Turkey sent special forces to Idlib province

Turkey has deployed special forces to the area of ​​its observation posts in the idlib de-escalation zone. This was reported by the Turkish media with reference to the Turkish Ministry of Defense.

According to the data provided news agency Anadolu, armored vehicles with special forces (mainly armored personnel carriers) from various parts of Turkey are transferred to Syria through the Reyhanli region of Hatay province. The multiple launch rocket systems deployed to the Turkish-Syrian border are deployed at positions along the border.

Meanwhile, the United States once again ruled out the involvement of the US military in the conflict in Idlib province on the side of Turkey. According to the official special representative of the US State Department for Syria, James Jeffrey, Washington can assist Ankara with intelligence and military equipment supplies.

The United States is currently considering options for assisting Turkey in Idlib within the framework of NATO, the transfer of intelligence and supply of military equipment to the Turkish military is of paramount importance. So far, we are not talking about reinforcements in the form of sending the American military to the conflict zone

- he said.

In turn, the Kremlin said that is a current time is not observed direct US intervention in the conflict in the province of Idlib in Syria.

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[figwam]

The US is currently considering options for helping Turkey in Idlib within NATO

How can it be without peppers?

[Sergey39]

The United States is quietly encouraging Erdogan, but does not interfere. They are waiting for when and who will be the first to hit the "partner" - Turkey or Russia.

[dorz]

Turkey tried to take advantage of a convenient moment in the civil war for power capture - i.e. occupation - parts of the adjacent territory for the formation there, ideally, of a separate buffer state controlled by it, in the worst case, an analogue of the Afghan or Iraqi Tribal Zone - a special territory that does not submit to Damascus, but is controlled by Ankara.

But the plan fell apart. The Syrian army has managed to find enough strength to stabilize the situation in the rest of the country and begin active operations to clear Idlib. Barmaley from the "rebel formations" predictably cannot hold their positions. And the Turks, who have the status of just observers of the ceasefire, do not have sufficient right to get involved in a full-scale battle themselves.

The result was a serious impasse. The 12 thousand Turkish forces already introduced into the disputed zone are certainly not enough for complete control over it. But even abandoning everything after the two Turkish "peacekeeping" operations declared successful is fraught with very serious internal political problems for the stability of Erdogan's own power.

Because of what, official Turkey is forced to go on principle, relying on escalation. Over the past two weeks, the Turkish army deployed about 1000 units of armored vehicles, including at least 300 tanks, into the disputed territory of Syria. Bringing their number there to 700 cars. Also, at least three mechanized infantry brigades are entering the conflict zone.

On the other hand, the very first major skirmishes with CAA resulted in unexpectedly high losses. For a week, the Syrians knocked out from the Turks 5 to 8 tanks, at least 3 armored personnel carriers and (according to unconfirmed reports) one self-propelled gun battery. Ankara’s hysterical appeal for help to NATO did not find understanding in the Alliance. Attempts to use combat aircraft have already been twice blocked by airplanes of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which successfully prevented the Turks from entering Syrian airspace. And without air support, even the Turkish army on land, as it turned out, had no chance of victory. Or Erdogan will have to declare war on Syria officially and start mass mobilization at home.

In general, a dead end, the key to which holds Moscow. Here Erdogan is trying to somehow "negotiate" with her. Bluffing with the willingness to alternatively go to large-scale hostilities. But most likely he will get "you won't get off with tomatoes." By the way, the Russian customs has already notified Ankara that it has chosen the agreed quota of 170 thousand tons of tomatoes and may not try to import them into the Russian Federation this year.. And without the permission of Moscow, albeit not very quickly, however, the Turks will still have to retreat from the occupied Syrian territories. With all the ensuing negative consequences for Erdogan personally.

Source: TG Channel

[sagitch]

Your words, yes to God’s ears.

[Aaron Zawi]

And not only special forces.

[Livonetc]

Aron.
Is this the movement of machinery in Turkey?
The article states that the multiple launch rocket systems deployed to the border are deployed at positions along the border.
And the special forces were transferred precisely to the territory of Syria.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Livonetc

Aron.
Is this the movement of machinery in Turkey?
The article states that the multiple launch rocket systems deployed to the border are deployed at positions along the border.
And the special forces were transferred precisely to the territory of Syria.

