American production can not cope with the release of armored vehicles

The Pentagon is faced with the unwillingness of American production to master the serial production of new products. We are talking about the new army multi-purpose armored vehicle AMPV and the upgraded howitzer M109A7 Paladin.

It was assumed that the company BAE Systems will not have problems with the deployment of production at its facilities in York (Pennsylvania). However, now the country's military department is forced to redistribute its costs, giving priority to the purchase of other equipment.

According to Defense News, AMPV was supposed to replace the "armored personnel carrier of the Vietnamese era" M113. Due to difficulties in production, plans for the financial year 2021 had to reduce the purchase of AMPV from 143 units to 32. The acquisition program of the Paladins turned out to be a failure - instead of 37 systems, the army will order only seven.

At the same time, as indicated, "the overall objective procurement requirements remain unchanged." In this regard, slippage in supplies impedes the implementation of rearmament plans.

Along with the problems encountered on the assembly line in York, the military faced shortcomings in the technical design. In general, it is not clear which of the reasons outweighs the supply disruptions - oversights made during the development, or the inability to cope with the production of machines.

For example, in 2017 and 2018, 68 Paladins had to be recalled, as indicated, for their "complete dismantling, inspection, repair, and retesting." Then this measure was due to the unreliability of the howitzer shutter, caused by deficiencies in welding.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

But some "Ikanamizdy" still believe that a bunch of dollars will automatically build anything and as quickly as possible.

[Lexus]

Still, trying to create something for a bunch of dollars is incomparably easier than waiting for a salary from the engineering and technical personnel of a defense enterprise for a salary slightly higher than a beggarly "unparalleled" weapon "on new physical principles." Something I do not see that the Russian Army is overwhelmed with new products, and not with "finishing touches" of the Soviet backlog.

[Vladimir_2U]

Well, of course, with dollars is easier than without them, but with trained specialists and production, even without a bunch of dollars, you can do more than the other way around.

[Pessimist22]

I wonder who will work without money?

[Vladimir_2U]

But how much can you accumulate without personnel and machinery? Even sitting on a pile of dollars? It’s not even remembering an embargo.

[Pessimist22]

You can attract staff and buy machines, as they do everywhere. Even in the USSR, nothing was done on bare enthusiasm, means of production are always needed.

[Vladimir_2U]

Something the Americans did not succeed, according to the article, but they have plenty of money, and no sanctions.

Quote: Pessimist22

You can attract frames

Yeah, the machine tool specialist-welder-electronic engineer turns out that way, stuff the dough for the woman on the bodice and she’s done, she gives birth to whom they ordered, and in order to give birth more quickly, they take nine women.

[Pessimist22]

You are probably a schoolboy, first distorting the words, then you want to explain trivial things, now it seems like not a vacation, and you are not at school.

[Vladimir_2U]

Schoolboy

Quote: Pessimist22

first distort the words

In which place? Jargonisms are not a distortion of words.

Quote: Pessimist22

then you want to explain trivial things

Sorry, they don’t reach many without chewing.

[Lamata]

In principle, what we pay right now is practically without money. A good friend left Rostvertol, a design engineer - zp 15000 minus personal income tax.

[Sonmaster]

"Cadres decide everything" (c).
And for materially and morally motivated personnel, there is nothing impossible ...

[Lexus]

Against the background of fattening idiots, it is not so easy to find duDaks who want to squirm for free, for brilliant people are talented in everything. Moreover, now it is not difficult to find where work, especially mental work, is appreciated at its true worth, and not on a leftover principle. It is ridiculous to wait for breakthrough technologies from publicized scientific companies as a "debt to the Motherland".

[Lamata]

Moreover, the homeland, non-contemporary, capitalist, no longer owes anything, except for taxes.

[KCA]

Here, there’s little conceptually new developments everywhere, in any industry, nothing that we, the poor, and the richest mattresses, are completing 80-plus summer V-1 cruise missiles and V-2 ballistic missiles, we are completing the Mark I English tank, which is 104 years old , Ilon nassevs Musk completes the electric car, which appeared in 1841 (the first car with an internal combustion engine in 1885, even the innovation - cars with a hybrid engine appeared in the early 20th century)

[svp67]

Quote: lexus

I don’t see that the Russian Army will be overwhelmed with new products, and not with "finishing touches" of the Soviet reserve.

And yet it’s very interesting where they spend a lot of money. We now have a lot of money going for re-equipment with rocket technology, both in the Strategic Missile Forces and the Air and Space Forces, which is very expensive. The Americans are not even upgrading the rockets yet ... Where, well, where can the military budget be lower than all the rest of the world combined?

[Mikhail m]

The maintenance of bases and fleets is worth a lot.

