Cosmic volumes of space deception and absurdity

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Cosmic volumes of space deception and absurdity

Just the other day, in a completely different article, I expressed the opinion that we have recently observed such a bad tendency: to tell tales to the people. That is, the state and near-state mass media joyfully and amicably begin to broadcast what will be accomplished, let’s say, by the end of next year. Or 2023. Or 2025. Not so important.

The calculation here is simple: promise (or tell a lie) from three baskets, create the feeling that we’re just going to get bogged down and drown in accomplishments, and push something of our own on this wave.



For example, voting on constitutional amendments.

How not to vote? We are under the leadership of the party and its general ... Okay, it's just that the United Russia party and the president, who has nothing to do with it, are doing so much historical breakthroughs that all normal citizens are simply obliged to understand and make the right choice.

And as examples (namely, examples), I’ll give a bacchanalia that began around spaceships.

In recent years, around the "Eagle" with the "Federation" heaped so much that it’s just a wonder that you get so much arrogance from people with such free compositions. But the “Eagle” and “The Fed with the walkie-talkie” turned out to be small (yes, I am aware that this is the same thing, those who write fairy tales about it sometimes do not know), they also added a certain “Argo”.

I’ll start with him. According to the chronology.

The hysteria organized by the local Vesti in Voronezh with the easy presentation of a certain Tatyana Brostovskaya is admirable. There was not a single small-town media that did not respond to the topic raised by Tatyana.

Here is a link to the material:
“Details for the new Argo spacecraft will be made near Voronezh”.

Interestingly, everything in the Vesti material is a lie and a fiction. From the first to the last letter, but I don’t even want to talk about numbers.

“The new Argo cargo spacecraft will consist of 60% Voronezh parts. They will be manufactured by the Aerospace Composite Technologies enterprise, which is part of the Composite Cluster in the special economic zone Center in the Novousmansky District. ”

Pretty, right? Buildings of factories are drawn, in which (according to Brostovskaya) this year they will begin to cast and stamp parts for this Argo. Already in 2020 !!! Beware, Musk, this is your answer!

Naturally, everyone who was not lazy (and not laziness was practically all) joyfully picked up all this, thoroughly discussing the prospect for the city and the region and so on.

What is noteworthy is that ALL that Brostovskaya dumped in her creation does not correspond to reality. To say the least.

And start in order.

No details will be produced for the ephemeral space response to Ilon Mask in the Voronezh region in 2020.

Here is a link to the website of the Department of Economic Development of the Voronezh Region. Everything related to the SEZ "Center":

SEZ "Center".

And here in this document it is clearly visible that only in 2019 the construction of this special economic zone was to begin. And here is the Residents section.

"Residents:
Currently, two companies are assigned the status of residents of the SEZ PPT Center:
- LLC "Bally", investment project "Construction of an enterprise for the production of children's gaming, sports and park equipment";
- IK Maslovsky LLC, investment project "Construction of a plant for the production of glass prepregs, foil dielectrics and technical laminates."

It remains only to decide which of the two existing participants in the SEZ will rivet the details for Argo: a manufacturer of sports equipment or technical laminates.

So, alas, there is no “composite cluster” in the SEZ. As, in fact, there is no SEZ “Center” itself.

I finish.

Here is last year’s material of the same Vesti, but Moscow. About this "Argo".

Russian Argo: Roscosmos will build a new reusable space transport.

Do not be lazy, go and read. Written by professionals not from the local media. That is why the article is replete with the words “maybe”, “supposed”, “most likely”, “when framework agreements will be concluded” and so on.

And in the last paragraph even the date is named: 2024.

But nothing, judging by Brostovskaya, everything will start much earlier. In 2020. More precisely, nothing will ever begin, because there are no factories, no sites, nothing.

So, “Argo”, if it does, then as always with us, 20 years later, after such a good cut. Well, as usual with us at Roskosmos.

Moving on.

“About Fedya with a walkie-talkie”, which became “Eagle”, we have already written more than once. “Eagle” did not begin to fly better, and last year it was actually buried due to the lack of a launch vehicle. On the ISS, taking what is expensive to the moon is not enough power.

And then - oh, a miracle! - “the flight dates of the Eagle are named! No, really, a miracle!

This time, we were pleased with Izvestia with reference to RIANews". Naturally, everyone picked up. As a result - again we sing songs to the frenzy of the brave, again we are ahead of the rest, maestro, cut the march!

“The date of the first flight of the Russian ship“ Eagle ”became known.

“The first manned flight of the new Eagle spacecraft being developed in Russia to the International Space Station (ISS) is proposed to be carried out in September 2025. It is reported by RIA Novosti with reference to the materials of the spacecraft’s developer - the Rocket and Space Corporation Energia.
Roscosmos did not comment on this information, sending it to the ship manufacturer. They didn’t respond to a request from journalists. ”

So, the cleaning lady from RK Energia reported ... However, most likely, there was not even a cleaning lady. I think that by 156% this is all fiction of another Brostian or someone else, because the material, unlike the Voronezh creation, is not even signed.

It is clear that at Roskosmos they sent to ... Energy, and there they didn’t even respond to such nonsense.

Nevertheless, a joyful cry was spread out.

The question arises: why?

Why start rumors about what will happen in 3 (first flight), 4 (unmanned flight to the ISS) and 5 (manned flight) years, if all this is just speculation, fabrication, and so on?

Probably someone needs it.

Meanwhile, on January 28, 2020, from the speech of the first deputy head of Roskosmos, Yuri Urlichich, it became known that an unmanned aerial flight of the Moon by the Orel ship is planned for 2028, and a manned flight and the development of a manned docking of the spacecraft with the lunar take-off and landing complex in 2029.

Can you believe the plans voiced by Urlichich? I am sure that it is possible. Another question, who needs to voice all this unscientific fiction, to me personally is not entirely clear.

It is not clear why this stupid fuss is needed around an empty place. Well, we already know that sometimes it takes so much time from a plan to accomplishment ... You can survive until retirement.

Let’s become very smart for a minute and ask one question: what will this “Eagle” put into orbit?

Ah, yes, in all places it is said about the Soyuz-5 rocket, aka the Irtysh.

I'm sorry, but this missile is simply not there. This is just a “promising development”, nothing more. Not even that, moreover, according to Irtysh there is not even a conceptual design approved by Roskosmos yet.

If we discard all the verbal husks performed by Rogozin, then for the whole last year there was one significant event around Irtysh / Soyuz-5: on November 7, 2019, Roskosmos postponed the delivery of the Soyuz-5 outline project for a year - by 30 October 2020 The first launch from Baikonur is still planned for 2023.

I translate: only on October 30, 2020 can it be said whether there will be a rocket or not. If so, as with Angara-5, then, of course, nothing will happen. And there Kazakhstan must modernize Baikonur under the Irtysh ...

In general, everything is not as simple and clear as we would like.

But in general, the problems of Roskosmos in terms of the corporation's powerlessness to invent at least something worthwhile, apart from Rogozin's statements, have long been known to us.

Actually, the Irtysh is nothing other than the Zenith dispersed by steroids, the launch vehicle is excellent, reliable, but frankly old, and even with a bunch of Ukrainian developments. So there’s nothing new either.

But the matter is not in claims to Roskosmos, no. This is due to the strange position of many Russian media outlets that openly circulate if not a deliberate lie, then unverified information. But, apparently, this is such a topic of the day. Lie today about what will happen in five years, and there, as the saying goes, either the donkey dies or the shah changes his mind.

Be careful, dear readers. And look around three times before shouting "Urya!"

Required postscript.

In December, we published good news that these same space composites would be poured near Voronezh. Here is the news that came from the "press service" of the Composite Cluster OSZ Center.

“A cluster for the production of composite materials will begin work near Voronezh”.

Sharing more than cautious comments from our readers, we decided to find out what this cluster really is and how things are going there.

So the continuation (and there are indications that everything will be very fun) follows ...


And the second postscript.

First: in Vesti, the text of the note was changed, but the essence was that in 2020 only the construction of the plant would begin, and not the production of parts for Argo. Sometimes you need to work more carefully.

Second: we contacted the press service of the cluster, which will be built in the near future, and together with them we will keep everyone in the know about the events taking place in this direction.
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  1. +14
    17 February 2020 05: 50
    Bullshit on bullshit and bullshit drives. And God at the constitution and what Ukrainians have there.
    1. +12
      17 February 2020 06: 08
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Bullshit on bullshit

      You don’t need a knife at the fool, you’re lying to him from three boxes
      and do what you like with him ...
      1. +22
        17 February 2020 06: 14
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        You don’t need a knife at the fool, you’re lying to him from three boxes
        and do what you like with him ...

        This is exactly what Putin and his liberals are doing. They penetrated into all spheres of propaganda.
        It is good that in the country people began to be “highlighted”, opening the eyes of the people to all these “fairy tales”, “breakthroughs” and “prospects”.
        By the way, among the people you meet less and less often the naive "Pinocchio" who blindly believe in the "capitalist" future of Russia.
        Novel! Thanks! As always to the point! good
        1. +14
          17 February 2020 06: 24
          The other day, for the umpteenth time, I reviewed "Kinzazza" .... Much resembles our current state. And three times KU! To our PZh!
          1. +16
            17 February 2020 07: 38
            Welcome to fabulous Russia, to the country of fables and varnishing of reality.

            Censorship filters out negativity, but easily skips (encourages) positive stories. This is the paradigm of the information space, which in the minds of Russians should form the "correct" image of a mighty and strong Russia, a country of high wages, the absence of oligarchs, world achievements and economic breakthroughs.
            1. +11
              17 February 2020 09: 27
              Quote: Stas157
              Welcome to fabulous Russia, the country of fables and varnishing of reality

              I would call it "The Kingdom of Crooked Mirrors", but this fairy tale, which we read in childhood, has now become a reality.
              1. 0
                18 February 2020 22: 34
                The field of fools from the fairy tale "The Golden Key"
            2. -27
              17 February 2020 09: 29
              Who's keeping you here? In this country".
              Go to another, fabulous, where everything is fine.
              1. +17
                17 February 2020 10: 14
                Quote: Mestny
                Who's keeping you here? In "this country". Go to another, fabulous, where everything is fine.

                You remind me of the skakuas from the neighboring country, you ride the same way, only with a different slogan, "who does not ride that Jidabander!" Yes, and you serve one together with the skakuas - the bourgeoisie.
                And love for the Motherland holds us here, but not for power, only you don’t understand this, a gaspadin, very similar to a horse.
                1. -19
                  17 February 2020 11: 00
                  If I am jumping, then for my country in which I live.
                  And you are jumping against.
                  To do this "for" is still much more honest and correct than vice versa.
                  As the saying goes, you love your country when it is hard. When everything is in order - every master.
                  You have come up with such a loophole for yourself - you divided your homeland and power. As if this power had arrived from another planet.
                  It is understandable, you are not the villains in the main, that you would just hate your country.
                  Need a reason for conscience. So you came up with it. More precisely, not you, everything has been invented before you.
                  And so long ago that your struggle is already becoming ridiculous.
                  1. +17
                    17 February 2020 12: 01
                    1. What right do you have to tell the citizens of the country where to go from their country?
                    2. Where is the honesty in your position in jumping like "for"?
                    "For" profiting the future of the country and the people?
                    "For" do not interfere with those who got rich?
                    Are you your eternal "for", for so shamelessly lying like about the facts described in the article?
                    What on the subject of highlighted lies do you have to object to honestly be FOR?
                    1. +15
                      17 February 2020 13: 58
                      Yes, this is "local ..." They are constantly jumping. Such people in Russia have always been condescending. The only thing when the amplitude increases - it means it's time to carry out sanitization.
                  2. +10
                    17 February 2020 17: 44
                    Quote: Mestny
                    You have come up with such a loophole for yourself - you divided your homeland and power.

                    I personally voted for the Communists. this is by no means a loophole. you correctly noticed
                    Quote: Mestny
                    this power has flown from another planet

                    Quote: Mestny
                    It is understandable, you are not the villains in the main, that you would just hate your country.

                    so hate the homeland how you hate it still worth looking for
                  3. +4
                    17 February 2020 21: 19
                    Quote: Mestny
                    If I am jumping, then for my country in which I live.

                    your jumps correlate with the jumps of these
                    gentlemen
                2. +1
                  18 February 2020 15: 44
                  Yes, the homeland is now not the USSR, is this an occasion to betray it and pour slops over it?
                  Now I remembered the old comedy "You are some kind of miserable, Merzlyaev. Pity, by God. "
              2. +15
                17 February 2020 10: 32
                Quote: Mestny
                Who's keeping you here? In this country".
                Go to another, fabulous, where everything is fine.

                And I will answer you and your entire gop company.
                You would be glad that no one bothers you to turn the once blooming land into a garbage can. It would be convenient for you that people in the country do not ask “sharp” questions and do not go into polemics about orders and instructions from the authorities. You, like those thieves who crawled into someone else's house, are disgusted by the bright light, loud screams and strangers who made you there ...
                Just and only such a comparison is applied to the situation in the country. stop Only because of the “teapot” that has jumped off the neck, we will not chop it. We will get rid of this “abscess”, and there are more and more specialists in this field.
                So you go to those countries where you managed to buy real estate, or continue to position them as an example of high spirituality, morality and “partnership”.
                hi
                1. -21
                  17 February 2020 11: 01
                  Our gop company will try not to let your gop company once again destroy everything and drown in blood.
                  I'm fine here. What am I writing about.
                  This is bad for you here.
                  1. +11
                    17 February 2020 11: 26
                    Quote: Mestny
                    I'm fine here. What am I writing about.

                    This is your and your gop company’s difference from people who empathize with others and perceive their failures with sympathy.
                    And you feel good in any situation. It reminds me of the joy of grave worms:
                    WHAT'S WHAT A WAR? WE ARE GOOD AND THIS MAIN ...
                    “- Well, what is heaven? - an empty place ... How can I crawl there? I'm fine here ... warm and damp!
                    “So Already answered the free bird and grinned in his soul over it for these nonsense.
                    “And so I thought:
                    - Fly or crawl, the end is known: everyone will fall to the ground, everything will be dust... "
                    1. -17
                      17 February 2020 12: 00
                      You see what’s the matter ....
                      We are well here, and we want others to feel good.
                      And here you feel bad, and you want others to feel bad, for example, too.
                      In other words, an ancient anecdote: "We wanted there to be no poor, and you wanted there to be no rich."
                  2. +9
                    17 February 2020 12: 05
                    Yes, 80% is not good, and millions are even officially poor (the government said that you shouldn’t refute this, apparently), and that these poor millions should be satisfied and grateful? Do not have the right to be indignant?
                    Is so many official working beggars a shame for the country every minute? Does it undermine the image of high achievements, successes, growth and breakthroughs?
                  3. +6
                    17 February 2020 17: 40
                    Quote: Mestny
                    Our gop company will try

                    Your company has already tried. the population is rapidly declining.
                  4. 0
                    17 February 2020 21: 22
                    Quote: Mestny
                    Our gop company will try not to let your gop company once again destroy everything and drown in blood.

