Cosmic volumes of space deception and absurdity

Cosmic volumes of space deception and absurdity

Just the other day, in a completely different article, I expressed the opinion that we have recently observed such a bad tendency: to tell tales to the people. That is, the state and near-state mass media joyfully and amicably begin to broadcast what will be accomplished, let’s say, by the end of next year. Or 2023. Or 2025. Not so important.


The calculation here is simple: promise (or tell a lie) from three baskets, create the feeling that we’re just going to get bogged down and drown in accomplishments, and push something of our own on this wave.

For example, voting on constitutional amendments.

And how not to vote? We are under the leadership of the party and its general ... Okay, just the United Russia party and the president, who has nothing to do with it, we are making so many historical breakthroughs that all normal citizens are simply obliged to understand this and make the right choice.

And as examples (namely, examples), I’ll give a bacchanalia that began around spaceships.

In recent years, around the "Eagle" with the "Federation" heaped so much that it’s just a wonder that you get so much arrogance from people with such free compositions. But the “Eagle” and “The Fed with the walkie-talkie” turned out to be small (yes, I am aware that this is the same thing, those who write fairy tales about it sometimes do not know), they also added a certain “Argo”.

I’ll start with him. According to the chronology.

The hysteria organized by the local Vesti in Voronezh with the easy presentation of a certain Tatyana Brostovskaya is admirable. There was not a single small-town media that did not respond to the topic raised by Tatyana.

Here is a link to the material:
“Details for the new Argo spacecraft will be made near Voronezh”.

Interestingly, everything in the Vesti material is a lie and a fiction. From the first to the last letter, but I don’t even want to talk about numbers.

“The new Argo cargo spacecraft will consist of 60% Voronezh parts. They will be manufactured by the Aerospace Composite Technologies enterprise, which is part of the Composite Cluster in the special economic zone Center in the Novousmansky District. ”

Pretty, right? Buildings of factories are drawn, in which (according to Brostovskaya) this year they will begin to cast and stamp parts for this Argo. Already in 2020 !!! Beware, Musk, this is your answer!

Naturally, everyone who was not lazy (and not laziness was practically all) joyfully picked up all this, thoroughly discussing the prospect for the city and the region and so on.

What is noteworthy is that ALL that Brostovskaya dumped in her creation does not correspond to reality. To say the least.

And start in order.

No details will be produced for the ephemeral space response to Ilon Mask in the Voronezh region in 2020.

Here is a link to the website of the Department of Economic Development of the Voronezh Region. Everything related to the SEZ "Center":

SEZ "Center".

And here in this document it is clearly visible that only in 2019 the construction of this special economic zone was to begin. And here is the Residents section.

"Residents:
Currently, two companies are assigned the status of residents of the SEZ PPT Center:
- LLC "Bally", investment project "Construction of an enterprise for the production of children's gaming, sports and park equipment";
- IK Maslovsky LLC, investment project "Construction of a plant for the production of glass prepregs, foil dielectrics and technical laminates."

It remains only to decide which of the two existing participants in the SEZ will rivet the details for Argo: a manufacturer of sports equipment or technical laminates.

So, alas, there is no “composite cluster” in the SEZ. As, in fact, there is no SEZ “Center” itself.

I finish.

Here is last year’s material of the same Vesti, but Moscow. About this "Argo".

Russian Argo: Roscosmos will build a new reusable space transport.

Do not be lazy, go and read. Written by professionals not from the local media. That is why the article is replete with the words “maybe”, “supposed”, “most likely”, “when framework agreements will be concluded” and so on.

And in the last paragraph even the date is named: 2024.

But nothing, judging by Brostovskaya, everything will start much earlier. In 2020. More precisely, nothing will ever begin, because there are no factories, no sites, nothing.

So, “Argo”, if it does, then as always with us, 20 years later, after such a good cut. Well, as usual with us at Roskosmos.

Moving on.

“About Fedya with a walkie-talkie”, which became “Eagle”, we have already written more than once. “Eagle” did not begin to fly better, and last year it was actually buried due to the lack of a launch vehicle. On the ISS, taking what is expensive to the moon is not enough power.

And then - oh, a miracle! - “the flight dates of the Eagle are named! No, really, a miracle!

This time, we were pleased with Izvestia with reference to RIANews". Naturally, everyone picked up. As a result - again we sing songs to the frenzy of the brave, again we are ahead of the rest, maestro, cut the march!

“The date of the first flight of the Russian ship“ Eagle ”became known.

“The first manned flight of the new Eagle spacecraft being developed in Russia to the International Space Station (ISS) is proposed to be carried out in September 2025. It is reported by RIA Novosti with reference to the materials of the spacecraft’s developer - the Rocket and Space Corporation Energia.
Roscosmos did not comment on this information, sending it to the ship manufacturer. They didn’t respond to a request from journalists. ”

So, the cleaning lady from RK Energia reported ... However, most likely, there was not even a cleaning lady. I think that by 156% this is all fiction of another Brostian or someone else, because the material, unlike the Voronezh creation, is not even signed.

It is clear that at Roskosmos they sent to ... Energy, and there they didn’t even respond to such nonsense.

Nevertheless, a joyful cry was spread out.

The question arises: why?

Why start rumors about what will happen in 3 (first flight), 4 (unmanned flight to the ISS) and 5 (manned flight) years, if all this is just speculation, fabrication, and so on?

Probably someone needs it.

Meanwhile, on January 28, 2020, from the speech of the first deputy head of Roskosmos, Yuri Urlichich, it became known that an unmanned aerial flight of the Moon by the Orel ship is planned for 2028, and a manned flight and the development of a manned docking of the spacecraft with the lunar take-off and landing complex in 2029.

Can you believe the plans voiced by Urlichich? I am sure that it is possible. Another question, who needs to voice all this unscientific fiction, to me personally is not entirely clear.

It is not clear why this stupid fuss is needed around an empty place. Well, we already know that sometimes it takes so much time from a plan to accomplishment ... You can survive until retirement.

Let’s become very smart for a minute and ask one question: what will this “Eagle” put into orbit?

Ah, yes, in all places it is said about the Soyuz-5 rocket, aka the Irtysh.

I'm sorry, but this missile is simply not there. This is just a “promising development”, nothing more. Not even that, moreover, according to Irtysh there is not even a conceptual design approved by Roskosmos yet.

If we discard all the verbal husks performed by Rogozin, then for the whole last year there was one significant event around Irtysh / Soyuz-5: on November 7, 2019, Roskosmos postponed the delivery of the Soyuz-5 outline project for a year - by 30 October 2020 The first launch from Baikonur is still planned for 2023.

I translate: only on October 30, 2020 can it be said whether there will be a rocket or not. If so, as with Angara-5, then, of course, nothing will happen. And there Kazakhstan must modernize Baikonur under the Irtysh ...

In general, everything is not as simple and clear as we would like.

But in general, the problems of Roskosmos in terms of the corporation's powerlessness to invent at least something worthwhile, apart from Rogozin's statements, have long been known to us.

Actually, the Irtysh is nothing other than the Zenith dispersed by steroids, the launch vehicle is excellent, reliable, but frankly old, and even with a bunch of Ukrainian developments. So there’s nothing new either.

But the matter is not in claims to Roskosmos, no. This is due to the strange position of many Russian media outlets that openly circulate if not a deliberate lie, then unverified information. But, apparently, this is such a topic of the day. Lie today about what will happen in five years, and there, as the saying goes, either the donkey dies or the shah changes his mind.

Be careful, dear readers. And look around three times before shouting "Urya!"

Required postscript.

In December, we published good news that these same space composites would be poured near Voronezh. Here is the news that came from the "press service" of the Composite Cluster OSZ Center.

“A cluster for the production of composite materials will begin work near Voronezh”.

Sharing more than cautious comments from our readers, we decided to find out what this cluster really is and how things are going there.

So the continuation (and there are indications that everything will be very fun) follows ...


And the second postscript.

First: in Vesti, the text of the note was changed, but the essence was that in 2020 only the construction of the plant would begin, and not the production of parts for Argo. Sometimes you need to work more carefully.

Second: we contacted the press service of the cluster, which will be built in the near future, and together with them we will keep everyone in the know about the events taking place in this direction.
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  1. Vladimir_2U 17 February 2020 05: 50 New
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    Bullshit on bullshit and bullshit drives. And God at the constitution and what Ukrainians have there.
    1. Uncle lee 17 February 2020 06: 08 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Bullshit on bullshit

      You don’t need a knife at the fool, you’re lying to him from three boxes
      and do what you like with him ...
      1. Ross xnumx 17 February 2020 06: 14 New
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        You don’t need a knife at the fool, you’re lying to him from three boxes
        and do what you like with him ...

        This is exactly what Putin and his liberals are doing. They penetrated into all spheres of propaganda.
        It is good that in the country people began to be “highlighted”, opening the eyes of the people to all these “fairy tales”, “breakthroughs” and “prospects”.
        By the way, among the people you meet less and less often the naive "Pinocchio" who blindly believe in the "capitalist" future of Russia.
        Novel! Thanks! As always to the point! good
        1. Uncle lee 17 February 2020 06: 24 New
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          The other day, for the umpteenth time, I revised Kinzaza .... Much like our current state. And three times KU! Our pancreas!
          1. Stas157 17 February 2020 07: 38 New
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            Welcome to fabulous Russia, to the country of fables and varnishing of reality.

            Censorship filters the negative, but easily skips (encourages) positive fairy tales. This is the paradigm of the information space, which in the minds of Russians should form the “correct” image of a powerful and strong Russia, a country of high salaries, the absence of oligarchs, world achievements and economic breakthroughs.
            1. Malyuta 17 February 2020 09: 27 New
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              Quote: Stas157
              Welcome to fabulous Russia, the country of fables and varnishing of reality

              I would call it the “Kingdom of Crooked Mirrors”, but this fairy tale, which we read in childhood, has now become a reality.
              1. Goldmoskit 18 February 2020 22: 34 New
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                Field of fools from the fairy tale "Golden Key"
            2. Mestny 17 February 2020 09: 29 New
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              And who is holding you here? In this country".
              Go to another, fabulous, where everything is fine.
              1. Malyuta 17 February 2020 10: 14 New
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                Quote: Mestny
                And who is holding you here? In "this country." Go to another, fabulous, where everything is fine.

                You remind me of skakuas from a neighboring country, you are jumping in the same way, only with a different slogan, "who does not skip that jidabander!" And you serve along with the skakuas one - the bourgeois.
                And love for the Motherland holds us here, but not for power, only you don’t understand this, a gaspadin, very similar to a horse.
                1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 00 New
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                  If I am jumping, then for my country in which I live.
                  And you are jumping against.
                  To do this “for” is still much more honest and correct than vice versa.
                  As the saying goes, you love your country when it is hard. When everything is in order - every master.
                  You have come up with such a loophole for yourself - you divided your homeland and power. As if this power had arrived from another planet.
                  It is understandable, you are not the villains in the main, that you would just hate your country.
                  Need a reason for conscience. So you came up with it. More precisely, not you, everything has been invented before you.
                  And so long ago that your struggle is already becoming ridiculous.
                  1. Revival 17 February 2020 12: 01 New
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                    1. What right do you have to tell the citizens of the country where to go from their country?
                    2. Where is the honesty in your position in jumping like "for"?
                    "For" profuking the future of the country and people?
                    "For" do not bother to enrich those who seized?
                    You are your eternal "for", so that shamelessly lied like about the facts described in the article?
                    What on the subject of highlighted lies do you have to object to honestly be FOR?
                    1. Lexus 17 February 2020 13: 58 New
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                      Yes, this is "local ..." They are constantly jumping. Such people in Russia have always been treated condescendingly. The only thing when the amplitude increases is that it is time to carry out sanitation.
                  2. Vladimir B. 17 February 2020 17: 44 New
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                    Quote: Mestny
                    You have come up with such a loophole for yourself - you divided your homeland and power.

                    I personally voted for the Communists. this is by no means a loophole. you correctly noticed
                    Quote: Mestny
                    this power has flown from another planet

                    Quote: Mestny
                    It is understandable, you are not the villains in the main, that you would just hate your country.

                    so hate the homeland how you hate it still worth looking for
                  3. New Year day 17 February 2020 21: 19 New
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                    Quote: Mestny
                    If I am jumping, then for my country in which I live.

                    your jumps correlate with the jumps of these
                    gentlemen
                2. Oleg1 18 February 2020 15: 44 New
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                  Yes, the homeland is now not the USSR, is this an occasion to betray it and pour slops over it?
                  I remembered now the old comedy "" You some kind of wretched one, Merzlyaev. Pathetic, by golly. "
              2. Ross xnumx 17 February 2020 10: 32 New
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                Quote: Mestny
                And who is holding you here? In this country".
                Go to another, fabulous, where everything is fine.

                And I will answer you and your entire gop company.
                You would be glad that no one bothers you to turn the once blooming land into a garbage can. It would be convenient for you that people in the country do not ask “sharp” questions and do not go into polemics about orders and instructions from the authorities. You, like those thieves who crawled into someone else's house, are disgusted by the bright light, loud screams and strangers who made you there ...
                Just and only such a comparison is applied to the situation in the country. stop Only because of the “teapot” that has jumped off the neck, we will not chop it. We will get rid of this “abscess”, and there are more and more specialists in this field.
                So you go to those countries where you managed to buy real estate, or continue to position them as an example of high spirituality, morality and “partnership”.
                hi
                1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 01 New
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                  Our gop company will try not to let your gop company once again destroy everything and drown in blood.
                  I'm fine here. What am I writing about.
                  This is bad for you here.
                  1. Ross xnumx 17 February 2020 11: 26 New
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                    Quote: Mestny
                    I'm fine here. What am I writing about.