[svp67]

Quote: Mikhail M

The maintenance of bases and fleets is worth a lot.

I agree. And also "support" of allies and "sixes"

[Lexus]

The Americans are not even upgrading rockets yet ...

Does anyone have doubts that the Minutemans and Tridents will not fly? In vain. Trident 2 has an unbeaten record with almost 200 successful launches in a row. How much does Bulava have?

Where, well, where can the military budget be lower than that of all other countries of the world combined?

The Air Force, Navy, Army Aviation, satellite constellation and much more are the largest in the world. The highest saturation with adjustable ammunition. Each SV soldier has the latest night vision devices and sights, including thermal imaging, collimator. 100% of armored vehicles equipped with thermal imagers. Get to the nearest part in Russia, except for the special forces, and ask the soldier what kind of sight he has on personal weapons.
R&D expenses exceed the budget of the RF Ministry of Defense. Even if one of the technologies obtained is not used in the armed forces, it will certainly find application in the civilian sphere.

[svp67]

Quote: lexus

In vain. Trident-2 has an unbeaten record with almost 200 successful launches in a row. How much does Bulava have?

Let's compare when "Trident" appeared, and when "Bulava"? And let's compare them not the total number, but the equal number of starts. And there is not such an abyss, "Trident" at the beginning did not "fly" the same every time ...

[Lexus]

Yes, only in open sources can you find dozens of videos of the arrival of warheads of American missiles "in a given area", but ours are "not a lot". You understand what I mean.

[svp67]

Quote: lexus

You understand what I mean.

Yes, we have something in general with this "tight", I mean with the display of "flight", and most importantly hits. Secret mode, you know

[Lexus]

Sergei, what could be so "secret" in the fall of a red-hot disc into a designated circle? Only two things: 1) missed; 2) did not fly. Promises, statements and cartoons will not scare anyone. And since I don’t see kipish in the camp of the Americans (except in the reports of Litter-Media and other “yellow” press), I draw the appropriate conclusions.

[alexander1]

Yes, Trident-2 is a very good rocket, But just don’t need about 200 successful launches! Most of these launches were carried out without the arrival of warheads in the firing range. About 150 launches were carried out and read out as successful, but at the rocket the boats just left the mine shaft and were blown up at a low altitude by self-destructive equipment. If you wonder why, I can explain in more detail. In addition, many Western experts have great doubts about the quality of thermal protection of lightweight warheads. It has already been written more than once that the blocks are as light as possible, in order to place 14 BB on each Trident. But such a configuration with 2800 kg floor. load, possible by reducing the range to 7000 km and using light blocks! And these blocks are facilitated by thermal protection and no real tests of the blocks and the effect of heating in dense layers of the atmosphere on real thermonuclear special warheads have been conducted! So, we don’t need to shove and poke your trident on the Mace! I remember when, back in the early 90s, I was a student at MVTU, the press blew our ears, and ours, then 90% yellow and western, that our missiles and type 100 and p36 did not pass the entire test cycle and did not fly at all and we need to cut them and cut back! I then asked my smart people at the university and my father (he was a colonel then), and they looked at me and at this scribble as an idiot! Years passed, time put everything in its place, and now we know that weaving and 36 can work without failures after 30 years of duty. Until now, on duty, they have been extending their service life for the third time, and they have been working out all the launches almost without comment! So do not listen to idiots! And then we won’t look like them ourselves!

[mikstepanenko]

but, only in open sources can you find dozens of videos of the arrival of warheads of American missiles "in a given area"

As Mark Twain also said, Americans are the best at drawing the target centered on where the arrow hit.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: svp67

The Americans are not even upgrading rockets yet ..

yah??? And the modernization of Garpunov, Tomahawks, the creation of their new versions, the modernization of ICBM Minetman, the creation of a promising ICBM, the latest LRASM missiles, work on hypersonic missiles (as many as 4 projects)? In my opinion, you wishful thinking. USA spends a lot of money on R&D

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: lexus

than to expect from the engineering and technical personnel of a defense enterprise for a salary slightly higher than the beggarly "weapons without analogues" on new physical principles "

The article is not about development, but about production already developed.

[Lexus]

Vladimir, I would love to applaud, if everything was "smooth" in my homeland. And the joy of the adversary's temporary difficulties, against the background of their own systemic ones, at least does not bring any benefit.

[bessmertniy]

The Americans started their own production. They hoped that the Chinese industry would free them from "dirty" and labor-intensive industries, but now American enterprises do not even have the strength to fulfill their army orders.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: lexus

Still, trying to create something for a bunch of dollars is incomparably easier

very controversial. when a "heap of dollars" appears, the need to create something disappears and the need arises to realize the existing "heap of dollars".