                    What are you doing now?
                    Putin's definition of his modernization of medicine is a "catastrophe" not the blood of the dead without medical assistance, or is it not witnessing the destruction of medicine in general?
                2. -6
                  17 February 2020 11: 17
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  And I will answer you and your entire gop company.

                  You yourself, Yuri Vasilyevich, answer how you got to the point that you are pouring water on the mill of world capitalism? What makes YOU so dream of the collapse of YOUR Motherland? ... or not yours?
                  1. +8
                    17 February 2020 11: 28
                    Quote: Serg65
                    What makes YOU so dream of the collapse of YOUR Homeland? ... or not yours?

                    How do you say so as not to offend?
                    Many tend to confuse two concepts: “Fatherland” and “Your Excellency”
                    1. -9
                      17 February 2020 12: 00
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      Many tend to confuse two concepts: “Fatherland” and “Your Excellency”

                      what I confess, I didn’t understand .. what personally prompted you to destroy your Fatherland?
                3. +1
                  20 February 2020 16: 42
                  sorry, but you are no better than those about whom this article is written. the same "uryayaya !! 1" from scratch.
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  It would be convenient for you so that people in the country do not ask “sharp” questions and do not go into polemics about orders and instructions from the authorities.

                  no, everyone has already been bored with "sharp questions", the idle talk which is called polemics and, most importantly, the island-questioners have been bored. many words - no deeds. What is the point in these "sensitive issues" if they do not change anything?
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  You, like those thieves who crawled into someone else's house, are abhorrent with bright light, loud screams and strangers who made you there ...

                  Th then those who push the oligarch from the Communist Party didn’t blind their eyes .. or are these others different?
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Only because of the “teapot” that has jumped off the neck, we will not chop it. We will get rid of this “abscess”, and there are more and more specialists in this field.

                  who are "WE" then? on behalf of whom are you speaking ??? wake up! now there is no peasantry that would make up 80% of the population and work for food. now there are no workers who work for 10-16 hours! now is not 1917! there is no revolutionary situation in the country, just as there is no spacecraft manufacturing plant in Voronezh! who will pick this most chiri? bulk students? so they grow up and go to work, and from now on they will not be up to you.
                  so how are you, comrade Yuri, different from Madame Brostovsky?
              3. +19
                17 February 2020 10: 49
                Quote: Mestny
                Who's keeping you here? In this country".
                Go to another, fabulous, where everything is fine

                This is our homeland. This is our country. Our ancestors built and magnified our country. And we want Russia to become again a Great World Power not in words but in deeds.
                1. -13
                  17 February 2020 11: 02
                  Well, do not water it with slop for jokes-jokes.
                  Have an understanding of how complicated it is.
                  And then as children - I want candy right now, and at least you crack. To hysteria.
                  1. +4
                    17 February 2020 11: 35
                    Quote: Mestny
                    And then as children - I want candy right now, and at least you crack. To hysteria.

                    Uh ... there it is! Did you remember the children? For twenty years, children who wanted candy, got one wrapper from it:

                    Now, have you decided that they should say thank you? It’s you who is hysterical from the answers of grown-up children whom you once “fed” with your “sweets” ...
                    1. -15
                      17 February 2020 11: 56
                      Matured children, that's it. Adults acting like moody kids.
                      I just can’t understand - are you serious now? Really can’t imagine what kind of problems could be when running a country like ours? Or maybe this is your political struggle? Do not be shy, I will understand. So tell me - this is our business.
                      Or do you really think so?
                      However, you still can’t say it. Yes and no need.
                      1. +5
                        17 February 2020 12: 14
                        Quote: Mestny
                        Really can’t imagine what kind of problems could be when running a country like ours?

                        "Problems" of government? I recall something:
                        We create difficulties for ourselves, then to overcome them heroically ... laughing
                        In our country, there is one problem - the duplicity of power, the division of the country into "ours, which they are not in trouble" and the rest.
                        You here with foam at the mouth prove that Putin lifted the country from its knees, on which it put the EBN in the nineties. Then why did this wise figure organize a memorial to the memory of this leader?
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Those. in the 90s, children ate sweets, I understood correctly, well, if they received wrappers in subsequent years? Uncle Yura you ..... who are you?

                        That is why the most difficult operation in your "house of highly educated people" is the removal of the tonsils.
                        Let me remind you again, by "poking." You will poke if they give you ... Learn to talk correctly, then you will get answers to questions that interest you ...
                        hi
                    2. -6
                      17 February 2020 12: 03
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      For twenty years, children who wanted candy, got one wrapper from it:

                      Those. in the 90s, children ate sweets, I understood correctly, well, if they received wrappers in subsequent years? Uncle Yura you ..... who are you?
                  2. +14
                    17 February 2020 11: 38
                    What does it mean to water it with slop? If we do not agree with the current government on some issues of an economic and political plan, then we are watering our Motherland with slop? So you can say about you that you are watering the country with slop.
                    1. -11
                      17 February 2020 12: 04
                      You can say anything at all. all the more so since the word is a little worthy of us - neither responsibility for it, nor as a consequence of conscience.
                      Only here I am for her, the country. For the one that is. Not the one that’s only in the head of cockroaches. And you are against. Against that which is, but speak all the time about the invented.
                      That is the difference.
                      1. +10
                        17 February 2020 12: 16
                        Quote: Mestny
                        Against that which is, but speak all the time about the invented.

                        We are for the one that was. For a truly popular country. For the country in which every citizen has the right to a pension, to work.
                      2. -8
                        17 February 2020 12: 38
                        Quote: Gene84
                        For a truly popular country. For the country in which every citizen has the right to a pension, to work.

                        what What a fantastic country !!!! And what kind of country is this, comrade?
                      3. +6
                        17 February 2020 14: 10
                        What a fantastic country !!!! And what kind of country is this, comrade?

                        The one that you like "to the tune" of your idol and other "judges" are now throwing "galoshes". The one that today's and does not fit a candle. The one in which for the first time they flew into space and flew more than the others put together, if that.
                      4. -5
                        17 February 2020 14: 51
                        Quote: lexus
                        The one that today's is not good at.

                        Then why did you surrender it to the bourgeois?
                        Quote: lexus
                        The one in which for the first time flew into space and flew more than the rest, combined, if that.

                        30 years after October flew into space?
                        Quote: lexus
                        The one that today's is not good at.

                        A moot point!
                      5. +4
                        17 February 2020 15: 19
                        30 years after October flew into space?

                        But "today" and 30 years was quite enough to "fall" everywhere, not only from space. If you are serious, then Bravo! No more questions. stop
                      6. -1
                        20 February 2020 16: 59
                        Quote: lexus
                        But "today" and 30 years was quite enough to "fall" everywhere, not only from space

                        this is what "throw mud at your country". from space did not fall, but some scoundrels really want it to be, and some pass it off as an already existing fact. Yes
                      7. +2
                        17 February 2020 18: 59
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Then why did you surrender it to the bourgeois?

                        Those who are now in power passed it, or rather they sold it and they are now well .. they set up monuments for themselves, arranged pensions for 600 tr .. they have real estate abroad and they arranged children there ... we have several citizenships ourselves and prepared spare airfields over the hill .. and they do not care about Russia, to the point that the Russians are dying .. and you actively support them .. Amazing .. Are you an official? I even have familiar businessmen of an average hand, mother of these figures .. brought the country that only officials and oligarchs live well here ..
                      8. -1
                        18 February 2020 13: 20
                        Quote: Svarog
                        now it’s good .. they set up monuments for themselves, organized pensions for 600 tr .. they have real estate abroad and they arranged children there .. they have several citizenships themselves and prepared alternate aerodromes over the hill

                        belay So you all this mututen only out of envy started? Well it is necessary !!!!
                      9. -2
                        19 February 2020 03: 19
                        Those who are now in power surrendered it ... more precisely, they sold it and they are now well

                        Excuse me, who are "those"?
                        Are not those who were at one time in power! Yes, they are now in power.
                        Former "Komsomol members".
                        These are those who come from the USSR ?!
                        They are all "born in the USSR"!
                        And why now "groan"?
                        Something was wrong in that "conservatory". IMHO.
                        Don't you think so?
                      10. -1
                        20 February 2020 17: 14
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Those who are now in power surrendered it ..

                        truth? looked at the composition of the parties in power, and the couple did not find the CPSU ... oh yes .. the CPSU they are also of this, but the Communists themselves are not of that. the Communists themselves quickly burned party cards and were re-qualified as democrats and liberals ...
                        or are you a supporter of the idea that our modern leadership flew in from Nibiru and in 1990, having killed real guardians for the good of the people, seized power?
                        Quote: Svarog
                        and they do not care about Russia, to the point that the Russians are dying .. and you actively support them .. Amazing .. Are you an official?

                        I'm not an official, but I'm definitely not hostile his country element. I agree that it is necessary to deal with the arbitrariness of officials, but to pour dirt on any undertaking just because it comes from the authorities, this is harm to the country and not to the officials.
                        Quote: Svarog
                        I even have familiar businessmen of an average hand, mother of these figures .. brought the country that only officials and oligarchs live well here ..

                        gy gy gy laughing How did the entrepreneurs say in 1905? "the king must be brought down!" it seems laughing
                      11. 0
                        April 13 2020 01: 10
                        It’s not true Americans flew, though more than 10 times more with automatic weapons
                      12. -5
                        17 February 2020 16: 58
                        Quote: Gene84
                        We are for the one that was

                        USSR or something ??? what it was destroyed, now they have taken up Russia ??? wassat
                      13. +1
                        20 February 2020 16: 56
                        Quote: Gene84
                        For the country in which every citizen has the right to a pension, to work.

                        and now you have no right to work? or retired? or is the pension wrong and the wrong job?
                        you are like white emigration laughing "the country we lost" wassat
                        hey, maybe stop dreaming and start doing something? Well, for example, builds that country in which everything will be as it should wink
                      14. -1
                        19 February 2020 08: 57
                        Quote: Mestny
                        You can say anything at all. all the more so since the word is a little worthy of us - neither responsibility for it, nor as a consequence of conscience.

                        Are you talking about the current government? How true !!! good
                    2. -5
                      17 February 2020 12: 07
                      Quote: Gene84
                      If we do not agree with the current government on certain issues of the economic and political plan

                      He who does not agree, he offers, but does not seek out from which the fire of revolution can be inflated!
                      1. +10
                        17 February 2020 12: 20
                        Quote: Serg65
                        He who does not agree, he offers, but does not seek out from which the fire of revolution can be inflated!

                        Where did you see us called now to revolution? Again, the year 1917 gives you peace of mind?
                      2. -12
                        17 February 2020 12: 35
                        Quote: Gene84
                        Where did you see us calling for revolution now?

                        Well, modern wrestlers shredded, only to sizzle around the corner and husk seeds.
                      3. +9
                        17 February 2020 14: 20
                        But you put on a lot of weight. Because you carry the "ambition" in the bustle, and from above it strongly "crushed". And your "breakthrough" into space is peculiar, not from where it follows. As in a neighboring country "with a fork" will soon be your desires.
                      4. -4
                        17 February 2020 14: 54
                        Quote: lexus
                        "with a fork" will soon be your lusts.

                        laughing We will have a "fork" after you come to power, and soon there will be no neighboring country at all thanks to fighters like you!
                      5. +7
                        17 February 2020 14: 46
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Well, modern wrestlers shredded, only to sizzle around the corner and husk seeds.

                        Judge by yourself?
                2. -6
                  17 February 2020 11: 23
                  Quote: Gene84
                  And we want Russia to become again a Great World Power not in words but in deeds.

                  what Well then, do you do verbiage then? Go to the barricades comrade !!!! Destroy the whole World of violence to the ground, and then ... and then wake up with mud and just verbally against those whom you bring to power ... and so on to infinity laughing good ... for the oar, is it not? wink
                  1. -12
                    17 February 2020 11: 31
                    I tried to ask the Communists this question - what did you, specifically, your party build? Production, roads, kindergartens at last?
                    The Russian Orthodox Church even builds churches, of course, and you?
                    In response, only the hysteria about everything is stolen, and the damned one. Well, it’s clear
                    you don’t need to work and build, but vice versa, because the damned oligarchs will get everything. in other words - a rash of chips into the machine, hammer the sensor in the rocket with a hammer.
                    Well, at least you paint the bench. Help anyone no matter.
                    No, nothing, no answer. Only dull rallies for 50 people and horse racing on the Internet.
                    1. -11
                      17 February 2020 11: 38
                      Quote: Mestny
                      and what did you specifically build your party?

                      laughing Well, you give? They, their sworn enemy, were given the opportunity to prove themselves governors in three regions, so they managed to get so fucked up like no one would hit them! From Khodorkovsky money, at least a tithe for the elderly and orphans would be given, and the people would say thanks to them!
                    2. +14
                      17 February 2020 11: 45
                      Quote: Mestny
                      I tried to ask the Communists this question - what did you, specifically, your party build? Production, roads, kindergartens at last?

                      Who do you live for now? Due to the oligarchy or due to the Soviet legacy?
                      1. -12
                        17 February 2020 11: 52
                        Due to my work, and the work of other citizens of my country.
                        I drive along new roads, already built in Russia, illuminated by lighting devices made in Russia, I use a connection built already in Russia, I buy food products made in Russia.
                        And even I built a house for myself, already in Russia.
                        Last year, the state built a new school and a kindergarten by the most standards. Instead of 24 collective farms in the vicinity there are now 2 farms. They fully provide us with basic products.
                        Amazing right

                        And from the Soviet heritage remained the ruins of collective farms, farms, and other structures overgrown with grass. Well, dilapidated housing stock.
                      2. +10
                        17 February 2020 12: 08
                        Quote: Mestny
                        And from the Soviet heritage remained the ruins of collective farms, farms, and other structures overgrown with grass. Well, dilapidated housing stock.

                        You forgot to add that the collective farms are overthrown by the capitalists. Say a dilapidated housing fund, and who prevents the authorities from putting their houses in order or resettling people from a dilapidated house?
                      3. -4
                        17 February 2020 17: 05
                        Quote: Gene84
                        You forgot to add that the collective farms are overthrown by the capitalists.

                        I wonder if your sternum is a capitalist or what ??? what lol
                      4. -7
                        17 February 2020 11: 52
                        Quote: Gene84
                        Who do you live for now?