It seems already in the territory of Afrin.

[flicker]

How can it be without peppers?

Well, for them now the most important thing is that the Sultan does not jump off the hook of the war, as the last time he shot down an airplane. Then he urgently convened NATO, in the hope (and they assured him even before the plane was shot down that NATO would help) for help, NATO said that it was a Russian-Turkish grater. Erdogan realized that he had been thrown (used to being the only one who could throw him), asked for forgiveness from Russia, and thereby showed the cookie to the geldings.
Now the geldings will take into account their mistakes (they ainul Erdogan too early the last time, wait for real military operations, and only then they will throw the Sultan).
That's all I think, really Sultan last lesson did not go for the future? And if so, why?
It seems to me, relatively speaking, that we proposed to Erdogan to become Ataturk - to develop within his own borders. And the geldings offered to become Sultan Suleiman. The offer of geldings, apparently larger than Erdogan's pillow.
In general, we must pay tribute to the geldings and their Jewish consultants, they selected the psychotype of the head of neo-Ottoman Turkey (the one who will drive Turkey to its end, simultaneously bleeding everything) very well.

[Chervonny]

Erdogan has gone very far in every sense. As a result, all his actions can lead Turkey to a deplorable outcome due to Erdogan's adventures.

[flicker]

because of Erdogan’s adventures.

Quite right, because of adventures. It is a modern neo-Ottoman project, there is an American product and an appropriate contractor is needed to implement this project. Well, Ataturk would not implement this project, as he understood its consequences for Turkey, which means that an antipode of Ataturk is needed. And they found him - Erdogan. This one will not be pushed, but will drive the "neo-Ottoman horses" into battle, just like Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent (the film, it seems, was not in vain to shoot - to give the Turks a drive, so that they thought less and dreamed more). So they rushed off into another adventure.

[Nastia makarova]

before that, ordinary soldiers sat at the posts?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

before that, ordinary soldiers sat at the posts?

Good day Nastya. This means that Turkey is preparing to get involved in a serious way.
And remember our dialogue with you on achieving victory in Syria and what can be considered a victory in general. The old opponents are not defeated, but new ones appear, stronger than the previous ones. Here is such a "victory" in reality.

[Nastia makarova]

victory was already !!! Now if we can fix what we have done in idlib, there will be another victory

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

victory was already !!! Now if we can fix what we have done in idlib, there will be another victory

Nastya, victory cannot be in the wording - it was. Otherwise, I’ll ask, where did it go? And there can be one more. Otherwise, how many are there then?
Or the Reichtag is taken and the surrender is signed. Well, or as in the Czech Republic, the entire territory is under control, state. authorities operate normally throughout the territory, and people live a peaceful life. This is it Victory is the achievement of stated political goals. One, big, common.
And in your interpretation of the victory, which was, there was only the smallest detail - to defeat in Idlib, for a start, Turkey. Why to start? Because the United States promises not to send its soldiers to Idlib, however, few expect this. But they do not promise not to inflict air strikes, which is exactly what can be expected. Answer yourself (I need) what forces you are going to defeat Turkey to begin with. Good luck, Nastya.

[Nastia makarova]

1. victory is local. in a war there may be 100
2. Turkey no one is going to win
3. someone instructed you minuses)))

[maidan.izrailovich]

no one is going to win Turkey

Not going to .... however, Turkey itself begs.

[Nastia makarova]

begs but ends with a new idlib agreement

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

1. victory is local. in a war there may be 100
2. Turkey no one is going to win
3. someone instructed you minuses)))

You have a logical error Nastya. If in your opinion

no one is going to win Turkey

then you never you cannot even achieve complete victory by celebrating local victories at least 120 times. After taking every village or intersection or something. Quantity, in this case, does not replace quality.
Syria is still occupied - this is a fact.
As long as there is occupation, there can be no victory - this is a fact. In vain you rest.