                    This is your and your gop company’s difference from people who empathize with others and perceive their failures with sympathy.
                    And you feel good in any situation. It reminds me of the joy of grave worms:
                    WHAT'S WHAT A WAR? WE ARE GOOD AND THIS MAIN ...
                    “- Well, what is heaven? - an empty place ... How can I crawl there? I'm fine here ... warm and damp!
                    “So Already answered the free bird and grinned in his soul over it for these nonsense.
                    “And so I thought:
                    - Fly or crawl, the end is known: everyone will fall to the ground, everything will be dust... "
                    1. Mestny 17 February 2020 12: 00 New
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                      You see what’s the matter ....
                      We are well here, and we want others to feel good.
                      And here you feel bad, and you want others to feel bad, for example, too.
                      In other words, an ancient joke: "We wanted that there were no poor, but you wanted that there were no rich."
                  2. Revival 17 February 2020 12: 05 New
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                    Yes, 80% is not good, and millions are even officially poor (the government said that you shouldn’t refute this, apparently), and that these poor millions should be satisfied and grateful? Do not have the right to be indignant?
                    Is so many official working beggars a shame for the country every minute? Does it undermine the image of high achievements, successes, growth and breakthroughs?
                  3. Vladimir B. 17 February 2020 17: 40 New
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                    Quote: Mestny
                    Our gop company will try

                    Your company has already tried. the population is rapidly declining.
                  4. New Year day 17 February 2020 21: 22 New
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                    Quote: Mestny
                    Our gop company will try not to let your gop company once again destroy everything and drown in blood.

                    What are you doing now?
                    Is Putin’s definition of his disaster modernization of medicine “not blood of the dead without medical assistance or not the rule of destroying medicine in general?”
                2. Serg65 17 February 2020 11: 17 New
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                  And I will answer you and your entire gop company.

                  You yourself, Yuri Vasilyevich, answer how you got to the point that you are pouring water on the mill of world capitalism? What makes YOU so dream of the collapse of YOUR Motherland? ... or not yours?
                  1. Ross xnumx 17 February 2020 11: 28 New
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                    Quote: Serg65
                    What makes YOU so dream of the collapse of YOUR Homeland? ... or not yours?

                    How do you say so as not to offend?
                    Many tend to confuse two concepts: “Fatherland” and “Your Excellency”
                    1. Serg65 17 February 2020 12: 00 New
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                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      Many tend to confuse two concepts: “Fatherland” and “Your Excellency”

                      what I confess, I didn’t understand .. what personally prompted you to destroy your Fatherland?
                3. Sanichsan 20 February 2020 16: 42 New
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                  I'm sorry, but you are no better than those about whom the article was written. the same "mooring !! 1" from scratch.
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  It would be convenient for you so that people in the country do not ask “sharp” questions and do not go into polemics about orders and instructions from the authorities.

                  no, everyone has already been bothered by “acute questions”, the idle talk which is called polemic, and most importantly, by island-begging ones. a lot of words - no business. what is the point of these "hot questions" if they do not change anything?
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  You, like those thieves who crawled into someone else's house, are abhorrent with bright light, loud screams and strangers who made you there ...

                  Th then those who push the oligarch from the Communist Party didn’t blind their eyes .. or are these others different?
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Only because of the “teapot” that has jumped off the neck, we will not chop it. We will get rid of this “abscess”, and there are more and more specialists in this field.

                  who is "WE" then? on behalf of whom are you talking ??? wake up! Now there is no peasantry that would make up 80% of the population and work for food. Now there are no workers who work for 10-16 hours! now is not 1917! there is no revolutionary situation in the country, just as there is no spacecraft manufacturing plant in Voronezh! who will pick this most chiri? bulk students? so they grow up and go to work, and from now on they will not be up to you.
                  so how are you, comrade Yuri, different from Madame Brostovsky?
              3. Gene84 17 February 2020 10: 49 New
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                Quote: Mestny
                And who is holding you here? In this country".
                Go to another, fabulous, where everything is fine

                This is our homeland. This is our country. Our ancestors built and magnified our country. And we want Russia to become again a Great World Power not in words but in deeds.
                1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 02 New
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                  Well, do not water it with slop for jokes-jokes.
                  Have an understanding of how complicated it is.
                  And then as children - I want candy right now, and at least you crack. To hysteria.
                  1. Ross xnumx 17 February 2020 11: 35 New
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                    Quote: Mestny
                    And then as children - I want candy right now, and at least you crack. To hysteria.

                    Uh ... there it is! Did you remember the children? For twenty years, children who wanted candy, got one wrapper from it:

                    Now, have you decided that they should say thank you? It’s you who is hysterical from the answers of grown-up children whom you once “fed” with your “sweets” ...
                    1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 56 New
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                      Matured children, that's it. Adults acting like moody kids.
                      I just can’t understand - are you serious now? Really can’t imagine what kind of problems could be when running a country like ours? Or maybe this is your political struggle? Do not be shy, I will understand. So tell me - this is our business.
                      Or do you really think so?
                      However, you still can’t say it. Yes and no need.
                      1. Ross xnumx 17 February 2020 12: 14 New
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                        Quote: Mestny
                        Really can’t imagine what kind of problems could be when running a country like ours?

                        "Problems" of government? I recall something:
                        We create difficulties for ourselves, then to overcome them heroically ... laughing
                        In our country, there is one problem - the duplicity of power, the division of the country into "ours, which they are not in trouble" and the rest.
                        You here with foam at the mouth prove that Putin lifted the country from its knees, on which it put the EBN in the nineties. Then why did this wise figure organize a memorial to the memory of this leader?
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Those. in the 90s, children ate sweets, I understood correctly, well, if they received wrappers in subsequent years? Uncle Yura you ..... who are you?

                        That is why the most difficult operation in your "house of highly educated people" is the removal of the tonsils.
                        Let me remind you again, by "poking." You will poke if they give you ... Learn to talk correctly, then you will get answers to questions that interest you ...
                        hi
                    2. Serg65 17 February 2020 12: 03 New
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                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      For twenty years, children who wanted candy, got one wrapper from it:

                      Those. in the 90s, children ate sweets, I understood correctly, well, if they received wrappers in subsequent years? Uncle Yura you ..... who are you?
                  2. Gene84 17 February 2020 11: 38 New
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                    What does it mean to water it with slop? If we do not agree with the current government on some issues of an economic and political plan, then we are watering our Motherland with slop? So you can say about you that you are watering the country with slop.
                    1. Mestny 17 February 2020 12: 04 New
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                      You can say anything at all. all the more so since the word is a little worthy of us - neither responsibility for it, nor as a consequence of conscience.
                      Only here I am for her, the country. For the one that is. Not the one that’s only in the head of cockroaches. And you are against. Against that which is, but speak all the time about the invented.
                      That is the difference.
                      1. Gene84 17 February 2020 12: 16 New
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                        Quote: Mestny
                        Against that which is, but speak all the time about the invented.

                        We are for the one that was. For a truly popular country. For the country in which every citizen has the right to a pension, to work.
                      2. Serg65 17 February 2020 12: 38 New
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                        Quote: Gene84
                        For a truly popular country. For the country in which every citizen has the right to a pension, to work.

                        what What a fantastic country !!!! And what kind of country is this, comrade?
                      3. Lexus 17 February 2020 14: 10 New
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                        What a fantastic country !!!! And what kind of country is this, comrade?

                        The one you like "to the tune" of your idol and other "judges" is now thrown with "galoshes". The one that today's is not good at. The one in which for the first time flew into space and flew more than the rest, combined, if that.
                      4. Serg65 17 February 2020 14: 51 New
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                        Quote: lexus
                        The one that today's is not good at.

                        Then why did you surrender it to the bourgeois?
                        Quote: lexus
                        The one in which for the first time flew into space and flew more than the rest, combined, if that.

                        30 years after October flew into space?
                        Quote: lexus
                        The one that today's is not good at.

                        A moot point!
                      5. Lexus 17 February 2020 15: 19 New
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                        30 years after October flew into space?

                        But the “today” and 30 years turned out to be quite enough to “fall off” everywhere, not only from space. If you are completely serious, then Bravo! No more questions. stop
                      6. Sanichsan 20 February 2020 16: 59 New
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                        Quote: lexus
                        But the “today” and 30 years turned out to be quite enough to “fall off” everywhere, not only from space

                        this is "pouring mud on your country." they didn’t fall out of space, but some bastards really want it to be that way, and some pass it off as an existing fact. yes
                    2. Svarog 17 February 2020 18: 59 New
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                      Then why did you surrender it to the bourgeois?

                      Those who are now in power passed it, or rather they sold it and they are now well .. they set up monuments for themselves, arranged pensions for 600 tr .. they have real estate abroad and they arranged children there ... we have several citizenships ourselves and prepared spare airfields over the hill .. and they do not care about Russia, to the point that the Russians are dying .. and you actively support them .. Amazing .. Are you an official? I even have familiar businessmen of an average hand, mother of these figures .. brought the country that only officials and oligarchs live well here ..
                    3. Serg65 18 February 2020 13: 20 New
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                      Quote: Svarog
                      now it’s good .. they set up monuments for themselves, organized pensions for 600 tr .. they have real estate abroad and they arranged children there .. they have several citizenships themselves and prepared alternate aerodromes over the hill

                      belay So you all this mututen only out of envy started? Well it is necessary !!!!
                    4. brat07 19 February 2020 03: 19 New
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                      Those who are now in power surrendered it ... more precisely, they sold it and they are now well

                      Sorry, but who are those?
                      Are not those who were at one time in power! Yes, they are now in power.
                      Former Komsomol members.
                      These are those who come from the USSR ?!
                      After all, they are all “born in the USSR”!
                      And now why "moan something"?
                      Something was wrong in that “conservatory”. IMHO.
                      Don't you think so?
                    5. Sanichsan 20 February 2020 17: 14 New
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                      Quote: Svarog
                      Those who are now in power surrendered it ..

                      truth? looked at the composition of the parties in power, and the couple did not find the CPSU ... oh yes .. the CPSU they are also of this, but the Communists themselves are not of that. the Communists themselves quickly burned party cards and were re-qualified as democrats and liberals ...
                      or are you a supporter of the idea that our modern leadership flew in from Nibiru and in 1990, having killed real guardians for the good of the people, seized power?
                      Quote: Svarog
                      and they do not care about Russia, to the point that the Russians are dying .. and you actively support them .. Amazing .. Are you an official?

                      I'm not an official, but I'm definitely not hostile his country element. I agree that it is necessary to deal with the arbitrariness of officials, but to pour dirt on any undertaking just because it comes from the authorities, this is harm to the country and not to the officials.
                      Quote: Svarog
                      I even have familiar businessmen of an average hand, mother of these figures .. brought the country that only officials and oligarchs live well here ..

                      gy gy gy laughing what did entrepreneurs say in 1905? "the king must be blamed!" it seems laughing
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                  It’s not true Americans flew, though more than 10 times more with automatic weapons
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              We are for the one that was

              USSR or something ??? what it was destroyed, now they have taken up Russia ??? wassat
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              For the country in which every citizen has the right to a pension, to work.

              and now you have no right to work? or retired? or is the pension wrong and the wrong job?
              you are like white emigration laughing "the country we lost" wassat
              hey, maybe stop dreaming and start doing something? Well, for example, builds that country in which everything will be as it should wink
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            You can say anything at all. all the more so since the word is a little worthy of us - neither responsibility for it, nor as a consequence of conscience.

            Are you talking about the current government? How true !!! good
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          If we do not agree with the current government on certain issues of the economic and political plan

          He who does not agree, he offers, but does not seek out from which the fire of revolution can be inflated!
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            He who does not agree, he offers, but does not seek out from which the fire of revolution can be inflated!

            Where did you see us called now to revolution? Again, the year 1917 gives you peace of mind?
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            Where did you see us calling for revolution now?

            Well, modern wrestlers shredded, only to sizzle around the corner and husk seeds.
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            But you have gained a lot in weight. Because you drag the “ambition" in the tournament, and it’s really “crushed” from above. And your “breakthrough” into space is peculiar, not from where it follows. As in the neighboring country, "with the plug" will soon be your lust.
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            "with a fork" will soon be your lust.

            laughing We’ll be with the “plug” after you come to power, and soon there will be no neighboring country at all thanks to wrestlers like you!
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          Well, modern wrestlers shredded, only to sizzle around the corner and husk seeds.

          Judge by yourself?
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    And we want Russia to become again a Great World Power not in words but in deeds.

    what Well then, do you do verbiage then? Go to the barricades comrade !!!! Destroy the whole World of violence to the ground, and then ... and then wake up with mud and just verbally against those whom you bring to power ... and so on to infinity laughing good ... for the oar, is it not? wink
    1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 31 New
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      I tried to ask the Communists this question - what did you, specifically, your party build? Production, roads, kindergartens at last?
      The Russian Orthodox Church even builds churches, of course, and you?
      In response, only the hysteria about everything is stolen, and the damned one. Well, it’s clear
      you don’t need to work and build, but vice versa, because the damned oligarchs will get everything. in other words - a rash of chips into the machine, hammer the sensor in the rocket with a hammer.
      Well, at least you paint the bench. Help anyone no matter.
      No, nothing, no answer. Only dull rallies for 50 people and horse racing on the Internet.
      1. Serg65 17 February 2020 11: 38 New
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        and what did you specifically build your party?

        laughing Well, you give? They, their sworn enemy, were given the opportunity to prove themselves governors in three regions, so they managed to get so fucked up like no one would hit them! From Khodorkovsky money, at least a tithe for the elderly and orphans would be given, and the people would say thanks to them!
      2. Gene84 17 February 2020 11: 45 New
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        I tried to ask the Communists this question - what did you, specifically, your party build? Production, roads, kindergartens at last?