                        what And you, Genady ??? At whose expense? Who personally salivates your denyuzhku?
                      5. +5
                        17 February 2020 12: 06
                        Not you for sure.
                      6. -6
                        17 February 2020 12: 09
                        Well, are you so modest that?
                      7. +9
                        17 February 2020 12: 13
                        Modesty adorns a person. You apparently did not learn this ...
                      8. -4
                        17 February 2020 12: 28
                        Quote: Gene84
                        You apparently did not learn this ...

                        laughing I like young wrestlers with mode, they can’t distinguish Lev Borisyvich from Lev Davidovich, they are just newborns in scientific communism, and as you press a little, the anti-legacy soul crawls out!
                      9. +5
                        17 February 2020 14: 28
                        cannot distinguish Lev Borisyvich from Lev Davidovich

                        They don't need to distinguish your newly-minted "masters" of the Motherland - they all need to be driven. But you have learned, it is fundamentally important for you, whose "hands" to kiss, so as not to sell too cheap, and even more so, not to "work out" for free. And about the "smell" you would be silent, so as not to "wave".
                      10. -3
                        17 February 2020 14: 58
                        Quote: lexus
                        They do not need to distinguish your newly-minted "masters" of the Motherland

                        laughing good Lesha, I just laughed so right now !!!! Actually, Lev Borisych and Lev Davidovich once came up with something for which you are now tearing a throat wink
                        Quote: lexus
                        it is fundamentally important for you whose "hands" to kiss so as not to be too cheap, and even more so, not to "work out" for free.

                        Roughly, Alex and what a hysteria, have you stepped on a corn?
                      11. -3
                        17 February 2020 18: 51
                        came up with something for which you are now tearing your throat

                        It is you who are fighting with your gang for the ideas and promises of your idol. I would not be surprised if before that you were a patented expert on scientific communism. And I will not be amazed when you again begin to "change shoes" in a jump in front of your eyes. For "your brother" - this is an ordinary event - to "reverse" when it is profitable or scary. Make sure that you do not step on the "callus", given its location.
                    3. +12
                      17 February 2020 14: 51
                      Quote: Mestny
                      I tried to ask the Communists this question - what did you, specifically, your party build?

                      Party ... People are building, not parties. Parties are in power. Under the Soviet regime and the leadership of the CPSU (b) -KPSS, the country reached unprecedented proportions in the economy, industry, etc. Now what? I like to depend on the West in the economy - depend, but we do not want this. We want our descendants to be proud of us, just as we are proud of our ancestors. Don't you like it? Then move away, do not stop us from building a normal state.
                      1. -1
                        17 February 2020 17: 09
                        Quote: Arlen
                        And now what?

                        abruptly you jumped ... your answer is hidden there !!!
                        Quote: Arlen
                        Under the Soviet regime and the leadership of the CPSU (b) -KPSS, the country reached unprecedented proportions in the economy, industry, etc.

                        then it was necessary "and it all crashed" !! wink
                      2. -4
                        17 February 2020 17: 37
                        Quote: Arlen
                        Party ... People are building, not parties. Parties are in power. Under the Soviet regime and the leadership of the CPSU (b) -KPSS, the country reached unprecedented proportions in the economy, industry, etc.

                        Fear God. By the beginning of the 80s, the USSR was already bankrupt, from the word at all. The system was not viable from the very beginning. Incidentally, this was quickly understood by Lenin, who had made all the mess. Hence, the rejection of war communism and the transition to the NEP. But this last opportunity to build socialism with a human face (like what we see today in Sweden, Norway, Denmark) was missed.
                      3. -1
                        17 February 2020 19: 15
                        Quote: shahor
                        Fear God. By the beginning of the 80s the USSR was already bankrupt

                        Here, only you are a god and are not afraid .. with you the population goes down, but you are afraid of God .. Under the USSR and in the 80s, the Russian population only grew .. and now we are dying out .. be afraid of God ..
                    4. 0
                      17 February 2020 19: 07
                      Quote: Mestny
                      I tried to ask the Communists this question - what did you, specifically, your party build? Production, roads, kindergartens at last?

                      Haha, well, you made fun, such a question can only be asked by an ignoramus who does not know history at all .. You exist, if anything, only due to the fact that there was the USSR and the Communists .. And everything that Russia uses today is built in the USSR, better tell me what has been built in modern Russia in 30 years? They ripped the country apart and sold everything and everyone .. they did nothing of their own .. Look around you and find a thing that says "Made in Russia" ..
                      In response, only the hysteria about everything is stolen, and the damned

                      Soon there will be no one to hysteria .. thanks to your prayers and the actions of your idols, benefactors, the population of the Chinese and others will be replaced ..
                    5. +2
                      18 February 2020 21: 48
                      Absolutely right!!! Only they can spray with saliva! And he personally, what they did to improve life even by a millionth percent! First of all, even! No! Only nagging and snot about the damned oligarchs, and 90% themselves do not slip from a glass!
                  2. +14
                    17 February 2020 11: 46
                    Now you are calling for barricades, not us. And verbiage is not what we do. Yes, our ancestors destroyed the world of violence and created the world's first state of workers and peasants, which, with the tacit consent of some, was destroyed into independent states, and now they are boasting of some kind of wild oligarchic system.
                    1. -4
                      17 February 2020 11: 51
                      Quote: Red
                      which, with the tacit consent of some, was destroyed by independent states

                      But from now on, Mr. Chervonny, please in more detail? Who destroyed, with whose tacit consent, and how long did they destroy?
                      Quote: Red
                      Now you are calling for barricades, not us

                      Well, comrade, somehow you didn’t go to your ancestors ... they were much more determined and didn’t hide in the bushes!
                      1. +11
                        17 February 2020 11: 58
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Who destroyed, with whose tacit consent, and how long did they destroy?

                        Hello! We arrived ... No need to build a misunderstood person and speak hints. The union is destroyed with the tacit consent of your generation. At that time, our generation still walked under the table.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Well, comrade, somehow you didn’t go to your ancestors ... they were much more determined and didn’t hide in the bushes!

                        Sarcasm irony is not counted.
                      2. -8
                        17 February 2020 12: 09
                        And if without sarcasm - are you ready to build a new country from scratch now? Do you have a leader and a program that people will follow? Here are those budget employees?
                        I will tell you, do not work - you are not ready.
                        You have nothing. You are the people of the Holocaust who would love to fall into someone else's feeding trough. Select everything, and divide it between your own. Between your own, this is important.
                        And the more you build in Russia, the more your tantrum. Still, the feeder is then added, which means the desire to take it away more and more.
                      3. +7
                        17 February 2020 12: 13
                        Quote: Mestny
                        And the more you build in Russia, the more your tantrum.

                        We have no tantrums. It’s being built, we are glad, only one misfortune is being stolen from you.
                      4. -11
                        17 February 2020 12: 17
                        This is your trouble. Do you know which one?
                        You are again trying to divide the country into "you" and "us".
                        Again. Well, as much as you can.
                        Imagine that the power you hate will decide to act by your own methods. Do you know what will happen? They will demolish all the monuments to Lenin, rename all streets and cities, ban the Communist Party and other communist parties. No communist will ever find any work.
                        Truth? This is exactly what you would do if you came to power again?
                        But the current government does not. Just because our country is different. There are Orthodox communists, there are liberal oligarchs. Anyone is there. And all this should be carried out as far as possible past the abyss - carefully and slowly.
                      5. +8
                        17 February 2020 15: 55
                        Quote: Mestny
                        Do you know what will happen? They will demolish all the monuments to Lenin, rename all streets and cities, ban the Communist Party and other communist parties. No communist will ever find any work.

                        I remember at the beginning of the 20th century the Communist Party was already banned. Remind you how it all ended? Let me remind you. This ended with the fact that the people supported the Bolsheviks during the revolution and subsequent years.
                        You have now expressed your hidden desire. But you won’t succeed.
                      6. -1
                        17 February 2020 12: 30
                        Quote: Red
                        only one misfortune is being stolen from you.

                        what And you? Do not steal?
                      7. +7
                        17 February 2020 14: 36
                        And you? Do not steal?

                        Only for some reason it is you who applauded the "space" journalist ... and from the "moth" the ELEPHANT "fanned".
                      8. 0
                        17 February 2020 14: 44
                        laughing Alexei, do not shy away from the question ... are yours stealing or not?
                      9. +2
                        17 February 2020 14: 52
                        Alexei, do not shy away from the question ..

                        This is from Roscosmos, insurers, like the devil from incense, to put it mildly, "evade".
                        yours steal or not?

                        Ours, just, will be scattered throughout the world "your" for theft and betrayal of the Motherland to find and judge by the people's court.
                      10. +8
                        17 February 2020 15: 21
                        Quote: lexus
                        Ours, just, will be scattered throughout the world "your" for theft and betrayal of the Motherland to find and judge by the people's court.

                        Historical experience shows that the ice ax is a very reliable contraption in the right hands. good
                      11. +4
                        17 February 2020 17: 54
                        Quote: Malyuta
                        Historical experience shows that the ice ax is a very reliable contraption in the right hands.

                        and at the right time hi
                      12. +3
                        18 February 2020 12: 21
                        Quote: Vladimir B.
                        and at the right time

                        Do not outweigh everyone, you have the wrong soul!
                      13. +3
                        18 February 2020 12: 20
                        Quote: Malyuta
                        Historical experience shows

                        Chupa chups from your mouth pull out, you are our experienced! laughing
                      14. +4
                        18 February 2020 12: 42
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Chupa chups from your mouth pull out, you are our experienced!

                        Woah How! wassat Is it funny for you? You pull this whistle or push it deeper, or you whistle when you laugh or squat fellow When there is no money whistling, you are our mocking wink
                      15. +3
                        18 February 2020 12: 18
                        Quote: lexus
                        Ours, just, will be scattered throughout the world "your" for theft and betrayal of the Motherland to find and judge by the people's court.

                        Have you already judged Levchenko? laughing Judged !!! Once you will seek, share, awake ... the loot! bully
                      16. +5
                        17 February 2020 15: 02
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Do not shirk the question ... are yours stealing or not?

                        It would be necessary to clarify who you have under the question "Yours do not steal?" If the communists, not those who are in the State Duma, then no, do not steal. And those who are in the State Duma, then those have too few places to afford to steal.
                      17. +3
                        18 February 2020 12: 22
                        Quote: Arlen
                        If the Communists, not those in the State Duma, then no, they do not steal.

                        Levchenko in the State Duma?
                        Quote: Arlen
                        And those who are in the State Duma, then they have too few places to allow themselves to steal.

                        laughing You tell this to Rashkina!
                      18. +7
                        18 February 2020 12: 44
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Levchenko in the State Duma?

                        And Levchenko was accused of theft? Criminal case instituted against Levchenko? Then what to talk about request
                        Quote: Serg65
                        You tell this to Rashkina!

                        Be sure today I will write on his e-mail and tell Yes
                      19. +2
                        17 February 2020 19: 16
                        Quote: Serg65
                        laughing Alexei, do not shy away from the question ... are yours stealing or not?

                        They steal everything, but with ours they smeared their foreheads with brilliant green, and with yours they transplanted from one "warm" place to another .. Feel the difference ..
                      20. +4
                        18 February 2020 12: 24
                        Quote: Svarog
                        but with ours they smeared their forehead with green,

                        laughing Oh Vladimir, don’t tell me ... was Khrushchev, Malenkov, Mikoyan, Galka Brezhneva with her husband, had a green forehead?
                      21. +3
                        17 February 2020 15: 56
                        Quote: Serg65
                        And you? Do not steal?

                        Nope, do not steal.
                      22. +4
                        18 February 2020 12: 24
                        Quote: Red
                        Nope, do not steal.

                        They don’t share with you or you just don’t know?
                      23. +7
                        17 February 2020 12: 14
                        Quote: Mestny
                        I will tell you, do not work - you are not ready.

                        But you are ready to cut.
                      24. +8
                        17 February 2020 14: 59
                        Quote: Mestny
                        And if without sarcasm - are you ready to build a new country from scratch now?

                        We have already built a very successful state from scratch. Apparently you don’t know the story well if you ask such questions.
                        Quote: Mestny
                        Do you have a leader and a program that people will follow?

                        No one will give us deliverance, neither God, nor the king and not a hero ...
                        Quote: Mestny
                        I will tell you, do not work - you are not ready.

                        You are all the more unprepared. What are you trying to do there, but nothing happens.
                        Quote: Mestny
                        You are the people of the Holocaust who would love to fall into someone else's feeding trough. Select everything, and divide it between your own.

                        Yes, the people of Holodig, thanks to those nouveau riche and the oligarchs who robbed the people in the early 90's, having taken away all their money savings, privatizing all those enterprises that our people built.
                        Quote: Mestny
                        And the more you build in Russia, the more your tantrum.

                        In your fantasies? Take a look at the world not through the prism of illusions, and you will see how much you are mistaken.
                        Quote: Mestny
                        Still, the feeder is then added, which means the desire to take it away more and more.

                        Feeding trough ... Are you talking about the Russian budget? Oh well...
                      25. for
                        0
                        18 February 2020 00: 50
                        Quote: Mestny
                        you are now building a new country from scratch

                        Have you built anything from scratch?
                        Quote: Mestny
                        You are the people of the Holocaust who would love to fall into someone else's feeding trough.

                        Although they admitted that they themselves had attached themselves to the trough not to tear off and prevent others who would be dragging from there less.
                        I immediately warn you that my party career ended in October.
                      26. -4
                        17 February 2020 12: 14
                        Quote: Red
                        The union is destroyed with the tacit consent of your generation.

                        If with tacit consent ... then after all, it is someone, with our tacit consent, that has destroyed ... well then you, WHO, shyly sidestep, blaming my generation?
                        Quote: Red
                        Sarcasm irony is not counted.

                        Why is it so? Or are you a purely clandestine fighter?
                      27. +8
                        17 February 2020 15: 20
                        Quote: Serg65
                        blaming my generation?

                        Not our generation defended ebn in August 91.
                      28. +3
                        18 February 2020 12: 26
                        what I'm afraid that your generation will repeat the "feat" ebn !!!
                      29. +4
                        18 February 2020 12: 45
                        Quote: Serg65
                        I'm afraid that your generation will repeat the "feat" ebn !!!

                        Judge by your generation? In vain.
                  3. +8
                    17 February 2020 12: 05
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Destroy the whole World of violence to the ground, and then ... and then wake up with mud and just verbally against those whom you bring to power ... and so on to infinity

                    Again the damned Bolsheviks are to blame? laughing
                    1. -1
                      17 February 2020 12: 16
                      Quote: Gene84
                      Again the damned Bolsheviks are to blame?

                      laughing Gene, you and the Bolsheviks are two different planets !!!
                    2. +10
                      17 February 2020 15: 21
                      Quote: Gene84
                      Again the damned Bolsheviks are to blame?

