The militants managed to breach the defenses of the SAA in the Miznaz area after the artillery bombardment of Turkish troops

_{Action in Idlib}

It can be said that Turkish President Recep Erdogan crossed the “Syrian Rubicon”. The Turkish arms transferred to Syria are already directly used to strike at the positions of the Syrian government army. The most massive shelling of Turkish troops carried out in the south-west of the province of Aleppo.

From the area of ​​the settlement of Ibbin, where an impressive grouping of forces and assets of the Turkish Armed Forces has been concentrated over the past few days, shelling is being carried out on SAA positions in the area of ​​the ledge towards Kafr Nuran.

Turkish artillery attacks the positions of the Syrian forces in the area of ​​the village of Kafr Halab. It is noteworthy that it was in the direction of Kafr-Nuran-Miznaz-Kafr-Khalab that the militants went on the offensive after the Turkish artillery preparation. Several groups of militants managed to breach the defense of the SAA in the area of ​​the mentioned Miznaz. The Syrian army is trying to keep the front to prevent the militants from delving into the defenses and reaching the M5 highway. It is this highway, which came under the control of the Syrian troops, that terrorists in Idlib and Aleppo are urgently needed to restore logistics of supply and regrouping of forces and assets.

Meanwhile, the road connecting Turkish Reyhanli with Syrian Idlib managed to turn into the main route of Turkish traffic. As "VO" already reported, not only dozens were transferred to the territory of the SAR tanks and MLRS, but also Turkish special forces. In Ankara, they said that the special forces will be used to "strengthen observation posts." This formulation raises some doubts, especially in connection with the fact that it is from the “observation posts” that the Turkish troops are shelling the positions of the Syrian government army, after which pro-Turkish militants go on the offensive.

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[Graz]

VKS must strike at Turkish troops in Syria

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Graz

VKS must strike at Turkish troops in Syria

Where are you going to get 250 Turkish F-16s?

[Cowbra]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Where are you going to get 250 Turkish F-16s?

Hussars, be silent!

There is not much to do, a dozen down - the war will end. They will eat their own mustachioed. Not to mention the fact that he will be eaten up for aggression in the UN Security Council - he has many friends there ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Cowbra

Hussars, be silent!

There is not much to do, a dozen down - the war will end. They will eat their own mustachioed. Not to mention the fact that he will be eaten up for aggression in the UN Security Council - he has many friends there ...

Is it yours or turkish?

[Cowbra]

Ours, Crimean)

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Cowbra

Hussars, be silent!

There is not much to do, a dozen down - the war will end. They will eat their own mustachioed. Not to mention the fact that he will be eaten up for aggression in the UN Security Council - he has many friends there ...

Is it yours or turkish?

Ahaha this is 5 :)

[tatarin_ru]

Is it yours or turkish?

Beautifully, subtly said

[fruit_cake]

all delivered systems can be shut off remotely, like all f-35 can be shut off by the Americans

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: fruit_cake

all delivered systems can be shut off remotely, like all f-35 can be shut off by the Americans

Well, nonsense.

[fruit_cake]

uncle, is your head bad? such systems have existed for half a century and were turned off at the right time, for example, the French air defense systems in Iraq during the "Desert Storm" or the Israelis remade Soviet air defense systems and supplied Georgia so that Russia could not turn them off

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: fruit_cake

uncle, is your head bad? such systems have existed for half a century and were turned off at the right time, for example, the French air defense systems in Iraq during the "Desert Storm" or the Israelis remade Soviet air defense systems and supplied Georgia so that Russia could not turn them off

Do not write nonsense. These cospirological tales are good only for extremely young and inflamed minds.

[fruit_cake]

nonsense is you writing uncle, bot provocateur

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: fruit_cake

nonsense is you writing uncle, bot provocateur

Kindergarten, pants on the straps.

[fruit_cake]

all you can write? clown

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: fruit_cake

all you can write? clown

Well, do not seriously discuss the troll.

[kutuz]

And they also have this, do not forget.

[IvanT]

There is such a concept as "unacceptable losses", 20-25 planes will fall and the parties sit down at the negotiating table. Amers have a loss of one AUG.

[vadsonen]

Unacceptable losses have already passed - this is a rejection of tomatoes. And about one AUG who told you? Or was the experience?

[IvanT]

I don’t remember exactly this hour, I read it on the army website, there were links to the docks of the US Defense Ministry. Dig a net about AUG, you will definitely find it. If of course it is interesting)

[vadsonen]

I would have read it, but where ... Somewhere "on an army site"? Just do not offer a search engine, because it is not clear what to look for.

[IvanT]

Whoever wants will always find. Articles on the subject of opposition AUG 15 pieces typed by force. But it’s easier to say that this is impossible)

[voyaka uh]

"For amers, this is the loss of one AUG" ///
---
Americans in the war at sea with the Japanese lost entire squadrons. 20 dive bombers flew away, not a single one returned. The following were sent until the Japanese ships were drowned. So, sensitivity to American losses is a myth.

