammunition. In the West, with the creation of such shells somewhat delayed, but in the 1970s they began to appear in large numbers. In the United States introduced the M735 shell for the 105-mm gun M68A1, which was a licensed copy of the famous English L7A1. And in Israel, they created the M111 Hetz BOPS, which from a distance of 1,5 kilometers pierced the frontal armor of the T-72 tank hull. Both shells had a tungsten core.

Switzerland reasonably believed that throwing “scrap metal” into enemy tanks instead of using expensive anti-tank guided missiles from anti-tank systems was a good idea. And with great enthusiasm began to create a tank destroyer, which again became relevant. True, looking ahead, we say that, besides the MOWAG designers, so few people thought so.

The project of an anti-tank self-propelled gun with a casemate arrangement of guns in an armored wheelhouse, the company's engineers began to develop independently on their own initiative, the first prototype was shown in 1980. At the same time, the Swiss expected to promote a new project both for export (a cheap means of combating enemy tanks) and for the domestic market. The new Typhoon self-propelled guns seemed a possible replacement for the French AMX-13 tanks being withdrawn from service.


MOWAG Taifun Tank Fighter

MOWAG Taifun Tank Fighter


Work on the new tank fighter, designated MOWAG Taifun, lasted from 1978 to 1980. The company's engineers took into account the experience in the development of self-propelled guns Gepard and improved the machine in accordance with the requirements of the time. The resulting low-profile anti-tank self-propelled gun was based on the chassis of the Tornado tracked armored personnel carrier developed by the same company. The combat weight of the car did not exceed 26,5 tons, which can be attributed to the advantages of the model. Light weight could play into the hands in the conditions of operation of a combat vehicle in Switzerland.

It is known that at least one instance of such a self-propelled gun was built in metal. The only machine built was armed with the same famous British 105-mm L7 gun. The same gun was installed on the Leopard-1 tanks and the first version of the M1 Abrams tank. At the same time, the dimensions of the conning tower made it possible to establish a more powerful 120-mm smooth-bore tank gun Rheinmetall Rh-120 / L44. In the future, this weapon, and later its improved version with a barrel length of 55 calibers, will be registered on all Western tanks. In addition, the Swiss engineers planned to equip the gun with an automatic loader and reduce the crew of self-propelled guns to three people.


MOWAG Taifun Tank Fighter

The only MOWAG Taifun tank destroyer built in metal received a 105-mm gun and a crew of four: driver, commander, gunner and loader. The gun’s pointing angles in the vertical plane ranged from -12 to +18 degrees; in the horizontal projection, the gun was directed at 15 degrees in each direction. At the same time, the working conditions of the crew and the same loader were not the most convenient. The car was distinguished by a low silhouette, the height of only about 2100 mm (excluding machine gun installation), while the clearance was 450 mm. The space in the case was not so much.

Booking a combat vehicle was not impressive, but for a self-propelled gun that was supposed to hit enemy armored vehicles from long distances from an ambush or from shelters, it was not so critical. The thickness of the frontal armor reached 50 mm, from the sides the self-propelled gun was protected by 25 mm armor. Body armor plates were located at rational angles of inclination, which increased the security of the machine. The crew, components and assemblies of self-propelled guns were reliably protected from being hit by fragments of shells and mines and from fire from automatic guns of 25-30 mm caliber in the frontal projection. Partly the insufficient reservation of the car was compensated by the power of the installed weapons.


MOWAG Taifun Tank Fighter

The car turned out to be small, with a combat weight of 26,5 tons, a fairly powerful Detroit Diesel 8V-71T diesel engine was installed on a self-propelled gun, which produced a maximum power of 575 hp This combination of characteristics provided excellent power density - 21,7 hp per ton. The maximum speed of the Typhoon tank destroyer reached 65 km / h.

At the beginning of the 1980s, the construction of the times of World War II, albeit at a completely new technical level, still looked like a revived archaic. Despite the fact that the project had a simple design, and the self-propelled gun was distinguished by good maneuverability and invisibility at a low price, the military was not interested in the military in Switzerland and other countries.