                      They always blame the Bolsheviks. There have been no communists in power for 30 years, and they all blame them. hi
                      1. Alf
                        +5
                        17 February 2020 19: 50
                        Quote: Arlen
                        Quote: Gene84
                        Again the damned Bolsheviks are to blame?

                        They always blame the Bolsheviks. There have been no communists in power for 30 years, and they all blame them. hi

                  4. +7
                    17 February 2020 12: 17
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Go to the barricades comrade !!!! Destroy the whole world of violence to the ground, and then ...

                    You would really like this ... It is for this that a well-known organization of 340 people was created under the leadership of a well-known "duelist" in the country ...
                    We are preparing for legal elections ... hi
                    1. -3
                      17 February 2020 12: 33
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      You would really like that.

                      I would like, Yuri Vsilyevich, for what and for whom do you do verbiage?
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      a well-known organization of 340 people was created under the leadership of a well-known "duelist" in the country ...

                      Well, it means that this office was not created in vain if it is a little afraid of a bourgeois!
                    2. +10
                      17 February 2020 15: 05
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      You would really like that ...

                      Of course, they would really like people to go out to the barricades. They are afraid that we may come to power legally. And if people go to the barricades, they will immediately kill two birds with one stone, they will remove the communist opposition and retain power. hi
                  5. +7
                    17 February 2020 14: 47
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Go to the barricades comrade !!!!

                    Are you a provocateur? Otherwise, I cannot interpret your words.
                    1. +1
                      18 February 2020 12: 27
                      Quote: Arlen
                      Are you a provocateur?

                      Are diapers in pharmacies over?
                      1. +6
                        18 February 2020 12: 46
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Are diapers in pharmacies over?

                        Need diapers?
                  6. +6
                    17 February 2020 15: 29
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Well then, do you do verbiage then? Go to the barricades comrade !!!

                    Provocateur, however.
                3. -6
                  17 February 2020 16: 50
                  Quote: Gene84
                  And we want Russia to become again a Great World Power not in words but in deeds.
                  1
                  gouged the USSR, and now again you pull your little hands to awaken again !!! negative
              4. +1
                17 February 2020 21: 17
                Quote: Mestny
                Who's keeping you here? In this country".

                and who keeps you in our country? got hold of power, the results of "ZERO". Would you like to go to the warm south before being sent to the cold north?
              5. -1
                19 February 2020 08: 48
                Quote: Mestny
                Who's keeping you here? In this country".
                Go to another, fabulous, where everything is fine.

                - said (blundered, as always) the head of the migration service ... or the state? lol
          2. 0
            22 February 2020 00: 52
            And you, my friend, speak like a provocateur, like a real one))) What army do you "serve" in? .. Amerikos?
        2. +6
          17 February 2020 07: 18
          Do not want to be fooled, keep your brains fresh, if education allows you to read scientific literature written by well-known authoritative people. Weak preparation should be read at least scientifically popular, but also with selection. As for the various historical books, the truth of the facts presented must be checked by comparing at least 3 independent sources. All this is useful for general development. I studied at the institute so at my home I had my own library and I taught myself.
          1. -12
            17 February 2020 09: 31
            What for? They such an author will pour a wagon, they know what the country in which he lives - and everything is in order. You can continue to vote in chorus.
            From scientific literature, the brain of wrestlers with a cut may burst with no habit.
            There they are, they are writing articles for themselves, they are commenting in chorus, they are setting their own pluses.
            1. +10
              17 February 2020 15: 24
              Quote: Mestny
              There they are, they are writing articles for themselves, they are commenting in chorus, they are setting their own pluses.

              I don’t understand, are you jealous? Envy is a bad feeling. Envy is one of sins.
        3. +14
          17 February 2020 09: 23
          Quote: ROSS 42
          By the way, among the people you meet less and less often the naive "Pinocchio" who blindly believe in the "capitalist" future of Russia.
          One can argue with this thesis. Look, they have been lying to us for more than 20 years, they are lying about everything and everything, they are lying about the fight against corruption, about the most terrible missiles, about armats, about lifting from knees, about average s / n, about economic growth, about Portugal, which catch the hell about 25 million jobs, about the 2020 program .. they lie, they lie and they lie. Its persistent adherents of Putinism continue to believe in it and not only believe but take a militant position. Who can answer me what drives them?
          1. -1
            17 February 2020 10: 09
            [/ quote] Who can answer me about what drives them? [quote]
            What if not for the GDP, then there would still be 90 g and he would have lifted the country off its knees. Now it sits on a leather chair. . And basically, these are older people, already the vests on themselves are ready to tear.
            1. -4
              17 February 2020 10: 54
              Quote: ximkim
              And basically, these are older people, already the vests on themselves are ready to tear.

              Nitsche son, here with a bare back in torn panties you walk and in 10 years you will also tear a vest laughing .... from the population of those who are too lazy to learn from other people's mistakes ????
              1. -7
                17 February 2020 11: 04
                They do not know.
                They think that the 80s and 90s are such a horror story from old-timers.
                1. -3
                  17 February 2020 11: 12
                  Quote: Mestny
                  They do not know.

                  Not the namesake, they all know, but they naively think that when they sell their homeland they will remain on the horse ..... naive!
                  1. -6
                    17 February 2020 11: 22
                    Someone will stay. And there are those who really believe that it is worth removing the thieves' regime, and immediately milk rivers flow in the jelly banks.
                    They are told that this power does not give, and that is how the people themselves can cope.
                    1. +4
                      17 February 2020 15: 29
                      Quote: Serg65
                      when they sell their homeland, they will remain on the horse ..... naive!

                      Whoever shouts louder is right. You scream the loudest ...
                      Quote: Mestny
                      power does not give

                      The authorities should adopt the right laws to improve the life of the population ...
                  2. +7
                    17 February 2020 12: 09
                    but as you dreamed ... under the speech of Gorbachev ... not a bottom to him, not a tire, hello, Marsoflot! hi
                    1. -5
                      17 February 2020 12: 11
                      They now tell us that these people were so naive, unprepared. Therefore, he managed to deceive him like that.
                      And who these people have done so for several generations do not say ...
                    2. +2
                      17 February 2020 14: 59
                      The fifth ocean lord is healthy hi
                  3. +7
                    17 February 2020 14: 04
                    Quote: Serg65
                    but they naively think that when they sell their homeland they will remain on the horse ..... naive!

                    Well, yes, well, yes ..... Kaneshna is we "Eastern" we saw, we sell the taiga to the Chinese, we keep tons of money in Musar apartments, we take people's money offshore, Arbidol is also our invention, we buy real estate in the west and citizenship from we all have the Order of Malta.
                    But what are you jumping for, for the cross-section, for Miller, the Rotenbergs, Deripaska, Abramovich, Mordashov and bring them numbers?
                    The caregiver in d / s receives 15 tyrov, and you probably got well settled, quit at age 45, get a decent pension, I suppose you get some kind of benefits, but this caregiver needs to be up to 60 years old to earn a 10-ty pension pension.
                    Are you honestly not ashamed when you are defending the current situation in the country? Just wondering. hi
                    1. +7
                      17 February 2020 15: 31
                      Quote: Malyuta
                      Are you honestly not ashamed when you are defending the current situation in the country? Just wondering.

                      Most likely you will not wait for an answer ...
                      1. +8
                        17 February 2020 15: 37
                        Quote: Arlen
                        Most likely you will not wait for an answer ...

                        Well, yes, shame and conscience are not included in the conceptual data set of gaspods.
                      2. +3
                        18 February 2020 13: 03
                        Quote: Malyuta
                        Well, yes, shame and conscience are not included in the conceptual data set of gaspods.

                        Are you silent to yourself, young man?
                    2. +3
                      18 February 2020 13: 03
                      Quote: Malyuta
                      Are you honestly not ashamed when you are defending the current situation in the country?

                      It was not at all embarrassing, it was embarrassing in '91 when a screaming man like you fell asleep an ardent Communist, and woke up as a democrat laughing , moreover, a month later, he became a believer wassat
                      Quote: Malyuta
                      And here you are, for whom are you jumping?

                      For himself, for his children, for his father, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, who, for 75 years, finally remembered that he was a WINNER!
                      Quote: Malyuta
                      for the section, Miller, the Rotenbergs, Deripaska, Abramovich, Mordashov and they have a number?

                      The better they are Novikov I.T., Grishin V.V. Well, or let's say Levchenko S.G. ???
                      Quote: Malyuta
                      and you are probably well settled

                      I’m not complaining, not a millionaire, but I have enough, until retirement thanks to Yeltsin and another communist flip-flop for another 10 years, there are no benefits! Any questions?
                      1. +5
                        18 February 2020 15: 10
                        Quote: Serg65
                        It was not at all embarrassing, it was embarrassing in '91, when the same screamer like you fell asleep an ardent communist, and woke up as a democrat, moreover, a month later he became a believer
                        This is clearly not about me., I do not change my beliefs, although I was not a member of the parties.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        For himself, for his children, for his father, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, who, for 75 years, finally remembered that he was a WINNER!

                        Yeah, I see. , that is, you are quite sure that your galloping for this power will bring children dividends in the form of a happy life.
                        I sincerely wish your father health and longevity! hi
                        Quote: Serg65
                        I’m not complaining, not a millionaire, but I have enough, until retirement thanks to Yeltsin and another communist flip-flop for another 10 years, there are no benefits! Any questions?

                        I don’t understand what the ebn, pension. Age, the current president raised us without reason.
                        I have no other questions, you are not stubborn, but just a lost stray.
          2. +8
            17 February 2020 10: 39
            Quote: Malyuta
            Who can answer me what drives them?

            They are driven by the desire of a “speculator”. Do nothing, but manage to remove the “foam” from someone else's work. The only way. Normal people who worked all their lives, content with miserable "handouts" in the form of salaries and pensions, began to abhor it. They don’t want to live like that anymore.
            That is why all this “brotherhood” is trying to prove and show that we have never lived in a country so well and well-fed, as with the great fairy-tale galley rower ...
            hi
            1. +8
              17 February 2020 10: 54
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Normal people who worked all their lives, content with miserable "handouts" in the form of salaries and pensions, began to abhor it. They don’t want to live like that anymore.

              It can be added that pensions were also deprived, only deprived people are still in the midst of a zombie propaganda developed by citizens of Malta, Cyprus, the British Isles and other Western countries working on a rotational basis. Dr. Goebbels against them is just a small child.
              1. -11
                17 February 2020 11: 07
                Wake up.
                You are fighting in a country you have invented. In reality, nothing in this form exists.
                You have a control marker - the real opinion of the people, expressed through elections.
                There is another marker - the number of participants in your rallies against the regime.
                Ask yourself - why are you so negligible?
                Should everyone around eat the last crust of bread?
                Is the wrong people?
                1. -8
                  17 February 2020 11: 14
                  Quote: Mestny
                  Wake up.

                  Sergey, do not break their business!
                  1. -6
                    17 February 2020 11: 20
                    That's it. Business. Only in blood, though only possible so far.
                    I will always support my country, no matter what happens to it. I always speak openly about this, and I will not change my opinion.
                    This is patriotism, not clownish dances on troubles and problems.
                    1. +11
                      17 February 2020 15: 33
                      Quote: Mestny
                      Business. Blood only

                      You have apparently already set up your own blood business. Otherwise they did not write it ...
                      1. +2
                        18 February 2020 13: 05
                        Quote: Arlen
                        You must have already set up your own blood business

                        Baby, the blood is ahead of you, you begin to get used to the blood, then train on cats or something!
                      2. +6
                        18 February 2020 13: 08
                        Old man, you're just some kind of maniac ...
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Baby, the blood is ahead of you, you begin to get used to the blood, then train on cats or something!
                      3. +3
                        18 February 2020 13: 15
                        Quote: Arlen
                        Old man, you’re just some kind of maniac ..


                        Quote: lexus
                        Ours, just, will be scattered throughout the world "your" for theft and betrayal of the Motherland to find and judge by the people's court.

                        Quote: Malyuta
                        Historical experience shows that the ice ax is a very reliable contraption in the right hands.

                        laughing And am I after that a maniac? Or do you dream of staying with clean hands?
                    2. +10
                      17 February 2020 15: 36
                      Quote: Mestny
                      I will always support my country, no matter what happens to it.

                      In 1918 there were such white people. They said the same: "I will always support my country, no matter what happens to it." As a result, they fled under the wing of the Entente and other possessed Fuhrer and from there poured "truth" on their country financed by the enemies of our state.
                      1. +3
                        18 February 2020 13: 07
                        Quote: Arlen
                        In 1918 there were so white

                        So in the 18th and the other communists were, no match for you, lol
                      2. +4
                        18 February 2020 13: 12
                        Quote: Serg65
                        yellowhorotam

                        Syazvili? I hope you feel better from trying to humiliate our generation?
                      3. +3
                        18 February 2020 13: 17
                        Quote: Arlen
                        I hope you feel better from trying to humiliate our generation?

                        Well are you all hiding? Either for the people, or for the generation ..... can you answer for yourself?
                      4. +6
                        18 February 2020 13: 20
                        Quote: Serg65
                        can you answer for yourself?

                        Trying to be witty? You can’t try, you’re not witty.
                  2. +2
                    17 February 2020 14: 44
                    Look, when throwing into a breakout, do not burn the starting couch.
                2. +9
                  17 February 2020 11: 57
                  Quote: Mestny
                  Is the wrong people?

                  Really! Why don’t they go to rallies? Does anyone show these rallies?
                  We saw how during working hours they campaign in support of GDP. Only they did not take part in this show. And he gave his new work jacket to a rally to his workmate. She hung in the booth for several years after that. And I brought people to the booth, opened the door and, pointing to the jacket, said:
                  - She saw Putin!
                  I also don’t understand what the people are furious about? With fat, or what?


                  belay
                  1. -4
                    17 February 2020 12: 15
                    You won’t believe it, but yes - with fat.
                    The number of iPhones at such a rally just rolls over.
                    Full, impudent faces, perfectly dressed.
                    Why did they go to the rally? Because they drove into their heads that this is not enough, they also need something to be cheap, like in America. Well, of course, for freedom. That is, to do what I want.

                    And most importantly - how many of them come out there? Is there at least 1%?
                    For example, in France - yes, they do. Probably there is a reason. And we probably do not.
                    1. +6
                      17 February 2020 15: 26
                      Quote: Mestny
                      Because they drove into their heads that this is not enough, they also need something to be cheap, like in America. Well, of course, for freedom. That is, to do what I want.