[Ros 56]

The price and capabilities of those and the current compared?

[dmmyak40]

Alexei, you cannot compare those Americans and current ones. Although many scolded the amers of the WWII model, those guys were still desperate guys, especially on torpedo bombers and dive bombers. They fought fiercely, one cannot but respect.
Today the picture is completely different: no one attacked Pearl Harbor, nor did Florida. There is no such a clear and terrifying enemy who almost drowned your linear fleet. But there is public opinion, as well as a bunch of lawyers ready to cling to the state at the slightest blunder. That is why the US is so gradually increasing the number of victims of a missile attack of Iran? Why not name everyone at once? Or gradual decompression for society?
Plus your comment, as always balanced and interesting. Write more ... Do not pay attention to minus one.

[voyaka uh]

"Why is the United States so gradually increasing the number of casualties in the missile attack on Iran?" ///
---
This is understandable. A concussion doesn't always show up right away. Many who were then shaken by the blast from the walls of the bunker did not even see a doctor. The officers asked, "is everything all right?" - no one complained. And then headaches, all sorts of dizziness, etc. began. And they began to send for medical checks. Those who complained, and then everyone else.
But no one was hospitalized even for several days.

[dmmyak40]

How often did you get a concussion? I had to feel light to medium.
A mild concussion can indeed occur in a couple of days, especially against the background of a stressful situation. The average is felt immediately. Only a mild concussion improves within a couple of days after the onset of symptoms, while the average does not. IMHO.
And amers or concealment of the consequences or an attempt by the "victims" to have a gesheft in the form of any nishtyaks.

[voyaka uh]

My ears buzzed for a long time, when a random mortar mine - under-flying (friendly :)))) pulled close. But I did not go to the doctor.
The Americans, apparently, were sorted out with an insurance company, it took time: were there victims in helmets during the explosions? Was the bunker door closed? etc.

[dmmyak40]

Quite possible. In this case, the authorities could seize the moment and release the results of the attack on the brakes.
In any case, the current US soldiers are not suited to their ancestors during WWII. The Japanese of those times were tenacious in no way worse than ours and higher than Germans.
Or do you read that today's society and the army can easily suffer significant one-time losses? will they withstand the "Big Hit?"

[voyaka uh]

They now have a lot of Latinos in the army. They are mad, Indian blood. The Latinos must be dragged away so as not to climb to make "blood" in close combat. But undisciplined. Military officers' dynasties (of German roots) have survived. The whole army is contractual, they are not forced to fight by force. So, I would not underestimate the Americans ...

[dmmyak40]

Everything has its own advantages and disadvantages: what and where will play - this is unknown.
We are not talking about underestimation: I had in mind the reaction of society to large-scale losses at a time. If the losses are large, there will be two options: there will be some kind of public reaction (and the opposition will start throwing at the incumbent president immediately) or everyone will shut up.
As it was in November 1943, when the sinking of the Rhone transport by a German gliding bomb killed more than 1000 Americans and 120 British. And nothing - the press was gagged ...

[Alex Nevs]

I apologize for the question, but is the strength and direction of the tailwind taken into account? I'm talking about a closed door, etc.

[IvanT]

Do not forget about compensation for injuries, but this is a selfish topic)

[Alex Nevs]

Simulators ... for loot. After all, business.

[IvanT]

Wars are different, defensive and occupational, and the pain threshold in each is different. Compare WWII and Vietnamese, the amers motivation is completely different and the attitude to losses, too.

[PSih2097]

Quote: IvanT

In amers, this is the loss of one AUG

20% of the unit, not the AUG ...

[mammadov teymur]

Ivan 20-25 aircraft on each side or about general losses in the future

[maidan.izrailovich]

Where are you going to get 250 Turkish F-16s?

Together with Incirlik to level the earth.
And those that still take off, for them a lot of things are in the arsenal.

[bayard]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Where are you going to get 250 Turkish F-16s?

Do they have pilots for these 250? And how many boards do these pilots have? As far as we know, they have a deficit of flight-lifting personnel from 2 \ 3 to 3 \ 4 of the required.
And those F-16s that have something to lift into the air will neatly force those S-300s that have already been delivered to Syria to peace. Two S-300 divisions moved to the Idlib zone, several "Pantsyr" and "Buk" will bring stability and balance.
In addition, Syria has tactical and operational-tactical missiles, the same "Tochka-U", the ammunition of which can be sharply replenished from the arsenals of the Russian Federation, since it has already been removed from service ... a lot of them.

[Dima_Anlim]

Lord, I look at people like you and marvel at it - for poor Russia, how many inadequate you are in it ....