The machine was still losing to the main battle tanks with a tower. Among other things, the tower allowed the tanks to use the terrain more efficiently, you could shoot from the back of the hills or hide in the folds of the terrain. Attack helicopters also became a problem. Any such helicopter appearing over the battlefield was a much more effective means of combating enemy armored vehicles. For these reasons, the MOWAG Taifun has remained just a prototype and, possibly, the last tank destroyer of the classic layout in history.
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  1. rocket757 17 February 2020 18: 11 New
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    Low silhouette, optical stealth ... like what you need. Only who and where armada armored is preparing to meet when they are simple is no longer and will not be.
    1. Grandfather 17 February 2020 18: 48 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Low silhouette, optical stealth ... like what you need. Only who and where armada armored is preparing to meet when they are simple is no longer and will not be.

      Swedes are interesting from a design point of view, and the Saabs and Volvos ... and the benches do not go into the war, it’s not yours.
      1. Speedy 17 February 2020 19: 12 New
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        What does the Swedes and Volvo with the Saabs?
        1. Lopatov 17 February 2020 19: 35 New
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          Quote: Sorrow
          What does the Swedes and Volvo with the Saabs?

          They also believed that in their natural conditions, some reckless tanks are preferable.

          Although by and large the lack of a tower seriously limits the capabilities of tanks in the Scandinavian forests and in the Swiss mountains.
          1. ser56 19 February 2020 14: 35 New
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            Quote: Spade
            the lack of a tower seriously limits the capabilities of tanks in the Scandinavian forests,

            and you won’t twist the forest tower ... request
        2. Dedok 18 February 2020 10: 02 New
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          But aren't Switzerland and Sweden the same thing?
          1. Bad_gr 18 February 2020 18: 56 New
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            Quote: Dedok
            But aren't Switzerland and Sweden the same thing?

            The same as Austria and Australia.
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    2. Alf
      Alf 17 February 2020 20: 31 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Only who and where armada armored is preparing to meet when they are simple is no longer and will not be.

      In the late 70s, in front of the “Alpine Dwarves” stood (and did not allow to sleep soundly) “tank hordes of the Soviets”.
      Yes, and the descendants of the Vikings by that time already with might and main dissected on the same tank destroyer as STRV-103.
      1. rocket757 17 February 2020 20: 41 New
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        It was, but now there is no need to wait for the armada, rather swarms of small, nimble, painfully stinging, drones.
      2. Alf
        Alf 17 February 2020 21: 20 New
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        Quote: Alf
        Quote: rocket757
        Only who and where armada armored is preparing to meet when they are simple is no longer and will not be.

        In the late 70s, in front of the “Alpine Dwarves” stood (and did not allow to sleep soundly) “tank hordes of the Soviets”.
        Yes, and the descendants of the Vikings by that time already with might and main dissected on the same tank destroyer as STRV-103.

        I wonder for what "alternatively gifted" you need to specially put a smiley face?
    3. Catfish 17 February 2020 21: 31 New
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      Hi victor hi The Swedes have already tried to do something similar. But they did not seem to appreciate the world community, no one copied. request
      1. Undecim 17 February 2020 22: 12 New
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        But they didn’t seem to appreciate the world community, nobody copied
        Copy was not copied, but designed by ourselves.

        Kampfpanzer 3 (KPz 3), a joint project of the Germans and the British, the same age as the Swedish Stridsvagn 103.
        1. Catfish 17 February 2020 22: 19 New
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          Hi, Victor Nikolaevich. hi But is this "double-barreled shotgun" adopted? I don’t remember something in the past years.
          1. Undecim 17 February 2020 22: 31 New
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            Good evening!
            They were not accepted into service, but two experimental ones were built. The Americans also worked on the issue.
            Only the Swedes entered service.
            1. Catfish 17 February 2020 22: 49 New
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              Well, in Sweden they always accept something, then marijuana, then Arab refugees. Freedom - the will ... request
              1. Undecim 17 February 2020 22: 51 New
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                I don’t understand how sideways the Swedes are in inventing marijuana and refugees?
                1. Catfish 17 February 2020 22: 55 New
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                  Rumors, Viktor Nikolaevich, rumors ... With regard to marijuana, more and more from Pierre Valais and May Cheval, and regarding refugees exclusively from our site. By the way, how do you feel about what Breivik did without extra pathetics?
                  1. Undecim 17 February 2020 23: 17 New
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                    I haven’t understood anything about marijuana. As according to information from our website. On our website, sane information on this issue during the day with a lantern can not be found.
                    According to Breivik - in the format of the comment you will not answer.
                    1. Catfish 17 February 2020 23: 24 New
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                      A lot of things were said about marijuana in their books, though everything was related to the sixties, but, I believe, everything is progressing. According to information from the website, figures on refugees slipped, I have no other information, I (confess) spoiled the TV in the kitchen intentionally, and I do not appear in the bedroom while my wife watches. As for Breivik, yes, I didn’t touch it in vain, there will be few words here.
      2. rocket757 18 February 2020 08: 42 New
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        Quote: Sea Cat
        But it did not seem to appreciate the world community, no one copied.