                      No.
                      Have you heard about ISIS banned in Russia? One of the slogans of his supporters, in addition to Allah and all this topic: "I will not live in humiliation".
                      The feeling of injustice is a very strong feeling, it cannot be treated with an iPhone, I assure you. It led many people and leads much further than a meeting with ducks. I hope you will not undertake to assert that in today's Russia there is no place for a sense of injustice.
                      Quote: Mestny
                      For example, in France - yes, they do. Probably there is a reason. And we probably do not.

                      On the contrary. The Russians have, the French do not. You probably heard Comrade Stalin's toast for the patience of the Russian people. So the French people are no different from the word in general.

                      And if you change "patience" for "downtrodden", it will become clear why everyone is bad, but young and unwashed Muscovites come out, who, in your opinion, are not so bad. That's why they come out. Because they haven’t got used to the place by the bucket yet.
                      1. -3
                        17 February 2020 17: 22
                        Quote: Octopus
                        One of the slogans of his supporters, in addition to Allah and all this topic: "I will not live in humiliation."

                        therefore, the drain of boobies there and flooded !!! request who is easy to lure ??? pralno ... a person with cereal in his head ... if you season it with religion, then you will trample even more, which, in addition to general cereal in the head, have religious problems !!! wink Well, the bulkers and pseudo-communists have enough simple cereal in their head to fall out at a rally !!! laughing it is good that the bulk has not yet begun to use the Igilovsky technique !!! wassat
                    2. +9
                      17 February 2020 15: 40
                      Quote: Mestny
                      The number of iPhones at such a rally just rolls over.

                      And all the iPhones are imported ...
                      Quote: Mestny
                      Full, impudent faces, perfectly dressed.

                      In all import ...
                      In other words, our country is economically dependent on the West.
                      Quote: Mestny
                      Why did they go to the rally?

                      For the truth.
                      Quote: Mestny
                      they got it into their heads that this is not enough; they also need something to make it cheap, like in America.

                      We do not care about America, we live in Russia ...
                      Quote: Mestny
                      Well, of course, for freedom. That is, to do what I want.

                      You should know that the Communists are opponents of anarchism ...
                      1. -4
                        17 February 2020 17: 24
                        Quote: Arlen
                        In other words, our country is economically dependent on the West.

                        your geography is bad !! wink like mowing down under the Communists, but everyone admires the West laughing
                    3. +5
                      17 February 2020 19: 38
                      Well, I will answer you, although I rarely write. Himself a pretty well-to-do person, but when my mother receives a beggarly pension of 11 tyr., My grandmother [the kingdom of heaven] received 11 or 13 tyr, and they worked all their life, I feel sorry for our hard workers. I can help my family, but then why the state? Justice is needed and a point, otherwise, without feedback, the state is spreading and destroying itself, naturally the indigenous population falls under the distribution. It is a fact, and it is our business, to point out errors, otherwise we are ordinary housekeepers. This is in short. He who has brains will understand, but those whom God has deprived - anneal further. There is still a limit, but not much.
                3. -1
                  17 February 2020 21: 41
                  There are no elections in the normal sense of the word. All candidates are filtered even at the level of the city council. A candidate who has not been coordinated in three instances will never get into the State Duma. According to the results of the "voting", the lists are released 3 months before the "elections". Who are you hanging on the ears about "elections"? Do you know why the UVP under the Presidential Administration and each governor exists? To create the appearance of this "internal policy". When I was young, I worked at the elections for 7 years. The latter ended in 2004, when there was real competition between candidates, programs and election headquarters at the mayor's level, and the last provincial ones in my region were in 2001. Next - imitation of procedures, screening out unwanted ones and mobilizing the "electorate". There is no competition at all.
                  There are not few of us, much more "you". And you will soon finish badly, for you have brought the country to a boil already.
            2. +10
              17 February 2020 11: 01
              Quote: ROSS 42
              speculator. " Do nothing, but manage to remove the “foam” from someone else's work. The only way. Normal people who worked all their lives, content with miserable "handouts" in the form of salaries and pensions, began to abhor it. They don’t want to live like that anymore.

              It can be added that pensions were also deprived, only deprived people are still in the midst of a zombie propaganda developed by citizens of Malta, Cyprus, the British Isles and other Western countries working on a rotational basis. Dr. Goebbels against them is just a small child.
              1. -9
                17 February 2020 12: 25
                The best hassle is your own wallet. You do not know the fighters with the regime?
                So - while the bulk of the population will live as it is now, it may even be a little worse - none of your dances with tambourines around the authorities will work.
                People have a place to live, what to eat, what to wear, and what to move around on. The vast majority.
                Do you not understand this?
                1. +10
                  17 February 2020 14: 48
                  Quote: Mestny
                  it can even be a little worse - none of your dances with tambourines around the authorities will work

                  Well, skakuzy jumped up, here on a neighboring branch, the judge of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation says that the USSR was an illegal formation. Receive, sign and download further.
      2. +1
        17 February 2020 06: 23
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Bullshit on bullshit

        You don’t need a knife at the fool, you’re lying to him from three boxes
        and do what you like with him ...

        And for me it’s more like a thimble ...
        1. +4
          17 February 2020 07: 19
          Quote: mat-vey
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Bullshit on bullshit

          You don’t need a knife at the fool, you’re lying to him from three boxes
          and do what you like with him ...

          And for me it’s more like a thimble ...

          I want to twist the twist I want to deceive .. Yes, exactly ..
          1. +2
            17 February 2020 07: 20
            And right there under the guise of one of his own, he also fumbles in the pockets of onlookers.
      3. +8
        17 February 2020 07: 17
        Be careful, dear readers. And look around three times before shouting "Urya!"

        This phrase must be made the motto of VO! Although, I think that all sane and so well understand everything ..
        1. +6
          17 February 2020 07: 29
          Quote: Svarog
          all sane and so understand everything perfectly

          Everyone understands everything. But apart from the "top". Tops love illusions.
        2. +8
          17 February 2020 09: 32
          Quote: Svarog
          This phrase must be made the motto of VO! Although, I think that all sane and so well understand everything ..

          Now, sanity is not in fashion, you will be immediately ranked among the skakuases, the Zhidabandera from Nikolaev, gas department agents and employees of 125 convoys, they will remind you how bad they were in the 90s and about analagafnettsdelanounas ..
          1. -7
            17 February 2020 11: 10
            Well, then of course you are lying
            In the 90s, everything was just fine. But in Russia nothing is produced at all.
            I wish you victory in your fictional war against a fictional country.
            Have fun. Only do not meddle in reality.
        3. -10
          17 February 2020 10: 56
          Quote: Svarog
          This phrase must be made the motto of VO!

          And rename the site to "The mouthpiece of the Communist Party and all the offended" laughing
          1. +6
            17 February 2020 15: 03
            Quote: Serg65
            And rename the site to "The mouthpiece of the Communist Party and all the offended"

            No, not that, it doesn't sound like that, but the "Musar messenger" is very even. All cardboard "marshals", "admirals", "counter-admirals", "generals" of all stripes bear, grishka, horseradish, monkey will gather on it and will wrap cotton wool in each other's ears about who lives well in Russia. to a friend to arrange.
            Is it really funny?
        4. +1
          17 February 2020 14: 59
          Like at the Kiev station
          Someone shouted: "Airplane!"
          All "faces" were lifted up,
          Vovka "whistled" the suitcase.

          Some words can be updated, and it will be 100% consistent with modern Russian realities, not only "space" ones. hi
        5. -2
          17 February 2020 21: 47
          Yeah. I would add, "When they shout loudly Hurray, check your pockets. Most likely they are already rummaging around."
          Oil, if anything now costs, as in 2004. But the dollar is 2,5 times more expensive. Is there any deception here? Considering that mining and export of minerals have grown, the country's foreign exchange earnings have also increased. Where did the difference go?
    2. -3
      17 February 2020 06: 11
      This is not bullshit. This is folklore - Russian folk tales. wassat
      1. +4
        17 February 2020 07: 24
        what is interesting is that absolutely everything in person knows this most important thing ... from storytellers ...
        and the most paradoxical ... continue to believe fairy tales ...
        1. +5
          17 February 2020 09: 43
          Quote: kepmor
          This is not bullshit. This is folklore - Russian folk tales

          Quote: kepmor
          what is interesting is that absolutely everything in person knows this most important thing ... from storytellers ...

      2. -2
        17 February 2020 07: 27
        Quote: bessmertniy
        This is not bullshit. This is folklore.

        The tale is a lie, but a hint in it ...
        This is not a fairy tale, it is just a myth.
        PSMyth is a narrative that conveys people's ideas about the world, the place of man in it, about the origin of all things, about gods and heroes.
    3. +8
      17 February 2020 07: 24
      And God in the constitution

      The Constitution should only mention God in one form: "Article 14. 1. Thank God, the Russian Federation is a secular state."
      1. +4
        17 February 2020 09: 33
        In response to the questions "Where are we flying?" and "Why are we flying?", asked not only by the government, but also by society, in the United States created the so-called public "Augustine Commission." Here in this commission, professionals - specialists and experts - discuss and outline a strategy for the space future. We don't have such a commission, and that's fine. To keep what is, and the people, as colleagues correctly noted, are fairy tales.
        Once, a common problem with space both in us and in the USA was that for every failure (the death of astronauts, a rocket fall, a mismatch, a break in communication, etc.), an institute, factory, training ground, etc. have everything you need. And then it turned out that the system is cumbersome and poorly managed. The United States optimized it to a small number of, say, industry units, giving a lot to private owners. So far it’s not very frisky, it’s even worse for us, since they merged everything into one structure - Roscosmos. It turns out what they left from, and to that they came. And optimization was understood as a reduction in the number of enterprises with their landing on a hungry rations. Khrunichev brought to a debt of 100 billion! And skillfully created a personnel problem. Roscosmos employs 190 thousand people - pensioners, almost pensioners and green youth. Due to the insignificance of salaries as a way to optimize the industry, experienced middle-aged specialists, that is, energetic, offering something, have almost disappeared.
        Here is how it was possible to give space to journalist and politician Rogozin?
        They say that many problems in the space industry of Russia, the USA and China are created by officials. Only in addition to generally recognized problems do our officials create another one for which they put it on the wall for China.
        1. +2
          17 February 2020 11: 35
          And you did not think why everything is somehow stalled at everyone around the planet ?? Well, I'm talking about flights ??? That for example, private traders are still not allowed to take off, that other countries not in the "trusted" entry are prohibited?
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    1. -5
      17 February 2020 06: 00
      Quote: Hunter 2
      The fact that there are a lot of successful launches, and we do not take into account more than the adversaries ...
      Which adversaries, in Ukraine? Or is it using military tricks when Rocket Lab launches are attributed to New Zealand?
      1. 0
        17 February 2020 06: 16
        You from Ukraine - of course it is clear that everything is tied to you .... the center of the World laughing We look and just analyze the number of starts.
        Yes .... where is Ukraine.? Simply no
        1. -2
          17 February 2020 06: 49
          Quote: Hunter 2
          We look and just analyze the number of starts.
          Well, there Russia is inferior to China and the United States (if you do not unsubscribe Rocket Lab launches from them), that's why I ask - what kind of adversaries are we talking about?
          1. +5
            17 February 2020 09: 24
            Well then, write down alliances with the Kuru to Russia
            Roscosmos -25 launches. All are successful. Budget - 3 billion S
            NASA has 27 (6 New Zealand). Budget - 21 billion S
            ESA has 9 (1 - emergency). Budget - 14 billion EUR
            China has 34 (2 emergency). The exact budget is unknown. But according to estimates, it is not inferior to NASA.
            1. -2
              17 February 2020 10: 45
              Quote: Brancodd
              Well then, write down alliances with the Kuru to Russia
              How does one follow from the other? "Electrons" is launched by Rocket Lab, an American company. "Soyuz" with Kuru is launched by Arianspace, a European company.
              1. +3
                17 February 2020 11: 12
                And where are the Unions doing?
                1. 0
                  17 February 2020 11: 22
                  You should ask such questions more carefully, otherwise Ukraine will have to record all launches from the Sea Launch and all Zenits from Baikonur.
                  1. +3
                    17 February 2020 11: 27
                    In Ukraine, they are collected, and then not completely.
                    They are made in Russia. So no, you don’t have to.
                    1. +1
                      17 February 2020 11: 30
                      In this case, write to Russia in general all the space launches in the world, guided by a purely sense of deep inner conviction.
                      1. +3
                        17 February 2020 11: 40
                        What for?
                        If a rocket has 70% of the parts made in Russia - why shouldn't I talk about it?
                        Or is it forbidden?
              2. +6
                17 February 2020 12: 33
                Very easy to follow. Unions are completely made in Russia. Our specialists are preparing from launch. We built the launch pad. Let EKA write down everything he wants on his own account, and even better, let him learn how to make at least a dozen starts without accidents.
                .
        2. +8
          17 February 2020 13: 46
          Quote: Hunter 2
          You from Ukraine - of course it is clear that everything is tied to you

          Ah ha ha laughing Are you also skakuas? Download for retirement? Well, all right, but why did you comment on Pro Skomorokhov? Are you afraid But you are not afraid to put cons from under the silence and write admins to the administrators, you and your codela are not afraid either. But about comparing launches with us and the adversaries, it somehow doesn’t work out for you laughing What is pattern breaking, brain explosion, cognitive dissonance?
          Everything is right for you. ROSS 42 (Yuri Vasilievich) says, Kodla, she is Kodla negative
      2. -1
        18 February 2020 10: 49
        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        Quote: Hunter 2
        The fact that there are a lot of successful launches, and we do not take into account more than the adversaries ...
        Which adversaries, in Ukraine? Or is it using military tricks when Rocket Lab launches are attributed to New Zealand?

        And from Baikonur-Kazakhstan
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      1. +7
        17 February 2020 06: 27
        Go to the "news feed" and look at the headlines of "news" - 75% of them are about "abroad", Lukashenka (the same, by and large, - "abroad") and Syria (Syria, in general, a separate topic is right " beloved cow "of the" power sector ", together with" it is clear who ")", 20% about "how we will live" and "now we will change the constitution and then ..." and only 5% are really about what is happening in country, and then these are reprints from published or somehow “leaked” publications of regional media. It seems that all the “news” in the media comes down “from the top” in the form of a compulsory “manual” which the majority is even lazy about , to retell in their own words (or they are not lazy, they simply do not want to be accused later, of "distorting information"), which is why, wherever you do not go, everywhere the same is mussiroured with the same words.
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    3. AUL
      +5
      17 February 2020 09: 22
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Nuuuuuu, according to the author - we are sitting still. The fact that there are a lot of successful launches, and we do not take into account more than the adversaries ...