[Alex Nevs]

And what? Immediately on your knees and concern? So it will be at your borders and next within your borders.

[Incvizitor]

Where are you going to get 250 Turkish F-16s?

Cover airfields in bulk.

[Lord of the Sith]

Aron, well, you are a smart person and understand that this is all a deal. The Syrian army, both advancing and advancing. And to the statements of pro-Turkish militants and to Erdogan personally, you, as a former Israeli soldier, know how it relates.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Graz

VKS must strike at Turkish troops in Syria

Where are you going to get 250 Turkish F-16s?

I didn’t know that there were already 38 of your fellow tribesmen on the site !!!

[ultra]

Quote: Graz

VKS must strike at Turkish troops in Syria

It’s completely useless to intensify attacks on pro-Turkish militants. Let the SAA work on Turkish troops.

[alexmach]

Unfortunately no, not at all enough. Turks CAA just crush.

[ultra]

Without aviation, the Turks will not climb against Assad, I am 100% sure, and the Syrian army has been fighting for 9 years.

[alexmach]

Without aviation, the Turks against Assad will not climb

Firstly, judging by the news, they have already climbed.
Secondly, Assad is himself without aviation.
Thirdly, why should they climb without aviation then? With aviation, Ankara is ok. And to confront her at the Syrian Theater, especially and no one.

[ultra]

Firstly, it is one thing to send troops, and it is quite another to start active operations against the SAA. Secondly, Assad has the opportunity to saturate the Idlib region with air defense systems. And thirdly, there is such a moment. As a factor in the presence of Russia. And I doubt that Erdogan is so stupid that do not understand this.

[alexmach]

First, it’s one thing to deploy troops, and it’s quite another to start active operations against the SAA

What are you writing about. Artpreparation of positions is not active in your opinion or what?

Assad has the opportunity to saturate the Idlib region with air defense systems

Which will not be effective in the absence of their own aviation.

And thirdly, there is such a moment. As a factor in the presence of Russia

Apparently, nothing decisive, since Russia will not fight with either Turkey, the United States or Israel in Syria simply because it can’t.

[Nastia makarova]

Turks themselves do not climb, they only help with artillery

[alexmach]

Turks themselves do not climb, they only help with artillery

Only. You, in my opinion, do not understand what you are writing about.

[Nastia makarova]

namely, plus weapons to the militants, the Turks themselves do not fight

[alexmach]

Ok, the way will be yours, the Turks do not fight, they just shoot from the cannons and the RZSO .. there is nothing to worry about.

[Nastia makarova]

While there is no reason to worry, because saa also shoots at them from all guns

[RideMaster]

A year ago, I thought about Syria and Iran. There is money in the little egg. They would order an extra 48 su 35 and su 27, and instantly 29 they would throw off Syria or Iran, otherwise they are real without aviation. And the pilots we could prepare. Slowly now, at least one and a half Iskadril 27 would be among the Syrians. Already at least something to send the Turks for the first time.

[knn54]

It's time for the S-300.

[Cowbra]

They've already gotten their teeth in the teeth - the Leopards burned very cheerfully ...

[Alekseev]

Quote: alexmach

Unfortunately no, not at all enough.

What did not crush before? What have not crushed the Kurds for many years? Everything is not simple, in the Turkish army half l / s conscripts, the service life as we have with all the consequences.
Believing Assad’s forces somehow forgot about Iran. And the Turks didn’t run into the Iranians.
In general, the arguments about the Turkish attack on the military of the Russian Federation are somewhat silly. Russia is a nuclear power once, nobody needs a risk of a nuclear conflict (even a risk).
The second, most serious loss for Ankara in the development of the conflict. After all, the gas pipeline and trade are far from beneficial not only to us.
What to do, what to do? Take the time to develop an offensive in Idlib, gain a foothold, mine dangerous areas, give the Syrians and, if necessary, the Kurds, weapons capable of inflicting unacceptable losses on some too active defenders for the militants, especially in manpower, to select and train military personnel. It’s time to replace our pilots with local ones, it’s all their war. True, these events are being made without undue publicity. To give a lesson to the Turks, do not fly our and Syrian planes in northern Syria, shoot down others, use air-to-ground SD when absolutely necessary, Tochka-U, Iskander then. Turkish battery shoots, covers militants? CAA there racket with a cartridge / h and will be. The desire for shooting will disappear and the matter will be adjusted to a peaceful, you know, settlement.
Examples from history (not at Ishmael and Rymnik ). How angry Mao Tse Tung was at Damansky, how angry! And his hunweibinist warriors are not Ottoman Sybarites, but as they covered his army with the City, everything settled down at once, only malicious "last warnings" remained.

[alexmach]

What did not crush before?

This is a very good question. It seemed to me that they chop off a piece of Syria much earlier.