PS I do not write for the pros or cons, at least how many of them will instruct me. I have my point of view and logically uphold it exactly until someone else, again logically, reinforcing the arguments with examples (for example: Syria is still occupied - this is a fact.) Does not convince me of the opposite. I want to get critical thinking from as many participants of the VO site as possible, and not earn pluses.

[Nastia makarova]

slowly squeezed out until complete victory still a lot of time is needed, I will not argue with you !!! we will rejoice in local victories

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

1.
3. someone instructed you minuses)))

To you too :)
You are too serious about the minuses, most of them do not care

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

victory was already !!! Now if we can fix what we have done in idlib, there will be another victory

And what was this victory?

Red dot. Controlled by the Syrian Arab Republic CAA and Allies
Green dot. Controlled by the Provisional Government of Syria SNA and Allies
Yellow dot. Controlled by the Federation of Northern Syria SDF Syrian Democratic Forces.
Black dot. Controlled by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS)

[Nastia makarova]

what is the igil in the center ????

[Nastia makarova]

you have an old map
https://syria.liveuamap.com/ru

[Vitaly gusin]

Red dot. Controlled by the Syrian Arab Republic CAA and Allies
Green dot. Controlled by the Provisional Government of Syria SNA and Allies
Yellow dot. Controlled by the Federation of Northern Syria SDF Syrian Democratic Forces.
Black dot. Controlled by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS)

[Vitaly Orlov]

This is not a new strong enemy, but the old one, which is behind those terrorist organizations which were knocked out from all over Syria and taken to Idlib, and now they will finish it too, since the Syrians are fighting on their land, and the Turks will die on a stranger, and it will be like with Chechnya, then they also said that it is impossible to restore order, and there will be a victory, Ukraine also caught a lot of equipment, so what? And here the army is regular with the aviation of the Russian Federation and you don’t have to hide behind a PMC mask like in Ukraine. The Turks will go on the attack on the defense of the Syrians and burn all the equipment with the Pturms, since the Turks do not have such experience to storm the cities like the Syrians

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Vitaly Orlov

This is not a new strong enemy, but the old one, which is behind those terrorist organizations which were knocked out from all over Syria and taken to Idlib, and now they will finish it too, since the Syrians are fighting on their land, and the Turks will die on a stranger, and it will be like with Chechnya, then they also said that it is impossible to restore order, and there will be a victory, Ukraine also caught a lot of equipment, so what? And here the army is regular with the aviation of the Russian Federation and you don’t have to hide behind a PMC mask like in Ukraine. The Turks will go on the attack on the defense of the Syrians and burn all the equipment with the Pturms, since the Turks do not have such experience to storm the cities like the Syrians

Well, wait and see how it will be possible to defeat Turkey. I still do not see such forces in Syria. Time will tell who was right.

[ML-334]

In order to die need motivation, what is the motivation of the Turks? For the happiness of barmoleev or what? When the real blood begins to pour, all the show-offs will end.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: ML-334

In order to die need motivation, what is the motivation of the Turks? For the happiness of barmoleev or what? When the real blood begins to pour, all the show-offs will end.

Idlib - a zone of residence of Turkoman. They are barmalei for us, for Turks they are kindred people. No need to try to judge the enemy using your picture of the world. The enemy may have its own logic, even if we don’t like it.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Leshy1975

The enemy may have its own logic, even if we don’t like it

Hitler so do not start to justify ???

Quote: Leshy1975

Idlib - a zone of residence of Turkoman. They are barmalei for us, for Turks they are kindred people. No need to try to judge the enemy using your picture of the world.

Is it possible that so many years of observing the Syrian conflict did not allow you to understand that there is practically all "opposition" there - terrorists or bandits ?? Whoever represented something adequate from himself, he has long since entered Russia and, through her mediation, reached an agreement with the Syrian government .. and already even hollows out your "oppositionists" !!!

[Nastia makarova]

all right !!!! only the Turks won’t go anywhere, there was infa that now there’s an idlib new agreement securing the success of the recent CAA offensive

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Vitaly Orlov

PMC as in Ukraine.

in fairness, there’s definitely no PMC on the part of LDNR !!!