      Alexey, is it really an article about the number of launches? Don't try to change the topic of conversation now, it won't work! The point is that everyone is lying to us - the government, officials, the media, and other scammers. That people have long disbelieved all kinds of promises and promises "from above", they know that they will throw them anyway. That none of these professional promises of responsibility "for the market" bears.
      Well, successful launches - they, of course, have a place to be, who is arguing.
    4. +5
      17 February 2020 10: 27
      Quote: Hunter 2
      always comfortable position - hold the thief .... especially if you

      A curious attack on Skomorokhov, but I didn't have enough courage to continue the phrase. "We would be the enemy on the horns, the current is expensive and horns are not cheap either." (C) It's funny.
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Nuuuuuu, according to the author - we are sitting still.
      We do not sit still, but sow the ocean depths with our companions and manage to drop even a Gagarin rocket.
      Quote: Hunter 2
      successful launches A lot, and more than the adversaries do not take into account ...

      Let us listen to you carefully, and you will tell us about successful launches with us and the adversaries! Only without trollins and flooding, only quantitative indicators with numbers. This will be an interesting conversation.
      We are waiting!
      1. -5
        17 February 2020 11: 14
        Quote: Malyuta
        A curious attack on Skomorokhov, only to continue the phrase of courage was not enough.

        Is he a leader and a guru? Not provided with other opinions?
      2. 0
        17 February 2020 11: 24
        Quote: Malyuta
        We do not sit still, but sow the oceanic depths with our companions and manage to drop even a Gagarin rocket

        Well, well ... well, how did you say something there?

        Quote: Malyuta
        Only without trollin and flood, only quantitative indicators with numbers

        Come on, come on ... baby.
  3. -2
    17 February 2020 05: 55
    Naturally, everyone who was not lazy (and not laziness was practically all) joyfully picked up all this, thoroughly discussing the prospect for the city and the region and so on.
    Yes this is some kind of friendly fire.

    https://topwar.ru/166207-pod-voronezhem-nachnet-rabotu-klaster-po-proizvodstvu-kompozitnyh-materialov.html
  4. -1
    17 February 2020 06: 06
    If they lie about the past, where sometimes there is no need to look for documents, then what are the problems about the "future"?
    1. +2
      17 February 2020 06: 16
      The past is epics, and the future is fiction. And the most notorious science fiction manages Roscosmos. wassat
      1. 0
        17 February 2020 07: 40
        Rogozkosmos company!
        1. +3
          17 February 2020 07: 53
          Here they suggest - the company "Horns and Hooves". wink
        2. +5
          17 February 2020 09: 46
          Quote: Yngvar
          Rogozkosmos company!

          "RogozRaspilkosmos!"
  5. KCA
    +5
    17 February 2020 06: 10
    The causal relationship is broken, the "Eagle" (Federation) did not fly, not because there is no ready-made suitable launch vehicle, but there is no suitable launch vehicle, since the "Eagle" significantly exceeded the specified weight, now it will be gutted to reduce weight
  6. +3
    17 February 2020 06: 20
    Roman, have you seen Rogozin near Voronezh? Did you go for an hour to open a trampoline and space plant? And he is from the economy, we still have the heading "you can do it" - how the authorities and officials of all levels and stripes can ride over our ears, telling fairy tales.
  7. 0
    17 February 2020 06: 29
    in the language of grind about the future, it’s not concrete things to do today, it’s easy and simple
  8. +7
    17 February 2020 06: 46
    It’s so impressive that we live in a country of literary heroes .. and specifically the literary heroes of Saltykov-Shedrin ...
    1. -2
      17 February 2020 07: 24
      Maybe we are just returning to the Saltykov-Shchedrin country?
    2. +3
      17 February 2020 08: 05
      Quote: parusnik
      It’s so impressive that we live in a country of literary heroes .. and specifically the literary heroes of Saltykov-Shedrin ...

      I have such an impression for a long time. What does reality sometimes plunge into Kafka's surrealism.
  9. -3
    17 February 2020 06: 55
    Well, on the other hand, Roskokosmos took care of trams for this very thing ... "Why Rogozin is evil, or How does a tram from Roskosmos look like from a joke of Urgant" - read and even more you can believe in the widest step of our space reserve for the future. Apparently, the tram, to the Lagrange point ... to Mars, will be launched at leisure wassat How do you like Ilon Mask? Yes, we are all waiting for the CAC test along with the big broadcaster of a heavy rocket carrier ... the tram there will look SIMPLY EPIC as a useful save load good All enemies will simply die of envy.
    1. 0
      17 February 2020 07: 23
      Well, at our place, the roskokosmos took care of the trams for this very thing.

      You did not understand Rogozin laughing that space tram... wassat
  10. +1
    17 February 2020 07: 01
    Thu! Right, opening!
    The author you from the moon came to us in Russia? Ali how?
    Everything is so here!
    And national projects without a nation, and Armata palamata, and Kuzya burned down, and saved to our government we sell rubles for a bunch of trillions, and import substitution, etc., etc.!
  11. +4
    17 February 2020 07: 01
    For example, voting on constitutional amendments.
    And how not to vote? We are under the leadership of the party and its general ...

    And how can this affect the attitude of the people to power ???
    The author seriously believes that the people, the bulk, are direct, direct. there is a concern for THIS and other similar ... crap?
    In short, the author should disconnect from the social network environment and go down to earth our sinful, unsettled, in many ways ... time, time.
    1. +1
      17 February 2020 07: 08
      Greetings! hi Everything is much simpler, the government once again was lucky with the people, people with the government ... That's how we live .. smile
      1. +2
        17 February 2020 07: 45
        Good morning Alex soldier
        The dilemma is old, but no less relevant.
        And we, like, have no one to blame ourselves, we chose these ourselves.
        And the people, this value is constant, unchanged, applied to one sixth of the land ... however, this is already in the past ... unfortunately!
      2. -5
        17 February 2020 09: 41
        Yes, you are not lucky with the people.
        For the most part, he does not understand you, because you live in a made-up country. This country is only on the Internet, in it the people eat up the last hedgehogs, everything is destroyed, nothing works, everyone steals.
        The people in the elections said their word.
  12. +5
    17 February 2020 07: 14
    I’m looking at all this nonsense happening and I have CONFIDENCE that this erases the memory of really the great heritage of the USSR, where the stub of ROSKOSMOS is the brainchild of KOROLEV, KELDYSHEV and other great people who did, at one time, impossible after the Second World War as soon as possible . Put at the head of any business the thieving mediocrity and after some time this CASE will receive a common noun in the subconscious of many due to the long chain of chronic negativity and regular failures. Where are the Rogozin promised epochal launches in 2019 that were supposed to amaze everyone and everything? Where, where, in Karaganda ... belay Although ... Tram and I are in shock.
    1. 0
      17 February 2020 07: 30
      Quote: viktor_ui
      Where are the Rogozin promised epochal launches in 2019 that were supposed to amaze everyone and everything? Where, where, in Karaganda ... Although ... Tram and I are in shock

      And what is also interesting .. this person is still at work, although he must have been at the labor exchange for a long time ..
      1. +1
        17 February 2020 07: 50
        Quote: Svarog
        And what is also interesting .. this person is still at work, although he must have been at the labor exchange for a long time ..

        Hi soldier
        Well, you are so, "radically" ... they should be sent immediately, on business, to a "resort", to fresh air, a zone of clean, virgin, ecology !!!
        1. -3
          17 February 2020 08: 30
          Quote: rocket757
          Well, you are so, "radically" ... they should be sent immediately, on business, to a "resort", to fresh air, a zone of clean, virgin, ecology !!!

          Good morning Victor!
          To begin with, all the same, to the labor exchange, and then let the competent authorities understand it .. hi
          1. 0
            17 February 2020 09: 20
            Vladimir, those cunning guys from their "warm places" still need to be knocked off. And this, in some cases, is a big problem.
      2. +5
        17 February 2020 09: 52
        Quote: Svarog
        And what is also interesting .. this person is still at work, although he must have been at the labor exchange for a long time ..
        Actually, for such things you could get an article and a forehead in the green.
        1. -1
          17 February 2020 09: 55
          Quote: Malyuta
          Actually, for such things you could get an article and a forehead in the green.

          This is "right", but they can't even get fired .. I failed all projects and feels great ..
          And the practice with green on the forehead is clearly not enough .. without it, things will not move from our dead center ..
        2. +4
          17 February 2020 10: 03
          Quote: Malyuta
          Actually, for such things you could get an article

          Yes. And now it is also possible, Article 128.1 of the Criminal Code. Slander.

          Quote: Svarog
          And the practice with green on the forehead is clearly not enough .. without it, things will not move from our dead center ..

          Start with yourself, set an example.
          1. +4
            17 February 2020 10: 56
            Quote: SaltY
            Start with yourself, set an example

            Before advising others, start by setting an example for yourself.
          2. +4
            17 February 2020 15: 47
            Quote: SaltY
            Yes. And now it is also possible, Article 128.1 of the Criminal Code. Slander.

            Can. And what is the libel?
    2. -1
      17 February 2020 07: 47
      Quote: viktor_ui
      Put at the head of any business the thieving mediocrity and after some time this CASE will receive a common noun in the subconscious of many due to the long chain of chronic negativity and regular failures.

      Probably more complicated / simpler. Create a SYSTEM where this notorious "thieving personality" will feel comfortable and then she will manifest herself in all her glory!
  13. -6
    17 February 2020 07: 48
    Well, the media needs to live like that! So they follow the path of Ren TV !!! Our bureaucrats space-loving space, which Eagle, when will you launch Science?
    1. +2
      17 February 2020 08: 01
      Quote: Lamata
      Well, the media needs to live like that! So they follow the path of Ren TV !!!

      Would you be more careful or something. And even VO are also mass media. Moreover, sometimes

      you’re just wondering where so much arrogance from people comes from with such free compositions

      That’s really the truth, the truth is neither to add nor to take away.
      1. -7
        17 February 2020 08: 08
        where is the word about VO in my comment. And you don’t need to act as a public lawyer.
        1. +4
          17 February 2020 08: 34
          Quote: Lamata
          where is the word about VO in my comment

          Quote: Lamata
          Well, the media needs to live like that!

          Quote: SaltY
          IN - also the media

          What's not clear?

          Quote: Lamata
          no need to act as a lawyer

          When I need your advice, I will ask you about it.
          1. -4
            18 February 2020 20: 02
            Ok there is such a thing
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  15. +1
    17 February 2020 08: 02
    If you delve into the details, everything looks bad, but not as much as it seems originally.
    "Fedya with a walkie-talkie" - In principle, we don't really need him. Soyuz also copes with everything that is required now (cost-effectiveness in its favor). The lunar program where the "Eagle" would be needed is planned for the 28-30th year. Moreover, the lunar program, in terms of the flyby "Soyuz" is capable of performing (it was designed for the lunar mission). instrument (orbital) compartment - that's when! ..
    "Soyuz-5" - "Zenith" on steroids. "Zenith" is not a Ukrainian but a Soviet missile, produced in Ukraine and 70% consisting of Russian components and materials. "Zenith" is an element of the "Energy" program and is by no means outdated. When transferring production to the Russian Federation, it is planned to use, in part, "proton" technological equipment, hence the increased diameter of the steps (proton 4,1M) and, as a consequence, a higher performance in terms of carrying capacity.
    "Argo" is a dark horse, a private initiative.
    The problems in the space industry did not begin yesterday, but from the period of the 90s-zero years. when all our "academicians" and managers rushed (at first reasonably. to save the industry) under the wing of the Americans, but got carried away with selfish issues and some of their "actions" were at the level of treason. It is necessary to unravel it now, but it's not that simple.
    1. +1
      17 February 2020 09: 33
      I agree. "Zenith is a Ukrainian missile ..." What is quality analytics? From the word "anal". I don't understand the point of throwing a tantrum about an article from a regional newspaper.
  16. +5
    17 February 2020 08: 02
    First: All developments of something new in rocketry are always state secrets. From here follows the second: Rogozin’s position is to snatch from the rostrum. And if he tells the truth, he’s pushed back. They can tear off his head along the way for disclosure.
    PS: In my humble opinion, there is a technology crisis in the space industry (not only ours). Like it or not, little has changed since the time of Koralev and Fonbraun. If, for example, electronics has gone to quantum technologies since the first transistor appeared, then in rocket science we are trampling on the development of the late 70s. A dead end. Even Musk would seem to be an advanced one, but he reanimated the pre-war concept of missiles. Stagnation. One way or another, the missiles remain disposable. Now everyone is clinging, it is completely unclear why, for manned flights to the moon and and the moon. We don’t need to develop a new rocket for this, we can do it with Proton, because it’s clear even to a person very far from space that they need to be assembled in orbit according to the modular scheme, like the ISS was assembled otherwise everything just loses all meaning. having attached the landing module to it, the benefit was that it was developed and worked back in 60. Question, but should I? Based on the available open data, there is a reason for opening a new space race (including the Lunar-Martian race), but it lies in a completely different plane which, if they tell us about it, it won’t be very soon. And it seems that this hurry doesn’t endure. Hence, these are throwing between projects, which direction to choose, which to build first, and what to put in the box. In the West, if to throw away loud statements and outright boasting, the same situation.
    1. -4
      17 February 2020 08: 13
      Well said !!!
    2. +3
      17 February 2020 09: 44
      Fuh!
      Thanks really. And then I already thought here some alternative-gifted fighters with the regime gathered.
    3. +5
      17 February 2020 10: 08
      Proton - a heptile smokehouse. You do not drive leaded gasoline. Legislatively forced to overpay for normal, without tetraethyl lead. It’s similar here. Today, only ICBMs can fly in a heptyl smokehouse.

      As for chemistry - well, at first glance it is. In general, moving. The most promising area is LNG fuel. The main medium engine in the USA is made under it (BE-4). Musk with his engine is already at the flight stand stage. The Chinese are sawing their methane engine and launch vehicle at an accelerated pace. There are demonstrators in Russia - Rogozin blamed last year, such a promising topic, but the corporation has no money to pour in, because everything went to save Khrunichev.

      A huge breakthrough in technology, design. 3D printing of rockets, tanks, engines is already a reality.

      Reuse - at Mask 4 times Block5 flies. Today, the accelerator flies (if it is not transferred again by weather) for the fourth time, which last time brought the load out less than 75 days ago. Beck from Rockettaba has already conducted 2 telemetry tests, their program for this year:
      - launch from a new site in the United States.
      - Photon's conclusion, their unique offer in this class is the energy base for cubes / boom / bus. Planned 170kg to the orbit of the moon.
      - The first attempt to land the launch vehicle.