What have not crushed the Kurds for many years?

And where did they not crush them? Well, it's a bit different story with the Kurds - it's a guerrilla war. Today they are "fighters" and tomorrow they are "civilians" and then again - this is difficult. But who in the north of Syria will be partisans for the SAA then? With a hostile pro Turkish local population then.

Believing Assad’s forces somehow forgot about Iran. And the Turks didn’t run into the Iranians.

Yeah .. and also about Israel and the United States.

Russia is a nuclear power once, nobody needs a risk of a nuclear conflict (even a risk).

And Turkey is a member of NATO.

The second, most serious loss for Ankara in the development of the conflict. After all, the gas pipeline and trade are far from beneficial not only to us.

As for Russia. That's why I'm talking - Russia will not participate in the conflict with Turkey. Directly for sure.

Turkish battery shoots, covers militants? CAA there racket with a cartridge / h and will be.

Let’s see if Assad has enough for that. So far, the Turks have declared that they will be responsible for each killed.

[Alekseev]

Quote: alexmach

the Turks said they would be responsible for everybody killed.

And how should they declare? What will be answered only for every tenth killed?
Member of NATO. Here she is something NATA and especially does not want a conflict, not even a very nuclear one. It seems to be necessary to intercede, but it is scary. The Kurdish guerrilla war is a dangerous thing, it has been going on for many years and the occupation of the strip along the border by the Turks is not at all the end. But a "simple" war with Assad (and the Iranian formations) will not add points to the Turks, it is even more dangerous. Assad can recognize the Kurds' right to self-determination under the belly of Ankara, so that Erdogan does not relax, and the Kurds from passive non-friends will immediately become his allies.

[alexmach]

Here it is NATA and especially does not want a conflict, not even a very nuclear one. It seems necessary to intercede, but it’s scary

You do not confuse the large-scale conflict and Erdoganov’s Wishlist for the offensive in Idlib.

[Alekseev]

All large-scale conflicts begin with such Wishlist.

[alexmach]

So what? Do you think that if the United States washed its hands of Erdogan’s plans in Syria now, will they maintain this position in the event of a large-scale conflict between Russia and Turkey? Strange is a very thought.

[maidan.izrailovich]

It’s completely useless to intensify attacks on pro-Turkish militants. Let the SAA work on Turkish troops.

Half measures never led to victory.
Either beat the Turks, or wash our hands. And we admit that we are not able to respond to modern challenges.

[ultra]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

And we admit that we are not able to respond to modern challenges.

All 4 years of the operation in Syria showed that we were able to radically turn the tide in the country with small forces.

[maidan.izrailovich]

All 4 years of the operation in Syria showed that we were able to radically turn the tide in the country with small forces.

And who disputes this? Why did you tell me this?
Now a new challenge ... unforeseen ... for some in the Kremlin. Although such things should be calculated. And they should already have ready-made solutions. And if this is not or the spirit is not enough, then there was nothing to get in there.

[ultra]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

Now a new challenge ... unforeseen ... for some in the Kremlin.

Is this information straight from the "Kremlin"?

[ultra]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

And if this is not or the spirit is not enough, then there was nothing to get in there.

And what, in your opinion, should Russia take?

[Nastia makarova]

in the Kremlin with Turkey have long been agreed

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Graz

VKS must strike at Turkish troops in Syria

And then what? Do you think that Turkey will tolerate it calmly and not react? How much force do you need in Syria to defeat Turkey in case of further escalation of the conflict, if Turkey responds to our bases in Syria? Or immediately strike at Turkey, making its way through Azerbaijan or from the territory of Armenia? Or maybe we will land a marine landing in Constantinople? Or maybe just missiles with a special unit wew?
And if we don’t do this, then what? We will be here at the VO to discuss how heroically our soldiers are dying in Syria and how to help them? The bosphorus will be blocked. Will you supply aviation? Well, in history there have already been such attempts to supply aviation, they ended badly, even near Stalingrad. Well, yes, then we will be able to more actively express indignation about the actions of Turkey, as well as express words of condolences to the relatives of our soldiers who died. For what?!

[maidan.izrailovich]

You need forces in Syria to defeat Turkey ....

There is no question of defeat. Yes, this is not required.
It is enough to slap the head on the head of the raging Sultan. For example, disable all military airfields in Turkey. This is a completely doable task. If they do not understand, then do how they dealt with the Yugoslavs. Disable vital facilities. Until the complete depletion of the Turkish economy.
I foresee your rhetoric about NATO. If NATO intervenes, then as a mediator in reconciliation. Nobody wants a World War.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

You need forces in Syria to defeat Turkey ....