[Gardamir]

Yesterday Rlman Skomorokhov was asked why he uses the imported word "peremoga" in his lexicon. So this is a typical example of a peremog. It’s not bad for us, but worse for them.
But in Russian he is rightly proud of his successes.

[svp67]

Quote: Gardamir

he uses the imported word "peremoga" in his lexicon

And why did you decide that this is an IMPORT? The Russian language is full of similar words "overwhelm", "overpower", etc.

[Gardamir]

I'm not talking about languages. Similar articles belittling the enemy belittle our successes.

[svp67]

Quote: Gardamir

Similar articles belittling the enemy belittle our successes.

You know, I support these articles for now. Let me explain why. After the Iron Curtain fell, we started talking more about our failures than about our achievements. And sometimes it seems that we are really such clumsy, but the same Americans are doing well and "kinky". And here are the articles about their failures and problems, as it shows that they have a lot of them. The main thing here is not to go to extremes again, to start hushing up their successes

[Gardamir]

So the fact of the matter is that the pendulum swung. In the late 80s, everything was bad, because we are Soviet. But since we haven’t got better, it means they’re bad.
The rhetoric calling the Western countries capitalists and bourgeoisians is especially touching. Who are we?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Gardamir

So the fact of the matter is that the pendulum swung.

uh nooo .. everything is much worse (or better how is it better for me )! not the pendulum swung but the whole structure together with the pendulum collapsed nafig.
The way information is disseminated has changed, and the possibilities for censorship are greatly reduced. This is a completely new stage in information exchange!

Quote: Gardamir

The rhetoric calling the Western countries capitalists and bourgeoisians is especially touching. Who are we?

what do you mean by "we"? specifically you? or the country's leadership? or others, for example members of the forum?
I'm not a capitalist and a bourgeois

[Gardamir]

In the first part I agree about the design.
But as for "we". We are all bourgeois country, like the USA and others are the same. So it's silly to oppose. But the country's leadership, understanding everything perfectly, sometimes uses Soviet terminology. So it was announced to the people that at the request of the Syrian leadership. But after all, in fact, for the sake of the interests of the Russian bourgeoisie.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Gardamir

So contrasting is stupid.

Russia and the USA? Yes. these are two capes of the country. and I suspect that in the near future Russia will begin to act as a cap country, that is, as the United States, and then Libya and Serbia will be remembered as a good tale about rainbows and unicorns ...

Quote: Gardamir

But the country's leadership, understanding everything perfectly, sometimes uses Soviet terminology.

I agree. it looks like a circus of freaks ... from the platform that bashfully closes the mausoleum, under the flag of the treacherous ROA, pathetically broadcasting the victory of our (Soviet, in between) ancestors over the Nazis.

Quote: Gardamir

So the people were announced that at the request of the Syrian leadership. But in fact, for the sake of the interests of the Russian bourgeoisie.

Well, here rather the interests coincided. Of course, no one cares about the "suffering of the Syrians", but since aid to Syria meets the interests of the Russian capital, why not? and Assad was quite sincere in calling. but they began to help not at all because "the Syrians are a brotherly people."
By the way, about the "brotherly nations" ... what has happened to them there lately? in this light, the pragmatic position of the modern government sympathizes with me more than the Soviet connivance at the Ukrainian Nazis.

[rotmistr60]

So it turns out that problems can arise where the world printing press is located. Whether it’s self-propelled howitzers, aircraft carriers or just light weapons, no matter how many billion-trilles can do without an adequate base and specialists. you didn’t spend on defense.

[rotmistr60]

Gardamir
Similar articles belittling the enemy belittle our successes

If you noticed, then the article is based on data from the American media, in particular Defense News. Therefore, it is not we who belittle the enemy, but the enemy himself beats the bells.

[Vladimir61]

The diapers problem doesn’t bother me at all, in part it even amuses me. More worried about the timing, time and availability of resources that we need to rearm.

[Svetlana]

The Pentagon is faced with the unwillingness of American production to master the serial production of new products. 

In truth, Russian factories, too, for one reason or another, can’t cope with the production of new armored vehicles.
The technology in this world is becoming more and more complicated and the demands of the army are higher and higher. And this is independent of the country.

[Maks1995]

Ha. They write that they can’t assemble, and right there are the technical flaws of the project.

And to assume that they did not launch the series until they revealed inaccuracies, downside?
you must definitely muddle something terrible ...

[VicktorVR]

Give it all to Chrysler and resurrect Iacocca.
I am glad that not only we can not.

[Nitarius]

LEAD USE and there sprouted its fruits ...)))) Yesterday's schoolchildren have grown to production)))

[Zakonnik]

Ours, one might think is coping ...