        Hi Konstantin soldier
        Cool unit, from behind the hill, hiding, firing at the "villains".
        They had to invent something that could have fired from around the corner, but then they wouldn’t have a hang up on orders.
    4. ser56 19 February 2020 14: 35 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Low silhouette, optical stealth ... like what you need

      there is still a small mass, except for the PTO, and also an excellent infantry escort vehicle - the development of the idea of ​​an art assault ...
  2. Lamata 17 February 2020 18: 15 New
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    By the way, Hetzer was proactively developed by a group of Czech engineers. Such are the fighters with the Hitler regime.
    1. mvg
      mvg 17 February 2020 20: 32 New
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      a group of Czech engineers

      In the Czech Republic, only the chassis was made. Developed by Henschel. Based on the Czech Pz 38. Just a little less than 3000 per war.
      1. Lamata 17 February 2020 20: 37 New
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        Yes, no, I read it specifically that the hatzer itself, in addition to the chassis, was the development of the Czechs. However, I will not argue.
        1. mvg
          mvg 17 February 2020 20: 40 New
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          in addition to the chassis was the development of the Czechs

          just argued somehow, and then grilled that the Czechs did half the tanks to the Germans. True, I found two numbers 2600 and 3300
          http://vspomniv.ru/hetzer.htm
  3. Alexga 17 February 2020 18: 17 New
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    Why do they need him? Two world wars passed by them, are they preparing for the third?
    1. Alf
      Alf 17 February 2020 20: 32 New
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      Quote: AlexGa
      Why do they need him? Two world wars passed by them, are they preparing for the third?

  4. Mytholog 17 February 2020 18: 31 New
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    In Switzerland, for such a machine - there is an application, in principle. In the mountains - such a self-propelled vehicle will block the only road.
    But the export potential is 0. Next - simple logic: issuing only for yourself - a small series - a big price. It seems that this is precisely the reason for the rejection of production.
    1. ycuce234-san 17 February 2020 21: 06 New
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      But the export potential is 0.



      There was no export potential because this was the historical situation of that era: there were no many modern buyers and money in the pockets of those buyers that were.
      The world was ideologically divided. Leading scientific and technical ones would buy only samples for study and not a shipment of goods, especially from a country from another ideological camp: it is difficult to imagine in that era the massive purchases of Soviet US tanks for use in Vietnam or - Japanese diesel engines on Soviet tanks - but it is easy to imagine now.
      The decisive demolition of the colonial system (decolonization) occurred after the Second World War - then the first real buyers appeared - the future post-colonial countries. But then their pockets were completely empty - in the 50-60s. partisans fought against the colonialists often with the help of self-propelled guns and coarse edged weapons forged by village blacksmiths.
      Now the export prospects are higher, since at least some money from such countries has their economies and statehood more or less settled down and their old equipment, taken from the colonialists or donated, left over from those old times, has worn out and become much worn out. You just need to know the measure - to make such an equipment indestructible, cheap and simple as a brick, to make money on its maintenance and not try to compete with the latest technological advances.
  5. Jager 17 February 2020 18: 57 New
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    More like a Stug. Than a Hetzer.
  6. Undecim 17 February 2020 19: 07 New
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    If this is reincarnation, then it’s not Hetzer, but Jagdpanzer IV, designed by the Germans on the basis of Panzer IV and launched in December 1943, while Hetzer was produced in April 1944.
    1. Undecim 17 February 2020 19: 17 New
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      It was Jagdpanzer IV that inspired the Germans in 1960 to start work on the Jagdpanzer Kanone 90mm or Kanonenjagdpanzer project. Hanomag, Henschel and MOWAG participated.