There is no question of defeat. Yes, this is not required.
It is enough to slap the head on the head of the raging Sultan. For example, disable all military airfields in Turkey. This is a completely doable task. If they do not understand, then do how they dealt with the Yugoslavs. Disable vital facilities. Until the complete depletion of the Turkish economy.
I foresee your rhetoric about NATO. If NATO intervenes, then as a mediator in reconciliation. Nobody wants a World War.

Why, you proceed only from the fact that we will unilaterally disable objects and that's it. And where is the assumption of opposition from Turkey? If she responds more quickly, for starters, Khmeimim? What next? I would not be so categorically sure.

[Altai72]

Damn, I was angry before, now it's funny already. Why won't they write here ?! People do not really think, do not take into account existing factors. Kindergarten Chesslovo ..

[Grandfather Crimea]

But there is a prediction that there will be no Syria. And Constantinople will be with the Russians, but they will pass it on to the Greeks ......

[Oquzyurd]

"For what?" To make the heroes of the couch satisfied. This is important for them, apparently.

[Alexey from Perm]

how, then, who will argue with a friend Rajep? The Turkish stream is more important than the death of Syrian soldiers, and ours ...

[Po-tzan]

Quote: Graz

VKS must strike at Turkish troops in Syria

And get the end of the "Turkish Stream", the release of the atomic trip and cut off the supply of our entire group in Syria after the closure of the Bosphorus?

[RideMaster]

Well nuclear power how do they wring out? What will they do with her? The hotel is maybe there for fun for lovers of non-standard recreation.

[Dima_Anlim]

to whom are you explaining? Etozh there are such local racers for the rating on the site - they sit for days and wait for a new article, so that they can be the FIRST to blurt out something cheesy and get some pluses. This is how the rating and "rank" on the VO are made.

[otstoy]

Yeah, right now !!! No idiots die in battles with the Turks for Assad's ambitions. Yesterday he himself flooded the Turk, himself and the ogreb.

[D16]

It may seem strange to you, but Assad is still rushing. The offensive is developing successfully, the M5 road from greenery has been cleared. There are 5 kilometers left to Idlib (city). That breakthrough, about which the author is annoying, was liquidated in 4 hours. The greens are exhausted, but the Turks do not want to go on the offensive yet . Soon, Idlibschina will be left without the Al-Gab Valley and everything that grows there.

[otstoy]

Do not read our pseudo-patriotic newspapers. This has a bad effect on mental thinking. Assad’s attack on Kafr Nuran yesterday was repelled with heavy casualties for the SAA. At the same time, she was knocked out of the only busy Reef Muhandisin-2. Today, the SAA has not made new attempts to attack these points, i.e. learned a lesson.
PS And more. SAA is located from Idlib not at 5 km, but at 9. Over the past week, this distance has not changed. In short, learn the materiel.

[D16]

My dear, you have not looked at the map for a long time . And the numbers and proofs about the losses of the SAA during the reflection of yesterday’s attack will be?

[otstoy]

Yes, they are voiced: the loss of CAA 55 people and 4 units of armored vehicles.
Just advise you to look at the map for today. Kafr Nuran and Reef Muhandisin-2 are under the control of the opposition. Do not confuse with Reef Muhandisin-1, which is east of today and is occupied by CAA.

[D16]

Nothing. Muhadisin 1 was taken, base 46 of the regiment was almost taken, Muhadisin 2 will also be taken. Kafr Nuran does not seem to be a priority yet. Come in, come out. Tigers do this all the time. But Kafr Jum was freed. Bag disposal is more important. About losses where can I read?

[otstoy]

https://iz.ru/975620/2020-02-13/v-turtcii-soobshchili-o-neitralizatcii-55-siriiskikh-voennykh-v-idlibe?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews

[D16]

No, well, these can ... Erdogan, after shelling the convoy at the Ferris wheel, announced the destruction of 100+ CAA objects and "neutralized" 140+ CAA representatives. Only the Syrians know about these losses? It's me from memory, if that. By the way, according to Hezbollah’s unconfirmed reports, Muhandisin 2 was released. So people work

[otstoy]

The networks have photos and video confirmations. Including destroyed equipment. Everything is given on the green pages, which I am not ready to voice here, so that they do not come up with questions.

[D16]

Did not see. But I think this is a lie. And the fact that Muhandisin 2 has already taken the truth. So your theory about the run out of agreements is crap.

[otstoy]

I did not argue that there is a strict ban on taking the Reef Muhandisin-2, because it lies further than 12 km from Turkish communication. Rather, the Turks slowed down the SAA only before the construction of their fortified area. But in Kafr Nuran, the SAA no longer pops up.

[D16]

Yeah, right now !!! No idiots die in battles with the Turks for Assad's ambitions. Yesterday he himself flooded the Turk himself and the ogreb. (C)

But in Kafr Nuran, the SAA no longer pops up.

No at this point. We’ll see closer to summer. I think the mountain reserve will be left. Only the Turks will have to support it. Themselves evil Pinocchio. Wanted your Crimea, get .