        Who do you live for now? Due to the oligarchy or due to the Soviet legacy?
        1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 52 New
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          Due to my work, and the work of other citizens of my country.
          I drive along new roads, already built in Russia, illuminated by lighting devices made in Russia, I use a connection built already in Russia, I buy food products made in Russia.
          And even I built a house for myself, already in Russia.
          Last year, the state built a new school and a kindergarten by the most standards. Instead of 24 collective farms in the vicinity there are now 2 farms. They fully provide us with basic products.
          Amazing right

          And from the Soviet heritage remained the ruins of collective farms, farms, and other structures overgrown with grass. Well, dilapidated housing stock.
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          And from the Soviet heritage remained the ruins of collective farms, farms, and other structures overgrown with grass. Well, dilapidated housing stock.

          You forgot to add that the collective farms are overthrown by the capitalists. Say a dilapidated housing fund, and who prevents the authorities from putting their houses in order or resettling people from a dilapidated house?
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          You forgot to add that the collective farms are overthrown by the capitalists.

          I wonder if your sternum is a capitalist or what ??? what lol
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      Who do you live for now?

      what And you, Genady ??? At whose expense? Who personally salivates your denyuzhku?
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      Not you for sure.
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      Well, are you so modest that?
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      Modesty adorns a person. You apparently did not learn this ...
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      You apparently did not learn this ...

      laughing I like young wrestlers with mode, they can’t distinguish Lev Borisyvich from Lev Davidovich, they are just newborns in scientific communism, and as you press a little, the anti-legacy soul crawls out!
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      cannot distinguish Lev Borisyvich from Lev Davidovich

      They don’t need to distinguish between your newly-minted “masters” of the Homeland - they need to drive everyone. But you have learned, it is fundamentally important for you whose hands to kiss, so as not to cost, and, moreover, not to work out for free. And about the "darling" you would be silent so as not to "wave".
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      They don’t need to distinguish between your newly-born “masters” of the Motherland

      laughing good Lesha, I just laughed so right now !!!! Actually, Lev Borisych and Lev Davidovich once came up with something for which you are now tearing a throat wink
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      it is fundamentally important for you whose "hands" to kiss, so as not to cost, and, moreover, not to "work out" for free.

      Roughly, Alex and what a hysteria, have you stepped on a corn?
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      came up with something for which you are now tearing your throat

      It’s just you gulping your throats with your gang for the notions and promises of your idol. I would not be surprised if before that they were a patented connoisseur of scientific communism. And I won’t be amazed when you again begin to “change shoes” in front of our eyes in a jump. For "your brother" - this is an ordinary event - the "reverse" to cut when profitable or scary. See that you are not stepped on the "corn", given its location.
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    I tried to ask the Communists this question - what did you, specifically, your party build?

    Party ... People are building, not parties. Parties are in power. Under the Soviet regime and the leadership of the CPSU (b) -KPSS, the country reached unprecedented proportions in the economy, industry, etc. Now what? I like to depend on the West in the economy - depend, but we do not want this. We want our descendants to be proud of us, just as we are proud of our ancestors. Don't you like it? Then move away, do not stop us from building a normal state.
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      And now what?

      abruptly you jumped ... your answer is hidden there !!!
      Quote: Arlen
      Under the Soviet regime and the leadership of the CPSU (b) -KPSS, the country reached unprecedented proportions in the economy, industry, etc.

      further it was necessary "and all this itself banged" !! wink
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      Party ... People are building, not parties. Parties are in power. Under the Soviet regime and the leadership of the CPSU (b) -KPSS, the country reached unprecedented proportions in the economy, industry, etc.

      Fear God. By the beginning of the 80s, the USSR was already bankrupt, from the word at all. The system was not viable from the very beginning. Incidentally, this was quickly understood by Lenin, who had made all the mess. Hence, the rejection of war communism and the transition to the NEP. But this last opportunity to build socialism with a human face (like what we see today in Sweden, Norway, Denmark) was missed.
    3. Svarog 17 February 2020 19: 15 New
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      Fear God. By the beginning of the 80s the USSR was already bankrupt

      Here, only you are a god and are not afraid .. with you the population goes down, but you are afraid of God .. Under the USSR and in the 80s, the Russian population only grew .. and now we are dying out .. be afraid of God ..
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    I tried to ask the Communists this question - what did you, specifically, your party build? Production, roads, kindergartens at last?

    Haha, well, you ridiculed, only an ignoramus who can’t know history at all can ask such a question. You exist, if anything, only because the USSR and the Communists were .. And everything that Russia uses today is built in the USSR, it’s better Tell me, what was built in modern Russia in 30 years? Ripped the country and sold everything and everything .. did nothing of their own .. Look around you and find the thing where it says "Made in Russia" ..
    In response, only the hysteria about everything is stolen, and the damned

    Soon there will be no one to hysteria .. thanks to your prayers and the actions of your idols, benefactors, the population of the Chinese and others will be replaced ..
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    Absolutely right!!! Only they can spray with saliva! And he personally, what they did to improve life even by a millionth percent! First of all, even! No! Only nagging and snot about the damned oligarchs, and 90% themselves do not slip from a glass!
  • Chervonny 17 February 2020 11: 46 New
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    Now you are calling for barricades, not us. And verbiage is not what we do. Yes, our ancestors destroyed the world of violence and created the world's first state of workers and peasants, which, with the tacit consent of some, was destroyed into independent states, and now they are boasting of some kind of wild oligarchic system.
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      which, with the tacit consent of some, was destroyed by independent states

      But from now on, Mr. Chervonny, please in more detail? Who destroyed, with whose tacit consent, and how long did they destroy?
      Quote: Red
      Now you are calling for barricades, not us

      Well, comrade, somehow you didn’t go to your ancestors ... they were much more determined and didn’t hide in the bushes!
      1. Chervonny 17 February 2020 11: 58 New
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        Who destroyed, with whose tacit consent, and how long did they destroy?

        Hello! We arrived ... No need to build a misunderstood person and speak hints. The union is destroyed with the tacit consent of your generation. At that time, our generation still walked under the table.
        Quote: Serg65
        Well, comrade, somehow you didn’t go to your ancestors ... they were much more determined and didn’t hide in the bushes!

        Sarcasm irony is not counted.
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        And if without sarcasm - are you ready to build a new country from scratch now? Do you have a leader and a program that people will follow? Here are those budget employees?
        I will tell you, do not work - you are not ready.
        You have nothing. You are the people of the Holocaust who would love to fall into someone else's feeding trough. Select everything, and divide it between your own. Between your own, this is important.
        And the more you build in Russia, the more your tantrum. Still, the feeder is then added, which means the desire to take it away more and more.
      3. Chervonny 17 February 2020 12: 13 New
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        And the more you build in Russia, the more your tantrum.

        We have no tantrums. It’s being built, we are glad, only one misfortune is being stolen from you.
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        This is your trouble. Do you know which one?
        You are again trying to divide the country into “you” and “us.”
        Again. Well, as much as you can.
        Imagine that the power you hate will decide to act by your own methods. Do you know what will happen? They will demolish all the monuments to Lenin, rename all streets and cities, ban the Communist Party and other communist parties. No communist will ever find any work.
        Truth? This is exactly what you would do if you came to power again?
        But the current government does not. Just because our country is different. There are Orthodox communists, there are liberal oligarchs. Anyone is there. And all this should be carried out as far as possible past the abyss - carefully and slowly.
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        Do you know what will happen? They will demolish all the monuments to Lenin, rename all streets and cities, ban the Communist Party and other communist parties. No communist will ever find any work.

        I remember at the beginning of the 20th century the Communist Party was already banned. Remind you how it all ended? Let me remind you. This ended with the fact that the people supported the Bolsheviks during the revolution and subsequent years.
        You have now expressed your hidden desire. But you won’t succeed.
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      only one misfortune is being stolen from you.

      what And you? Do not steal?
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      And you? Do not steal?

      Only for some reason, it’s you who are applauding the “space” magazine ... and from the “moth” of the ELEPHANT “inflated”.
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      laughing Alexei, do not shy away from the question ... are yours stealing or not?
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      Alexei, do not shy away from the question ..

      This is from "Roskosmos" insurers, as hell from incense, to say the least, "evade."
      yours steal or not?

      Ours, just, will be scattered around the world "yours" for theft and treason of the motherland will be found and judged by a people's court.
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      Ours, just, will be scattered around the world "yours" for theft and treason of the motherland will be found and judged by a people's court.

      Historical experience shows that the ice ax is a very reliable contraption in the right hands. good
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      Historical experience shows that the ice ax is a very reliable contraption in the right hands.

      and at the right time hi
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      Quote: Vladimir B.
      and at the right time

      Do not outweigh everyone, you have the wrong soul!
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    Quote: Malyuta
    Historical experience shows

    Chupa chups from your mouth pull out, you are our experienced! laughing
  • Malyuta 18 February 2020 12: 42 New
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    Chupa chups from your mouth pull out, you are our experienced!

    Woah How! wassat Is it funny for you? You pull this whistle or push it deeper, or you whistle when you laugh or squat fellow When there is no money whistling, you are our mocking wink
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    Ours, just, will be scattered around the world "yours" for theft and treason of the motherland will be found and judged by a people's court.

    Have you already judged Levchenko? laughing Judged !!! Once you will seek, share, awake ... the loot! bully
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    Do not shirk the question ... are yours stealing or not?

    It is necessary to clarify who you have under the question "Yours are not stealing?". If the Communists, not those in the State Duma, then no, they do not steal. And those who are in the State Duma, then they have too few places to allow themselves to steal.
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    If the Communists, not those in the State Duma, then no, they do not steal.

    Levchenko in the State Duma?
    Quote: Arlen
    And those who are in the State Duma, then they have too few places to allow themselves to steal.

    laughing You tell this to Rashkina!
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    Levchenko in the State Duma?

    And Levchenko was accused of theft? Criminal case instituted against Levchenko? Then what to talk about request
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    You tell this to Rashkina!

    Be sure today I will write on his e-mail and tell yes
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    laughing Alexei, do not shy away from the question ... are yours stealing or not?

    They steal everything, but with ours they smeared their foreheads with greens, and with yours they transplant them from one “warm” place to another .. Feel the difference ..
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    but with ours they smeared their forehead with green,

    laughing Oh Vladimir, don’t tell me ... was Khrushchev, Malenkov, Mikoyan, Galka Brezhneva with her husband, had a green forehead?
  • Chervonny 17 February 2020 15: 56 New
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    And you? Do not steal?

    Nope, do not steal.
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    Nope, do not steal.

    They don’t share with you or you just don’t know?
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    I will tell you, do not work - you are not ready.

    But you are ready to cut.
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    And if without sarcasm - are you ready to build a new country from scratch now?

    We have already built a very successful state from scratch. Apparently you don’t know the story well if you ask such questions.
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    Do you have a leader and a program that people will follow?

    No one will give us deliverance, neither God, nor the king and not a hero ...
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    I will tell you, do not work - you are not ready.

    You are all the more unprepared. What are you trying to do there, but nothing happens.
    Quote: Mestny
    You are the people of the Holocaust who would love to fall into someone else's feeding trough. Select everything, and divide it between your own.

    Yes, the people of Holodig, thanks to those nouveau riche and the oligarchs who robbed the people in the early 90's, having taken away all their money savings, privatizing all those enterprises that our people built.
    Quote: Mestny
    And the more you build in Russia, the more your tantrum.

    In your fantasies? Take a look at the world not through the prism of illusions, and you will see how much you are mistaken.
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    Still, the feeder is then added, which means the desire to take it away more and more.

    Feeding trough ... Are you talking about the Russian budget? Oh well...
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    you are now building a new country from scratch

    Have you built anything from scratch?
    Quote: Mestny
    You are the people of the Holocaust who would love to fall into someone else's feeding trough.

    Although they admitted that they themselves had attached themselves to the trough not to tear off and prevent others who would be dragging from there less.
    I immediately warn you that my party career ended in October.
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    The union is destroyed with the tacit consent of your generation.

    If with tacit consent ... then after all, it is someone, with our tacit consent, that has destroyed ... well then you, WHO, shyly sidestep, blaming my generation?
    Quote: Red
    Sarcasm irony is not counted.

    Why is it so? Or are you a purely clandestine fighter?
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    blaming my generation?

    Not our generation defended ebn in August 91.
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    what I'm afraid that your generation will repeat the "feat" ebn !!!
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    I'm afraid that your generation will repeat the "feat" ebn !!!

    Judge by your generation? In vain.
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    Destroy the whole World of violence to the ground, and then ... and then wake up with mud and just verbally against those whom you bring to power ... and so on to infinity

    Again the damned Bolsheviks are to blame? laughing
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      Again the damned Bolsheviks are to blame?

      laughing Gene, you and the Bolsheviks are two different planets !!!
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      Again the damned Bolsheviks are to blame?

      They always blame the Bolsheviks. There have been no communists in power for 30 years, and they all blame them. hi
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        Quote: Arlen
        Quote: Gene84
        Again the damned Bolsheviks are to blame?

        They always blame the Bolsheviks. There have been no communists in power for 30 years, and they all blame them. hi

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    Go to the barricades comrade !!!! Destroy the whole world of violence to the ground, and then ...

    You would really like this ... It is for this that a well-known organization of 340 people was created under the leadership of a well-known "duelist" in the country ...
    We are preparing for legal elections ... hi
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      You would really like that.

      I would like, Yuri Vsilyevich, for what and for whom do you do verbiage?
      Quote: ROSS 42
      a well-known organization of 340 people was created under the leadership of a well-known "duelist" in the country ...

      Well, it means that this office was not created in vain if it is a little afraid of a bourgeois!
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      You would really like that ...

      Of course, they would really like people to go out to the barricades. They are afraid that we may come to power legally. And if people go to the barricades, they will immediately kill two birds with one stone, they will remove the communist opposition and retain power. hi
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    Go to the barricades comrade !!!!

    Are you a provocateur? Otherwise, I cannot interpret your words.
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      Are you a provocateur?

      Are diapers in pharmacies over?
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        Are diapers in pharmacies over?

        Need diapers?
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    Well then, do you do verbiage then? Go to the barricades comrade !!!