      Well, there is no direct breakthrough of the level from the piston to the jet era. And while it is unclear what will shoot. Chemical engines at the conclusion - this is the only thing that does not break physics for the foreseeable 50-70 years. There are more options in space. The same solar sails - but to make them the right size / weight, it is desirable to produce in space. Next year, a satellite will fly - which will print solar panels in space on a 3D space printer. Electric rocket engines and other ion-exchangers require a large peak power supply. The nuclear tug is stalled. Yes, and he will not open the real gate to space, it is necessary to scale even further. But why??? Even in 20-30 St. G, one cannot reach any new land with any known technologies. Robots are less expensive to research their system.
      1. +1
        17 February 2020 15: 37
        Union 5 in Samara was initially made under the methane engine, then from Moscow they were forbidden to develop this topic, transferring it to the RD-171 project. And here is the CH. The CH is underloaded, the industry leadership has not been able to come up with anything sensible in 10 years, because in principle it is not capable of this. As for money, he who seeks finds. The US and China and Brazil are developing heptyl projects. Yuzhmash recently concluded a contract with India, they work with Canada. Only in our country the whole cosmos is reduced to budget financing and at the same time shy away from any international competition.
        1. +3
          17 February 2020 17: 16
          Well, Heptyl in the first step is a dead end. The United States does not have heptilok now (either hydrogen-oxygen, or kerosene-oxygen). Brazilians have new kerosene oxygen. China is now actively developing new launch vehicles, for LNG, for kerosene oxygen. India is not very good, but historically, ecology is in last place in them.

          If the CH is bankrupt, then Rogozin will be thrown out of the chair without options. Therefore, the CH will feed the underloaded and pay off debts for it.

          Rogozin complained that there is no money for the development of promising rocket engines
          "We are the leaders in rocket propulsion in the oxygen-kerosene direction, but promising problems are methane engines, hydrogen topics", - Rogozin told reporters during his visit to the Khrunichev Center.

          "There are such developments in Design Bureau of Chemical Automatics, we carefully examined their practical feasibility. It is indeed possible to do this in a couple of years, but this requires funds, which are not yet available for Roscosmos, they are all invested in the implementation of the financial recovery plan for leading enterprises"- said Rogozin.

          Well, where did the money go:
          Rogozin reported about 44 billion rubles. to save the Center. Khrunicheva
          Roscosmos found the cause of the multi-billion-dollar debts of the Khrunichev Center. This was stated by the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin, reports RIA Novosti.

          “We got to the bottom of the reason: physically, production logistics do not allow the company to produce products with sufficient cost and have the necessary margin for contracts", Said the head of the state corporation.
          1. +6
            17 February 2020 17: 24
            Quote: donavi49
            “We got to the bottom of the reason: physically, production logistics do not allow the company to produce products with sufficient cost and to have the necessary margin for contracts,” the head of the state corporation said.

            And for this dima it took only a few years. In the furnace of such leaders.
          2. -1
            17 February 2020 23: 57
            Virgin Galactic is the most advanced and promising commercial project, powered by heptyl. They are going to carry tourists. In addition, there are dozens of private companies in the United States. What is there just not there.
            As for India, they work with hydrogen + solid fuel. Yuzhmash is not very suitable for them, but they found a common language, but there is no Roskosmos. The Brazilian spaceport is located almost at the equator and works with heptyl, there was a project with Ukraine, now with Israel, China and the USA. With those who have something to offer, with whom it is more profitable. Well, if Roscosmos has the task of smashing the Central Churches, then they have nothing to offer. I will not comment on Rogozin (there are a lot of very incriminating materials regarding the CH).
      2. +2
        17 February 2020 15: 55
        As for LNG, the logic here is of course iron, since the West has made LNG today, so we need to make LNG tomorrow. In fact, it means we need to kick out those who closed the LNG projects yesterday. And tomorrow it is necessary to make hydrogen, ion engines, etc. Tomorrow, this is not - "after 2030, someone else will do", tomorrow this is what is being developed now in order to fly by 2025.
    4. -3
      17 February 2020 21: 37
      “In my humble opinion, there is a technology crisis in the space industry (not only ours) ...”
      In the West, well, not quite like that - the “process has begun” and continues: different missiles / engines / capacities / prices:
      “We drove higher” (Russian)
      Outrunning Russia: who and how is building new missiles in the USA
      https://lenta.ru/articles/2020/02/16/newspace/
      1. +1
        20 February 2020 00: 36
        Naturally, I went, because they used Soviet technology in the 90s.
        1. -1
          20 February 2020 02: 31
          “... because they used Soviet technology in the 90s.”
          They not only wiped from the 90s, they wiped from the 19th century the periodic table and Popov’s radio from the beginning of the 20th century, and they use it to the full and are not recognized !!!!
  17. 0
    17 February 2020 08: 23
    The king and his retinue completely lied.
  18. 0
    17 February 2020 08: 34
    Come on, you all know that in 2015 we landed on the moon, and from this year on it began the industrial production of helium 3 (https://iz.ru/448077/sergei-leskov/my-poletim-na-lunu-za -iadernym-toplivom), so why are you panicking? wassat
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  20. 0
    17 February 2020 08: 46
    The key to the development of the solar system and deep space, no matter how you look at it, is the moon. The creation of a permanent lunar base in the image of the Antarctic should be a task for the near future of mankind. And any Great Country.
    1. +4
      17 February 2020 09: 52
      Well, Russia in one person for the money does not pull.

      Even if you take a Gateway, then there is the USA - PH + 50% manned ship + PPE (power plant module with engines for orbit correction) + residential module and airlock. EU - 50% of the manned vehicle + 70% of the truck + science module + 50% of the second residential-multifunctional module. Japan - 50% of the residential-multifunctional module + 75% of the logistics and storage module. Plus roboruki from CSA ASC (Canada).
    2. 0
      20 February 2020 05: 55
      To master the system, there should be not bases on the moon, but full-fledged cities with all the accompanying infrastructure. Cosmoverfi. It will be, if any, in 100-150 years. Everything depends on transport systems. While the cost of transporting cargo to orbit costs from 2,5 up to 35 thousand greens per kilo, what kind of development of the moon can we talk about? This is not possible for any state. The price should be, at least, as with ordinary air transportation, because at the initial stage of construction of a support spaceport for the construction of a primary base, absolutely everything will have to be delivered from the ground. The construction of an ordinary "tent" town for the builders will cost 2-3 trillion dollars (minimum) without any commercial return. So all the loud statements of Americans on this topic can be safely ignored.
      1. 0
        20 February 2020 07: 56
        Just stake out ... initially without any spaceport. And just learn to extract from the local resources - oxygen, hydrogen, water. It doesn't take too much. If we estimate how much Russia has forgiven its "friends" over the past 10 years, which in fact have not paid off investments, then it is clear that we can easily pull the base on the moon.
        1. -1
          20 February 2020 08: 01
          Based on this, it is believed that the one who first raised the flag he staked. From this point of view, the USSR did it in 60. Again, there is an international treaty excluding the right of ownership of celestial bodies for a particular state.
  21. 0
    17 February 2020 08: 56
    "In December, we published the joyful news that these very space composites will be poured near Voronezh. This is the news that came from the" press service "of the Center of Composites NEO Center." - recalls the situation with the Boeing shot down by Iran https: //topwar.ru/166569-kolichestvo-raket-jakoby-sbivshih-boing-v-zapadnyh-smi-uzhe-vozroslo-do-dvuh.html just go and read the comments, find out which ones are sitting here
  22. 0
    17 February 2020 09: 02
    Crush their Roman!))
    Remember how they assumed who would be president after, and Rogo-in was among them.)))) Damn, I also seriously thought about as a candidate. What an unreasonable (I wanted to call myself after Dostoevsky's novel "" - a licensed bot I did not miss)! He even could not competently manage Roscosmos: he ate his cheeks - he doesn't catch mice !!
  23. +3
    17 February 2020 09: 05
    What Zenith did not please the author?
    1. 0
      17 February 2020 09: 47
      He is Putin's. They can’t afford to give anything to this regime. Everything they have to be covered in mud, every little thing.
      This is such a struggle. You just need to understand its price, and the possible results. and accordingly try to prevent them. Although, in my opinion, they themselves do a good job. The farther they write, the more vicious, hysterical, but recognizably stereotyped. They will cease to be taken seriously.
  24. -3
    17 February 2020 09: 07
    I have been swearing (in decent form) for a long time here on the site on these balabolkins.
  25. -2
    17 February 2020 09: 28
    The author was a little mistaken. Not 156%, but 146%.
    Really for so many years it was not possible to learn the manual by heart?
    Well, of course, beauty. Malice oozes from every line. literally on the verge of hysteria.
    What a blessing that real affairs have nothing to do with scribes. Let it choke, but the caravan is still going. Slowly but coming.
    1. +1
      17 February 2020 12: 37
      Yes, in principle it fits the concept of "hysterics". Smerdyakovism ...
  26. +1
    17 February 2020 09: 50
    But in "normal countries"!
    The United States still does not have its own rocket engine such as the Russian RD-180, and it will not be possible to find a replacement until at least 2030. This is stated in the report of analysts of the US Congress, prepared for American lawmakers, reports RT.

    According to the drafters of the report, at the moment the United States has nothing to replace the Russian rocket engine, since the proposed alternatives cannot achieve the same results as the RD-180 demonstrates. The creation of its own domestic rocket engine with similar characteristics will take at least 10 years.

    Even in the case of a smooth and exactly on schedule transition from RD-180 to other engines or launch vehicles, it is likely that the performance and reliability indicators currently achieved using the RD-180 can only be reproduced much later than 2030

    - the report says.
    1. +3
      17 February 2020 16: 11
      Quote: Brancodd
      reports RT.

      Who else.
      Quote: Brancodd
      proposed alternatives cannot achieve the same performance as RD-180

      The proposed alternative does not reach RD-180. She generally flies on a different fuel pair.
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  28. +1
    17 February 2020 10: 50
    For an outside observer (layman) staying outside the structure of Roscosmos, the newspaper "Argumenty Nedeli" can be considered a reliable source
    The guys got there (or rather, preserved) and toothy and competent.
    They write the truth, the uterus, remaining on a completely patriotic position.
    But even they do not fully represent the problems and problems of Roscosmos.
    But the common denominator is known - financing.
    More precisely, underfunding.
    Even if the topic of looting is discarded, as the weather does not do the general work flow.
    That is, it is not necessary to set and ask for finances, but to set goals based on financial capabilities.
    With this approach, you see, and awareness will come about the premature closure of the production of Proton, and about the uselessness or even harmfulness of the Angara.
    Yes, a lot will become clear if you "stretch your legs over clothes"
  29. -2
    17 February 2020 11: 05
    Quote: Serg65
    Quote: ximkim
    And basically, these are older people, already the vests on themselves are ready to tear.

    Nitsche son, here with a bare back in torn panties you walk and in 10 years you will also tear a vest laughing .... from the population of those who are too lazy to learn from other people's mistakes ????

    )) I don’t plan to go bare-back, and I’m not going to tear the t-shirt for the current government. Not only studying, but also studying so that pitfalls and the like do not come out hi
  30. +6
    17 February 2020 11: 20
    I will neither defend nor dishonor those in power. I will only say that everything is learned in comparison. Little fact. I drove not so long ago for 2 km on the highway. The route I drove about 20 years ago. If then I was driving along the highway and hitched a "ski" (there is such a protection on the bottom of the car) the track was knocked out for so many times and barely trudged, fearing to leave the wheels in potholes, now I "flew" calmly and 110 km / h (traffic police slumbers) and only enjoyed the smooth road. And such tracks in my travel radius have been tuned and repaired everywhere. Is this an achievement? I think so.
    Officials steal, too, a fact. But on the other side of the scale. All the shops are overwhelmed with products - in fact, a plus. There is also frank guano, and there is also meat of gobies from the Volga Islands - natural fattening ... Earn and buy what you like. Who has small salaries? This is bad. And by virtue of my labor activity, for the past 20 years, I could observe organizations with salaries higher than the average European. It all depends where, with whom and how to work ... Is it a plus sign? This is how it should be analyzed. And then they yell like a Khazanovsky parrot: "Guard! They don't report meat to the lion ..". Think for yourself who are those who call for a change of power: the deluded or enemies of Russia ... IMHO ...
    I will add: for disrupting the most important state programs, I think it is necessary to imprison for 15 years, and if there is embezzlement, the highest measure. And one more thing: a small example about crying about low earnings. Yesterday I was looking for those who wanted to dig 6 pillars at 1,2m depth at me. Searched among those who constantly aching that they have nowhere to take money, no one tore his ass from the stove to work. I suggested that they name the price themselves ... So it's not for everyone who has a small salary, the state is to blame .... IMHO ...
  31. -1
    17 February 2020 11: 24
    Well, we have long been accustomed to "fairy tales about the white bull", especially in the field of economics and ... recently - in the field of space. Recently, walking past TV into the kitchen, I heard out of my ear how our Chief, after the usual "no time to swing", was broadcasting about 7% of the annual GDP growth ... "Oh, these fairy tales, oh, these storytellers."
  32. -2
    17 February 2020 11: 37
    So I always doubt, but I am constantly accused of unpatriotism))
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  35. +1
    17 February 2020 15: 58
    Sorry, but how can Soyuz-5 send a ship, a lunar module and all at once to the moon? Yes, and fuel? In the past, it was necessary for the lunar mission to send superheavy Saturn-5 with a load capacity of 140 tons on a DOE and 65.5 tons on a trajectory to the moon, but now they will use a middle class cargo ship with a carrying capacity of 17 tons on a DOU? It turns out that on the trajectory to the moon, Soyuz-5 will deliver only 8 tons. It is not enough.
    Even the carrying capacity of the Angara-5 is not enough to launch a lunar mission.
    Well, or a lot of launches and assembly of the ship in orbit.
    1. +2
      17 February 2020 21: 11
      Super heavy
      Quote: Alexander Poplooukhin
      Sorry, but how can Soyuz-5 send a ship, a lunar module and all at once to the moon? Yes, and fuel? In the past, it was necessary for the lunar mission to send superheavy Saturn-5 with a carrying capacity of 140 tons on the NOU and 65.5t on the trajectory to the moon ...