[JonnyT]

So they didn’t take them out of there, you think the FSB officers who killed us - a hodgepodge of Turks from the MTR mixed with nusra

[Nastia makarova]

then you need to mix with nusra and earth))))))

[Tank jacket]

The United States silently transfer supporters of Gulen to Turkey

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Tank jacket

The United States silently transfer supporters of Gulen to Turkey

this time ours will not warn !!! it will still be possible for the "Turkish" Kurds to help them go to war with the perdogan's ginger !!

[Tank jacket]

Nicholas, there is a saying about Erdogan: "Life hangs on a thread, but thinks about profit."

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Tank jacket

Nicholas, there is a saying about Erdogan: "Life hangs on a thread, but thinks about profit."

daaaaaaa ... this ram is still dreaming of an empire that didn’t give up to anyone around (and to hell) !!!

[Vita vko]

within NATO, the transfer of intelligence to the Turkish military is of paramount importance

Now the United States will try by all available methods to push into Russian and Turkish units in Syria. It is a pity that Erdogan does not see obvious threats behind his ambitions. Last time he not only got off with tomatoes, but also found himself in a significant economic +.

[Graz]

locals must shoot at Turks in any convenient situation, sabotage detachments must be created, ours could train them and quickly open the near rear of the Turks with quick raids

[Galleon]

Dear, your mistake crept in: not Turks - Turks. The Turk leans in the same way as the words of a soldier and a cadet.

[anjey]

Meanwhile, the US once again ruled out the involvement of the US military in the conflict in Idlib province on the side of Turkey

And behind the broad Ottoman backs, the little hands are rubbing their content, they have escalated and they have driven in a wedge, I hope until recently that the Sultan has a head and not a pumpkin on his shoulders ....

[friend of animals]

Turks always got along with igil, annusra and other smaller jihadists. Recruits, trade, financing, treatment and recreation. In fact, Turkey (Erdogan) is the main accomplice of terrorists in Syria. But everyone turns a blind eye to this, as well as to the countries that helped jihadists in general. Also, everyone does not care about the number of interventionists in Syria. If you act in principle, then the Turks must also be bombed, because they crossed all reasonable borders in Syria. But the reality is ugly, and Russia cannot afford it because of economic ties and insufficient forces in the region. So the opinion of the Turks will be taken into account, and the military operation will obviously be slowed down.

[Cowbra]

Will not help. The Turks have two choices - either a full-fledged entry of troops - and this is an official war with Syria, or a withdrawal from Syria. 12 thousand plus half a spoonful of special forces for that. to fully control the province - not enough. The calculation was that the Syrians did not have enough strength to clean Idlib of the Barmaley - but it was enough. Now the Turks are at an impasse - it is impossible to interfere directly - they have the status of "observers", Syria demonstratively does not need their help - while cleaning up the province, one cannot leave either - the opposition will devour.
Zugzwang

[Dimy4]

Washington may assist Ankara with intelligence and military equipment supplies.

Figuratively speaking with a gasoline can help with matches to burn better.

[Sailor]

That's great, maybe ours will be evened for their dead comrades.

[askort154]

Erdogan "rebelled" against Putin after he did not support him on the Libyan issue. Erdogan began to transfer his armed forces there, and the entire "gathering" in Europe, decided - only peace agreements between the parties and sanctions will be introduced for the suppliers of weapons and military force to Libya.
Having received a bummer in Libya, Erdogan climbed into Idlib.
He did not get a single victory, which he loudly promised from the rostrum in parliament. Assad is not displaced, the issue with the Kurds is frozen, it did not work to enter Libya.
Now Erdogan is like a rat in a corner.

[flicker]

We can say that Turkey has laid out almost all its trump cards. And nothing.
And we have not even started yet.

[Lamata]

Here, Erdlgan cried to his big brother, and on you a sultash cookie.

[sagitch]

Have you forgotten what flow of oil tankers went to Turkey, and back "humanitarian aid"?
5 years later. The son of Erdogan, the loot is over.

[agond]

In the event of aggravation of the conflict between us and the Turks in Syria, Turkey will remind us of the Bosphorus

[Xomaik]

Why do Americans constantly climb