    Provocateur, however.
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    And we want Russia to become again a Great World Power not in words but in deeds.
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    gouged the USSR, and now again you pull your little hands to awaken again !!! negative
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    And who is holding you here? In this country".

    and who keeps you in our country? Dorval to power, the results of "ZERO". Can you get to the warm south before you are sent to the cold north?
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    And who is holding you here? In this country".
    Go to another, fabulous, where everything is fine.

    - said (blundered, as always) the head of the migration service ... or the state? lol
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    And you, my friend, speak like a provocateur, like a real one))) In what army do you "serve"? .. Amerikos?
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    Do not want to be fooled, keep your brains fresh, if education allows you to read scientific literature written by well-known authoritative people. Weak preparation should be read at least scientifically popular, but also with selection. As for the various historical books, the truth of the facts presented must be checked by comparing at least 3 independent sources. All this is useful for general development. I studied at the institute so at my home I had my own library and I taught myself.
    1. Mestny 17 February 2020 09: 31 New
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      What for? They such an author will pour a wagon, they know what the country in which he lives - and everything is in order. You can continue to vote in chorus.
      From scientific literature, the brain of wrestlers with a cut may burst with no habit.
      There they are, they are writing articles for themselves, they are commenting in chorus, they are setting their own pluses.
      1. Arlen 17 February 2020 15: 24 New
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        Quote: Mestny
        There they are, they are writing articles for themselves, they are commenting in chorus, they are setting their own pluses.

        I don’t understand, are you jealous? Envy is a bad feeling. Envy is one of sins.
  • Malyuta 17 February 2020 09: 23 New
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    Quote: ROSS 42
    By the way, among the people you meet less and less often the naive "Pinocchio" who blindly believe in the "capitalist" future of Russia.
    One can argue with this thesis. Look, they have been lying to us for more than 20 years, they are lying about everything and everything, they are lying about the fight against corruption, about the most terrible missiles, about armats, about lifting from knees, about average s / n, about economic growth, about Portugal, which catch the hell about 25 million jobs, about the 2020 program .. they lie, they lie and they lie. Its persistent adherents of Putinism continue to believe in it and not only believe but take a militant position. Who can answer me what drives them?
    1. ximkim 17 February 2020 10: 09 New
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      [/ quote] Who can answer me about what drives them? [quote]
      What if not for the GDP, then there would still be 90 g and he would have lifted the country off its knees. Now it sits on a leather chair. . And basically, these are older people, already the vests on themselves are ready to tear.
      1. Serg65 17 February 2020 10: 54 New
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        Quote: ximkim
        And basically, these are older people, already the vests on themselves are ready to tear.

        Nitsche son, here with a bare back in torn panties you walk and in 10 years you will also tear a vest laughing .... from the population of those who are too lazy to learn from other people's mistakes ????
        1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 04 New
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          They do not know.
          They think that the 80s and 90s are such a horror story from old-timers.
          1. Serg65 17 February 2020 11: 12 New
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            Quote: Mestny
            They do not know.

            Not the namesake, they all know, but they naively think that when they sell their homeland they will remain on the horse ..... naive!
            1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 22 New
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              Someone will stay. And there are those who really believe that it is worth removing the thieves' regime, and immediately milk rivers flow in the jelly banks.
              They are told that this power does not give, and that is how the people themselves can cope.
              1. Arlen 17 February 2020 15: 29 New
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                Quote: Serg65
                when they sell their homeland, they will remain on the horse ..... naive!

                Whoever shouts louder is right. You scream the loudest ...
                Quote: Mestny
                power does not give

                The authorities should adopt the right laws to improve the life of the population ...
            2. novel66 17 February 2020 12: 09 New
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              but as you dreamed ... under the speech of Gorbachev ... not a bottom to him, not a tire, hello, Marsoflot! hi
              1. Mestny 17 February 2020 12: 11 New
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                They now tell us that these people were so naive, unprepared. Therefore, he managed to deceive him like that.
                And who these people have done so for several generations do not say ...
              2. Serg65 17 February 2020 14: 59 New
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                The fifth ocean lord is healthy hi
            3. Malyuta 17 February 2020 14: 04 New
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              Quote: Serg65
              but they naively think that when they sell their homeland they will remain on the horse ..... naive!

              Well, yes, yes ..... Kaneshno, we’re sawing the “East”, we are selling the taiga to the Chinese, we are saving tons of money in Musar’s apartments, we are taking out people's money to offshore, we are also inventing arbidol, we are buying up real estate in the west and citizenship from we all have the Order of Malta.
              But what are you jumping for, for the cross-section, for Miller, the Rotenbergs, Deripaska, Abramovich, Mordashov and bring them numbers?
              The caregiver in d / s receives 15 tyrov, and you probably got well settled, quit at age 45, get a decent pension, I suppose you get some kind of benefits, but this caregiver needs to be up to 60 years old to earn a 10-ty pension pension.
              Are you honestly not ashamed when you are defending the current situation in the country? Just wondering. hi
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                Quote: Malyuta
                Are you honestly not ashamed when you are defending the current situation in the country? Just wondering.

                Most likely you will not wait for an answer ...
                1. Malyuta 17 February 2020 15: 37 New
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                  Quote: Arlen
                  Most likely you will not wait for an answer ...

                  Well, yes, shame and conscience are not included in the conceptual data set of gaspods.
                2. Serg65 18 February 2020 13: 03 New
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                  Well, yes, shame and conscience are not included in the conceptual data set of gaspods.

                  Are you silent to yourself, young man?
            4. Serg65 18 February 2020 13: 03 New
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              Quote: Malyuta
              Are you honestly not ashamed when you are defending the current situation in the country?

              It was not at all embarrassing, it was embarrassing in '91 when a screaming man like you fell asleep an ardent Communist, and woke up as a democrat laughing , moreover, a month later, he became a believer wassat
              Quote: Malyuta
              And here you are, for whom are you jumping?

              For himself, for his children, for his father, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, who, for 75 years, finally remembered that he was a WINNER!
              Quote: Malyuta
              for the section, Miller, the Rotenbergs, Deripaska, Abramovich, Mordashov and they have a number?

              The better they are Novikov I.T., Grishin V.V. Well, or let's say Levchenko S.G. ???
              Quote: Malyuta
              and you are probably well settled

              I’m not complaining, not a millionaire, but I have enough, until retirement thanks to Yeltsin and another communist flip-flop for another 10 years, there are no benefits! Any questions?
              1. Malyuta 18 February 2020 15: 10 New
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                Quote: Serg65
                It was not at all embarrassing, it was embarrassing in '91, when the same screamer like you fell asleep an ardent communist, and woke up as a democrat, moreover, a month later he became a believer
                This is clearly not about me., I do not change my beliefs, although I was not a member of the parties.
                Quote: Serg65
                For himself, for his children, for his father, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, who, for 75 years, finally remembered that he was a WINNER!

                Yeah, I see. , that is, you are quite sure that your galloping for this power will bring children dividends in the form of a happy life.
                I sincerely wish your father health and longevity! hi
                Quote: Serg65
                I’m not complaining, not a millionaire, but I have enough, until retirement thanks to Yeltsin and another communist flip-flop for another 10 years, there are no benefits! Any questions?

                I don’t understand what the ebn, pension. Age, the current president raised us without reason.
                I have no other questions, you are not stubborn, but just a lost stray.
  • Ross xnumx 17 February 2020 10: 39 New
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    Quote: Malyuta
    Who can answer me what drives them?

    They are driven by the desire of a “speculator”. Do nothing, but manage to remove the “foam” from someone else's work. The only way. Normal people who worked all their lives, content with miserable "handouts" in the form of salaries and pensions, began to abhor it. They don’t want to live like that anymore.
    That is why all this “brotherhood” is trying to prove and show that we have never lived in a country so well and well-fed, as with the great fairy-tale galley rower ...
    hi
    1. Malyuta 17 February 2020 10: 54 New
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      Quote: ROSS 42
      Normal people who worked all their lives, content with miserable "handouts" in the form of salaries and pensions, began to abhor it. They don’t want to live like that anymore.

      It can be added that pensions were also deprived, only deprived people are still in the midst of a zombie propaganda developed by citizens of Malta, Cyprus, the British Isles and other Western countries working on a rotational basis. Dr. Goebbels against them is just a small child.
      1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 07 New
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        Wake up.
        You are fighting in a country you have invented. In reality, nothing in this form exists.
        You have a control marker - the real opinion of the people, expressed through elections.
        There is another marker - the number of participants in your rallies against the regime.
        Ask yourself - why are you so negligible?
        Should everyone around eat the last crust of bread?
        Is the wrong people?
        1. Serg65 17 February 2020 11: 14 New
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          Wake up.

          Sergey, do not break their business!
          1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 20 New
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            That's it. Business. Only in blood, though only possible so far.
            I will always support my country, no matter what happens to it. I always speak openly about this, and I will not change my opinion.
            This is patriotism, not clownish dances on troubles and problems.
            1. Arlen 17 February 2020 15: 33 New
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              Business. Blood only

              You have apparently already set up your own blood business. Otherwise they did not write it ...
              1. Serg65 18 February 2020 13: 05 New
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                You must have already set up your own blood business

                Baby, the blood is ahead of you, you begin to get used to the blood, then train on cats or something!
              2. Arlen 18 February 2020 13: 08 New
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                Old man, you're just some kind of maniac ...
                Quote: Serg65
                Baby, the blood is ahead of you, you begin to get used to the blood, then train on cats or something!
              3. Serg65 18 February 2020 13: 15 New
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                Quote: Arlen
                Old man, you’re just some kind of maniac ..


                Quote: lexus
                Ours, just, will be scattered around the world "yours" for theft and treason of the motherland will be found and judged by a people's court.

                Quote: Malyuta
                Historical experience shows that the ice ax is a very reliable contraption in the right hands.

                laughing And am I after that a maniac? Or do you dream of staying with clean hands?
        2. Arlen 17 February 2020 15: 36 New
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          I will always support my country, no matter what happens to it.

          In 1918 they were so white. They also said: "I will always support my country, no matter what happens to it." As a result, they escaped under the wing of the Entente and other possessed Führers and from there poured "truth" into their country financed by the enemies of our state.
          1. Serg65 18 February 2020 13: 07 New
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            In 1918 there were so white

            So in the 18th and the other communists were, no match for you, lol
          2. Arlen 18 February 2020 13: 12 New
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            yellowhorotam

            Syazvili? I hope you feel better from trying to humiliate our generation?
          3. Serg65 18 February 2020 13: 17 New
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            I hope you feel better from trying to humiliate our generation?

            Well are you all hiding? Either for the people, or for the generation ..... can you answer for yourself?
          4. Arlen 18 February 2020 13: 20 New
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            can you answer for yourself?

            Trying to be witty? You can’t try, you’re not witty.
  • Lexus 17 February 2020 14: 44 New
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    Look, when you “throw in a breakthrough”, “start sofa” do not burn.
  • Ross xnumx 17 February 2020 11: 57 New
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    Quote: Mestny
    Is the wrong people?

    Really! Why don’t they go to rallies? Does anyone show these rallies?
    We saw how during working hours they campaign in support of GDP. Only they did not take part in this show. And he gave his new work jacket to a rally to his workmate. She hung in the booth for several years after that. And I brought people to the booth, opened the door and, pointing to the jacket, said:
    - She saw Putin!
    I also don’t understand what the people are furious about? With fat, or what?


    belay
    1. Mestny 17 February 2020 12: 15 New
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      You won’t believe it, but yes - with fat.
      The number of iPhones at such a rally just rolls over.
      Full, impudent faces, perfectly dressed.
      Why did they go to the rally? Because they drove into their heads that this is not enough, they also need something to be cheap, like in America. Well, of course, for freedom. That is, to do what I want.

      And most importantly - how many of them come out there? Is there at least 1%?
      For example, in France - yes, they do. Probably there is a reason. And we probably do not.
      1. Octopus 17 February 2020 15: 26 New
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        Quote: Mestny
        Because they drove into their heads that this is not enough, they also need something to be cheap, like in America. Well, of course, for freedom. That is, to do what I want.

        No.
        Have you heard about ISIS banned in Russia? One of the slogans of his supporters, in addition to Allah and all this subject: "I will not live in humiliation".
        The feeling of injustice is a very strong feeling, it cannot be treated with an iPhone, I assure you. It led many people and leads much further than a meeting with ducks. I hope you will not undertake to assert that in today's Russia there is no place for a sense of injustice.
        Quote: Mestny
        For example, in France - yes, they do. Probably there is a reason. And we probably do not.

        On the contrary. The Russians have, the French do not. You probably heard Comrade Stalin's toast for the patience of the Russian people. So the French people are no different from the word in general.

        And if you change “patience” to “clogging”, it will become clear why it is bad for everyone, but young and weak Muscovites come out who, in your opinion, are not so bad. That is why they come out. Because not yet used to the place at the bucket.
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          Quote: Octopus
          One of the slogans of his supporters, in addition to Allah and all this subject: "I will not live in humiliation."

          therefore, the drain of boobies there and flooded !!! request who is easy to lure ??? pralno ... a person with cereal in his head ... if you season it with religion, then you will trample even more, which, in addition to general cereal in the head, have religious problems !!! wink Well, the bulkers and pseudo-communists have enough simple cereal in their head to fall out at a rally !!! laughing it is good that the bulk has not yet begun to use the Igilovsky technique !!! wassat
      2. Arlen 17 February 2020 15: 40 New
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        Quote: Mestny
        The number of iPhones at such a rally just rolls over.

        And all the iPhones are imported ...
        Quote: Mestny
        Full, impudent faces, perfectly dressed.

        In all import ...
        In other words, our country is economically dependent on the West.
        Quote: Mestny
        Why did they go to the rally?

        For the truth.
        Quote: Mestny
        they got it into their heads that this is not enough; they also need something to make it cheap, like in America.