      The Hanomag - Henschel variant was produced from 1965 to 1967. They released 850 pieces, the car was in service with Germany and Belgium until 1990.
      1. Undecim 17 February 2020 19: 20 New
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        Between 1983 and 1985, 163 vehicles were converted into Raketenjagdpanzer Jaguar 2 anti-tank missile launchers by removing the guns and placing TOW missiles on the roof of the launcher, as well as securing additional sheets of composite armor to the hull.
        1. Undecim 17 February 2020 19: 47 New
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          By the way, just the Jagdpanzer IV came up with the first attempt to create their own Swiss tank destroyer, and a month after the launch of the Jagdpanzer IV, in January 1944, they started developing the Nahkampfkanone II.

          Two years later, a prototype was built, but the war had ended by then and the project had lost its relevance.
  7. Lamata 17 February 2020 19: 19 New
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    for a long time, is it here, they wrote in VO or somewhere else, but it seems that the old hatzers are still stuck in adits
    1. Alf
      Alf 17 February 2020 20: 34 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      for a long time, is it here, they wrote in VO or somewhere else, but it seems that the old hatzers are still stuck in adits

      In one of the Special Forces series at a military base in the background are rows of ZIS-3.
      1. Lamata 17 February 2020 20: 38 New
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        I won’t be surprised if some cars with gas engines are hidden.
    2. Freeman 17 February 2020 22: 03 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      for a long time, is it here, they wrote in VO or somewhere else, but it seems that the old hatzers are still stuck in adits

      As for the “haters", I don’t know.
      But the last T-34-85, the Austrians wrote off only in 2007.
      It was just standing walled up in a special bunker, covering one of the bridges. And there were 19 such pillboxes.
      1. bubalik 17 February 2020 22: 07 New
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        ,, yes they are there on tanks only so drive winked
        1. Freeman 17 February 2020 22: 38 New
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          Quote: bubalik
          ,, yes they are there on tanks only so drive winked


          It’s not they who drive tanks.
          The pointer marks the intermediate point of the tank route "Nizhny Tagil - English Channel".
          Our carriers are already used to it, but the burghers must be prepared in advance. laughing

  8. KVU-NSVD 17 February 2020 19: 34 New
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    And this is after 34, IS, St. John's wort and even, figs with him, even Shermanov ....
    In the early 1950s, the Swiss army was armed with obsolete vehicles, for example, Panzer 39 tanks, which were the Swiss version of the Czech pre-war light tank LT vz.38. The Swiss version was notable for its unusual weapon - a 24 mm long-barreled gun 24 mm Pzw-Kan 38 with
    Well, frivolously, finally, about anything .. in the 50s then ..
    1. agond 17 February 2020 19: 58 New
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      It’s better not to make turretless anti-tank fighters, but howitzers, they are more in demand, and they don’t have to rotate the cannon around the cannon, arrived at a water point quickly fired off and left
      1. svp67 18 February 2020 04: 05 New
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        Better not do anti-tank fighters

        It was at that time that it was the best layout for the PTSAU. It made it possible to sharply reduce the overall height of the armored object, which allowed this PTSAU to disguise itself, and on the other, increased the chances that the projectile fired at it would miss, due to the dispersion of the projectile.
        The latter lost its meaning with the mass appearance of guided projectiles on the battlefield
        1. ser56 19 February 2020 14: 39 New
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          The latter lost its meaning with the mass appearance of guided projectiles on the battlefield

          but BOPS then remained ...
          1. svp67 19 February 2020 18: 46 New
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            Quote: ser56
            but BOPS then remained ...

            And the KC remained, but they are not now “rule the ball” on the battlefield ...
  9. svp67 17 February 2020 21: 21 New
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    It can be argued that such military equipment simply died out at the turn of the 1960-1970s and was considered obsolete, so the Swiss project stands out from the general list.
    No, it’s impossible, at that time the Germans released the Yagdpanzer,

    and the Swedes just got this "evil animal"
    1. Lopatov 17 February 2020 21: 56 New
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      No, it’s impossible, at that time the Germans released the Yagdpanzer,



      The Germans abandoned "recklessness" in 1977. Officially. After comparative tests of the promising tank destroyer Leopard VT and again the promising Leopard 2
      1. Lopatov 17 February 2020 22: 11 New
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        Well, we have "crazy" until the mid-80s held out. SU-85 and ASU-57
        1. svp67 18 February 2020 04: 01 New
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          Quote: Spade
          Well, we have "crazy" until the mid-80s held out. SU-85 and ASU-57

          Yes, they hold out, but they appeared back in the 50s
      2. Lopatov 17 February 2020 22: 22 New
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        And the French