[otstoy]

I think the mountain reserve will be left.

I am sure that they will leave, because this is the basic condition of the sultan. There are 2.5 million irreconcilable Sunnis in Idlib, of which 100 thousand are jihadists. Assad and Erdogan do not need them on their territory. Therefore, the SAA will take western Aleppo, and the remains of Hama, Idlib, Aleppo and Latakia will be fenced in a huge pen, where the herd will independently live for the next 10-15 years.

[D16]

At the expense of 100 thousand jihadists you got excited. If they were, there would not be such a situation in the west of Aleppo. But overall, yes. Sooner or later, they will again start fighting under Turkish leadership and this will lead to a final solution to the Idlib issue.

[Dima_Anlim]

Popper where? Is it not in its own country, and is it not against the invaders from a country that no one has called there?

[otstoy]

Probably against the invaders. However, if you yourself are not able to drive out the invaders and hope for a big uncle, then it is useful to listen to the words of uncle. And Uncle Assad transparently advised against climbing.

[Karaul73]

Smarter not come up with anything? This is war. Does Russia need it?

[Dima_Anlim]

It's amazing - you dashed off a line with logic and utility at the level of a 12-year-old, but the first one got you some pluses too. Nothing useful and smart - but the rating on the VO is growing .... That's the whole value of the rating and "titles" on the VO.

[IgorIP]

Who should?

[Uran53]

And Russia is all in politics with "partners". Damn knights!

[ultra]

Quote: Uran53

And Russia is all in politics with "partners". Damn knights!

There have not been and will not be any polites with the Turks. So what they say at the official level is one thing, but what we are doing in reality is now being observed.

[Fat]

Quote: Uran53

And Russia is all in politics with "partners". Damn knights!

Yes it is ... Often I regret it.
Now the slogan "Decency is not a profession" rules. No need to slide down to cat's interests, such as put tags. The Turks will deal with the Syrians, or vice versa, it doesn't matter. It is desirable that the mediation remain under Russian control. It is important

[otstoy]

Because Turkey is our major partner, and Syria is still a large parasite.

[Grandfather Crimea]

Everything is lost, everything is lost)))))))

[Incvizitor]

And 41 years is provided.

You have already wanted to be in Novorosiya for 41 years, but your whole "Blitzkrieg" has been crumbled in boilers.

[Vladimir_2U]

So it was worth it in the Kurdish areas with the Turks side by side to patrol?

[Loess]

It can be said that Turkish President Recep Erdogan crossed the "Syrian Rubicon"

I did not wait for the end of the month. Looks very hot. Or the states promised something.

[Livonetc]

What is the range of Turkish multiple launch rocket systems?

[Oquzyurd]

TR-122 Sakarya fires at 40 km. SR-122 at 20 km.

[ultra]

Their MLRS are actually clones of "grads", respectively, the range, depending on the type of ammunition, from 20 to 40 km.

[Altai72]

"Kasırga T-300" 250-300 km.

[Fat]

Difficult, everything is oriental, I would say "delicate matter" (C)
No confrontation on the Idlib field is beneficial to anyone except anti-Assad militants. GK has a head, let them think, and Nikola to help, so that without mistakes.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Thick

Difficult, everything is oriental, I would say "delicate matter" (C)
No confrontation on the Idlib field is beneficial to anyone except anti-Assad militants. GK has a head, let them think, and Nikola to help, so that without mistakes.

What complexity is that? When the militants were taken to Idlib, many were happy, well, well, Turkey vouches for them. Now the world, fraternity (with the Turks), chewing gum and all that. And again, they argued and did not agree with me. When I wrote that Idlib is a trap for us and a sword over Assad’s head. Because now, being under the umbrella of Turkey, the militants will be able to build up forces, rearm and attack at a favorable moment. And that in Idlib they are engaged in their training, recruitment, and armament not at all for what would then be so easily merged. They invested money and time!
And I don’t know how to keep Assad, if Erdogan, having bitten a bit, has also collapsed with all the might of the Turkish army. It is enough for Erdogan to grind the last combat-ready parts of Assad in Idlib and everything will collapse. The militants will finish the rest themselves, already in the rest of Syria.

PS I'm not in favor of Turkey, and I’m not speaking from the position of sympathy of Syria, namely, from the position of the real situation in Syria!

[ultra]

And I think that Idlib is a trap for Erdogan, he is so predictable.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: ultra

And I think that Idlib is a trap for Erdogan, he is so predictable.

I would agree with you if the Syrian army were stronger than the Turkish army. Wait and see.

[Fat]

Quote: Leshy1975

I do not speak for Turkey, and I’m not speaking from the position of sympathy of Syria, namely, from the position of the real situation in Syria!