        We do not care about America, we live in Russia ...
        Quote: Mestny
        Well, of course, for freedom. That is, to do what I want.

        You should know that the Communists are opponents of anarchism ...
        1. Nikolai Grek 17 February 2020 17: 24 New
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          Quote: Arlen
          In other words, our country is economically dependent on the West.

          your geography is bad !! wink like mowing down under the Communists, but everyone admires the West laughing
      3. Stas 17 February 2020 19: 38 New
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        Well, I will answer you, although I rarely write. Himself a pretty well-to-do person, but when my mother receives a beggarly pension of 11 tyr., My grandmother [the kingdom of heaven] received 11 or 13 tyr, and they worked all their life, I feel sorry for our hard workers. I can help my family, but then why the state? Justice is needed and a point, otherwise, without feedback, the state is spreading and destroying itself, naturally the indigenous population falls under the distribution. It is a fact, and it is our business, to point out errors, otherwise we are ordinary housekeepers. This is in short. He who has brains will understand, but those whom God has deprived - anneal further. There is still a limit, but not much.
  • Whalebone 17 February 2020 21: 41 New
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    There is no election in the normal sense of the word. All candidates are filtered even at the city council level. A candidate inconsistent in three instances will never enter the State Duma. The orders according to the results of the “vote” are lowered 3 months before the “election”. Who are you noodles hanging on the ears about the "election"? Do you know why UVP in case of AP and each governor exists? To create the visibility of this "domestic policy". In my youth I worked in the elections for 7 years. The latter ended in 2004 when there was real competition of candidates, programs and elected headquarters at the mayor’s level, and the last provincial ones in my region were in 2001. Next, imitation of procedures, screening of objectionable ones and mobilization of the “electorate”. There is no competition at all.
    There are not a few of us, much more than you. And you will soon finish the game, for they brought the country to a state of boiling already.
  • Malyuta 17 February 2020 11: 01 New
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    Quote: ROSS 42
    speculator. " Do nothing, but manage to remove the “foam” from someone else's work. The only way. Normal people who worked all their lives, content with miserable "handouts" in the form of salaries and pensions, began to abhor it. They don’t want to live like that anymore.

    It can be added that pensions were also deprived, only deprived people are still in the midst of a zombie propaganda developed by citizens of Malta, Cyprus, the British Isles and other Western countries working on a rotational basis. Dr. Goebbels against them is just a small child.
    1. Mestny 17 February 2020 12: 25 New
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      The best hassle is your own wallet. You do not know the fighters with the regime?
      So - while the bulk of the population will live as it is now, it may even be a little worse - none of your dances with tambourines around the authorities will work.
      People have a place to live, what to eat, what to wear, and what to move around on. The vast majority.
      Do you not understand this?
      1. Malyuta 17 February 2020 14: 48 New
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        Quote: Mestny
        it can even be a little worse - none of your dances with tambourines around the authorities will work

        Well, skakuzy jumped up, here on a neighboring branch, the judge of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation says that the USSR was an illegal formation. Receive, sign and download further.
  • mat-vey 17 February 2020 06: 23 New
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    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Bullshit on bullshit

    You don’t need a knife at the fool, you’re lying to him from three boxes
    and do what you like with him ...

    And for me it’s more like a thimble ...
    1. Svarog 17 February 2020 07: 19 New
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      Quote: mat-vey
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Bullshit on bullshit

      You don’t need a knife at the fool, you’re lying to him from three boxes
      and do what you like with him ...

      And for me it’s more like a thimble ...

      I want to twist the twist I want to deceive .. Yes, exactly ..
      1. mat-vey 17 February 2020 07: 20 New
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        And right there under the guise of one of his own, he also fumbles in the pockets of onlookers.
  • Svarog 17 February 2020 07: 17 New
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    Be careful, dear readers. And look around three times before shouting "Urya!"

    This phrase must be made the motto of VO! Although, I think that all sane and so well understand everything ..
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      Quote: Svarog
      all sane and so understand everything perfectly

      Everyone understands everything. But besides the "top". The tops love illusions.
    2. Malyuta 17 February 2020 09: 32 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      This phrase must be made the motto of VO! Although, I think that all sane and so well understand everything ..

      Now, sanity is not in fashion, you will be immediately ranked among the skakuases, the Zhidabandera from Nikolaev, gas department agents and employees of 125 convoys, they will remind you how bad they were in the 90s and about analagafnettsdelanounas ..
      1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 10 New
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        Well, then of course you are lying
        In the 90s, everything was just fine. But in Russia nothing is produced at all.
        I wish you victory in your fictional war against a fictional country.
        Have fun. Only do not meddle in reality.
    3. Serg65 17 February 2020 10: 56 New
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      This phrase must be made the motto of VO!

      And rename the site in the "mouthpiece of the Communist Party and all offended" laughing
      1. Malyuta 17 February 2020 15: 03 New
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        Quote: Serg65
        And rename the site in the "mouthpiece of the Communist Party and all offended"

        No, not like that, it doesn’t sound like that, but the “musar messenger" is very much so. All cardboard “marshals”, “admirals”, “rear admirals”, “generals” of all stripes, bear, grishka, horseradish, monkey will gather on it and will wrap each other with cotton wool in their ears about who lives in Russia well. And the pros are different to arrange a friend.
        Is it really funny?
    4. Lexus 17 February 2020 14: 59 New
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      Like at the Kiev station
      Someone shouted: "Airplane!"
      All the "faces" lifted up,
      Vovka “whistled” the suitcase.

      You can update some words, and will be 100% consistent with modern Russian realities, not only "space". hi
    5. Whalebone 17 February 2020 21: 47 New
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      Yeah. I would add, “When ur cries out loud, check your pockets. Most likely they’re already rummaging around in them.”
      Oil, if anything now costs, as in 2004. But the dollar is 2,5 times more expensive. Is there any deception here? Considering that mining and export of minerals have grown, the country's foreign exchange earnings have also increased. Where did the difference go?
  • bessmertniy 17 February 2020 06: 11 New
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    This is not bullshit. This is folklore - Russian folk tales. wassat
    1. kepmor 17 February 2020 07: 24 New
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      what is interesting is that absolutely everything in person knows this most important thing ... from storytellers ...
      and the most paradoxical ... continue to believe fairy tales ...
      1. Malyuta 17 February 2020 09: 43 New
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        Quote: kepmor
        This is not bullshit. This is folklore - Russian folk tales

        Quote: kepmor
        what is interesting is that absolutely everything in person knows this most important thing ... from storytellers ...

    2. Arlen 17 February 2020 07: 27 New
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      This is not bullshit. This is folklore.

      The tale is a lie, but a hint in it ...
      This is not a fairy tale, it is just a myth.
      PSMyth is a narrative that conveys people's ideas about the world, the place of man in it, about the origin of all things, about gods and heroes.
  • Pike 17 February 2020 07: 24 New
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    And God in the constitution

    The Constitution should mention God only in one form: "Article 14. 1. Thank God, the Russian Federation is a secular state."
    1. depressant 17 February 2020 09: 33 New
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      In response to the questions "Where are we going?" and “Why fly?”, asked not only by the government, but also by society, created the so-called public “Augustine Commission” in the United States. Here in this commission, professionals - specialists and experts - discuss and outline the strategy of the space future. We do not have such a commission, and okay. To keep what is, and to the people, as colleagues correctly noted, are fairy tales.
      Once, a common problem with space both in us and in the USA was that for every failure (the death of astronauts, a rocket fall, a mismatch, a break in communication, etc.), an institute, factory, training ground, etc. have everything you need. And then it turned out that the system is cumbersome and poorly managed. The United States optimized it to a small number of, say, industry units, giving a lot to private owners. So far it’s not very frisky, it’s even worse for us, since they merged everything into one structure - Roscosmos. It turns out what they left from, and to that they came. And optimization was understood as a reduction in the number of enterprises with their landing on a hungry rations. Khrunichev brought to a debt of 100 billion! And skillfully created a personnel problem. Roscosmos employs 190 thousand people - pensioners, almost pensioners and green youth. Due to the insignificance of salaries as a way to optimize the industry, experienced middle-aged specialists, that is, energetic, offering something, have almost disappeared.
      Here is how it was possible to give space to journalist and politician Rogozin?
      They say that many problems in the space industry of Russia, the USA and China are created by officials. Only in addition to generally recognized problems do our officials create another one for which they put it on the wall for China.
      1. l7yzo 17 February 2020 11: 35 New
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        And didn’t you think why everything is somehow stopping at everyone all over the planet ?? Well, I'm talking about flights ??? What, for example, do not allow private traders to fly up, that other countries that are not “trusted” are not allowed?
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    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 17 February 2020 06: 00 New
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      The fact that there are a lot of successful launches, and we do not take into account more than the adversaries ...
      Which adversaries, in Ukraine? Or is it using military tricks when Rocket Lab launches are attributed to New Zealand?
      1. Hunter 2 17 February 2020 06: 16 New
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        You from Ukraine - of course it is clear that everything is tied to you .... the center of the World laughing We look and just analyze the number of starts.
        Yes .... where is Ukraine.? Simply no
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 17 February 2020 06: 49 New
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          Quote: Hunter 2
          We look and just analyze the number of starts.
          Well, there Russia is inferior to China and the United States (if you do not unsubscribe Rocket Lab launches from them), that's why I ask - what kind of adversaries are we talking about?
          1. Brancodd 17 February 2020 09: 24 New
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            Well then, write down alliances with the Kuru to Russia
            Roscosmos -25 launches. All are successful. Budget - 3 billion S
            NASA has 27 (6 New Zealand). Budget - 21 billion S
            ESA has 9 (1 - emergency). Budget - 14 billion EUR
            China has 34 (2 emergency). The exact budget is unknown. But according to estimates, it is not inferior to NASA.
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 17 February 2020 10: 45 New
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              Well then, write down alliances with the Kuru to Russia
              How does one follow from the other? "Electrons" launches Rocket Lab - an American company. Alliances with Kourou are launched by Arianspace, a European company.
              1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 12 New
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                And where are the Unions doing?
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                  You ask such questions more carefully, otherwise you will have to record all the launches from the Sea Launch and all the Zeniths from Baikonur to Ukraine.
                  1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 27 New
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                    In Ukraine, they are collected, and then not completely.
                    They are made in Russia. So no, you don’t have to.
                    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 17 February 2020 11: 30 New
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                      In this case, write to Russia in general all the space launches in the world, guided by a purely sense of deep inner conviction.
                      1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 40 New
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                        What for?
                        If a rocket has 70% of the parts made in Russia - why shouldn't I talk about it?
                        Or is it forbidden?
              2. Brancodd 17 February 2020 12: 33 New
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                Very easy to follow. Unions are completely made in Russia. Our specialists are preparing from launch. We built the launch pad. Let EKA write down everything he wants on his own account, and even better, let him learn how to make at least a dozen starts without accidents.
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        2. Malyuta 17 February 2020 13: 46 New
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          You from Ukraine - of course it is clear that everything is tied to you

          Ah ha ha laughing Are you also skakuas? Download for retirement? Well, all right, but why did you comment on Pro Skomorokhov? Are you afraid But you are not afraid to put cons from under the silence and write admins to the administrators, you and your codela are not afraid either. But about comparing launches with us and the adversaries, it somehow doesn’t work out for you laughing What is pattern breaking, brain explosion, cognitive dissonance?
          Everything is right for you. ROSS 42 (Yuri Vasilievich) says, Kodla, she is Kodla negative
      2. Liam 18 February 2020 10: 49 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        The fact that there are a lot of successful launches, and we do not take into account more than the adversaries ...
        Which adversaries, in Ukraine? Or is it using military tricks when Rocket Lab launches are attributed to New Zealand?

        And from Baikonur-Kazakhstan
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      1. Snail N9 17 February 2020 06: 27 New
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        Go to the "news feed" and look at the headlines for "news" -75% of them about "foreign countries", Lukashenko (the same, by and large, is "foreign") and Syria (Syria in general, a separate topic is directly " beloved cow of the “power sector”, along with “it is clear who”), 20% of how we’ll heal and “here we will change the constitution and then ...” and only 5% really about what happens in the country, and that’s just reprints from regional media outlets that have been printed or somehow “slipped”. It seems that all the “news” in the media comes down “from above” in the form of an obligatory public the "training manual’ which most even are too lazy to retell in their own words (or are not lazy, just don’t want to be accused of “distorting information” later), that’s why everywhere you go, the same thing goes on, the same thing words.
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      AUL 17 February 2020 09: 22 New
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      Quote: Hunter 2
      Nuuuuuu, according to the author - we are sitting still. The fact that there are a lot of successful launches, and we do not take into account more than the adversaries ...

      Alexei, is this article about the number of launches? Do not try to replace the topic of conversation now, it will not work! The thing is that everyone lies to us - the government, officials, the media, and other scammers. That people have not believed in all kinds of promises and promises “from above” for a long time, they know that they will throw it all the same. That none of these professional promises of responsibility "for the bazaar" is not.
      Well, successful launches - they, of course, have a place to be, who is arguing.
    4. Malyuta 17 February 2020 10: 27 New
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      Quote: Hunter 2
      always comfortable position - hold the thief .... especially if you

      A curious attack on Skomorokhov, only to continue the phrase of courage was not enough. “We would have the enemy on the horns, the current skin road and the horns now are also not cheap.” (C) It's ridiculous.
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Nuuuuuu, according to the author - we are sitting still.
      We do not sit still, but sow the ocean depths with our companions and manage to drop even a Gagarin rocket.
      Quote: Hunter 2
      successful launches A lot, and more than the adversaries do not take into account ...

      Let us listen to you carefully, and you will tell us about successful launches with us and the adversaries! Only without trollins and flooding, only quantitative indicators with numbers. This will be an interesting conversation.
      We are waiting!
      1. Mestny 17 February 2020 11: 14 New
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        A curious attack on Skomorokhov, only to continue the phrase of courage was not enough.