        AMX-10 ACRA
        True, there is a launcher, not a "classic"
      3. Vladimir_2U 18 February 2020 03: 28 New
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        Strictly speaking, this arrangement is called "casemate", for example, the monitors are also turretless, but the gun is guided horizontally without restrictions.
      4. svp67 18 February 2020 04: 00 New
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        Quote: Spade
        The Germans abandoned "recklessness" in 1977. Officially. After comparative tests of the promising tank destroyer Leopard VT and again the promising Leopard 2

        That is, almost in the 80s ... and the author talks about the turn of the 60s and 70s
  10. sen
    sen 18 February 2020 06: 16 New
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    As an anti-tank turretless self-propelled guns are not relevant today, but it is worth thinking of an assault turretless self-propelled guns with a 152 mm long-barreled gun to support tank fire.
    1. Lopatov 18 February 2020 08: 36 New
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      assault turretless self-propelled guns

      Especially.
      In open areas, this is still acceptable.

      And in a closed and half-closed, and especially in settlements, such self-propelled guns, firstly, it will open fire on the target later, and secondly, it will be less secure due to the need to substitute the side and the inability to fire on the move.
      1. ser56 19 February 2020 14: 44 New
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        Quote: Spade
        firstly, it will open fire on the target later,

        why? you don’t really twist the tower in the city ...
        Quote: Spade
        secondly, it will be less secure due to the need to substitute boron

        a fixed board is easier to cover with active armor, and its area is smaller, and most importantly there is no vulnerability in the form of a gap between the tower and the hull ...
        Quote: Spade
        fire on the move.

        what prevents the stabilizer? Yes. angles will be smaller, but it makes sense to shoot at high speed - a matter of tactics request
        1. Lopatov 19 February 2020 14: 51 New
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          Quote: ser56
          why? you don’t really twist the tower in the city ...

          On the contrary, you have to twist constantly.

          Quote: ser56
          the main thing is there is no vulnerability in the form of a gap between the tower and the hull ...

          But there is a much greater vulnerability in the form of running.


          Quote: ser56
          what prevents the stabilizer?

          Meaninglessness. And so the angles are small, and if you choose their stabilizer, there will be nothing left at all.

          Quote: ser56
          but the point of shooting at high speed is a matter of tactics

          The question of survival. The faster the target, the more actively it maneuvers, the harder it is to hit it, especially with shells
          1. ser56 19 February 2020 15: 50 New
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            Quote: Spade
            On the contrary, you have to twist constantly.

            Do not interfere at home?
            Quote: Spade
            But there is a much greater vulnerability in the form of running.

            if not a secret - how do they differ? For example, the T-34 and SAU-100? hi
            Quote: Spade
            The faster the target, the more actively it maneuvers, the harder it is to hit it, especially with shells

            at a distance of 1 km, the target’s movement is 10 m / s (36 km / h), it’s less than 1 deg / s movement ... to choose 15 degrees from a Swiss car you need 15 seconds ... or did you get together by air?
  11. sen
    sen 18 February 2020 09: 05 New
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    During the Second World War, during the assault on cities, 152 mm caliber self-propelled guns were very effectively used to destroy buildings. And for close combat, you are right, it is not good. We need a 57 mm caliber (to destroy infantry) with a very fast reaction speed (instruments, a computer for automatic identification, ballistic calculations and automatic gun guidance) and ATGMs.
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    I would plant him from L7.
    1. agond 18 February 2020 11: 36 New
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      Quote: sen
      but you should think about an assault turretless self-propelled gun with a long-barrel 152 mm cannon to support tank fire.

      If the Coalition is presented in a crazy way, it will be simpler, easier, cheaper. Why self-propelled guns when shooting at a single target for tens of kilometers of a tower? better increase rate of fire
  13. Zaurbek 18 February 2020 12: 31 New
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    There was also a German tank destroyer .. in those years, just.
  14. bairat 19 March 2020 11: 07 New
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    [quote = agond] [quote = sen] it will be simpler, easier, cheaper, Why self-propelled guns when shooting at one target for tens of kilometers of a tower? better to increase the rate of fire [/ quote]

    Simpler and cheaper, this is the most important thing for the wartime industry. In peacetime, the military turns its nose: they do not have enough shelling sectors, and why it does not swim, but can it be dropped from an airplane? And with the beginning of the database - give at least something that shoots, but with more caliber and quantity.