I’ll be brief ... Will you swear to those close that THIS news does not correspond to Internet reality, but to fact?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Thick

Quote: Leshy1975

I do not speak for Turkey, and I’m not speaking from the position of sympathy of Syria, namely, from the position of the real situation in Syria!

I’ll be brief ... Will you swear to those close that THIS news does not correspond to Internet reality, but to fact?

This is let the site moderators swear. I, like everything here that I read, then discuss. And when I bring some news to the site or refer, I have the habit of indicating the source of information.

And about my old forecast that Idlib is a trap and a sword, then yes, I can confirm it. Surely in the history of comments this remains. And while I do not change my opinion on this issue.

[protoss]

but for this, a constitutional committee was needed to steer from war to peace, maybe even at the cost of Assad's retirement. but our ward decided that he was powerful and invincible, and failed all attempts of the committee.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

I'm afraid that you may be close to the true. Syrians already suffer heavy losses and the entry of Turks into the conflict openly can turn the tide with unpredictable consequences.

[D16]

Idlib is a trap for us and a sword above Assad’s head.

From this sword soon one pen will remain. In the form of mountains and foothills. Especially for the black and green zoo

And I don’t know how to keep Assad, if Erdogan, having bitten a bit, has also collapsed with all the might of the Turkish army. It is enough for Erdogan to grind the last combat-ready parts of Assad in Idlib and everything will collapse.

Well yes. Perhaps this is why the Turks again started talking about negotiations and promises to nail Nusra :
Turkish Defense Minister:
We will send additional reinforcements to Idlib to stabilize the ceasefire and make it sustainable. "And we will take control of the area.
-We will use force and take measures against all, including radicals, who violate the ceasefire .

[Leshy1975]

Quote: D16

Idlib is a trap for us and a sword above Assad’s head.

From this sword soon one pen will remain. In the form of mountains and foothills. Especially for the black and green zoo

And I don’t know how to keep Assad, if Erdogan, having bitten a bit, has also collapsed with all the might of the Turkish army. It is enough for Erdogan to grind the last combat-ready parts of Assad in Idlib and everything will collapse.

Well yes. Perhaps this is why the Turks again started talking about negotiations and promises to nail Nusra :
Turkish Defense Minister:
We will send additional reinforcements to Idlib to stabilize the ceasefire and make it sustainable. "And we will take control of the area.
-We will use force and take measures against all, including radicals, who violate the ceasefire .

I do not mind if the Syrians can win. Even more, I will only be glad, I sympathize with them much more than the Turks. Assad, so generally a man. But so far my forecast is as follows. But am I right, time will tell.

[D16]

I do not mind if the Syrians can defeat

And they win without your blessing. You can say: On Line .

[Xenofont]

It’s not clear where the infa about the breakthrough comes from. On updated resources every minute, there is nothing like this yet.
https://syria.liveuamap.com/

[Nastia makarova]

no breakthrough, there is news about the attack

[Xenofont]

This attack was a day ago. The result is not known. There are no occupied territories. But the army pushed the devils away from the M5 in the area south of Aleppo.

[Tank jacket]

Intuition tells me that the situation will be resolved in favor of Assad and, to a greater extent, the Russian Federation.

[protoss]

Register lively at online casinos, get rich with such intuition.

[Tank jacket]

Providence is not algebra. The human mind, according to a popular expression, is not a prophet, but a guesser, he sees the general course of things and can infer from it deep assumptions, often justified by time, but it is impossible for him to foresee a case - a powerful instant tool of Providence.
(Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin)
PS
As soon as you enter the casino you have already lost.

[Vasyan1971]

Well. Is it really starting?

[Guru]

The situation at the moment is THIN. I think "Tochka" zhahnut, it will be an overkill, but "Solsepek" is just right.

[Guru]

Bulletin of Mordovia reports- https://vestnik-rm.ru/news/oborona-i-bezopasnost/sirijskie-rszo-uragan-i-smerch-vzyali-na-pricel-tureckie-vojska?utm_source=warfiles.ru

Syrian MLRS "Uragan" and "Smerch" took aim at Turkish troops

The sun would be better

[Dikson]

The Turks will not calm down .. In addition, they threatened to bring down everything over Idlib .. and they do not need to slow down the Syrian express in the Bosphorus. They will also succeed in squeezing our aircraft in Khmeimim if such a mahach goes ... It's sad. With such Turkish support, the barmalei will roll out the Asadites .. They played a game of friendship and partnership ..

[Incvizitor]

In the late 70s, Turkey announced that it was considering closing the passage through the Bosphorus to the Mediterranean for the warships of the Soviet Union. This statement was made by Comrade Gromyko Andrei Andreyevich (USSR Foreign Minister from 1957 to 1985) at an American White House cocktail reporters that for a passage in the Mediterranean the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR will need only a couple of volleys of missiles. As a result of this, in addition to the Bosphorus, two more passages will appear in the Mediterranean, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul. After these words, Turkey never again raised the issue of closing the Bosphorus to the warships of the USSR.