        Is he a leader and a guru? Not provided with other opinions?
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        We do not sit still, but sow the oceanic depths with our companions and manage to drop even a Gagarin rocket

        Well, well ... well, how did you say something there?

        Quote: Malyuta
        Only without trollin and flood, only quantitative indicators with numbers

        Come on, come on ... baby.
  • Vyacheslav Viktorovich 17 February 2020 05: 55 New
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    Naturally, everyone who was not lazy (and not laziness was practically all) joyfully picked up all this, thoroughly discussing the prospect for the city and the region and so on.
    Yes this is some kind of friendly fire.

    https://topwar.ru/166207-pod-voronezhem-nachnet-rabotu-klaster-po-proizvodstvu-kompozitnyh-materialov.html
  • mat-vey 17 February 2020 06: 06 New
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    If you lie about the past, where sometimes you don’t need to look for documents too much, then what about the “future”?
    1. bessmertniy 17 February 2020 06: 16 New
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      The past is epics, and the future is fiction. And the most notorious science fiction manages Roscosmos. wassat
      1. Yngvar 17 February 2020 07: 40 New
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        Company "Rogozkosmos"!
        1. bessmertniy 17 February 2020 07: 53 New
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          Here they prompt - the company "Horns and Hooves." wink
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          Quote: Yngvar
          Company "Rogozkosmos"!

          "RogozRaspilkosmos!"
  • KCA
    KCA 17 February 2020 06: 10 New
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    The causal relationship is broken, the “Orel” (Federation) did not fly not because there is no ready-made suitable launch vehicle, and there is no suitable launch vehicle, since the “Eagle” significantly exceeded the set weight, now it will be gutted to reduce weight
  • Thrifty 17 February 2020 06: 20 New
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    Roman, have you ever seen Rogozin near Voronezh? An hour did not go to open a trampoline-space plant? And he left the economy with the heading “you can do it” —as the authorities and ranks of all levels and stripes can ride on our ears, telling tales.
  • Ryaruav 17 February 2020 06: 29 New
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    in the language of grind about the future, it’s not concrete things to do today, it’s easy and simple
  • parusnik 17 February 2020 06: 46 New
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    It’s so impressive that we live in a country of literary heroes .. and specifically the literary heroes of Saltykov-Shedrin ...
    1. mat-vey 17 February 2020 07: 24 New
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      Maybe we are just returning to the Saltykov-Shchedrin country?
    2. Stas157 17 February 2020 08: 05 New
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      It’s so impressive that we live in a country of literary heroes .. and specifically the literary heroes of Saltykov-Shedrin ...

      I have such an impression for a long time. What does reality sometimes plunge into Kafka's surrealism.
  • viktor_ui 17 February 2020 06: 55 New
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    Well, but in our country roskokosmos took care of the trams for the very thing ... "Why is Rogozin angry, or What does a tram look like from Roskosmos from Urgant's joke" - read it and you can still believe in the widest gait of our space reserve for the future. Apparently, the tram to the Lagrange point ... to Mars will be launched at leisure wassat How do you like Ilon Mask? Yes, we are all waiting for the CAC test along with the big broadcaster of a heavy rocket carrier ... the tram there will look SIMPLY EPIC as a useful save load good All enemies will simply die of envy.
    1. Svarog 17 February 2020 07: 23 New
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      Well, at our place, the roskokosmos took care of the trams for this very thing.

      You did not understand Rogozin laughing that space tram... wassat
  • Hazarov 17 February 2020 07: 01 New
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    Thu! Right, opening!
    The author you from the moon came to us in Russia? Ali how?
    Everything is so here!
    And national projects without a nation, and Armata palamata, and Kuzya burned down, and saved to our government we sell rubles for a bunch of trillions, and import substitution, etc., etc.!
  • rocket757 17 February 2020 07: 01 New
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    For example, voting on constitutional amendments.
    And how not to vote? We are under the leadership of the party and its general ...

    And how can this affect the attitude of the people to power ???
    The author seriously believes that the people, the bulk, are direct, direct. there is a concern for THIS and other similar ... crap?
    In short, the author should disconnect from the social network environment and go down to earth our sinful, unsettled, in many ways ... time, time.
    1. parusnik 17 February 2020 07: 08 New
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      Greetings! hi Everything is much simpler, the government once again was lucky with the people, people with the government ... That's how we live .. smile
      1. rocket757 17 February 2020 07: 45 New
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        Good morning Alex soldier
        The dilemma is old, but no less relevant.
        And we, like, have no one to blame ourselves, we chose these ourselves.
        And the people, this value is constant, unchanged, applied to one sixth of the land ... however, this is already in the past ... unfortunately!
      2. Mestny 17 February 2020 09: 41 New
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        Yes, you are not lucky with the people.
        For the most part, he does not understand you, because you live in a made-up country. This country is only on the Internet, in it the people eat up the last hedgehogs, everything is destroyed, nothing works, everyone steals.
        The people in the elections said their word.
  • viktor_ui 17 February 2020 07: 14 New
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    I’m looking at all this nonsense happening and I have CONFIDENCE that this erases the memory of really the great heritage of the USSR, where the stub of ROSKOSMOS is the brainchild of KOROLEV, KELDYSHEV and other great people who did, at one time, impossible after the Second World War as soon as possible . Put at the head of any business the thieving mediocrity and after some time this CASE will receive a common noun in the subconscious of many due to the long chain of chronic negativity and regular failures. Where are the Rogozin promised epochal launches in 2019 that were supposed to amaze everyone and everything? Where, where, in Karaganda ... belay Although ... Tram and I are in shock.
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      Where are the Rogozin promised epochal launches in 2019 that were supposed to amaze everyone and everything? Where, where, in Karaganda ... Although ... Tram and I are in shock

      And what is also interesting .. this person is still at work, although he must have been at the labor exchange for a long time ..
      1. rocket757 17 February 2020 07: 50 New
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        And what is also interesting .. this person is still at work, although he must have been at the labor exchange for a long time ..

        Hi soldier
        Well sho you so, "radically" ... they immediately, on business, must be sent to the "resort", to fresh air, a zone of clean, virgin, ecology !!!
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          Well sho you so, "radically" ... they immediately, on business, must be sent to the "resort", to fresh air, a zone of clean, virgin, ecology !!!

          Good morning Victor!
          To begin with, all the same, to the labor exchange, and then let the competent authorities understand it .. hi
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            Vladimir, those cunning guys from their "warm little places" still need to be picked up. And this, in some cases, is a big problem.
      2. Malyuta 17 February 2020 09: 52 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        And what is also interesting .. this person is still at work, although he must have been at the labor exchange for a long time ..
        Actually, for such things you could get an article and a forehead in the green.
        1. Svarog 17 February 2020 09: 55 New
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          Actually, for such things you could get an article and a forehead in the green.

          It’s “right”, but they cannot even be fired .. failed all projects and feels great ..
          And the practice with green on the forehead is clearly not enough .. without it, things will not move from our dead center ..
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          Actually, for such things you could get an article

          Yes. And now it is also possible, Article 128.1 of the Criminal Code. Slander.

          Quote: Svarog
          And the practice with green on the forehead is clearly not enough .. without it, things will not move from our dead center ..

          Start with yourself, set an example.
          1. Gene84 17 February 2020 10: 56 New
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            Quote: SaltY
            Start with yourself, set an example

            Before advising others, start by setting an example for yourself.
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            Quote: SaltY
            Yes. And now it is also possible, Article 128.1 of the Criminal Code. Slander.

            Can. And what is the libel?
    2. rocket757 17 February 2020 07: 47 New
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      Put at the head of any business the thieving mediocrity and after some time this CASE will receive a common noun in the subconscious of many due to the long chain of chronic negativity and regular failures.

      Probably more complicated \ easier. Create a SYSTEM where this notorious "thieving person" will feel comfortable and then it will manifest in all its glory!
  • Lamata 17 February 2020 07: 48 New
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    Well, the media needs to live like that! So they follow the path of Ren TV !!! Our bureaucrats space-loving space, which Eagle, when will you launch Science?
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      Well, the media needs to live like that! So they follow the path of Ren TV !!!

      Would you be more careful or something. And even VO are also mass media. Moreover, sometimes

      you’re just wondering where so much arrogance from people comes from with such free compositions

      That’s really the truth, the truth is neither to add nor to take away.
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        where is the word about VO in my comment. And you don’t need to act as a public lawyer.
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          Quote: Lamata
          where is the word about VO in my comment

          Quote: Lamata
          Well, the media needs to live like that!

          Quote: SaltY
          IN - also the media

          What's not clear?

          Quote: Lamata
          no need to act as a lawyer

          When I need your advice, I will ask you about it.
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            Ok there is such a thing
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  • mark1 17 February 2020 08: 02 New
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    If you delve into the details, everything looks bad, but not as much as it seems originally.
    “Fedya with a walkie-talkie” - In principle, we don’t really need it. With all that is required now, Soyuz is also doing a great job (cost-effectiveness in its favor). The lunar program where the “Eagle” would be needed is planned for the 28-30th year. Moreover, the lunar program, in terms of flying around the “Union,” can be completed (it was designed for the lunar mission). Now, if the “Eagle” hadn’t reset instrument (orbital) compartment - then! ..
    Soyuz 5 - Zenit on steroids. Zenit is not a Ukrainian but a Soviet rocket manufactured in Ukraine and 70% composed of Russian components and materials. Zenit is an element of the Energy program and is by no means outdated. When transferring production to the Russian Federation, it is planned to use, in part, “Proton” technological equipment, hence the increased diameter of the steps (Proton 4,1M) and, as a result, higher load-carrying characteristics.
    "Argo" is a dark horse, a private initiative.
    Problems in the space industry began not yesterday, but from the period of the 90s-zero years. when all our AcadEmics and managers rushed (first reasonably. to save the industry) under the wing of the Americans, but were carried away by selfish issues and some of their “deeds” were at the level of state treason. It’s necessary to sort it out now, but it’s not so simple.
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      I agree. "Zenith is a Ukrainian rocket ...". Is that quality analytics? From the word "anal". I do not understand the point of throwing a tantrum about an article from a regional newspaper.
  • shinobi 17 February 2020 08: 02 New
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    First: All developments of something new in rocketry are always state secrets. From here follows the second: Rogozin’s position is to snatch from the rostrum. And if he tells the truth, he’s pushed back. They can tear off his head along the way for disclosure.
    PS: In my humble opinion, there is a technology crisis in the space industry (not only ours). Like it or not, little has changed since the time of Koralev and Fonbraun. If, for example, electronics has gone to quantum technologies since the first transistor appeared, then in rocket science we are trampling on the development of the late 70s. A dead end. Even Musk would seem to be an advanced one, but he reanimated the pre-war concept of missiles. Stagnation. One way or another, the missiles remain disposable. Now everyone is clinging, it is completely unclear why, for manned flights to the moon and and the moon. We don’t need to develop a new rocket for this, we can do it with Proton, because it’s clear even to a person very far from space that they need to be assembled in orbit according to the modular scheme, like the ISS was assembled otherwise everything just loses all meaning. having attached the landing module to it, the benefit was that it was developed and worked back in 60. Question, but should I? Based on the available open data, there is a reason for opening a new space race (including the Lunar-Martian race), but it lies in a completely different plane which, if they tell us about it, it won’t be very soon. And it seems that this hurry doesn’t endure. Hence, these are throwing between projects, which direction to choose, which to build first, and what to put in the box. In the West, if to throw away loud statements and outright boasting, the same situation.
    1. Lamata 17 February 2020 08: 13 New
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      Well said !!!
    2. Mestny 17 February 2020 09: 44 New
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      Fuh!
      Thanks really. And then I already thought here some alternative-gifted fighters with the regime gathered.
    3. donavi49 17 February 2020 10: 08 New
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      Proton - a heptile smokehouse. You do not drive leaded gasoline. Legislatively forced to overpay for normal, without tetraethyl lead. It’s similar here. Today, only ICBMs can fly in a heptyl smokehouse.

      As for chemistry - well, at first glance it is. In general, moving. The most promising area is LNG fuel. The main medium engine in the USA is made under it (BE-4). Musk with his engine is already at the flight stand stage. The Chinese are sawing their methane engine and launch vehicle at an accelerated pace. There are demonstrators in Russia - Rogozin blamed last year, such a promising topic, but the corporation has no money to pour in, because everything went to save Khrunichev.

      A huge breakthrough in technology, design. 3D printing of rockets, tanks, engines is already a reality.

      Reuse - at Mask 4 times Block5 flies. Today, the accelerator flies (if it is not transferred again by weather) for the fourth time, which last time brought the load out less than 75 days ago. Beck from Rockettaba has already conducted 2 telemetry tests, their program for this year:
      - launch from a new site in the United States.
      - Photon's conclusion, their unique offer in this class is the energy base for cubes / boom / bus. Planned 170kg to the orbit of the moon.
      - The first attempt to land the launch vehicle.

      Well, there is no direct breakthrough of the level from the piston to the jet era. And while it is unclear what will shoot. Chemical engines at the conclusion - this is the only thing that does not break physics for the foreseeable 50-70 years. There are more options in space. The same solar sails - but to make them the right size / weight, it is desirable to produce in space. Next year, a satellite will fly - which will print solar panels in space on a 3D space printer. Electric rocket engines and other ion-exchangers require a large peak power supply. The nuclear tug is stalled. Yes, and he will not open the real gate to space, it is necessary to scale even further. But why??? Even in 20-30 St. G, one cannot reach any new land with any known technologies. Robots are less expensive to research their system.
      1. remal 17 February 2020 15: 37 New
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        Union 5 in Samara was initially made under the methane engine, then from Moscow they were forbidden to develop this topic, transferring it to the RD-171 project. And here is the CH. The CH is underloaded, the industry leadership has not been able to come up with anything sensible in 10 years, because in principle it is not capable of this. As for money, he who seeks finds. The US and China and Brazil are developing heptyl projects. Yuzhmash recently concluded a contract with India, they work with Canada. Only in our country the whole cosmos is reduced to budget financing and at the same time shy away from any international competition.
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          Well, Heptyl in the first step is a dead end. The United States does not have heptilok now (either hydrogen-oxygen, or kerosene-oxygen). Brazilians have new kerosene oxygen. China is now actively developing new launch vehicles, for LNG, for kerosene oxygen. India is not very good, but historically, ecology is in last place in them.