      Where did you get information about Saturn? This is an American bike, propaganda of the American way of life ... In fact, even the Soyuz-Apollo flight took place without the Americans, at that time they could not launch a single astronaut into orbit. Turn on your brain, Amstrong did not see stars in space !!! This point alone is enough to prove all the lies of the United States, and even without a filter, they walk on the Moon, under the gentle Sun ... There are hundreds of the most mediocre mistakes in this scam, they are only blind, or a believer in the USA does not see them.
  36. 0
    17 February 2020 16: 03
    Angara A7 can bring "union" to the moon. Moreover, the third stage based on RD-0124MS will accelerate to the moon. And already on oryu display the DM block, as it was originally intended. This is enough to participate in the programs of lunar stations. In the future, you can develop a new ship. Instead of the link DM + service module of the union, there will be a service module on a pair of kerosene / syntin + oxygen, as it was in Buran. Use a detonation engine as an engine, the fundamental performance is confirmed, it will take 5-10 years to bring it to mind. This will be the new ship following the Federation / Eagle.
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  38. 0
    17 February 2020 16: 25
    Up front, this is the normal state of the Russian authorities.
    Ukraine, of course, is not a role model, but they have taken and normalized, tied the salaries of officials to the salaries of ordinary people. And our bloodsuckers only moan there in their communism about the poor Russians, but in business they behave like the last world-eaters. They’ll correct the constitution for themselves and will sleep peacefully on.
    The most interesting thing is that the constitution is purely declarative in nature, and all the sweets are packed in by-laws.
    That is, the people are loud words, and themselves gingerbread. The fact that now there is not a constitution but a declaration, but the fact that they are planned just the same in profile.
    And the profile of such an unaccountable unlimited power is the power of a group of individuals usurped by it.
    So the economy is just a consequence of the elite not being controlled by the people.
  39. +1
    17 February 2020 17: 42
    Once planned to build, build.
    1. 0
      19 February 2020 18: 24
      Build. Here's an example:

      The construction of the Arctic icebreaker began in 2013, and it was launched in 2016. Initially, the commissioning was scheduled for December 2017, but by the end of 2019, the icebreaker was ready at 87,7 percent. On February 4, 2020, during commissioning of the electric propulsion system on the icebreaker, the right-hand rowing electric motor failed, after which the deadlines for the ship's delivery were shifted indefinitely.

      Nobody needed a Russian passenger plane Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ-100), which is produced by the Sukhoi Civil Aircraft company. The company did not receive a single order for its liners in 2020, Reuters writes citing sources.

      Or they won’t build it. Something about Poseidon, the petrel and other zircons, even according to the zombie creature, is silent.
  40. +2
    17 February 2020 17: 54
    For all 7 years, for me it has been an indicator of the moods of a rather conservative part of society. For the last couple of years, I have been witnessing a change in the mood of a large number of readers from moderately positive to completely critical of the government. Nevertheless, people are beginning to understand that the picture does not coincide with reality. All the stronger does not match. So the society is getting healthier and the hassle of propaganda is less and less effective. This power has broken, it is an ideological and essential bankrupt. It is impossible to infinitely instill doublethinking and believe that everything is in order.
    1. +2
      18 February 2020 00: 34
      Quote: Whalebone
      The last couple of years I have been observing a change of mood

      because they started drowning for the "communists" !!! wink Well such a baida happened with the "media" called svpress !! lol
  41. +1
    17 February 2020 20: 22
    Chef, everything is lost, everything is lost! Plaster is removed, the client leaves ...
    About Voronezh. 15.01.2020/1/2020 More than XNUMX billion rubles were invested in the first stage of the Composite cluster project in Voronezh. In the SEZ PPT "Center" on the site of the new plant "IK Maslovsky" the main construction work has been completed. The specialists have started the installation of high-tech European equipment. Commissioning for this phase will begin in the first quarter of XNUMX.
    And the fact that there is still no "Eagle" is annoying, our author urgently needs to go to the moon. Now, not 2028. Can we help tovarischu?
    1. +1
      18 February 2020 02: 12
      For the moon "Eagle" is heavy, but as a tractor it can work. The moon may need reactors, toxic elements like iodine, in order to lift all this into orbit, it makes sense to use SAS as a reserve, the Federation / Eagle has a lot of them. But it is better to use the same union together with your pH, there statistics have been developed.
  42. +1
    17 February 2020 20: 27
    A country called the Russian Federation - there is fake and props. Trampolines in every home!
  43. 0
    17 February 2020 20: 28
    Quote: Lekz
    Chef, everything is lost, everything is lost! Plaster is removed, the client leaves ...
    About Voronezh. 15.01.2020/1/2020 More than XNUMX billion rubles were invested in the first stage of the Composite cluster project in Voronezh. In the SEZ PPT "Center" on the site of the new plant "IK Maslovsky" the main construction work has been completed. The specialists have started the installation of high-tech European equipment. Commissioning for this phase will begin in the first quarter of XNUMX.
    And the fact that there is still no "Eagle" is annoying, our author urgently needs to go to the moon. Now, not 2028. Can we help tovarischu?

    Yes, yes, and then it will be like with the supermegakompukhterov plant, but I have forgotten even its name. Well, the one that was literally bankrupt recently. Do you get the information on the site "doneouvas"?
    1. +4
      17 February 2020 20: 39
      Quote: Erik
      Well, the one that was literally bankrupt recently. Do you get the information on the site "doneouvas"?

      He draws it from there, as he draws from buckets of manure.
    2. +2
      18 February 2020 12: 39
      What will happen there, and with the plant, too, Wang knows. To you to her. I'll wait for my hair to tear.
  44. 0
    17 February 2020 21: 03
    Quote: Revival
    1. What right do you have to tell the citizens of the country where to go from their country?
    2. Where is the honesty in your position in jumping like "for"?
    ...

    One-sided attacks are basically strange that the moderator has not yet deleted your opponent. Here you can only cry how the whole of Russia was plundered, while the name of Yeltsin or Gorbachev cannot be mentioned.
  45. +2
    17 February 2020 21: 10
    We are discussing the forecast of the "cleaning lady" from Voronezh in the regional newspaper. Well, for the sake of decency, let's see how there are plans in "normal countries"
    Plan N1
    Washington will refuse additional purchases of Russian rocket engines after fiscal year 2022. This was at a hearing in the committee on the affairs of the armed forces of the House of Representatives of the Congress, said the commander of the United States Space Forces, General John Raymond
    [/ i] It was in September 2019
    Reality. 2 weeks ago.
    The United States still does not have its own rocket engine such as the Russian RD-180, and it will not be possible to find a replacement until at least 2030. This is stated in the report of analysts of the US Congress, prepared for American lawmakers,
    According to the drafters of the report, at the moment the United States has nothing to replace the Russian rocket engine, since the proposed alternatives cannot achieve the same results as the RD-180 demonstrates. The creation of its own domestic rocket engine with similar characteristics will take at least 10 years.
    Even in the case of a smooth and exactly on schedule transition from RD-180 to other engines or launch vehicles, it is likely that the performance and reliability indicators currently achieved using the RD-180 can only be reproduced much later than 2030
    Plan N2
    Last November, US Vice President Mike Pence burned bridges and announced the ambitious plan of the US administration:
    “Before the spring of next year (2019), we will see how an American astronaut on an American spacecraft from American territory starts in space,” he said. “We will have our own means of delivery into orbit, and we will no longer need to fly on Russian ships.”
    Reality. October 2019. The US National Aeronautics and Space Administration has requested additional seats on Soyuz spacecraft from Roscosmos for its astronauts in 2020 and 2021. the director of NASA "refers to a certain situation related to the fact that there is a delay in the creation of commercial ships for the delivery of American crews to the ISS."
    Plan N3
    American astronauts will return to the moon in 2024. This statement was made by US Vice President Michael Pence in an interview with CBS.
    According to Pence, on the moon, the Americans plan to create a bridgehead for the subsequent development of Mars.
    Recall, US President Donald Trump said on July 4 that US residents will soon witness the appearance of the American flag on the surface of Mars.
    “I want you to know that we will return to the moon very soon, and soon we will set the American flag on Mars,” he addressed the audience.
    Reality has not come yet, but is rapidly approaching. So, 4 years left. Hey conquerors, is your spacesuit shaking you? Apparently Pence will step on the surface of the moon first.
    1. -1
      18 February 2020 00: 25
      N1
      The RD-180 has all trouble-free launches. Even if they create a better engine in the USA, in order to establish itself as as reliable as the RD-180, it needs to develop statistics for 10 years. This is actually discussed in the report. Which does not cancel plans to replace the RD-180. A new engine has been developed in the USA for a long time in the year 22; Well, at first they will be tested, actually this is what we are talking about.

      N2
      In 2019 there was a successful launch of the crew dragon, and partially successful of a new Boeing ship, there is a shift to the right, but in general the deadlines are respected. A shift to the right by 5-10 months, Roscosmos has 5-10 years, these are trifles, including those on a composite ship that was announced a long time ago, it seems like it should fly, and now they say that they are starting to build a plant ...

      N3
      The SLS rocket is ready, the first launch of 20-21, then the increase in power in a couple of years, due to additional stages. Then they will do Upgrade, if they do not reduce the price, then by the end of the decade the project will most likely be closed, since private reusable ones will fly by then, hence the rush to 2024. What Roskosmos is doing, well, is pulling with China, except in space costs. Someone correctly said about such missiles. Winning the race will be a defeat for the country (in finance).
      1. -1
        18 February 2020 01: 13
        Listen, you are a very smart person. You understand that it makes no sense to answer such switchmen.
        They have all two answers:

        1. And here the blacks lynch

        2. And they have a printing press

        They do not see beyond their distortions and arrows, do not understand the need to move on.
        There are problems in the USA, there are delays, but these are not empty projects, not public relations of officials. Inveterate businessmen, seasoned commerce, move America forward. As it always has been.
        Returning steps, already several years ago, have become a reality. Perhaps this year will be the 100th launch of the Falcon 9.
        May 7, the first manned launch of the Crew Dragon

        By the beginning of 2021, Space X will have more satellites than any country, including the United States itself.
        And you think this will convince local switchmen?

        They will begin to say: 《And when will Musk fly to Mars? 》
        1. +1
          18 February 2020 11: 36
          Inveterate businessmen, seasoned commerce, move America forward.

          This is the USA moving its propaganda in your head !!!

          Here are the real US achievements in space over the past half century:

          1) 1st satellite and 1st person in space - solid 2nd place ...
          2) Apollo project - Hollywood mess and mountains of lies ... The evidence of the sea is the main fact that no one still flies to the moon ...
          3) SOI program - cartoons for naive townsfolk who don’t even closely understand the physics of near space and the difficulties of using laser weapons in Earth’s orbit !!!
          4) Musk's marvelous successes and outright lies of politicians about future manned flights to the Moon and Mars ... This lies has been going on since the 80s of the last century, that is, for half a century !!! Phrases like "We will return to the moon" are nothing more than the chatter of politicians ...
          1. 0
            18 February 2020 11: 49
            But what I want to especially note is how this lie is presented !!! Based on the analysis of Western media (TV, journalism and literature) I conclude ...
            Americans use the following lies technology:
            1. Promising or developing projects are submitted to the media already as a ready victory for the United States,
            2. The truth about the achievements in space of past years (especially naturally the achievements of the USSR) is substituted, or this is silent ...
            3. The technology of informational light and shadow - illuminate what is on to where there is no need to let fog in ... There are areas of space exploration where the USA is really strong - these are space satellites ... Infa sea - movies, shows, interviews, articles, books and much more ... Analyze how much you want ...
            There is an area of ​​space exploration where the United States is weak - these are manned flights ... There is a continuous fog of information, naked slogans, stupid phrases like "we were there and that's all", and statements by politicians who all "have been returning to the moon for 40 years already !!!" ...
            Americans are able to lie beautifully and professionally and do it globally !!! And it seems that modern Russia in the field of space exploration is trying to do the same, only doing it rude and clumsy ...
        2. 0
          18 February 2020 11: 58
          By the beginning of 2021, Space X will have more satellites than any country, including the United States itself.

          These are satellites displayed on low shades ... North Korea and Pakistan and Iran are doing the same ... So what? ??
          Mastering the Earth’s orbit becomes a business of commerce - and this is inevitable ... Flights are becoming cheaper and becoming more massive ... So what ???
          But all these processes should not be confused with the development of, for example, deep space - billions of dollars of this are spent by only 4-5 states of the planet because no Mask has ever had, will not and will not have the resources necessary for this !!!
      2. +1
        18 February 2020 01: 25
        N1
        I think the report makes it clear. The creation of its own domestic rocket engine with similar characteristics will take at least 10 years And this is said after 15 years of unsuccessful attempts. The creation of its own domestic rocket engine with similar characteristics will take at least 10 years.
        “The Americans thought that they would start working with us, and in four years they would take our technologies and reproduce them themselves. I immediately told them: you will spend more than a billion dollars and ten years. Four years have passed, and they say: yes, it takes six years. Years passed, they say: it takes another eight years. Seventeen years have passed, and they have not reproduced a single engine. Now they only need billions of dollars to do this for bench equipment, ”said Boris Katorgin, creator of the RD-2012 engine, back in 180, on this subject. Such weak shift to the right for several months
        N2
        The test orbital launches of Crew Dragon and Starliner, scheduled to be carried out in 2017, were repeatedly postponed. It is currently known that the first manned missions of these ships should take place in the first half of 2020. Where is the shift of 5-10 months? Already at least 3 years.
        N3
        SpaceX founder Ilon Musk believes tragedy developed by NASA for flights to the moon, a super-heavy carrier rocket SLS. Well, let's see the results. Not so long left.
        1. 0
          18 February 2020 01: 55
          N1 Do you have a link to the original text of the expert opinion?
          N2 They had a binding to the agreement to launch Soyuz-FG until 2019, another Soviet missile, and by this time new ships were being developed, the backlog was small.
          N3 They are going to do Super-Heavy in Russia according to the same principle as SLS, but with a right shift of at least 8 years. In addition to the rocket, the lunar ship Orion should be ready for flight this year, in total 3 new manned ships from the United States.
  46. 0
    18 February 2020 07: 50
    Lying about the present - and you can rake. And about the distant future ... or they will forget, or the donkey will die, or the padish will die ...
  47. 0
    18 February 2020 09: 26
    Good article.
    The same thing is happening everywhere in Urya-media.
    They write in a stream without subtracting.

    just passed everywhere - "Kicked off assembly of the first serial airliner Il-114-300 "
    and in the same article "what first flight samples will created by modernizing Soviet cars, while serial versions will going from scratch. Put the production of new aircraft on stream is planned already next year. "
  48. +3
    19 February 2020 10: 05
    "The calculation here is simple: to promise (or lie) from three boxes, to create the feeling that we are now just getting bogged down and drowning in achievements, and on this wave to push something of our own.
    For example, voting on constitutional amendments. "
    Yes! Yes! Bravo author! Particularly outraged by the inclusion of the provision on immutability of the border and the annual increase in pensions! How dare they! Wretches!
    Threat author order Mazepa yes heavier!
  49. -2
    23 February 2020 17: 03
    And what does your story have to do with voting on constitutional amendments? After all, it was from this that you began your bullshit. A bunch of big, this does not take away! And what does the Constitution have to do with it? In it, we just want to say: crap, clean! Do not want to clean?

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