[Lord of the Sith]

It's time to go on stage with our VKS))

If you beat this husk, they will calm down for a long time, already verified.

[FORCE 38GB]

Better to go on stage with our Strategic Rocket Forces !!! And the straits will be open, and the influence in the Black Sea will increase, and the Turks will live a little in the Stone Age .. Why is this eastern Sushera so sure that Our Russia will not burst patience, I don’t understand ... After all, if it burst, then from Istanbul and Ankara only photos for memory on the Internet will remain ...

[Lord of the Sith]

Rave. The Strategic Rocket Forces is an ace; they are not used against the husks.

[protoss]

roll out the death star from the hangar, emperor.

[Lord of the Sith]

Roll out the mother ship, protoss))

[Alex Nevs]

Better immediately "Call KRAKEN"

[Technologist]

Quote: IvanT

There is such a concept as "unacceptable losses", 20-25 planes will fall and the parties sit down at the negotiating table. Amers have a loss of one AUG.

And who will give the team?)))

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

I think that a throw to Pristina should not be expected

[Mik1701]

Sometimes it seems that the distant Middle Eastern in every respect
,, comrades ,, closer than their Slavs ..

[gmb]

Piquey vests were given a topic and they are discussing it

[askort154]

It turns out that Erdogan completely violated the Sochi agreement -
ousting of Kurds from the border zone and its joint patrolling. The Turks stopped patrolling. We don’t need to bomb anyone, like many on the site. We just need to - return the Kurds back, providing them with weapons, and Assad give consent to the autonomy of the Kurds in Syria. Kurds are the eternal Achilles heel of Turkey.
We do not need to fight with Turkey, we just need to fully play the Kurdish card in Syria, Iraq, and in Turkey itself. Erdogan's ambitions to become the Sultan in the BV will evaporate. Even if we simply voice such a "plot" to Erdogan, his "belligerence" will be blown away. Russia.
now more credibility in BV than in Turkey.

[V1er]

I also recently proposed the same, but they threw me cons. There are a lot of proturethral commentators here.

[The popuas]

Kurds under the Americans want, so it is unlikely.

[Guru]

Well now, in fact, we have two trump cards. This is Libya and the Kurds. It’s troublesome with the Kurds, but in Libya, for the Saudi’s money, Erdogan can be spoiled by nerves.

[faterdom]

The task now is not to punish Erdogan, and not to defeat everyone urgently ... But to solve this problem: not to give the M5 way to the barmaley, and make them suffer heavy daily losses there.
Anything - remote mining, a sharp increase in air defense, and the urgent creation of a system of defensive systems (fortifications, communications and fire maneuvers). Artillery cover of the front edge. Separation of defense.
Without a road, the value of the areas held by the militants is reduced by an order of magnitude - they are forced to attack. The Turks will not attack themselves for anything. And if a lot of "moderate oppositionists" are exterminated at this point, the issue will resolve with Turkey too.

[Nastia makarova]

that's right, you said it right, and then the trolls came running and squeaked that everything was gone

[Grandfather Crimea]

One woman with a scythe said so, "Everything is gone ...."))))))))

[Nastia makarova]

And then what happened?

[Karacupa]

Here it is the whole essence of the Turks, I got a smile on the gas, I got the S-400 .. Doesn’t Russia need any more?

[rosomaha]

jackals ... they tear Syria and tear it from all sides. In the north, Turks, in the west, Americans from the south of Israel march around. And all these jackals are known to snatch or knock out the main resources. In small steps, but moving forward. And we are looking at it all! We went to Syria to protect the country from collapse and the fight against terrorism on distant frontiers. The price for this is Syrian oil ... Syria’s resources are ours. And Syria is our ally. Its territory is the potential of our bases for controlling the region. To the Turks, we sell weapons that they use against our main ally in the region ... and not an hour and against us.

[otstoy]

I understand you, that we went to Syria for resources? Why then the rest of the big words?

[parusnik]

But, Russia and Turkey are brothers forever .. Many times he wrote that from friendship with the Turks, do not expect good ... except for vacuum cleaners ...

[Karen]

Quote: parusnik

But, Russia and Turkey are brothers forever ..

A week ago, I wrote that Turkey had a reliable Kremlin kibbutz ... behind me they blasted me a record :)

[gel]

They urgently need to promise Zircons to deliver. ...

[7,62x54]

Until a full-fledged conflict erupts, one must have time to transfer C400, SU57 technologies to a friend of Erdo, and pump more gas.

[boss]

a hundred 72, 10 Pinocchio and hyacinth them in the drawbar

[Xomaik]

Turkish army strikes at militants and Syrian army receives