          If the CH is bankrupt, then Rogozin will be thrown out of the chair without options. Therefore, the CH will feed the underloaded and pay off debts for it.

          Rogozin complained that there is no money for the development of promising rocket engines
          "We are leaders in rocket propulsion in the oxygen-kerosene direction, but promising problems are methane engines, hydrogen topics"Rogozin told reporters during a visit to the Khrunichev Center.

          "Such developments are in Design Bureau of Chemical Automation, we carefully examined their practical feasibility. It is really possible to do this in a couple of years, but for this we need funds that Roskosmos does not yet have available, they are all invested in the implementation of the financial recovery plan for leading enterprises"- said Rogozin.

          Well, where did the money go:
          Rogozin reported about 44 billion rubles. to save the Center. Khrunicheva
          Roscosmos found the cause of the multi-billion-dollar debts of the Khrunichev Center. This was stated by the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin, reports RIA Novosti.

          “We got to the bottom of the reason: physically, production logistics do not allow the company to produce products with sufficient cost and have the necessary margin for contracts", Said the head of the state corporation.
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            “We got to the bottom of the reason: physically, production logistics do not allow the company to produce products with sufficient cost and to have the necessary margin for contracts,” the head of the state corporation said.

            And for this dima it took only a few years. In the furnace of such leaders.
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            Virgin Galactic is the most advanced and promising commercial project, powered by heptyl. They are going to carry tourists. In addition, there are dozens of private companies in the United States. What is there just not there.
            As for India, they work with hydrogen + solid fuel. Yuzhmash is not very suitable for them, but they found a common language, but there is no Roskosmos. The Brazilian spaceport is located almost at the equator and works with heptyl, there was a project with Ukraine, now with Israel, China and the USA. With those who have something to offer, with whom it is more profitable. Well, if Roscosmos has the task of smashing the Central Churches, then they have nothing to offer. I will not comment on Rogozin (there are a lot of very incriminating materials regarding the CH).
      2. remal 17 February 2020 15: 55 New
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        As for LNG, the logic here is of course iron, since the West made LNG today, then we need to do LNG tomorrow. In fact, it means you need to throw out those who closed LNG projects yesterday. And tomorrow it is necessary to make hydrogen, ion engines, etc. Tomorrow, it is not - "after 2030 someone else will do it", tomorrow it is what is being developed now to fly by 2025.
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      “In my humble opinion, there is a technology crisis in the space industry (not only ours) ...”
      In the West, well, not quite like that - the “process has begun” and continues: different missiles / engines / capacities / prices:
      “We drove higher” (Russian)
      Outrunning Russia: who and how is building new missiles in the USA
      https://lenta.ru/articles/2020/02/16/newspace/
      1. shinobi 20 February 2020 00: 36 New
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        Naturally, I went, because they used Soviet technology in the 90s.
        1. eklmn 20 February 2020 02: 31 New
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          “... because they used Soviet technology in the 90s.”
          They not only wiped from the 90s, they wiped from the 19th century the periodic table and Popov’s radio from the beginning of the 20th century, and they use it to the full and are not recognized !!!!
  • Million 17 February 2020 08: 23 New
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    The king and his retinue completely lied.
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    Come on, you all know that in 2015 we landed on the moon, and from this year on it began the industrial production of helium 3 (https://iz.ru/448077/sergei-leskov/my-poletim-na-lunu-za -iadernym-toplivom), so why are you panicking? wassat
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  • Sardanapalus 17 February 2020 08: 46 New
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    The key to the development of the solar system and deep space, no matter how you look at it, is the moon. The creation of a permanent lunar base in the image of the Antarctic should be a task for the near future of mankind. And any Great Country.
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      Well, Russia in one person for the money does not pull.

      Even if you take a Gateway, then there is the USA - PH + 50% manned ship + PPE (power plant module with engines for orbit correction) + residential module and airlock. EU - 50% of the manned vehicle + 70% of the truck + science module + 50% of the second residential-multifunctional module. Japan - 50% of the residential-multifunctional module + 75% of the logistics and storage module. Plus roboruki from CSA ASC (Canada).
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      To master the system, the moon should not have bases, but full-fledged cities with all the associated infrastructure. Kosmoverfi. This will be, if it will, in 100-150 years. Everything rests on transport systems. As long as the cost of transferring goods into orbit costs from 2,5 up to 35 thousand green for a kilo, what kind of moon exploration can we talk about? Such no state can pull. The price should be, at least, as with regular air transportation, because at the initial stage of construction of a reference cosmodrome for the construction of the primary base, everything will have to be imported from the ground. ordinary "tent" camp for stoiteley will cost US $ 2-3 trillion (at least) without any commercial otdachi.Tak that all Americans are loud statements on this subject you can safely turn a deaf ear.
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        Just stake out .. initially without any cosmodrome. And just learn to extract oxygen, hydrogen, water from the local resources. Not much needed. If you estimate how much Russia has forgiven for the last 10 years to "friends" who have not actually paid off their investments, then it’s clear that we can completely pull the base on the moon.
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          Based on this, it is believed that the one who first raised the flag he staked. From this point of view, the USSR did it in 60. Again, there is an international treaty excluding the right of ownership of celestial bodies for a particular state.
  • Vasily Ponomarev 17 February 2020 08: 56 New
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    “In December, we published the good news that these same space composites will be poured near Voronezh. Here is the news that came from the press service of the Composite Cluster of the NEO Center.” - recalls the situation with the Boeing brought down by Iran https: //topwar.ru/166569-kolichestvo-raket-jakoby-sbivshih-boing-v-zapadnyh-smi-uzhe-vozroslo-do-dvuh.html just go in and read the comments, find out which people are sitting here
  • frolov andrey 17 February 2020 09: 02 New
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    Crush their Roman!))
    Remember, you were supposed to be about who will be president after and Rogo-in was among them.)))) Damn, I also seriously thought about as a candidate. What is unreasonable (I wanted to call myself based on Dostoevsky’s novel "" - the censor bot did not miss) I! He did not manage to competently manage Roscosmos: he ate his cheeks - he doesn’t catch mice !!
  • v_bueff 17 February 2020 09: 05 New
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    What Zenith did not please the author?
    1. Mestny 17 February 2020 09: 47 New
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      He is Putin's. They can’t afford to give anything to this regime. Everything they have to be covered in mud, every little thing.
      This is such a struggle. You just need to understand its price, and the possible results. and accordingly try to prevent them. Although, in my opinion, they themselves do a good job. The farther they write, the more vicious, hysterical, but recognizably stereotyped. They will cease to be taken seriously.
  • Ros 56 17 February 2020 09: 07 New
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    I have been swearing (in decent form) for a long time here on the site on these balabolkins.
  • Mestny 17 February 2020 09: 28 New
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    The author was a little mistaken. Not 156%, but 146%.
    Really for so many years it was not possible to learn the manual by heart?
    Well, of course, beauty. Malice oozes from every line. literally on the verge of hysteria.
    What a blessing that real affairs have nothing to do with scribes. Let it choke, but the caravan is still going. Slowly but coming.
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      Yes, in principle, it fits the concept of "hysteria." Smerdyakovschina ...
  • Brancodd 17 February 2020 09: 50 New
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    But in the "normal countries"!
    The United States still does not have its own rocket engine such as the Russian RD-180, and it will not be possible to find a replacement until at least 2030. This is stated in the report of analysts of the US Congress, prepared for American lawmakers, reports RT.

    According to the drafters of the report, at the moment the United States has nothing to replace the Russian rocket engine, since the proposed alternatives cannot achieve the same results as the RD-180 demonstrates. The creation of its own domestic rocket engine with similar characteristics will take at least 10 years.

    Even in the case of a smooth and exactly on schedule transition from RD-180 to other engines or launch vehicles, it is likely that the performance and reliability indicators currently achieved using the RD-180 can only be reproduced much later than 2030

    - the report says.
    1. Octopus 17 February 2020 16: 11 New
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      Quote: Brancodd
      reports RT.

      Who else.
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      proposed alternatives cannot achieve the same performance as RD-180

      The proposed alternative does not reach RD-180. She generally flies on a different fuel pair.
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  • U-58 17 February 2020 10: 50 New
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    For an outside observer (layman) who is outside the structure of Roscosmos, the newspaper Argumenty Nedeli can be considered a reliable source.
    The guys got there (or rather, preserved) and toothy and competent.
    They write the truth, the uterus, remaining on a completely patriotic position.
    But even they do not fully represent the problems and problems of Roscosmos.
    But the common denominator is known - financing.
    More precisely, underfunding.
    Even if the topic of looting is discarded, as the weather does not do the general work flow.
    That is, it is not necessary to set and ask for finances, but to set goals based on financial capabilities.
    With this approach, you see, and awareness will come about the premature closure of the production of Proton, and about the uselessness or even harmfulness of the Angara.
    Yes, a lot will become clear if "stretch legs on clothes"
  • ximkim 17 February 2020 11: 05 New
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    Quote: Serg65
    Quote: ximkim
    And basically, these are older people, already the vests on themselves are ready to tear.

    Nitsche son, here with a bare back in torn panties you walk and in 10 years you will also tear a vest laughing .... from the population of those who are too lazy to learn from other people's mistakes ????

    )) I don’t plan to go bare-back, and I’m not going to tear the t-shirt for the current government. Not only studying, but also studying so that pitfalls and the like do not come out hi
  • Alexander X 17 February 2020 11: 20 New
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    I will neither defend nor discredit those in power. I can only say that everything is relative. Little fact. I drove not so long ago for 2 km on the highway. The highway, which traveled about 20 years ago. If then I was driving along the track and clinging “ski” (such a protection is on the bottom of the car), the track was as long as the track was knocked out and could barely weave, being afraid to leave the wheels in potholes, now it’s been flying quietly and 110 km / h (traffic police are not dozing) and only enjoyed the smooth road. And such tracks in my travel radius were set up and repaired everywhere. Is this an achievement? I think so.
    Officials steal, also a fact. But on the other side of the scale. All stores are littered with products - a fact in plus. There is frank guano, and there is also the meat of gobies from the Volga islands, natural fattening ... Earn and buy what you like. Does anyone have small salaries? This is bad. And due to my labor activity, for the last 20 years I have been able to observe organizations with salaries higher than the average European ones. It all depends where, with whom and how to work ... Is it a plus sign? So it is necessary to analyze. And then they yell like a Khazanov parrot: "guard! They don’t report meat to a lion ..". So you yourself and think about who those who are calling for a change of power are: the mistaken or enemies of Russia .... IMHO ...
    I will add: for disrupting the most important state programs, I think it is necessary to imprison for 15 years, and if there is embezzlement, the highest measure. And one more thing: a small example about crying about low earnings. Yesterday I was looking for those who wanted to dig 6 pillars at 1,2m depth at me. Searched among those who constantly aching that they have nowhere to take money, no one tore his ass from the stove to work. I suggested that they name the price themselves ... So it's not for everyone who has a small salary, the state is to blame .... IMHO ...
  • solovald 17 February 2020 11: 24 New
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    Well, we have long been accustomed to the "tales of the white bull", especially in the field of economics and ... recently - in the field of space. Recently, walking to the kitchen by the TV, out of my ear I heard how our Chief, after the usual "no time to swing", was broadcasting about 7% of the annual GDP growth ... "Oh, these tales, oh, these storytellers."
  • AleBors 17 February 2020 11: 37 New
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    So I always doubt, but I am constantly accused of unpatriotism))
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  • Alexander Poplooukhin 17 February 2020 15: 58 New
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    Sorry, but how can Soyuz-5 send a ship, a lunar module and all at once to the moon? Yes, and fuel? In the past, it was necessary for the lunar mission to send superheavy Saturn-5 with a load capacity of 140 tons on a DOE and 65.5 tons on a trajectory to the moon, but now they will use a middle class cargo ship with a carrying capacity of 17 tons on a DOU? It turns out that on the trajectory to the moon, Soyuz-5 will deliver only 8 tons. It is not enough.
    Even the carrying capacity of the Angara-5 is not enough to launch a lunar mission.
    Well, or a lot of launches and assembly of the ship in orbit.
    1. Bratkov Oleg 17 February 2020 21: 11 New
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      Super heavy
      Quote: Alexander Poplooukhin
      Sorry, but how can Soyuz-5 send a ship, a lunar module and all at once to the moon? Yes, and fuel? In the past, it was necessary for the lunar mission to send superheavy Saturn-5 with a carrying capacity of 140 tons on the NOU and 65.5t on the trajectory to the moon ...

      Where did you get information about Saturn? This is an American bike, propaganda of the American way of life ... In fact, even the Soyuz-Apollo flight took place without the Americans, at that time they could not launch a single astronaut into orbit. Turn on your brain, Amstrong did not see stars in space !!! This point alone is enough to prove all the lies of the United States, and even without a filter, they walk on the Moon, under the gentle Sun ... There are hundreds of the most mediocre mistakes in this scam, they are only blind, or a believer in the USA does not see them.
  • remal 17 February 2020 16: 03 New
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    Angara A7 can bring "union" to the moon. Moreover, the third stage will be accelerated to the moon on the basis of RD-0124MS. And already in DMU display the DM block, as it was originally intended. This is enough to participate in the programs of near-moon stations. In the future, you can develop a new ship. Instead of linking DM + service module of the union, there will be a service module on a pair of kerosene / synthine + oxygen, as it was in Buran. Use the detonation engine as the engine, the basic performance has been confirmed, it will take 5-10 years to bring it to mind. This will be a new ship following Federation / Eagle.
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  • Campanella 17 February 2020 16: 25 New
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    Up front, this is the normal state of the Russian authorities.
    Ukraine, of course, is not a role model, but they have taken and normalized, tied the salaries of officials to the salaries of ordinary people. And our bloodsuckers only moan there in their communism about the poor Russians, but in business they behave like the last world-eaters. They’ll correct the constitution for themselves and will sleep peacefully on.
    The most interesting thing is that the constitution is purely declarative in nature, and all the sweets are packed in by-laws.
    That is, the people are loud words, and themselves gingerbread. The fact that now there is not a constitution but a declaration, but the fact that they are planned just the same in profile.
    And the profile of such an unaccountable unlimited power is the power of a group of individuals usurped by it.
    So the economy is just a consequence of the elite not being controlled by the people.
  • vladimych 17 February 2020 17: 42 New
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    Once planned to build, build.
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      Build. Here's an example:

      The construction of the Arctic icebreaker began in 2013, and it was launched in 2016. Initially, the commissioning was scheduled for December 2017, but by the end of 2019, the icebreaker was ready at 87,7 percent. On February 4, 2020, during commissioning of the electric propulsion system on the icebreaker, the right-hand rowing electric motor failed, after which the deadlines for the ship's delivery were shifted indefinitely.

      Nobody needed a Russian passenger plane Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ-100), which is produced by the Sukhoi Civil Aircraft company. The company did not receive a single order for its liners in 2020, Reuters writes citing sources.

      Or they won’t build it. Something about Poseidon, the petrel and other zircons, even according to the zombie creature, is silent.
  • Whalebone 17 February 2020 17: 54 New
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    For all 7 years, for me it has been an indicator of the moods of a rather conservative part of society. For the last couple of years, I have been witnessing a change in the mood of a large number of readers from moderately positive to completely critical of the government. Nevertheless, people are beginning to understand that the picture does not coincide with reality. All the stronger does not match. So the society is getting healthier and the hassle of propaganda is less and less effective. This power has broken, it is an ideological and essential bankrupt. It is impossible to infinitely instill doublethinking and believe that everything is in order.
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      The last couple of years I have been observing a change of mood

      because they began to drown for the "communists" !!! wink such a canoe happened to "media" called swpress !! lol
  • Lekz 17 February 2020 20: 22 New
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    Chef, everything is lost, everything is lost! Plaster is removed, the client leaves ...
    About Voronezh. 15.01.2020/1/2020 More than XNUMX billion rubles invested in the first phase of the Composite Cluster project in Voronezh. In the SEZ PPT "Center" on the site of the new plant "IR Maslovsky" completed the main construction work. Specialists have begun installation of high-tech European equipment. Commissioning of this phase will begin in the first quarter of XNUMX.
    And the fact that there is still no Eagle is annoying, our author urgently needs to go to the moon. Now, and not in 2028. Can we help tovarischu?
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      For the moon, the "Eagle" is heavy, but as a tractor it can work. For the moon, reactors, toxic elements like iodine may be needed to bring all this into orbit, it makes sense to use the SAS as a reserve, the Federation / Orel has a lot of them. But it is better to use the same alliance together with your own pH, there statistics have been accumulated.
  • Erik 17 February 2020 20: 27 New
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    A country called the Russian Federation - there is fake and props. Trampolines in every home!
  • Erik 17 February 2020 20: 28 New
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    Quote: Lekz
    Chef, everything is lost, everything is lost! Plaster is removed, the client leaves ...
    About Voronezh. 15.01.2020/1/2020 More than XNUMX billion rubles invested in the first phase of the Composite Cluster project in Voronezh. In the SEZ PPT "Center" on the site of the new plant "IR Maslovsky" completed the main construction work. Specialists have begun installation of high-tech European equipment. Commissioning of this phase will begin in the first quarter of XNUMX.
    And the fact that there is still no Eagle is annoying, our author urgently needs to go to the moon. Now, and not in 2028. Can we help tovarischu?

    Yes, yes, and then it will be like with a factory of "super-megacomputers" I only forgot its name. Well, the one that recently went bankrupt literally. Do you get info on the "doneuvas" site?
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      Well, the one that recently went bankrupt literally. Do you get info on the "doneuvas" site?

      He draws it from there, as he draws from buckets of manure.
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      What will happen there, and with the plant, too, Wang knows. To you to her. I'll wait for my hair to tear.
  • Bratkov Oleg 17 February 2020 21: 03 New
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    1. What right do you have to tell the citizens of the country where to go from their country?
    2. Where is the honesty in your position in jumping like "for"?
    .

    One-sided attacks are basically strange that the moderator has not yet deleted your opponent. Here you can only cry how the whole of Russia was plundered, while the name of Yeltsin or Gorbachev cannot be mentioned.
  • Brancodd 17 February 2020 21: 10 New
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    We are discussing the forecast of the "cleaning woman" from Voronezh in the regional newspaper. Well, let's look for decency how it is with the plans in the "normal countries"
    Plan N1
    Washington will refuse additional purchases of Russian rocket engines after fiscal year 2022. This was at a hearing in the committee on the affairs of the armed forces of the House of Representatives of the Congress, said the commander of the United States Space Forces, General John Raymond
    [/ i] It was in September 2019
    Reality. 2 weeks ago.
    The United States still does not have its own rocket engine such as the Russian RD-180, and it will not be possible to find a replacement until at least 2030. This is stated in the report of analysts of the US Congress, prepared for American lawmakers,
    According to the drafters of the report, at the moment the United States has nothing to replace the Russian rocket engine, since the proposed alternatives cannot achieve the same results as the RD-180 demonstrates. The creation of its own domestic rocket engine with similar characteristics will take at least 10 years.
    Even in the case of a smooth and exactly on schedule transition from RD-180 to other engines or launch vehicles, it is likely that the performance and reliability indicators currently achieved using the RD-180 can only be reproduced much later than 2030
    Plan N2
    Last November, US Vice President Mike Pence burned bridges and announced the ambitious plan of the US administration:
    “Before the spring of next year (2019), we will see how an American astronaut on an American spacecraft from American territory starts in space,” he said. “We will have our own means of delivery into orbit, and we will no longer need to fly on Russian ships.”
    Reality. October 2019. The U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration requested Roscosmos additional space on Soyuz spacecraft for its astronauts in 2020 and 2021. Director of NASA "refers to a certain situation related to the fact that there is a delay in the creation of commercial ships for the delivery of American crews to the ISS."
    Plan N3
    American astronauts will return to the moon in 2024. This statement was made by US Vice President Michael Pence in an interview with CBS.
    According to Pence, on the moon, the Americans plan to create a bridgehead for the subsequent development of Mars.
    Recall, US President Donald Trump said on July 4 that US residents will soon witness the appearance of the American flag on the surface of Mars.
    “I want you to know that we will return to the moon very soon, and soon we will set the American flag on Mars,” he addressed the audience.
    Reality has not come yet, but is rapidly approaching. So, 4 years left. Hey conquerors, is your spacesuit shaking you? Apparently Pence will step on the surface of the moon first.
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      The RD-180 has all trouble-free launches. Even if they create a better engine in the USA, in order to establish itself as as reliable as the RD-180, it needs to develop statistics for 10 years. This is actually discussed in the report. Which does not cancel plans to replace the RD-180. A new engine has been developed in the USA for a long time in the year 22; Well, at first they will be tested, actually this is what we are talking about.

      N2
      In 2019 there was a successful launch of the crew dragon, and partially successful of a new Boeing ship, there is a shift to the right, but in general the deadlines are respected. A shift to the right by 5-10 months, Roscosmos has 5-10 years, these are trifles, including those on a composite ship that was announced a long time ago, it seems like it should fly, and now they say that they are starting to build a plant ...

      N3
      The SLS rocket is ready, the first launch of 20-21, then the increase in power in a couple of years, due to additional stages. Then they will do Upgrade, if they do not reduce the price, then by the end of the decade the project will most likely be closed, since private reusable ones will fly by then, hence the rush to 2024. What Roskosmos is doing, well, is pulling with China, except in space costs. Someone correctly said about such missiles. Winning the race will be a defeat for the country (in finance).
      1. Mathafaka 18 February 2020 01: 13 New
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        Listen, you are a very smart person. You understand that it makes no sense to answer such switchmen.
        They have all two answers:

        1. And here the blacks lynch

        2. And they have a printing press

        They do not see beyond their distortions and arrows, do not understand the need to move on.
        There are problems in the USA, there are delays, but these are not empty projects, not public relations of officials. Inveterate businessmen, seasoned commerce, move America forward. As it always has been.
        Returning steps, already several years ago, have become a reality. Perhaps this year will be the 100th launch of the Falcon 9.
        May 7, the first manned launch of the Crew Dragon

        By the beginning of 2021, Space X will have more satellites than any country, including the United States itself.
        And you think this will convince local switchmen?

        They will begin to say: 《And when will Musk fly to Mars? 》
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          Inveterate businessmen, seasoned commerce, move America forward.

          This is the USA moving its propaganda in your head !!!

          Here are the real US achievements in space over the past half century:

          1) 1st satellite and 1st person in space - solid 2nd place ...
          2) Apollo project - Hollywood mess and mountains of lies ... The evidence of the sea is the main fact that no one still flies to the moon ...
          3) SOI program - cartoons for naive townsfolk who don’t even closely understand the physics of near space and the difficulties of using laser weapons in Earth’s orbit !!!
          4) The miraculous successes of Mask and the frank lies of politicians about future manned flights to the moon and Mars ... This lies since the 80s of the last century, that is, already half a century !!! Phrases like "We'll Return to the Moon" are nothing more than the chatter of politicians ...
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            But what I want to especially note is how this lie is presented !!! Based on the analysis of Western media (TV, journalism and literature) I conclude ...
            Americans use the following lies technology:
            1. Promising or developing projects are submitted to the media already as a ready victory for the United States,
            2. The truth about the achievements in space of past years (especially naturally the achievements of the USSR) is substituted, or this is silent ...
            3. The technology of informational light and shadow - illuminate what is on to where there is no need to let fog in ... There are areas of space exploration where the USA is really strong - these are space satellites ... Infa sea - movies, shows, interviews, articles, books and much more ... Analyze how much you want ...
            There is an area of ​​space exploration where the United States is weak - it is manned flights ... There is continuous information fog, bare slogans, stupid phrases like "we were all there," and statements by politicians who all "return to the moon for some 40 years !!!" ...
            Americans are able to lie beautifully and professionally and do it globally !!! And it seems that modern Russia in the field of space exploration is trying to do the same, only doing it rude and clumsy ...
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          By the beginning of 2021, Space X will have more satellites than any country, including the United States itself.

          These are satellites displayed on low shades ... North Korea and Pakistan and Iran are doing the same ... So what? ??
          Mastering the Earth’s orbit becomes a business of commerce - and this is inevitable ... Flights are becoming cheaper and becoming more massive ... So what ???
          But all these processes should not be confused with the development of, for example, deep space - billions of dollars of this are spent by only 4-5 states of the planet because no Mask has ever had, will not and will not have the resources necessary for this !!!
      2. Brancodd 18 February 2020 01: 25 New
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        I think the report makes it clear. The creation of its own domestic rocket engine with similar characteristics will take at least 10 years And this is said after 15 years of unsuccessful attempts. The creation of its own domestic rocket engine with similar characteristics will take at least 10 years.
        “The Americans thought that they would start working with us, and in four years they would take our technologies and reproduce them themselves. I immediately told them: you will spend more than a billion dollars and ten years. Four years have passed, and they say: yes, it takes six years. Years passed, they say: it takes another eight years. Seventeen years have passed, and they have not reproduced a single engine. Now they only need billions of dollars to do this for bench equipment, ”said Boris Katorgin, creator of the RD-2012 engine, back in 180, on this subject. Such weak shift to the right for several months
        N2
        The test orbital launches of Crew Dragon and Starliner, scheduled to be carried out in 2017, were repeatedly postponed. It is currently known that the first manned missions of these ships should take place in the first half of 2020. Where is the shift of 5-10 months? Already at least 3 years.
        N3
        SpaceX founder Ilon Musk believes tragedy developed by NASA for flights to the moon, a super-heavy carrier rocket SLS. Well, let's see the results. Not so long left.
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          N1 Do you have a link to the original text of the expert opinion?
          N2 They had a binding to the agreement to launch Soyuz-FG until 2019, another Soviet missile, and by this time new ships were being developed, the backlog was small.
          N3 They are going to do Super-Heavy in Russia according to the same principle as SLS, but with a right shift of at least 8 years. In addition to the rocket, the lunar ship Orion should be ready for flight this year, in total 3 new manned ships from the United States.
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    Lying about the present - and you can rake. And about the distant future ... or they will forget, or the donkey will die, or the padish will die ...
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    Good article.
    The same thing is happening everywhere in Urya-media.
    They write in a stream without subtracting.

    just gone everywhere - "Kicked off assembly of the first production liner IL-114-300 "
    and in the same article "what first flight samples will created by modernizing Soviet cars, while serial versions will going from scratch. Put the production of new aircraft on stream is planned next year. "
  • Oleg1 19 February 2020 10: 05 New
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    “The calculation here is simple: promise (or tell a lie) from three baskets, create the feeling that we’re just going to wallow and drown in accomplishments, and push something of our own on this wave.
    For example, a vote on constitutional amendments. "
    Yes! Yes! Bravo author! Particularly outraged by the inclusion of the provision on immutability of the border and the annual increase in pensions! How dare they! Wretches!
    Threat author order Mazepa yes heavier!
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    And what does your story have to do with voting on constitutional amendments? After all, it was from this that you began your bullshit. A bunch of big, this does not take away! And what does the Constitution have to do with it? In it, we just want to say: crap, clean! Do not want to clean?